1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,407 >>> BRING IT BACK, A TRANSLOCATION PROJECT MONTHS IN 2 00:00:08,409 --> 00:00:09,341 TRANSLOCATION PROJECT MONTHS IN THE MAKING ALREADY IGNITING A 3 00:00:09,343 --> 00:00:11,744 THE MAKING ALREADY IGNITING A FIRESTORM OF EMOTIONS. 4 00:00:11,746 --> 00:00:13,746 FIRESTORM OF EMOTIONS. >> THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE 5 00:00:13,748 --> 00:00:14,613 >> THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE SPECIES THAT THEY WANT, THEY 6 00:00:14,615 --> 00:00:17,049 SPECIES THAT THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE SPECIES THAT 7 00:00:17,051 --> 00:00:18,150 WANT TO REMOVE THE SPECIES THAT INTERFERE WITH THIS POPULATION 8 00:00:18,152 --> 00:00:20,619 INTERFERE WITH THIS POPULATION THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE. 9 00:00:20,621 --> 00:00:22,788 THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE. AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE 10 00:00:22,790 --> 00:00:24,490 AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND 11 00:00:24,492 --> 00:00:25,824 COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND 12 00:00:25,826 --> 00:00:28,961 KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO THE 13 00:00:28,963 --> 00:00:29,361 FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO THE WILDERNESS. 14 00:00:29,363 --> 00:00:30,295 WILDERNESS. >> DUST AND LIGHT. 15 00:00:30,297 --> 00:00:31,463 >> DUST AND LIGHT. THE ARIZONA FISH AND GAME 16 00:00:31,465 --> 00:00:32,698 THE ARIZONA FISH AND GAME DEPARTMENT STANDING BY ITS PLAN 17 00:00:32,700 --> 00:00:33,665 DEPARTMENT STANDING BY ITS PLAN AND DEFENDING ITS MISSION. 18 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:35,134 AND DEFENDING ITS MISSION. >> WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE 19 00:00:35,136 --> 00:00:40,506 >> WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE TWO NEW LANDS AS OF TODAY. 20 00:00:40,508 --> 00:00:41,573 TWO NEW LANDS AS OF TODAY. TWO NEW LAMBS. 21 00:00:41,575 --> 00:00:42,708 TWO NEW LAMBS. THEY'RE ABOUT A MONTH EACH. 22 00:00:42,710 --> 00:00:44,943 THEY'RE ABOUT A MONTH EACH. THAT'S TO PROVE THEY MADE IT FOR 23 00:00:44,945 --> 00:00:45,277 THAT'S TO PROVE THEY MADE IT FOR A MONTH. 24 00:00:45,279 --> 00:00:46,378 A MONTH. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. 25 00:00:46,380 --> 00:00:47,780 THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. >> FOR THE FIRST TIME THE PUBLIC 26 00:00:47,782 --> 00:00:48,947 >> FOR THE FIRST TIME THE PUBLIC HEARS FROM THE WILDLIFE EXPERTS 27 00:00:48,949 --> 00:00:50,416 HEARS FROM THE WILDLIFE EXPERTS BEHIND THE PROJECT. 28 00:00:50,418 --> 00:01:01,260 BEHIND THE PROJECT. THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." 29 00:01:01,262 --> 00:01:15,707 >>> BIG HORN SHEEP ARE NATIVE TO ARIZONA AND DECADES AGO THRIVED 30 00:01:15,709 --> 00:01:17,376 ARIZONA AND DECADES AGO THRIVED IN THE CATALINA MOUNTAIN RANGE. 31 00:01:17,378 --> 00:01:18,644 IN THE CATALINA MOUNTAIN RANGE. BUT THE HERD DIED OFF. 32 00:01:18,646 --> 00:01:20,412 BUT THE HERD DIED OFF. THEN ARIZONA GAME AND FISH 33 00:01:20,414 --> 00:01:21,947 THEN ARIZONA GAME AND FISH DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO BRING IN 34 00:01:21,949 --> 00:01:23,148 DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO BRING IN A NEW HERD. 35 00:01:23,150 --> 00:01:23,816 A NEW HERD. A PROJECT FOUR YEARS IN THE 36 00:01:23,818 --> 00:01:25,651 A PROJECT FOUR YEARS IN THE MAKING. 37 00:01:25,653 --> 00:01:28,187 MAKING. HERE NOW IS A MAN BEHIND THAT 38 00:01:28,189 --> 00:01:31,056 HERE NOW IS A MAN BEHIND THAT PROJECT, RAUL VEGA, REGION FIVE 39 00:01:31,058 --> 00:01:31,790 PROJECT, RAUL VEGA, REGION FIVE SUPERVISOR FOR ARIZONA GAME AND 40 00:01:31,792 --> 00:01:34,026 SUPERVISOR FOR ARIZONA GAME AND FISH. 41 00:01:34,028 --> 00:01:35,861 FISH. >> IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW 42 00:01:35,863 --> 00:01:38,430 >> IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW CHALLENGES SINCE THE TIME WE 43 00:01:38,432 --> 00:01:38,831 CHALLENGES SINCE THE TIME WE STARTED. 44 00:01:38,833 --> 00:01:40,332 STARTED. I THINK, LIKE YOU MENTION, 45 00:01:40,334 --> 00:01:42,401 I THINK, LIKE YOU MENTION, HAVING A REALLY GOOD SOURCE 46 00:01:42,403 --> 00:01:44,236 HAVING A REALLY GOOD SOURCE POPULATION WHERE WE CAN GET THE 47 00:01:44,238 --> 00:01:45,037 POPULATION WHERE WE CAN GET THE SHEEP FROM. 48 00:01:45,039 --> 00:01:45,904 SHEEP FROM. THE OTHER THING WAS, WAS IT THE 49 00:01:45,906 --> 00:01:48,874 THE OTHER THING WAS, WAS IT THE RIGHT TIME? 50 00:01:48,876 --> 00:01:50,776 RIGHT TIME? AND THE OTHER -- THAT WE HAVE A 51 00:01:50,778 --> 00:01:52,411 AND THE OTHER -- THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT 52 00:01:52,413 --> 00:01:54,513 PROCESS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT THAT PUT US AT THE VERY TOP. 53 00:01:54,515 --> 00:01:56,849 THAT PUT US AT THE VERY TOP. AND IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS JUST 54 00:01:56,851 --> 00:01:58,016 AND IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS JUST THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT 55 00:01:58,018 --> 00:02:00,953 THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT THIS YEAR. 56 00:02:00,955 --> 00:02:02,454 THIS YEAR. AND THAT IS -- VARIOUS OTHER 57 00:02:02,456 --> 00:02:03,188 AND THAT IS -- VARIOUS OTHER REASONS, OF COURSE. 58 00:02:03,190 --> 00:02:03,956 REASONS, OF COURSE. THAT'S INCLUDING SOME OF THE 59 00:02:03,958 --> 00:02:05,357 THAT'S INCLUDING SOME OF THE MOST RECENT FIRES THAT WE HAD IN 60 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:07,593 MOST RECENT FIRES THAT WE HAD IN THE MOUNTAIN RANGE THERE, IN THE 61 00:02:07,595 --> 00:02:09,027 THE MOUNTAIN RANGE THERE, IN THE CATALINAS, THAT ALLOW US TO DO 62 00:02:09,029 --> 00:02:09,361 CATALINAS, THAT ALLOW US TO DO THIS. 63 00:02:09,363 --> 00:02:10,762 THIS. IT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE 64 00:02:10,764 --> 00:02:11,063 IT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIME. 65 00:02:11,065 --> 00:02:12,431 TIME. >> YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT 66 00:02:12,433 --> 00:02:15,734 >> YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT CAPTURE OF THE HERD IN THE YUMA 67 00:02:15,736 --> 00:02:17,736 CAPTURE OF THE HERD IN THE YUMA AREA AND YOU SAW TO IT THEY WERE 68 00:02:17,738 --> 00:02:18,103 AREA AND YOU SAW TO IT THEY WERE RELOCATED. 69 00:02:18,105 --> 00:02:19,905 RELOCATED. CAN YOU DESCRIBE LOGISTICALLY 70 00:02:19,907 --> 00:02:21,273 CAN YOU DESCRIBE LOGISTICALLY WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEING THERE TO 71 00:02:21,275 --> 00:02:21,974 WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEING THERE TO WATCH IT HAPPEN? 72 00:02:21,976 --> 00:02:23,041 WATCH IT HAPPEN? >> YES. 73 00:02:23,043 --> 00:02:24,543 >> YES. IT WAS A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE 74 00:02:24,545 --> 00:02:25,410 IT WAS A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR ME. 75 00:02:25,412 --> 00:02:28,380 FOR ME. I THINK THE FACT I WAS ABLE TO 76 00:02:28,382 --> 00:02:29,381 I THINK THE FACT I WAS ABLE TO SEE THESE ANIMALS ON THE GROUND 77 00:02:29,383 --> 00:02:32,718 SEE THESE ANIMALS ON THE GROUND AND BE ABLE TO JUST HAVE THAT 78 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,353 AND BE ABLE TO JUST HAVE THAT CONNECTION, TOUCH THEM, PUT THE 79 00:02:34,355 --> 00:02:36,021 CONNECTION, TOUCH THEM, PUT THE COLLARS, GPS COLLARS ON THEM, 80 00:02:36,023 --> 00:02:37,456 COLLARS, GPS COLLARS ON THEM, LOAD THEM UP TO THE TRAILERS TO 81 00:02:37,458 --> 00:02:38,624 LOAD THEM UP TO THE TRAILERS TO BRING THEM OVER HERE. 82 00:02:38,626 --> 00:02:41,226 BRING THEM OVER HERE. IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR 83 00:02:41,228 --> 00:02:41,493 IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR ME. 84 00:02:41,495 --> 00:02:44,930 ME. AND I THINK THAT GAVE ME A VERY 85 00:02:44,932 --> 00:02:45,597 AND I THINK THAT GAVE ME A VERY GOOD SENSE THAT THIS IS THE 86 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:47,633 GOOD SENSE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 87 00:02:47,635 --> 00:02:49,301 RIGHT THING TO DO. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO 88 00:02:49,303 --> 00:02:50,736 >> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, THAT 89 00:02:50,738 --> 00:02:51,803 WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, THAT WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT 90 00:02:51,805 --> 00:02:52,638 WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 91 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:54,740 THING TO DO. BUT YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR 92 00:02:54,742 --> 00:02:56,108 BUT YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR EDUCATION, IS IN WILDLIFE 93 00:02:56,110 --> 00:02:56,742 EDUCATION, IS IN WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT. 94 00:02:56,744 --> 00:02:57,476 MANAGEMENT. DESCRIBE WHY THIS WAS IMPORTANT 95 00:02:57,478 --> 00:02:58,911 DESCRIBE WHY THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU. 96 00:02:58,913 --> 00:03:03,148 TO YOU. >> OUR DEPARTMENT HAS SOME 97 00:03:03,150 --> 00:03:04,049 >> OUR DEPARTMENT HAS SOME MISSIONS LIKE ANY OTHER 98 00:03:04,051 --> 00:03:04,449 MISSIONS LIKE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT. 99 00:03:04,451 --> 00:03:06,051 DEPARTMENT. OUR MISSION IS TO RESTORE NATIVE 100 00:03:06,053 --> 00:03:08,053 OUR MISSION IS TO RESTORE NATIVE WILDLIFE POPULATIONS ANYWHERE 101 00:03:08,055 --> 00:03:08,687 WILDLIFE POPULATIONS ANYWHERE THAT WE CAN. 102 00:03:08,689 --> 00:03:12,024 THAT WE CAN. MY BACKGROUND AS A WILDLIFE 103 00:03:12,026 --> 00:03:12,991 MY BACKGROUND AS A WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST AND WILDLIFE 104 00:03:12,993 --> 00:03:13,992 BIOLOGIST AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT IS WHAT I DO. 105 00:03:13,994 --> 00:03:16,495 MANAGEMENT IS WHAT I DO. IT'S MY PASSION. 106 00:03:16,497 --> 00:03:19,164 IT'S MY PASSION. I THINK THAT HAVING THIS 107 00:03:19,166 --> 00:03:20,265 I THINK THAT HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN ONE OF THE 108 00:03:20,267 --> 00:03:21,400 OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN ONE OF THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME 109 00:03:21,402 --> 00:03:24,603 GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT. 110 00:03:24,605 --> 00:03:25,604 AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT. WITH THIS NEW PROCESS AND 111 00:03:25,606 --> 00:03:27,172 WITH THIS NEW PROCESS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. 112 00:03:27,174 --> 00:03:29,141 EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. IT'S JUST -- IT'S REALLY AMAZING 113 00:03:29,143 --> 00:03:30,842 IT'S JUST -- IT'S REALLY AMAZING HOW FAR WE'VE COME ON THIS. 114 00:03:30,844 --> 00:03:32,945 HOW FAR WE'VE COME ON THIS. >> YOU HAVE LOST SOME SHEEP UP 115 00:03:32,947 --> 00:03:34,379 >> YOU HAVE LOST SOME SHEEP UP THERE TO MOUNTAIN LIONS. 116 00:03:34,381 --> 00:03:35,214 THERE TO MOUNTAIN LIONS. WAS THAT A SURPRISE TO YOU? 117 00:03:35,216 --> 00:03:38,951 WAS THAT A SURPRISE TO YOU? >> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE. 118 00:03:38,953 --> 00:03:41,553 >> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE. IT IS A SURPRISE ON HOW FAST 119 00:03:41,555 --> 00:03:42,287 IT IS A SURPRISE ON HOW FAST IT'S HAPPENING. 120 00:03:42,289 --> 00:03:43,989 IT'S HAPPENING. BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FACT 121 00:03:43,991 --> 00:03:46,391 BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT WE NEED NEW TECHNOLOGY, 122 00:03:46,393 --> 00:03:47,125 THAT WE NEED NEW TECHNOLOGY, STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY THAT 123 00:03:47,127 --> 00:03:52,297 STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY THAT IS ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO 124 00:03:52,299 --> 00:03:54,299 IS ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND FAIRLY QUICK TO THE 125 00:03:54,301 --> 00:03:54,700 RESPOND FAIRLY QUICK TO THE MORTALITIES. 126 00:03:54,702 --> 00:03:56,134 MORTALITIES. AND WE GET SIGNALS FROM THE 127 00:03:56,136 --> 00:03:58,203 AND WE GET SIGNALS FROM THE SATELLITE IMMEDIATELY, ALMOST. 128 00:03:58,205 --> 00:03:59,972 SATELLITE IMMEDIATELY, ALMOST. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE 129 00:03:59,974 --> 00:04:04,876 AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE FACTORS WHY THIS IS SO DIFFERENT 130 00:04:04,878 --> 00:04:06,845 FACTORS WHY THIS IS SO DIFFERENT AND WHY WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION 131 00:04:06,847 --> 00:04:07,946 AND WHY WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT HAND, PROVIDE THAT 132 00:04:07,948 --> 00:04:08,647 AT HAND, PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AS WE CAN TO THE 133 00:04:08,649 --> 00:04:10,182 INFORMATION AS WE CAN TO THE PUBLIC. 134 00:04:10,184 --> 00:04:11,516 PUBLIC. >> THERE'S NO SURPRISE TO YOU 135 00:04:11,518 --> 00:04:14,820 >> THERE'S NO SURPRISE TO YOU THAT MOUNTAIN LIONS PREY ON 136 00:04:14,822 --> 00:04:15,120 THAT MOUNTAIN LIONS PREY ON SHEEP. 137 00:04:15,122 --> 00:04:16,722 SHEEP. BUT PEOPLE ARE UPSET, 138 00:04:16,724 --> 00:04:18,590 BUT PEOPLE ARE UPSET, PARTICULARLY UPSET, THAT GAME 139 00:04:18,592 --> 00:04:20,359 PARTICULARLY UPSET, THAT GAME AND FISH HAS THEN GONE OUT TO 140 00:04:20,361 --> 00:04:21,560 AND FISH HAS THEN GONE OUT TO REMOVE THOSE MOUNTAIN LIONS. 141 00:04:21,562 --> 00:04:23,595 REMOVE THOSE MOUNTAIN LIONS. WHY HAVE YOU DONE THAT? 142 00:04:23,597 --> 00:04:26,231 WHY HAVE YOU DONE THAT? >> IT IS PART OF THE PREDATOR 143 00:04:26,233 --> 00:04:27,399 >> IT IS PART OF THE PREDATOR MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE CREATED 144 00:04:27,401 --> 00:04:28,500 MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE CREATED FOR THE COMMUNITY. 145 00:04:28,502 --> 00:04:30,302 FOR THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT HAS 146 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:31,803 THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT HAS BEEN VERY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS 147 00:04:31,805 --> 00:04:32,137 BEEN VERY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROJECT. 148 00:04:32,139 --> 00:04:34,306 PROJECT. WE HAVE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, 149 00:04:34,308 --> 00:04:35,307 WE HAVE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE THAT CAME 150 00:04:35,309 --> 00:04:39,211 PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE THAT CAME FROM OTHER GROUPS, OUR 151 00:04:39,213 --> 00:04:42,014 FROM OTHER GROUPS, OUR STAKEHOLDERS, THAT ALL TOGETHER 152 00:04:42,016 --> 00:04:44,716 STAKEHOLDERS, THAT ALL TOGETHER WE PUT THIS MANAGEMENT PLAN IN. 153 00:04:44,718 --> 00:04:46,118 WE PUT THIS MANAGEMENT PLAN IN. AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BEST 154 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,553 AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BEST MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT I'VE SEEN 155 00:04:48,555 --> 00:04:51,023 MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY CAREER. 156 00:04:51,025 --> 00:04:53,892 IN MY CAREER. AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY 157 00:04:53,894 --> 00:04:55,127 AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSERVATIVE AS TO HOW WE WERE 158 00:04:55,129 --> 00:04:56,695 CONSERVATIVE AS TO HOW WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS. 159 00:04:56,697 --> 00:04:59,598 GOING TO DO THIS. BUT WE CAUTIOUSLY PLANNED THIS 160 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,367 BUT WE CAUTIOUSLY PLANNED THIS SO WE'RE NOT TAKING TOO MANY 161 00:05:02,369 --> 00:05:05,037 SO WE'RE NOT TAKING TOO MANY LIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 162 00:05:05,039 --> 00:05:08,740 LIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A VIABLE 163 00:05:08,742 --> 00:05:10,409 OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A VIABLE POPULATION OF SHEEP THAT CAN 164 00:05:10,411 --> 00:05:11,910 POPULATION OF SHEEP THAT CAN COEXIST WITH MOUNTAIN LIONS IN 165 00:05:11,912 --> 00:05:13,011 COEXIST WITH MOUNTAIN LIONS IN THE FUTURE. 166 00:05:13,013 --> 00:05:15,180 THE FUTURE. >> WILL THERE COME A POINT WHERE 167 00:05:15,182 --> 00:05:16,748 >> WILL THERE COME A POINT WHERE THE MOUNTAIN LIONS CONTINUE TO 168 00:05:16,750 --> 00:05:18,250 THE MOUNTAIN LIONS CONTINUE TO PREY ON THE SHEEP BUT YOU DECIDE 169 00:05:18,252 --> 00:05:20,252 PREY ON THE SHEEP BUT YOU DECIDE NOT TO REMOVE THE MOUNTAIN 170 00:05:20,254 --> 00:05:20,585 NOT TO REMOVE THE MOUNTAIN LIONS. 171 00:05:20,587 --> 00:05:21,920 LIONS. >> THERE WILL BE A POINT WHEN WE 172 00:05:21,922 --> 00:05:23,355 >> THERE WILL BE A POINT WHEN WE ESTABLISH THE VIABLE POPULATION 173 00:05:23,357 --> 00:05:25,223 ESTABLISH THE VIABLE POPULATION OF SHEEP UP THERE THAT THAT 174 00:05:25,225 --> 00:05:25,991 OF SHEEP UP THERE THAT THAT WON'T BE -- THAT WOULD NOT BE 175 00:05:25,993 --> 00:05:29,761 WON'T BE -- THAT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY. 176 00:05:29,763 --> 00:05:33,031 NECESSARY. I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE VERY 177 00:05:33,033 --> 00:05:34,866 I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC AND THAT'S GOING TO 178 00:05:34,868 --> 00:05:36,401 OPTIMISTIC AND THAT'S GOING TO HOPEFULLY BE THE CASE. 179 00:05:36,403 --> 00:05:38,403 HOPEFULLY BE THE CASE. >> BUT MOUNTAIN LIONS AND SHEEP, 180 00:05:38,405 --> 00:05:39,771 >> BUT MOUNTAIN LIONS AND SHEEP, THEY CAN LIVE TOGETHER ON THIS 181 00:05:39,773 --> 00:05:40,572 THEY CAN LIVE TOGETHER ON THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE? 182 00:05:40,574 --> 00:05:41,673 MOUNTAIN RANGE? >> THEY CAN COEXIST TOGETHER. 183 00:05:41,675 --> 00:05:43,208 >> THEY CAN COEXIST TOGETHER. THEY'VE DONE IT FOR MILLIONS OF 184 00:05:43,210 --> 00:05:44,409 THEY'VE DONE IT FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS BEFORE. 185 00:05:44,411 --> 00:05:47,179 YEARS BEFORE. AND IT'S A NEW PROCESS, NEW 186 00:05:47,181 --> 00:05:47,579 AND IT'S A NEW PROCESS, NEW TECHNOLOGY. 187 00:05:47,581 --> 00:05:50,615 TECHNOLOGY. AND WE'RE ALL LEARNING. 188 00:05:50,617 --> 00:05:53,285 AND WE'RE ALL LEARNING. THE STORY THAT WE HAVE AT THIS 189 00:05:53,287 --> 00:05:56,655 THE STORY THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IS NOT BEING TOLD BY 190 00:05:56,657 --> 00:05:57,022 POINT IS NOT BEING TOLD BY MORTALITY. 191 00:05:57,024 --> 00:05:57,789 MORTALITY. IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT. 192 00:05:57,791 --> 00:05:59,558 IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT. THERE'S A BIGGER STORY. 193 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,194 THERE'S A BIGGER STORY. AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD WAIT AND 194 00:06:02,196 --> 00:06:02,461 AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD WAIT AND SEE. 195 00:06:02,463 --> 00:06:04,162 SEE. WE'VE GOT A BIGGER STORY LATER. 196 00:06:04,164 --> 00:06:06,865 WE'VE GOT A BIGGER STORY LATER. >> AND THERE IS SOME PROOF OF 197 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:07,199 >> AND THERE IS SOME PROOF OF SUCCESS. 198 00:06:07,201 --> 00:06:07,833 SUCCESS. TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. 199 00:06:07,835 --> 00:06:09,534 TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. >> YES, THAT MAKES ME VERY 200 00:06:09,536 --> 00:06:09,835 >> YES, THAT MAKES ME VERY HAPPY. 201 00:06:09,837 --> 00:06:11,970 HAPPY. WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE TWO 202 00:06:11,972 --> 00:06:14,306 WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE TWO NEW LAMBS AS OF TODAY. 203 00:06:14,308 --> 00:06:16,708 NEW LAMBS AS OF TODAY. AND THEY'RE ABOUT 1 MONTH OLD 204 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:17,008 AND THEY'RE ABOUT 1 MONTH OLD EACH. 205 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:18,043 EACH. AND THAT'S JUST TO PROVE THAT 206 00:06:18,045 --> 00:06:19,611 AND THAT'S JUST TO PROVE THAT THEY MADE IT FOR A MONTH NOW. 207 00:06:19,613 --> 00:06:23,582 THEY MADE IT FOR A MONTH NOW. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. 208 00:06:23,584 --> 00:06:24,950 THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. WE'RE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT 209 00:06:24,952 --> 00:06:25,951 WE'RE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK. 210 00:06:25,953 --> 00:06:27,586 THIS IS GOING TO WORK. AND THERE IS THE PROOF THERE. 211 00:06:27,588 --> 00:06:29,154 AND THERE IS THE PROOF THERE. >> WHAT HAPPENS IF WE LOSE ALL 212 00:06:29,156 --> 00:06:30,722 >> WHAT HAPPENS IF WE LOSE ALL OF THE BIG HORN SHEEP UP THERE? 213 00:06:30,724 --> 00:06:32,090 OF THE BIG HORN SHEEP UP THERE? WILL THAT HAPPEN, IS THAT 214 00:06:32,092 --> 00:06:32,457 WILL THAT HAPPEN, IS THAT POSSIBLE? 215 00:06:32,459 --> 00:06:34,159 POSSIBLE? >> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. 216 00:06:34,161 --> 00:06:35,527 >> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO 217 00:06:35,529 --> 00:06:36,862 AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO RECONVENE WITH OUR COMMITTEE 218 00:06:36,864 --> 00:06:38,563 RECONVENE WITH OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND MAKE A DECISION AT 219 00:06:38,565 --> 00:06:38,964 MEMBERS AND MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT. 220 00:06:38,966 --> 00:06:40,866 THAT POINT. BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. 221 00:06:40,868 --> 00:06:42,667 BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE 222 00:06:42,669 --> 00:06:43,969 >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE NAYSAYERS OUT THERE, THE PEOPLE 223 00:06:43,971 --> 00:06:45,537 NAYSAYERS OUT THERE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANGRY AND FRUSTRATED 224 00:06:45,539 --> 00:06:48,540 WHO ARE ANGRY AND FRUSTRATED WITH GAME AND FISH ABOUT THIS 225 00:06:48,542 --> 00:06:48,874 WITH GAME AND FISH ABOUT THIS PROJECT? 226 00:06:48,876 --> 00:06:52,043 PROJECT? >> I WOULD SAY TO -- LIKE I 227 00:06:52,045 --> 00:06:53,812 >> I WOULD SAY TO -- LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STORY IS 228 00:06:53,814 --> 00:06:54,646 MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STORY IS NOT OVER YET. 229 00:06:54,648 --> 00:06:58,483 NOT OVER YET. TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY. 230 00:06:58,485 --> 00:07:01,620 TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY. THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS 231 00:07:01,622 --> 00:07:02,754 THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. 232 00:07:02,756 --> 00:07:06,324 THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE HAVE DONE OVER 2,000 233 00:07:06,326 --> 00:07:08,727 WE HAVE DONE OVER 2,000 TRANSLOCATIONS OF WILDLIFE 234 00:07:08,729 --> 00:07:09,094 TRANSLOCATIONS OF WILDLIFE SPECIES. 235 00:07:09,096 --> 00:07:09,961 SPECIES. >> YOU'VE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE 236 00:07:09,963 --> 00:07:11,196 >> YOU'VE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE MEDIA BEFORE ON THIS BUT YOU 237 00:07:11,198 --> 00:07:11,763 MEDIA BEFORE ON THIS BUT YOU SAID THIS IS THE TIME. 238 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:13,965 SAID THIS IS THE TIME. WHY IS IT THE TIME NOW? 239 00:07:13,967 --> 00:07:16,902 WHY IS IT THE TIME NOW? >> THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING 240 00:07:16,904 --> 00:07:20,705 >> THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING SOME GOOD POINTS, YOU KNOW. 241 00:07:20,707 --> 00:07:22,174 SOME GOOD POINTS, YOU KNOW. WHY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED. 242 00:07:22,176 --> 00:07:25,377 WHY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED. AND I THINK THE LACK OF 243 00:07:25,379 --> 00:07:28,313 AND I THINK THE LACK OF INFORMATION PROVIDED -- WE HAVE 244 00:07:28,315 --> 00:07:29,648 INFORMATION PROVIDED -- WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS PRIOR TO 245 00:07:29,650 --> 00:07:30,582 THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS PRIOR TO THE RELEASE. 246 00:07:30,584 --> 00:07:32,918 THE RELEASE. AND WE HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE COME 247 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,486 AND WE HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE COME TO THOSE MEETINGS. 248 00:07:34,488 --> 00:07:37,522 TO THOSE MEETINGS. WE HAD UP TO SIX ARTICLES IN 249 00:07:37,524 --> 00:07:39,691 WE HAD UP TO SIX ARTICLES IN "THE DAILY STAR" PRIOR TO THE 250 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:40,025 "THE DAILY STAR" PRIOR TO THE RELEASE. 251 00:07:40,027 --> 00:07:41,426 RELEASE. AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME. 252 00:07:41,428 --> 00:07:43,795 AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME. WE WANT PEOPLE TO TELL US WHAT 253 00:07:43,797 --> 00:07:44,463 WE WANT PEOPLE TO TELL US WHAT THEY THINK. 254 00:07:44,465 --> 00:07:46,097 THEY THINK. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 255 00:07:46,099 --> 00:07:47,466 I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. WILDLIFE BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC 256 00:07:47,468 --> 00:07:49,100 WILDLIFE BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM. 257 00:07:49,102 --> 00:07:51,403 AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM. WE PROVIDED THAT PRIOR TO THE 258 00:07:51,405 --> 00:07:51,837 WE PROVIDED THAT PRIOR TO THE RELEASE. 259 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:53,104 RELEASE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET 260 00:07:53,106 --> 00:07:54,906 UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET THOSE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME. 261 00:07:54,908 --> 00:07:56,842 THOSE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME. BUT WE CONTINUE TO ASK THE 262 00:07:56,844 --> 00:07:58,009 BUT WE CONTINUE TO ASK THE PUBLIC, GO AHEAD AND LET US KNOW 263 00:07:58,011 --> 00:07:58,477 PUBLIC, GO AHEAD AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. 264 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:01,813 WHAT YOU THINK. IT'S IMPORTANT. 265 00:08:01,815 --> 00:08:03,215 IT'S IMPORTANT. >> IT'S UNKNOWN EXACTLY HOW MANY 266 00:08:03,217 --> 00:08:05,116 >> IT'S UNKNOWN EXACTLY HOW MANY MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE IN THE 267 00:08:05,118 --> 00:08:05,484 MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE IN THE CATALINAS. 268 00:08:05,486 --> 00:08:07,719 CATALINAS. BUT LAST YEAR, GAME AND FISH 269 00:08:07,721 --> 00:08:09,521 BUT LAST YEAR, GAME AND FISH RECEIVED 100 CALLS OF REPORTED 270 00:08:09,523 --> 00:08:10,989 RECEIVED 100 CALLS OF REPORTED SIGHTINGS IN THAT MOUNTAIN 271 00:08:10,991 --> 00:08:11,289 SIGHTINGS IN THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE. 272 00:08:11,291 --> 00:08:12,958 RANGE. GAME AND FISH IS NOT ALONE ON 273 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:13,692 GAME AND FISH IS NOT ALONE ON THIS PROJECT. 274 00:08:13,694 --> 00:08:14,793 THIS PROJECT. THE AGENCY IS WORKING WITH A 275 00:08:14,795 --> 00:08:16,895 THE AGENCY IS WORKING WITH A GROUP OF CITIZENS WITH A WIDE 276 00:08:16,897 --> 00:08:17,496 GROUP OF CITIZENS WITH A WIDE RANGE OF EXPERIENCE AND 277 00:08:17,498 --> 00:08:20,699 RANGE OF EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE. 278 00:08:20,701 --> 00:08:22,901 EXPERTISE. JOE SHEEHEY, MEMBER OF THE 279 00:08:22,903 --> 00:08:24,202 JOE SHEEHEY, MEMBER OF THE CATALINA BIG HORN ADVISORY 280 00:08:24,204 --> 00:08:25,136 CATALINA BIG HORN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, DESCRIBE THIS 281 00:08:25,138 --> 00:08:26,137 COMMITTEE, DESCRIBE THIS COMMITTEE, WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES 282 00:08:26,139 --> 00:08:26,738 COMMITTEE, WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES DURING THIS PROCESS. 283 00:08:26,740 --> 00:08:29,875 DURING THIS PROCESS. >> WELL, THIS COMMITTEE IS MADE 284 00:08:29,877 --> 00:08:32,344 >> WELL, THIS COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF MEMBERS FROM THE 285 00:08:32,346 --> 00:08:35,313 UP OF MEMBERS FROM THE SPORTSMEN'S GROUP AROUND TUCSON 286 00:08:35,315 --> 00:08:36,681 SPORTSMEN'S GROUP AROUND TUCSON AND OF SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL 287 00:08:36,683 --> 00:08:38,583 AND OF SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AROUND TUCSON. 288 00:08:38,585 --> 00:08:42,020 GROUPS AROUND TUCSON. AND WE CAME TOGETHER TO PUT 289 00:08:42,022 --> 00:08:44,256 AND WE CAME TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THIS 290 00:08:44,258 --> 00:08:46,958 TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THIS RELOCATION. 291 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,294 RELOCATION. WITH MANY, MANY FACETS AND 292 00:08:49,296 --> 00:08:51,530 WITH MANY, MANY FACETS AND ASPECTS TO IT. 293 00:08:51,532 --> 00:08:52,163 ASPECTS TO IT. CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST 294 00:08:52,165 --> 00:08:54,065 CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT WAS THE PREDATOR 295 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:55,534 IMPORTANT WAS THE PREDATOR MANAGEMENT PLAN AND HOW WE WOULD 296 00:08:55,536 --> 00:09:02,474 MANAGEMENT PLAN AND HOW WE WOULD GOING TO DEAL WITH POTENTIAL 297 00:09:02,476 --> 00:09:03,174 GOING TO DEAL WITH POTENTIAL BRE 298 00:09:03,176 --> 00:09:03,875 BRE PREDATION ISSUES, AS WELL AS 299 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:06,244 PREDATION ISSUES, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE 300 00:09:06,246 --> 00:09:07,012 MANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE RELOCATION PROJECT ITSELF. 301 00:09:07,014 --> 00:09:08,680 RELOCATION PROJECT ITSELF. >> YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR 302 00:09:08,682 --> 00:09:10,015 >> YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR EDUCATION, IS IN BIOLOGY. 303 00:09:10,017 --> 00:09:11,216 EDUCATION, IS IN BIOLOGY. SO YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 304 00:09:11,218 --> 00:09:12,984 SO YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BIG HORN SHEEP AND HOW HE 305 00:09:12,986 --> 00:09:13,752 THE BIG HORN SHEEP AND HOW HE WOULD FUNCTION IN THE MOUNTAINS. 306 00:09:13,754 --> 00:09:16,054 WOULD FUNCTION IN THE MOUNTAINS. >> A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. 307 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:18,123 >> A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. AND PLUS IN '70s AND '80S I 308 00:09:18,125 --> 00:09:21,393 AND PLUS IN '70s AND '80S I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE 309 00:09:21,395 --> 00:09:22,260 SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE INDIGENOUS POPULATION THAT WAS 310 00:09:22,262 --> 00:09:24,863 INDIGENOUS POPULATION THAT WAS THERE IN THE CATALINAS BACK 311 00:09:24,865 --> 00:09:25,497 THERE IN THE CATALINAS BACK THEN. 312 00:09:25,499 --> 00:09:28,366 THEN. >> DESCRIBE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE 313 00:09:28,368 --> 00:09:28,733 >> DESCRIBE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BACK THEN. 314 00:09:28,735 --> 00:09:29,601 BACK THEN. HOW BIG WAS THE HERD? 315 00:09:29,603 --> 00:09:31,703 HOW BIG WAS THE HERD? >> I DON'T THINK THE HERD WAS 316 00:09:31,705 --> 00:09:34,039 >> I DON'T THINK THE HERD WAS ANY LARGER, AT LEAST IN MY 317 00:09:34,041 --> 00:09:36,841 ANY LARGER, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAN 100 ANIMALS. 318 00:09:36,843 --> 00:09:38,577 EXPERIENCE, THAN 100 ANIMALS. BUT IT SEEMED TO BE A VERY 319 00:09:38,579 --> 00:09:41,546 BUT IT SEEMED TO BE A VERY HEALTHY, SELF-SUSTAINING 320 00:09:41,548 --> 00:09:42,681 HEALTHY, SELF-SUSTAINING POPULATION. 321 00:09:42,683 --> 00:09:46,384 POPULATION. THE SHEEP WERE A VERY 322 00:09:46,386 --> 00:09:49,187 THE SHEEP WERE A VERY UNIQUE-LOOKING DESERT BIG HORN. 323 00:09:49,189 --> 00:09:52,490 UNIQUE-LOOKING DESERT BIG HORN. THEY HAD LOTS OF HAIR. 324 00:09:52,492 --> 00:09:53,391 THEY HAD LOTS OF HAIR. VERY HEAVY SHEEP. 325 00:09:53,393 --> 00:09:56,761 VERY HEAVY SHEEP. AND I THINK THAT HAD TO DO WITH 326 00:09:56,763 --> 00:09:58,930 AND I THINK THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE LUSH VEGETATION THAT THEY 327 00:09:58,932 --> 00:10:01,232 THE LUSH VEGETATION THAT THEY HAD TO FORAGE ON COMPARED TO 328 00:10:01,234 --> 00:10:02,334 HAD TO FORAGE ON COMPARED TO SHEEP IN OTHER MOUNTAIN RANGES. 329 00:10:02,336 --> 00:10:04,002 SHEEP IN OTHER MOUNTAIN RANGES. >> FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE UP 330 00:10:04,004 --> 00:10:05,670 >> FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE UP TO SPEED ON THIS STORY, WOULD 331 00:10:05,672 --> 00:10:06,805 TO SPEED ON THIS STORY, WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO 332 00:10:06,807 --> 00:10:07,505 YOU DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT HERD BACK THEN? 333 00:10:07,507 --> 00:10:10,609 THAT HERD BACK THEN? >> WELL, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW 334 00:10:10,611 --> 00:10:11,209 >> WELL, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 335 00:10:11,211 --> 00:10:13,979 WHAT HAPPENED. THERE'S BEEN FOUR OR FIVE 336 00:10:13,981 --> 00:10:14,746 THERE'S BEEN FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT REASONS GIVEN. 337 00:10:14,748 --> 00:10:16,948 DIFFERENT REASONS GIVEN. AND IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION 338 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:19,784 AND IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION OF THOSE. 339 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:24,889 OF THOSE. BUT ANYTHING FROM DISEASE TO 340 00:10:24,891 --> 00:10:25,490 BUT ANYTHING FROM DISEASE TO PREDATION TO POPULATION 341 00:10:25,492 --> 00:10:28,393 PREDATION TO POPULATION PRESSURE. 342 00:10:28,395 --> 00:10:31,396 PRESSURE. THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN AS 343 00:10:31,398 --> 00:10:34,065 THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN AS EXAMPLES OF WHY THOSE SHEEP 344 00:10:34,067 --> 00:10:34,432 EXAMPLES OF WHY THOSE SHEEP DECLINED. 345 00:10:34,434 --> 00:10:36,635 DECLINED. >> WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHY YOU 346 00:10:36,637 --> 00:10:37,702 >> WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHY YOU SUPPORTED THE MOVEMENT, THE 347 00:10:37,704 --> 00:10:39,938 SUPPORTED THE MOVEMENT, THE RELOCATION OF THE HERD FROM YUMA 348 00:10:39,940 --> 00:10:40,872 RELOCATION OF THE HERD FROM YUMA TO THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE? 349 00:10:40,874 --> 00:10:43,608 TO THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE? >> WELL, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE, 350 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:44,809 >> WELL, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE, IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO ME GIVEN 351 00:10:44,811 --> 00:10:46,978 IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO ME GIVEN THE FACT THAT I SPENT A LOT OF 352 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:48,380 THE FACT THAT I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE SHEEP HERD THAT 353 00:10:48,382 --> 00:10:49,748 TIME WITH THE SHEEP HERD THAT WAS IN THERE. 354 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:53,251 WAS IN THERE. AND TO ME, THIS MOUNTAIN JUST 355 00:10:53,253 --> 00:10:54,853 AND TO ME, THIS MOUNTAIN JUST NEEDS -- BIG HORN SHEEP SHOULD 356 00:10:54,855 --> 00:10:56,321 NEEDS -- BIG HORN SHEEP SHOULD BE IN THIS MOUNTAIN. 357 00:10:56,323 --> 00:10:58,223 BE IN THIS MOUNTAIN. THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE 358 00:10:58,225 --> 00:11:00,525 THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE, AND I THINK 359 00:11:00,527 --> 00:11:01,793 ALWAYS THERE, AND I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE 360 00:11:01,795 --> 00:11:04,029 THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY OF TUCSON TO HAVE BIG 361 00:11:04,031 --> 00:11:06,164 COMMUNITY OF TUCSON TO HAVE BIG HORN SHEEP IN THAT MOUNTAIN 362 00:11:06,166 --> 00:11:06,498 HORN SHEEP IN THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE. 363 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:09,234 RANGE. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 364 00:11:09,236 --> 00:11:10,068 >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PREDATION FACTOR. 365 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:11,670 PREDATION FACTOR. IT HAS UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO 366 00:11:11,672 --> 00:11:13,138 IT HAS UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA 367 00:11:13,140 --> 00:11:13,505 THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA INITIALLY. 368 00:11:13,507 --> 00:11:14,272 INITIALLY. THIS IS PERHAPS SOMETHING THEY 369 00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:15,473 THIS IS PERHAPS SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T THINK WOULD HAPPEN OR 370 00:11:15,475 --> 00:11:16,675 DIDN'T THINK WOULD HAPPEN OR THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT IT 371 00:11:16,677 --> 00:11:19,411 THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT IT HAPPENED SO QUICKLY. 372 00:11:19,413 --> 00:11:21,946 HAPPENED SO QUICKLY. DESCRIBE THE BIOLOGY OF THINGS 373 00:11:21,948 --> 00:11:23,114 DESCRIBE THE BIOLOGY OF THINGS AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON 374 00:11:23,116 --> 00:11:23,782 AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE. 375 00:11:23,784 --> 00:11:25,083 THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE. >> WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS GOING 376 00:11:25,085 --> 00:11:25,350 >> WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS GOING ON. 377 00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:27,552 ON. WE HAVE A LOT OF MOUNTAIN LIONS. 378 00:11:27,554 --> 00:11:31,189 WE HAVE A LOT OF MOUNTAIN LIONS. MANY MORE MOUNTAIN LIONS THAN 379 00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:33,291 MANY MORE MOUNTAIN LIONS THAN SHEEP, THAT'S BECOME OBVIOUS. 380 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:35,060 SHEEP, THAT'S BECOME OBVIOUS. THE SHEEP HAVE DONE WHAT SHEEP 381 00:11:35,062 --> 00:11:37,395 THE SHEEP HAVE DONE WHAT SHEEP DO IN A TYPICAL RELOCATION. 382 00:11:37,397 --> 00:11:39,364 DO IN A TYPICAL RELOCATION. AND THAT'S DISPERSE. 383 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:42,000 AND THAT'S DISPERSE. IN THIS CASE, SOME OF THE 384 00:11:42,002 --> 00:11:45,737 IN THIS CASE, SOME OF THE COUNTRY THAT THEY DISPERSE TO 385 00:11:45,739 --> 00:11:46,838 COUNTRY THAT THEY DISPERSE TO INITIALLY WAS NOT VERY GOOD 386 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,973 INITIALLY WAS NOT VERY GOOD SHEEP COUNTRY. 387 00:11:48,975 --> 00:11:51,242 SHEEP COUNTRY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE VERY GOOD 388 00:11:51,244 --> 00:11:52,444 THEY DIDN'T HAVE VERY GOOD ESCAPE TERRAIN. 389 00:11:52,446 --> 00:11:55,647 ESCAPE TERRAIN. AND I THINK THEY BECAME FAIRLY 390 00:11:55,649 --> 00:11:58,650 AND I THINK THEY BECAME FAIRLY EASY PREY TO MOUNTAIN LIONS. 391 00:11:58,652 --> 00:12:02,020 EASY PREY TO MOUNTAIN LIONS. GRADUALLY, THE SHEEP ARE COMING 392 00:12:02,022 --> 00:12:03,688 GRADUALLY, THE SHEEP ARE COMING INTO MORE WHAT WE WOULD CALL 393 00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:06,024 INTO MORE WHAT WE WOULD CALL TRADITIONAL SHEEP COUNTRY. 394 00:12:06,026 --> 00:12:08,960 TRADITIONAL SHEEP COUNTRY. AND HOPEFULLY THIS PREDATION 395 00:12:08,962 --> 00:12:10,729 AND HOPEFULLY THIS PREDATION WILL LEVEL OFF NOW. 396 00:12:10,731 --> 00:12:11,963 WILL LEVEL OFF NOW. >> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE TO 397 00:12:11,965 --> 00:12:12,230 >> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE TO YOU? 398 00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:15,734 YOU? >> NO, IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE. 399 00:12:15,736 --> 00:12:20,939 >> NO, IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE. IT IS DISAPPOINTING, THE RATE OF 400 00:12:20,941 --> 00:12:21,306 IT IS DISAPPOINTING, THE RATE OF PREDATION. 401 00:12:21,308 --> 00:12:22,807 PREDATION. LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THIS -- 402 00:12:22,809 --> 00:12:24,976 LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THIS -- SOME OF THESE INCIDENTS HAVE 403 00:12:24,978 --> 00:12:26,578 SOME OF THESE INCIDENTS HAVE HAPPENED WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR 404 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:29,080 HAPPENED WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SHEEP 405 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:30,682 LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SHEEP SHOULDN'T BE. 406 00:12:30,684 --> 00:12:32,450 SHOULDN'T BE. AND HOPEFULLY AS THESE SHEEP 407 00:12:32,452 --> 00:12:34,486 AND HOPEFULLY AS THESE SHEEP MOVE INTO MORE TRADITIONAL BIG 408 00:12:34,488 --> 00:12:37,655 MOVE INTO MORE TRADITIONAL BIG HORN SHEEP TERRAIN, WE'LL HAVE A 409 00:12:37,657 --> 00:12:39,224 HORN SHEEP TERRAIN, WE'LL HAVE A LOT LESS INCIDENTS OF MOUNTAIN 410 00:12:39,226 --> 00:12:41,359 LOT LESS INCIDENTS OF MOUNTAIN LION PREDATION. 411 00:12:41,361 --> 00:12:43,428 LION PREDATION. >> OPPONENTS OF THE PLAN SAY 412 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:45,663 >> OPPONENTS OF THE PLAN SAY THAT THE SHEEP DON'T HAVE THE 413 00:12:45,665 --> 00:12:47,766 THAT THE SHEEP DON'T HAVE THE GEOGRAPHY THEY NEED TO SURVIVE. 414 00:12:47,768 --> 00:12:49,167 GEOGRAPHY THEY NEED TO SURVIVE. DO THEY OUT IN THAT RANGE? 415 00:12:49,169 --> 00:12:53,004 DO THEY OUT IN THAT RANGE? >> THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF 416 00:12:53,006 --> 00:12:55,173 >> THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COUNTRY FOR SHEEP. 417 00:12:55,175 --> 00:12:57,509 COUNTRY FOR SHEEP. YOU KNOW, PLUS NOW WE'VE HAD TWO 418 00:12:57,511 --> 00:13:00,078 YOU KNOW, PLUS NOW WE'VE HAD TWO MAJOR FIRES UP THERE THAT HAVE 419 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,814 MAJOR FIRES UP THERE THAT HAVE REALLY OPENED UP A LOT MORE 420 00:13:02,816 --> 00:13:03,481 REALLY OPENED UP A LOT MORE HABITAT THAN THE SHEEP HAD 421 00:13:03,483 --> 00:13:06,718 HABITAT THAN THE SHEEP HAD ORIGINALLY. 422 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,354 ORIGINALLY. SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS A LONG 423 00:13:09,356 --> 00:13:10,755 SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS A LONG WAY FROM THE TRUTH. 424 00:13:10,757 --> 00:13:14,526 WAY FROM THE TRUTH. I MEAN, THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE 425 00:13:14,528 --> 00:13:15,760 I MEAN, THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE COULD PROBABLY HANDLE A WHOLE 426 00:13:15,762 --> 00:13:17,061 COULD PROBABLY HANDLE A WHOLE LOT OF SHEEP. 427 00:13:17,063 --> 00:13:19,197 LOT OF SHEEP. >> WE'VE ONLY GONE THREE OR SO 428 00:13:19,199 --> 00:13:20,298 >> WE'VE ONLY GONE THREE OR SO MONTHS INTO THIS PROJECT. 429 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,066 MONTHS INTO THIS PROJECT. HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN IT HAS 430 00:13:22,068 --> 00:13:22,734 HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL? 431 00:13:22,736 --> 00:13:23,768 BEEN SUCCESSFUL? IS THERE A TIMELINE? 432 00:13:23,770 --> 00:13:26,137 IS THERE A TIMELINE? >> WELL, THERE IS NOT A 433 00:13:26,139 --> 00:13:26,504 >> WELL, THERE IS NOT A TIMELINE. 434 00:13:26,506 --> 00:13:27,806 TIMELINE. A LOT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT 435 00:13:27,808 --> 00:13:31,342 A LOT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? 436 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:31,810 HAPPENS NEXT? WE'VE LOST TEN. 437 00:13:31,812 --> 00:13:34,712 WE'VE LOST TEN. TEN SHEEP. 438 00:13:34,714 --> 00:13:35,380 TEN SHEEP. WE'RE CERTAINLY FAR FROM 439 00:13:35,382 --> 00:13:39,017 WE'RE CERTAINLY FAR FROM THROWING IN THE TOWEL. 440 00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:40,985 THROWING IN THE TOWEL. I THINK THIS PROJECT CAN BE 441 00:13:40,987 --> 00:13:42,086 I THINK THIS PROJECT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. 442 00:13:42,088 --> 00:13:44,355 SUCCESSFUL. ULTIMATELY, IT WILL BE 443 00:13:44,357 --> 00:13:47,091 ULTIMATELY, IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE HAVE A 444 00:13:47,093 --> 00:13:48,760 SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE HAVE A SELF-SUSTAINING POPULATION UP 445 00:13:48,762 --> 00:13:51,062 SELF-SUSTAINING POPULATION UP THERE THAT LIVES IN HARMONY WITH 446 00:13:51,064 --> 00:13:54,766 THERE THAT LIVES IN HARMONY WITH ALL THE FACTORS THAT LIMIT BIG 447 00:13:54,768 --> 00:13:57,035 ALL THE FACTORS THAT LIMIT BIG HORN SHEEP. 448 00:13:57,037 --> 00:13:57,702 HORN SHEEP. PREDATION, DISEASE, AND 449 00:13:57,704 --> 00:13:58,303 PREDATION, DISEASE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 450 00:13:58,305 --> 00:13:59,337 EVERYTHING ELSE. >> THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL ON THE 451 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:00,705 >> THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL ON THE FENCE ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT 452 00:14:00,707 --> 00:14:01,506 FENCE ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS ISSUE. 453 00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:02,674 THIS ISSUE. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM? 454 00:14:02,676 --> 00:14:04,642 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM? >> I WOULD SAY, GIVE THIS A 455 00:14:04,644 --> 00:14:05,376 >> I WOULD SAY, GIVE THIS A CHANCE. 456 00:14:05,378 --> 00:14:07,245 CHANCE. CERTAINLY ANYONE WHO HAD THE 457 00:14:07,247 --> 00:14:09,180 CERTAINLY ANYONE WHO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TO 458 00:14:09,182 --> 00:14:10,815 OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TO LOOK UP THERE AND SEE A BIG HORN 459 00:14:10,817 --> 00:14:13,284 LOOK UP THERE AND SEE A BIG HORN SHEEP STANDING ON A ROCK, IF 460 00:14:13,286 --> 00:14:16,054 SHEEP STANDING ON A ROCK, IF THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND 461 00:14:16,056 --> 00:14:18,056 THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND 462 00:14:18,058 --> 00:14:19,624 ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND HOW MEANINGFUL THIS PROJECT IS, 463 00:14:19,626 --> 00:14:22,360 HOW MEANINGFUL THIS PROJECT IS, THEN NOTHING WOULD. 464 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:24,128 THEN NOTHING WOULD. >> GAME AND FISH BROUGHT A TOTAL 465 00:14:24,130 --> 00:14:26,064 >> GAME AND FISH BROUGHT A TOTAL OF 31 SHEEP TO THE MOUNTAIN 466 00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:26,364 OF 31 SHEEP TO THE MOUNTAIN RANGE. 467 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:27,932 RANGE. THE PROJECT STARTED IN NOVEMBER. 468 00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:29,267 THE PROJECT STARTED IN NOVEMBER. HERE WE ARE IN FEBRUARY. 469 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:31,302 HERE WE ARE IN FEBRUARY. AND ONE-THIRD OF THE HERD HAS 470 00:14:31,304 --> 00:14:31,703 AND ONE-THIRD OF THE HERD HAS DIED. 471 00:14:31,705 --> 00:14:33,404 DIED. GAME AND FISH ALSO KILLED TWO 472 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:34,906 GAME AND FISH ALSO KILLED TWO MOUNTAIN LIONS THAT PREYED ON 473 00:14:34,908 --> 00:14:36,007 MOUNTAIN LIONS THAT PREYED ON THE SHEEP. 474 00:14:36,009 --> 00:14:38,643 THE SHEEP. AND JUST THIS WEEK, NEWS OF TWO 475 00:14:38,645 --> 00:14:42,313 AND JUST THIS WEEK, NEWS OF TWO LAMB BIRTHS. 476 00:14:42,315 --> 00:14:45,617 LAMB BIRTHS. VANESSA BARCHFIELD HAS MORE ON 477 00:14:45,619 --> 00:14:46,351 VANESSA BARCHFIELD HAS MORE ON THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE 478 00:14:46,353 --> 00:14:52,824 THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE TRANSLOCATION. 479 00:14:52,826 --> 00:14:54,959 TRANSLOCATION. >> JUST AS THE REINTRODUCTION OF 480 00:14:54,961 --> 00:14:56,961 >> JUST AS THE REINTRODUCTION OF BIG HORN SHEEP UNITED A STRANGE 481 00:14:56,963 --> 00:14:59,030 BIG HORN SHEEP UNITED A STRANGE GROUP OF SUPPORTERS, A WIDE 482 00:14:59,032 --> 00:15:00,999 GROUP OF SUPPORTERS, A WIDE CROSS SECTION OF TUCSONENS HAVE 483 00:15:01,001 --> 00:15:01,833 CROSS SECTION OF TUCSONENS HAVE VOICED OPPOSITION. 484 00:15:01,835 --> 00:15:03,401 VOICED OPPOSITION. INCLUDING HIKERS, 485 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:04,235 INCLUDING HIKERS, ENVIRONMENTALISTS, AND OTHER 486 00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:05,570 ENVIRONMENTALISTS, AND OTHER CONCERNED RESIDENTS FROM ACROSS 487 00:15:05,572 --> 00:15:09,874 CONCERNED RESIDENTS FROM ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. 488 00:15:09,876 --> 00:15:11,042 THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. WHILE THE PROJECT STIRRED 489 00:15:11,044 --> 00:15:12,644 WHILE THE PROJECT STIRRED CONTROVERSY FROM THE BEGINNING, 490 00:15:12,646 --> 00:15:13,711 CONTROVERSY FROM THE BEGINNING, TEMPERS FLARED WITH THE 491 00:15:13,713 --> 00:15:14,979 TEMPERS FLARED WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT THE DEPARTMENT OF 492 00:15:14,981 --> 00:15:16,481 ANNOUNCEMENT THE DEPARTMENT OF GAME AND FISH HAD KILLED TWO 493 00:15:16,483 --> 00:15:17,982 GAME AND FISH HAD KILLED TWO MOUNTAIN LIONS FOR PREYING ON 494 00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:18,716 MOUNTAIN LIONS FOR PREYING ON BIG HORN SHEEP TWO WEEKS AFTER 495 00:15:18,718 --> 00:15:20,685 BIG HORN SHEEP TWO WEEKS AFTER THEIR RELEASE. 496 00:15:20,687 --> 00:15:24,155 THEIR RELEASE. TUCSON RESIDENTS SAY IT WAS THE 497 00:15:24,157 --> 00:15:25,423 TUCSON RESIDENTS SAY IT WAS THE MOUNTAIN LION'S KILLING THAT 498 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:26,557 MOUNTAIN LION'S KILLING THAT PROMPTED HIM AND SEVERAL OTHER 499 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:28,426 PROMPTED HIM AND SEVERAL OTHER CONCERNED RESIDENTS TO FORM 500 00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:30,762 CONCERNED RESIDENTS TO FORM FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS, A GROUP 501 00:15:30,764 --> 00:15:32,030 FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS, A GROUP DEDICATED TO STOPPING THE 502 00:15:32,032 --> 00:15:33,665 DEDICATED TO STOPPING THE INTRODUCTION OF BIG HORN TO THE 503 00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:34,065 INTRODUCTION OF BIG HORN TO THE CATALINAS. 504 00:15:34,067 --> 00:15:35,533 CATALINAS. >> GAME AND FISH WAS NOT 505 00:15:35,535 --> 00:15:36,301 >> GAME AND FISH WAS NOT FORTHCOMING WITH INFORMATION. 506 00:15:36,303 --> 00:15:37,936 FORTHCOMING WITH INFORMATION. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE 507 00:15:37,938 --> 00:15:38,970 IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH THE 508 00:15:38,972 --> 00:15:39,304 FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH THE PROGRAM. 509 00:15:39,306 --> 00:15:40,939 PROGRAM. AND THE MORE I LEARNED, THE MORE 510 00:15:40,941 --> 00:15:42,740 AND THE MORE I LEARNED, THE MORE DISTURBING THE PICTURE HAS 511 00:15:42,742 --> 00:15:43,074 DISTURBING THE PICTURE HAS BECOME. 512 00:15:43,076 --> 00:15:45,710 BECOME. >> HE WORKS WITH ABOUT 14 OTHER 513 00:15:45,712 --> 00:15:47,278 >> HE WORKS WITH ABOUT 14 OTHER PEOPLE IN FRIENDS OF WILD 514 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,081 PEOPLE IN FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS AND THE GROUP HAS 233 515 00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:51,249 ANIMALS AND THE GROUP HAS 233 "LIKES" ON ITS FACEBOOK PAGE. 516 00:15:51,251 --> 00:15:53,251 "LIKES" ON ITS FACEBOOK PAGE. >> WE FEEL LIKE GAME AND FISH IS 517 00:15:53,253 --> 00:15:54,886 >> WE FEEL LIKE GAME AND FISH IS TREATING THE CATALINAS LIKE A 518 00:15:54,888 --> 00:15:55,420 TREATING THE CATALINAS LIKE A STOCK POND. 519 00:15:55,422 --> 00:15:56,688 STOCK POND. THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE SPECIES 520 00:15:56,690 --> 00:15:57,789 THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE SPECIES THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO REMOVE 521 00:15:57,791 --> 00:16:00,558 THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE SPECIES THAT INTERFERED WITH 522 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,994 THE SPECIES THAT INTERFERED WITH THE POPULATION THEY'RE TRYING TO 523 00:16:02,996 --> 00:16:03,361 THE POPULATION THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE. 524 00:16:03,363 --> 00:16:05,029 PRODUCE. AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE 525 00:16:05,031 --> 00:16:06,364 AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND 526 00:16:06,366 --> 00:16:08,232 COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND 527 00:16:08,234 --> 00:16:10,868 KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO 528 00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:11,269 FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO WILDERNESS. 529 00:16:11,271 --> 00:16:14,872 WILDERNESS. AND THAT IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT 530 00:16:14,874 --> 00:16:16,641 AND THAT IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT WE 531 00:16:16,643 --> 00:16:18,242 THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 532 00:16:18,244 --> 00:16:19,444 WOULD LIKE TO SEE. WE THINK THAT WILD ANIMALS 533 00:16:19,446 --> 00:16:21,245 WE THINK THAT WILD ANIMALS SHOULD BE WILD. 534 00:16:21,247 --> 00:16:23,147 SHOULD BE WILD. AND NEITHER THE BIG HORNS OR 535 00:16:23,149 --> 00:16:24,415 AND NEITHER THE BIG HORNS OR MOUNTAINS LIONS ARE BEING GIVEN 536 00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:24,882 MOUNTAINS LIONS ARE BEING GIVEN THAT RESPECT. 537 00:16:24,884 --> 00:16:27,251 THAT RESPECT. >> NOT EVERYONE AGREES. 538 00:16:27,253 --> 00:16:29,620 >> NOT EVERYONE AGREES. HIKER JIM FEMELIS SUPPORTS THE 539 00:16:29,622 --> 00:16:30,855 HIKER JIM FEMELIS SUPPORTS THE REINTRODUCTION OF THE SHEEP, 540 00:16:30,857 --> 00:16:32,023 REINTRODUCTION OF THE SHEEP, PRIMARILY BECAUSE HE'D LIKE TO 541 00:16:32,025 --> 00:16:33,591 PRIMARILY BECAUSE HE'D LIKE TO COME ACROSS THEM DURING HIS 542 00:16:33,593 --> 00:16:34,592 COME ACROSS THEM DURING HIS REGULAR TRAIL HIKES. 543 00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:35,893 REGULAR TRAIL HIKES. HE SAYS HE TRUSTS THAT GAME AND 544 00:16:35,895 --> 00:16:37,662 HE SAYS HE TRUSTS THAT GAME AND FISH KNOWS HOW TO RUN THESE 545 00:16:37,664 --> 00:16:39,297 FISH KNOWS HOW TO RUN THESE SORTS OF REINTRODUCTIONS. 546 00:16:39,299 --> 00:16:40,565 SORTS OF REINTRODUCTIONS. >> THE STATE MUST KNOW 547 00:16:40,567 --> 00:16:41,899 >> THE STATE MUST KNOW SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE WERE DOWN 548 00:16:41,901 --> 00:16:43,401 SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE WERE DOWN TO LIKE 1,500 IN THE STATE AT 549 00:16:43,403 --> 00:16:43,768 TO LIKE 1,500 IN THE STATE AT ONE POINT. 550 00:16:43,770 --> 00:16:46,371 ONE POINT. THEY'RE UP TO 5,000 NOW. 551 00:16:46,373 --> 00:16:50,274 THEY'RE UP TO 5,000 NOW. SO IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, THE 552 00:16:50,276 --> 00:16:55,046 SO IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, THE ODDS ARE BAD SO FAR SINCE 553 00:16:55,048 --> 00:16:57,982 ODDS ARE BAD SO FAR SINCE NOVEMBER, BUT IF THEY'VE GOTTEN 554 00:16:57,984 --> 00:17:00,051 NOVEMBER, BUT IF THEY'VE GOTTEN TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE THE 555 00:17:00,053 --> 00:17:01,185 TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE THE POPULATION, THEY MUST BE DOING 556 00:17:01,187 --> 00:17:01,552 POPULATION, THEY MUST BE DOING SOMETHING. 557 00:17:01,554 --> 00:17:03,554 SOMETHING. AND YOU'VE GOT TO AT LEAST GIVE 558 00:17:03,556 --> 00:17:05,456 AND YOU'VE GOT TO AT LEAST GIVE THEM IF THE OF-YEAR PLAN OR THE 559 00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:05,990 THEM IF THE OF-YEAR PLAN OR THE THREE-YEAR PLAN. 560 00:17:05,992 --> 00:17:08,126 THREE-YEAR PLAN. IT'S NOT COSTING TAXPAYER 561 00:17:08,128 --> 00:17:08,459 IT'S NOT COSTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 562 00:17:08,461 --> 00:17:09,527 DOLLARS. SO WHY NOT? 563 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:11,796 SO WHY NOT? >> OPPONENT BEN SAYS GAME AND 564 00:17:11,798 --> 00:17:12,997 >> OPPONENT BEN SAYS GAME AND FISH HAS NOT ADEQUATELY 565 00:17:12,999 --> 00:17:14,799 FISH HAS NOT ADEQUATELY EXPLAINED THE LOGIC BEHIND THE 566 00:17:14,801 --> 00:17:15,266 EXPLAINED THE LOGIC BEHIND THE REINTRODUCTION. 567 00:17:15,268 --> 00:17:17,668 REINTRODUCTION. >> THEY'VE SIMPLY SAID THAT THEY 568 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:19,570 >> THEY'VE SIMPLY SAID THAT THEY WANT TO REINTRODUCE THE HERD BUT 569 00:17:19,572 --> 00:17:21,305 WANT TO REINTRODUCE THE HERD BUT HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY THAT'S 570 00:17:21,307 --> 00:17:21,672 HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. 571 00:17:21,674 --> 00:17:23,107 IMPORTANT. THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WHETHER 572 00:17:23,109 --> 00:17:24,642 THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WHETHER THERE'S A HUNTING MOTIVATION 573 00:17:24,644 --> 00:17:25,777 THERE'S A HUNTING MOTIVATION BEHIND THAT. 574 00:17:25,779 --> 00:17:27,478 BEHIND THAT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO SUCH 575 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,048 AND THEY'RE GOING TO SUCH EXTREME MEASURES FOR THIS 576 00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:31,516 EXTREME MEASURES FOR THIS PROGRAM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY. 577 00:17:31,518 --> 00:17:34,018 PROGRAM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY. >> MANY OF THE PROGRAM'S 578 00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:34,886 >> MANY OF THE PROGRAM'S CRITICS, INCLUDING FRIENDS OF 579 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:36,521 CRITICS, INCLUDING FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS, SUSPECT HUNTING TO 580 00:17:36,523 --> 00:17:38,256 WILD ANIMALS, SUSPECT HUNTING TO BE AT THE CORE OF THE 581 00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:38,723 BE AT THE CORE OF THE REINTRODUCTION. 582 00:17:38,725 --> 00:17:39,557 REINTRODUCTION. >> GAME AND FISH HAS A LONG 583 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:41,426 >> GAME AND FISH HAS A LONG HISTORY OF VIEWING HUNTERS AND 584 00:17:41,428 --> 00:17:45,196 HISTORY OF VIEWING HUNTERS AND RANCHERS AS THEIR CONSTITUENCY. 585 00:17:45,198 --> 00:17:46,431 RANCHERS AS THEIR CONSTITUENCY. AND IT'S INTRINSIC IN THE 586 00:17:46,433 --> 00:17:47,832 AND IT'S INTRINSIC IN THE CULTURE OF THE AGENCY. 587 00:17:47,834 --> 00:17:52,470 CULTURE OF THE AGENCY. SO BIG HORN SHEEP ARE A VERY 588 00:17:52,472 --> 00:17:55,073 SO BIG HORN SHEEP ARE A VERY POPULAR AND LUCRATIVE GAME 589 00:17:55,075 --> 00:17:55,406 POPULAR AND LUCRATIVE GAME SPECIES. 590 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:57,608 SPECIES. AND MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE VIEWED AS 591 00:17:57,610 --> 00:17:59,143 AND MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE VIEWED AS PESTS BY BOTH HUNTERS AND 592 00:17:59,145 --> 00:17:59,677 PESTS BY BOTH HUNTERS AND RANCHERS. 593 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:01,279 RANCHERS. AND WE SEE THAT ATTITUDE ACROSS 594 00:18:01,281 --> 00:18:03,848 AND WE SEE THAT ATTITUDE ACROSS THE BOARD IN GAME AND FISH 595 00:18:03,850 --> 00:18:04,215 THE BOARD IN GAME AND FISH POLICIES. 596 00:18:04,217 --> 00:18:05,783 POLICIES. >> SINCE MID-DECEMBER, FRIENDS 597 00:18:05,785 --> 00:18:07,685 >> SINCE MID-DECEMBER, FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS HAS ORGANIZED 598 00:18:07,687 --> 00:18:08,786 OF WILD ANIMALS HAS ORGANIZED SEVERAL PROTESTS AT GAME AND 599 00:18:08,788 --> 00:18:10,488 SEVERAL PROTESTS AT GAME AND FISH OFFICES, FILED A PUBLIC 600 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:11,522 FISH OFFICES, FILED A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST ON THE 601 00:18:11,524 --> 00:18:12,657 INFORMATION REQUEST ON THE PROGRAM, AND IS CURRENTLY 602 00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:14,792 PROGRAM, AND IS CURRENTLY PLANNING A PROTEST AT THE FOREST 603 00:18:14,794 --> 00:18:15,326 PLANNING A PROTEST AT THE FOREST SERVICE OFFICE. 604 00:18:15,328 --> 00:18:16,661 SERVICE OFFICE. >> WE FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO 605 00:18:16,663 --> 00:18:18,663 >> WE FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME THRESHOLD AT WHICH THEY 606 00:18:18,665 --> 00:18:20,398 BE SOME THRESHOLD AT WHICH THEY SAY, TOOL MOUNTAIN LIONS HAVE 607 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,699 SAY, TOOL MOUNTAIN LIONS HAVE DIED, TOO MANY SHEEP HAVE DIED 608 00:18:21,701 --> 00:18:23,401 DIED, TOO MANY SHEEP HAVE DIED TOO FAST, AND WE'RE GOING TO 609 00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:24,202 TOO FAST, AND WE'RE GOING TO PULL THE PLUG. 610 00:18:24,204 --> 00:18:25,770 PULL THE PLUG. >> AS IT SEEMS THE STATE DOESN'T 611 00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,505 >> AS IT SEEMS THE STATE DOESN'T EXPECT TO PULL THE PLUG ON ITS 612 00:18:27,507 --> 00:18:28,973 EXPECT TO PULL THE PLUG ON ITS BIG HORN REINTRODUCTION ANY TIME 613 00:18:28,975 --> 00:18:32,143 BIG HORN REINTRODUCTION ANY TIME SOON, THE ISSUE LOOKS SET TO 614 00:18:32,145 --> 00:18:32,977 SOON, THE ISSUE LOOKS SET TO ENERGIZE TUCSON'S PASSIONS FOR 615 00:18:32,979 --> 00:18:37,582 ENERGIZE TUCSON'S PASSIONS FOR SOME TIME TO COME. 616 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:39,283 SOME TIME TO COME. >>> GAME AND FISH FITTED THE BIG 617 00:18:39,285 --> 00:18:41,085 >>> GAME AND FISH FITTED THE BIG HORN SHEEP WITH GPS TRACKERS. 618 00:18:41,087 --> 00:18:42,820 HORN SHEEP WITH GPS TRACKERS. THE TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS THE AGENCY 619 00:18:42,822 --> 00:18:44,822 THE TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS THE AGENCY TO MONITOR THEIR MOVEMENTS. 620 00:18:44,824 --> 00:18:46,491 TO MONITOR THEIR MOVEMENTS. THAT SYSTEM SENDS OFFICERS A 621 00:18:46,493 --> 00:18:48,259 THAT SYSTEM SENDS OFFICERS A SIGNAL WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM 622 00:18:48,261 --> 00:18:50,962 SIGNAL WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM AND IT EVEN LETS OFFICERS KNOW 623 00:18:50,964 --> 00:18:54,132 AND IT EVEN LETS OFFICERS KNOW WHEN ONE OF THE RAMS CROSS THE 624 00:18:54,134 --> 00:18:54,465 WHEN ONE OF THE RAMS CROSS THE HIGHWAY. 625 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,467 HIGHWAY. >> THIS IS THEIR MOVEMENTS. 626 00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:57,768 >> THIS IS THEIR MOVEMENTS. SO FAR, AS YOU CAN SEE, FOR 627 00:18:57,770 --> 00:18:59,437 SO FAR, AS YOU CAN SEE, FOR INSTANCE, LET ME GIVE YOU A GOOD 628 00:18:59,439 --> 00:18:59,770 INSTANCE, LET ME GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE. 629 00:18:59,772 --> 00:19:00,037 EXAMPLE. YOU 630 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:01,472 YOU >> YOU FOLLOW THE -- THIS ONE 631 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:03,741 >> YOU FOLLOW THE -- THIS ONE HERE ON THE WHITE LINE HERE, 632 00:19:03,743 --> 00:19:04,976 HERE ON THE WHITE LINE HERE, THAT IS A MALE THAT HAS BEEN 633 00:19:04,978 --> 00:19:06,577 THAT IS A MALE THAT HAS BEEN TRAVELING ALL THE WAY FROM THE 634 00:19:06,579 --> 00:19:09,180 TRAVELING ALL THE WAY FROM THE RELEASE SITE OVER CLOSER TO -- 635 00:19:09,182 --> 00:19:10,214 RELEASE SITE OVER CLOSER TO -- TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE OF THE 636 00:19:10,216 --> 00:19:10,581 TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. 637 00:19:10,583 --> 00:19:13,451 MOUNTAIN. AND OVER TOWARDS THE CANYON. 638 00:19:13,453 --> 00:19:15,052 AND OVER TOWARDS THE CANYON. LET ME SEE IF I CAN MOVE THAT. 639 00:19:15,054 --> 00:19:16,487 LET ME SEE IF I CAN MOVE THAT. KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON HOW 640 00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:19,023 KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON HOW MUCH THEY MOVE. 641 00:19:19,025 --> 00:19:20,424 MUCH THEY MOVE. THIS IS STATE-OF-THE-ART 642 00:19:20,426 --> 00:19:22,627 THIS IS STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY, IT'S AWESOME BECAUSE 643 00:19:22,629 --> 00:19:23,761 TECHNOLOGY, IT'S AWESOME BECAUSE YOU CAN GET REAL DATA AND YOU 644 00:19:23,763 --> 00:19:25,730 YOU CAN GET REAL DATA AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON 645 00:19:25,732 --> 00:19:28,099 CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS GROUP OF TEN 646 00:19:28,101 --> 00:19:28,633 WITH THIS GROUP OF TEN INDIVIDUALS HERE. 647 00:19:28,635 --> 00:19:30,735 INDIVIDUALS HERE. AND WE GOT -- WE HAVE THEM ALL 648 00:19:30,737 --> 00:19:31,469 AND WE GOT -- WE HAVE THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE HERE. 649 00:19:31,471 --> 00:19:33,204 OVER THE PLACE HERE. LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN A 650 00:19:33,206 --> 00:19:34,906 LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE MORE AND YOU CAN GET A 651 00:19:34,908 --> 00:19:38,142 LITTLE MORE AND YOU CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE 652 00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:38,442 BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 653 00:19:38,444 --> 00:19:42,079 DOING. OBVIOUSLY -- OUR GOAL IS TO SEE 654 00:19:42,081 --> 00:19:46,117 OBVIOUSLY -- OUR GOAL IS TO SEE THEM GROUP UP A LITTLE MORE. 655 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,286 THEM GROUP UP A LITTLE MORE. AND ONCE THEY DO THAT AND THEY 656 00:19:48,288 --> 00:19:49,820 AND ONCE THEY DO THAT AND THEY CHOOSE THE BEST HABITAT FOR 657 00:19:49,822 --> 00:19:52,857 CHOOSE THE BEST HABITAT FOR THEM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE 658 00:19:52,859 --> 00:19:54,292 THEM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IDEAL, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE SAFER 659 00:19:54,294 --> 00:19:57,195 IDEAL, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE SAFER AND I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO 660 00:19:57,197 --> 00:19:58,429 AND I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SURVIVE IN THIS RANGE. 661 00:19:58,431 --> 00:19:59,864 SURVIVE IN THIS RANGE. AS YOU KNOW, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE 662 00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:02,767 AS YOU KNOW, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE GOES ALL THE WAY FROM 3,000 FEET 663 00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:04,202 GOES ALL THE WAY FROM 3,000 FEET TO 9,000 FEET. 664 00:20:04,204 --> 00:20:06,571 TO 9,000 FEET. WE CONTINUE WANT THEM AT 9,000 665 00:20:06,573 --> 00:20:08,139 WE CONTINUE WANT THEM AT 9,000 FEET, WE DON'T THEM TO SELECT 666 00:20:08,141 --> 00:20:09,340 FEET, WE DON'T THEM TO SELECT THAT PERFECT HABITAT FOR THEM. 667 00:20:09,342 --> 00:20:13,010 THAT PERFECT HABITAT FOR THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING. 668 00:20:13,012 --> 00:20:14,679 AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING. THAT'S COMING TOGETHER AS WE 669 00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:14,979 THAT'S COMING TOGETHER AS WE SPEAK. 670 00:20:14,981 --> 00:20:16,847 SPEAK. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF 671 00:20:16,849 --> 00:20:17,448 WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THEM GROUP UP TOGETHER. 672 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:18,316 THEM GROUP UP TOGETHER. AND THIS IS REALLY GOOD. 673 00:20:18,318 --> 00:20:19,850 AND THIS IS REALLY GOOD. PAIR UP, I SHOULD SAY. 674 00:20:19,852 --> 00:20:21,219 PAIR UP, I SHOULD SAY. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD INDICATION 675 00:20:21,221 --> 00:20:21,919 THAT'S A REALLY GOOD INDICATION THEY ARE GETTING COMFORTABLE 676 00:20:21,921 --> 00:20:23,020 THEY ARE GETTING COMFORTABLE WITH THE HABITAT. 677 00:20:23,022 --> 00:20:24,589 WITH THE HABITAT. AND THEY'RE CHOOSING WHERE TO 678 00:20:24,591 --> 00:20:25,256 AND THEY'RE CHOOSING WHERE TO LIVE AND SUCH. 679 00:20:25,258 --> 00:20:26,591 LIVE AND SUCH. SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING. 680 00:20:26,593 --> 00:20:27,725 SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING. >> WHY AREN'T THEY NECESSARILY 681 00:20:27,727 --> 00:20:30,528 >> WHY AREN'T THEY NECESSARILY ALL GROUPED UP BY NOW? 682 00:20:30,530 --> 00:20:31,329 ALL GROUPED UP BY NOW? >> THEY CAME FROM TWO DIFFERENT 683 00:20:31,331 --> 00:20:34,165 >> THEY CAME FROM TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES. 684 00:20:34,167 --> 00:20:36,334 SOURCES. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW -- IT JUST 685 00:20:36,336 --> 00:20:38,202 AND ALSO, YOU KNOW -- IT JUST TAKES AWHILE FOR THEM TO DO 686 00:20:38,204 --> 00:20:38,502 TAKES AWHILE FOR THEM TO DO THAT. 687 00:20:38,504 --> 00:20:39,470 THAT. >> OKAY. 688 00:20:39,472 --> 00:20:41,372 >> OKAY. AND YOU AS GAME AND FISH 689 00:20:41,374 --> 00:20:42,840 AND YOU AS GAME AND FISH OFFICERS, YOU'RE ALERTED EVERY 690 00:20:42,842 --> 00:20:44,642 OFFICERS, YOU'RE ALERTED EVERY TIME THERE'S NO LONGER ANY 691 00:20:44,644 --> 00:20:47,278 TIME THERE'S NO LONGER ANY MOVEMENT FOR ONE THAT HAS A GPS 692 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,446 MOVEMENT FOR ONE THAT HAS A GPS TRACKER WHICH MAY INDICATE A 693 00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:48,879 TRACKER WHICH MAY INDICATE A PROBLEM THIS. 694 00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:54,452 PROBLEM THIS. >> WE GET A MORTALITY SIGNAL. 695 00:20:54,454 --> 00:20:55,386 >> WE GET A MORTALITY SIGNAL. WIND T 696 00:20:55,388 --> 00:20:56,721 WIND T WITHIN TEN HOURS OF THAT COLLAR 697 00:20:56,723 --> 00:20:58,256 WITHIN TEN HOURS OF THAT COLLAR BEING SET IN A PLACE WITHOUT 698 00:20:58,258 --> 00:21:00,258 BEING SET IN A PLACE WITHOUT MOVING WE GET A MORTALITY 699 00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:00,591 MOVING WE GET A MORTALITY SIGNAL. 700 00:21:00,593 --> 00:21:03,894 SIGNAL. AND THAT'S WHAT INITIATES AN 701 00:21:03,896 --> 00:21:04,328 AND THAT'S WHAT INITIATES AN INVESTIGATION. 702 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:06,330 INVESTIGATION. IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE 703 00:21:06,332 --> 00:21:08,165 IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE MORE 704 00:21:08,167 --> 00:21:09,200 REASONS WHY WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT THAN 705 00:21:09,202 --> 00:21:10,735 INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT THAN OTHER PROJECTS. 706 00:21:10,737 --> 00:21:13,237 OTHER PROJECTS. BECAUSE WE HAVE -- THAT'S A NEW 707 00:21:13,239 --> 00:21:14,038 BECAUSE WE HAVE -- THAT'S A NEW TECHNOLOGY WHICH WE'RE STILL 708 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:14,505 TECHNOLOGY WHICH WE'RE STILL WORKING ON. 709 00:21:14,507 --> 00:21:16,607 WORKING ON. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUES 710 00:21:16,609 --> 00:21:17,475 WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUES WITH THE COLLARS. 711 00:21:17,477 --> 00:21:21,212 WITH THE COLLARS. BUT I THINK WE'RE WORKING WITH 712 00:21:21,214 --> 00:21:23,014 BUT I THINK WE'RE WORKING WITH THE MANUFACTURER IN TRYING TO 713 00:21:23,016 --> 00:21:24,649 THE MANUFACTURER IN TRYING TO RESOLVE THE SMALL ISSUES THAT WE 714 00:21:24,651 --> 00:21:25,683 RESOLVE THE SMALL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE COLLARS. 715 00:21:25,685 --> 00:21:27,952 HAVE WITH THE COLLARS. >> THEY'RE ALL HERE. 716 00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:30,554 >> THEY'RE ALL HERE. AS YOU SAID, IT IS YOUR 717 00:21:30,556 --> 00:21:31,289 AS YOU SAID, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING 718 00:21:31,291 --> 00:21:32,023 RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM. 719 00:21:32,025 --> 00:21:33,557 WITH THEM. YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT. 720 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:35,159 YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT. YOU'VE BROUGHT THEM HERE, IT'S 721 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:36,527 YOU'VE BROUGHT THEM HERE, IT'S YOUR JOB TO MANAGE HOW THEY MOVE 722 00:21:36,529 --> 00:21:38,095 YOUR JOB TO MANAGE HOW THEY MOVE FROM THIS POINT ON. 723 00:21:38,097 --> 00:21:42,867 FROM THIS POINT ON. >> INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE 724 00:21:42,869 --> 00:21:44,902 >> INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD -- WE HAD THOSE PUBLIC 725 00:21:44,904 --> 00:21:46,070 HAD -- WE HAD THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS, PRESS RELEASES BEFORE 726 00:21:46,072 --> 00:21:47,672 MEETINGS, PRESS RELEASES BEFORE THE MAIN RELEASE OF THE SHEEP 727 00:21:47,674 --> 00:21:50,174 THE MAIN RELEASE OF THE SHEEP HERE, HOPING TO GET SOME PUBLIC 728 00:21:50,176 --> 00:21:50,474 HERE, HOPING TO GET SOME PUBLIC INPUT. 729 00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:51,876 INPUT. NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SHEEP HERE 730 00:21:51,878 --> 00:21:53,210 NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SHEEP HERE WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY -- WE 731 00:21:53,212 --> 00:21:54,779 WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY -- WE CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT 732 00:21:54,781 --> 00:21:55,046 CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT NOW. 733 00:21:55,048 --> 00:21:58,949 NOW. WE HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. 734 00:21:58,951 --> 00:22:01,252 WE HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. TO HELP THE POPULATIONS. 735 00:22:01,254 --> 00:22:03,354 TO HELP THE POPULATIONS. >> GAME AND FISH SAYS 736 00:22:03,356 --> 00:22:04,989 >> GAME AND FISH SAYS TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS ARE NOT 737 00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:06,490 TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS ARE NOT FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS. 738 00:22:06,492 --> 00:22:07,725 FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS. BUT THROUGH AGENCY FEES. 739 00:22:07,727 --> 00:22:10,428 BUT THROUGH AGENCY FEES. AND THOSE FEES HAVE PAID FOR 740 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:12,430 AND THOSE FEES HAVE PAID FOR OTHER TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS, 741 00:22:12,432 --> 00:22:13,764 OTHER TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARIZONA IS HOME TO 742 00:22:13,766 --> 00:22:15,800 FOR EXAMPLE, ARIZONA IS HOME TO A HEALTHY POPULATION OF 743 00:22:15,802 --> 00:22:18,602 A HEALTHY POPULATION OF CALIFORNIA CONDORS AND THOUSANDS 744 00:22:18,604 --> 00:22:19,970 CALIFORNIA CONDORS AND THOUSANDS OF BIG HORN SHEEP. 745 00:22:19,972 --> 00:22:22,073 OF BIG HORN SHEEP. HERE AGAIN IS RAUL VEGA FROM 746 00:22:22,075 --> 00:22:25,543 HERE AGAIN IS RAUL VEGA FROM GAME AND FISH. 747 00:22:25,545 --> 00:22:28,546 GAME AND FISH. >> THE POPULATION IS DOING 748 00:22:28,548 --> 00:22:28,979 >> THE POPULATION IS DOING FAIRLY WELL. 749 00:22:28,981 --> 00:22:30,648 FAIRLY WELL. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES. 750 00:22:30,650 --> 00:22:34,318 THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES. AND ALSO NATIVE TO THE AREA. 751 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,854 AND ALSO NATIVE TO THE AREA. YOU KNOW, WE TRIED -- WE DO A 752 00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:40,791 YOU KNOW, WE TRIED -- WE DO A LOT OF CONSERVATION WORK TO KEEP 753 00:22:40,793 --> 00:22:43,260 LOT OF CONSERVATION WORK TO KEEP THE WILDLIFE, NOT ONLY BIG HORN 754 00:22:43,262 --> 00:22:44,428 THE WILDLIFE, NOT ONLY BIG HORN SHEEP, BUT OTHER WILDLIFE IN THE 755 00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:45,296 SHEEP, BUT OTHER WILDLIFE IN THE AREA, ALIVE. 756 00:22:45,298 --> 00:22:48,566 AREA, ALIVE. WE DO PROVIDE WATER SOURCES TO 757 00:22:48,568 --> 00:22:49,033 WE DO PROVIDE WATER SOURCES TO THEM. 758 00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:51,068 THEM. WE BUILD WATER CATCHMENTS. 759 00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:53,738 WE BUILD WATER CATCHMENTS. AND THE POPULATION SEEMS TO BE 760 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:54,672 AND THE POPULATION SEEMS TO BE DOING WELL AS OF NOW. 761 00:22:54,674 --> 00:22:55,406 DOING WELL AS OF NOW. >> ARE MOUNTAIN LIONS A PROBLEM 762 00:22:55,408 --> 00:22:57,241 >> ARE MOUNTAIN LIONS A PROBLEM OUT THERE? 763 00:22:57,243 --> 00:23:00,244 OUT THERE? >> MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE A PROBLEM 764 00:23:00,246 --> 00:23:01,112 >> MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE A PROBLEM THERE AS WELL. 765 00:23:01,114 --> 00:23:03,481 THERE AS WELL. THE POPULATION I THINK HAS 766 00:23:03,483 --> 00:23:04,782 THE POPULATION I THINK HAS GAINED A LOT OF STRENGTH TO BE 767 00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:06,751 GAINED A LOT OF STRENGTH TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE THROUGHOUT THE 768 00:23:06,753 --> 00:23:09,820 ABLE TO SURVIVE THROUGHOUT THE LAST COUPLE OF DECADES. 769 00:23:09,822 --> 00:23:12,356 LAST COUPLE OF DECADES. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COEXIST 770 00:23:12,358 --> 00:23:12,957 AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COEXIST TOGETHER AT THIS POINT. 771 00:23:12,959 --> 00:23:14,692 TOGETHER AT THIS POINT. BUT LIONS ARE THERE AS WELL, 772 00:23:14,694 --> 00:23:14,992 BUT LIONS ARE THERE AS WELL, YES. 773 00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:17,128 YES. >> GAME AND FISH HAS BEEN 774 00:23:17,130 --> 00:23:18,129 >> GAME AND FISH HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN RELOCATION PROJECTS 775 00:23:18,131 --> 00:23:19,764 INVOLVED IN RELOCATION PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR 776 00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:20,097 THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR DECADES. 777 00:23:20,099 --> 00:23:21,198 DECADES. AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 778 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,900 AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. TELL ME ABOUT SOME OF THOSE. 779 00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,835 TELL ME ABOUT SOME OF THOSE. >> WE'VE DONE -- JUST IN THE 780 00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:27,805 >> WE'VE DONE -- JUST IN THE SHEEP, WE'VE DONE OVER 2,000 781 00:23:27,807 --> 00:23:29,306 SHEEP, WE'VE DONE OVER 2,000 TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS UP TO 782 00:23:29,308 --> 00:23:31,242 TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS UP TO THIS POINT. 783 00:23:31,244 --> 00:23:34,412 THIS POINT. WE HAVE 5,500 SHEEP, ESTIMATED 784 00:23:34,414 --> 00:23:35,746 WE HAVE 5,500 SHEEP, ESTIMATED POPULATION OF BIG HORN SHEEP OUT 785 00:23:35,748 --> 00:23:36,046 POPULATION OF BIG HORN SHEEP OUT THERE. 786 00:23:36,048 --> 00:23:37,782 THERE. AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD. 787 00:23:37,784 --> 00:23:40,251 AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD. AND THAT'S A LOT OF IT BECAUSE 788 00:23:40,253 --> 00:23:41,619 AND THAT'S A LOT OF IT BECAUSE OF THE TRANSLOCATIONS THAT WE'VE 789 00:23:41,621 --> 00:23:42,219 OF THE TRANSLOCATIONS THAT WE'VE DONE. 790 00:23:42,221 --> 00:23:42,987 DONE. AND THAT IS IMPORTANT. 791 00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:43,988 AND THAT IS IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 792 00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:47,391 THAT'S WHAT WE DO. IT IS OUR MISSION. 793 00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:49,727 IT IS OUR MISSION. AND I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT 794 00:23:49,729 --> 00:23:51,128 AND I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME 795 00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:53,431 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME SITUATION HERE IN THE CATALINAS 796 00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:54,932 SITUATION HERE IN THE CATALINAS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT. 797 00:23:54,934 --> 00:23:58,202 AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT. >> GAME AND FISH IS HAS ALSO 798 00:23:58,204 --> 00:23:59,069 >> GAME AND FISH IS HAS ALSO RELOCATED TURKEYS. 799 00:23:59,071 --> 00:24:00,037 RELOCATED TURKEYS. >> WE HAVE. 800 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:02,440 >> WE HAVE. THAT'S ANOTHER SPECIES THAT I'M 801 00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:03,808 THAT'S ANOTHER SPECIES THAT I'M PROUD TO TALK ABOUT. 802 00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:06,477 PROUD TO TALK ABOUT. WE STARTED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. 803 00:24:06,479 --> 00:24:12,349 WE STARTED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. WE DID A TRANSLOCATION. 804 00:24:12,351 --> 00:24:13,818 WE DID A TRANSLOCATION. WE CAPTURED TURKEYS IN MEXICO, 805 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:16,020 WE CAPTURED TURKEYS IN MEXICO, BROUGHT THEM HERE. 806 00:24:16,022 --> 00:24:18,289 BROUGHT THEM HERE. NOW WE HAVE A SOURCE POPULATION 807 00:24:18,291 --> 00:24:24,628 NOW WE HAVE A SOURCE POPULATION IN THE WACHUKKAS WE USE TO 808 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:26,030 IN THE WACHUKKAS WE USE TO ENHANCE OTHER POPULATIONS IN THE 809 00:24:26,032 --> 00:24:26,697 ENHANCE OTHER POPULATIONS IN THE REGION. 810 00:24:26,699 --> 00:24:28,065 REGION. RECENTLY WE ALSO TRADED WITH NEW 811 00:24:28,067 --> 00:24:29,133 RECENTLY WE ALSO TRADED WITH NEW MEXICO. 812 00:24:29,135 --> 00:24:32,102 MEXICO. WE TRADED 60 TURKEYS FOR 813 00:24:32,104 --> 00:24:33,437 WE TRADED 60 TURKEYS FOR ANTELOPE, PRONG HISTORIED 814 00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:34,371 ANTELOPE, PRONG HISTORIED ANTELOPE, ANOTHER SPECIES WE'RE 815 00:24:34,373 --> 00:24:36,373 ANTELOPE, ANOTHER SPECIES WE'RE WORKING ON TO ENHANCE THE 816 00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:36,774 WORKING ON TO ENHANCE THE POPULATION. 817 00:24:36,776 --> 00:24:39,944 POPULATION. OUR POPULATION OF PRONG HORN 818 00:24:39,946 --> 00:24:40,744 OUR POPULATION OF PRONG HORN ANTELOPE WAS CONTINUING TO 819 00:24:40,746 --> 00:24:41,712 ANTELOPE WAS CONTINUING TO DECLINE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL 820 00:24:41,714 --> 00:24:45,950 DECLINE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 821 00:24:45,952 --> 00:24:47,551 YEARS. AND NOW THIS YEAR, WE'RE 822 00:24:47,553 --> 00:24:49,353 AND NOW THIS YEAR, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE NUMBERS GO 823 00:24:49,355 --> 00:24:49,920 STARTING TO SEE THE NUMBERS GO UP AGAIN. 824 00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:51,689 UP AGAIN. SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. 825 00:24:51,691 --> 00:24:53,090 SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN. >> AS YOU STRESS, IT TAKES TIME. 826 00:24:53,092 --> 00:24:54,124 >> AS YOU STRESS, IT TAKES TIME. >> IT TAKES TIME. 827 00:24:54,126 --> 00:24:55,292 >> IT TAKES TIME. IT TAKES YEARS. 828 00:24:55,294 --> 00:24:57,294 IT TAKES YEARS. IT TAKES -- IT COULD TAKE THREE 829 00:24:57,296 --> 00:24:59,296 IT TAKES -- IT COULD TAKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO BRING THOSE 830 00:24:59,298 --> 00:24:59,930 OR FOUR YEARS TO BRING THOSE POPULATIONS BACK. 831 00:24:59,932 --> 00:25:01,866 POPULATIONS BACK. AGAIN, I WILL SAY THAT WE DON'T 832 00:25:01,868 --> 00:25:06,070 AGAIN, I WILL SAY THAT WE DON'T FOCUS JUST ON BIG GAME, WE FOCUS 833 00:25:06,072 --> 00:25:10,441 FOCUS JUST ON BIG GAME, WE FOCUS ON NONGAME SPECIES, GILA TROUT, 834 00:25:10,443 --> 00:25:12,543 ON NONGAME SPECIES, GILA TROUT, LEOPARD FROGS, BLACK TAILED 835 00:25:12,545 --> 00:25:17,581 LEOPARD FROGS, BLACK TAILED PRAIRIE DOGS, ALL WILDLIFE 836 00:25:17,583 --> 00:25:17,915 PRAIRIE DOGS, ALL WILDLIFE SPECIES. 837 00:25:17,917 --> 00:25:20,317 SPECIES. BECAUSE WE WANT THEM HERE 20 838 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,419 BECAUSE WE WANT THEM HERE 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 50 YEARS FROM 839 00:25:22,421 --> 00:25:23,220 YEARS FROM NOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW. 840 00:25:23,222 --> 00:25:25,022 NOW. OVERALL ALL WILDLIFE SPECIES 841 00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:27,024 OVERALL ALL WILDLIFE SPECIES NATIVE TO THE STATE, IT'S WORTH 842 00:25:27,026 --> 00:25:28,425 NATIVE TO THE STATE, IT'S WORTH REINTRODUCING THEM BACK TO THE 843 00:25:28,427 --> 00:25:29,860 REINTRODUCING THEM BACK TO THE AREAS THAT THEY MAY BE LACKING. 844 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:30,995 AREAS THAT THEY MAY BE LACKING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO 845 00:25:30,997 --> 00:25:34,098 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE TO WORK AND DO GOOD 846 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:34,932 CONTINUE TO WORK AND DO GOOD WILDLIFE CONSERVATION TO GET 847 00:25:34,934 --> 00:25:36,567 WILDLIFE CONSERVATION TO GET THOSE SPECIES BACK TO NORMAL. 848 00:25:36,569 --> 00:25:37,668 THOSE SPECIES BACK TO NORMAL. SO OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS CAN 849 00:25:37,670 --> 00:25:41,739 SO OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS CAN SEE THOSE IN THE FUTURE. 850 00:25:41,741 --> 00:25:43,040 SEE THOSE IN THE FUTURE. >> ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA IS 851 00:25:43,042 --> 00:25:44,174 >> ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA IS COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING THE 852 00:25:44,176 --> 00:25:45,676 COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE 853 00:25:45,678 --> 00:25:47,411 CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE TRANSLOCATION OF THE BIG HORN 854 00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:47,711 TRANSLOCATION OF THE BIG HORN SHEEP. 855 00:25:47,713 --> 00:25:49,513 SHEEP. YOU CAN STAY UP TO STATE WITH 856 00:25:49,515 --> 00:25:53,651 YOU CAN STAY UP TO STATE WITH THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS ON 857 00:25:53,653 --> 00:25:54,118 THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS ON NEWS.AZPM.ORG. 858 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:55,553 NEWS.AZPM.ORG. >>> OTHER NEWS WITH WHAT'S 859 00:25:55,555 --> 00:25:58,255 >>> OTHER NEWS WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE STATE CAPITOL. 860 00:25:58,257 --> 00:26:00,424 HAPPENING AT THE STATE CAPITOL. HERE WITH US IS POLITICAL 861 00:26:00,426 --> 00:26:01,258 HERE WITH US IS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT CHRISTOPHER 862 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:01,592 CORRESPONDENT CHRISTOPHER CONOVER. 863 00:26:01,594 --> 00:26:03,260 CONOVER. WHAT'S GOING ON? 864 00:26:03,262 --> 00:26:05,162 WHAT'S GOING ON? >> BIG STORY THIS WEEK WAS THE 865 00:26:05,164 --> 00:26:06,063 >> BIG STORY THIS WEEK WAS THE REPEAL OF A BILL. 866 00:26:06,065 --> 00:26:07,598 REPEAL OF A BILL. LAST YEAR THE LEGISLATURE PASSED 867 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,500 LAST YEAR THE LEGISLATURE PASSED THE SWEEPING ELECTION REFORM 868 00:26:09,502 --> 00:26:09,800 THE SWEEPING ELECTION REFORM BILL. 869 00:26:09,802 --> 00:26:13,137 BILL. IT ENDED UP 140,000 PEOPLE SI 870 00:26:13,139 --> 00:26:14,338 IT ENDED UP 140,000 PEOPLE SI SIGNED A PETITION, PUT IT ON THE 871 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:16,273 SIGNED A PETITION, PUT IT ON THE BALLOT TO REPEAL IT THIS 872 00:26:16,275 --> 00:26:16,640 BALLOT TO REPEAL IT THIS NOVEMBER. 873 00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:20,444 NOVEMBER. THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO 874 00:26:20,446 --> 00:26:21,579 THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO REPEAL IT THEMSELVES BEFORE THAT 875 00:26:21,581 --> 00:26:21,912 REPEAL IT THEMSELVES BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. 876 00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:24,214 HAPPENS. AND THE HOUSE PASSED IT THIS 877 00:26:24,216 --> 00:26:24,515 AND THE HOUSE PASSED IT THIS WEEK. 878 00:26:24,517 --> 00:26:26,183 WEEK. THE BIG CONCERN THOUGH IS THAT 879 00:26:26,185 --> 00:26:28,452 THE BIG CONCERN THOUGH IS THAT STATE LAWMAKERS WILL GO AHEAD 880 00:26:28,454 --> 00:26:29,320 STATE LAWMAKERS WILL GO AHEAD AND REPEAL IT. 881 00:26:29,322 --> 00:26:30,621 AND REPEAL IT. THE SENATOR AND GOVERNOR HAVE TO 882 00:26:30,623 --> 00:26:31,155 THE SENATOR AND GOVERNOR HAVE TO CHIME IN. 883 00:26:31,157 --> 00:26:31,922 CHIME IN. THEN TRY AND PUT IT BACK IN 884 00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:34,892 THEN TRY AND PUT IT BACK IN LITTLE PIECES. 885 00:26:34,894 --> 00:26:36,660 LITTLE PIECES. CHAD CAMPBELL, THE HOUSE 886 00:26:36,662 --> 00:26:38,329 CHAD CAMPBELL, THE HOUSE MINORITY LEADER, SAID HIS 887 00:26:38,331 --> 00:26:41,098 MINORITY LEADER, SAID HIS CONCERN IS A FRANKENSTEIN BILL 888 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,567 CONCERN IS A FRANKENSTEIN BILL PLUNDERING THE VILLAGE OF 889 00:26:43,569 --> 00:26:43,934 PLUNDERING THE VILLAGE OF ARIZONA. 890 00:26:43,936 --> 00:26:44,468 ARIZONA. >> PRETTY DRAMATIC. 891 00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:45,936 >> PRETTY DRAMATIC. >> IT WAS, IT WAS. 892 00:26:45,938 --> 00:26:47,338 >> IT WAS, IT WAS. >> HOW SOON MIGHT WE SEE SOME 893 00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:49,640 >> HOW SOON MIGHT WE SEE SOME ACTUALLY START TO TAKE EFFECT 894 00:26:49,642 --> 00:26:50,207 ACTUALLY START TO TAKE EFFECT FOR VOTERS. 895 00:26:50,209 --> 00:26:51,542 FOR VOTERS. >> THE SENATE COULD TAKE IT UP 896 00:26:51,544 --> 00:26:53,978 >> THE SENATE COULD TAKE IT UP NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER. 897 00:26:53,980 --> 00:26:54,979 NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER. THEN IT'S THE GOVERNOR. 898 00:26:54,981 --> 00:26:57,548 THEN IT'S THE GOVERNOR. ALL OF IT'S ON HOLD WHILE THIS 899 00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:58,315 ALL OF IT'S ON HOLD WHILE THIS GETS WORKED OUT. 900 00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:00,317 GETS WORKED OUT. IF IT GETS REPEALED IT WON'T GO 901 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:00,985 IF IT GETS REPEALED IT WON'T GO INTO EFFECT AT ALL. 902 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:01,952 INTO EFFECT AT ALL. THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT 903 00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:04,021 THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BALLOT 904 00:27:04,023 --> 00:27:04,421 HAPPENS TO THE BALLOT INITIATIVE? 905 00:27:04,423 --> 00:27:06,256 INITIATIVE? EVEN THOUGH IT'S THERE. 906 00:27:06,258 --> 00:27:07,191 EVEN THOUGH IT'S THERE. AND THE FACT THAT THE BILL 907 00:27:07,193 --> 00:27:09,159 AND THE FACT THAT THE BILL DOESN'T OR THE LAW DOESN'T EXIST 908 00:27:09,161 --> 00:27:09,760 DOESN'T OR THE LAW DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. 909 00:27:09,762 --> 00:27:11,161 ANYMORE. WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT BALLOT 910 00:27:11,163 --> 00:27:11,562 WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT BALLOT INITIATIVE? 911 00:27:11,564 --> 00:27:13,197 INITIATIVE? >> WHAT ABOUT THIS NEXT WEEK? 912 00:27:13,199 --> 00:27:15,666 >> WHAT ABOUT THIS NEXT WEEK? ANYTHING MAJOR TO LOOK FORWARD 913 00:27:15,668 --> 00:27:16,166 ANYTHING MAJOR TO LOOK FORWARD TO AT THIS POINT? 914 00:27:16,168 --> 00:27:17,501 TO AT THIS POINT? >> THIS NEXT WEEK WE HAVE MORE 915 00:27:17,503 --> 00:27:18,669 >> THIS NEXT WEEK WE HAVE MORE APPROPRIATIONS FOR EDUCATION 916 00:27:18,671 --> 00:27:20,504 APPROPRIATIONS FOR EDUCATION COMING UP IN COMMITTEE. 917 00:27:20,506 --> 00:27:22,906 COMING UP IN COMMITTEE. AND OF COURSE FURTHER VOTES ON 918 00:27:22,908 --> 00:27:24,241 AND OF COURSE FURTHER VOTES ON THIS ELECTION BILL WILL PROBABLY 919 00:27:24,243 --> 00:27:25,476 THIS ELECTION BILL WILL PROBABLY BE THE BIG ISSUES. 920 00:27:25,478 --> 00:27:26,944 BE THE BIG ISSUES. >> A LOT TO COME IN THIS 921 00:27:26,946 --> 00:27:29,513 >> A LOT TO COME IN THIS SESSION, WE EXPECT TO WRAP UP 922 00:27:29,515 --> 00:27:29,847 SESSION, WE EXPECT TO WRAP UP LATER. 923 00:27:29,849 --> 00:27:30,648 LATER. >> SOMETIME PROBABLY APRIL, 924 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:31,115 >> SOMETIME PROBABLY APRIL, EARLY MAY. 925 00:27:31,117 --> 00:27:32,182 EARLY MAY. >> CHRISTOPHER CONOVER, THANK 926 00:27:32,184 --> 00:27:34,184 >> CHRISTOPHER CONOVER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEGISLATIVE 927 00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:34,818 YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEGISLATIVE WRAP THIS WEEK. 928 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:36,253 WRAP THIS WEEK. AND THAT DOES IT FOR THIS 929 00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:37,421 AND THAT DOES IT FOR THIS EDITION OF "ARIZONA WEEK." 930 00:27:37,423 --> 00:27:40,724 EDITION OF "ARIZONA WEEK." FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC 931 00:27:40,726 --> 00:27:42,626 FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA, I'M LORRAINE RIVERA.