WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:08.407 >>> BRING IT BACK, A TRANSLOCATION PROJECT MONTHS IN 00:08.409 --> 00:09.341 TRANSLOCATION PROJECT MONTHS IN THE MAKING ALREADY IGNITING A 00:09.343 --> 00:11.744 THE MAKING ALREADY IGNITING A FIRESTORM OF EMOTIONS. 00:11.746 --> 00:13.746 FIRESTORM OF EMOTIONS. >> THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE 00:13.748 --> 00:14.613 >> THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE SPECIES THAT THEY WANT, THEY 00:14.615 --> 00:17.049 SPECIES THAT THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE SPECIES THAT 00:17.051 --> 00:18.150 WANT TO REMOVE THE SPECIES THAT INTERFERE WITH THIS POPULATION 00:18.152 --> 00:20.619 INTERFERE WITH THIS POPULATION THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE. 00:20.621 --> 00:22.788 THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE. AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE 00:22.790 --> 00:24.490 AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND 00:24.492 --> 00:25.824 COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND 00:25.826 --> 00:28.961 KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO THE 00:28.963 --> 00:29.361 FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO THE WILDERNESS. 00:29.363 --> 00:30.295 WILDERNESS. >> DUST AND LIGHT. 00:30.297 --> 00:31.463 >> DUST AND LIGHT. THE ARIZONA FISH AND GAME 00:31.465 --> 00:32.698 THE ARIZONA FISH AND GAME DEPARTMENT STANDING BY ITS PLAN 00:32.700 --> 00:33.665 DEPARTMENT STANDING BY ITS PLAN AND DEFENDING ITS MISSION. 00:33.667 --> 00:35.134 AND DEFENDING ITS MISSION. >> WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE 00:35.136 --> 00:40.506 >> WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE TWO NEW LANDS AS OF TODAY. 00:40.508 --> 00:41.573 TWO NEW LANDS AS OF TODAY. TWO NEW LAMBS. 00:41.575 --> 00:42.708 TWO NEW LAMBS. THEY'RE ABOUT A MONTH EACH. 00:42.710 --> 00:44.943 THEY'RE ABOUT A MONTH EACH. THAT'S TO PROVE THEY MADE IT FOR 00:44.945 --> 00:45.277 THAT'S TO PROVE THEY MADE IT FOR A MONTH. 00:45.279 --> 00:46.378 A MONTH. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. 00:46.380 --> 00:47.780 THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. >> FOR THE FIRST TIME THE PUBLIC 00:47.782 --> 00:48.947 >> FOR THE FIRST TIME THE PUBLIC HEARS FROM THE WILDLIFE EXPERTS 00:48.949 --> 00:50.416 HEARS FROM THE WILDLIFE EXPERTS BEHIND THE PROJECT. 00:50.418 --> 01:01.260 BEHIND THE PROJECT. THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." 01:01.262 --> 01:15.707 >>> BIG HORN SHEEP ARE NATIVE TO ARIZONA AND DECADES AGO THRIVED 01:15.709 --> 01:17.376 ARIZONA AND DECADES AGO THRIVED IN THE CATALINA MOUNTAIN RANGE. 01:17.378 --> 01:18.644 IN THE CATALINA MOUNTAIN RANGE. BUT THE HERD DIED OFF. 01:18.646 --> 01:20.412 BUT THE HERD DIED OFF. THEN ARIZONA GAME AND FISH 01:20.414 --> 01:21.947 THEN ARIZONA GAME AND FISH DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO BRING IN 01:21.949 --> 01:23.148 DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO BRING IN A NEW HERD. 01:23.150 --> 01:23.816 A NEW HERD. A PROJECT FOUR YEARS IN THE 01:23.818 --> 01:25.651 A PROJECT FOUR YEARS IN THE MAKING. 01:25.653 --> 01:28.187 MAKING. HERE NOW IS A MAN BEHIND THAT 01:28.189 --> 01:31.056 HERE NOW IS A MAN BEHIND THAT PROJECT, RAUL VEGA, REGION FIVE 01:31.058 --> 01:31.790 PROJECT, RAUL VEGA, REGION FIVE SUPERVISOR FOR ARIZONA GAME AND 01:31.792 --> 01:34.026 SUPERVISOR FOR ARIZONA GAME AND FISH. 01:34.028 --> 01:35.861 FISH. >> IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW 01:35.863 --> 01:38.430 >> IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW CHALLENGES SINCE THE TIME WE 01:38.432 --> 01:38.831 CHALLENGES SINCE THE TIME WE STARTED. 01:38.833 --> 01:40.332 STARTED. I THINK, LIKE YOU MENTION, 01:40.334 --> 01:42.401 I THINK, LIKE YOU MENTION, HAVING A REALLY GOOD SOURCE 01:42.403 --> 01:44.236 HAVING A REALLY GOOD SOURCE POPULATION WHERE WE CAN GET THE 01:44.238 --> 01:45.037 POPULATION WHERE WE CAN GET THE SHEEP FROM. 01:45.039 --> 01:45.904 SHEEP FROM. THE OTHER THING WAS, WAS IT THE 01:45.906 --> 01:48.874 THE OTHER THING WAS, WAS IT THE RIGHT TIME? 01:48.876 --> 01:50.776 RIGHT TIME? AND THE OTHER -- THAT WE HAVE A 01:50.778 --> 01:52.411 AND THE OTHER -- THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT 01:52.413 --> 01:54.513 PROCESS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT THAT PUT US AT THE VERY TOP. 01:54.515 --> 01:56.849 THAT PUT US AT THE VERY TOP. AND IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS JUST 01:56.851 --> 01:58.016 AND IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS JUST THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT 01:58.018 --> 02:00.953 THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT THIS YEAR. 02:00.955 --> 02:02.454 THIS YEAR. AND THAT IS -- VARIOUS OTHER 02:02.456 --> 02:03.188 AND THAT IS -- VARIOUS OTHER REASONS, OF COURSE. 02:03.190 --> 02:03.956 REASONS, OF COURSE. THAT'S INCLUDING SOME OF THE 02:03.958 --> 02:05.357 THAT'S INCLUDING SOME OF THE MOST RECENT FIRES THAT WE HAD IN 02:05.359 --> 02:07.593 MOST RECENT FIRES THAT WE HAD IN THE MOUNTAIN RANGE THERE, IN THE 02:07.595 --> 02:09.027 THE MOUNTAIN RANGE THERE, IN THE CATALINAS, THAT ALLOW US TO DO 02:09.029 --> 02:09.361 CATALINAS, THAT ALLOW US TO DO THIS. 02:09.363 --> 02:10.762 THIS. IT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE 02:10.764 --> 02:11.063 IT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIME. 02:11.065 --> 02:12.431 TIME. >> YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT 02:12.433 --> 02:15.734 >> YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT CAPTURE OF THE HERD IN THE YUMA 02:15.736 --> 02:17.736 CAPTURE OF THE HERD IN THE YUMA AREA AND YOU SAW TO IT THEY WERE 02:17.738 --> 02:18.103 AREA AND YOU SAW TO IT THEY WERE RELOCATED. 02:18.105 --> 02:19.905 RELOCATED. CAN YOU DESCRIBE LOGISTICALLY 02:19.907 --> 02:21.273 CAN YOU DESCRIBE LOGISTICALLY WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEING THERE TO 02:21.275 --> 02:21.974 WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEING THERE TO WATCH IT HAPPEN? 02:21.976 --> 02:23.041 WATCH IT HAPPEN? >> YES. 02:23.043 --> 02:24.543 >> YES. IT WAS A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE 02:24.545 --> 02:25.410 IT WAS A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR ME. 02:25.412 --> 02:28.380 FOR ME. I THINK THE FACT I WAS ABLE TO 02:28.382 --> 02:29.381 I THINK THE FACT I WAS ABLE TO SEE THESE ANIMALS ON THE GROUND 02:29.383 --> 02:32.718 SEE THESE ANIMALS ON THE GROUND AND BE ABLE TO JUST HAVE THAT 02:32.720 --> 02:34.353 AND BE ABLE TO JUST HAVE THAT CONNECTION, TOUCH THEM, PUT THE 02:34.355 --> 02:36.021 CONNECTION, TOUCH THEM, PUT THE COLLARS, GPS COLLARS ON THEM, 02:36.023 --> 02:37.456 COLLARS, GPS COLLARS ON THEM, LOAD THEM UP TO THE TRAILERS TO 02:37.458 --> 02:38.624 LOAD THEM UP TO THE TRAILERS TO BRING THEM OVER HERE. 02:38.626 --> 02:41.226 BRING THEM OVER HERE. IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR 02:41.228 --> 02:41.493 IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR ME. 02:41.495 --> 02:44.930 ME. AND I THINK THAT GAVE ME A VERY 02:44.932 --> 02:45.597 AND I THINK THAT GAVE ME A VERY GOOD SENSE THAT THIS IS THE 02:45.599 --> 02:47.633 GOOD SENSE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 02:47.635 --> 02:49.301 RIGHT THING TO DO. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO 02:49.303 --> 02:50.736 >> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, THAT 02:50.738 --> 02:51.803 WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, THAT WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT 02:51.805 --> 02:52.638 WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 02:52.640 --> 02:54.740 THING TO DO. BUT YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR 02:54.742 --> 02:56.108 BUT YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR EDUCATION, IS IN WILDLIFE 02:56.110 --> 02:56.742 EDUCATION, IS IN WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT. 02:56.744 --> 02:57.476 MANAGEMENT. DESCRIBE WHY THIS WAS IMPORTANT 02:57.478 --> 02:58.911 DESCRIBE WHY THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU. 02:58.913 --> 03:03.148 TO YOU. >> OUR DEPARTMENT HAS SOME 03:03.150 --> 03:04.049 >> OUR DEPARTMENT HAS SOME MISSIONS LIKE ANY OTHER 03:04.051 --> 03:04.449 MISSIONS LIKE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT. 03:04.451 --> 03:06.051 DEPARTMENT. OUR MISSION IS TO RESTORE NATIVE 03:06.053 --> 03:08.053 OUR MISSION IS TO RESTORE NATIVE WILDLIFE POPULATIONS ANYWHERE 03:08.055 --> 03:08.687 WILDLIFE POPULATIONS ANYWHERE THAT WE CAN. 03:08.689 --> 03:12.024 THAT WE CAN. MY BACKGROUND AS A WILDLIFE 03:12.026 --> 03:12.991 MY BACKGROUND AS A WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST AND WILDLIFE 03:12.993 --> 03:13.992 BIOLOGIST AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT IS WHAT I DO. 03:13.994 --> 03:16.495 MANAGEMENT IS WHAT I DO. IT'S MY PASSION. 03:16.497 --> 03:19.164 IT'S MY PASSION. I THINK THAT HAVING THIS 03:19.166 --> 03:20.265 I THINK THAT HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN ONE OF THE 03:20.267 --> 03:21.400 OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN ONE OF THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME 03:21.402 --> 03:24.603 GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT. 03:24.605 --> 03:25.604 AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT. WITH THIS NEW PROCESS AND 03:25.606 --> 03:27.172 WITH THIS NEW PROCESS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. 03:27.174 --> 03:29.141 EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. IT'S JUST -- IT'S REALLY AMAZING 03:29.143 --> 03:30.842 IT'S JUST -- IT'S REALLY AMAZING HOW FAR WE'VE COME ON THIS. 03:30.844 --> 03:32.945 HOW FAR WE'VE COME ON THIS. >> YOU HAVE LOST SOME SHEEP UP 03:32.947 --> 03:34.379 >> YOU HAVE LOST SOME SHEEP UP THERE TO MOUNTAIN LIONS. 03:34.381 --> 03:35.214 THERE TO MOUNTAIN LIONS. WAS THAT A SURPRISE TO YOU? 03:35.216 --> 03:38.951 WAS THAT A SURPRISE TO YOU? >> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE. 03:38.953 --> 03:41.553 >> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE. IT IS A SURPRISE ON HOW FAST 03:41.555 --> 03:42.287 IT IS A SURPRISE ON HOW FAST IT'S HAPPENING. 03:42.289 --> 03:43.989 IT'S HAPPENING. BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FACT 03:43.991 --> 03:46.391 BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT WE NEED NEW TECHNOLOGY, 03:46.393 --> 03:47.125 THAT WE NEED NEW TECHNOLOGY, STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY THAT 03:47.127 --> 03:52.297 STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY THAT IS ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO 03:52.299 --> 03:54.299 IS ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND FAIRLY QUICK TO THE 03:54.301 --> 03:54.700 RESPOND FAIRLY QUICK TO THE MORTALITIES. 03:54.702 --> 03:56.134 MORTALITIES. AND WE GET SIGNALS FROM THE 03:56.136 --> 03:58.203 AND WE GET SIGNALS FROM THE SATELLITE IMMEDIATELY, ALMOST. 03:58.205 --> 03:59.972 SATELLITE IMMEDIATELY, ALMOST. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE 03:59.974 --> 04:04.876 AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE FACTORS WHY THIS IS SO DIFFERENT 04:04.878 --> 04:06.845 FACTORS WHY THIS IS SO DIFFERENT AND WHY WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION 04:06.847 --> 04:07.946 AND WHY WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT HAND, PROVIDE THAT 04:07.948 --> 04:08.647 AT HAND, PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AS WE CAN TO THE 04:08.649 --> 04:10.182 INFORMATION AS WE CAN TO THE PUBLIC. 04:10.184 --> 04:11.516 PUBLIC. >> THERE'S NO SURPRISE TO YOU 04:11.518 --> 04:14.820 >> THERE'S NO SURPRISE TO YOU THAT MOUNTAIN LIONS PREY ON 04:14.822 --> 04:15.120 THAT MOUNTAIN LIONS PREY ON SHEEP. 04:15.122 --> 04:16.722 SHEEP. BUT PEOPLE ARE UPSET, 04:16.724 --> 04:18.590 BUT PEOPLE ARE UPSET, PARTICULARLY UPSET, THAT GAME 04:18.592 --> 04:20.359 PARTICULARLY UPSET, THAT GAME AND FISH HAS THEN GONE OUT TO 04:20.361 --> 04:21.560 AND FISH HAS THEN GONE OUT TO REMOVE THOSE MOUNTAIN LIONS. 04:21.562 --> 04:23.595 REMOVE THOSE MOUNTAIN LIONS. WHY HAVE YOU DONE THAT? 04:23.597 --> 04:26.231 WHY HAVE YOU DONE THAT? >> IT IS PART OF THE PREDATOR 04:26.233 --> 04:27.399 >> IT IS PART OF THE PREDATOR MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE CREATED 04:27.401 --> 04:28.500 MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE CREATED FOR THE COMMUNITY. 04:28.502 --> 04:30.302 FOR THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT HAS 04:30.304 --> 04:31.803 THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT HAS BEEN VERY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS 04:31.805 --> 04:32.137 BEEN VERY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 04:32.139 --> 04:34.306 PROJECT. WE HAVE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, 04:34.308 --> 04:35.307 WE HAVE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE THAT CAME 04:35.309 --> 04:39.211 PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE THAT CAME FROM OTHER GROUPS, OUR 04:39.213 --> 04:42.014 FROM OTHER GROUPS, OUR STAKEHOLDERS, THAT ALL TOGETHER 04:42.016 --> 04:44.716 STAKEHOLDERS, THAT ALL TOGETHER WE PUT THIS MANAGEMENT PLAN IN. 04:44.718 --> 04:46.118 WE PUT THIS MANAGEMENT PLAN IN. AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BEST 04:46.120 --> 04:48.553 AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BEST MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT I'VE SEEN 04:48.555 --> 04:51.023 MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY CAREER. 04:51.025 --> 04:53.892 IN MY CAREER. AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY 04:53.894 --> 04:55.127 AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE AS TO HOW WE WERE 04:55.129 --> 04:56.695 CONSERVATIVE AS TO HOW WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS. 04:56.697 --> 04:59.598 GOING TO DO THIS. BUT WE CAUTIOUSLY PLANNED THIS 04:59.600 --> 05:02.367 BUT WE CAUTIOUSLY PLANNED THIS SO WE'RE NOT TAKING TOO MANY 05:02.369 --> 05:05.037 SO WE'RE NOT TAKING TOO MANY LIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 05:05.039 --> 05:08.740 LIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A VIABLE 05:08.742 --> 05:10.409 OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A VIABLE POPULATION OF SHEEP THAT CAN 05:10.411 --> 05:11.910 POPULATION OF SHEEP THAT CAN COEXIST WITH MOUNTAIN LIONS IN 05:11.912 --> 05:13.011 COEXIST WITH MOUNTAIN LIONS IN THE FUTURE. 05:13.013 --> 05:15.180 THE FUTURE. >> WILL THERE COME A POINT WHERE 05:15.182 --> 05:16.748 >> WILL THERE COME A POINT WHERE THE MOUNTAIN LIONS CONTINUE TO 05:16.750 --> 05:18.250 THE MOUNTAIN LIONS CONTINUE TO PREY ON THE SHEEP BUT YOU DECIDE 05:18.252 --> 05:20.252 PREY ON THE SHEEP BUT YOU DECIDE NOT TO REMOVE THE MOUNTAIN 05:20.254 --> 05:20.585 NOT TO REMOVE THE MOUNTAIN LIONS. 05:20.587 --> 05:21.920 LIONS. >> THERE WILL BE A POINT WHEN WE 05:21.922 --> 05:23.355 >> THERE WILL BE A POINT WHEN WE ESTABLISH THE VIABLE POPULATION 05:23.357 --> 05:25.223 ESTABLISH THE VIABLE POPULATION OF SHEEP UP THERE THAT THAT 05:25.225 --> 05:25.991 OF SHEEP UP THERE THAT THAT WON'T BE -- THAT WOULD NOT BE 05:25.993 --> 05:29.761 WON'T BE -- THAT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY. 05:29.763 --> 05:33.031 NECESSARY. I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE VERY 05:33.033 --> 05:34.866 I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC AND THAT'S GOING TO 05:34.868 --> 05:36.401 OPTIMISTIC AND THAT'S GOING TO HOPEFULLY BE THE CASE. 05:36.403 --> 05:38.403 HOPEFULLY BE THE CASE. >> BUT MOUNTAIN LIONS AND SHEEP, 05:38.405 --> 05:39.771 >> BUT MOUNTAIN LIONS AND SHEEP, THEY CAN LIVE TOGETHER ON THIS 05:39.773 --> 05:40.572 THEY CAN LIVE TOGETHER ON THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE? 05:40.574 --> 05:41.673 MOUNTAIN RANGE? >> THEY CAN COEXIST TOGETHER. 05:41.675 --> 05:43.208 >> THEY CAN COEXIST TOGETHER. THEY'VE DONE IT FOR MILLIONS OF 05:43.210 --> 05:44.409 THEY'VE DONE IT FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS BEFORE. 05:44.411 --> 05:47.179 YEARS BEFORE. AND IT'S A NEW PROCESS, NEW 05:47.181 --> 05:47.579 AND IT'S A NEW PROCESS, NEW TECHNOLOGY. 05:47.581 --> 05:50.615 TECHNOLOGY. AND WE'RE ALL LEARNING. 05:50.617 --> 05:53.285 AND WE'RE ALL LEARNING. THE STORY THAT WE HAVE AT THIS 05:53.287 --> 05:56.655 THE STORY THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IS NOT BEING TOLD BY 05:56.657 --> 05:57.022 POINT IS NOT BEING TOLD BY MORTALITY. 05:57.024 --> 05:57.789 MORTALITY. IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT. 05:57.791 --> 05:59.558 IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT. THERE'S A BIGGER STORY. 05:59.560 --> 06:02.194 THERE'S A BIGGER STORY. AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD WAIT AND 06:02.196 --> 06:02.461 AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD WAIT AND SEE. 06:02.463 --> 06:04.162 SEE. WE'VE GOT A BIGGER STORY LATER. 06:04.164 --> 06:06.865 WE'VE GOT A BIGGER STORY LATER. >> AND THERE IS SOME PROOF OF 06:06.867 --> 06:07.199 >> AND THERE IS SOME PROOF OF SUCCESS. 06:07.201 --> 06:07.833 SUCCESS. TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. 06:07.835 --> 06:09.534 TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. >> YES, THAT MAKES ME VERY 06:09.536 --> 06:09.835 >> YES, THAT MAKES ME VERY HAPPY. 06:09.837 --> 06:11.970 HAPPY. WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE TWO 06:11.972 --> 06:14.306 WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE TWO NEW LAMBS AS OF TODAY. 06:14.308 --> 06:16.708 NEW LAMBS AS OF TODAY. AND THEY'RE ABOUT 1 MONTH OLD 06:16.710 --> 06:17.008 AND THEY'RE ABOUT 1 MONTH OLD EACH. 06:17.010 --> 06:18.043 EACH. AND THAT'S JUST TO PROVE THAT 06:18.045 --> 06:19.611 AND THAT'S JUST TO PROVE THAT THEY MADE IT FOR A MONTH NOW. 06:19.613 --> 06:23.582 THEY MADE IT FOR A MONTH NOW. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. 06:23.584 --> 06:24.950 THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. WE'RE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT 06:24.952 --> 06:25.951 WE'RE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK. 06:25.953 --> 06:27.586 THIS IS GOING TO WORK. AND THERE IS THE PROOF THERE. 06:27.588 --> 06:29.154 AND THERE IS THE PROOF THERE. >> WHAT HAPPENS IF WE LOSE ALL 06:29.156 --> 06:30.722 >> WHAT HAPPENS IF WE LOSE ALL OF THE BIG HORN SHEEP UP THERE? 06:30.724 --> 06:32.090 OF THE BIG HORN SHEEP UP THERE? WILL THAT HAPPEN, IS THAT 06:32.092 --> 06:32.457 WILL THAT HAPPEN, IS THAT POSSIBLE? 06:32.459 --> 06:34.159 POSSIBLE? >> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. 06:34.161 --> 06:35.527 >> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO 06:35.529 --> 06:36.862 AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO RECONVENE WITH OUR COMMITTEE 06:36.864 --> 06:38.563 RECONVENE WITH OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND MAKE A DECISION AT 06:38.565 --> 06:38.964 MEMBERS AND MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT. 06:38.966 --> 06:40.866 THAT POINT. BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. 06:40.868 --> 06:42.667 BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE 06:42.669 --> 06:43.969 >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE NAYSAYERS OUT THERE, THE PEOPLE 06:43.971 --> 06:45.537 NAYSAYERS OUT THERE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY AND FRUSTRATED 06:45.539 --> 06:48.540 WHO ARE ANGRY AND FRUSTRATED WITH GAME AND FISH ABOUT THIS 06:48.542 --> 06:48.874 WITH GAME AND FISH ABOUT THIS PROJECT? 06:48.876 --> 06:52.043 PROJECT? >> I WOULD SAY TO -- LIKE I 06:52.045 --> 06:53.812 >> I WOULD SAY TO -- LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STORY IS 06:53.814 --> 06:54.646 MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STORY IS NOT OVER YET. 06:54.648 --> 06:58.483 NOT OVER YET. TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY. 06:58.485 --> 07:01.620 TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY. THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS 07:01.622 --> 07:02.754 THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. 07:02.756 --> 07:06.324 THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE HAVE DONE OVER 2,000 07:06.326 --> 07:08.727 WE HAVE DONE OVER 2,000 TRANSLOCATIONS OF WILDLIFE 07:08.729 --> 07:09.094 TRANSLOCATIONS OF WILDLIFE SPECIES. 07:09.096 --> 07:09.961 SPECIES. >> YOU'VE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE 07:09.963 --> 07:11.196 >> YOU'VE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE MEDIA BEFORE ON THIS BUT YOU 07:11.198 --> 07:11.763 MEDIA BEFORE ON THIS BUT YOU SAID THIS IS THE TIME. 07:11.765 --> 07:13.965 SAID THIS IS THE TIME. WHY IS IT THE TIME NOW? 07:13.967 --> 07:16.902 WHY IS IT THE TIME NOW? >> THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING 07:16.904 --> 07:20.705 >> THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING SOME GOOD POINTS, YOU KNOW. 07:20.707 --> 07:22.174 SOME GOOD POINTS, YOU KNOW. WHY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED. 07:22.176 --> 07:25.377 WHY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED. AND I THINK THE LACK OF 07:25.379 --> 07:28.313 AND I THINK THE LACK OF INFORMATION PROVIDED -- WE HAVE 07:28.315 --> 07:29.648 INFORMATION PROVIDED -- WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS PRIOR TO 07:29.650 --> 07:30.582 THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS PRIOR TO THE RELEASE. 07:30.584 --> 07:32.918 THE RELEASE. AND WE HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE COME 07:32.920 --> 07:34.486 AND WE HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE COME TO THOSE MEETINGS. 07:34.488 --> 07:37.522 TO THOSE MEETINGS. WE HAD UP TO SIX ARTICLES IN 07:37.524 --> 07:39.691 WE HAD UP TO SIX ARTICLES IN "THE DAILY STAR" PRIOR TO THE 07:39.693 --> 07:40.025 "THE DAILY STAR" PRIOR TO THE RELEASE. 07:40.027 --> 07:41.426 RELEASE. AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME. 07:41.428 --> 07:43.795 AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME. WE WANT PEOPLE TO TELL US WHAT 07:43.797 --> 07:44.463 WE WANT PEOPLE TO TELL US WHAT THEY THINK. 07:44.465 --> 07:46.097 THEY THINK. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 07:46.099 --> 07:47.466 I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. WILDLIFE BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC 07:47.468 --> 07:49.100 WILDLIFE BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM. 07:49.102 --> 07:51.403 AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM. WE PROVIDED THAT PRIOR TO THE 07:51.405 --> 07:51.837 WE PROVIDED THAT PRIOR TO THE RELEASE. 07:51.839 --> 07:53.104 RELEASE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET 07:53.106 --> 07:54.906 UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET THOSE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME. 07:54.908 --> 07:56.842 THOSE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME. BUT WE CONTINUE TO ASK THE 07:56.844 --> 07:58.009 BUT WE CONTINUE TO ASK THE PUBLIC, GO AHEAD AND LET US KNOW 07:58.011 --> 07:58.477 PUBLIC, GO AHEAD AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. 07:58.479 --> 08:01.813 WHAT YOU THINK. IT'S IMPORTANT. 08:01.815 --> 08:03.215 IT'S IMPORTANT. >> IT'S UNKNOWN EXACTLY HOW MANY 08:03.217 --> 08:05.116 >> IT'S UNKNOWN EXACTLY HOW MANY MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE IN THE 08:05.118 --> 08:05.484 MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE IN THE CATALINAS. 08:05.486 --> 08:07.719 CATALINAS. BUT LAST YEAR, GAME AND FISH 08:07.721 --> 08:09.521 BUT LAST YEAR, GAME AND FISH RECEIVED 100 CALLS OF REPORTED 08:09.523 --> 08:10.989 RECEIVED 100 CALLS OF REPORTED SIGHTINGS IN THAT MOUNTAIN 08:10.991 --> 08:11.289 SIGHTINGS IN THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE. 08:11.291 --> 08:12.958 RANGE. GAME AND FISH IS NOT ALONE ON 08:12.960 --> 08:13.692 GAME AND FISH IS NOT ALONE ON THIS PROJECT. 08:13.694 --> 08:14.793 THIS PROJECT. THE AGENCY IS WORKING WITH A 08:14.795 --> 08:16.895 THE AGENCY IS WORKING WITH A GROUP OF CITIZENS WITH A WIDE 08:16.897 --> 08:17.496 GROUP OF CITIZENS WITH A WIDE RANGE OF EXPERIENCE AND 08:17.498 --> 08:20.699 RANGE OF EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE. 08:20.701 --> 08:22.901 EXPERTISE. JOE SHEEHEY, MEMBER OF THE 08:22.903 --> 08:24.202 JOE SHEEHEY, MEMBER OF THE CATALINA BIG HORN ADVISORY 08:24.204 --> 08:25.136 CATALINA BIG HORN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, DESCRIBE THIS 08:25.138 --> 08:26.137 COMMITTEE, DESCRIBE THIS COMMITTEE, WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES 08:26.139 --> 08:26.738 COMMITTEE, WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES DURING THIS PROCESS. 08:26.740 --> 08:29.875 DURING THIS PROCESS. >> WELL, THIS COMMITTEE IS MADE 08:29.877 --> 08:32.344 >> WELL, THIS COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF MEMBERS FROM THE 08:32.346 --> 08:35.313 UP OF MEMBERS FROM THE SPORTSMEN'S GROUP AROUND TUCSON 08:35.315 --> 08:36.681 SPORTSMEN'S GROUP AROUND TUCSON AND OF SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL 08:36.683 --> 08:38.583 AND OF SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AROUND TUCSON. 08:38.585 --> 08:42.020 GROUPS AROUND TUCSON. AND WE CAME TOGETHER TO PUT 08:42.022 --> 08:44.256 AND WE CAME TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THIS 08:44.258 --> 08:46.958 TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THIS RELOCATION. 08:46.960 --> 08:49.294 RELOCATION. WITH MANY, MANY FACETS AND 08:49.296 --> 08:51.530 WITH MANY, MANY FACETS AND ASPECTS TO IT. 08:51.532 --> 08:52.163 ASPECTS TO IT. CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST 08:52.165 --> 08:54.065 CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT WAS THE PREDATOR 08:54.067 --> 08:55.534 IMPORTANT WAS THE PREDATOR MANAGEMENT PLAN AND HOW WE WOULD 08:55.536 --> 09:02.474 MANAGEMENT PLAN AND HOW WE WOULD GOING TO DEAL WITH POTENTIAL 09:02.476 --> 09:03.174 GOING TO DEAL WITH POTENTIAL BRE 09:03.176 --> 09:03.875 BRE PREDATION ISSUES, AS WELL AS 09:03.877 --> 09:06.244 PREDATION ISSUES, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE 09:06.246 --> 09:07.012 MANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE RELOCATION PROJECT ITSELF. 09:07.014 --> 09:08.680 RELOCATION PROJECT ITSELF. >> YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR 09:08.682 --> 09:10.015 >> YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR EDUCATION, IS IN BIOLOGY. 09:10.017 --> 09:11.216 EDUCATION, IS IN BIOLOGY. SO YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 09:11.218 --> 09:12.984 SO YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BIG HORN SHEEP AND HOW HE 09:12.986 --> 09:13.752 THE BIG HORN SHEEP AND HOW HE WOULD FUNCTION IN THE MOUNTAINS. 09:13.754 --> 09:16.054 WOULD FUNCTION IN THE MOUNTAINS. >> A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. 09:16.056 --> 09:18.123 >> A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. AND PLUS IN '70s AND '80S I 09:18.125 --> 09:21.393 AND PLUS IN '70s AND '80S I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE 09:21.395 --> 09:22.260 SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE INDIGENOUS POPULATION THAT WAS 09:22.262 --> 09:24.863 INDIGENOUS POPULATION THAT WAS THERE IN THE CATALINAS BACK 09:24.865 --> 09:25.497 THERE IN THE CATALINAS BACK THEN. 09:25.499 --> 09:28.366 THEN. >> DESCRIBE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE 09:28.368 --> 09:28.733 >> DESCRIBE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BACK THEN. 09:28.735 --> 09:29.601 BACK THEN. HOW BIG WAS THE HERD? 09:29.603 --> 09:31.703 HOW BIG WAS THE HERD? >> I DON'T THINK THE HERD WAS 09:31.705 --> 09:34.039 >> I DON'T THINK THE HERD WAS ANY LARGER, AT LEAST IN MY 09:34.041 --> 09:36.841 ANY LARGER, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAN 100 ANIMALS. 09:36.843 --> 09:38.577 EXPERIENCE, THAN 100 ANIMALS. BUT IT SEEMED TO BE A VERY 09:38.579 --> 09:41.546 BUT IT SEEMED TO BE A VERY HEALTHY, SELF-SUSTAINING 09:41.548 --> 09:42.681 HEALTHY, SELF-SUSTAINING POPULATION. 09:42.683 --> 09:46.384 POPULATION. THE SHEEP WERE A VERY 09:46.386 --> 09:49.187 THE SHEEP WERE A VERY UNIQUE-LOOKING DESERT BIG HORN. 09:49.189 --> 09:52.490 UNIQUE-LOOKING DESERT BIG HORN. THEY HAD LOTS OF HAIR. 09:52.492 --> 09:53.391 THEY HAD LOTS OF HAIR. VERY HEAVY SHEEP. 09:53.393 --> 09:56.761 VERY HEAVY SHEEP. AND I THINK THAT HAD TO DO WITH 09:56.763 --> 09:58.930 AND I THINK THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE LUSH VEGETATION THAT THEY 09:58.932 --> 10:01.232 THE LUSH VEGETATION THAT THEY HAD TO FORAGE ON COMPARED TO 10:01.234 --> 10:02.334 HAD TO FORAGE ON COMPARED TO SHEEP IN OTHER MOUNTAIN RANGES. 10:02.336 --> 10:04.002 SHEEP IN OTHER MOUNTAIN RANGES. >> FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE UP 10:04.004 --> 10:05.670 >> FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE UP TO SPEED ON THIS STORY, WOULD 10:05.672 --> 10:06.805 TO SPEED ON THIS STORY, WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO 10:06.807 --> 10:07.505 YOU DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT HERD BACK THEN? 10:07.507 --> 10:10.609 THAT HERD BACK THEN? >> WELL, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW 10:10.611 --> 10:11.209 >> WELL, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 10:11.211 --> 10:13.979 WHAT HAPPENED. THERE'S BEEN FOUR OR FIVE 10:13.981 --> 10:14.746 THERE'S BEEN FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT REASONS GIVEN. 10:14.748 --> 10:16.948 DIFFERENT REASONS GIVEN. AND IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION 10:16.950 --> 10:19.784 AND IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF THOSE. 10:19.786 --> 10:24.889 OF THOSE. BUT ANYTHING FROM DISEASE TO 10:24.891 --> 10:25.490 BUT ANYTHING FROM DISEASE TO PREDATION TO POPULATION 10:25.492 --> 10:28.393 PREDATION TO POPULATION PRESSURE. 10:28.395 --> 10:31.396 PRESSURE. THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN AS 10:31.398 --> 10:34.065 THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN AS EXAMPLES OF WHY THOSE SHEEP 10:34.067 --> 10:34.432 EXAMPLES OF WHY THOSE SHEEP DECLINED. 10:34.434 --> 10:36.635 DECLINED. >> WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHY YOU 10:36.637 --> 10:37.702 >> WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHY YOU SUPPORTED THE MOVEMENT, THE 10:37.704 --> 10:39.938 SUPPORTED THE MOVEMENT, THE RELOCATION OF THE HERD FROM YUMA 10:39.940 --> 10:40.872 RELOCATION OF THE HERD FROM YUMA TO THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE? 10:40.874 --> 10:43.608 TO THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE? >> WELL, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE, 10:43.610 --> 10:44.809 >> WELL, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE, IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO ME GIVEN 10:44.811 --> 10:46.978 IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO ME GIVEN THE FACT THAT I SPENT A LOT OF 10:46.980 --> 10:48.380 THE FACT THAT I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE SHEEP HERD THAT 10:48.382 --> 10:49.748 TIME WITH THE SHEEP HERD THAT WAS IN THERE. 10:49.750 --> 10:53.251 WAS IN THERE. AND TO ME, THIS MOUNTAIN JUST 10:53.253 --> 10:54.853 AND TO ME, THIS MOUNTAIN JUST NEEDS -- BIG HORN SHEEP SHOULD 10:54.855 --> 10:56.321 NEEDS -- BIG HORN SHEEP SHOULD BE IN THIS MOUNTAIN. 10:56.323 --> 10:58.223 BE IN THIS MOUNTAIN. THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE 10:58.225 --> 11:00.525 THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE, AND I THINK 11:00.527 --> 11:01.793 ALWAYS THERE, AND I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE 11:01.795 --> 11:04.029 THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY OF TUCSON TO HAVE BIG 11:04.031 --> 11:06.164 COMMUNITY OF TUCSON TO HAVE BIG HORN SHEEP IN THAT MOUNTAIN 11:06.166 --> 11:06.498 HORN SHEEP IN THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE. 11:06.500 --> 11:09.234 RANGE. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 11:09.236 --> 11:10.068 >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PREDATION FACTOR. 11:10.070 --> 11:11.670 PREDATION FACTOR. IT HAS UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO 11:11.672 --> 11:13.138 IT HAS UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA 11:13.140 --> 11:13.505 THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA INITIALLY. 11:13.507 --> 11:14.272 INITIALLY. THIS IS PERHAPS SOMETHING THEY 11:14.274 --> 11:15.473 THIS IS PERHAPS SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T THINK WOULD HAPPEN OR 11:15.475 --> 11:16.675 DIDN'T THINK WOULD HAPPEN OR THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT IT 11:16.677 --> 11:19.411 THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT IT HAPPENED SO QUICKLY. 11:19.413 --> 11:21.946 HAPPENED SO QUICKLY. DESCRIBE THE BIOLOGY OF THINGS 11:21.948 --> 11:23.114 DESCRIBE THE BIOLOGY OF THINGS AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON 11:23.116 --> 11:23.782 AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE. 11:23.784 --> 11:25.083 THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE. >> WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS GOING 11:25.085 --> 11:25.350 >> WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON. 11:25.352 --> 11:27.552 ON. WE HAVE A LOT OF MOUNTAIN LIONS. 11:27.554 --> 11:31.189 WE HAVE A LOT OF MOUNTAIN LIONS. MANY MORE MOUNTAIN LIONS THAN 11:31.191 --> 11:33.291 MANY MORE MOUNTAIN LIONS THAN SHEEP, THAT'S BECOME OBVIOUS. 11:33.293 --> 11:35.060 SHEEP, THAT'S BECOME OBVIOUS. THE SHEEP HAVE DONE WHAT SHEEP 11:35.062 --> 11:37.395 THE SHEEP HAVE DONE WHAT SHEEP DO IN A TYPICAL RELOCATION. 11:37.397 --> 11:39.364 DO IN A TYPICAL RELOCATION. AND THAT'S DISPERSE. 11:39.366 --> 11:42.000 AND THAT'S DISPERSE. IN THIS CASE, SOME OF THE 11:42.002 --> 11:45.737 IN THIS CASE, SOME OF THE COUNTRY THAT THEY DISPERSE TO 11:45.739 --> 11:46.838 COUNTRY THAT THEY DISPERSE TO INITIALLY WAS NOT VERY GOOD 11:46.840 --> 11:48.973 INITIALLY WAS NOT VERY GOOD SHEEP COUNTRY. 11:48.975 --> 11:51.242 SHEEP COUNTRY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE VERY GOOD 11:51.244 --> 11:52.444 THEY DIDN'T HAVE VERY GOOD ESCAPE TERRAIN. 11:52.446 --> 11:55.647 ESCAPE TERRAIN. AND I THINK THEY BECAME FAIRLY 11:55.649 --> 11:58.650 AND I THINK THEY BECAME FAIRLY EASY PREY TO MOUNTAIN LIONS. 11:58.652 --> 12:02.020 EASY PREY TO MOUNTAIN LIONS. GRADUALLY, THE SHEEP ARE COMING 12:02.022 --> 12:03.688 GRADUALLY, THE SHEEP ARE COMING INTO MORE WHAT WE WOULD CALL 12:03.690 --> 12:06.024 INTO MORE WHAT WE WOULD CALL TRADITIONAL SHEEP COUNTRY. 12:06.026 --> 12:08.960 TRADITIONAL SHEEP COUNTRY. AND HOPEFULLY THIS PREDATION 12:08.962 --> 12:10.729 AND HOPEFULLY THIS PREDATION WILL LEVEL OFF NOW. 12:10.731 --> 12:11.963 WILL LEVEL OFF NOW. >> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE TO 12:11.965 --> 12:12.230 >> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE TO YOU? 12:12.232 --> 12:15.734 YOU? >> NO, IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE. 12:15.736 --> 12:20.939 >> NO, IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE. IT IS DISAPPOINTING, THE RATE OF 12:20.941 --> 12:21.306 IT IS DISAPPOINTING, THE RATE OF PREDATION. 12:21.308 --> 12:22.807 PREDATION. LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THIS -- 12:22.809 --> 12:24.976 LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THIS -- SOME OF THESE INCIDENTS HAVE 12:24.978 --> 12:26.578 SOME OF THESE INCIDENTS HAVE HAPPENED WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR 12:26.580 --> 12:29.080 HAPPENED WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SHEEP 12:29.082 --> 12:30.682 LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SHEEP SHOULDN'T BE. 12:30.684 --> 12:32.450 SHOULDN'T BE. AND HOPEFULLY AS THESE SHEEP 12:32.452 --> 12:34.486 AND HOPEFULLY AS THESE SHEEP MOVE INTO MORE TRADITIONAL BIG 12:34.488 --> 12:37.655 MOVE INTO MORE TRADITIONAL BIG HORN SHEEP TERRAIN, WE'LL HAVE A 12:37.657 --> 12:39.224 HORN SHEEP TERRAIN, WE'LL HAVE A LOT LESS INCIDENTS OF MOUNTAIN 12:39.226 --> 12:41.359 LOT LESS INCIDENTS OF MOUNTAIN LION PREDATION. 12:41.361 --> 12:43.428 LION PREDATION. >> OPPONENTS OF THE PLAN SAY 12:43.430 --> 12:45.663 >> OPPONENTS OF THE PLAN SAY THAT THE SHEEP DON'T HAVE THE 12:45.665 --> 12:47.766 THAT THE SHEEP DON'T HAVE THE GEOGRAPHY THEY NEED TO SURVIVE. 12:47.768 --> 12:49.167 GEOGRAPHY THEY NEED TO SURVIVE. DO THEY OUT IN THAT RANGE? 12:49.169 --> 12:53.004 DO THEY OUT IN THAT RANGE? >> THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF 12:53.006 --> 12:55.173 >> THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COUNTRY FOR SHEEP. 12:55.175 --> 12:57.509 COUNTRY FOR SHEEP. YOU KNOW, PLUS NOW WE'VE HAD TWO 12:57.511 --> 13:00.078 YOU KNOW, PLUS NOW WE'VE HAD TWO MAJOR FIRES UP THERE THAT HAVE 13:00.080 --> 13:02.814 MAJOR FIRES UP THERE THAT HAVE REALLY OPENED UP A LOT MORE 13:02.816 --> 13:03.481 REALLY OPENED UP A LOT MORE HABITAT THAN THE SHEEP HAD 13:03.483 --> 13:06.718 HABITAT THAN THE SHEEP HAD ORIGINALLY. 13:06.720 --> 13:09.354 ORIGINALLY. SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS A LONG 13:09.356 --> 13:10.755 SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS A LONG WAY FROM THE TRUTH. 13:10.757 --> 13:14.526 WAY FROM THE TRUTH. I MEAN, THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE 13:14.528 --> 13:15.760 I MEAN, THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE COULD PROBABLY HANDLE A WHOLE 13:15.762 --> 13:17.061 COULD PROBABLY HANDLE A WHOLE LOT OF SHEEP. 13:17.063 --> 13:19.197 LOT OF SHEEP. >> WE'VE ONLY GONE THREE OR SO 13:19.199 --> 13:20.298 >> WE'VE ONLY GONE THREE OR SO MONTHS INTO THIS PROJECT. 13:20.300 --> 13:22.066 MONTHS INTO THIS PROJECT. HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN IT HAS 13:22.068 --> 13:22.734 HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL? 13:22.736 --> 13:23.768 BEEN SUCCESSFUL? IS THERE A TIMELINE? 13:23.770 --> 13:26.137 IS THERE A TIMELINE? >> WELL, THERE IS NOT A 13:26.139 --> 13:26.504 >> WELL, THERE IS NOT A TIMELINE. 13:26.506 --> 13:27.806 TIMELINE. A LOT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT 13:27.808 --> 13:31.342 A LOT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? 13:31.344 --> 13:31.810 HAPPENS NEXT? WE'VE LOST TEN. 13:31.812 --> 13:34.712 WE'VE LOST TEN. TEN SHEEP. 13:34.714 --> 13:35.380 TEN SHEEP. WE'RE CERTAINLY FAR FROM 13:35.382 --> 13:39.017 WE'RE CERTAINLY FAR FROM THROWING IN THE TOWEL. 13:39.019 --> 13:40.985 THROWING IN THE TOWEL. I THINK THIS PROJECT CAN BE 13:40.987 --> 13:42.086 I THINK THIS PROJECT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. 13:42.088 --> 13:44.355 SUCCESSFUL. ULTIMATELY, IT WILL BE 13:44.357 --> 13:47.091 ULTIMATELY, IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE HAVE A 13:47.093 --> 13:48.760 SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE HAVE A SELF-SUSTAINING POPULATION UP 13:48.762 --> 13:51.062 SELF-SUSTAINING POPULATION UP THERE THAT LIVES IN HARMONY WITH 13:51.064 --> 13:54.766 THERE THAT LIVES IN HARMONY WITH ALL THE FACTORS THAT LIMIT BIG 13:54.768 --> 13:57.035 ALL THE FACTORS THAT LIMIT BIG HORN SHEEP. 13:57.037 --> 13:57.702 HORN SHEEP. PREDATION, DISEASE, AND 13:57.704 --> 13:58.303 PREDATION, DISEASE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 13:58.305 --> 13:59.337 EVERYTHING ELSE. >> THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL ON THE 13:59.339 --> 14:00.705 >> THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL ON THE FENCE ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT 14:00.707 --> 14:01.506 FENCE ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 14:01.508 --> 14:02.674 THIS ISSUE. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM? 14:02.676 --> 14:04.642 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM? >> I WOULD SAY, GIVE THIS A 14:04.644 --> 14:05.376 >> I WOULD SAY, GIVE THIS A CHANCE. 14:05.378 --> 14:07.245 CHANCE. CERTAINLY ANYONE WHO HAD THE 14:07.247 --> 14:09.180 CERTAINLY ANYONE WHO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TO 14:09.182 --> 14:10.815 OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK UP THERE AND SEE A BIG HORN 14:10.817 --> 14:13.284 LOOK UP THERE AND SEE A BIG HORN SHEEP STANDING ON A ROCK, IF 14:13.286 --> 14:16.054 SHEEP STANDING ON A ROCK, IF THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND 14:16.056 --> 14:18.056 THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND 14:18.058 --> 14:19.624 ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND HOW MEANINGFUL THIS PROJECT IS, 14:19.626 --> 14:22.360 HOW MEANINGFUL THIS PROJECT IS, THEN NOTHING WOULD. 14:22.362 --> 14:24.128 THEN NOTHING WOULD. >> GAME AND FISH BROUGHT A TOTAL 14:24.130 --> 14:26.064 >> GAME AND FISH BROUGHT A TOTAL OF 31 SHEEP TO THE MOUNTAIN 14:26.066 --> 14:26.364 OF 31 SHEEP TO THE MOUNTAIN RANGE. 14:26.366 --> 14:27.932 RANGE. THE PROJECT STARTED IN NOVEMBER. 14:27.934 --> 14:29.267 THE PROJECT STARTED IN NOVEMBER. HERE WE ARE IN FEBRUARY. 14:29.269 --> 14:31.302 HERE WE ARE IN FEBRUARY. AND ONE-THIRD OF THE HERD HAS 14:31.304 --> 14:31.703 AND ONE-THIRD OF THE HERD HAS DIED. 14:31.705 --> 14:33.404 DIED. GAME AND FISH ALSO KILLED TWO 14:33.406 --> 14:34.906 GAME AND FISH ALSO KILLED TWO MOUNTAIN LIONS THAT PREYED ON 14:34.908 --> 14:36.007 MOUNTAIN LIONS THAT PREYED ON THE SHEEP. 14:36.009 --> 14:38.643 THE SHEEP. AND JUST THIS WEEK, NEWS OF TWO 14:38.645 --> 14:42.313 AND JUST THIS WEEK, NEWS OF TWO LAMB BIRTHS. 14:42.315 --> 14:45.617 LAMB BIRTHS. VANESSA BARCHFIELD HAS MORE ON 14:45.619 --> 14:46.351 VANESSA BARCHFIELD HAS MORE ON THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE 14:46.353 --> 14:52.824 THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE TRANSLOCATION. 14:52.826 --> 14:54.959 TRANSLOCATION. >> JUST AS THE REINTRODUCTION OF 14:54.961 --> 14:56.961 >> JUST AS THE REINTRODUCTION OF BIG HORN SHEEP UNITED A STRANGE 14:56.963 --> 14:59.030 BIG HORN SHEEP UNITED A STRANGE GROUP OF SUPPORTERS, A WIDE 14:59.032 --> 15:00.999 GROUP OF SUPPORTERS, A WIDE CROSS SECTION OF TUCSONENS HAVE 15:01.001 --> 15:01.833 CROSS SECTION OF TUCSONENS HAVE VOICED OPPOSITION. 15:01.835 --> 15:03.401 VOICED OPPOSITION. INCLUDING HIKERS, 15:03.403 --> 15:04.235 INCLUDING HIKERS, ENVIRONMENTALISTS, AND OTHER 15:04.237 --> 15:05.570 ENVIRONMENTALISTS, AND OTHER CONCERNED RESIDENTS FROM ACROSS 15:05.572 --> 15:09.874 CONCERNED RESIDENTS FROM ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. 15:09.876 --> 15:11.042 THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. WHILE THE PROJECT STIRRED 15:11.044 --> 15:12.644 WHILE THE PROJECT STIRRED CONTROVERSY FROM THE BEGINNING, 15:12.646 --> 15:13.711 CONTROVERSY FROM THE BEGINNING, TEMPERS FLARED WITH THE 15:13.713 --> 15:14.979 TEMPERS FLARED WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT THE DEPARTMENT OF 15:14.981 --> 15:16.481 ANNOUNCEMENT THE DEPARTMENT OF GAME AND FISH HAD KILLED TWO 15:16.483 --> 15:17.982 GAME AND FISH HAD KILLED TWO MOUNTAIN LIONS FOR PREYING ON 15:17.984 --> 15:18.716 MOUNTAIN LIONS FOR PREYING ON BIG HORN SHEEP TWO WEEKS AFTER 15:18.718 --> 15:20.685 BIG HORN SHEEP TWO WEEKS AFTER THEIR RELEASE. 15:20.687 --> 15:24.155 THEIR RELEASE. TUCSON RESIDENTS SAY IT WAS THE 15:24.157 --> 15:25.423 TUCSON RESIDENTS SAY IT WAS THE MOUNTAIN LION'S KILLING THAT 15:25.425 --> 15:26.557 MOUNTAIN LION'S KILLING THAT PROMPTED HIM AND SEVERAL OTHER 15:26.559 --> 15:28.426 PROMPTED HIM AND SEVERAL OTHER CONCERNED RESIDENTS TO FORM 15:28.428 --> 15:30.762 CONCERNED RESIDENTS TO FORM FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS, A GROUP 15:30.764 --> 15:32.030 FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS, A GROUP DEDICATED TO STOPPING THE 15:32.032 --> 15:33.665 DEDICATED TO STOPPING THE INTRODUCTION OF BIG HORN TO THE 15:33.667 --> 15:34.065 INTRODUCTION OF BIG HORN TO THE CATALINAS. 15:34.067 --> 15:35.533 CATALINAS. >> GAME AND FISH WAS NOT 15:35.535 --> 15:36.301 >> GAME AND FISH WAS NOT FORTHCOMING WITH INFORMATION. 15:36.303 --> 15:37.936 FORTHCOMING WITH INFORMATION. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE 15:37.938 --> 15:38.970 IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH THE 15:38.972 --> 15:39.304 FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH THE PROGRAM. 15:39.306 --> 15:40.939 PROGRAM. AND THE MORE I LEARNED, THE MORE 15:40.941 --> 15:42.740 AND THE MORE I LEARNED, THE MORE DISTURBING THE PICTURE HAS 15:42.742 --> 15:43.074 DISTURBING THE PICTURE HAS BECOME. 15:43.076 --> 15:45.710 BECOME. >> HE WORKS WITH ABOUT 14 OTHER 15:45.712 --> 15:47.278 >> HE WORKS WITH ABOUT 14 OTHER PEOPLE IN FRIENDS OF WILD 15:47.280 --> 15:50.081 PEOPLE IN FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS AND THE GROUP HAS 233 15:50.083 --> 15:51.249 ANIMALS AND THE GROUP HAS 233 "LIKES" ON ITS FACEBOOK PAGE. 15:51.251 --> 15:53.251 "LIKES" ON ITS FACEBOOK PAGE. >> WE FEEL LIKE GAME AND FISH IS 15:53.253 --> 15:54.886 >> WE FEEL LIKE GAME AND FISH IS TREATING THE CATALINAS LIKE A 15:54.888 --> 15:55.420 TREATING THE CATALINAS LIKE A STOCK POND. 15:55.422 --> 15:56.688 STOCK POND. THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE SPECIES 15:56.690 --> 15:57.789 THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE SPECIES THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO REMOVE 15:57.791 --> 16:00.558 THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE SPECIES THAT INTERFERED WITH 16:00.560 --> 16:02.994 THE SPECIES THAT INTERFERED WITH THE POPULATION THEY'RE TRYING TO 16:02.996 --> 16:03.361 THE POPULATION THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE. 16:03.363 --> 16:05.029 PRODUCE. AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE 16:05.031 --> 16:06.364 AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND 16:06.366 --> 16:08.232 COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND 16:08.234 --> 16:10.868 KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO 16:10.870 --> 16:11.269 FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO WILDERNESS. 16:11.271 --> 16:14.872 WILDERNESS. AND THAT IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT 16:14.874 --> 16:16.641 AND THAT IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT WE 16:16.643 --> 16:18.242 THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 16:18.244 --> 16:19.444 WOULD LIKE TO SEE. WE THINK THAT WILD ANIMALS 16:19.446 --> 16:21.245 WE THINK THAT WILD ANIMALS SHOULD BE WILD. 16:21.247 --> 16:23.147 SHOULD BE WILD. AND NEITHER THE BIG HORNS OR 16:23.149 --> 16:24.415 AND NEITHER THE BIG HORNS OR MOUNTAINS LIONS ARE BEING GIVEN 16:24.417 --> 16:24.882 MOUNTAINS LIONS ARE BEING GIVEN THAT RESPECT. 16:24.884 --> 16:27.251 THAT RESPECT. >> NOT EVERYONE AGREES. 16:27.253 --> 16:29.620 >> NOT EVERYONE AGREES. HIKER JIM FEMELIS SUPPORTS THE 16:29.622 --> 16:30.855 HIKER JIM FEMELIS SUPPORTS THE REINTRODUCTION OF THE SHEEP, 16:30.857 --> 16:32.023 REINTRODUCTION OF THE SHEEP, PRIMARILY BECAUSE HE'D LIKE TO 16:32.025 --> 16:33.591 PRIMARILY BECAUSE HE'D LIKE TO COME ACROSS THEM DURING HIS 16:33.593 --> 16:34.592 COME ACROSS THEM DURING HIS REGULAR TRAIL HIKES. 16:34.594 --> 16:35.893 REGULAR TRAIL HIKES. HE SAYS HE TRUSTS THAT GAME AND 16:35.895 --> 16:37.662 HE SAYS HE TRUSTS THAT GAME AND FISH KNOWS HOW TO RUN THESE 16:37.664 --> 16:39.297 FISH KNOWS HOW TO RUN THESE SORTS OF REINTRODUCTIONS. 16:39.299 --> 16:40.565 SORTS OF REINTRODUCTIONS. >> THE STATE MUST KNOW 16:40.567 --> 16:41.899 >> THE STATE MUST KNOW SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE WERE DOWN 16:41.901 --> 16:43.401 SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE WERE DOWN TO LIKE 1,500 IN THE STATE AT 16:43.403 --> 16:43.768 TO LIKE 1,500 IN THE STATE AT ONE POINT. 16:43.770 --> 16:46.371 ONE POINT. THEY'RE UP TO 5,000 NOW. 16:46.373 --> 16:50.274 THEY'RE UP TO 5,000 NOW. SO IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, THE 16:50.276 --> 16:55.046 SO IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, THE ODDS ARE BAD SO FAR SINCE 16:55.048 --> 16:57.982 ODDS ARE BAD SO FAR SINCE NOVEMBER, BUT IF THEY'VE GOTTEN 16:57.984 --> 17:00.051 NOVEMBER, BUT IF THEY'VE GOTTEN TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE THE 17:00.053 --> 17:01.185 TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE THE POPULATION, THEY MUST BE DOING 17:01.187 --> 17:01.552 POPULATION, THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING. 17:01.554 --> 17:03.554 SOMETHING. AND YOU'VE GOT TO AT LEAST GIVE 17:03.556 --> 17:05.456 AND YOU'VE GOT TO AT LEAST GIVE THEM IF THE OF-YEAR PLAN OR THE 17:05.458 --> 17:05.990 THEM IF THE OF-YEAR PLAN OR THE THREE-YEAR PLAN. 17:05.992 --> 17:08.126 THREE-YEAR PLAN. IT'S NOT COSTING TAXPAYER 17:08.128 --> 17:08.459 IT'S NOT COSTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 17:08.461 --> 17:09.527 DOLLARS. SO WHY NOT? 17:09.529 --> 17:11.796 SO WHY NOT? >> OPPONENT BEN SAYS GAME AND 17:11.798 --> 17:12.997 >> OPPONENT BEN SAYS GAME AND FISH HAS NOT ADEQUATELY 17:12.999 --> 17:14.799 FISH HAS NOT ADEQUATELY EXPLAINED THE LOGIC BEHIND THE 17:14.801 --> 17:15.266 EXPLAINED THE LOGIC BEHIND THE REINTRODUCTION. 17:15.268 --> 17:17.668 REINTRODUCTION. >> THEY'VE SIMPLY SAID THAT THEY 17:17.670 --> 17:19.570 >> THEY'VE SIMPLY SAID THAT THEY WANT TO REINTRODUCE THE HERD BUT 17:19.572 --> 17:21.305 WANT TO REINTRODUCE THE HERD BUT HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY THAT'S 17:21.307 --> 17:21.672 HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. 17:21.674 --> 17:23.107 IMPORTANT. THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WHETHER 17:23.109 --> 17:24.642 THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WHETHER THERE'S A HUNTING MOTIVATION 17:24.644 --> 17:25.777 THERE'S A HUNTING MOTIVATION BEHIND THAT. 17:25.779 --> 17:27.478 BEHIND THAT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO SUCH 17:27.480 --> 17:30.048 AND THEY'RE GOING TO SUCH EXTREME MEASURES FOR THIS 17:30.050 --> 17:31.516 EXTREME MEASURES FOR THIS PROGRAM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY. 17:31.518 --> 17:34.018 PROGRAM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY. >> MANY OF THE PROGRAM'S 17:34.020 --> 17:34.886 >> MANY OF THE PROGRAM'S CRITICS, INCLUDING FRIENDS OF 17:34.888 --> 17:36.521 CRITICS, INCLUDING FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS, SUSPECT HUNTING TO 17:36.523 --> 17:38.256 WILD ANIMALS, SUSPECT HUNTING TO BE AT THE CORE OF THE 17:38.258 --> 17:38.723 BE AT THE CORE OF THE REINTRODUCTION. 17:38.725 --> 17:39.557 REINTRODUCTION. >> GAME AND FISH HAS A LONG 17:39.559 --> 17:41.426 >> GAME AND FISH HAS A LONG HISTORY OF VIEWING HUNTERS AND 17:41.428 --> 17:45.196 HISTORY OF VIEWING HUNTERS AND RANCHERS AS THEIR CONSTITUENCY. 17:45.198 --> 17:46.431 RANCHERS AS THEIR CONSTITUENCY. AND IT'S INTRINSIC IN THE 17:46.433 --> 17:47.832 AND IT'S INTRINSIC IN THE CULTURE OF THE AGENCY. 17:47.834 --> 17:52.470 CULTURE OF THE AGENCY. SO BIG HORN SHEEP ARE A VERY 17:52.472 --> 17:55.073 SO BIG HORN SHEEP ARE A VERY POPULAR AND LUCRATIVE GAME 17:55.075 --> 17:55.406 POPULAR AND LUCRATIVE GAME SPECIES. 17:55.408 --> 17:57.608 SPECIES. AND MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE VIEWED AS 17:57.610 --> 17:59.143 AND MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE VIEWED AS PESTS BY BOTH HUNTERS AND 17:59.145 --> 17:59.677 PESTS BY BOTH HUNTERS AND RANCHERS. 17:59.679 --> 18:01.279 RANCHERS. AND WE SEE THAT ATTITUDE ACROSS 18:01.281 --> 18:03.848 AND WE SEE THAT ATTITUDE ACROSS THE BOARD IN GAME AND FISH 18:03.850 --> 18:04.215 THE BOARD IN GAME AND FISH POLICIES. 18:04.217 --> 18:05.783 POLICIES. >> SINCE MID-DECEMBER, FRIENDS 18:05.785 --> 18:07.685 >> SINCE MID-DECEMBER, FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS HAS ORGANIZED 18:07.687 --> 18:08.786 OF WILD ANIMALS HAS ORGANIZED SEVERAL PROTESTS AT GAME AND 18:08.788 --> 18:10.488 SEVERAL PROTESTS AT GAME AND FISH OFFICES, FILED A PUBLIC 18:10.490 --> 18:11.522 FISH OFFICES, FILED A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST ON THE 18:11.524 --> 18:12.657 INFORMATION REQUEST ON THE PROGRAM, AND IS CURRENTLY 18:12.659 --> 18:14.792 PROGRAM, AND IS CURRENTLY PLANNING A PROTEST AT THE FOREST 18:14.794 --> 18:15.326 PLANNING A PROTEST AT THE FOREST SERVICE OFFICE. 18:15.328 --> 18:16.661 SERVICE OFFICE. >> WE FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO 18:16.663 --> 18:18.663 >> WE FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME THRESHOLD AT WHICH THEY 18:18.665 --> 18:20.398 BE SOME THRESHOLD AT WHICH THEY SAY, TOOL MOUNTAIN LIONS HAVE 18:20.400 --> 18:21.699 SAY, TOOL MOUNTAIN LIONS HAVE DIED, TOO MANY SHEEP HAVE DIED 18:21.701 --> 18:23.401 DIED, TOO MANY SHEEP HAVE DIED TOO FAST, AND WE'RE GOING TO 18:23.403 --> 18:24.202 TOO FAST, AND WE'RE GOING TO PULL THE PLUG. 18:24.204 --> 18:25.770 PULL THE PLUG. >> AS IT SEEMS THE STATE DOESN'T 18:25.772 --> 18:27.505 >> AS IT SEEMS THE STATE DOESN'T EXPECT TO PULL THE PLUG ON ITS 18:27.507 --> 18:28.973 EXPECT TO PULL THE PLUG ON ITS BIG HORN REINTRODUCTION ANY TIME 18:28.975 --> 18:32.143 BIG HORN REINTRODUCTION ANY TIME SOON, THE ISSUE LOOKS SET TO 18:32.145 --> 18:32.977 SOON, THE ISSUE LOOKS SET TO ENERGIZE TUCSON'S PASSIONS FOR 18:32.979 --> 18:37.582 ENERGIZE TUCSON'S PASSIONS FOR SOME TIME TO COME. 18:37.584 --> 18:39.283 SOME TIME TO COME. >>> GAME AND FISH FITTED THE BIG 18:39.285 --> 18:41.085 >>> GAME AND FISH FITTED THE BIG HORN SHEEP WITH GPS TRACKERS. 18:41.087 --> 18:42.820 HORN SHEEP WITH GPS TRACKERS. THE TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS THE AGENCY 18:42.822 --> 18:44.822 THE TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS THE AGENCY TO MONITOR THEIR MOVEMENTS. 18:44.824 --> 18:46.491 TO MONITOR THEIR MOVEMENTS. THAT SYSTEM SENDS OFFICERS A 18:46.493 --> 18:48.259 THAT SYSTEM SENDS OFFICERS A SIGNAL WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM 18:48.261 --> 18:50.962 SIGNAL WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM AND IT EVEN LETS OFFICERS KNOW 18:50.964 --> 18:54.132 AND IT EVEN LETS OFFICERS KNOW WHEN ONE OF THE RAMS CROSS THE 18:54.134 --> 18:54.465 WHEN ONE OF THE RAMS CROSS THE HIGHWAY. 18:54.467 --> 18:56.467 HIGHWAY. >> THIS IS THEIR MOVEMENTS. 18:56.469 --> 18:57.768 >> THIS IS THEIR MOVEMENTS. SO FAR, AS YOU CAN SEE, FOR 18:57.770 --> 18:59.437 SO FAR, AS YOU CAN SEE, FOR INSTANCE, LET ME GIVE YOU A GOOD 18:59.439 --> 18:59.770 INSTANCE, LET ME GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE. 18:59.772 --> 19:00.037 EXAMPLE. YOU 19:00.039 --> 19:01.472 YOU >> YOU FOLLOW THE -- THIS ONE 19:01.474 --> 19:03.741 >> YOU FOLLOW THE -- THIS ONE HERE ON THE WHITE LINE HERE, 19:03.743 --> 19:04.976 HERE ON THE WHITE LINE HERE, THAT IS A MALE THAT HAS BEEN 19:04.978 --> 19:06.577 THAT IS A MALE THAT HAS BEEN TRAVELING ALL THE WAY FROM THE 19:06.579 --> 19:09.180 TRAVELING ALL THE WAY FROM THE RELEASE SITE OVER CLOSER TO -- 19:09.182 --> 19:10.214 RELEASE SITE OVER CLOSER TO -- TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE OF THE 19:10.216 --> 19:10.581 TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. 19:10.583 --> 19:13.451 MOUNTAIN. AND OVER TOWARDS THE CANYON. 19:13.453 --> 19:15.052 AND OVER TOWARDS THE CANYON. LET ME SEE IF I CAN MOVE THAT. 19:15.054 --> 19:16.487 LET ME SEE IF I CAN MOVE THAT. KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON HOW 19:16.489 --> 19:19.023 KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON HOW MUCH THEY MOVE. 19:19.025 --> 19:20.424 MUCH THEY MOVE. THIS IS STATE-OF-THE-ART 19:20.426 --> 19:22.627 THIS IS STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY, IT'S AWESOME BECAUSE 19:22.629 --> 19:23.761 TECHNOLOGY, IT'S AWESOME BECAUSE YOU CAN GET REAL DATA AND YOU 19:23.763 --> 19:25.730 YOU CAN GET REAL DATA AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON 19:25.732 --> 19:28.099 CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS GROUP OF TEN 19:28.101 --> 19:28.633 WITH THIS GROUP OF TEN INDIVIDUALS HERE. 19:28.635 --> 19:30.735 INDIVIDUALS HERE. AND WE GOT -- WE HAVE THEM ALL 19:30.737 --> 19:31.469 AND WE GOT -- WE HAVE THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE HERE. 19:31.471 --> 19:33.204 OVER THE PLACE HERE. LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN A 19:33.206 --> 19:34.906 LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE MORE AND YOU CAN GET A 19:34.908 --> 19:38.142 LITTLE MORE AND YOU CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE 19:38.144 --> 19:38.442 BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 19:38.444 --> 19:42.079 DOING. OBVIOUSLY -- OUR GOAL IS TO SEE 19:42.081 --> 19:46.117 OBVIOUSLY -- OUR GOAL IS TO SEE THEM GROUP UP A LITTLE MORE. 19:46.119 --> 19:48.286 THEM GROUP UP A LITTLE MORE. AND ONCE THEY DO THAT AND THEY 19:48.288 --> 19:49.820 AND ONCE THEY DO THAT AND THEY CHOOSE THE BEST HABITAT FOR 19:49.822 --> 19:52.857 CHOOSE THE BEST HABITAT FOR THEM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE 19:52.859 --> 19:54.292 THEM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IDEAL, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE SAFER 19:54.294 --> 19:57.195 IDEAL, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE SAFER AND I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO 19:57.197 --> 19:58.429 AND I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SURVIVE IN THIS RANGE. 19:58.431 --> 19:59.864 SURVIVE IN THIS RANGE. AS YOU KNOW, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE 19:59.866 --> 20:02.767 AS YOU KNOW, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE GOES ALL THE WAY FROM 3,000 FEET 20:02.769 --> 20:04.202 GOES ALL THE WAY FROM 3,000 FEET TO 9,000 FEET. 20:04.204 --> 20:06.571 TO 9,000 FEET. WE CONTINUE WANT THEM AT 9,000 20:06.573 --> 20:08.139 WE CONTINUE WANT THEM AT 9,000 FEET, WE DON'T THEM TO SELECT 20:08.141 --> 20:09.340 FEET, WE DON'T THEM TO SELECT THAT PERFECT HABITAT FOR THEM. 20:09.342 --> 20:13.010 THAT PERFECT HABITAT FOR THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING. 20:13.012 --> 20:14.679 AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING. THAT'S COMING TOGETHER AS WE 20:14.681 --> 20:14.979 THAT'S COMING TOGETHER AS WE SPEAK. 20:14.981 --> 20:16.847 SPEAK. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF 20:16.849 --> 20:17.448 WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THEM GROUP UP TOGETHER. 20:17.450 --> 20:18.316 THEM GROUP UP TOGETHER. AND THIS IS REALLY GOOD. 20:18.318 --> 20:19.850 AND THIS IS REALLY GOOD. PAIR UP, I SHOULD SAY. 20:19.852 --> 20:21.219 PAIR UP, I SHOULD SAY. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD INDICATION 20:21.221 --> 20:21.919 THAT'S A REALLY GOOD INDICATION THEY ARE GETTING COMFORTABLE 20:21.921 --> 20:23.020 THEY ARE GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH THE HABITAT. 20:23.022 --> 20:24.589 WITH THE HABITAT. AND THEY'RE CHOOSING WHERE TO 20:24.591 --> 20:25.256 AND THEY'RE CHOOSING WHERE TO LIVE AND SUCH. 20:25.258 --> 20:26.591 LIVE AND SUCH. SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING. 20:26.593 --> 20:27.725 SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING. >> WHY AREN'T THEY NECESSARILY 20:27.727 --> 20:30.528 >> WHY AREN'T THEY NECESSARILY ALL GROUPED UP BY NOW? 20:30.530 --> 20:31.329 ALL GROUPED UP BY NOW? >> THEY CAME FROM TWO DIFFERENT 20:31.331 --> 20:34.165 >> THEY CAME FROM TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES. 20:34.167 --> 20:36.334 SOURCES. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW -- IT JUST 20:36.336 --> 20:38.202 AND ALSO, YOU KNOW -- IT JUST TAKES AWHILE FOR THEM TO DO 20:38.204 --> 20:38.502 TAKES AWHILE FOR THEM TO DO THAT. 20:38.504 --> 20:39.470 THAT. >> OKAY. 20:39.472 --> 20:41.372 >> OKAY. AND YOU AS GAME AND FISH 20:41.374 --> 20:42.840 AND YOU AS GAME AND FISH OFFICERS, YOU'RE ALERTED EVERY 20:42.842 --> 20:44.642 OFFICERS, YOU'RE ALERTED EVERY TIME THERE'S NO LONGER ANY 20:44.644 --> 20:47.278 TIME THERE'S NO LONGER ANY MOVEMENT FOR ONE THAT HAS A GPS 20:47.280 --> 20:48.446 MOVEMENT FOR ONE THAT HAS A GPS TRACKER WHICH MAY INDICATE A 20:48.448 --> 20:48.879 TRACKER WHICH MAY INDICATE A PROBLEM THIS. 20:48.881 --> 20:54.452 PROBLEM THIS. >> WE GET A MORTALITY SIGNAL. 20:54.454 --> 20:55.386 >> WE GET A MORTALITY SIGNAL. WIND T 20:55.388 --> 20:56.721 WIND T WITHIN TEN HOURS OF THAT COLLAR 20:56.723 --> 20:58.256 WITHIN TEN HOURS OF THAT COLLAR BEING SET IN A PLACE WITHOUT 20:58.258 --> 21:00.258 BEING SET IN A PLACE WITHOUT MOVING WE GET A MORTALITY 21:00.260 --> 21:00.591 MOVING WE GET A MORTALITY SIGNAL. 21:00.593 --> 21:03.894 SIGNAL. AND THAT'S WHAT INITIATES AN 21:03.896 --> 21:04.328 AND THAT'S WHAT INITIATES AN INVESTIGATION. 21:04.330 --> 21:06.330 INVESTIGATION. IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE 21:06.332 --> 21:08.165 IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE MORE 21:08.167 --> 21:09.200 REASONS WHY WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT THAN 21:09.202 --> 21:10.735 INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT THAN OTHER PROJECTS. 21:10.737 --> 21:13.237 OTHER PROJECTS. BECAUSE WE HAVE -- THAT'S A NEW 21:13.239 --> 21:14.038 BECAUSE WE HAVE -- THAT'S A NEW TECHNOLOGY WHICH WE'RE STILL 21:14.040 --> 21:14.505 TECHNOLOGY WHICH WE'RE STILL WORKING ON. 21:14.507 --> 21:16.607 WORKING ON. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUES 21:16.609 --> 21:17.475 WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUES WITH THE COLLARS. 21:17.477 --> 21:21.212 WITH THE COLLARS. BUT I THINK WE'RE WORKING WITH 21:21.214 --> 21:23.014 BUT I THINK WE'RE WORKING WITH THE MANUFACTURER IN TRYING TO 21:23.016 --> 21:24.649 THE MANUFACTURER IN TRYING TO RESOLVE THE SMALL ISSUES THAT WE 21:24.651 --> 21:25.683 RESOLVE THE SMALL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE COLLARS. 21:25.685 --> 21:27.952 HAVE WITH THE COLLARS. >> THEY'RE ALL HERE. 21:27.954 --> 21:30.554 >> THEY'RE ALL HERE. AS YOU SAID, IT IS YOUR 21:30.556 --> 21:31.289 AS YOU SAID, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING 21:31.291 --> 21:32.023 RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM. 21:32.025 --> 21:33.557 WITH THEM. YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT. 21:33.559 --> 21:35.159 YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT. YOU'VE BROUGHT THEM HERE, IT'S 21:35.161 --> 21:36.527 YOU'VE BROUGHT THEM HERE, IT'S YOUR JOB TO MANAGE HOW THEY MOVE 21:36.529 --> 21:38.095 YOUR JOB TO MANAGE HOW THEY MOVE FROM THIS POINT ON. 21:38.097 --> 21:42.867 FROM THIS POINT ON. >> INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE 21:42.869 --> 21:44.902 >> INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD -- WE HAD THOSE PUBLIC 21:44.904 --> 21:46.070 HAD -- WE HAD THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS, PRESS RELEASES BEFORE 21:46.072 --> 21:47.672 MEETINGS, PRESS RELEASES BEFORE THE MAIN RELEASE OF THE SHEEP 21:47.674 --> 21:50.174 THE MAIN RELEASE OF THE SHEEP HERE, HOPING TO GET SOME PUBLIC 21:50.176 --> 21:50.474 HERE, HOPING TO GET SOME PUBLIC INPUT. 21:50.476 --> 21:51.876 INPUT. NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SHEEP HERE 21:51.878 --> 21:53.210 NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SHEEP HERE WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY -- WE 21:53.212 --> 21:54.779 WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY -- WE CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT 21:54.781 --> 21:55.046 CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT NOW. 21:55.048 --> 21:58.949 NOW. WE HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. 21:58.951 --> 22:01.252 WE HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. TO HELP THE POPULATIONS. 22:01.254 --> 22:03.354 TO HELP THE POPULATIONS. >> GAME AND FISH SAYS 22:03.356 --> 22:04.989 >> GAME AND FISH SAYS TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS ARE NOT 22:04.991 --> 22:06.490 TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS ARE NOT FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS. 22:06.492 --> 22:07.725 FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS. BUT THROUGH AGENCY FEES. 22:07.727 --> 22:10.428 BUT THROUGH AGENCY FEES. AND THOSE FEES HAVE PAID FOR 22:10.430 --> 22:12.430 AND THOSE FEES HAVE PAID FOR OTHER TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS, 22:12.432 --> 22:13.764 OTHER TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARIZONA IS HOME TO 22:13.766 --> 22:15.800 FOR EXAMPLE, ARIZONA IS HOME TO A HEALTHY POPULATION OF 22:15.802 --> 22:18.602 A HEALTHY POPULATION OF CALIFORNIA CONDORS AND THOUSANDS 22:18.604 --> 22:19.970 CALIFORNIA CONDORS AND THOUSANDS OF BIG HORN SHEEP. 22:19.972 --> 22:22.073 OF BIG HORN SHEEP. HERE AGAIN IS RAUL VEGA FROM 22:22.075 --> 22:25.543 HERE AGAIN IS RAUL VEGA FROM GAME AND FISH. 22:25.545 --> 22:28.546 GAME AND FISH. >> THE POPULATION IS DOING 22:28.548 --> 22:28.979 >> THE POPULATION IS DOING FAIRLY WELL. 22:28.981 --> 22:30.648 FAIRLY WELL. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES. 22:30.650 --> 22:34.318 THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES. AND ALSO NATIVE TO THE AREA. 22:34.320 --> 22:36.854 AND ALSO NATIVE TO THE AREA. YOU KNOW, WE TRIED -- WE DO A 22:36.856 --> 22:40.791 YOU KNOW, WE TRIED -- WE DO A LOT OF CONSERVATION WORK TO KEEP 22:40.793 --> 22:43.260 LOT OF CONSERVATION WORK TO KEEP THE WILDLIFE, NOT ONLY BIG HORN 22:43.262 --> 22:44.428 THE WILDLIFE, NOT ONLY BIG HORN SHEEP, BUT OTHER WILDLIFE IN THE 22:44.430 --> 22:45.296 SHEEP, BUT OTHER WILDLIFE IN THE AREA, ALIVE. 22:45.298 --> 22:48.566 AREA, ALIVE. WE DO PROVIDE WATER SOURCES TO 22:48.568 --> 22:49.033 WE DO PROVIDE WATER SOURCES TO THEM. 22:49.035 --> 22:51.068 THEM. WE BUILD WATER CATCHMENTS. 22:51.070 --> 22:53.738 WE BUILD WATER CATCHMENTS. AND THE POPULATION SEEMS TO BE 22:53.740 --> 22:54.672 AND THE POPULATION SEEMS TO BE DOING WELL AS OF NOW. 22:54.674 --> 22:55.406 DOING WELL AS OF NOW. >> ARE MOUNTAIN LIONS A PROBLEM 22:55.408 --> 22:57.241 >> ARE MOUNTAIN LIONS A PROBLEM OUT THERE? 22:57.243 --> 23:00.244 OUT THERE? >> MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE A PROBLEM 23:00.246 --> 23:01.112 >> MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE A PROBLEM THERE AS WELL. 23:01.114 --> 23:03.481 THERE AS WELL. THE POPULATION I THINK HAS 23:03.483 --> 23:04.782 THE POPULATION I THINK HAS GAINED A LOT OF STRENGTH TO BE 23:04.784 --> 23:06.751 GAINED A LOT OF STRENGTH TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE THROUGHOUT THE 23:06.753 --> 23:09.820 ABLE TO SURVIVE THROUGHOUT THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES. 23:09.822 --> 23:12.356 LAST COUPLE OF DECADES. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COEXIST 23:12.358 --> 23:12.957 AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COEXIST TOGETHER AT THIS POINT. 23:12.959 --> 23:14.692 TOGETHER AT THIS POINT. BUT LIONS ARE THERE AS WELL, 23:14.694 --> 23:14.992 BUT LIONS ARE THERE AS WELL, YES. 23:14.994 --> 23:17.128 YES. >> GAME AND FISH HAS BEEN 23:17.130 --> 23:18.129 >> GAME AND FISH HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN RELOCATION PROJECTS 23:18.131 --> 23:19.764 INVOLVED IN RELOCATION PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR 23:19.766 --> 23:20.097 THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR DECADES. 23:20.099 --> 23:21.198 DECADES. AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 23:21.200 --> 23:22.900 AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. TELL ME ABOUT SOME OF THOSE. 23:22.902 --> 23:24.835 TELL ME ABOUT SOME OF THOSE. >> WE'VE DONE -- JUST IN THE 23:24.837 --> 23:27.805 >> WE'VE DONE -- JUST IN THE SHEEP, WE'VE DONE OVER 2,000 23:27.807 --> 23:29.306 SHEEP, WE'VE DONE OVER 2,000 TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS UP TO 23:29.308 --> 23:31.242 TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS UP TO THIS POINT. 23:31.244 --> 23:34.412 THIS POINT. WE HAVE 5,500 SHEEP, ESTIMATED 23:34.414 --> 23:35.746 WE HAVE 5,500 SHEEP, ESTIMATED POPULATION OF BIG HORN SHEEP OUT 23:35.748 --> 23:36.046 POPULATION OF BIG HORN SHEEP OUT THERE. 23:36.048 --> 23:37.782 THERE. AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD. 23:37.784 --> 23:40.251 AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD. AND THAT'S A LOT OF IT BECAUSE 23:40.253 --> 23:41.619 AND THAT'S A LOT OF IT BECAUSE OF THE TRANSLOCATIONS THAT WE'VE 23:41.621 --> 23:42.219 OF THE TRANSLOCATIONS THAT WE'VE DONE. 23:42.221 --> 23:42.987 DONE. AND THAT IS IMPORTANT. 23:42.989 --> 23:43.988 AND THAT IS IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 23:43.990 --> 23:47.391 THAT'S WHAT WE DO. IT IS OUR MISSION. 23:47.393 --> 23:49.727 IT IS OUR MISSION. AND I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT 23:49.729 --> 23:51.128 AND I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME 23:51.130 --> 23:53.431 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME SITUATION HERE IN THE CATALINAS 23:53.433 --> 23:54.932 SITUATION HERE IN THE CATALINAS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT. 23:54.934 --> 23:58.202 AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT. >> GAME AND FISH IS HAS ALSO 23:58.204 --> 23:59.069 >> GAME AND FISH IS HAS ALSO RELOCATED TURKEYS. 23:59.071 --> 24:00.037 RELOCATED TURKEYS. >> WE HAVE. 24:00.039 --> 24:02.440 >> WE HAVE. THAT'S ANOTHER SPECIES THAT I'M 24:02.442 --> 24:03.808 THAT'S ANOTHER SPECIES THAT I'M PROUD TO TALK ABOUT. 24:03.810 --> 24:06.477 PROUD TO TALK ABOUT. WE STARTED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. 24:06.479 --> 24:12.349 WE STARTED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. WE DID A TRANSLOCATION. 24:12.351 --> 24:13.818 WE DID A TRANSLOCATION. WE CAPTURED TURKEYS IN MEXICO, 24:13.820 --> 24:16.020 WE CAPTURED TURKEYS IN MEXICO, BROUGHT THEM HERE. 24:16.022 --> 24:18.289 BROUGHT THEM HERE. NOW WE HAVE A SOURCE POPULATION 24:18.291 --> 24:24.628 NOW WE HAVE A SOURCE POPULATION IN THE WACHUKKAS WE USE TO 24:24.630 --> 24:26.030 IN THE WACHUKKAS WE USE TO ENHANCE OTHER POPULATIONS IN THE 24:26.032 --> 24:26.697 ENHANCE OTHER POPULATIONS IN THE REGION. 24:26.699 --> 24:28.065 REGION. RECENTLY WE ALSO TRADED WITH NEW 24:28.067 --> 24:29.133 RECENTLY WE ALSO TRADED WITH NEW MEXICO. 24:29.135 --> 24:32.102 MEXICO. WE TRADED 60 TURKEYS FOR 24:32.104 --> 24:33.437 WE TRADED 60 TURKEYS FOR ANTELOPE, PRONG HISTORIED 24:33.439 --> 24:34.371 ANTELOPE, PRONG HISTORIED ANTELOPE, ANOTHER SPECIES WE'RE 24:34.373 --> 24:36.373 ANTELOPE, ANOTHER SPECIES WE'RE WORKING ON TO ENHANCE THE 24:36.375 --> 24:36.774 WORKING ON TO ENHANCE THE POPULATION. 24:36.776 --> 24:39.944 POPULATION. OUR POPULATION OF PRONG HORN 24:39.946 --> 24:40.744 OUR POPULATION OF PRONG HORN ANTELOPE WAS CONTINUING TO 24:40.746 --> 24:41.712 ANTELOPE WAS CONTINUING TO DECLINE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL 24:41.714 --> 24:45.950 DECLINE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 24:45.952 --> 24:47.551 YEARS. AND NOW THIS YEAR, WE'RE 24:47.553 --> 24:49.353 AND NOW THIS YEAR, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE NUMBERS GO 24:49.355 --> 24:49.920 STARTING TO SEE THE NUMBERS GO UP AGAIN. 24:49.922 --> 24:51.689 UP AGAIN. SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. 24:51.691 --> 24:53.090 SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. >> AS YOU STRESS, IT TAKES TIME. 24:53.092 --> 24:54.124 >> AS YOU STRESS, IT TAKES TIME. >> IT TAKES TIME. 24:54.126 --> 24:55.292 >> IT TAKES TIME. IT TAKES YEARS. 24:55.294 --> 24:57.294 IT TAKES YEARS. IT TAKES -- IT COULD TAKE THREE 24:57.296 --> 24:59.296 IT TAKES -- IT COULD TAKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO BRING THOSE 24:59.298 --> 24:59.930 OR FOUR YEARS TO BRING THOSE POPULATIONS BACK. 24:59.932 --> 25:01.866 POPULATIONS BACK. AGAIN, I WILL SAY THAT WE DON'T 25:01.868 --> 25:06.070 AGAIN, I WILL SAY THAT WE DON'T FOCUS JUST ON BIG GAME, WE FOCUS 25:06.072 --> 25:10.441 FOCUS JUST ON BIG GAME, WE FOCUS ON NONGAME SPECIES, GILA TROUT, 25:10.443 --> 25:12.543 ON NONGAME SPECIES, GILA TROUT, LEOPARD FROGS, BLACK TAILED 25:12.545 --> 25:17.581 LEOPARD FROGS, BLACK TAILED PRAIRIE DOGS, ALL WILDLIFE 25:17.583 --> 25:17.915 PRAIRIE DOGS, ALL WILDLIFE SPECIES. 25:17.917 --> 25:20.317 SPECIES. BECAUSE WE WANT THEM HERE 20 25:20.319 --> 25:22.419 BECAUSE WE WANT THEM HERE 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 50 YEARS FROM 25:22.421 --> 25:23.220 YEARS FROM NOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW. 25:23.222 --> 25:25.022 NOW. OVERALL ALL WILDLIFE SPECIES 25:25.024 --> 25:27.024 OVERALL ALL WILDLIFE SPECIES NATIVE TO THE STATE, IT'S WORTH 25:27.026 --> 25:28.425 NATIVE TO THE STATE, IT'S WORTH REINTRODUCING THEM BACK TO THE 25:28.427 --> 25:29.860 REINTRODUCING THEM BACK TO THE AREAS THAT THEY MAY BE LACKING. 25:29.862 --> 25:30.995 AREAS THAT THEY MAY BE LACKING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO 25:30.997 --> 25:34.098 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE TO WORK AND DO GOOD 25:34.100 --> 25:34.932 CONTINUE TO WORK AND DO GOOD WILDLIFE CONSERVATION TO GET 25:34.934 --> 25:36.567 WILDLIFE CONSERVATION TO GET THOSE SPECIES BACK TO NORMAL. 25:36.569 --> 25:37.668 THOSE SPECIES BACK TO NORMAL. SO OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS CAN 25:37.670 --> 25:41.739 SO OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS CAN SEE THOSE IN THE FUTURE. 25:41.741 --> 25:43.040 SEE THOSE IN THE FUTURE. >> ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA IS 25:43.042 --> 25:44.174 >> ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA IS COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING THE 25:44.176 --> 25:45.676 COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE 25:45.678 --> 25:47.411 CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE TRANSLOCATION OF THE BIG HORN 25:47.413 --> 25:47.711 TRANSLOCATION OF THE BIG HORN SHEEP. 25:47.713 --> 25:49.513 SHEEP. YOU CAN STAY UP TO STATE WITH 25:49.515 --> 25:53.651 YOU CAN STAY UP TO STATE WITH THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS ON 25:53.653 --> 25:54.118 THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS ON NEWS.AZPM.ORG. 25:54.120 --> 25:55.553 NEWS.AZPM.ORG. >>> OTHER NEWS WITH WHAT'S 25:55.555 --> 25:58.255 >>> OTHER NEWS WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE STATE CAPITOL. 25:58.257 --> 26:00.424 HAPPENING AT THE STATE CAPITOL. HERE WITH US IS POLITICAL 26:00.426 --> 26:01.258 HERE WITH US IS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT CHRISTOPHER 26:01.260 --> 26:01.592 CORRESPONDENT CHRISTOPHER CONOVER. 26:01.594 --> 26:03.260 CONOVER. WHAT'S GOING ON? 26:03.262 --> 26:05.162 WHAT'S GOING ON? >> BIG STORY THIS WEEK WAS THE 26:05.164 --> 26:06.063 >> BIG STORY THIS WEEK WAS THE REPEAL OF A BILL. 26:06.065 --> 26:07.598 REPEAL OF A BILL. LAST YEAR THE LEGISLATURE PASSED 26:07.600 --> 26:09.500 LAST YEAR THE LEGISLATURE PASSED THE SWEEPING ELECTION REFORM 26:09.502 --> 26:09.800 THE SWEEPING ELECTION REFORM BILL. 26:09.802 --> 26:13.137 BILL. IT ENDED UP 140,000 PEOPLE SI 26:13.139 --> 26:14.338 IT ENDED UP 140,000 PEOPLE SI SIGNED A PETITION, PUT IT ON THE 26:14.340 --> 26:16.273 SIGNED A PETITION, PUT IT ON THE BALLOT TO REPEAL IT THIS 26:16.275 --> 26:16.640 BALLOT TO REPEAL IT THIS NOVEMBER. 26:16.642 --> 26:20.444 NOVEMBER. THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO 26:20.446 --> 26:21.579 THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO REPEAL IT THEMSELVES BEFORE THAT 26:21.581 --> 26:21.912 REPEAL IT THEMSELVES BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. 26:21.914 --> 26:24.214 HAPPENS. AND THE HOUSE PASSED IT THIS 26:24.216 --> 26:24.515 AND THE HOUSE PASSED IT THIS WEEK. 26:24.517 --> 26:26.183 WEEK. THE BIG CONCERN THOUGH IS THAT 26:26.185 --> 26:28.452 THE BIG CONCERN THOUGH IS THAT STATE LAWMAKERS WILL GO AHEAD 26:28.454 --> 26:29.320 STATE LAWMAKERS WILL GO AHEAD AND REPEAL IT. 26:29.322 --> 26:30.621 AND REPEAL IT. THE SENATOR AND GOVERNOR HAVE TO 26:30.623 --> 26:31.155 THE SENATOR AND GOVERNOR HAVE TO CHIME IN. 26:31.157 --> 26:31.922 CHIME IN. THEN TRY AND PUT IT BACK IN 26:31.924 --> 26:34.892 THEN TRY AND PUT IT BACK IN LITTLE PIECES. 26:34.894 --> 26:36.660 LITTLE PIECES. CHAD CAMPBELL, THE HOUSE 26:36.662 --> 26:38.329 CHAD CAMPBELL, THE HOUSE MINORITY LEADER, SAID HIS 26:38.331 --> 26:41.098 MINORITY LEADER, SAID HIS CONCERN IS A FRANKENSTEIN BILL 26:41.100 --> 26:43.567 CONCERN IS A FRANKENSTEIN BILL PLUNDERING THE VILLAGE OF 26:43.569 --> 26:43.934 PLUNDERING THE VILLAGE OF ARIZONA. 26:43.936 --> 26:44.468 ARIZONA. >> PRETTY DRAMATIC. 26:44.470 --> 26:45.936 >> PRETTY DRAMATIC. >> IT WAS, IT WAS. 26:45.938 --> 26:47.338 >> IT WAS, IT WAS. >> HOW SOON MIGHT WE SEE SOME 26:47.340 --> 26:49.640 >> HOW SOON MIGHT WE SEE SOME ACTUALLY START TO TAKE EFFECT 26:49.642 --> 26:50.207 ACTUALLY START TO TAKE EFFECT FOR VOTERS. 26:50.209 --> 26:51.542 FOR VOTERS. >> THE SENATE COULD TAKE IT UP 26:51.544 --> 26:53.978 >> THE SENATE COULD TAKE IT UP NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER. 26:53.980 --> 26:54.979 NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER. THEN IT'S THE GOVERNOR. 26:54.981 --> 26:57.548 THEN IT'S THE GOVERNOR. ALL OF IT'S ON HOLD WHILE THIS 26:57.550 --> 26:58.315 ALL OF IT'S ON HOLD WHILE THIS GETS WORKED OUT. 26:58.317 --> 27:00.317 GETS WORKED OUT. IF IT GETS REPEALED IT WON'T GO 27:00.319 --> 27:00.985 IF IT GETS REPEALED IT WON'T GO INTO EFFECT AT ALL. 27:00.987 --> 27:01.952 INTO EFFECT AT ALL. THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT 27:01.954 --> 27:04.021 THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BALLOT 27:04.023 --> 27:04.421 HAPPENS TO THE BALLOT INITIATIVE? 27:04.423 --> 27:06.256 INITIATIVE? EVEN THOUGH IT'S THERE. 27:06.258 --> 27:07.191 EVEN THOUGH IT'S THERE. AND THE FACT THAT THE BILL 27:07.193 --> 27:09.159 AND THE FACT THAT THE BILL DOESN'T OR THE LAW DOESN'T EXIST 27:09.161 --> 27:09.760 DOESN'T OR THE LAW DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. 27:09.762 --> 27:11.161 ANYMORE. WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT BALLOT 27:11.163 --> 27:11.562 WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT BALLOT INITIATIVE? 27:11.564 --> 27:13.197 INITIATIVE? >> WHAT ABOUT THIS NEXT WEEK? 27:13.199 --> 27:15.666 >> WHAT ABOUT THIS NEXT WEEK? ANYTHING MAJOR TO LOOK FORWARD 27:15.668 --> 27:16.166 ANYTHING MAJOR TO LOOK FORWARD TO AT THIS POINT? 27:16.168 --> 27:17.501 TO AT THIS POINT? >> THIS NEXT WEEK WE HAVE MORE 27:17.503 --> 27:18.669 >> THIS NEXT WEEK WE HAVE MORE APPROPRIATIONS FOR EDUCATION 27:18.671 --> 27:20.504 APPROPRIATIONS FOR EDUCATION COMING UP IN COMMITTEE. 27:20.506 --> 27:22.906 COMING UP IN COMMITTEE. AND OF COURSE FURTHER VOTES ON 27:22.908 --> 27:24.241 AND OF COURSE FURTHER VOTES ON THIS ELECTION BILL WILL PROBABLY 27:24.243 --> 27:25.476 THIS ELECTION BILL WILL PROBABLY BE THE BIG ISSUES. 27:25.478 --> 27:26.944 BE THE BIG ISSUES. >> A LOT TO COME IN THIS 27:26.946 --> 27:29.513 >> A LOT TO COME IN THIS SESSION, WE EXPECT TO WRAP UP 27:29.515 --> 27:29.847 SESSION, WE EXPECT TO WRAP UP LATER. 27:29.849 --> 27:30.648 LATER. >> SOMETIME PROBABLY APRIL, 27:30.650 --> 27:31.115 >> SOMETIME PROBABLY APRIL, EARLY MAY. 27:31.117 --> 27:32.182 EARLY MAY. >> CHRISTOPHER CONOVER, THANK 27:32.184 --> 27:34.184 >> CHRISTOPHER CONOVER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEGISLATIVE 27:34.186 --> 27:34.818 YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEGISLATIVE WRAP THIS WEEK. 27:34.820 --> 27:36.253 WRAP THIS WEEK. AND THAT DOES IT FOR THIS 27:36.255 --> 27:37.421 AND THAT DOES IT FOR THIS EDITION OF "ARIZONA WEEK." 27:37.423 --> 27:40.724 EDITION OF "ARIZONA WEEK." FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC 27:40.726 --> 27:42.626 FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA, I'M LORRAINE RIVERA.