WEBVTT 00:03.833 --> 00:04.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - We 00:05.733 --> 00:06.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We 00:08.600 --> 00:09.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We over... 00:09.600 --> 00:10.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We are... We're... 00:10.833 --> 00:13.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We overcome... We are... 00:13.166 --> 00:15.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We are in whole wide, whole wide. 00:15.433 --> 00:18.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We are deep in... We are deep, overcome 00:18.333 --> 00:21.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% There was all this debate about page versus stage 00:21.100 --> 00:26.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and I was always thinking to myself, well, why can't... 00:27.333 --> 00:28.566 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Why does it have to be one or the other? 00:28.566 --> 00:31.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% What happens if we turn the page into a stage? 00:31.666 --> 00:35.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Someday, someday, some day... 00:35.366 --> 00:38.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We, we are over... We are, we are... 00:38.366 --> 00:40.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Is this what the wanted unwanted don't want. 00:40.733 --> 00:42.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We are over... Some day... 00:42.066 --> 00:44.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Oh, deep we are overcome... 00:44.000 --> 00:45.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Aye! we are over... 00:45.233 --> 00:47.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Someday, someday... 00:47.200 --> 00:49.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Ain't, what? Someday, ain't... 00:49.666 --> 00:53.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Any designed piece of text that you read, 00:53.233 --> 00:55.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% whether it looks conventional or not, 00:55.033 --> 00:58.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% is self-consciously sort of scoring something. 00:58.700 --> 01:00.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It's telling you how to read it. 01:00.066 --> 01:02.666 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% All over... Someday, someday, someday... 01:02.666 --> 01:04.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Walloped up into dream upended 01:04.333 --> 01:06.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and marched into houndstooth of knit elbows 01:06.633 --> 01:08.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or garden of a million clenched buds, 01:08.833 --> 01:11.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the doubled vox redouble into synced redoubt 01:11.000 --> 01:13.833 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and sinks into that old silencing rite. 01:13.833 --> 01:15.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Shh, some... We are... 01:15.300 --> 01:17.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Shh, what? Shh. 01:17.433 --> 01:18.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I am, shh... (indistinct) 01:18.766 --> 01:20.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I wanted to have the same sort of effect 01:20.466 --> 01:22.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that I feel when I'm listening to a rap song 01:22.600 --> 01:25.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that samples a vocal line underneath the rap 01:25.133 --> 01:26.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that's being said, 01:26.633 --> 01:28.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or like people talking me over each other at a barbershop. 01:28.933 --> 01:31.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Black lives matter. 01:33.400 --> 01:35.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So I wanted simultaneity. 01:35.633 --> 01:37.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And so that led me to doing this work 01:37.933 --> 01:39.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that I've been calling performative typography. 01:39.800 --> 01:41.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Bow wow, shh, shh. 01:41.500 --> 01:44.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I can't. Shh, shh. 01:45.766 --> 01:49.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Hashtag Black Lives Stutter. Shh, shh, shh. 01:49.500 --> 01:51.900 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% What we want is to not be your what's unwanted, 01:51.900 --> 01:53.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% your whats or your un... 01:53.766 --> 01:56.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We want what's what to be unyours. 01:56.000 --> 02:00.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% We want you to won't what your want to want. Shh, shh, shh. 02:00.233 --> 02:03.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I can't. Shh, shh. 02:03.133 --> 02:05.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Bow wow says the dog. Shh, shh. 02:05.466 --> 02:08.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Day and night policeman work. Shh, shh. 02:08.866 --> 02:11.700 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Fireman points the water. Shh, shh. 02:11.700 --> 02:13.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Bow wow, says the... Bow wow, says the... 02:13.400 --> 02:18.500 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Bow wow... Why won't you shh? 02:23.366 --> 02:25.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% (calm music) 02:27.000 --> 02:30.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It was the summer of 2021, I think, 02:30.200 --> 02:33.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that I received my diagnosis, you know, 02:33.633 --> 02:36.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I got my papers for ADHD. 02:36.466 --> 02:39.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% At that point, I began to think about 02:39.233 --> 02:41.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% how so often in my work 02:41.400 --> 02:44.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I was trying to break a sort of linearity. 02:44.466 --> 02:47.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I was trying to work in a way that I would describe 02:47.966 --> 02:51.233 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% as almost kind of fractal, where if you tell somebody, 02:51.233 --> 02:53.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you can read this poem any way you want to, 02:53.366 --> 02:55.133 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but you're still basically saying, 02:55.133 --> 02:56.866 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% start at the left top corner 02:56.866 --> 02:58.733 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and end of the bottom right corner, 02:58.733 --> 03:03.300 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% you're actually still having a normative reading, right? 03:03.300 --> 03:04.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% You've just sort of jazzed it up. 03:04.433 --> 03:06.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And I wanted to create something 03:06.033 --> 03:09.400 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that felt really like what I was believing 03:09.400 --> 03:13.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and wanting readers to be able to experience in my work. 03:13.066 --> 03:17.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% That the stuff on the page looked and sounded closer 03:17.266 --> 03:19.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% to like how I think about it. 03:19.966 --> 03:22.966 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% Like layers, there's just layers. 03:22.966 --> 03:28.066 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% I mean, I was very interested in the way that text looks, 03:28.866 --> 03:30.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% the different sort of artifacts, 03:30.600 --> 03:32.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% different sort of rough edges there. 03:32.266 --> 03:35.200 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And that's when I began using collage techniques. 03:35.200 --> 03:36.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So writing these collage poems 03:36.933 --> 03:42.033 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that allowed me to just literally take pieces of text, 03:43.133 --> 03:44.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% of images, things that I remembered, 03:44.366 --> 03:46.533 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% things from comic books, movie posters, 03:46.533 --> 03:47.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and then overlap them 03:47.933 --> 03:51.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% in a way that reminds me of like a bathroom wall 03:51.366 --> 03:53.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% with graffiti on it, or a graffitied train 03:53.633 --> 03:56.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or dense advertising spaces. 03:56.600 --> 03:58.266 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% That kind of simultaneity 03:59.466 --> 04:02.333 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% also feels more like how I take in the world. 04:03.166 --> 04:05.000 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% So making these poems this way 04:05.000 --> 04:09.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% is a way of saying this is still a poem. 04:10.533 --> 04:12.466 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% It doesn't and may not look like 04:12.466 --> 04:16.366 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% or be structured like someone else's poem, 04:17.800 --> 04:22.633 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% but if certain kinds of poems are reflecting a mind at work, 04:24.100 --> 04:29.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% that's my mind at work, these poems are my mind at work. 04:29.666 --> 04:31.800 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% (calm music) 04:37.766 --> 04:40.166 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% - [Announcer] This program was produced in collaboration 04:40.166 --> 04:41.933 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% with the Center for the Art of Medicine 04:41.933 --> 04:44.433 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% at the University of Minnesota Medical School. 04:44.433 --> 04:47.766 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% And funded by the Minnesota Arts and Cultural Heritage Fund 04:47.766 --> 04:49.600 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% and the citizens of Minnesota. 04:50.500 --> 04:53.100 align:left position:10% line:5% size:80% (calm music)