1 00:00:03,970 --> 00:00:09,173 >>> WILD LAND FIRES ARE AN 2 00:00:09,176 --> 00:00:09,540 IMPORTANT PART OF RANCHING IN 3 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:10,241 ARIZONA. 4 00:00:10,244 --> 00:00:11,109 >> IF YOU DON'T BURN IN THIS 5 00:00:11,112 --> 00:00:13,511 COUNTRY, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE 6 00:00:13,514 --> 00:00:14,912 YOUR GRASS OVER TIME. 7 00:00:14,915 --> 00:00:15,279 THAT'S THE WAY THESE GRASSES 8 00:00:15,282 --> 00:00:16,781 EVOLVED. 9 00:00:16,784 --> 00:00:18,750 >> WILDFIRES ARE ALSO IMPORTANT 10 00:00:18,753 --> 00:00:21,185 FOR THE HEALTH OF THE MOUNTAIN. 11 00:00:21,188 --> 00:00:22,387 >> OTHER AREAS WHERE THE 12 00:00:22,390 --> 00:00:24,389 INTENSITY WAS LESS, IT CLEANED 13 00:00:24,392 --> 00:00:28,793 OUT THE SHRUBS UNDERNEATH AND 14 00:00:28,796 --> 00:00:30,395 CREATED OPENINGS HERE AND THERE. 15 00:00:30,398 --> 00:00:31,462 AND LIFE IS BEING RESTORED QUITE 16 00:00:31,465 --> 00:00:34,132 WELL TO THE MOUNTAIN NOW. 17 00:00:34,135 --> 00:00:34,499 >> MANAGING AND RECOVERING FROM 18 00:00:34,502 --> 00:00:52,817 WILDFIRE. 19 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:53,051 THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." 20 00:00:53,054 --> 00:00:55,119 >>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO 21 00:00:55,122 --> 00:00:55,586 >>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO 22 00:00:55,589 --> 00:00:58,122 "ARIZONA WEEK." 23 00:00:58,125 --> 00:00:59,290 I'M CHRISTOPHER CONOVER IN FORT 24 00:00:59,293 --> 00:01:01,092 LORRAINE RIVERA. 25 00:01:01,095 --> 00:01:02,527 >>> IT'S TIME FOR THE MONSOON IN 26 00:01:02,530 --> 00:01:05,263 ARIZONA AND WHILE THAT BRINGS 27 00:01:05,266 --> 00:01:06,030 PLENTY OF RELIEF, IT ALSO BRINGS 28 00:01:06,033 --> 00:01:09,033 WILD FIRES. 29 00:01:09,036 --> 00:01:10,401 SOME PEOPLE SAY WILDFIRES ARE 30 00:01:10,404 --> 00:01:12,804 BAD, BUT THEY ARE ALSO A GOOD 31 00:01:12,807 --> 00:01:14,238 THING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. 32 00:01:14,241 --> 00:01:15,807 WHETHER YOU'RE UP HERE IN THE 33 00:01:15,810 --> 00:01:16,808 MOUNTAINS OR IN THE GRASSLANDS 34 00:01:16,811 --> 00:01:19,477 OF THE STATE. 35 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,680 AS WE BEGIN THIS WEEK'S LOOK AT 36 00:01:22,683 --> 00:01:23,381 WILDFIRES AND WILDFIRE 37 00:01:23,384 --> 00:01:28,653 MANAGEMENT, LET'S THINK ABOUT 38 00:01:28,656 --> 00:01:29,087 THE ECONOMY, THE FIVE Cs, CATTLE 39 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:30,922 SPECIFICALLY. 40 00:01:30,925 --> 00:01:33,925 IT COMES TO RAISING CATTLE IN 41 00:01:33,928 --> 00:01:36,227 ARIZONA, FIRE CAN BE VERY 42 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:36,828 IMPORTANT. 43 00:01:36,831 --> 00:01:37,628 ZACK ZEIGLER EXPLAINS. 44 00:01:37,631 --> 00:01:39,030 >> Reporter: THE GRAZING RIGHTS 45 00:01:39,033 --> 00:01:41,232 FOR SICK MORE RANCH HAS BEEN 46 00:01:41,235 --> 00:01:42,400 HELD BY BILL McDONALD'S FAMILY 47 00:01:42,403 --> 00:01:44,435 FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY. 48 00:01:44,438 --> 00:01:46,237 THE RANCH IS MORE THAN 20,000 49 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,472 ACRES, MOST OF WHICH IS IN 50 00:01:47,475 --> 00:01:49,207 ARIZONA, ABOUT 50 MILES NORTH OF 51 00:01:49,210 --> 00:01:51,542 THE MEXICAN BORDER. 52 00:01:51,545 --> 00:01:53,077 NEARLY A TENTH OF THAT ACREAGE 53 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,946 BURNED IN RECENT FIRES. 54 00:01:54,949 --> 00:01:57,281 >> WELL, THE HOG FIRE I THINK 55 00:01:57,284 --> 00:01:58,950 WAS ABOUT 1350 ACRES. 56 00:01:58,953 --> 00:02:00,918 I GOT SOME STATISTICS ON THAT. 57 00:02:00,921 --> 00:02:03,855 THE OTHER ONE PROBABLY MORE LIKE 58 00:02:03,858 --> 00:02:04,756 500 ACRES, ON MY ALLOTMENT. 59 00:02:04,759 --> 00:02:06,257 >> Reporter: THE TWO FIRES WERE 60 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:09,727 STARTED BY LIGHTNING LAST MONTH. 61 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:11,663 THEY BURNED 14,000 ACRES TOTAL. 62 00:02:11,666 --> 00:02:12,897 McDONALD WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO 63 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:15,400 LET FIRE CREWS MAN ANT FIRE THAT 64 00:02:15,403 --> 00:02:16,734 BURNED ON HIS LAND. 65 00:02:16,737 --> 00:02:17,669 >> IF YOU DON'T BURN IN THIS 66 00:02:17,672 --> 00:02:18,903 COUNTRY, YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE 67 00:02:18,906 --> 00:02:20,405 YOUR GRASS OVER TIME. 68 00:02:20,408 --> 00:02:21,639 >> Reporter: McDONALD'S 69 00:02:21,642 --> 00:02:23,274 PHILOSOPHY ON LETTING CREWS 70 00:02:23,277 --> 00:02:25,109 MANAGE THE FIRE RATHER THAN 71 00:02:25,112 --> 00:02:26,611 EXTINGUISH IT IS PART OF THE 72 00:02:26,614 --> 00:02:30,248 PHILOSOPHY OF THE NON-PROFIT HE 73 00:02:30,251 --> 00:02:32,383 HELPED FORM IN THE EARLY 1990s. 74 00:02:32,386 --> 00:02:34,318 THE GROUP IS MADE UP OF 75 00:02:34,321 --> 00:02:35,687 RANCHERS, ENVIRONMENTALISTS, 76 00:02:35,690 --> 00:02:38,089 ACADEMICS AND OTHERS INTERESTED 77 00:02:38,092 --> 00:02:40,324 IN KEEPING THE LAND IN GOOD 78 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:44,462 CONDITION. 79 00:02:44,465 --> 00:02:45,129 AT THE TOP OF TOTO-DO LIST IS 80 00:02:45,132 --> 00:02:46,264 WORKING WITH FIRE MANAGERS. 81 00:02:46,267 --> 00:02:48,032 THE GROUP'S WORK WAS SEEN AT 82 00:02:48,035 --> 00:02:49,500 THIS SITE WHERE THE HOG FIRE 83 00:02:49,503 --> 00:02:50,868 BURNED A FEW WEEKS AGO. 84 00:02:50,871 --> 00:02:52,036 >> WHEN WE FOUND OUT WE HAD A 85 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:54,005 FIRE IN THIS LOCATION, FIRST 86 00:02:54,008 --> 00:02:55,406 THING WE DO IS TRY TO FIGURE OUT 87 00:02:55,409 --> 00:02:57,442 WHO IS GOING TO BE MOST AFFECTED 88 00:02:57,445 --> 00:02:57,709 BY IT AND WHO DO WE NEED TO TALK 89 00:02:57,712 --> 00:02:59,277 TO? 90 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,281 WHO DO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT 91 00:03:03,284 --> 00:03:05,183 THEIR PREFERENCES MIGHT BE? 92 00:03:05,186 --> 00:03:06,718 >> Reporter: THE PERSON THEY 93 00:03:06,721 --> 00:03:07,151 CONTACTED HAPPENED TO BE BILL 94 00:03:07,154 --> 00:03:08,219 McDONE. 95 00:03:08,222 --> 00:03:08,519 AND IN HE SAID LET THE FIRE 96 00:03:08,522 --> 00:03:10,021 BURN. 97 00:03:10,024 --> 00:03:11,689 >> I GOT A CALL FROM THE 98 00:03:11,692 --> 00:03:12,223 DISTRICT AND SAID WHAT WOULD YOU 99 00:03:12,226 --> 00:03:14,459 LIKE DOUS? 100 00:03:14,462 --> 00:03:16,561 I SAID, WELL, I KIND OF LIKE IT 101 00:03:16,564 --> 00:03:19,630 TO BURN, IT'S GOOD PLACE. 102 00:03:19,633 --> 00:03:22,800 BECAUSE IT STARTED ON MY ALLOT.. 103 00:03:22,803 --> 00:03:23,935 AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. 104 00:03:23,938 --> 00:03:26,004 >> Reporter: FIRE MANAGERS 105 00:03:26,007 --> 00:03:26,471 UNDERSTAND WHY McDONALD MADE 106 00:03:26,474 --> 00:03:28,306 THAT A COUPLE. 107 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:30,341 >> THE EFFECT THE FIRE HAS 108 00:03:30,344 --> 00:03:32,076 MOVING THROUGH THIS COUNTRY IS 109 00:03:32,079 --> 00:03:34,812 TO OPEN UP AND REMOVE SOME OF 110 00:03:34,815 --> 00:03:36,681 THE WOODY SPECIES, THE BRUSH AND 111 00:03:36,684 --> 00:03:40,418 THE SHRUBS, THINGS LIKE THAT, 112 00:03:40,421 --> 00:03:41,252 WHICH ALLOWS GRASS TO COME UP. 113 00:03:41,255 --> 00:03:42,920 >> Reporter: BY THE FALL THIS 114 00:03:42,923 --> 00:03:47,025 BURNED LAND WILL BE MORE 115 00:03:47,028 --> 00:03:47,392 HOSPITABLE TO McDONALD'S 116 00:03:47,395 --> 00:03:48,459 LIVESTOCK. 117 00:03:48,462 --> 00:03:49,394 YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE GREEN, 118 00:03:49,397 --> 00:03:52,730 VERY BRIGHT GREEN AND THEN THE 119 00:03:52,733 --> 00:03:53,398 BROWN IN BETWEEN WHERE IT DIDN'T 120 00:03:53,401 --> 00:03:55,133 ACTUALLY BURN. 121 00:03:55,136 --> 00:03:56,367 >> Reporter: THE SIGHT OF FRESH 122 00:03:56,370 --> 00:03:59,704 GRASS COULD ENCOURAGE MORE 123 00:03:59,707 --> 00:04:00,171 RAMPORS TO ALLOW FIRE TO BURN ON 124 00:04:00,174 --> 00:04:02,106 THEIR LAND. 125 00:04:02,109 --> 00:04:03,741 >> WHEN FOLKS SEE THE EFFECTS AS 126 00:04:03,744 --> 00:04:04,509 A POSITIVE THING RATHER THAN A 127 00:04:04,512 --> 00:04:06,044 NEGATIVE THING THEN THEY ARE 128 00:04:06,047 --> 00:04:07,345 GOING TO BE MORE LIKELY TO WANT 129 00:04:07,348 --> 00:04:08,813 TO WORK WITH US IN HOW WE MANAGE 130 00:04:08,816 --> 00:04:10,114 THESE THINGS IN THE FUTURE. 131 00:04:10,117 --> 00:04:12,283 >> Reporter: IT'S NOT JUST THE 132 00:04:12,286 --> 00:04:13,451 PATCHES BURNED BY THIS SUMMER'S 133 00:04:13,454 --> 00:04:15,553 FIRES THAT STAND AS EVIDENCE FOR 134 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:18,423 LETTING MANAGED FIREWORK ITS WAY 135 00:04:18,426 --> 00:04:20,124 ACROSS GRAZING LANDS. 136 00:04:20,127 --> 00:04:21,526 THE WORK DONE BY THE GROUP HAS 137 00:04:21,529 --> 00:04:26,831 RESULTED IN SWATHS OF THE AREA 138 00:04:26,834 --> 00:04:27,165 BEING BURNED OVER THE PAST 20 139 00:04:27,168 --> 00:04:27,965 YEARS. 140 00:04:27,968 --> 00:04:29,600 >> FRANKLY, I WAS PROBABLY THE 141 00:04:29,603 --> 00:04:31,002 MOST POSITIVE PERSON AROUND AND 142 00:04:31,005 --> 00:04:33,604 THOUGHT WE WOULD BE LUCKY IF WE 143 00:04:33,607 --> 00:04:34,272 GET A FEW OF THE FIRES OFF. 144 00:04:34,275 --> 00:04:35,907 WE ACTUALLY BURPED SEVERAL 145 00:04:35,910 --> 00:04:37,508 HUNDRED THOUSAND ACRES, BOTH 146 00:04:37,511 --> 00:04:40,611 NATURAL STARTS AND PRESCRIBED 147 00:04:40,614 --> 00:04:41,646 BURNS, SINCE OUR GROUP STARTED. 148 00:04:41,649 --> 00:04:43,581 >> Reporter: THAT'S WHY McGONE 149 00:04:43,584 --> 00:04:44,982 NALD THINKS WON'T BE LONG UNTIL 150 00:04:44,985 --> 00:04:46,551 OTHERS NOTICE, BECAUSE FIRE IS 151 00:04:46,554 --> 00:04:51,322 ALLOWED TO PLAY A ROLL, THE 152 00:04:51,325 --> 00:04:52,824 GRASS IS TRULY GREENER ON HIS 153 00:04:52,827 --> 00:04:55,326 SIDE OF THE FENCE. 154 00:04:55,329 --> 00:04:56,461 JOINING US NOW, MY COLLEAGUE, 155 00:04:56,464 --> 00:04:57,862 ZACK ZEIGLER. 156 00:04:57,865 --> 00:04:59,030 LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS STORY WE 157 00:04:59,033 --> 00:05:01,766 JUST SAW OF YOURS. 158 00:05:01,769 --> 00:05:03,501 WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT THAT WE 159 00:05:03,504 --> 00:05:04,268 GET GRASS LAND FIRE IF THEY WANT 160 00:05:04,271 --> 00:05:07,005 TO MANAGE THEM? 161 00:05:07,008 --> 00:05:07,839 >> THE BIG THING IS IT BASICALLY 162 00:05:07,842 --> 00:05:09,374 FIGHTS BACK SOME OF THE VENLG 163 00:05:09,377 --> 00:05:12,777 TAILINGS, THE WOODIER SPECIES, 164 00:05:12,780 --> 00:05:14,145 STUFF LIKE SHRUBS AND BUSHES. 165 00:05:14,148 --> 00:05:17,949 THEY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER TO 166 00:05:17,952 --> 00:05:19,617 GROW A FEW YEARS TO EXPAND. 167 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:20,918 FIRE KIND OF NAUSEOUS BACK AND 168 00:05:20,921 --> 00:05:23,621 GRASS IS SO QUICK GROWING, MAYBE 169 00:05:23,624 --> 00:05:24,555 A MONTH OR TWO BEFORE IT STARTS 170 00:05:24,558 --> 00:05:26,190 TO SHOW UP. 171 00:05:26,193 --> 00:05:29,060 THAT'S WHY THERE'S THIS REAL 172 00:05:29,063 --> 00:05:31,696 BENEFIT TO RANCHERS OUT ON THE 173 00:05:31,699 --> 00:05:32,830 MAN AND PUBLIC LANDS TO BURN, 174 00:05:32,833 --> 00:05:38,169 GET RID OF THE BRUSH AND THE 175 00:05:38,172 --> 00:05:40,405 GRASS COME UP BECAUSE THAT'S 176 00:05:40,408 --> 00:05:41,272 BASICALLY WHAT THEY NEED TO KEEP 177 00:05:41,275 --> 00:05:43,574 THEIR COWS GOING. 178 00:05:43,577 --> 00:05:44,742 >> BACK EAST, PRAIRIE FIRES ARE 179 00:05:44,745 --> 00:05:45,943 NATURAL FOR THE SAME REASON. 180 00:05:45,946 --> 00:05:46,944 ARE THEY NATURAL HERE IN 181 00:05:46,947 --> 00:05:48,346 ARIZONA, THE GRASSLAND FIRES? 182 00:05:48,349 --> 00:05:53,351 >> YEAH, WHEN I WAS SPEAKING 183 00:05:53,354 --> 00:05:56,521 WITH BILL McDONALD, HE TOLD ME 184 00:05:56,524 --> 00:05:57,922 THAT THE STUDIES THEY HAVE SEEN, 185 00:05:57,925 --> 00:05:59,357 FIRES HISTORICALLY MOVE THROUGH 186 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,093 THE AREA EVERY SEVEN TO TEN 187 00:06:02,096 --> 00:06:02,393 YEARS, REALLY OPENING UP THAT 188 00:06:02,396 --> 00:06:03,995 LAND. 189 00:06:03,998 --> 00:06:05,963 THE LANDSCAPE HAS REALLY COME TO 190 00:06:05,966 --> 00:06:06,664 RELY ON THEM AS KIND OF NATURE'S 191 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:10,735 CLEANING SERVICE. 192 00:06:10,738 --> 00:06:12,003 >> FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE GOOD EARS, 193 00:06:12,006 --> 00:06:14,138 MAY EAR THUNDER IN THE 194 00:06:14,141 --> 00:06:14,839 BACKGROUND HERE. 195 00:06:14,842 --> 00:06:17,175 THOSE GRASS GRASS LAND FIRES 196 00:06:17,178 --> 00:06:17,709 CAUSE THE SAME WAY NATURALLY 197 00:06:17,712 --> 00:06:19,610 LIGHTNING, CORRECT? 198 00:06:19,613 --> 00:06:21,379 >> YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY, LIKE 199 00:06:21,382 --> 00:06:22,647 WHAT'S MOVING IN AROUND US RIGHT 200 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:24,649 NOW, A LIGHTNING STRIKE, YOU 201 00:06:24,652 --> 00:06:26,084 KNOW, THE AREA AROUND COCHISE 202 00:06:26,087 --> 00:06:27,285 COUNTY, A LITTLE HIGHER IN 203 00:06:27,288 --> 00:06:28,686 ELEVATION, SO, NO PROBLEM FOR IT 204 00:06:28,689 --> 00:06:31,022 TO GET SOME OF THESE STORMS THAT 205 00:06:31,025 --> 00:06:32,790 ROLL THROUGH THIS TIME OF YEAR. 206 00:06:32,793 --> 00:06:33,124 >> YOU SAID EVERY SEVEN TO TEN 207 00:06:33,127 --> 00:06:36,861 YEARS. 208 00:06:36,864 --> 00:06:38,129 ARE WE SEEING MORE MANAGEMENT TO 209 00:06:38,132 --> 00:06:39,764 REMIMIC THAT TIMEFRAME OR IS 210 00:06:39,767 --> 00:06:40,631 THIS STILL TOO NEW A PROJECT? 211 00:06:40,634 --> 00:06:41,699 >> THAT IS A LITTLE MORE 212 00:06:41,702 --> 00:06:45,703 MANAGEMENT AND THEY ARE COMING 213 00:06:45,706 --> 00:06:49,440 UP FREQUENTLY, YOU KNOW, AS 214 00:06:49,443 --> 00:06:51,209 McDONALD TALKS ABOUT, BORDER 215 00:06:51,212 --> 00:06:51,509 LANDS GROUP BEEN AROUND 20 YEARS 216 00:06:51,512 --> 00:06:53,111 NOW. 217 00:06:53,114 --> 00:06:55,113 SOME OF THE EARLY AREAS THAT 218 00:06:55,116 --> 00:06:57,415 THEY DID PRESCRIBED BURNS ON, 219 00:06:57,418 --> 00:06:59,017 THEY ARE NOW SEEING WILD FIRES 220 00:06:59,020 --> 00:07:00,251 MOVE THROUGH THAT AREA AND IT IS 221 00:07:00,254 --> 00:07:00,618 KEEPING IT MUCH MORE LOW 222 00:07:00,621 --> 00:07:02,687 PROFILE. 223 00:07:02,690 --> 00:07:04,522 IT IS KEEPING THE FUELS DOWN AND 224 00:07:04,525 --> 00:07:06,557 YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 225 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:07,525 ANY SORT OF CANOPY JUMPING. 226 00:07:07,528 --> 00:07:09,260 DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE 227 00:07:09,263 --> 00:07:11,829 FIRE GETTING OUT OF HAND. 228 00:07:11,832 --> 00:07:13,731 IT'S REALLY PROVING TO BE A MUCH 229 00:07:13,734 --> 00:07:14,932 MORE MANAGEABLE FIRE. 230 00:07:14,935 --> 00:07:17,435 >> YOU HAVE COVERED FIRES FOR 231 00:07:17,438 --> 00:07:18,569 YEARS IN ARIZONA, UP IN NORTHERN 232 00:07:18,572 --> 00:07:18,970 ARIZONA, HERE IN SOUTHERN 233 00:07:18,973 --> 00:07:20,271 ARIZONA. 234 00:07:20,274 --> 00:07:25,877 EXPLAIN IF YOU CAN TO PEOPLE AS 235 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,912 WE GET MORE AND MORE THUNDER 236 00:07:27,915 --> 00:07:29,614 REQUEST A LOW FIRE VERSUS A 237 00:07:29,617 --> 00:07:30,415 CANOPY FIRE AND HOW THESE FIRES 238 00:07:30,418 --> 00:07:33,184 BEHAVE, THESE LOW FIRES. 239 00:07:33,187 --> 00:07:35,053 >> THE LOW FIRES TEND TO BE MUCH 240 00:07:35,056 --> 00:07:37,221 MORE LOWER IN INTENSITY, JUST 241 00:07:37,224 --> 00:07:39,323 BURNING UP DEAD GRASS, FALLEN 242 00:07:39,326 --> 00:07:41,959 PINE NEEDLES, BUT THINGS THAT 243 00:07:41,962 --> 00:07:42,694 ARE DOWN, YOU KNOW, KNEE HIGH. 244 00:07:42,697 --> 00:07:44,495 AND THEY CAN GET A FAIR AMOUNT 245 00:07:44,498 --> 00:07:46,030 OF HEIGHT, BUT YOU REALLY GET 246 00:07:46,033 --> 00:07:48,499 THE DANGER AND DAMAGE IS WHEN 247 00:07:48,502 --> 00:07:49,834 YOU GET A CANOPY FIRE, WHEN 248 00:07:49,837 --> 00:07:51,602 THESE TREES LIKE YOU SEE BEHIND 249 00:07:51,605 --> 00:07:53,371 ME, WHEN THE FIRE LEAPS UP AND 250 00:07:53,374 --> 00:07:55,073 STARTS GETTING TO THEIR TOPS, 251 00:07:55,076 --> 00:07:57,141 THAT BECOMES THE ISSUE. 252 00:07:57,144 --> 00:07:59,711 THESE TREES TAKE YEARS AND 253 00:07:59,714 --> 00:08:01,379 YEARS, DECADES REALLY TO GROW TO 254 00:08:01,382 --> 00:08:04,115 THIS SIZE U AND THAT'S WHAT YOU 255 00:08:04,118 --> 00:08:06,784 KIND OF SEE IS THE BIG ISSUE IS 256 00:08:06,787 --> 00:08:08,453 IF THE TOP OF A TREE BURNS, IT'S 257 00:08:08,456 --> 00:08:09,854 JUST GONNA DIE AND YOU CAN 258 00:08:09,857 --> 00:08:13,691 ACTUALLY SEE THAT IN SOME AREAS 259 00:08:13,694 --> 00:08:14,459 LIKE AROUND HERE, UP ON MOUNT 260 00:08:14,462 --> 00:08:15,460 LEAVENWORTH, WHERE THE ASPEN 261 00:08:15,463 --> 00:08:17,996 FIRE BURNED YEARS AGO. 262 00:08:17,999 --> 00:08:18,629 THOSE TREES ARE STILL STANDING 263 00:08:18,632 --> 00:08:20,064 BUT THEY ARE STILL DEAD. 264 00:08:20,067 --> 00:08:21,132 >> THANKS FOR TAKING A COUPLE OF 265 00:08:21,135 --> 00:08:21,966 MINUTES TO TALK WITH US ABOUT 266 00:08:21,969 --> 00:08:23,434 GRASSLAND FIRES. 267 00:08:23,437 --> 00:08:25,470 AS ZACK MENTIONED, WE ARE UP 268 00:08:25,473 --> 00:08:27,739 HERE ON MOUNT LEMON, THE SITE OF 269 00:08:27,742 --> 00:08:28,439 THE ASPEN FIRE MORE THAN A 270 00:08:28,442 --> 00:08:30,608 DECADE AGO. 271 00:08:30,611 --> 00:08:33,878 TO HELP THE FOREST RECOVER FROM 272 00:08:33,881 --> 00:08:35,113 THAT FIRE THE NATIONAL FOREST 273 00:08:35,116 --> 00:08:36,681 SERVICE SENT IN A TEAM WHITE 274 00:08:36,684 --> 00:08:39,017 FIRE WAS BURNING, A RECOVERY 275 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:44,856 TEAM THAT HELPS THE FOREST OUT. 276 00:08:44,859 --> 00:08:47,392 WE SPOKE WITH HEIDI FROM THE 277 00:08:47,395 --> 00:08:47,759 CORONADO NATIONAL FOREST ABOUT 278 00:08:47,762 --> 00:08:49,060 THE TEAM. 279 00:08:49,063 --> 00:08:51,829 WE ARE WHERE THE ASPEN FIRE 280 00:08:51,832 --> 00:08:55,099 BEGAN OVER A DECADE AGO. 281 00:08:55,102 --> 00:08:57,535 LET'S TALK ABOUT AFTER A FIRE 282 00:08:57,538 --> 00:08:58,436 WHAT HAPPENS TO START THE 283 00:08:58,439 --> 00:09:01,005 REHABILITATION PROCESS. 284 00:09:01,008 --> 00:09:02,907 >> WELL, IN THIS CASE, AS IN 285 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:05,443 MANY, WE CALLED IN A BURNED AREA 286 00:09:05,446 --> 00:09:07,178 EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM, THAT'S 287 00:09:07,181 --> 00:09:08,579 THE BARE TEAM, WHAT THEY ARE 288 00:09:08,582 --> 00:09:10,148 CONCERNED WITH IS CONTROLLING 289 00:09:10,151 --> 00:09:11,182 MOVEMENT OF WATER, SEDIMENT AND 290 00:09:11,185 --> 00:09:12,884 DEBRIS BECAUSE AFTER A FIRE LIKE 291 00:09:12,887 --> 00:09:15,253 THIS GOES THROUGH, IN SOME 292 00:09:15,256 --> 00:09:17,689 AREAS, IT'S BURNED DOWN TO BARE 293 00:09:17,692 --> 00:09:19,590 MINERAL SOIL, SO, THERE ARE A 294 00:09:19,593 --> 00:09:20,458 LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO 295 00:09:20,461 --> 00:09:23,061 DO THEY WILL LOOK AT THE AREA 296 00:09:23,064 --> 00:09:23,861 AND IT'S NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL 297 00:09:23,864 --> 00:09:26,864 TREATMENT BY ANY MEANS. 298 00:09:26,867 --> 00:09:28,299 BUT UP AT THESE ELEVATIONS, 299 00:09:28,302 --> 00:09:29,667 LOWER AS WELL, WE CAME IN AND 300 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:31,336 DID SOME AREA FEEDING. 301 00:09:31,339 --> 00:09:32,704 THE SOIL IS EXPOSED A GREAT 302 00:09:32,707 --> 00:09:35,406 LIKELIHOOD THE RAINS COME, IT IS 303 00:09:35,409 --> 00:09:37,475 GOING TO WASH AWAY. 304 00:09:37,478 --> 00:09:39,277 SO WE TOOK SOME SEED MIX AND 305 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,478 APPLIED THEM WITH FIXED WING 306 00:09:40,481 --> 00:09:41,746 AIRCRAFT AND HELICOPTERS, A 307 00:09:41,749 --> 00:09:43,915 COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SPECIES WITH 308 00:09:43,918 --> 00:09:44,982 THE INTENT OF LET'S GET SOME 309 00:09:44,985 --> 00:09:46,351 RICHNESS IN THE SOIL TO HOLD 310 00:09:46,354 --> 00:09:48,619 THAT SOIL IN PLAY, LET'S GET 311 00:09:48,622 --> 00:09:51,356 SOME PLANT COVER TO SHIELD AND 312 00:09:51,359 --> 00:09:53,324 PROTECT THAT SOIL. 313 00:09:53,327 --> 00:09:54,759 AND THEN WE MULCHED IT WITH 314 00:09:54,762 --> 00:09:56,294 STRAW AFTER THAT TO PROTECT IT 315 00:09:56,297 --> 00:09:59,063 AND THAT WAS FAIRLY EFFECTIVE. 316 00:09:59,066 --> 00:10:00,431 WE ALSO DID THINGS LIKE 317 00:10:00,434 --> 00:10:01,666 PROTECTED DRAINAGEWAYS, WHERE WE 318 00:10:01,669 --> 00:10:02,000 KNEW DEBRIS WOULD BE COMING 319 00:10:02,003 --> 00:10:04,135 DOWN. 320 00:10:04,138 --> 00:10:05,470 WE REMOVED DEBRIS FROM 321 00:10:05,473 --> 00:10:07,972 DRAINABLES AND WATER COURSES, 322 00:10:07,975 --> 00:10:09,640 PUT UP A LOT OF SIGNING, SO 323 00:10:09,643 --> 00:10:12,276 THERE WAS A MAJOR EFFORT TO DO A 324 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:13,778 LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO 325 00:10:13,781 --> 00:10:15,113 CONTROL THE MOVEMENT OF THE 326 00:10:15,116 --> 00:10:16,547 WATER AND SEDIMENT AND DEB 327 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:18,149 BRADEN TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT 328 00:10:18,152 --> 00:10:18,449 HAZARDS MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH 329 00:10:18,452 --> 00:10:21,019 THAT. 330 00:10:21,022 --> 00:10:22,620 >> HOW QUICKLY AFTER A FIRE AND 331 00:10:22,623 --> 00:10:24,889 IN THIS CASE AFTER ASPEN, BUT 332 00:10:24,892 --> 00:10:26,190 JUST IN GENERAL, DOES THAT 333 00:10:26,193 --> 00:10:27,492 PROCESS START? 334 00:10:27,495 --> 00:10:28,893 OBVIOUSLY, TOUGH WAIT UNTIL IT 335 00:10:28,896 --> 00:10:29,827 STOPS BURPING BUT HOW QUICKLY 336 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:31,362 BEHIND ARE THE CREWS? 337 00:10:31,365 --> 00:10:32,497 >> IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON 338 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:35,500 SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS. 339 00:10:35,503 --> 00:10:36,067 IN THIS CASE, THE FIRE STARTED 340 00:10:36,070 --> 00:10:37,702 UP HIGH. 341 00:10:37,705 --> 00:10:38,770 THEN IT BURNED GOWN TO LOWER 342 00:10:38,773 --> 00:10:42,573 ELEVATION AND THEN BURNED BACK 343 00:10:42,576 --> 00:10:45,543 UP AGAIN AND SO WE KNEW, THE 344 00:10:45,546 --> 00:10:46,377 CANYON, THE WATERSHEDS, HAD 345 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:48,880 SUSTAINED A LOT OF DAMAGE AND IN 346 00:10:48,883 --> 00:10:50,081 THE CANYON, THERE IS A FISH THAT 347 00:10:50,084 --> 00:10:50,948 WE KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE 348 00:10:50,951 --> 00:10:53,518 BLACK ASH COMING DOWN THROUGH 349 00:10:53,521 --> 00:10:54,218 THE CANYON, SO THE FIRE WAS 350 00:10:54,221 --> 00:10:55,253 STILL BURNING UP HERE AND WE 351 00:10:55,256 --> 00:10:56,688 WERE DOWN IN THE CANYON REMOVING 352 00:10:56,691 --> 00:10:58,189 FISH FROM THE CREEK, 353 00:10:58,192 --> 00:10:59,257 TRANSPLANTING THEM TEMPORARILY 354 00:10:59,260 --> 00:11:00,692 ELSEWHERE SO WE COULD PUT THEM 355 00:11:00,695 --> 00:11:01,659 BACK IN THE CREEK WHEN THE WATER 356 00:11:01,662 --> 00:11:03,361 AGAIN RAN THROUGH. 357 00:11:03,364 --> 00:11:04,629 IN THAT CASE, THE WORK ACTUALLY 358 00:11:04,632 --> 00:11:04,962 STARTED WHILE THE FIRE WAS STILL 359 00:11:04,965 --> 00:11:06,664 GOING. 360 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:08,166 >> THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE DON'T 361 00:11:08,169 --> 00:11:10,535 THINK ABOUT IS THEY HEAR ABOUT 362 00:11:10,538 --> 00:11:12,036 THE CREWS PUTTING OUT THE FIRE 363 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:13,504 AND THE GREAT JOB THAT THEY DO 364 00:11:13,507 --> 00:11:15,306 AMOUNT HARD WORK THAT THEY DO, 365 00:11:15,309 --> 00:11:16,307 BUT THERE'S SO MUCH WORK 366 00:11:16,310 --> 00:11:18,276 AFTERWARDS THAT WE JUST DON'T 367 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:19,877 HEAR ABOUT, REMOVING FISH, NEVER 368 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:20,311 EVEN WOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT. 369 00:11:20,314 --> 00:11:21,446 >> RIGHT. 370 00:11:21,449 --> 00:11:24,449 >> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER 371 00:11:24,452 --> 00:11:26,617 THINGS YOU SAID? 372 00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:28,820 AERIAL SEEDING VIA FIXED WING 373 00:11:28,823 --> 00:11:30,455 AND IS THAT A ONE-TIME DEAL OR 374 00:11:30,458 --> 00:11:32,523 DO YOU DO IT MULTIPLE SMILES TO 375 00:11:32,526 --> 00:11:32,824 >> WE DID IT OVER A PERIOD OF 376 00:11:32,827 --> 00:11:34,192 DAYS. 377 00:11:34,195 --> 00:11:36,160 IT WAS ONE APPLICATION. 378 00:11:36,163 --> 00:11:37,428 WE DIDN'T DROP MULTIPLE LAYERS 379 00:11:37,431 --> 00:11:39,764 OF SEEDS. 380 00:11:39,767 --> 00:11:41,866 ONE LAY OF SEED ON THE SOIL AND 381 00:11:41,869 --> 00:11:43,701 THEN WE IDENTIFIED THE AREAS WE 382 00:11:43,704 --> 00:11:44,035 WANTED TO COVER AND WE COVERED 383 00:11:44,038 --> 00:11:45,370 THOSE. 384 00:11:45,373 --> 00:11:47,705 >> YOU SAID YOU DROPPED TWO 385 00:11:47,708 --> 00:11:48,306 DIFFERENT KINDS OVER A PERIOD OF 386 00:11:48,309 --> 00:11:49,674 TIME. 387 00:11:49,677 --> 00:11:50,975 WAS IT JUST ALL AT ONCE YOU 388 00:11:50,978 --> 00:11:52,643 DROPPED THEM OR DID YOU DROP THE 389 00:11:52,646 --> 00:11:55,046 FIRST STUFF TO HOLD THE SOIL AND 390 00:11:55,049 --> 00:11:55,980 THEN COME BACK FEW MONTHS LATER 391 00:11:55,983 --> 00:11:58,116 AND DROP THE SECOND STUFF? 392 00:11:58,119 --> 00:12:00,418 >> THEY WERE DROPPED AT THE SAME 393 00:12:00,421 --> 00:12:01,619 TIME, TWO DIFFERENT SEED MIX 394 00:12:01,622 --> 00:12:02,653 WERE USED, ONE HIGH ELEVATION, 395 00:12:02,656 --> 00:12:04,489 ONE LOW ELEVATION. 396 00:12:04,492 --> 00:12:05,590 EACH ONE OF THE SEED MIX A 397 00:12:05,593 --> 00:12:06,424 NON-NATIVE PLANT THAT WAS 398 00:12:06,427 --> 00:12:07,625 ESSENTIALLY OFFICER THAT WILL 399 00:12:07,628 --> 00:12:08,960 WOULD GERMINATE QUICKLY, GET 400 00:12:08,963 --> 00:12:10,795 THOSE ROOTS DOWN IN THE SOIL, 401 00:12:10,798 --> 00:12:12,397 GET THOSE LEAVES UP AND DO WHAT 402 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,033 WE NEEDED TO DO REALLY QUICKLY 403 00:12:15,036 --> 00:12:17,435 WHILE ALLOWING THE NATIVE PLANTS 404 00:12:17,438 --> 00:12:17,869 TO THEN GERM NATE AND BECOME 405 00:12:17,872 --> 00:12:20,038 ESTABLISHED. 406 00:12:20,041 --> 00:12:22,440 THOSE NON-NATIVES ARE NOW GONE. 407 00:12:22,443 --> 00:12:23,908 THE NATIVES DID THEIR JOB AND 408 00:12:23,911 --> 00:12:25,877 SOME PLACE, THEY REMAIN. 409 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,079 >> WHEN IT COMES TO THAT PART OF 410 00:12:28,082 --> 00:12:29,914 THE MANAGEMENT OF THE FIRE OR 411 00:12:29,917 --> 00:12:32,083 THE POSTFIRE, IS THIS DONE ON 412 00:12:32,086 --> 00:12:35,286 EVERY FIRE OR IS IT JUST DONE ON 413 00:12:35,289 --> 00:12:36,287 THE TRUE WILD FIRES AND THE 414 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:37,789 MANAGED FIRES, THE PRESCRIBED 415 00:12:37,792 --> 00:12:39,190 BURNS, AS WE ALL CALL THEM? 416 00:12:39,193 --> 00:12:40,892 A LITTLE DIFFERENT, OR DO YOU GO 417 00:12:40,895 --> 00:12:41,826 BACK AND DO THIS TYPE OF THING 418 00:12:41,829 --> 00:12:43,127 AFTER THOSE ALSO? 419 00:12:43,130 --> 00:12:45,596 >> EVERY FIRE IS DIFFERENT AND 420 00:12:45,599 --> 00:12:47,799 THE BURNED AREA WILL BE EVAL AND 421 00:12:47,802 --> 00:12:48,700 THE APPROPRIATE DREAMS WILL BE 422 00:12:48,703 --> 00:12:50,668 ASCERTAINED AT THAT POINT. 423 00:12:50,671 --> 00:12:52,103 >> THE CREWS THAT DO THIS, IS IT 424 00:12:52,106 --> 00:12:53,671 THE SAME CREWS THAT ARE OFF 425 00:12:53,674 --> 00:12:55,573 FIGHTING THE FIRES SO AS SOON AS 426 00:12:55,576 --> 00:12:56,641 THEY ARE DONE, YOU HAND THEM -- 427 00:12:56,644 --> 00:13:01,979 YOU CHANGE EQUIPMENT OR IS IT 428 00:13:01,982 --> 00:13:02,714 DIFFERENT CREWS? 429 00:13:02,717 --> 00:13:03,448 >> NO THE WORLD OF WILDFIRE, WE 430 00:13:03,451 --> 00:13:04,182 ARE ALL QUALIFIED FOR DIFFERENT 431 00:13:04,185 --> 00:13:04,916 THINGS AND THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE 432 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:06,484 QUALIFIED AS FIREFIGHTERS THERE 433 00:13:06,487 --> 00:13:07,418 ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE 434 00:13:07,421 --> 00:13:10,555 SPECIALLY TRAINED FOR WORK ON 435 00:13:10,558 --> 00:13:11,089 THE BEAR TEAM, A NUMBER OF 436 00:13:11,092 --> 00:13:12,690 SPECIALIST. 437 00:13:12,693 --> 00:13:13,358 AGAIN, JUST GET TO GET BACK TO 438 00:13:13,361 --> 00:13:14,659 WHAT WE WERE SAYING THERE 439 00:13:14,662 --> 00:13:17,195 TREATMENT AFTER EVERY FIRE, YOU 440 00:13:17,198 --> 00:13:19,063 HAVE GOT TO EVALUATE WHAT'S THE 441 00:13:19,066 --> 00:13:20,031 PHONES FOR MOVEMENT OF WATER AND 442 00:13:20,034 --> 00:13:21,399 SOIL AND DEB BRAINED THEN YOU 443 00:13:21,402 --> 00:13:22,433 HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT HOW YOU'RE 444 00:13:22,436 --> 00:13:24,535 GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT 445 00:13:24,538 --> 00:13:26,204 >> OBVIOUSLY, WITH BIG SLOPES UP 446 00:13:26,207 --> 00:13:28,172 HERE ON MOUNT LEMON, THERE'S A 447 00:13:28,175 --> 00:13:29,107 LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR MOVEMENT, 448 00:13:29,110 --> 00:13:30,541 ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS RIGHT 449 00:13:30,544 --> 00:13:32,076 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONSOON 450 00:13:32,079 --> 00:13:32,810 SEASON, SO THE RAINS WERE THEN 451 00:13:32,813 --> 00:13:34,245 COMING RIGHT BEHIND IT 452 00:13:34,248 --> 00:13:35,279 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 453 00:13:35,282 --> 00:13:37,315 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE 454 00:13:37,318 --> 00:13:39,117 EXPERIENCE IN A LOT OF OUR SKY 455 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,551 ISLAND MOUNTAIN RANGES, REALLY 456 00:13:40,554 --> 00:13:42,587 STEEP TERRAIN, THE POTENTIAL FOR 457 00:13:42,590 --> 00:13:43,821 LARGE MOVEMENTS AND VAST 458 00:13:43,824 --> 00:13:45,957 QUANTITIES OF SOIL QUICKLY. 459 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,358 >> WHEN IT COMES TO DECIDE 460 00:13:47,361 --> 00:13:48,860 WINNING A BEAR TEAM OR IF A BEAR 461 00:13:48,863 --> 00:13:50,695 TEAM COMES IN, WHAT ARE SOME OF 462 00:13:50,698 --> 00:13:51,629 THE THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT 463 00:13:51,632 --> 00:13:54,165 DECISIONMAKING PROCESS? 464 00:13:54,168 --> 00:13:55,566 >> OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT 465 00:13:55,569 --> 00:13:57,068 WHERE THE FIRE BURNED, HOW IT 466 00:13:57,071 --> 00:13:59,103 BURPED, WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL 467 00:13:59,106 --> 00:14:00,905 FOR SOIL LOSS, AND WHAT ARE THE 468 00:14:00,908 --> 00:14:04,075 VALUES THAT ARE DOWNSTREAM? 469 00:14:04,078 --> 00:14:05,309 IF THERE ARE COMMUNITIES, 470 00:14:05,312 --> 00:14:07,111 HOUSING, THAT KIND OF THING, 471 00:14:07,114 --> 00:14:10,114 THAT'S GONNA TAKE PRIORITY OVER 472 00:14:10,117 --> 00:14:12,250 MAYBE AN AREA THAT JUST DRAINS 473 00:14:12,253 --> 00:14:14,352 INTO UNPOPULATED LAND. 474 00:14:14,355 --> 00:14:16,587 >> FOR EXAMPLE, THE MONUMENT 475 00:14:16,590 --> 00:14:17,922 FIRE, YOU HAD DECISIONS TO MAKE. 476 00:14:17,925 --> 00:14:20,058 >> RIGHT, THE MONUMENT FIRE, A 477 00:14:20,061 --> 00:14:21,693 LOT OF HIGH-SEVERITY BURNING, 478 00:14:21,696 --> 00:14:23,027 THE VEGETATION WAS COMPLETELY 479 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:25,163 BURNED AWAY AND THERE WAS A 480 00:14:25,166 --> 00:14:27,065 POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF SOIL TO 481 00:14:27,068 --> 00:14:28,933 MOVE DOWNSLOPE WHERE THERE WERE 482 00:14:28,936 --> 00:14:31,703 A LOT OF HOMES SO WE DID A LOT 483 00:14:31,706 --> 00:14:33,404 OF THE SIMILAR WORK ON THAT WITH 484 00:14:33,407 --> 00:14:35,273 THE SEEDING AND SO FORTH. 485 00:14:35,276 --> 00:14:37,775 >> WHEN THE ASPEN FIRE BURNED 486 00:14:37,778 --> 00:14:39,010 NEARLY A DECADE AGO, HUNDREDS OF 487 00:14:39,013 --> 00:14:40,211 HOMES IN THE TOWN OF SUMMER 488 00:14:40,214 --> 00:14:42,213 HAVEN WERE DESTROYED. 489 00:14:42,216 --> 00:14:43,715 THOSE HOMES HAVE NOW RECOVERED, 490 00:14:43,718 --> 00:14:44,916 AS HAS THE TOWN AND THAT'S WHAT 491 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:46,250 A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WHEN 492 00:14:46,253 --> 00:14:47,485 THEY TALK ABOUT THE RECOVERY 493 00:14:47,488 --> 00:14:50,221 FOLLOWING THE ASPEN FIRE. 494 00:14:50,224 --> 00:14:54,959 BUT THE RECOVERY OF THE NATURAL 495 00:14:54,962 --> 00:14:56,794 AREA WAS JUST AS IMPORTANT. 496 00:14:56,797 --> 00:14:58,696 JOSH, LET'S TALK ABOUT RECOVERY 497 00:14:58,699 --> 00:15:00,231 WHEN IT COMES TO FIRES. 498 00:15:00,234 --> 00:15:01,399 A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK FIRES ARE 499 00:15:01,402 --> 00:15:02,233 BAD FOR THE FOREST. 500 00:15:02,236 --> 00:15:03,267 THAT'S NOT TRUE. 501 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:06,037 >> NOT EXACTLY. 502 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,173 YOU KNOW, WE ARE STANDING HERE 503 00:15:09,176 --> 00:15:09,874 IN WHERE -- IN WHAT WAS THE 504 00:15:09,877 --> 00:15:11,542 ASPEN FIRE AND, OF COURSE, IT 505 00:15:11,545 --> 00:15:14,078 HAD ITS HUMAN-RELATED TRAGEDY 506 00:15:14,081 --> 00:15:18,383 WITH THE LOSS OF HOMES IN SUMMER 507 00:15:18,386 --> 00:15:21,119 HAVEN, BUT IT ALSO HAD SOME GOOD 508 00:15:21,122 --> 00:15:21,819 BENEFITS TO THE ECOSYSTEM WHICH 509 00:15:21,822 --> 00:15:24,622 IS OUT HERE, WHICH IS ITSELF 510 00:15:24,625 --> 00:15:25,456 ADAPTED TO HAVING FIRE RUN 511 00:15:25,459 --> 00:15:27,725 THROUGH IT. 512 00:15:27,728 --> 00:15:30,695 AND FOR TIME IMMEMORIAL, THIS 513 00:15:30,698 --> 00:15:34,866 FOREST WAS MAINTAINED PRIMARILY 514 00:15:34,869 --> 00:15:35,199 THROUGH FIRE AS THE DISTURBANCE 515 00:15:35,202 --> 00:15:35,933 REGIME. 516 00:15:35,936 --> 00:15:37,802 THE TREES YOU SEEKER THE PLANTS 517 00:15:37,805 --> 00:15:40,204 THAT ARE UP HERE ARE ADAPTED TO 518 00:15:40,207 --> 00:15:42,740 THE FREQUENT FIRE REGIME THAT 519 00:15:42,743 --> 00:15:45,376 COMES THROUGH, CLEANS UP THE 520 00:15:45,379 --> 00:15:47,445 FUELS, CREATE OPENINGS, ALLOWS 521 00:15:47,448 --> 00:15:50,481 LIGHTS TO THE FOREST FLOOR, 522 00:15:50,484 --> 00:15:53,051 RECYCLES NUTRIENTS. 523 00:15:53,054 --> 00:15:55,486 SO, LIFE BRINGS BACK FROM A FIRE 524 00:15:55,489 --> 00:15:56,921 RATHER RAPIDLY. 525 00:15:56,924 --> 00:16:00,992 AND WE SAW THAT HERE, WE SAW A 526 00:16:00,995 --> 00:16:03,695 LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE SENSITIVE 527 00:16:03,698 --> 00:16:04,929 TO FIRE IN THE -- AT THE 528 00:16:04,932 --> 00:16:06,264 BEGINNING OF THE FIRE, WE HAD TO 529 00:16:06,267 --> 00:16:06,564 TAKE SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS FOR 530 00:16:06,567 --> 00:16:08,399 THAT. 531 00:16:08,402 --> 00:16:11,035 BUT OVER TIME, WE HAVE SEEN 532 00:16:11,038 --> 00:16:12,303 AMAZING RECOVERY AND WE HAVE HAD 533 00:16:12,306 --> 00:16:12,670 OPPORTUNITIES TO RESTORE 534 00:16:12,673 --> 00:16:15,573 SPECIES. 535 00:16:15,576 --> 00:16:16,507 >> BEFORE WE GET INTO SOME 536 00:16:16,510 --> 00:16:17,709 SPECIFICS ON THE RECOULD HAVE 537 00:16:17,712 --> 00:16:19,744 RAY LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY LOOK AT 538 00:16:19,747 --> 00:16:21,612 A BIG, THICK, LUSH FOREST AND 539 00:16:21,615 --> 00:16:22,013 SAY, BOY, THAT'S HEALTHY, THAT'S 540 00:16:22,016 --> 00:16:24,148 GREAT. 541 00:16:24,151 --> 00:16:25,483 WE ACTUALLY HAVE EXAMPLES OF 542 00:16:25,486 --> 00:16:27,585 THAT HERE RIGHT BY US. 543 00:16:27,588 --> 00:16:28,119 THAT'S NOT GREAT, AT LEAST FOR 544 00:16:28,122 --> 00:16:28,953 FORESTS HERE. 545 00:16:28,956 --> 00:16:33,558 >> THAT IS CORRECT. 546 00:16:33,561 --> 00:16:36,828 SO AS I SAID BEFORE, THE FIRE 547 00:16:36,831 --> 00:16:37,562 WAS A NATURAL DISDISTURBANCE 548 00:16:37,565 --> 00:16:38,296 REGIME IN HERE, WHICH KEPT THE 549 00:16:38,299 --> 00:16:40,031 FOREST MORE OPEN AND THINNED 550 00:16:40,034 --> 00:16:41,432 THINGS OUT. 551 00:16:41,435 --> 00:16:44,936 OVER THE COURSE OF 100 YEARS, WE 552 00:16:44,939 --> 00:16:47,805 HAVE GOTTEN VERY GOOD AT PUTTING 553 00:16:47,808 --> 00:16:49,841 FIRES OUT AND THE FOREST, AS A 554 00:16:49,844 --> 00:16:51,175 RESULT, GREW UP IN CROWDED 555 00:16:51,178 --> 00:16:53,811 COMPANIES WITH HIGH FUEL LOADS 556 00:16:53,814 --> 00:16:55,179 AND YOU CAN SEE ACROSS VERY 557 00:16:55,182 --> 00:16:58,282 THICK FOREST THAT STILL HASN'T 558 00:16:58,285 --> 00:17:00,651 BEEN TREATED YET. 559 00:17:00,654 --> 00:17:01,319 AND THAT'S IN SORT OF AN 560 00:17:01,322 --> 00:17:02,687 UNNATURAL CONDITION. 561 00:17:02,690 --> 00:17:05,723 AT LEAST UNNATURAL WHEN IT IS 562 00:17:05,726 --> 00:17:07,992 SPREAD OVER EVERY ACRE. 563 00:17:07,995 --> 00:17:11,462 BUT IN THESE CONDITIONS, WE LIKE 564 00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:12,830 TO SEE FIRE RUN THROUGH IN A 565 00:17:12,833 --> 00:17:14,465 MORE FREQUENT PERIOD TO BE ABLE 566 00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:16,100 TO THIN THOSE FORESTS OUT, TO BE 567 00:17:16,103 --> 00:17:17,935 ABLE TO REDUCE THOSE FUELS, 568 00:17:17,938 --> 00:17:19,370 PROVIDE THOSE OPENINGS, AND THAT 569 00:17:19,373 --> 00:17:21,005 BECOMES THE CHALLENGE OF 570 00:17:21,008 --> 00:17:21,372 MANAGEMENT OF OUR NATIONAL 571 00:17:21,375 --> 00:17:24,409 FORESTS. 572 00:17:24,412 --> 00:17:26,778 >> AND WHEN IT COMES TO THINNING 573 00:17:26,781 --> 00:17:27,545 THINGS OUT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 574 00:17:27,548 --> 00:17:29,514 FORESTS, BUT SOMETHING RECENT 575 00:17:29,517 --> 00:17:31,315 LIKE THE HOG FIRE, WHICH AS WE 576 00:17:31,318 --> 00:17:33,518 SAW, TURN INTO A MANAGEMENT, 577 00:17:33,521 --> 00:17:34,018 THAT'S GRASSLANDS THAT'S ALSO 578 00:17:34,021 --> 00:17:38,122 POSITIVE, CORRECT? 579 00:17:38,125 --> 00:17:40,324 >> THAT'S VERY POSITIVE THING. 580 00:17:40,327 --> 00:17:43,261 PRIOR CYCLES NUTRIENTS AND THE 581 00:17:43,264 --> 00:17:45,430 HOG FIRE IS IN -- OCCURRED IN 582 00:17:45,433 --> 00:17:48,766 ECOSYSTEMS THAT NEED THAT 583 00:17:48,769 --> 00:17:49,133 FREQUENT NEWT TRY YES. 584 00:17:49,136 --> 00:17:50,501 RECYCLING. 585 00:17:50,504 --> 00:17:52,603 SO THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY 586 00:17:52,606 --> 00:17:53,037 THERE TO ALLOW FIRE TO PLAY ITS 587 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,472 NATURAL ROLE. 588 00:17:54,475 --> 00:17:55,540 YOU WILL SEE VERY RAPID RESPONSE 589 00:17:55,543 --> 00:17:57,608 TO THAT ALMOST AS SOON AS THE 590 00:17:57,611 --> 00:17:59,644 RAINS GET ON THAT, IT WILL BE 591 00:17:59,647 --> 00:18:01,245 COMING BACK IN LUSH GREEN, WITH 592 00:18:01,248 --> 00:18:04,115 ALL OF THOSE NUTRIENTS RELEASED 593 00:18:04,118 --> 00:18:06,951 BACK INTO THE SOIL, THE PLANTS 594 00:18:06,954 --> 00:18:08,186 IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA ARE 595 00:18:08,189 --> 00:18:09,454 ADAPTED TO TO RESPONDING VERY 596 00:18:09,457 --> 00:18:11,089 QUICKLY TO FIRE. 597 00:18:11,092 --> 00:18:12,223 THEY WILL COME BACK. 598 00:18:12,226 --> 00:18:13,891 THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED ON THE 599 00:18:13,894 --> 00:18:14,892 ASPEN FIRE IN THE LOWER 600 00:18:14,895 --> 00:18:18,062 ELEVATIONS BUT HERE WE ARE UP IN 601 00:18:18,065 --> 00:18:19,964 THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS, SO YOU 602 00:18:19,967 --> 00:18:22,467 SEE RATHER LARGE CHANGES IN 603 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:23,901 CERTAIN AREAS WHERE ALL OF THE 604 00:18:23,904 --> 00:18:26,471 OVERSTORY WAS LOST IN THE AREAS 605 00:18:26,474 --> 00:18:28,306 OF HIGHER INTENSITY AND IT WILL 606 00:18:28,309 --> 00:18:31,542 TAKE SOME TIME, MANY HUNDREDS OF 607 00:18:31,545 --> 00:18:33,578 YEARS FOR THAT TO RESTORE BACK 608 00:18:33,581 --> 00:18:33,945 TO A -- BACK TO A FORESTED 609 00:18:33,948 --> 00:18:37,949 CONDITION. 610 00:18:37,952 --> 00:18:39,317 RIGHT NOW IT'S COMING BACK IN 611 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,885 SHRUBS AND GRASSES. 612 00:18:40,888 --> 00:18:42,353 BUT THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THE 613 00:18:42,356 --> 00:18:44,255 INTENSITY WAS LESS, IT CLEANED 614 00:18:44,258 --> 00:18:47,558 OUT THE SHRUBS UNDERNEATH AND 615 00:18:47,561 --> 00:18:49,494 CREATED OPENINGS HERE AND THERE 616 00:18:49,497 --> 00:18:51,095 AND LIFE IS BEING RESTORED QUITE 617 00:18:51,098 --> 00:18:51,362 WELL WELL TO THE MOUNTAIN RIGHT 618 00:18:51,365 --> 00:18:53,798 NOW. 619 00:18:53,801 --> 00:18:55,967 >> BEN IT COMES TO REGROWTH, 620 00:18:55,970 --> 00:18:57,769 ESPECIALLY OF TREES, WE ARE 621 00:18:57,772 --> 00:19:01,139 GONNA SEE, AS SOME PEOPLE CALL 622 00:19:01,142 --> 00:19:03,875 THEM, THE TOOTH PICKS THE PINE 623 00:19:03,878 --> 00:19:05,076 TREES, THE CONIFERS, THEY ARE 624 00:19:05,079 --> 00:19:05,610 NOT GOING AWAY, BUT THE OAKS ARE 625 00:19:05,613 --> 00:19:07,278 COMING BACK. 626 00:19:07,281 --> 00:19:08,546 >> THE DEAD STANDING TREES WILL 627 00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:09,714 STAY THERE UNTIL THEY FALL DOWN, 628 00:19:09,717 --> 00:19:11,916 THEY WILL ROT AND THEIR 629 00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:13,451 NUTRIENTS GO BACK INTO THE SOIL. 630 00:19:13,454 --> 00:19:14,719 THE SEED BANK THAT IS THERE WILL 631 00:19:14,722 --> 00:19:15,787 RESPROUT AND YOU WILL SEE 632 00:19:15,790 --> 00:19:17,522 CONIFERS COMING IN. 633 00:19:17,525 --> 00:19:19,190 BUT IN THIS -- IN THIS HABITAT 634 00:19:19,193 --> 00:19:21,459 WHERE WE ARE STANDING, YOU SEE 635 00:19:21,462 --> 00:19:22,794 IT'S A PINE OAK WOODLAND AND THE 636 00:19:22,797 --> 00:19:26,030 OAKS BURN DOWN TO THE GROUND 637 00:19:26,033 --> 00:19:27,432 DURING THAT FIRE. 638 00:19:27,435 --> 00:19:29,734 BUT THEY ARE ABLE TO COME BACK 639 00:19:29,737 --> 00:19:31,669 FROM THE ROOT CROWN AND REGROW. 640 00:19:31,672 --> 00:19:33,705 YOU WILL SEE THEM NOW 12 YEARS 641 00:19:33,708 --> 00:19:36,207 HENCE, THEY ARE OVER OUR HEADS, 642 00:19:36,210 --> 00:19:37,442 THERE ARE SHRUBS OVER OUR HEADS 643 00:19:37,445 --> 00:19:39,410 ALREADY AS A RESULT OF THE FIRE, 644 00:19:39,413 --> 00:19:39,744 YOU KNOW, NUTRIENT CYCLING IN 645 00:19:39,747 --> 00:19:40,912 THERE. 646 00:19:40,915 --> 00:19:43,848 YOU CAN STILL SEE THE BLACK 647 00:19:43,851 --> 00:19:45,750 STUMPS UNDERNEATH IN THOSE 648 00:19:45,753 --> 00:19:46,951 SHRUBS, THE BLACK MARKS ON THE 649 00:19:46,954 --> 00:19:48,519 CONNIFFERS AROUND THEM. 650 00:19:48,522 --> 00:19:49,721 IT'S ALL PART OF THE NATURAL 651 00:19:49,724 --> 00:19:54,425 PROCESS THAT OCCURS. 652 00:19:54,428 --> 00:19:55,960 >> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT 653 00:19:55,963 --> 00:19:57,729 FOREST AND PLANT, BUT PART OF 654 00:19:57,732 --> 00:19:59,697 THE FOREST WERE AN MAPS AND 655 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:02,066 POSITIVES PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW 656 00:20:02,069 --> 00:20:03,134 ABOUT WITH THE ASPEN FIRE AND 657 00:20:03,137 --> 00:20:05,236 PROBABLY FIRE IN GENERAL BUT WE 658 00:20:05,239 --> 00:20:05,603 CAN USE THE ASPEN FIRE AS OUR 659 00:20:05,606 --> 00:20:07,605 EXAMPLE. 660 00:20:07,608 --> 00:20:09,307 >> CERTAINLY, A GREAT DIVERSITY 661 00:20:09,310 --> 00:20:11,142 OF YOU LIFE ON THE SANTA 662 00:20:11,145 --> 00:20:13,044 CATALINA RANGER DISTRICT AND THE 663 00:20:13,047 --> 00:20:15,646 ASPEN FIRE POSED SOME CHALLENGES 664 00:20:15,649 --> 00:20:17,515 AND SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES. 665 00:20:17,518 --> 00:20:20,585 THE FIRST CHALLENGE WAS EARLY ON 666 00:20:20,588 --> 00:20:22,854 IN THE FIRE, THIS HIGH IN THE 667 00:20:22,857 --> 00:20:26,824 WATERSHED OF THE CREEK, WE LOST 668 00:20:26,827 --> 00:20:28,426 A LOT OF TREES, A LOT OF ASH WAS 669 00:20:28,429 --> 00:20:29,861 ON THE GROUND, THE RAINS WERE 670 00:20:29,864 --> 00:20:33,264 COMING AND WE RECOGNIZED THAT A 671 00:20:33,267 --> 00:20:37,735 FEDERALLY LISTED ENDANGERED FISH 672 00:20:37,738 --> 00:20:38,469 SPECIES, THE GILA CHUB, AT RISK 673 00:20:38,472 --> 00:20:40,438 WHEN THE RAPES CAME AND PUT ALL 674 00:20:40,441 --> 00:20:41,406 THAT ASH IN THE WATER. 675 00:20:41,409 --> 00:20:42,607 WE COORDINATED WITH OUR PARTNER 676 00:20:42,610 --> 00:20:45,109 AGENCY, ARIZONA GAME AND FISH 677 00:20:45,112 --> 00:20:47,812 WHO IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED AND 678 00:20:47,815 --> 00:20:50,581 SCRAMBLED, WENT DOWN INTO SABINO 679 00:20:50,584 --> 00:20:52,016 CREEK AND SALVAGED 900 GILA 680 00:20:52,019 --> 00:20:53,951 CHUBS OUT OF THERE, PUT THEM 681 00:20:53,954 --> 00:20:57,255 INTO HATCHERIES AND THE MUSEUMS, 682 00:20:57,258 --> 00:20:58,322 OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT, TO KEEP 683 00:20:58,325 --> 00:20:59,624 THEM UNTIL AFTER RAIN, WHICH 684 00:20:59,627 --> 00:21:01,826 BROUGHT DOWN THE ASH AND KILLED 685 00:21:01,829 --> 00:21:03,695 THE REMAINING CHUB IN THE CREEK. 686 00:21:03,698 --> 00:21:04,962 BUT A COUPLE YEARS LATER, HAD 687 00:21:04,965 --> 00:21:07,332 WASHED OUT THE SYSTEM, WE WERE 688 00:21:07,335 --> 00:21:09,967 ABLE TO PUT THEM BACK. 689 00:21:09,970 --> 00:21:11,269 AND NOT ONLY HAD THAT BEEN AN 690 00:21:11,272 --> 00:21:13,471 EX-HELP OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE 691 00:21:13,474 --> 00:21:15,540 THEM BUT THE ASH HAD CLEANED OUT 692 00:21:15,543 --> 00:21:19,977 THE NON-NATIVE FISH, WRITE A 693 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:23,014 THREAT TO THE SPECIES ITSELF. 694 00:21:23,017 --> 00:21:25,283 SUBSEQUENTLY, CRAYFISH, WHICH 695 00:21:25,286 --> 00:21:27,251 WERE ALSO A THREAT TO THE 696 00:21:27,254 --> 00:21:28,986 SPECIES, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE 697 00:21:28,989 --> 00:21:32,090 NO NATIVE FISH THERE ALSO 698 00:21:32,093 --> 00:21:34,959 PUTTING PRESSURE ON GILA CHUB, 699 00:21:34,962 --> 00:21:36,494 THE GILA CHUB APPEARED TO 700 00:21:36,497 --> 00:21:38,896 ERADICATE THE CRAYFISH. 701 00:21:38,899 --> 00:21:41,399 SABINO CREEK HAS BEEN FREE OF 702 00:21:41,402 --> 00:21:44,268 NON-NATIVES SINCE ABOUT 2005. 703 00:21:44,271 --> 00:21:46,537 IT'S A GREAT SUCCESS STORY. 704 00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:49,407 NOW, OTHER SUCCESS STORIES UP 705 00:21:49,410 --> 00:21:52,944 HERE INCLUDE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT 706 00:21:52,947 --> 00:21:54,712 WITH THE BEAR TEAM, COMING IN 707 00:21:54,715 --> 00:21:57,915 AND DOING BAIL BOMBING AND 708 00:21:57,918 --> 00:21:59,650 RECEDING, IT CREATED CONDITIONS 709 00:21:59,653 --> 00:22:01,919 OUT THERE WHERE SMALL MAMMAL 710 00:22:01,922 --> 00:22:03,087 POPULATIONS WERE ABLE TO 711 00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:04,956 EXPLODE. 712 00:22:04,959 --> 00:22:06,491 THERE WAS A GREAT MANY FORTS, 713 00:22:06,494 --> 00:22:08,393 THERE WAS A LOT OF SEEDS 714 00:22:08,396 --> 00:22:09,827 AVAILABLE FOR THEM. 715 00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:11,429 AND SO THEIR POPULATIONS DREW 716 00:22:11,432 --> 00:22:13,364 AND ON TOP OF THEM, THEIR 717 00:22:13,367 --> 00:22:13,665 PREDATORS WERE ABLE TO DO VERY 718 00:22:13,668 --> 00:22:15,333 WELL. 719 00:22:15,336 --> 00:22:16,567 ONE OF THOSE PREDATORS IS THE 720 00:22:16,570 --> 00:22:19,837 MEXICAN SPOTTED OWL. 721 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:20,238 AGAIN, FEDERALLY LISTED AS 722 00:22:20,241 --> 00:22:24,008 THREATENED. 723 00:22:24,011 --> 00:22:26,511 AND THAT SPECIES UP HERE HAD 724 00:22:26,514 --> 00:22:27,945 SOME OF ITS BEST REPRODUCTIVE 725 00:22:27,948 --> 00:22:28,746 YEARS ON RECORD IN YEARS 726 00:22:28,749 --> 00:22:30,481 SUBSEQUENT TO THE ASPEN FIRE. 727 00:22:30,484 --> 00:22:32,850 THAT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THAT WE 728 00:22:32,853 --> 00:22:34,719 GOT WONDERFUL RAINFALL FOR A 729 00:22:34,722 --> 00:22:36,587 COUPLE OF YEARS THEREAFTER. 730 00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:39,023 SO THE COMBINATION OF EVENT. 731 00:22:39,026 --> 00:22:40,825 THE RESTORATION ACTIVITIES AND 732 00:22:40,828 --> 00:22:42,760 VERY FORTUNATE RAINFALL MEANT 733 00:22:42,763 --> 00:22:44,295 THAT THE SPOTTED OWL DID FAIRLY 734 00:22:44,298 --> 00:22:47,565 WELL THEREAFTER. 735 00:22:47,568 --> 00:22:48,333 THAT ALSO IS THE SAME CASE FOR 736 00:22:48,336 --> 00:22:50,168 THE NORTHERN GOT HAWK. 737 00:22:50,171 --> 00:22:52,170 TO THIS DAY, WE STILL SEE 738 00:22:52,173 --> 00:22:53,237 IMPROVEMENTS IN THINGS LIKE 739 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,139 WHITE TAILED DEER. 740 00:22:55,142 --> 00:22:56,808 THEIR POPULATIONS HAVE GROWN 741 00:22:56,811 --> 00:22:59,010 AND, AGAIN, ARIZONA GAME AND 742 00:22:59,013 --> 00:23:01,879 FISH MONITORS THEM EVERY YEAR 743 00:23:01,882 --> 00:23:05,983 AND THEY HAVE HAD VERY POSITIVE 744 00:23:05,986 --> 00:23:09,020 RESULTS, A GREAT DEAL OF FAWN, 745 00:23:09,023 --> 00:23:11,723 THE FAWN-TO-DOE RATIO IS VERY 746 00:23:11,726 --> 00:23:14,359 HIGH ON THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE. 747 00:23:14,362 --> 00:23:15,927 IT SAYS IT POSITIVE AS A RESULT 748 00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:19,697 OF THE ECOLOGICAL CHANGES WHICH 749 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:21,265 HAVE OCCURRED MORE OPENINGS, 750 00:23:21,268 --> 00:23:22,166 MORE AVAILABLE SPECIES, MORE 751 00:23:22,169 --> 00:23:23,568 FOOD FOR THEM. 752 00:23:23,571 --> 00:23:25,403 IT ALSO OPENED UP THE 753 00:23:25,406 --> 00:23:30,074 OPPORTUNITY TO RESTORE A SPECIES 754 00:23:30,077 --> 00:23:32,076 OF TURKEY THAT HAD NOT BEEN HERE 755 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:36,881 FOR 50 YEARS. 756 00:23:36,884 --> 00:23:38,449 AND GAME AND FISH AND FOREST 757 00:23:38,452 --> 00:23:39,717 SERVICE HELPED TO RESTORE THOSE 758 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,452 TO THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE AND THEY 759 00:23:41,455 --> 00:23:43,287 ARE THRIVING BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE 760 00:23:43,290 --> 00:23:49,227 A MORE DIVERSE HABITAT AND 761 00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:49,594 GREATER RESOURCES FOR THEM TO 762 00:23:49,597 --> 00:23:50,328 LIVE WITH. 763 00:23:50,331 --> 00:23:52,030 OF COURSE, ON TOP OF THOSE KIND 764 00:23:52,033 --> 00:23:55,433 OF SPECIES THEN, JUST LIKE WITH 765 00:23:55,436 --> 00:23:57,335 THE SMALL MAMMALS AND THEIR 766 00:23:57,338 --> 00:23:59,570 PREDATORS, THE GOT HAWKS AND THE 767 00:23:59,573 --> 00:24:02,140 SPOTTED OWLS WERE ABLE TO 768 00:24:02,143 --> 00:24:03,508 THRIVE, WE HAVE THE LARGER 769 00:24:03,511 --> 00:24:05,410 TURKEYS HERE, SO OTHER PREDATORS 770 00:24:05,413 --> 00:24:07,645 ARE ABLE TO THRIVE, ALSO A VERY 771 00:24:07,648 --> 00:24:10,481 HEALTHY MOUNTAIN LION, BOBCALITY 772 00:24:10,484 --> 00:24:11,082 AND COYOTE POPULATION ON THIS 773 00:24:11,085 --> 00:24:14,318 MOUNTAIN AS A RESULT. 774 00:24:14,321 --> 00:24:16,120 AND ALL OF THESE BENEFITS HAVE 775 00:24:16,123 --> 00:24:19,190 ACCRUED BECAUSE OF THE ROLE THAT 776 00:24:19,193 --> 00:24:19,891 FIRE PLAYS IN MANAGING FORESTS 777 00:24:19,894 --> 00:24:21,326 NATURALLY. 778 00:24:21,329 --> 00:24:23,795 AGAIN, IN AN ECOSYSTEM LIKE 779 00:24:23,798 --> 00:24:26,698 THIS, FIRE IS NATURAL. 780 00:24:26,701 --> 00:24:28,166 AND WHILE IT SCARCE PEOPLE, 781 00:24:28,169 --> 00:24:30,535 THREATENS HOMES AND BUSINESSES, 782 00:24:30,538 --> 00:24:32,570 AS IT DID HERE AND IT HAS IN 783 00:24:32,573 --> 00:24:34,605 MANY OTHER PLACES, IT'S PART OF 784 00:24:34,608 --> 00:24:34,972 THE SYSTEM AND IT NEEDS TO BE 785 00:24:34,975 --> 00:24:35,773 MANAGED. 786 00:24:35,776 --> 00:24:38,009 >> THAT'S CORRECT. 787 00:24:38,012 --> 00:24:40,712 WE TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE CAN 788 00:24:40,715 --> 00:24:41,813 TO ALLOW FIRE TO PLAY ITS 789 00:24:41,816 --> 00:24:44,248 NATURAL ROLE. 790 00:24:44,251 --> 00:24:45,683 NOW, IF THERE IS A HUMAN-CAUSED 791 00:24:45,686 --> 00:24:47,518 FIRE, WE SUPPRESS THOSE. 792 00:24:47,521 --> 00:24:49,887 BUT IN THE CASE WHERE WE HAVE 793 00:24:49,890 --> 00:24:51,889 NATURAL IGNITIONS, PERHAPS FROM 794 00:24:51,892 --> 00:24:53,224 LIGHTNING, WE HAVE HAD SOME 795 00:24:53,227 --> 00:24:55,460 OPPORTUNITIES, EVEN ON THIS 796 00:24:55,463 --> 00:24:56,194 DISTRICT, TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW 797 00:24:56,197 --> 00:24:58,629 THINGS TO GO. 798 00:24:58,632 --> 00:25:01,099 THE GUTHRIE FIRE OF 2012, I 799 00:25:01,102 --> 00:25:01,833 BELIEVE, WENT TO ABOUT 5,000 800 00:25:01,836 --> 00:25:03,201 ACRES OF TREATMENT. 801 00:25:03,204 --> 00:25:04,869 YOU HAVE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT THE 802 00:25:04,872 --> 00:25:06,571 HOG FIRE, THAT'S GREAT 803 00:25:06,574 --> 00:25:08,673 OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW FAIR TO 804 00:25:08,676 --> 00:25:09,073 PLAY ITS NATURAL ROLE IN THE 805 00:25:09,076 --> 00:25:10,141 ECOSYSTEM. 806 00:25:10,144 --> 00:25:11,075 THESE ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES WE 807 00:25:11,078 --> 00:25:14,612 LOOK FOR. 808 00:25:14,615 --> 00:25:16,280 WE HAVE TO WEIGH A LOT OF 809 00:25:16,283 --> 00:25:18,649 THINGS, WHAT VALUES ARE AT RISK 810 00:25:18,652 --> 00:25:19,317 IS IT IN A GOOD PLACE FOR US TO 811 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,952 MANAGE IT? 812 00:25:20,955 --> 00:25:21,686 ARE CONDITIONS RIGHT FOR US TO 813 00:25:21,689 --> 00:25:23,154 MANAGE IT? 814 00:25:23,157 --> 00:25:24,489 DO WE HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES TO 815 00:25:24,492 --> 00:25:26,791 BE ABLE TO MANAGE IT? 816 00:25:26,794 --> 00:25:30,128 THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT PLAY 817 00:25:30,131 --> 00:25:32,130 INTO OUR DECISIONS TO DECIDE 818 00:25:32,133 --> 00:25:34,832 WHETHER TO ALLOW FIRE TO PLAY A 819 00:25:34,835 --> 00:25:35,166 NATURAL ROLE FOR ANY GIVEN 820 00:25:35,169 --> 00:25:37,402 START. 821 00:25:37,405 --> 00:25:39,804 >> BATTLING WILD FIRES AND 822 00:25:39,807 --> 00:25:40,471 CONTROLLING THEM IS COMPLICATED 823 00:25:40,474 --> 00:25:43,708 WORK. 824 00:25:43,711 --> 00:25:44,475 LORRAINE RIVERA HAS OUR NEXT 825 00:25:44,478 --> 00:25:45,376 SEGMENT. 826 00:25:45,379 --> 00:25:47,412 >> Reporter: WHITE THING SPARKED 827 00:25:47,415 --> 00:25:48,246 THE BUSTER MOUNTAIN FIRE IN 828 00:25:48,249 --> 00:25:50,181 CATALINA STATE PARK THIS WEEK 829 00:25:50,184 --> 00:25:50,915 AND THE FOREST SERVICE IS 830 00:25:50,918 --> 00:25:52,950 LETTING IT BURN. 831 00:25:52,953 --> 00:25:54,552 >> I'M NOT CONCERNED BECAUSE I 832 00:25:54,555 --> 00:25:55,920 KNOW THAT A PART OF THE 833 00:25:55,923 --> 00:25:56,254 ECOSYSTEM IS REGROWTH FROM 834 00:25:56,257 --> 00:25:58,589 FIRES. 835 00:25:58,592 --> 00:26:00,124 SO I THINK IT'S JUST TO LET THE 836 00:26:00,127 --> 00:26:01,359 NATURE DO ITS OWN THING. 837 00:26:01,362 --> 00:26:03,594 >> Reporter: JUST MORE THAN 200 838 00:26:03,597 --> 00:26:04,495 ACRES HAVE BURNED IN WHAT'S 839 00:26:04,498 --> 00:26:06,564 CONSIDERED ARDUOUS TERRAIN. 840 00:26:06,567 --> 00:26:07,765 >> IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO HIKE. 841 00:26:07,768 --> 00:26:09,867 IT'S NOT ON ANY TRAIL. 842 00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:11,869 IT CAME CLOSE TO THE ROMERO 843 00:26:11,872 --> 00:26:13,037 TRAIL BUT DIDN'T REACH IT. 844 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,073 >> Reporter: JOE FUSS SKOAL A 845 00:26:15,076 --> 00:26:16,908 REGULAR HIKER. 846 00:26:16,911 --> 00:26:19,077 >> I WAS UP RIGHT AROUND THE 847 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,945 CORNER AND I GOT MY BINOCULARS 848 00:26:20,948 --> 00:26:22,413 OUT AND WATCHED IT CLIMB IN THE 849 00:26:22,416 --> 00:26:23,481 HILL AND IT WAS DEVASTATING THE 850 00:26:23,484 --> 00:26:25,216 TREES AS IT WENT UP. 851 00:26:25,219 --> 00:26:26,718 IT REALLY WAS PRETTY SAD. 852 00:26:26,721 --> 00:26:28,786 >> Reporter: THE FOREST SERVICE 853 00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:30,221 SAYS THAT FIRE ACTUALLY BENEFITS 854 00:26:30,224 --> 00:26:33,424 ECOSYSTEM AND FOR THAT REASON, 855 00:26:33,427 --> 00:26:34,058 CREWS ARE NOT BATTLING THE 856 00:26:34,061 --> 00:26:35,593 FLAMES, THOUGH THE FOREST 857 00:26:35,596 --> 00:26:37,328 SERVICE IS ACTIVELY MONITORING 858 00:26:37,331 --> 00:26:39,297 ITS PROGRESS THE HEAVY RAINFALL 859 00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:41,165 HAS HELPED CONTAIN THE FIRES. 860 00:26:41,168 --> 00:26:42,367 >> THAT WAS A CONVERSATION MY 861 00:26:42,370 --> 00:26:43,901 WIFE AND I HAD, HOW COME THEY 862 00:26:43,904 --> 00:26:48,606 ARE NOT PUTTING IT OUT BECAUSE 863 00:26:48,609 --> 00:26:49,841 OF THE BIG FIRE BACK IN 864 00:26:49,844 --> 00:26:51,309 2000/2001, OUR THOUGHTS WERE WHY 865 00:26:51,312 --> 00:26:51,609 DON'T DO YOU SOMETHING RIGHT 866 00:26:51,612 --> 00:26:52,910 AWAY? 867 00:26:52,913 --> 00:26:53,945 WOULDN'T THEY JUMP AND PUT IT 868 00:26:53,948 --> 00:26:56,247 OUT RIGHT AWAY? 869 00:26:56,250 --> 00:26:56,914 THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD 870 00:26:56,917 --> 00:26:58,282 AMONGST OURSELVES. 871 00:26:58,285 --> 00:26:59,017 THE NEXT DAY WITH HE HAD 872 00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:01,386 CONVERSATIONS WITH FRIENDS AND 873 00:27:01,389 --> 00:27:02,920 WE GOT A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, 874 00:27:02,923 --> 00:27:03,187 WHY NOT LET IT BURN? 875 00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:04,522 >>. 876 00:27:04,525 --> 00:27:06,157 >> Reporter: THE FOREST SERVICE 877 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,759 SAYS NO STRUCTURES OR VALUE ARE 878 00:27:07,762 --> 00:27:09,293 AT RISK, SO THIS IS ABOUT 879 00:27:09,296 --> 00:27:10,662 LETTING NATURE RUN ITS COURSE 880 00:27:10,665 --> 00:27:11,029 WHILE CLEARING FIRE FUEL IN THE 881 00:27:11,032 --> 00:27:14,832 PROCESS. 882 00:27:14,835 --> 00:27:16,534 >> I LIKE TO -- I LIKE TO 883 00:27:16,537 --> 00:27:17,902 BELIEVE THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL OR 884 00:27:17,905 --> 00:27:19,570 WHOEVER IS -- THE RANGERS ARE 885 00:27:19,573 --> 00:27:20,905 PAYING ATTENTION, ARE WATCHING 886 00:27:20,908 --> 00:27:22,240 IT, IT IS NOT JUST -- THEY ARE 887 00:27:22,243 --> 00:27:23,908 SITTING BACK SAYING, GEE, LOOK 888 00:27:23,911 --> 00:27:25,943 AT THAT, TOO, I'M EXPECTING THEM 889 00:27:25,946 --> 00:27:26,544 TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS 890 00:27:26,547 --> 00:27:29,681 OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE. 891 00:27:29,684 --> 00:27:30,515 IT MIGHT HAVE LOOKED BIG TO US, 892 00:27:30,518 --> 00:27:31,049 BUT TO THEM, IT WAS A SMALL, 893 00:27:31,052 --> 00:27:35,253 CONTAINED FIRE. 894 00:27:35,256 --> 00:27:35,687 SO IT'S UNDERSTANDING THAT 895 00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:37,255 PERSPECTIVE. 896 00:27:37,258 --> 00:27:39,657 >> AND THAT'S ALL FOR THIS 897 00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:40,725 EDITION OF "ARIZONA WEEK." 898 00:27:40,728 --> 00:27:41,225 I'M CHRISTOPHER CONOVER.