WEBVTT 00:03.970 --> 00:09.173 align:start >>> WILD LAND FIRES ARE AN 00:09.176 --> 00:09.540 align:start IMPORTANT PART OF RANCHING IN 00:09.543 --> 00:10.241 align:start ARIZONA. 00:10.244 --> 00:11.109 align:start >> IF YOU DON'T BURN IN THIS 00:11.112 --> 00:13.511 align:start COUNTRY, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE 00:13.514 --> 00:14.912 align:start YOUR GRASS OVER TIME. 00:14.915 --> 00:15.279 align:start THAT'S THE WAY THESE GRASSES 00:15.282 --> 00:16.781 align:start EVOLVED. 00:16.784 --> 00:18.750 align:start >> WILDFIRES ARE ALSO IMPORTANT 00:18.753 --> 00:21.185 align:start FOR THE HEALTH OF THE MOUNTAIN. 00:21.188 --> 00:22.387 align:start >> OTHER AREAS WHERE THE 00:22.390 --> 00:24.389 align:start INTENSITY WAS LESS, IT CLEANED 00:24.392 --> 00:28.793 align:start OUT THE SHRUBS UNDERNEATH AND 00:28.796 --> 00:30.395 align:start CREATED OPENINGS HERE AND THERE. 00:30.398 --> 00:31.462 align:start AND LIFE IS BEING RESTORED QUITE 00:31.465 --> 00:34.132 align:start WELL TO THE MOUNTAIN NOW. 00:34.135 --> 00:34.499 align:start >> MANAGING AND RECOVERING FROM 00:34.502 --> 00:52.817 align:start WILDFIRE. 00:52.820 --> 00:53.051 align:start THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." 00:53.054 --> 00:55.119 align:start >>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO 00:55.122 --> 00:55.586 align:start >>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO 00:55.589 --> 00:58.122 align:start "ARIZONA WEEK." 00:58.125 --> 00:59.290 align:start I'M CHRISTOPHER CONOVER IN FORT 00:59.293 --> 01:01.092 align:start LORRAINE RIVERA. 01:01.095 --> 01:02.527 align:start >>> IT'S TIME FOR THE MONSOON IN 01:02.530 --> 01:05.263 align:start ARIZONA AND WHILE THAT BRINGS 01:05.266 --> 01:06.030 align:start PLENTY OF RELIEF, IT ALSO BRINGS 01:06.033 --> 01:09.033 align:start WILD FIRES. 01:09.036 --> 01:10.401 align:start SOME PEOPLE SAY WILDFIRES ARE 01:10.404 --> 01:12.804 align:start BAD, BUT THEY ARE ALSO A GOOD 01:12.807 --> 01:14.238 align:start THING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. 01:14.241 --> 01:15.807 align:start WHETHER YOU'RE UP HERE IN THE 01:15.810 --> 01:16.808 align:start MOUNTAINS OR IN THE GRASSLANDS 01:16.811 --> 01:19.477 align:start OF THE STATE. 01:19.480 --> 01:22.680 align:start AS WE BEGIN THIS WEEK'S LOOK AT 01:22.683 --> 01:23.381 align:start WILDFIRES AND WILDFIRE 01:23.384 --> 01:28.653 align:start MANAGEMENT, LET'S THINK ABOUT 01:28.656 --> 01:29.087 align:start THE ECONOMY, THE FIVE Cs, CATTLE 01:29.090 --> 01:30.922 align:start SPECIFICALLY. 01:30.925 --> 01:33.925 align:start IT COMES TO RAISING CATTLE IN 01:33.928 --> 01:36.227 align:start ARIZONA, FIRE CAN BE VERY 01:36.230 --> 01:36.828 align:start IMPORTANT. 01:36.831 --> 01:37.628 align:start ZACK ZEIGLER EXPLAINS. 01:37.631 --> 01:39.030 align:start >> Reporter: THE GRAZING RIGHTS 01:39.033 --> 01:41.232 align:start FOR SICK MORE RANCH HAS BEEN 01:41.235 --> 01:42.400 align:start HELD BY BILL McDONALD'S FAMILY 01:42.403 --> 01:44.435 align:start FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY. 01:44.438 --> 01:46.237 align:start THE RANCH IS MORE THAN 20,000 01:46.240 --> 01:47.472 align:start ACRES, MOST OF WHICH IS IN 01:47.475 --> 01:49.207 align:start ARIZONA, ABOUT 50 MILES NORTH OF 01:49.210 --> 01:51.542 align:start THE MEXICAN BORDER. 01:51.545 --> 01:53.077 align:start NEARLY A TENTH OF THAT ACREAGE 01:53.080 --> 01:54.946 align:start BURNED IN RECENT FIRES. 01:54.949 --> 01:57.281 align:start >> WELL, THE HOG FIRE I THINK 01:57.284 --> 01:58.950 align:start WAS ABOUT 1350 ACRES. 01:58.953 --> 02:00.918 align:start I GOT SOME STATISTICS ON THAT. 02:00.921 --> 02:03.855 align:start THE OTHER ONE PROBABLY MORE LIKE 02:03.858 --> 02:04.756 align:start 500 ACRES, ON MY ALLOTMENT. 02:04.759 --> 02:06.257 align:start >> Reporter: THE TWO FIRES WERE 02:06.260 --> 02:09.727 align:start STARTED BY LIGHTNING LAST MONTH. 02:09.730 --> 02:11.663 align:start THEY BURNED 14,000 ACRES TOTAL. 02:11.666 --> 02:12.897 align:start McDONALD WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO 02:12.900 --> 02:15.400 align:start LET FIRE CREWS MAN ANT FIRE THAT 02:15.403 --> 02:16.734 align:start BURNED ON HIS LAND. 02:16.737 --> 02:17.669 align:start >> IF YOU DON'T BURN IN THIS 02:17.672 --> 02:18.903 align:start COUNTRY, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE 02:18.906 --> 02:20.405 align:start YOUR GRASS OVER TIME. 02:20.408 --> 02:21.639 align:start >> Reporter: McDONALD'S 02:21.642 --> 02:23.274 align:start PHILOSOPHY ON LETTING CREWS 02:23.277 --> 02:25.109 align:start MANAGE THE FIRE RATHER THAN 02:25.112 --> 02:26.611 align:start EXTINGUISH IT IS PART OF THE 02:26.614 --> 02:30.248 align:start PHILOSOPHY OF THE NON-PROFIT HE 02:30.251 --> 02:32.383 align:start HELPED FORM IN THE EARLY 1990s. 02:32.386 --> 02:34.318 align:start THE GROUP IS MADE UP OF 02:34.321 --> 02:35.687 align:start RANCHERS, ENVIRONMENTALISTS, 02:35.690 --> 02:38.089 align:start ACADEMICS AND OTHERS INTERESTED 02:38.092 --> 02:40.324 align:start IN KEEPING THE LAND IN GOOD 02:40.327 --> 02:44.462 align:start CONDITION. 02:44.465 --> 02:45.129 align:start AT THE TOP OF TOTO-DO LIST IS 02:45.132 --> 02:46.264 align:start WORKING WITH FIRE MANAGERS. 02:46.267 --> 02:48.032 align:start THE GROUP'S WORK WAS SEEN AT 02:48.035 --> 02:49.500 align:start THIS SITE WHERE THE HOG FIRE 02:49.503 --> 02:50.868 align:start BURNED A FEW WEEKS AGO. 02:50.871 --> 02:52.036 align:start >> WHEN WE FOUND OUT WE HAD A 02:52.039 --> 02:54.005 align:start FIRE IN THIS LOCATION, FIRST 02:54.008 --> 02:55.406 align:start THING WE DO IS TRY TO FIGURE OUT 02:55.409 --> 02:57.442 align:start WHO IS GOING TO BE MOST AFFECTED 02:57.445 --> 02:57.709 align:start BY IT AND WHO DO WE NEED TO TALK 02:57.712 --> 02:59.277 align:start TO? 02:59.280 --> 03:03.281 align:start WHO DO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT 03:03.284 --> 03:05.183 align:start THEIR PREFERENCES MIGHT BE? 03:05.186 --> 03:06.718 align:start >> Reporter: THE PERSON THEY 03:06.721 --> 03:07.151 align:start CONTACTED HAPPENED TO BE BILL 03:07.154 --> 03:08.219 align:start McDONE. 03:08.222 --> 03:08.519 align:start AND IN HE SAID LET THE FIRE 03:08.522 --> 03:10.021 align:start BURN. 03:10.024 --> 03:11.689 align:start >> I GOT A CALL FROM THE 03:11.692 --> 03:12.223 align:start DISTRICT AND SAID WHAT WOULD YOU 03:12.226 --> 03:14.459 align:start LIKE DOUS? 03:14.462 --> 03:16.561 align:start I SAID, WELL, I KIND OF LIKE IT 03:16.564 --> 03:19.630 align:start TO BURN, IT'S GOOD PLACE. 03:19.633 --> 03:22.800 align:start BECAUSE IT STARTED ON MY ALLOT.. 03:22.803 --> 03:23.935 align:start AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. 03:23.938 --> 03:26.004 align:start >> Reporter: FIRE MANAGERS 03:26.007 --> 03:26.471 align:start UNDERSTAND WHY McDONALD MADE 03:26.474 --> 03:28.306 align:start THAT A COUPLE. 03:28.309 --> 03:30.341 align:start >> THE EFFECT THE FIRE HAS 03:30.344 --> 03:32.076 align:start MOVING THROUGH THIS COUNTRY IS 03:32.079 --> 03:34.812 align:start TO OPEN UP AND REMOVE SOME OF 03:34.815 --> 03:36.681 align:start THE WOODY SPECIES, THE BRUSH AND 03:36.684 --> 03:40.418 align:start THE SHRUBS, THINGS LIKE THAT, 03:40.421 --> 03:41.252 align:start WHICH ALLOWS GRASS TO COME UP. 03:41.255 --> 03:42.920 align:start >> Reporter: BY THE FALL THIS 03:42.923 --> 03:47.025 align:start BURNED LAND WILL BE MORE 03:47.028 --> 03:47.392 align:start HOSPITABLE TO McDONALD'S 03:47.395 --> 03:48.459 align:start LIVESTOCK. 03:48.462 --> 03:49.394 align:start YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE GREEN, 03:49.397 --> 03:52.730 align:start VERY BRIGHT GREEN AND THEN THE 03:52.733 --> 03:53.398 align:start BROWN IN BETWEEN WHERE IT DIDN'T 03:53.401 --> 03:55.133 align:start ACTUALLY BURN. 03:55.136 --> 03:56.367 align:start >> Reporter: THE SIGHT OF FRESH 03:56.370 --> 03:59.704 align:start GRASS COULD ENCOURAGE MORE 03:59.707 --> 04:00.171 align:start RAMPORS TO ALLOW FIRE TO BURN ON 04:00.174 --> 04:02.106 align:start THEIR LAND. 04:02.109 --> 04:03.741 align:start >> WHEN FOLKS SEE THE EFFECTS AS 04:03.744 --> 04:04.509 align:start A POSITIVE THING RATHER THAN A 04:04.512 --> 04:06.044 align:start NEGATIVE THING THEN THEY ARE 04:06.047 --> 04:07.345 align:start GOING TO BE MORE LIKELY TO WANT 04:07.348 --> 04:08.813 align:start TO WORK WITH US IN HOW WE MANAGE 04:08.816 --> 04:10.114 align:start THESE THINGS IN THE FUTURE. 04:10.117 --> 04:12.283 align:start >> Reporter: IT'S NOT JUST THE 04:12.286 --> 04:13.451 align:start PATCHES BURNED BY THIS SUMMER'S 04:13.454 --> 04:15.553 align:start FIRES THAT STAND AS EVIDENCE FOR 04:15.556 --> 04:18.423 align:start LETTING MANAGED FIREWORK ITS WAY 04:18.426 --> 04:20.124 align:start ACROSS GRAZING LANDS. 04:20.127 --> 04:21.526 align:start THE WORK DONE BY THE GROUP HAS 04:21.529 --> 04:26.831 align:start RESULTED IN SWATHS OF THE AREA 04:26.834 --> 04:27.165 align:start BEING BURNED OVER THE PAST 20 04:27.168 --> 04:27.965 align:start YEARS. 04:27.968 --> 04:29.600 align:start >> FRANKLY, I WAS PROBABLY THE 04:29.603 --> 04:31.002 align:start MOST POSITIVE PERSON AROUND AND 04:31.005 --> 04:33.604 align:start THOUGHT WE WOULD BE LUCKY IF WE 04:33.607 --> 04:34.272 align:start GET A FEW OF THE FIRES OFF. 04:34.275 --> 04:35.907 align:start WE ACTUALLY BURPED SEVERAL 04:35.910 --> 04:37.508 align:start HUNDRED THOUSAND ACRES, BOTH 04:37.511 --> 04:40.611 align:start NATURAL STARTS AND PRESCRIBED 04:40.614 --> 04:41.646 align:start BURNS, SINCE OUR GROUP STARTED. 04:41.649 --> 04:43.581 align:start >> Reporter: THAT'S WHY McGONE 04:43.584 --> 04:44.982 align:start NALD THINKS WON'T BE LONG UNTIL 04:44.985 --> 04:46.551 align:start OTHERS NOTICE, BECAUSE FIRE IS 04:46.554 --> 04:51.322 align:start ALLOWED TO PLAY A ROLL, THE 04:51.325 --> 04:52.824 align:start GRASS IS TRULY GREENER ON HIS 04:52.827 --> 04:55.326 align:start SIDE OF THE FENCE. 04:55.329 --> 04:56.461 align:start JOINING US NOW, MY COLLEAGUE, 04:56.464 --> 04:57.862 align:start ZACK ZEIGLER. 04:57.865 --> 04:59.030 align:start LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS STORY WE 04:59.033 --> 05:01.766 align:start JUST SAW OF YOURS. 05:01.769 --> 05:03.501 align:start WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT THAT WE 05:03.504 --> 05:04.268 align:start GET GRASS LAND FIRE IF THEY WANT 05:04.271 --> 05:07.005 align:start TO MANAGE THEM? 05:07.008 --> 05:07.839 align:start >> THE BIG THING IS IT BASICALLY 05:07.842 --> 05:09.374 align:start FIGHTS BACK SOME OF THE VENLG 05:09.377 --> 05:12.777 align:start TAILINGS, THE WOODIER SPECIES, 05:12.780 --> 05:14.145 align:start STUFF LIKE SHRUBS AND BUSHES. 05:14.148 --> 05:17.949 align:start THEY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER TO 05:17.952 --> 05:19.617 align:start GROW A FEW YEARS TO EXPAND. 05:19.620 --> 05:20.918 align:start FIRE KIND OF NAUSEOUS BACK AND 05:20.921 --> 05:23.621 align:start GRASS IS SO QUICK GROWING, MAYBE 05:23.624 --> 05:24.555 align:start A MONTH OR TWO BEFORE IT STARTS 05:24.558 --> 05:26.190 align:start TO SHOW UP. 05:26.193 --> 05:29.060 align:start THAT'S WHY THERE'S THIS REAL 05:29.063 --> 05:31.696 align:start BENEFIT TO RANCHERS OUT ON THE 05:31.699 --> 05:32.830 align:start MAN AND PUBLIC LANDS TO BURN, 05:32.833 --> 05:38.169 align:start GET RID OF THE BRUSH AND THE 05:38.172 --> 05:40.405 align:start GRASS COME UP BECAUSE THAT'S 05:40.408 --> 05:41.272 align:start BASICALLY WHAT THEY NEED TO KEEP 05:41.275 --> 05:43.574 align:start THEIR COWS GOING. 05:43.577 --> 05:44.742 align:start >> BACK EAST, PRAIRIE FIRES ARE 05:44.745 --> 05:45.943 align:start NATURAL FOR THE SAME REASON. 05:45.946 --> 05:46.944 align:start ARE THEY NATURAL HERE IN 05:46.947 --> 05:48.346 align:start ARIZONA, THE GRASSLAND FIRES? 05:48.349 --> 05:53.351 align:start >> YEAH, WHEN I WAS SPEAKING 05:53.354 --> 05:56.521 align:start WITH BILL McDONALD, HE TOLD ME 05:56.524 --> 05:57.922 align:start THAT THE STUDIES THEY HAVE SEEN, 05:57.925 --> 05:59.357 align:start FIRES HISTORICALLY MOVE THROUGH 05:59.360 --> 06:02.093 align:start THE AREA EVERY SEVEN TO TEN 06:02.096 --> 06:02.393 align:start YEARS, REALLY OPENING UP THAT 06:02.396 --> 06:03.995 align:start LAND. 06:03.998 --> 06:05.963 align:start THE LANDSCAPE HAS REALLY COME TO 06:05.966 --> 06:06.664 align:start RELY ON THEM AS KIND OF NATURE'S 06:06.667 --> 06:10.735 align:start CLEANING SERVICE. 06:10.738 --> 06:12.003 align:start >> FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE GOOD EARS, 06:12.006 --> 06:14.138 align:start MAY EAR THUNDER IN THE 06:14.141 --> 06:14.839 align:start BACKGROUND HERE. 06:14.842 --> 06:17.175 align:start THOSE GRASS GRASS LAND FIRES 06:17.178 --> 06:17.709 align:start CAUSE THE SAME WAY NATURALLY 06:17.712 --> 06:19.610 align:start LIGHTNING, CORRECT? 06:19.613 --> 06:21.379 align:start >> YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY, LIKE 06:21.382 --> 06:22.647 align:start WHAT'S MOVING IN AROUND US RIGHT 06:22.650 --> 06:24.649 align:start NOW, A LIGHTNING STRIKE, YOU 06:24.652 --> 06:26.084 align:start KNOW, THE AREA AROUND COCHISE 06:26.087 --> 06:27.285 align:start COUNTY, A LITTLE HIGHER IN 06:27.288 --> 06:28.686 align:start ELEVATION, SO, NO PROBLEM FOR IT 06:28.689 --> 06:31.022 align:start TO GET SOME OF THESE STORMS THAT 06:31.025 --> 06:32.790 align:start ROLL THROUGH THIS TIME OF YEAR. 06:32.793 --> 06:33.124 align:start >> YOU SAID EVERY SEVEN TO TEN 06:33.127 --> 06:36.861 align:start YEARS. 06:36.864 --> 06:38.129 align:start ARE WE SEEING MORE MANAGEMENT TO 06:38.132 --> 06:39.764 align:start REMIMIC THAT TIMEFRAME OR IS 06:39.767 --> 06:40.631 align:start THIS STILL TOO NEW A PROJECT? 06:40.634 --> 06:41.699 align:start >> THAT IS A LITTLE MORE 06:41.702 --> 06:45.703 align:start MANAGEMENT AND THEY ARE COMING 06:45.706 --> 06:49.440 align:start UP FREQUENTLY, YOU KNOW, AS 06:49.443 --> 06:51.209 align:start McDONALD TALKS ABOUT, BORDER 06:51.212 --> 06:51.509 align:start LANDS GROUP BEEN AROUND 20 YEARS 06:51.512 --> 06:53.111 align:start NOW. 06:53.114 --> 06:55.113 align:start SOME OF THE EARLY AREAS THAT 06:55.116 --> 06:57.415 align:start THEY DID PRESCRIBED BURNS ON, 06:57.418 --> 06:59.017 align:start THEY ARE NOW SEEING WILD FIRES 06:59.020 --> 07:00.251 align:start MOVE THROUGH THAT AREA AND IT IS 07:00.254 --> 07:00.618 align:start KEEPING IT MUCH MORE LOW 07:00.621 --> 07:02.687 align:start PROFILE. 07:02.690 --> 07:04.522 align:start IT IS KEEPING THE FUELS DOWN AND 07:04.525 --> 07:06.557 align:start YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 07:06.560 --> 07:07.525 align:start ANY SORT OF CANOPY JUMPING. 07:07.528 --> 07:09.260 align:start DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE 07:09.263 --> 07:11.829 align:start FIRE GETTING OUT OF HAND. 07:11.832 --> 07:13.731 align:start IT'S REALLY PROVING TO BE A MUCH 07:13.734 --> 07:14.932 align:start MORE MANAGEABLE FIRE. 07:14.935 --> 07:17.435 align:start >> YOU HAVE COVERED FIRES FOR 07:17.438 --> 07:18.569 align:start YEARS IN ARIZONA, UP IN NORTHERN 07:18.572 --> 07:18.970 align:start ARIZONA, HERE IN SOUTHERN 07:18.973 --> 07:20.271 align:start ARIZONA. 07:20.274 --> 07:25.877 align:start EXPLAIN IF YOU CAN TO PEOPLE AS 07:25.880 --> 07:27.912 align:start WE GET MORE AND MORE THUNDER 07:27.915 --> 07:29.614 align:start REQUEST A LOW FIRE VERSUS A 07:29.617 --> 07:30.415 align:start CANOPY FIRE AND HOW THESE FIRES 07:30.418 --> 07:33.184 align:start BEHAVE, THESE LOW FIRES. 07:33.187 --> 07:35.053 align:start >> THE LOW FIRES TEND TO BE MUCH 07:35.056 --> 07:37.221 align:start MORE LOWER IN INTENSITY, JUST 07:37.224 --> 07:39.323 align:start BURNING UP DEAD GRASS, FALLEN 07:39.326 --> 07:41.959 align:start PINE NEEDLES, BUT THINGS THAT 07:41.962 --> 07:42.694 align:start ARE DOWN, YOU KNOW, KNEE HIGH. 07:42.697 --> 07:44.495 align:start AND THEY CAN GET A FAIR AMOUNT 07:44.498 --> 07:46.030 align:start OF HEIGHT, BUT YOU REALLY GET 07:46.033 --> 07:48.499 align:start THE DANGER AND DAMAGE IS WHEN 07:48.502 --> 07:49.834 align:start YOU GET A CANOPY FIRE, WHEN 07:49.837 --> 07:51.602 align:start THESE TREES LIKE YOU SEE BEHIND 07:51.605 --> 07:53.371 align:start ME, WHEN THE FIRE LEAPS UP AND 07:53.374 --> 07:55.073 align:start STARTS GETTING TO THEIR TOPS, 07:55.076 --> 07:57.141 align:start THAT BECOMES THE ISSUE. 07:57.144 --> 07:59.711 align:start THESE TREES TAKE YEARS AND 07:59.714 --> 08:01.379 align:start YEARS, DECADES REALLY TO GROW TO 08:01.382 --> 08:04.115 align:start THIS SIZE U AND THAT'S WHAT YOU 08:04.118 --> 08:06.784 align:start KIND OF SEE IS THE BIG ISSUE IS 08:06.787 --> 08:08.453 align:start IF THE TOP OF A TREE BURNS, IT'S 08:08.456 --> 08:09.854 align:start JUST GONNA DIE AND YOU CAN 08:09.857 --> 08:13.691 align:start ACTUALLY SEE THAT IN SOME AREAS 08:13.694 --> 08:14.459 align:start LIKE AROUND HERE, UP ON MOUNT 08:14.462 --> 08:15.460 align:start LEAVENWORTH, WHERE THE ASPEN 08:15.463 --> 08:17.996 align:start FIRE BURNED YEARS AGO. 08:17.999 --> 08:18.629 align:start THOSE TREES ARE STILL STANDING 08:18.632 --> 08:20.064 align:start BUT THEY ARE STILL DEAD. 08:20.067 --> 08:21.132 align:start >> THANKS FOR TAKING A COUPLE OF 08:21.135 --> 08:21.966 align:start MINUTES TO TALK WITH US ABOUT 08:21.969 --> 08:23.434 align:start GRASSLAND FIRES. 08:23.437 --> 08:25.470 align:start AS ZACK MENTIONED, WE ARE UP 08:25.473 --> 08:27.739 align:start HERE ON MOUNT LEMON, THE SITE OF 08:27.742 --> 08:28.439 align:start THE ASPEN FIRE MORE THAN A 08:28.442 --> 08:30.608 align:start DECADE AGO. 08:30.611 --> 08:33.878 align:start TO HELP THE FOREST RECOVER FROM 08:33.881 --> 08:35.113 align:start THAT FIRE THE NATIONAL FOREST 08:35.116 --> 08:36.681 align:start SERVICE SENT IN A TEAM WHITE 08:36.684 --> 08:39.017 align:start FIRE WAS BURNING, A RECOVERY 08:39.020 --> 08:44.856 align:start TEAM THAT HELPS THE FOREST OUT. 08:44.859 --> 08:47.392 align:start WE SPOKE WITH HEIDI FROM THE 08:47.395 --> 08:47.759 align:start CORONADO NATIONAL FOREST ABOUT 08:47.762 --> 08:49.060 align:start THE TEAM. 08:49.063 --> 08:51.829 align:start WE ARE WHERE THE ASPEN FIRE 08:51.832 --> 08:55.099 align:start BEGAN OVER A DECADE AGO. 08:55.102 --> 08:57.535 align:start LET'S TALK ABOUT AFTER A FIRE 08:57.538 --> 08:58.436 align:start WHAT HAPPENS TO START THE 08:58.439 --> 09:01.005 align:start REHABILITATION PROCESS. 09:01.008 --> 09:02.907 align:start >> WELL, IN THIS CASE, AS IN 09:02.910 --> 09:05.443 align:start MANY, WE CALLED IN A BURNED AREA 09:05.446 --> 09:07.178 align:start EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM, THAT'S 09:07.181 --> 09:08.579 align:start THE BARE TEAM, WHAT THEY ARE 09:08.582 --> 09:10.148 align:start CONCERNED WITH IS CONTROLLING 09:10.151 --> 09:11.182 align:start MOVEMENT OF WATER, SEDIMENT AND 09:11.185 --> 09:12.884 align:start DEBRIS BECAUSE AFTER A FIRE LIKE 09:12.887 --> 09:15.253 align:start THIS GOES THROUGH, IN SOME 09:15.256 --> 09:17.689 align:start AREAS, IT'S BURNED DOWN TO BARE 09:17.692 --> 09:19.590 align:start MINERAL SOIL, SO, THERE ARE A 09:19.593 --> 09:20.458 align:start LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO 09:20.461 --> 09:23.061 align:start DO THEY WILL LOOK AT THE AREA 09:23.064 --> 09:23.861 align:start AND IT'S NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL 09:23.864 --> 09:26.864 align:start TREATMENT BY ANY MEANS. 09:26.867 --> 09:28.299 align:start BUT UP AT THESE ELEVATIONS, 09:28.302 --> 09:29.667 align:start LOWER AS WELL, WE CAME IN AND 09:29.670 --> 09:31.336 align:start DID SOME AREA FEEDING. 09:31.339 --> 09:32.704 align:start THE SOIL IS EXPOSED A GREAT 09:32.707 --> 09:35.406 align:start LIKELIHOOD THE RAINS COME, IT IS 09:35.409 --> 09:37.475 align:start GOING TO WASH AWAY. 09:37.478 --> 09:39.277 align:start SO WE TOOK SOME SEED MIX AND 09:39.280 --> 09:40.478 align:start APPLIED THEM WITH FIXED WING 09:40.481 --> 09:41.746 align:start AIRCRAFT AND HELICOPTERS, A 09:41.749 --> 09:43.915 align:start COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SPECIES WITH 09:43.918 --> 09:44.982 align:start THE INTENT OF LET'S GET SOME 09:44.985 --> 09:46.351 align:start RICHNESS IN THE SOIL TO HOLD 09:46.354 --> 09:48.619 align:start THAT SOIL IN PLAY, LET'S GET 09:48.622 --> 09:51.356 align:start SOME PLANT COVER TO SHIELD AND 09:51.359 --> 09:53.324 align:start PROTECT THAT SOIL. 09:53.327 --> 09:54.759 align:start AND THEN WE MULCHED IT WITH 09:54.762 --> 09:56.294 align:start STRAW AFTER THAT TO PROTECT IT 09:56.297 --> 09:59.063 align:start AND THAT WAS FAIRLY EFFECTIVE. 09:59.066 --> 10:00.431 align:start WE ALSO DID THINGS LIKE 10:00.434 --> 10:01.666 align:start PROTECTED DRAINAGEWAYS, WHERE WE 10:01.669 --> 10:02.000 align:start KNEW DEBRIS WOULD BE COMING 10:02.003 --> 10:04.135 align:start DOWN. 10:04.138 --> 10:05.470 align:start WE REMOVED DEBRIS FROM 10:05.473 --> 10:07.972 align:start DRAINABLES AND WATER COURSES, 10:07.975 --> 10:09.640 align:start PUT UP A LOT OF SIGNING, SO 10:09.643 --> 10:12.276 align:start THERE WAS A MAJOR EFFORT TO DO A 10:12.279 --> 10:13.778 align:start LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO 10:13.781 --> 10:15.113 align:start CONTROL THE MOVEMENT OF THE 10:15.116 --> 10:16.547 align:start WATER AND SEDIMENT AND DEB 10:16.550 --> 10:18.149 align:start BRADEN TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT 10:18.152 --> 10:18.449 align:start HAZARDS MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH 10:18.452 --> 10:21.019 align:start THAT. 10:21.022 --> 10:22.620 align:start >> HOW QUICKLY AFTER A FIRE AND 10:22.623 --> 10:24.889 align:start IN THIS CASE AFTER ASPEN, BUT 10:24.892 --> 10:26.190 align:start JUST IN GENERAL, DOES THAT 10:26.193 --> 10:27.492 align:start PROCESS START? 10:27.495 --> 10:28.893 align:start OBVIOUSLY, TOUGH WAIT UNTIL IT 10:28.896 --> 10:29.827 align:start STOPS BURPING BUT HOW QUICKLY 10:29.830 --> 10:31.362 align:start BEHIND ARE THE CREWS? 10:31.365 --> 10:32.497 align:start >> IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON 10:32.500 --> 10:35.500 align:start SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS. 10:35.503 --> 10:36.067 align:start IN THIS CASE, THE FIRE STARTED 10:36.070 --> 10:37.702 align:start UP HIGH. 10:37.705 --> 10:38.770 align:start THEN IT BURNED GOWN TO LOWER 10:38.773 --> 10:42.573 align:start ELEVATION AND THEN BURNED BACK 10:42.576 --> 10:45.543 align:start UP AGAIN AND SO WE KNEW, THE 10:45.546 --> 10:46.377 align:start CANYON, THE WATERSHEDS, HAD 10:46.380 --> 10:48.880 align:start SUSTAINED A LOT OF DAMAGE AND IN 10:48.883 --> 10:50.081 align:start THE CANYON, THERE IS A FISH THAT 10:50.084 --> 10:50.948 align:start WE KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE 10:50.951 --> 10:53.518 align:start BLACK ASH COMING DOWN THROUGH 10:53.521 --> 10:54.218 align:start THE CANYON, SO THE FIRE WAS 10:54.221 --> 10:55.253 align:start STILL BURNING UP HERE AND WE 10:55.256 --> 10:56.688 align:start WERE DOWN IN THE CANYON REMOVING 10:56.691 --> 10:58.189 align:start FISH FROM THE CREEK, 10:58.192 --> 10:59.257 align:start TRANSPLANTING THEM TEMPORARILY 10:59.260 --> 11:00.692 align:start ELSEWHERE SO WE COULD PUT THEM 11:00.695 --> 11:01.659 align:start BACK IN THE CREEK WHEN THE WATER 11:01.662 --> 11:03.361 align:start AGAIN RAN THROUGH. 11:03.364 --> 11:04.629 align:start IN THAT CASE, THE WORK ACTUALLY 11:04.632 --> 11:04.962 align:start STARTED WHILE THE FIRE WAS STILL 11:04.965 --> 11:06.664 align:start GOING. 11:06.667 --> 11:08.166 align:start >> THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE DON'T 11:08.169 --> 11:10.535 align:start THINK ABOUT IS THEY HEAR ABOUT 11:10.538 --> 11:12.036 align:start THE CREWS PUTTING OUT THE FIRE 11:12.039 --> 11:13.504 align:start AND THE GREAT JOB THAT THEY DO 11:13.507 --> 11:15.306 align:start AMOUNT HARD WORK THAT THEY DO, 11:15.309 --> 11:16.307 align:start BUT THERE'S SO MUCH WORK 11:16.310 --> 11:18.276 align:start AFTERWARDS THAT WE JUST DON'T 11:18.279 --> 11:19.877 align:start HEAR ABOUT, REMOVING FISH, NEVER 11:19.880 --> 11:20.311 align:start EVEN WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT. 11:20.314 --> 11:21.446 align:start >> RIGHT. 11:21.449 --> 11:24.449 align:start >> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER 11:24.452 --> 11:26.617 align:start THINGS YOU SAID? 11:26.620 --> 11:28.820 align:start AERIAL SEEDING VIA FIXED WING 11:28.823 --> 11:30.455 align:start AND IS THAT A ONE-TIME DEAL OR 11:30.458 --> 11:32.523 align:start DO YOU DO IT MULTIPLE SMILES TO 11:32.526 --> 11:32.824 align:start >> WE DID IT OVER A PERIOD OF 11:32.827 --> 11:34.192 align:start DAYS. 11:34.195 --> 11:36.160 align:start IT WAS ONE APPLICATION. 11:36.163 --> 11:37.428 align:start WE DIDN'T DROP MULTIPLE LAYERS 11:37.431 --> 11:39.764 align:start OF SEEDS. 11:39.767 --> 11:41.866 align:start ONE LAY OF SEED ON THE SOIL AND 11:41.869 --> 11:43.701 align:start THEN WE IDENTIFIED THE AREAS WE 11:43.704 --> 11:44.035 align:start WANTED TO COVER AND WE COVERED 11:44.038 --> 11:45.370 align:start THOSE. 11:45.373 --> 11:47.705 align:start >> YOU SAID YOU DROPPED TWO 11:47.708 --> 11:48.306 align:start DIFFERENT KINDS OVER A PERIOD OF 11:48.309 --> 11:49.674 align:start TIME. 11:49.677 --> 11:50.975 align:start WAS IT JUST ALL AT ONCE YOU 11:50.978 --> 11:52.643 align:start DROPPED THEM OR DID YOU DROP THE 11:52.646 --> 11:55.046 align:start FIRST STUFF TO HOLD THE SOIL AND 11:55.049 --> 11:55.980 align:start THEN COME BACK FEW MONTHS LATER 11:55.983 --> 11:58.116 align:start AND DROP THE SECOND STUFF? 11:58.119 --> 12:00.418 align:start >> THEY WERE DROPPED AT THE SAME 12:00.421 --> 12:01.619 align:start TIME, TWO DIFFERENT SEED MIX 12:01.622 --> 12:02.653 align:start WERE USED, ONE HIGH ELEVATION, 12:02.656 --> 12:04.489 align:start ONE LOW ELEVATION. 12:04.492 --> 12:05.590 align:start EACH ONE OF THE SEED MIX A 12:05.593 --> 12:06.424 align:start NON-NATIVE PLANT THAT WAS 12:06.427 --> 12:07.625 align:start ESSENTIALLY OFFICER THAT WILL 12:07.628 --> 12:08.960 align:start WOULD GERMINATE QUICKLY, GET 12:08.963 --> 12:10.795 align:start THOSE ROOTS DOWN IN THE SOIL, 12:10.798 --> 12:12.397 align:start GET THOSE LEAVES UP AND DO WHAT 12:12.400 --> 12:15.033 align:start WE NEEDED TO DO REALLY QUICKLY 12:15.036 --> 12:17.435 align:start WHILE ALLOWING THE NATIVE PLANTS 12:17.438 --> 12:17.869 align:start TO THEN GERM NATE AND BECOME 12:17.872 --> 12:20.038 align:start ESTABLISHED. 12:20.041 --> 12:22.440 align:start THOSE NON-NATIVES ARE NOW GONE. 12:22.443 --> 12:23.908 align:start THE NATIVES DID THEIR JOB AND 12:23.911 --> 12:25.877 align:start SOME PLACE, THEY REMAIN. 12:25.880 --> 12:28.079 align:start >> WHEN IT COMES TO THAT PART OF 12:28.082 --> 12:29.914 align:start THE MANAGEMENT OF THE FIRE OR 12:29.917 --> 12:32.083 align:start THE POSTFIRE, IS THIS DONE ON 12:32.086 --> 12:35.286 align:start EVERY FIRE OR IS IT JUST DONE ON 12:35.289 --> 12:36.287 align:start THE TRUE WILD FIRES AND THE 12:36.290 --> 12:37.789 align:start MANAGED FIRES, THE PRESCRIBED 12:37.792 --> 12:39.190 align:start BURNS, AS WE ALL CALL THEM? 12:39.193 --> 12:40.892 align:start A LITTLE DIFFERENT, OR DO YOU GO 12:40.895 --> 12:41.826 align:start BACK AND DO THIS TYPE OF THING 12:41.829 --> 12:43.127 align:start AFTER THOSE ALSO? 12:43.130 --> 12:45.596 align:start >> EVERY FIRE IS DIFFERENT AND 12:45.599 --> 12:47.799 align:start THE BURNED AREA WILL BE EVAL AND 12:47.802 --> 12:48.700 align:start THE APPROPRIATE DREAMS WILL BE 12:48.703 --> 12:50.668 align:start ASCERTAINED AT THAT POINT. 12:50.671 --> 12:52.103 align:start >> THE CREWS THAT DO THIS, IS IT 12:52.106 --> 12:53.671 align:start THE SAME CREWS THAT ARE OFF 12:53.674 --> 12:55.573 align:start FIGHTING THE FIRES SO AS SOON AS 12:55.576 --> 12:56.641 align:start THEY ARE DONE, YOU HAND THEM -- 12:56.644 --> 13:01.979 align:start YOU CHANGE EQUIPMENT OR IS IT 13:01.982 --> 13:02.714 align:start DIFFERENT CREWS? 13:02.717 --> 13:03.448 align:start >> NO THE WORLD OF WILDFIRE, WE 13:03.451 --> 13:04.182 align:start ARE ALL QUALIFIED FOR DIFFERENT 13:04.185 --> 13:04.916 align:start THINGS AND THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE 13:04.919 --> 13:06.484 align:start QUALIFIED AS FIREFIGHTERS THERE 13:06.487 --> 13:07.418 align:start ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE 13:07.421 --> 13:10.555 align:start SPECIALLY TRAINED FOR WORK ON 13:10.558 --> 13:11.089 align:start THE BEAR TEAM, A NUMBER OF 13:11.092 --> 13:12.690 align:start SPECIALIST. 13:12.693 --> 13:13.358 align:start AGAIN, JUST GET TO GET BACK TO 13:13.361 --> 13:14.659 align:start WHAT WE WERE SAYING THERE 13:14.662 --> 13:17.195 align:start TREATMENT AFTER EVERY FIRE, YOU 13:17.198 --> 13:19.063 align:start HAVE GOT TO EVALUATE WHAT'S THE 13:19.066 --> 13:20.031 align:start PHONES FOR MOVEMENT OF WATER AND 13:20.034 --> 13:21.399 align:start SOIL AND DEB BRAINED THEN YOU 13:21.402 --> 13:22.433 align:start HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT HOW YOU'RE 13:22.436 --> 13:24.535 align:start GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT 13:24.538 --> 13:26.204 align:start >> OBVIOUSLY, WITH BIG SLOPES UP 13:26.207 --> 13:28.172 align:start HERE ON MOUNT LEMON, THERE'S A 13:28.175 --> 13:29.107 align:start LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR MOVEMENT, 13:29.110 --> 13:30.541 align:start ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS RIGHT 13:30.544 --> 13:32.076 align:start AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONSOON 13:32.079 --> 13:32.810 align:start SEASON, SO THE RAINS WERE THEN 13:32.813 --> 13:34.245 align:start COMING RIGHT BEHIND IT 13:34.248 --> 13:35.279 align:start >> THAT'S RIGHT. 13:35.282 --> 13:37.315 align:start THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE 13:37.318 --> 13:39.117 align:start EXPERIENCE IN A LOT OF OUR SKY 13:39.120 --> 13:40.551 align:start ISLAND MOUNTAIN RANGES, REALLY 13:40.554 --> 13:42.587 align:start STEEP TERRAIN, THE POTENTIAL FOR 13:42.590 --> 13:43.821 align:start LARGE MOVEMENTS AND VAST 13:43.824 --> 13:45.957 align:start QUANTITIES OF SOIL QUICKLY. 13:45.960 --> 13:47.358 align:start >> WHEN IT COMES TO DECIDE 13:47.361 --> 13:48.860 align:start WINNING A BEAR TEAM OR IF A BEAR 13:48.863 --> 13:50.695 align:start TEAM COMES IN, WHAT ARE SOME OF 13:50.698 --> 13:51.629 align:start THE THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT 13:51.632 --> 13:54.165 align:start DECISIONMAKING PROCESS? 13:54.168 --> 13:55.566 align:start >> OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT 13:55.569 --> 13:57.068 align:start WHERE THE FIRE BURNED, HOW IT 13:57.071 --> 13:59.103 align:start BURPED, WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL 13:59.106 --> 14:00.905 align:start FOR SOIL LOSS, AND WHAT ARE THE 14:00.908 --> 14:04.075 align:start VALUES THAT ARE DOWNSTREAM? 14:04.078 --> 14:05.309 align:start IF THERE ARE COMMUNITIES, 14:05.312 --> 14:07.111 align:start HOUSING, THAT KIND OF THING, 14:07.114 --> 14:10.114 align:start THAT'S GONNA TAKE PRIORITY OVER 14:10.117 --> 14:12.250 align:start MAYBE AN AREA THAT JUST DRAINS 14:12.253 --> 14:14.352 align:start INTO UNPOPULATED LAND. 14:14.355 --> 14:16.587 align:start >> FOR EXAMPLE, THE MONUMENT 14:16.590 --> 14:17.922 align:start FIRE, YOU HAD DECISIONS TO MAKE. 14:17.925 --> 14:20.058 align:start >> RIGHT, THE MONUMENT FIRE, A 14:20.061 --> 14:21.693 align:start LOT OF HIGH-SEVERITY BURNING, 14:21.696 --> 14:23.027 align:start THE VEGETATION WAS COMPLETELY 14:23.030 --> 14:25.163 align:start BURNED AWAY AND THERE WAS A 14:25.166 --> 14:27.065 align:start POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF SOIL TO 14:27.068 --> 14:28.933 align:start MOVE DOWNSLOPE WHERE THERE WERE 14:28.936 --> 14:31.703 align:start A LOT OF HOMES SO WE DID A LOT 14:31.706 --> 14:33.404 align:start OF THE SIMILAR WORK ON THAT WITH 14:33.407 --> 14:35.273 align:start THE SEEDING AND SO FORTH. 14:35.276 --> 14:37.775 align:start >> WHEN THE ASPEN FIRE BURNED 14:37.778 --> 14:39.010 align:start NEARLY A DECADE AGO, HUNDREDS OF 14:39.013 --> 14:40.211 align:start HOMES IN THE TOWN OF SUMMER 14:40.214 --> 14:42.213 align:start HAVEN WERE DESTROYED. 14:42.216 --> 14:43.715 align:start THOSE HOMES HAVE NOW RECOVERED, 14:43.718 --> 14:44.916 align:start AS HAS THE TOWN AND THAT'S WHAT 14:44.919 --> 14:46.250 align:start A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WHEN 14:46.253 --> 14:47.485 align:start THEY TALK ABOUT THE RECOVERY 14:47.488 --> 14:50.221 align:start FOLLOWING THE ASPEN FIRE. 14:50.224 --> 14:54.959 align:start BUT THE RECOVERY OF THE NATURAL 14:54.962 --> 14:56.794 align:start AREA WAS JUST AS IMPORTANT. 14:56.797 --> 14:58.696 align:start JOSH, LET'S TALK ABOUT RECOVERY 14:58.699 --> 15:00.231 align:start WHEN IT COMES TO FIRES. 15:00.234 --> 15:01.399 align:start A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK FIRES ARE 15:01.402 --> 15:02.233 align:start BAD FOR THE FOREST. 15:02.236 --> 15:03.267 align:start THAT'S NOT TRUE. 15:03.270 --> 15:06.037 align:start >> NOT EXACTLY. 15:06.040 --> 15:09.173 align:start YOU KNOW, WE ARE STANDING HERE 15:09.176 --> 15:09.874 align:start IN WHERE -- IN WHAT WAS THE 15:09.877 --> 15:11.542 align:start ASPEN FIRE AND, OF COURSE, IT 15:11.545 --> 15:14.078 align:start HAD ITS HUMAN-RELATED TRAGEDY 15:14.081 --> 15:18.383 align:start WITH THE LOSS OF HOMES IN SUMMER 15:18.386 --> 15:21.119 align:start HAVEN, BUT IT ALSO HAD SOME GOOD 15:21.122 --> 15:21.819 align:start BENEFITS TO THE ECOSYSTEM WHICH 15:21.822 --> 15:24.622 align:start IS OUT HERE, WHICH IS ITSELF 15:24.625 --> 15:25.456 align:start ADAPTED TO HAVING FIRE RUN 15:25.459 --> 15:27.725 align:start THROUGH IT. 15:27.728 --> 15:30.695 align:start AND FOR TIME IMMEMORIAL, THIS 15:30.698 --> 15:34.866 align:start FOREST WAS MAINTAINED PRIMARILY 15:34.869 --> 15:35.199 align:start THROUGH FIRE AS THE DISTURBANCE 15:35.202 --> 15:35.933 align:start REGIME. 15:35.936 --> 15:37.802 align:start THE TREES YOU SEEKER THE PLANTS 15:37.805 --> 15:40.204 align:start THAT ARE UP HERE ARE ADAPTED TO 15:40.207 --> 15:42.740 align:start THE FREQUENT FIRE REGIME THAT 15:42.743 --> 15:45.376 align:start COMES THROUGH, CLEANS UP THE 15:45.379 --> 15:47.445 align:start FUELS, CREATE OPENINGS, ALLOWS 15:47.448 --> 15:50.481 align:start LIGHTS TO THE FOREST FLOOR, 15:50.484 --> 15:53.051 align:start RECYCLES NUTRIENTS. 15:53.054 --> 15:55.486 align:start SO, LIFE BRINGS BACK FROM A FIRE 15:55.489 --> 15:56.921 align:start RATHER RAPIDLY. 15:56.924 --> 16:00.992 align:start AND WE SAW THAT HERE, WE SAW A 16:00.995 --> 16:03.695 align:start LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE SENSITIVE 16:03.698 --> 16:04.929 align:start TO FIRE IN THE -- AT THE 16:04.932 --> 16:06.264 align:start BEGINNING OF THE FIRE, WE HAD TO 16:06.267 --> 16:06.564 align:start TAKE SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS FOR 16:06.567 --> 16:08.399 align:start THAT. 16:08.402 --> 16:11.035 align:start BUT OVER TIME, WE HAVE SEEN 16:11.038 --> 16:12.303 align:start AMAZING RECOVERY AND WE HAVE HAD 16:12.306 --> 16:12.670 align:start OPPORTUNITIES TO RESTORE 16:12.673 --> 16:15.573 align:start SPECIES. 16:15.576 --> 16:16.507 align:start >> BEFORE WE GET INTO SOME 16:16.510 --> 16:17.709 align:start SPECIFICS ON THE RECOULD HAVE 16:17.712 --> 16:19.744 align:start RAY LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY LOOK AT 16:19.747 --> 16:21.612 align:start A BIG, THICK, LUSH FOREST AND 16:21.615 --> 16:22.013 align:start SAY, BOY, THAT'S HEALTHY, THAT'S 16:22.016 --> 16:24.148 align:start GREAT. 16:24.151 --> 16:25.483 align:start WE ACTUALLY HAVE EXAMPLES OF 16:25.486 --> 16:27.585 align:start THAT HERE RIGHT BY US. 16:27.588 --> 16:28.119 align:start THAT'S NOT GREAT, AT LEAST FOR 16:28.122 --> 16:28.953 align:start FORESTS HERE. 16:28.956 --> 16:33.558 align:start >> THAT IS CORRECT. 16:33.561 --> 16:36.828 align:start SO AS I SAID BEFORE, THE FIRE 16:36.831 --> 16:37.562 align:start WAS A NATURAL DISDISTURBANCE 16:37.565 --> 16:38.296 align:start REGIME IN HERE, WHICH KEPT THE 16:38.299 --> 16:40.031 align:start FOREST MORE OPEN AND THINNED 16:40.034 --> 16:41.432 align:start THINGS OUT. 16:41.435 --> 16:44.936 align:start OVER THE COURSE OF 100 YEARS, WE 16:44.939 --> 16:47.805 align:start HAVE GOTTEN VERY GOOD AT PUTTING 16:47.808 --> 16:49.841 align:start FIRES OUT AND THE FOREST, AS A 16:49.844 --> 16:51.175 align:start RESULT, GREW UP IN CROWDED 16:51.178 --> 16:53.811 align:start COMPANIES WITH HIGH FUEL LOADS 16:53.814 --> 16:55.179 align:start AND YOU CAN SEE ACROSS VERY 16:55.182 --> 16:58.282 align:start THICK FOREST THAT STILL HASN'T 16:58.285 --> 17:00.651 align:start BEEN TREATED YET. 17:00.654 --> 17:01.319 align:start AND THAT'S IN SORT OF AN 17:01.322 --> 17:02.687 align:start UNNATURAL CONDITION. 17:02.690 --> 17:05.723 align:start AT LEAST UNNATURAL WHEN IT IS 17:05.726 --> 17:07.992 align:start SPREAD OVER EVERY ACRE. 17:07.995 --> 17:11.462 align:start BUT IN THESE CONDITIONS, WE LIKE 17:11.465 --> 17:12.830 align:start TO SEE FIRE RUN THROUGH IN A 17:12.833 --> 17:14.465 align:start MORE FREQUENT PERIOD TO BE ABLE 17:14.468 --> 17:16.100 align:start TO THIN THOSE FORESTS OUT, TO BE 17:16.103 --> 17:17.935 align:start ABLE TO REDUCE THOSE FUELS, 17:17.938 --> 17:19.370 align:start PROVIDE THOSE OPENINGS, AND THAT 17:19.373 --> 17:21.005 align:start BECOMES THE CHALLENGE OF 17:21.008 --> 17:21.372 align:start MANAGEMENT OF OUR NATIONAL 17:21.375 --> 17:24.409 align:start FORESTS. 17:24.412 --> 17:26.778 align:start >> AND WHEN IT COMES TO THINNING 17:26.781 --> 17:27.545 align:start THINGS OUT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 17:27.548 --> 17:29.514 align:start FORESTS, BUT SOMETHING RECENT 17:29.517 --> 17:31.315 align:start LIKE THE HOG FIRE, WHICH AS WE 17:31.318 --> 17:33.518 align:start SAW, TURN INTO A MANAGEMENT, 17:33.521 --> 17:34.018 align:start THAT'S GRASSLANDS THAT'S ALSO 17:34.021 --> 17:38.122 align:start POSITIVE, CORRECT? 17:38.125 --> 17:40.324 align:start >> THAT'S VERY POSITIVE THING. 17:40.327 --> 17:43.261 align:start PRIOR CYCLES NUTRIENTS AND THE 17:43.264 --> 17:45.430 align:start HOG FIRE IS IN -- OCCURRED IN 17:45.433 --> 17:48.766 align:start ECOSYSTEMS THAT NEED THAT 17:48.769 --> 17:49.133 align:start FREQUENT NEWT TRY YES. 17:49.136 --> 17:50.501 align:start RECYCLING. 17:50.504 --> 17:52.603 align:start SO THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY 17:52.606 --> 17:53.037 align:start THERE TO ALLOW FIRE TO PLAY ITS 17:53.040 --> 17:54.472 align:start NATURAL ROLE. 17:54.475 --> 17:55.540 align:start YOU WILL SEE VERY RAPID RESPONSE 17:55.543 --> 17:57.608 align:start TO THAT ALMOST AS SOON AS THE 17:57.611 --> 17:59.644 align:start RAINS GET ON THAT, IT WILL BE 17:59.647 --> 18:01.245 align:start COMING BACK IN LUSH GREEN, WITH 18:01.248 --> 18:04.115 align:start ALL OF THOSE NUTRIENTS RELEASED 18:04.118 --> 18:06.951 align:start BACK INTO THE SOIL, THE PLANTS 18:06.954 --> 18:08.186 align:start IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA ARE 18:08.189 --> 18:09.454 align:start ADAPTED TO TO RESPONDING VERY 18:09.457 --> 18:11.089 align:start QUICKLY TO FIRE. 18:11.092 --> 18:12.223 align:start THEY WILL COME BACK. 18:12.226 --> 18:13.891 align:start THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED ON THE 18:13.894 --> 18:14.892 align:start ASPEN FIRE IN THE LOWER 18:14.895 --> 18:18.062 align:start ELEVATIONS BUT HERE WE ARE UP IN 18:18.065 --> 18:19.964 align:start THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS, SO YOU 18:19.967 --> 18:22.467 align:start SEE RATHER LARGE CHANGES IN 18:22.470 --> 18:23.901 align:start CERTAIN AREAS WHERE ALL OF THE 18:23.904 --> 18:26.471 align:start OVERSTORY WAS LOST IN THE AREAS 18:26.474 --> 18:28.306 align:start OF HIGHER INTENSITY AND IT WILL 18:28.309 --> 18:31.542 align:start TAKE SOME TIME, MANY HUNDREDS OF 18:31.545 --> 18:33.578 align:start YEARS FOR THAT TO RESTORE BACK 18:33.581 --> 18:33.945 align:start TO A -- BACK TO A FORESTED 18:33.948 --> 18:37.949 align:start CONDITION. 18:37.952 --> 18:39.317 align:start RIGHT NOW IT'S COMING BACK IN 18:39.320 --> 18:40.885 align:start SHRUBS AND GRASSES. 18:40.888 --> 18:42.353 align:start BUT THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THE 18:42.356 --> 18:44.255 align:start INTENSITY WAS LESS, IT CLEANED 18:44.258 --> 18:47.558 align:start OUT THE SHRUBS UNDERNEATH AND 18:47.561 --> 18:49.494 align:start CREATED OPENINGS HERE AND THERE 18:49.497 --> 18:51.095 align:start AND LIFE IS BEING RESTORED QUITE 18:51.098 --> 18:51.362 align:start WELL WELL TO THE MOUNTAIN RIGHT 18:51.365 --> 18:53.798 align:start NOW. 18:53.801 --> 18:55.967 align:start >> BEN IT COMES TO REGROWTH, 18:55.970 --> 18:57.769 align:start ESPECIALLY OF TREES, WE ARE 18:57.772 --> 19:01.139 align:start GONNA SEE, AS SOME PEOPLE CALL 19:01.142 --> 19:03.875 align:start THEM, THE TOOTH PICKS THE PINE 19:03.878 --> 19:05.076 align:start TREES, THE CONIFERS, THEY ARE 19:05.079 --> 19:05.610 align:start NOT GOING AWAY, BUT THE OAKS ARE 19:05.613 --> 19:07.278 align:start COMING BACK. 19:07.281 --> 19:08.546 align:start >> THE DEAD STANDING TREES WILL 19:08.549 --> 19:09.714 align:start STAY THERE UNTIL THEY FALL DOWN, 19:09.717 --> 19:11.916 align:start THEY WILL ROT AND THEIR 19:11.919 --> 19:13.451 align:start NUTRIENTS GO BACK INTO THE SOIL. 19:13.454 --> 19:14.719 align:start THE SEED BANK THAT IS THERE WILL 19:14.722 --> 19:15.787 align:start RESPROUT AND YOU WILL SEE 19:15.790 --> 19:17.522 align:start CONIFERS COMING IN. 19:17.525 --> 19:19.190 align:start BUT IN THIS -- IN THIS HABITAT 19:19.193 --> 19:21.459 align:start WHERE WE ARE STANDING, YOU SEE 19:21.462 --> 19:22.794 align:start IT'S A PINE OAK WOODLAND AND THE 19:22.797 --> 19:26.030 align:start OAKS BURN DOWN TO THE GROUND 19:26.033 --> 19:27.432 align:start DURING THAT FIRE. 19:27.435 --> 19:29.734 align:start BUT THEY ARE ABLE TO COME BACK 19:29.737 --> 19:31.669 align:start FROM THE ROOT CROWN AND REGROW. 19:31.672 --> 19:33.705 align:start YOU WILL SEE THEM NOW 12 YEARS 19:33.708 --> 19:36.207 align:start HENCE, THEY ARE OVER OUR HEADS, 19:36.210 --> 19:37.442 align:start THERE ARE SHRUBS OVER OUR HEADS 19:37.445 --> 19:39.410 align:start ALREADY AS A RESULT OF THE FIRE, 19:39.413 --> 19:39.744 align:start YOU KNOW, NUTRIENT CYCLING IN 19:39.747 --> 19:40.912 align:start THERE. 19:40.915 --> 19:43.848 align:start YOU CAN STILL SEE THE BLACK 19:43.851 --> 19:45.750 align:start STUMPS UNDERNEATH IN THOSE 19:45.753 --> 19:46.951 align:start SHRUBS, THE BLACK MARKS ON THE 19:46.954 --> 19:48.519 align:start CONNIFFERS AROUND THEM. 19:48.522 --> 19:49.721 align:start IT'S ALL PART OF THE NATURAL 19:49.724 --> 19:54.425 align:start PROCESS THAT OCCURS. 19:54.428 --> 19:55.960 align:start >> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT 19:55.963 --> 19:57.729 align:start FOREST AND PLANT, BUT PART OF 19:57.732 --> 19:59.697 align:start THE FOREST WERE AN MAPS AND 19:59.700 --> 20:02.066 align:start POSITIVES PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW 20:02.069 --> 20:03.134 align:start ABOUT WITH THE ASPEN FIRE AND 20:03.137 --> 20:05.236 align:start PROBABLY FIRE IN GENERAL BUT WE 20:05.239 --> 20:05.603 align:start CAN USE THE ASPEN FIRE AS OUR 20:05.606 --> 20:07.605 align:start EXAMPLE. 20:07.608 --> 20:09.307 align:start >> CERTAINLY, A GREAT DIVERSITY 20:09.310 --> 20:11.142 align:start OF YOU LIFE ON THE SANTA 20:11.145 --> 20:13.044 align:start CATALINA RANGER DISTRICT AND THE 20:13.047 --> 20:15.646 align:start ASPEN FIRE POSED SOME CHALLENGES 20:15.649 --> 20:17.515 align:start AND SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES. 20:17.518 --> 20:20.585 align:start THE FIRST CHALLENGE WAS EARLY ON 20:20.588 --> 20:22.854 align:start IN THE FIRE, THIS HIGH IN THE 20:22.857 --> 20:26.824 align:start WATERSHED OF THE CREEK, WE LOST 20:26.827 --> 20:28.426 align:start A LOT OF TREES, A LOT OF ASH WAS 20:28.429 --> 20:29.861 align:start ON THE GROUND, THE RAINS WERE 20:29.864 --> 20:33.264 align:start COMING AND WE RECOGNIZED THAT A 20:33.267 --> 20:37.735 align:start FEDERALLY LISTED ENDANGERED FISH 20:37.738 --> 20:38.469 align:start SPECIES, THE GILA CHUB, AT RISK 20:38.472 --> 20:40.438 align:start WHEN THE RAPES CAME AND PUT ALL 20:40.441 --> 20:41.406 align:start THAT ASH IN THE WATER. 20:41.409 --> 20:42.607 align:start WE COORDINATED WITH OUR PARTNER 20:42.610 --> 20:45.109 align:start AGENCY, ARIZONA GAME AND FISH 20:45.112 --> 20:47.812 align:start WHO IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED AND 20:47.815 --> 20:50.581 align:start SCRAMBLED, WENT DOWN INTO SABINO 20:50.584 --> 20:52.016 align:start CREEK AND SALVAGED 900 GILA 20:52.019 --> 20:53.951 align:start CHUBS OUT OF THERE, PUT THEM 20:53.954 --> 20:57.255 align:start INTO HATCHERIES AND THE MUSEUMS, 20:57.258 --> 20:58.322 align:start OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT, TO KEEP 20:58.325 --> 20:59.624 align:start THEM UNTIL AFTER RAIN, WHICH 20:59.627 --> 21:01.826 align:start BROUGHT DOWN THE ASH AND KILLED 21:01.829 --> 21:03.695 align:start THE REMAINING CHUB IN THE CREEK. 21:03.698 --> 21:04.962 align:start BUT A COUPLE YEARS LATER, HAD 21:04.965 --> 21:07.332 align:start WASHED OUT THE SYSTEM, WE WERE 21:07.335 --> 21:09.967 align:start ABLE TO PUT THEM BACK. 21:09.970 --> 21:11.269 align:start AND NOT ONLY HAD THAT BEEN AN 21:11.272 --> 21:13.471 align:start EX-HELP OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE 21:13.474 --> 21:15.540 align:start THEM BUT THE ASH HAD CLEANED OUT 21:15.543 --> 21:19.977 align:start THE NON-NATIVE FISH, WRITE A 21:19.980 --> 21:23.014 align:start THREAT TO THE SPECIES ITSELF. 21:23.017 --> 21:25.283 align:start SUBSEQUENTLY, CRAYFISH, WHICH 21:25.286 --> 21:27.251 align:start WERE ALSO A THREAT TO THE 21:27.254 --> 21:28.986 align:start SPECIES, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE 21:28.989 --> 21:32.090 align:start NO NATIVE FISH THERE ALSO 21:32.093 --> 21:34.959 align:start PUTTING PRESSURE ON GILA CHUB, 21:34.962 --> 21:36.494 align:start THE GILA CHUB APPEARED TO 21:36.497 --> 21:38.896 align:start ERADICATE THE CRAYFISH. 21:38.899 --> 21:41.399 align:start SABINO CREEK HAS BEEN FREE OF 21:41.402 --> 21:44.268 align:start NON-NATIVES SINCE ABOUT 2005. 21:44.271 --> 21:46.537 align:start IT'S A GREAT SUCCESS STORY. 21:46.540 --> 21:49.407 align:start NOW, OTHER SUCCESS STORIES UP 21:49.410 --> 21:52.944 align:start HERE INCLUDE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT 21:52.947 --> 21:54.712 align:start WITH THE BEAR TEAM, COMING IN 21:54.715 --> 21:57.915 align:start AND DOING BAIL BOMBING AND 21:57.918 --> 21:59.650 align:start RECEDING, IT CREATED CONDITIONS 21:59.653 --> 22:01.919 align:start OUT THERE WHERE SMALL MAMMAL 22:01.922 --> 22:03.087 align:start POPULATIONS WERE ABLE TO 22:03.090 --> 22:04.956 align:start EXPLODE. 22:04.959 --> 22:06.491 align:start THERE WAS A GREAT MANY FORTS, 22:06.494 --> 22:08.393 align:start THERE WAS A LOT OF SEEDS 22:08.396 --> 22:09.827 align:start AVAILABLE FOR THEM. 22:09.830 --> 22:11.429 align:start AND SO THEIR POPULATIONS DREW 22:11.432 --> 22:13.364 align:start AND ON TOP OF THEM, THEIR 22:13.367 --> 22:13.665 align:start PREDATORS WERE ABLE TO DO VERY 22:13.668 --> 22:15.333 align:start WELL. 22:15.336 --> 22:16.567 align:start ONE OF THOSE PREDATORS IS THE 22:16.570 --> 22:19.837 align:start MEXICAN SPOTTED OWL. 22:19.840 --> 22:20.238 align:start AGAIN, FEDERALLY LISTED AS 22:20.241 --> 22:24.008 align:start THREATENED. 22:24.011 --> 22:26.511 align:start AND THAT SPECIES UP HERE HAD 22:26.514 --> 22:27.945 align:start SOME OF ITS BEST REPRODUCTIVE 22:27.948 --> 22:28.746 align:start YEARS ON RECORD IN YEARS 22:28.749 --> 22:30.481 align:start SUBSEQUENT TO THE ASPEN FIRE. 22:30.484 --> 22:32.850 align:start THAT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THAT WE 22:32.853 --> 22:34.719 align:start GOT WONDERFUL RAINFALL FOR A 22:34.722 --> 22:36.587 align:start COUPLE OF YEARS THEREAFTER. 22:36.590 --> 22:39.023 align:start SO THE COMBINATION OF EVENT. 22:39.026 --> 22:40.825 align:start THE RESTORATION ACTIVITIES AND 22:40.828 --> 22:42.760 align:start VERY FORTUNATE RAINFALL MEANT 22:42.763 --> 22:44.295 align:start THAT THE SPOTTED OWL DID FAIRLY 22:44.298 --> 22:47.565 align:start WELL THEREAFTER. 22:47.568 --> 22:48.333 align:start THAT ALSO IS THE SAME CASE FOR 22:48.336 --> 22:50.168 align:start THE NORTHERN GOT HAWK. 22:50.171 --> 22:52.170 align:start TO THIS DAY, WE STILL SEE 22:52.173 --> 22:53.237 align:start IMPROVEMENTS IN THINGS LIKE 22:53.240 --> 22:55.139 align:start WHITE TAILED DEER. 22:55.142 --> 22:56.808 align:start THEIR POPULATIONS HAVE GROWN 22:56.811 --> 22:59.010 align:start AND, AGAIN, ARIZONA GAME AND 22:59.013 --> 23:01.879 align:start FISH MONITORS THEM EVERY YEAR 23:01.882 --> 23:05.983 align:start AND THEY HAVE HAD VERY POSITIVE 23:05.986 --> 23:09.020 align:start RESULTS, A GREAT DEAL OF FAWN, 23:09.023 --> 23:11.723 align:start THE FAWN-TO-DOE RATIO IS VERY 23:11.726 --> 23:14.359 align:start HIGH ON THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE. 23:14.362 --> 23:15.927 align:start IT SAYS IT POSITIVE AS A RESULT 23:15.930 --> 23:19.697 align:start OF THE ECOLOGICAL CHANGES WHICH 23:19.700 --> 23:21.265 align:start HAVE OCCURRED MORE OPENINGS, 23:21.268 --> 23:22.166 align:start MORE AVAILABLE SPECIES, MORE 23:22.169 --> 23:23.568 align:start FOOD FOR THEM. 23:23.571 --> 23:25.403 align:start IT ALSO OPENED UP THE 23:25.406 --> 23:30.074 align:start OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE A SPECIES 23:30.077 --> 23:32.076 align:start OF TURKEY THAT HAD NOT BEEN HERE 23:32.079 --> 23:36.881 align:start FOR 50 YEARS. 23:36.884 --> 23:38.449 align:start AND GAME AND FISH AND FOREST 23:38.452 --> 23:39.717 align:start SERVICE HELPED TO RESTORE THOSE 23:39.720 --> 23:41.452 align:start TO THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE AND THEY 23:41.455 --> 23:43.287 align:start ARE THRIVING BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE 23:43.290 --> 23:49.227 align:start A MORE DIVERSE HABITAT AND 23:49.230 --> 23:49.594 align:start GREATER RESOURCES FOR THEM TO 23:49.597 --> 23:50.328 align:start LIVE WITH. 23:50.331 --> 23:52.030 align:start OF COURSE, ON TOP OF THOSE KIND 23:52.033 --> 23:55.433 align:start OF SPECIES THEN, JUST LIKE WITH 23:55.436 --> 23:57.335 align:start THE SMALL MAMMALS AND THEIR 23:57.338 --> 23:59.570 align:start PREDATORS, THE GOT HAWKS AND THE 23:59.573 --> 24:02.140 align:start SPOTTED OWLS WERE ABLE TO 24:02.143 --> 24:03.508 align:start THRIVE, WE HAVE THE LARGER 24:03.511 --> 24:05.410 align:start TURKEYS HERE, SO OTHER PREDATORS 24:05.413 --> 24:07.645 align:start ARE ABLE TO THRIVE, ALSO A VERY 24:07.648 --> 24:10.481 align:start HEALTHY MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCALITY 24:10.484 --> 24:11.082 align:start AND COYOTE POPULATION ON THIS 24:11.085 --> 24:14.318 align:start MOUNTAIN AS A RESULT. 24:14.321 --> 24:16.120 align:start AND ALL OF THESE BENEFITS HAVE 24:16.123 --> 24:19.190 align:start ACCRUED BECAUSE OF THE ROLE THAT 24:19.193 --> 24:19.891 align:start FIRE PLAYS IN MANAGING FORESTS 24:19.894 --> 24:21.326 align:start NATURALLY. 24:21.329 --> 24:23.795 align:start AGAIN, IN AN ECOSYSTEM LIKE 24:23.798 --> 24:26.698 align:start THIS, FIRE IS NATURAL. 24:26.701 --> 24:28.166 align:start AND WHILE IT SCARCE PEOPLE, 24:28.169 --> 24:30.535 align:start THREATENS HOMES AND BUSINESSES, 24:30.538 --> 24:32.570 align:start AS IT DID HERE AND IT HAS IN 24:32.573 --> 24:34.605 align:start MANY OTHER PLACES, IT'S PART OF 24:34.608 --> 24:34.972 align:start THE SYSTEM AND IT NEEDS TO BE 24:34.975 --> 24:35.773 align:start MANAGED. 24:35.776 --> 24:38.009 align:start >> THAT'S CORRECT. 24:38.012 --> 24:40.712 align:start WE TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE CAN 24:40.715 --> 24:41.813 align:start TO ALLOW FIRE TO PLAY ITS 24:41.816 --> 24:44.248 align:start NATURAL ROLE. 24:44.251 --> 24:45.683 align:start NOW, IF THERE IS A HUMAN-CAUSED 24:45.686 --> 24:47.518 align:start FIRE, WE SUPPRESS THOSE. 24:47.521 --> 24:49.887 align:start BUT IN THE CASE WHERE WE HAVE 24:49.890 --> 24:51.889 align:start NATURAL IGNITIONS, PERHAPS FROM 24:51.892 --> 24:53.224 align:start LIGHTNING, WE HAVE HAD SOME 24:53.227 --> 24:55.460 align:start OPPORTUNITIES, EVEN ON THIS 24:55.463 --> 24:56.194 align:start DISTRICT, TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW 24:56.197 --> 24:58.629 align:start THINGS TO GO. 24:58.632 --> 25:01.099 align:start THE GUTHRIE FIRE OF 2012, I 25:01.102 --> 25:01.833 align:start BELIEVE, WENT TO ABOUT 5,000 25:01.836 --> 25:03.201 align:start ACRES OF TREATMENT. 25:03.204 --> 25:04.869 align:start YOU HAVE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT THE 25:04.872 --> 25:06.571 align:start HOG FIRE, THAT'S GREAT 25:06.574 --> 25:08.673 align:start OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW FAIR TO 25:08.676 --> 25:09.073 align:start PLAY ITS NATURAL ROLE IN THE 25:09.076 --> 25:10.141 align:start ECOSYSTEM. 25:10.144 --> 25:11.075 align:start THESE ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES WE 25:11.078 --> 25:14.612 align:start LOOK FOR. 25:14.615 --> 25:16.280 align:start WE HAVE TO WEIGH A LOT OF 25:16.283 --> 25:18.649 align:start THINGS, WHAT VALUES ARE AT RISK 25:18.652 --> 25:19.317 align:start IS IT IN A GOOD PLACE FOR US TO 25:19.320 --> 25:20.952 align:start MANAGE IT? 25:20.955 --> 25:21.686 align:start ARE CONDITIONS RIGHT FOR US TO 25:21.689 --> 25:23.154 align:start MANAGE IT? 25:23.157 --> 25:24.489 align:start DO WE HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES TO 25:24.492 --> 25:26.791 align:start BE ABLE TO MANAGE IT? 25:26.794 --> 25:30.128 align:start THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT PLAY 25:30.131 --> 25:32.130 align:start INTO OUR DECISIONS TO DECIDE 25:32.133 --> 25:34.832 align:start WHETHER TO ALLOW FIRE TO PLAY A 25:34.835 --> 25:35.166 align:start NATURAL ROLE FOR ANY GIVEN 25:35.169 --> 25:37.402 align:start START. 25:37.405 --> 25:39.804 align:start >> BATTLING WILD FIRES AND 25:39.807 --> 25:40.471 align:start CONTROLLING THEM IS COMPLICATED 25:40.474 --> 25:43.708 align:start WORK. 25:43.711 --> 25:44.475 align:start LORRAINE RIVERA HAS OUR NEXT 25:44.478 --> 25:45.376 align:start SEGMENT. 25:45.379 --> 25:47.412 align:start >> Reporter: WHITE THING SPARKED 25:47.415 --> 25:48.246 align:start THE BUSTER MOUNTAIN FIRE IN 25:48.249 --> 25:50.181 align:start CATALINA STATE PARK THIS WEEK 25:50.184 --> 25:50.915 align:start AND THE FOREST SERVICE IS 25:50.918 --> 25:52.950 align:start LETTING IT BURN. 25:52.953 --> 25:54.552 align:start >> I'M NOT CONCERNED BECAUSE I 25:54.555 --> 25:55.920 align:start KNOW THAT A PART OF THE 25:55.923 --> 25:56.254 align:start ECOSYSTEM IS REGROWTH FROM 25:56.257 --> 25:58.589 align:start FIRES. 25:58.592 --> 26:00.124 align:start SO I THINK IT'S JUST TO LET THE 26:00.127 --> 26:01.359 align:start NATURE DO ITS OWN THING. 26:01.362 --> 26:03.594 align:start >> Reporter: JUST MORE THAN 200 26:03.597 --> 26:04.495 align:start ACRES HAVE BURNED IN WHAT'S 26:04.498 --> 26:06.564 align:start CONSIDERED ARDUOUS TERRAIN. 26:06.567 --> 26:07.765 align:start >> IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO HIKE. 26:07.768 --> 26:09.867 align:start IT'S NOT ON ANY TRAIL. 26:09.870 --> 26:11.869 align:start IT CAME CLOSE TO THE ROMERO 26:11.872 --> 26:13.037 align:start TRAIL BUT DIDN'T REACH IT. 26:13.040 --> 26:15.073 align:start >> Reporter: JOE FUSS SKOAL A 26:15.076 --> 26:16.908 align:start REGULAR HIKER. 26:16.911 --> 26:19.077 align:start >> I WAS UP RIGHT AROUND THE 26:19.080 --> 26:20.945 align:start CORNER AND I GOT MY BINOCULARS 26:20.948 --> 26:22.413 align:start OUT AND WATCHED IT CLIMB IN THE 26:22.416 --> 26:23.481 align:start HILL AND IT WAS DEVASTATING THE 26:23.484 --> 26:25.216 align:start TREES AS IT WENT UP. 26:25.219 --> 26:26.718 align:start IT REALLY WAS PRETTY SAD. 26:26.721 --> 26:28.786 align:start >> Reporter: THE FOREST SERVICE 26:28.789 --> 26:30.221 align:start SAYS THAT FIRE ACTUALLY BENEFITS 26:30.224 --> 26:33.424 align:start ECOSYSTEM AND FOR THAT REASON, 26:33.427 --> 26:34.058 align:start CREWS ARE NOT BATTLING THE 26:34.061 --> 26:35.593 align:start FLAMES, THOUGH THE FOREST 26:35.596 --> 26:37.328 align:start SERVICE IS ACTIVELY MONITORING 26:37.331 --> 26:39.297 align:start ITS PROGRESS THE HEAVY RAINFALL 26:39.300 --> 26:41.165 align:start HAS HELPED CONTAIN THE FIRES. 26:41.168 --> 26:42.367 align:start >> THAT WAS A CONVERSATION MY 26:42.370 --> 26:43.901 align:start WIFE AND I HAD, HOW COME THEY 26:43.904 --> 26:48.606 align:start ARE NOT PUTTING IT OUT BECAUSE 26:48.609 --> 26:49.841 align:start OF THE BIG FIRE BACK IN 26:49.844 --> 26:51.309 align:start 2000/2001, OUR THOUGHTS WERE WHY 26:51.312 --> 26:51.609 align:start DON'T DO YOU SOMETHING RIGHT 26:51.612 --> 26:52.910 align:start AWAY? 26:52.913 --> 26:53.945 align:start WOULDN'T THEY JUMP AND PUT IT 26:53.948 --> 26:56.247 align:start OUT RIGHT AWAY? 26:56.250 --> 26:56.914 align:start THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD 26:56.917 --> 26:58.282 align:start AMONGST OURSELVES. 26:58.285 --> 26:59.017 align:start THE NEXT DAY WITH HE HAD 26:59.020 --> 27:01.386 align:start CONVERSATIONS WITH FRIENDS AND 27:01.389 --> 27:02.920 align:start WE GOT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, 27:02.923 --> 27:03.187 align:start WHY NOT LET IT BURN? 27:03.190 --> 27:04.522 align:start >>. 27:04.525 --> 27:06.157 align:start >> Reporter: THE FOREST SERVICE 27:06.160 --> 27:07.759 align:start SAYS NO STRUCTURES OR VALUE ARE 27:07.762 --> 27:09.293 align:start AT RISK, SO THIS IS ABOUT 27:09.296 --> 27:10.662 align:start LETTING NATURE RUN ITS COURSE 27:10.665 --> 27:11.029 align:start WHILE CLEARING FIRE FUEL IN THE 27:11.032 --> 27:14.832 align:start PROCESS. 27:14.835 --> 27:16.534 align:start >> I LIKE TO -- I LIKE TO 27:16.537 --> 27:17.902 align:start BELIEVE THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL OR 27:17.905 --> 27:19.570 align:start WHOEVER IS -- THE RANGERS ARE 27:19.573 --> 27:20.905 align:start PAYING ATTENTION, ARE WATCHING 27:20.908 --> 27:22.240 align:start IT, IT IS NOT JUST -- THEY ARE 27:22.243 --> 27:23.908 align:start SITTING BACK SAYING, GEE, LOOK 27:23.911 --> 27:25.943 align:start AT THAT, TOO, I'M EXPECTING THEM 27:25.946 --> 27:26.544 align:start TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS 27:26.547 --> 27:29.681 align:start OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE. 27:29.684 --> 27:30.515 align:start IT MIGHT HAVE LOOKED BIG TO US, 27:30.518 --> 27:31.049 align:start BUT TO THEM, IT WAS A SMALL, 27:31.052 --> 27:35.253 align:start CONTAINED FIRE. 27:35.256 --> 27:35.687 align:start SO IT'S UNDERSTANDING THAT 27:35.690 --> 27:37.255 align:start PERSPECTIVE. 27:37.258 --> 27:39.657 align:start >> AND THAT'S ALL FOR THIS 27:39.660 --> 27:40.725 align:start EDITION OF "ARIZONA WEEK." 27:40.728 --> 27:41.225 align:start I'M CHRISTOPHER CONOVER.