>>> BRING IT BACK, A
TRANSLOCATION PROJECT MONTHS IN

TRANSLOCATION PROJECT MONTHS IN
THE MAKING ALREADY IGNITING A

THE MAKING ALREADY IGNITING A
FIRESTORM OF EMOTIONS.

FIRESTORM OF EMOTIONS.
>> THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE

>> THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE
SPECIES THAT THEY WANT, THEY

SPECIES THAT THEY WANT, THEY
WANT TO REMOVE THE SPECIES THAT

WANT TO REMOVE THE SPECIES THAT
INTERFERE WITH THIS POPULATION

INTERFERE WITH THIS POPULATION
THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE.
AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE

AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE
COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND

COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND
KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND

KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND
FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO THE

FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO THE
WILDERNESS.

WILDERNESS.
>> DUST AND LIGHT.

>> DUST AND LIGHT.
THE ARIZONA FISH AND GAME

THE ARIZONA FISH AND GAME
DEPARTMENT STANDING BY ITS PLAN

DEPARTMENT STANDING BY ITS PLAN
AND DEFENDING ITS MISSION.

AND DEFENDING ITS MISSION.
>> WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE

>> WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE
TWO NEW LANDS AS OF TODAY.

TWO NEW LANDS AS OF TODAY.
TWO NEW LAMBS.

TWO NEW LAMBS.
THEY'RE ABOUT A MONTH EACH.

THEY'RE ABOUT A MONTH EACH.
THAT'S TO PROVE THEY MADE IT FOR

THAT'S TO PROVE THEY MADE IT FOR
A MONTH.

A MONTH.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN.
>> FOR THE FIRST TIME THE PUBLIC

>> FOR THE FIRST TIME THE PUBLIC
HEARS FROM THE WILDLIFE EXPERTS

HEARS FROM THE WILDLIFE EXPERTS
BEHIND THE PROJECT.

BEHIND THE PROJECT.
THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK."

>>> BIG HORN SHEEP ARE NATIVE TO
ARIZONA AND DECADES AGO THRIVED

ARIZONA AND DECADES AGO THRIVED
IN THE CATALINA MOUNTAIN RANGE.

IN THE CATALINA MOUNTAIN RANGE.
BUT THE HERD DIED OFF.

BUT THE HERD DIED OFF.
THEN ARIZONA GAME AND FISH

THEN ARIZONA GAME AND FISH
DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO BRING IN

DECIDED IT WAS TIME TO BRING IN
A NEW HERD.

A NEW HERD.
A PROJECT FOUR YEARS IN THE

A PROJECT FOUR YEARS IN THE
MAKING.

MAKING.
HERE NOW IS A MAN BEHIND THAT

HERE NOW IS A MAN BEHIND THAT
PROJECT, RAUL VEGA, REGION FIVE

PROJECT, RAUL VEGA, REGION FIVE
SUPERVISOR FOR ARIZONA GAME AND

SUPERVISOR FOR ARIZONA GAME AND
FISH.

FISH.
>> IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW

>> IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW
CHALLENGES SINCE THE TIME WE

CHALLENGES SINCE THE TIME WE
STARTED.

STARTED.
I THINK, LIKE YOU MENTION,

I THINK, LIKE YOU MENTION,
HAVING A REALLY GOOD SOURCE

HAVING A REALLY GOOD SOURCE
POPULATION WHERE WE CAN GET THE

POPULATION WHERE WE CAN GET THE
SHEEP FROM.

SHEEP FROM.
THE OTHER THING WAS, WAS IT THE

THE OTHER THING WAS, WAS IT THE
RIGHT TIME?

RIGHT TIME?
AND THE OTHER -- THAT WE HAVE A

AND THE OTHER -- THAT WE HAVE A
PROCESS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT

PROCESS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT
THAT PUT US AT THE VERY TOP.

THAT PUT US AT THE VERY TOP.
AND IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS JUST

AND IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS JUST
THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT

THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT
THIS YEAR.

THIS YEAR.
AND THAT IS -- VARIOUS OTHER

AND THAT IS -- VARIOUS OTHER
REASONS, OF COURSE.

REASONS, OF COURSE.
THAT'S INCLUDING SOME OF THE

THAT'S INCLUDING SOME OF THE
MOST RECENT FIRES THAT WE HAD IN

MOST RECENT FIRES THAT WE HAD IN
THE MOUNTAIN RANGE THERE, IN THE

THE MOUNTAIN RANGE THERE, IN THE
CATALINAS, THAT ALLOW US TO DO

CATALINAS, THAT ALLOW US TO DO
THIS.

THIS.
IT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE

IT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE
TIME.

TIME.
>> YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT

>> YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT
CAPTURE OF THE HERD IN THE YUMA

CAPTURE OF THE HERD IN THE YUMA
AREA AND YOU SAW TO IT THEY WERE

AREA AND YOU SAW TO IT THEY WERE
RELOCATED.

RELOCATED.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE LOGISTICALLY

CAN YOU DESCRIBE LOGISTICALLY
WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEING THERE TO

WHAT IT WAS LIKE BEING THERE TO
WATCH IT HAPPEN?

WATCH IT HAPPEN?
>> YES.

>> YES.
IT WAS A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE

IT WAS A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE
FOR ME.

FOR ME.
I THINK THE FACT I WAS ABLE TO

I THINK THE FACT I WAS ABLE TO
SEE THESE ANIMALS ON THE GROUND

SEE THESE ANIMALS ON THE GROUND
AND BE ABLE TO JUST HAVE THAT

AND BE ABLE TO JUST HAVE THAT
CONNECTION, TOUCH THEM, PUT THE

CONNECTION, TOUCH THEM, PUT THE
COLLARS, GPS COLLARS ON THEM,

COLLARS, GPS COLLARS ON THEM,
LOAD THEM UP TO THE TRAILERS TO

LOAD THEM UP TO THE TRAILERS TO
BRING THEM OVER HERE.

BRING THEM OVER HERE.
IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR

IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR
ME.

ME.
AND I THINK THAT GAVE ME A VERY

AND I THINK THAT GAVE ME A VERY
GOOD SENSE THAT THIS IS THE

GOOD SENSE THAT THIS IS THE
RIGHT THING TO DO.

RIGHT THING TO DO.
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, THAT

WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT, THAT
WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT

WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT
THING TO DO.

THING TO DO.
BUT YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR

BUT YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR
EDUCATION, IS IN WILDLIFE

EDUCATION, IS IN WILDLIFE
MANAGEMENT.

MANAGEMENT.
DESCRIBE WHY THIS WAS IMPORTANT

DESCRIBE WHY THIS WAS IMPORTANT
TO YOU.

TO YOU.
>> OUR DEPARTMENT HAS SOME

>> OUR DEPARTMENT HAS SOME
MISSIONS LIKE ANY OTHER

MISSIONS LIKE ANY OTHER
DEPARTMENT.

DEPARTMENT.
OUR MISSION IS TO RESTORE NATIVE

OUR MISSION IS TO RESTORE NATIVE
WILDLIFE POPULATIONS ANYWHERE

WILDLIFE POPULATIONS ANYWHERE
THAT WE CAN.

THAT WE CAN.
MY BACKGROUND AS A WILDLIFE

MY BACKGROUND AS A WILDLIFE
BIOLOGIST AND WILDLIFE

BIOLOGIST AND WILDLIFE
MANAGEMENT IS WHAT I DO.

MANAGEMENT IS WHAT I DO.
IT'S MY PASSION.

IT'S MY PASSION.
I THINK THAT HAVING THIS

I THINK THAT HAVING THIS
OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN ONE OF THE

OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN ONE OF THE
GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME

GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME
AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT.

AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
WITH THIS NEW PROCESS AND

WITH THIS NEW PROCESS AND
EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.
IT'S JUST -- IT'S REALLY AMAZING

IT'S JUST -- IT'S REALLY AMAZING
HOW FAR WE'VE COME ON THIS.

HOW FAR WE'VE COME ON THIS.
>> YOU HAVE LOST SOME SHEEP UP

>> YOU HAVE LOST SOME SHEEP UP
THERE TO MOUNTAIN LIONS.

THERE TO MOUNTAIN LIONS.
WAS THAT A SURPRISE TO YOU?

WAS THAT A SURPRISE TO YOU?
>> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE.

>> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE.
IT IS A SURPRISE ON HOW FAST

IT IS A SURPRISE ON HOW FAST
IT'S HAPPENING.

IT'S HAPPENING.
BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FACT

BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FACT
THAT WE NEED NEW TECHNOLOGY,

THAT WE NEED NEW TECHNOLOGY,
STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY THAT

STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY THAT
IS ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO

IS ALLOWING US TO BE ABLE TO
RESPOND FAIRLY QUICK TO THE

RESPOND FAIRLY QUICK TO THE
MORTALITIES.

MORTALITIES.
AND WE GET SIGNALS FROM THE

AND WE GET SIGNALS FROM THE
SATELLITE IMMEDIATELY, ALMOST.

SATELLITE IMMEDIATELY, ALMOST.
AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE

AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE
FACTORS WHY THIS IS SO DIFFERENT

FACTORS WHY THIS IS SO DIFFERENT
AND WHY WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION

AND WHY WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION
AT HAND, PROVIDE THAT

AT HAND, PROVIDE THAT
INFORMATION AS WE CAN TO THE

INFORMATION AS WE CAN TO THE
PUBLIC.

PUBLIC.
>> THERE'S NO SURPRISE TO YOU

>> THERE'S NO SURPRISE TO YOU
THAT MOUNTAIN LIONS PREY ON

THAT MOUNTAIN LIONS PREY ON
SHEEP.

SHEEP.
BUT PEOPLE ARE UPSET,

BUT PEOPLE ARE UPSET,
PARTICULARLY UPSET, THAT GAME

PARTICULARLY UPSET, THAT GAME
AND FISH HAS THEN GONE OUT TO

AND FISH HAS THEN GONE OUT TO
REMOVE THOSE MOUNTAIN LIONS.

REMOVE THOSE MOUNTAIN LIONS.
WHY HAVE YOU DONE THAT?

WHY HAVE YOU DONE THAT?
>> IT IS PART OF THE PREDATOR

>> IT IS PART OF THE PREDATOR
MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE CREATED

MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WE CREATED
FOR THE COMMUNITY.

FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT HAS

THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT HAS
BEEN VERY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS

BEEN VERY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS
PROJECT.

PROJECT.
WE HAVE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE,

WE HAVE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE,
PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE THAT CAME

PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE THAT CAME
FROM OTHER GROUPS, OUR

FROM OTHER GROUPS, OUR
STAKEHOLDERS, THAT ALL TOGETHER

STAKEHOLDERS, THAT ALL TOGETHER
WE PUT THIS MANAGEMENT PLAN IN.

WE PUT THIS MANAGEMENT PLAN IN.
AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BEST

AND IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BEST
MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT I'VE SEEN

MANAGEMENT PLANS THAT I'VE SEEN
IN MY CAREER.

IN MY CAREER.
AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY

AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY
CONSERVATIVE AS TO HOW WE WERE

CONSERVATIVE AS TO HOW WE WERE
GOING TO DO THIS.

GOING TO DO THIS.
BUT WE CAUTIOUSLY PLANNED THIS

BUT WE CAUTIOUSLY PLANNED THIS
SO WE'RE NOT TAKING TOO MANY

SO WE'RE NOT TAKING TOO MANY
LIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

LIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A VIABLE

OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A VIABLE
POPULATION OF SHEEP THAT CAN

POPULATION OF SHEEP THAT CAN
COEXIST WITH MOUNTAIN LIONS IN

COEXIST WITH MOUNTAIN LIONS IN
THE FUTURE.

THE FUTURE.
>> WILL THERE COME A POINT WHERE

>> WILL THERE COME A POINT WHERE
THE MOUNTAIN LIONS CONTINUE TO

THE MOUNTAIN LIONS CONTINUE TO
PREY ON THE SHEEP BUT YOU DECIDE

PREY ON THE SHEEP BUT YOU DECIDE
NOT TO REMOVE THE MOUNTAIN

NOT TO REMOVE THE MOUNTAIN
LIONS.

LIONS.
>> THERE WILL BE A POINT WHEN WE

>> THERE WILL BE A POINT WHEN WE
ESTABLISH THE VIABLE POPULATION

ESTABLISH THE VIABLE POPULATION
OF SHEEP UP THERE THAT THAT

OF SHEEP UP THERE THAT THAT
WON'T BE -- THAT WOULD NOT BE

WON'T BE -- THAT WOULD NOT BE
NECESSARY.

NECESSARY.
I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE VERY

I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE VERY
OPTIMISTIC AND THAT'S GOING TO

OPTIMISTIC AND THAT'S GOING TO
HOPEFULLY BE THE CASE.

HOPEFULLY BE THE CASE.
>> BUT MOUNTAIN LIONS AND SHEEP,

>> BUT MOUNTAIN LIONS AND SHEEP,
THEY CAN LIVE TOGETHER ON THIS

THEY CAN LIVE TOGETHER ON THIS
MOUNTAIN RANGE?

MOUNTAIN RANGE?
>> THEY CAN COEXIST TOGETHER.

>> THEY CAN COEXIST TOGETHER.
THEY'VE DONE IT FOR MILLIONS OF

THEY'VE DONE IT FOR MILLIONS OF
YEARS BEFORE.

YEARS BEFORE.
AND IT'S A NEW PROCESS, NEW

AND IT'S A NEW PROCESS, NEW
TECHNOLOGY.

TECHNOLOGY.
AND WE'RE ALL LEARNING.

AND WE'RE ALL LEARNING.
THE STORY THAT WE HAVE AT THIS

THE STORY THAT WE HAVE AT THIS
POINT IS NOT BEING TOLD BY

POINT IS NOT BEING TOLD BY
MORTALITY.

MORTALITY.
IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.

IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.
THERE'S A BIGGER STORY.

THERE'S A BIGGER STORY.
AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD WAIT AND

AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD WAIT AND
SEE.

SEE.
WE'VE GOT A BIGGER STORY LATER.

WE'VE GOT A BIGGER STORY LATER.
>> AND THERE IS SOME PROOF OF

>> AND THERE IS SOME PROOF OF
SUCCESS.

SUCCESS.
TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
>> YES, THAT MAKES ME VERY

>> YES, THAT MAKES ME VERY
HAPPY.

HAPPY.
WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE TWO

WE HAVE LEARNED THAT WE HAVE TWO
NEW LAMBS AS OF TODAY.

NEW LAMBS AS OF TODAY.
AND THEY'RE ABOUT 1 MONTH OLD

AND THEY'RE ABOUT 1 MONTH OLD
EACH.

EACH.
AND THAT'S JUST TO PROVE THAT

AND THAT'S JUST TO PROVE THAT
THEY MADE IT FOR A MONTH NOW.

THEY MADE IT FOR A MONTH NOW.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN.
WE'RE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT

WE'RE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT
THIS IS GOING TO WORK.

THIS IS GOING TO WORK.
AND THERE IS THE PROOF THERE.

AND THERE IS THE PROOF THERE.
>> WHAT HAPPENS IF WE LOSE ALL

>> WHAT HAPPENS IF WE LOSE ALL
OF THE BIG HORN SHEEP UP THERE?

OF THE BIG HORN SHEEP UP THERE?
WILL THAT HAPPEN, IS THAT

WILL THAT HAPPEN, IS THAT
POSSIBLE?

POSSIBLE?
>> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

>> THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO

AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO
RECONVENE WITH OUR COMMITTEE

RECONVENE WITH OUR COMMITTEE
MEMBERS AND MAKE A DECISION AT

MEMBERS AND MAKE A DECISION AT
THAT POINT.

THAT POINT.
BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.

BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE

>> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE
NAYSAYERS OUT THERE, THE PEOPLE

NAYSAYERS OUT THERE, THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE ANGRY AND FRUSTRATED

WHO ARE ANGRY AND FRUSTRATED
WITH GAME AND FISH ABOUT THIS

WITH GAME AND FISH ABOUT THIS
PROJECT?

PROJECT?
>> I WOULD SAY TO -- LIKE I

>> I WOULD SAY TO -- LIKE I
MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STORY IS

MENTIONED EARLIER, THE STORY IS
NOT OVER YET.

NOT OVER YET.
TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY.

TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY.
THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS

THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
WE HAVE DONE OVER 2,000

WE HAVE DONE OVER 2,000
TRANSLOCATIONS OF WILDLIFE

TRANSLOCATIONS OF WILDLIFE
SPECIES.

SPECIES.
>> YOU'VE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE

>> YOU'VE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE
MEDIA BEFORE ON THIS BUT YOU

MEDIA BEFORE ON THIS BUT YOU
SAID THIS IS THE TIME.

SAID THIS IS THE TIME.
WHY IS IT THE TIME NOW?

WHY IS IT THE TIME NOW?
>> THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING

>> THIS IS THE TIME TO BRING
SOME GOOD POINTS, YOU KNOW.

SOME GOOD POINTS, YOU KNOW.
WHY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED.

WHY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED.
AND I THINK THE LACK OF

AND I THINK THE LACK OF
INFORMATION PROVIDED -- WE HAVE

INFORMATION PROVIDED -- WE HAVE
THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS PRIOR TO

THREE PUBLIC MEETINGS PRIOR TO
THE RELEASE.

THE RELEASE.
AND WE HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE COME

AND WE HAD VERY FEW PEOPLE COME
TO THOSE MEETINGS.

TO THOSE MEETINGS.
WE HAD UP TO SIX ARTICLES IN

WE HAD UP TO SIX ARTICLES IN
"THE DAILY STAR" PRIOR TO THE

"THE DAILY STAR" PRIOR TO THE
RELEASE.

RELEASE.
AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME.

AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO TELL US WHAT

WE WANT PEOPLE TO TELL US WHAT
THEY THINK.

THEY THINK.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
WILDLIFE BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC

WILDLIFE BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC
AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM.

AND WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM.
WE PROVIDED THAT PRIOR TO THE

WE PROVIDED THAT PRIOR TO THE
RELEASE.

RELEASE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET

UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET
THOSE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME.

THOSE COMMENTS AT THAT TIME.
BUT WE CONTINUE TO ASK THE

BUT WE CONTINUE TO ASK THE
PUBLIC, GO AHEAD AND LET US KNOW

PUBLIC, GO AHEAD AND LET US KNOW
WHAT YOU THINK.

WHAT YOU THINK.
IT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S IMPORTANT.
>> IT'S UNKNOWN EXACTLY HOW MANY

>> IT'S UNKNOWN EXACTLY HOW MANY
MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE IN THE

MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE IN THE
CATALINAS.

CATALINAS.
BUT LAST YEAR, GAME AND FISH

BUT LAST YEAR, GAME AND FISH
RECEIVED 100 CALLS OF REPORTED

RECEIVED 100 CALLS OF REPORTED
SIGHTINGS IN THAT MOUNTAIN

SIGHTINGS IN THAT MOUNTAIN
RANGE.

RANGE.
GAME AND FISH IS NOT ALONE ON

GAME AND FISH IS NOT ALONE ON
THIS PROJECT.

THIS PROJECT.
THE AGENCY IS WORKING WITH A

THE AGENCY IS WORKING WITH A
GROUP OF CITIZENS WITH A WIDE

GROUP OF CITIZENS WITH A WIDE
RANGE OF EXPERIENCE AND

RANGE OF EXPERIENCE AND
EXPERTISE.

EXPERTISE.
JOE SHEEHEY, MEMBER OF THE

JOE SHEEHEY, MEMBER OF THE
CATALINA BIG HORN ADVISORY

CATALINA BIG HORN ADVISORY
COMMITTEE, DESCRIBE THIS

COMMITTEE, DESCRIBE THIS
COMMITTEE, WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES

COMMITTEE, WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES
DURING THIS PROCESS.

DURING THIS PROCESS.
>> WELL, THIS COMMITTEE IS MADE

>> WELL, THIS COMMITTEE IS MADE
UP OF MEMBERS FROM THE

UP OF MEMBERS FROM THE
SPORTSMEN'S GROUP AROUND TUCSON

SPORTSMEN'S GROUP AROUND TUCSON
AND OF SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL

AND OF SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL
GROUPS AROUND TUCSON.

GROUPS AROUND TUCSON.
AND WE CAME TOGETHER TO PUT

AND WE CAME TOGETHER TO PUT
TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THIS

TOGETHER A PLAN FOR THIS
RELOCATION.

RELOCATION.
WITH MANY, MANY FACETS AND

WITH MANY, MANY FACETS AND
ASPECTS TO IT.

ASPECTS TO IT.
CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST

CERTAINLY ONE OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT WAS THE PREDATOR

IMPORTANT WAS THE PREDATOR
MANAGEMENT PLAN AND HOW WE WOULD

MANAGEMENT PLAN AND HOW WE WOULD
GOING TO DEAL WITH POTENTIAL

GOING TO DEAL WITH POTENTIAL
BRE

BRE
PREDATION ISSUES, AS WELL AS

PREDATION ISSUES, AS WELL AS
MANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE

MANY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE
RELOCATION PROJECT ITSELF.

RELOCATION PROJECT ITSELF.
>> YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR

>> YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR
EDUCATION, IS IN BIOLOGY.

EDUCATION, IS IN BIOLOGY.
SO YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT

SO YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
THE BIG HORN SHEEP AND HOW HE

THE BIG HORN SHEEP AND HOW HE
WOULD FUNCTION IN THE MOUNTAINS.

WOULD FUNCTION IN THE MOUNTAINS.
>> A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.

>> A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
AND PLUS IN '70s AND '80S I

AND PLUS IN '70s AND '80S I
SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE

SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE
INDIGENOUS POPULATION THAT WAS

INDIGENOUS POPULATION THAT WAS
THERE IN THE CATALINAS BACK

THERE IN THE CATALINAS BACK
THEN.

THEN.
>> DESCRIBE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE

>> DESCRIBE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE
BACK THEN.

BACK THEN.
HOW BIG WAS THE HERD?

HOW BIG WAS THE HERD?
>> I DON'T THINK THE HERD WAS

>> I DON'T THINK THE HERD WAS
ANY LARGER, AT LEAST IN MY

ANY LARGER, AT LEAST IN MY
EXPERIENCE, THAN 100 ANIMALS.

EXPERIENCE, THAN 100 ANIMALS.
BUT IT SEEMED TO BE A VERY

BUT IT SEEMED TO BE A VERY
HEALTHY, SELF-SUSTAINING

HEALTHY, SELF-SUSTAINING
POPULATION.

POPULATION.
THE SHEEP WERE A VERY

THE SHEEP WERE A VERY
UNIQUE-LOOKING DESERT BIG HORN.

UNIQUE-LOOKING DESERT BIG HORN.
THEY HAD LOTS OF HAIR.

THEY HAD LOTS OF HAIR.
VERY HEAVY SHEEP.

VERY HEAVY SHEEP.
AND I THINK THAT HAD TO DO WITH

AND I THINK THAT HAD TO DO WITH
THE LUSH VEGETATION THAT THEY

THE LUSH VEGETATION THAT THEY
HAD TO FORAGE ON COMPARED TO

HAD TO FORAGE ON COMPARED TO
SHEEP IN OTHER MOUNTAIN RANGES.

SHEEP IN OTHER MOUNTAIN RANGES.
>> FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE UP

>> FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE UP
TO SPEED ON THIS STORY, WOULD

TO SPEED ON THIS STORY, WOULD
YOU DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO

YOU DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED TO
THAT HERD BACK THEN?

THAT HERD BACK THEN?
>> WELL, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW

>> WELL, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED.

WHAT HAPPENED.
THERE'S BEEN FOUR OR FIVE

THERE'S BEEN FOUR OR FIVE
DIFFERENT REASONS GIVEN.

DIFFERENT REASONS GIVEN.
AND IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION

AND IT'S PROBABLY A COMBINATION
OF THOSE.

OF THOSE.
BUT ANYTHING FROM DISEASE TO

BUT ANYTHING FROM DISEASE TO
PREDATION TO POPULATION

PREDATION TO POPULATION
PRESSURE.

PRESSURE.
THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN AS

THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN GIVEN AS
EXAMPLES OF WHY THOSE SHEEP

EXAMPLES OF WHY THOSE SHEEP
DECLINED.

DECLINED.
>> WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHY YOU

>> WOULD YOU DESCRIBE WHY YOU
SUPPORTED THE MOVEMENT, THE

SUPPORTED THE MOVEMENT, THE
RELOCATION OF THE HERD FROM YUMA

RELOCATION OF THE HERD FROM YUMA
TO THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE?

TO THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE?
>> WELL, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE,

>> WELL, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE,
IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO ME GIVEN

IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO ME GIVEN
THE FACT THAT I SPENT A LOT OF

THE FACT THAT I SPENT A LOT OF
TIME WITH THE SHEEP HERD THAT

TIME WITH THE SHEEP HERD THAT
WAS IN THERE.

WAS IN THERE.
AND TO ME, THIS MOUNTAIN JUST

AND TO ME, THIS MOUNTAIN JUST
NEEDS -- BIG HORN SHEEP SHOULD

NEEDS -- BIG HORN SHEEP SHOULD
BE IN THIS MOUNTAIN.

BE IN THIS MOUNTAIN.
THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE

THEY WERE THERE, THEY WERE
ALWAYS THERE, AND I THINK

ALWAYS THERE, AND I THINK
THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE

THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE
COMMUNITY OF TUCSON TO HAVE BIG

COMMUNITY OF TUCSON TO HAVE BIG
HORN SHEEP IN THAT MOUNTAIN

HORN SHEEP IN THAT MOUNTAIN
RANGE.

RANGE.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
PREDATION FACTOR.

PREDATION FACTOR.
IT HAS UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO

IT HAS UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA

THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA
INITIALLY.

INITIALLY.
THIS IS PERHAPS SOMETHING THEY

THIS IS PERHAPS SOMETHING THEY
DIDN'T THINK WOULD HAPPEN OR

DIDN'T THINK WOULD HAPPEN OR
THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT IT

THEY WERE SURPRISED THAT IT
HAPPENED SO QUICKLY.

HAPPENED SO QUICKLY.
DESCRIBE THE BIOLOGY OF THINGS

DESCRIBE THE BIOLOGY OF THINGS
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON
THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE.

THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE.
>> WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS GOING

>> WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS GOING
ON.

ON.
WE HAVE A LOT OF MOUNTAIN LIONS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF MOUNTAIN LIONS.
MANY MORE MOUNTAIN LIONS THAN

MANY MORE MOUNTAIN LIONS THAN
SHEEP, THAT'S BECOME OBVIOUS.

SHEEP, THAT'S BECOME OBVIOUS.
THE SHEEP HAVE DONE WHAT SHEEP

THE SHEEP HAVE DONE WHAT SHEEP
DO IN A TYPICAL RELOCATION.

DO IN A TYPICAL RELOCATION.
AND THAT'S DISPERSE.

AND THAT'S DISPERSE.
IN THIS CASE, SOME OF THE

IN THIS CASE, SOME OF THE
COUNTRY THAT THEY DISPERSE TO

COUNTRY THAT THEY DISPERSE TO
INITIALLY WAS NOT VERY GOOD

INITIALLY WAS NOT VERY GOOD
SHEEP COUNTRY.

SHEEP COUNTRY.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE VERY GOOD

THEY DIDN'T HAVE VERY GOOD
ESCAPE TERRAIN.

ESCAPE TERRAIN.
AND I THINK THEY BECAME FAIRLY

AND I THINK THEY BECAME FAIRLY
EASY PREY TO MOUNTAIN LIONS.

EASY PREY TO MOUNTAIN LIONS.
GRADUALLY, THE SHEEP ARE COMING

GRADUALLY, THE SHEEP ARE COMING
INTO MORE WHAT WE WOULD CALL

INTO MORE WHAT WE WOULD CALL
TRADITIONAL SHEEP COUNTRY.

TRADITIONAL SHEEP COUNTRY.
AND HOPEFULLY THIS PREDATION

AND HOPEFULLY THIS PREDATION
WILL LEVEL OFF NOW.

WILL LEVEL OFF NOW.
>> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE TO

>> THAT WAS NOT A SURPRISE TO
YOU?

YOU?
>> NO, IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE.

>> NO, IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE.
IT IS DISAPPOINTING, THE RATE OF

IT IS DISAPPOINTING, THE RATE OF
PREDATION.

PREDATION.
LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THIS --

LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THIS --
SOME OF THESE INCIDENTS HAVE

SOME OF THESE INCIDENTS HAVE
HAPPENED WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR

HAPPENED WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR
LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SHEEP

LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SHEEP
SHOULDN'T BE.

SHOULDN'T BE.
AND HOPEFULLY AS THESE SHEEP

AND HOPEFULLY AS THESE SHEEP
MOVE INTO MORE TRADITIONAL BIG

MOVE INTO MORE TRADITIONAL BIG
HORN SHEEP TERRAIN, WE'LL HAVE A

HORN SHEEP TERRAIN, WE'LL HAVE A
LOT LESS INCIDENTS OF MOUNTAIN

LOT LESS INCIDENTS OF MOUNTAIN
LION PREDATION.

LION PREDATION.
>> OPPONENTS OF THE PLAN SAY

>> OPPONENTS OF THE PLAN SAY
THAT THE SHEEP DON'T HAVE THE

THAT THE SHEEP DON'T HAVE THE
GEOGRAPHY THEY NEED TO SURVIVE.

GEOGRAPHY THEY NEED TO SURVIVE.
DO THEY OUT IN THAT RANGE?

DO THEY OUT IN THAT RANGE?
>> THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF

>> THAT'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
COUNTRY FOR SHEEP.

COUNTRY FOR SHEEP.
YOU KNOW, PLUS NOW WE'VE HAD TWO

YOU KNOW, PLUS NOW WE'VE HAD TWO
MAJOR FIRES UP THERE THAT HAVE

MAJOR FIRES UP THERE THAT HAVE
REALLY OPENED UP A LOT MORE

REALLY OPENED UP A LOT MORE
HABITAT THAN THE SHEEP HAD

HABITAT THAN THE SHEEP HAD
ORIGINALLY.

ORIGINALLY.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS A LONG

SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS A LONG
WAY FROM THE TRUTH.

WAY FROM THE TRUTH.
I MEAN, THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE

I MEAN, THAT MOUNTAIN RANGE
COULD PROBABLY HANDLE A WHOLE

COULD PROBABLY HANDLE A WHOLE
LOT OF SHEEP.

LOT OF SHEEP.
>> WE'VE ONLY GONE THREE OR SO

>> WE'VE ONLY GONE THREE OR SO
MONTHS INTO THIS PROJECT.

MONTHS INTO THIS PROJECT.
HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN IT HAS

HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN IT HAS
BEEN SUCCESSFUL?

BEEN SUCCESSFUL?
IS THERE A TIMELINE?

IS THERE A TIMELINE?
>> WELL, THERE IS NOT A

>> WELL, THERE IS NOT A
TIMELINE.

TIMELINE.
A LOT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT

A LOT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT
HAPPENS NEXT?

HAPPENS NEXT?
WE'VE LOST TEN.

WE'VE LOST TEN.
TEN SHEEP.

TEN SHEEP.
WE'RE CERTAINLY FAR FROM

WE'RE CERTAINLY FAR FROM
THROWING IN THE TOWEL.

THROWING IN THE TOWEL.
I THINK THIS PROJECT CAN BE

I THINK THIS PROJECT CAN BE
SUCCESSFUL.

SUCCESSFUL.
ULTIMATELY, IT WILL BE

ULTIMATELY, IT WILL BE
SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE HAVE A

SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE HAVE A
SELF-SUSTAINING POPULATION UP

SELF-SUSTAINING POPULATION UP
THERE THAT LIVES IN HARMONY WITH

THERE THAT LIVES IN HARMONY WITH
ALL THE FACTORS THAT LIMIT BIG

ALL THE FACTORS THAT LIMIT BIG
HORN SHEEP.

HORN SHEEP.
PREDATION, DISEASE, AND

PREDATION, DISEASE, AND
EVERYTHING ELSE.

EVERYTHING ELSE.
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL ON THE

>> THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL ON THE
FENCE ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT

FENCE ABOUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT
THIS ISSUE.

THIS ISSUE.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM?

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THEM?
>> I WOULD SAY, GIVE THIS A

>> I WOULD SAY, GIVE THIS A
CHANCE.

CHANCE.
CERTAINLY ANYONE WHO HAD THE

CERTAINLY ANYONE WHO HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TO

OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TO
LOOK UP THERE AND SEE A BIG HORN

LOOK UP THERE AND SEE A BIG HORN
SHEEP STANDING ON A ROCK, IF

SHEEP STANDING ON A ROCK, IF
THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND

THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE YOUR MIND
ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND

ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS AND
HOW MEANINGFUL THIS PROJECT IS,

HOW MEANINGFUL THIS PROJECT IS,
THEN NOTHING WOULD.

THEN NOTHING WOULD.
>> GAME AND FISH BROUGHT A TOTAL

>> GAME AND FISH BROUGHT A TOTAL
OF 31 SHEEP TO THE MOUNTAIN

OF 31 SHEEP TO THE MOUNTAIN
RANGE.

RANGE.
THE PROJECT STARTED IN NOVEMBER.

THE PROJECT STARTED IN NOVEMBER.
HERE WE ARE IN FEBRUARY.

HERE WE ARE IN FEBRUARY.
AND ONE-THIRD OF THE HERD HAS

AND ONE-THIRD OF THE HERD HAS
DIED.

DIED.
GAME AND FISH ALSO KILLED TWO

GAME AND FISH ALSO KILLED TWO
MOUNTAIN LIONS THAT PREYED ON

MOUNTAIN LIONS THAT PREYED ON
THE SHEEP.

THE SHEEP.
AND JUST THIS WEEK, NEWS OF TWO

AND JUST THIS WEEK, NEWS OF TWO
LAMB BIRTHS.

LAMB BIRTHS.
VANESSA BARCHFIELD HAS MORE ON

VANESSA BARCHFIELD HAS MORE ON
THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE

THE CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE
TRANSLOCATION.

TRANSLOCATION.
>> JUST AS THE REINTRODUCTION OF

>> JUST AS THE REINTRODUCTION OF
BIG HORN SHEEP UNITED A STRANGE

BIG HORN SHEEP UNITED A STRANGE
GROUP OF SUPPORTERS, A WIDE

GROUP OF SUPPORTERS, A WIDE
CROSS SECTION OF TUCSONENS HAVE

CROSS SECTION OF TUCSONENS HAVE
VOICED OPPOSITION.

VOICED OPPOSITION.
INCLUDING HIKERS,

INCLUDING HIKERS,
ENVIRONMENTALISTS, AND OTHER

ENVIRONMENTALISTS, AND OTHER
CONCERNED RESIDENTS FROM ACROSS

CONCERNED RESIDENTS FROM ACROSS
THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.

THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM.
WHILE THE PROJECT STIRRED

WHILE THE PROJECT STIRRED
CONTROVERSY FROM THE BEGINNING,

CONTROVERSY FROM THE BEGINNING,
TEMPERS FLARED WITH THE

TEMPERS FLARED WITH THE
ANNOUNCEMENT THE DEPARTMENT OF

ANNOUNCEMENT THE DEPARTMENT OF
GAME AND FISH HAD KILLED TWO

GAME AND FISH HAD KILLED TWO
MOUNTAIN LIONS FOR PREYING ON

MOUNTAIN LIONS FOR PREYING ON
BIG HORN SHEEP TWO WEEKS AFTER

BIG HORN SHEEP TWO WEEKS AFTER
THEIR RELEASE.

THEIR RELEASE.
TUCSON RESIDENTS SAY IT WAS THE

TUCSON RESIDENTS SAY IT WAS THE
MOUNTAIN LION'S KILLING THAT

MOUNTAIN LION'S KILLING THAT
PROMPTED HIM AND SEVERAL OTHER

PROMPTED HIM AND SEVERAL OTHER
CONCERNED RESIDENTS TO FORM

CONCERNED RESIDENTS TO FORM
FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS, A GROUP

FRIENDS OF WILD ANIMALS, A GROUP
DEDICATED TO STOPPING THE

DEDICATED TO STOPPING THE
INTRODUCTION OF BIG HORN TO THE

INTRODUCTION OF BIG HORN TO THE
CATALINAS.

CATALINAS.
>> GAME AND FISH WAS NOT

>> GAME AND FISH WAS NOT
FORTHCOMING WITH INFORMATION.

FORTHCOMING WITH INFORMATION.
IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE

IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE
FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH THE

FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS WITH THE
PROGRAM.

PROGRAM.
AND THE MORE I LEARNED, THE MORE

AND THE MORE I LEARNED, THE MORE
DISTURBING THE PICTURE HAS

DISTURBING THE PICTURE HAS
BECOME.

BECOME.
>> HE WORKS WITH ABOUT 14 OTHER

>> HE WORKS WITH ABOUT 14 OTHER
PEOPLE IN FRIENDS OF WILD

PEOPLE IN FRIENDS OF WILD
ANIMALS AND THE GROUP HAS 233

ANIMALS AND THE GROUP HAS 233
"LIKES" ON ITS FACEBOOK PAGE.

"LIKES" ON ITS FACEBOOK PAGE.
>> WE FEEL LIKE GAME AND FISH IS

>> WE FEEL LIKE GAME AND FISH IS
TREATING THE CATALINAS LIKE A

TREATING THE CATALINAS LIKE A
STOCK POND.

STOCK POND.
THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE SPECIES

THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE SPECIES
THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO REMOVE

THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO REMOVE
THE SPECIES THAT INTERFERED WITH

THE SPECIES THAT INTERFERED WITH
THE POPULATION THEY'RE TRYING TO

THE POPULATION THEY'RE TRYING TO
PRODUCE.

PRODUCE.
AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE

AND TO THAT GOAL THEY ARE
COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND

COLLARING THE SHEEP FOR LIFE AND
KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND

KILLING MOUNTAIN LIONS AND
FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO

FLYING HELICOPTERS INTO
WILDERNESS.

WILDERNESS.
AND THAT IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT

AND THAT IS NOT -- THIS IS NOT
THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT WE

THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT WE
WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
WE THINK THAT WILD ANIMALS

WE THINK THAT WILD ANIMALS
SHOULD BE WILD.

SHOULD BE WILD.
AND NEITHER THE BIG HORNS OR

AND NEITHER THE BIG HORNS OR
MOUNTAINS LIONS ARE BEING GIVEN

MOUNTAINS LIONS ARE BEING GIVEN
THAT RESPECT.

THAT RESPECT.
>> NOT EVERYONE AGREES.

>> NOT EVERYONE AGREES.
HIKER JIM FEMELIS SUPPORTS THE

HIKER JIM FEMELIS SUPPORTS THE
REINTRODUCTION OF THE SHEEP,

REINTRODUCTION OF THE SHEEP,
PRIMARILY BECAUSE HE'D LIKE TO

PRIMARILY BECAUSE HE'D LIKE TO
COME ACROSS THEM DURING HIS

COME ACROSS THEM DURING HIS
REGULAR TRAIL HIKES.

REGULAR TRAIL HIKES.
HE SAYS HE TRUSTS THAT GAME AND

HE SAYS HE TRUSTS THAT GAME AND
FISH KNOWS HOW TO RUN THESE

FISH KNOWS HOW TO RUN THESE
SORTS OF REINTRODUCTIONS.

SORTS OF REINTRODUCTIONS.
>> THE STATE MUST KNOW

>> THE STATE MUST KNOW
SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE WERE DOWN

SOMETHING, BECAUSE WE WERE DOWN
TO LIKE 1,500 IN THE STATE AT

TO LIKE 1,500 IN THE STATE AT
ONE POINT.

ONE POINT.
THEY'RE UP TO 5,000 NOW.

THEY'RE UP TO 5,000 NOW.
SO IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, THE

SO IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD, THE
ODDS ARE BAD SO FAR SINCE

ODDS ARE BAD SO FAR SINCE
NOVEMBER, BUT IF THEY'VE GOTTEN

NOVEMBER, BUT IF THEY'VE GOTTEN
TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE THE

TRIPLE OR QUADRUPLE THE
POPULATION, THEY MUST BE DOING

POPULATION, THEY MUST BE DOING
SOMETHING.

SOMETHING.
AND YOU'VE GOT TO AT LEAST GIVE

AND YOU'VE GOT TO AT LEAST GIVE
THEM IF THE OF-YEAR PLAN OR THE

THEM IF THE OF-YEAR PLAN OR THE
THREE-YEAR PLAN.

THREE-YEAR PLAN.
IT'S NOT COSTING TAXPAYER

IT'S NOT COSTING TAXPAYER
DOLLARS.

DOLLARS.
SO WHY NOT?

SO WHY NOT?
>> OPPONENT BEN SAYS GAME AND

>> OPPONENT BEN SAYS GAME AND
FISH HAS NOT ADEQUATELY

FISH HAS NOT ADEQUATELY
EXPLAINED THE LOGIC BEHIND THE

EXPLAINED THE LOGIC BEHIND THE
REINTRODUCTION.

REINTRODUCTION.
>> THEY'VE SIMPLY SAID THAT THEY

>> THEY'VE SIMPLY SAID THAT THEY
WANT TO REINTRODUCE THE HERD BUT

WANT TO REINTRODUCE THE HERD BUT
HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY THAT'S

HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY THAT'S
IMPORTANT.

IMPORTANT.
THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WHETHER

THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WHETHER
THERE'S A HUNTING MOTIVATION

THERE'S A HUNTING MOTIVATION
BEHIND THAT.

BEHIND THAT.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO SUCH

AND THEY'RE GOING TO SUCH
EXTREME MEASURES FOR THIS

EXTREME MEASURES FOR THIS
PROGRAM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY.

PROGRAM, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY.
>> MANY OF THE PROGRAM'S

>> MANY OF THE PROGRAM'S
CRITICS, INCLUDING FRIENDS OF

CRITICS, INCLUDING FRIENDS OF
WILD ANIMALS, SUSPECT HUNTING TO

WILD ANIMALS, SUSPECT HUNTING TO
BE AT THE CORE OF THE

BE AT THE CORE OF THE
REINTRODUCTION.

REINTRODUCTION.
>> GAME AND FISH HAS A LONG

>> GAME AND FISH HAS A LONG
HISTORY OF VIEWING HUNTERS AND

HISTORY OF VIEWING HUNTERS AND
RANCHERS AS THEIR CONSTITUENCY.

RANCHERS AS THEIR CONSTITUENCY.
AND IT'S INTRINSIC IN THE

AND IT'S INTRINSIC IN THE
CULTURE OF THE AGENCY.

CULTURE OF THE AGENCY.
SO BIG HORN SHEEP ARE A VERY

SO BIG HORN SHEEP ARE A VERY
POPULAR AND LUCRATIVE GAME

POPULAR AND LUCRATIVE GAME
SPECIES.

SPECIES.
AND MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE VIEWED AS

AND MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE VIEWED AS
PESTS BY BOTH HUNTERS AND

PESTS BY BOTH HUNTERS AND
RANCHERS.

RANCHERS.
AND WE SEE THAT ATTITUDE ACROSS

AND WE SEE THAT ATTITUDE ACROSS
THE BOARD IN GAME AND FISH

THE BOARD IN GAME AND FISH
POLICIES.

POLICIES.
>> SINCE MID-DECEMBER, FRIENDS

>> SINCE MID-DECEMBER, FRIENDS
OF WILD ANIMALS HAS ORGANIZED

OF WILD ANIMALS HAS ORGANIZED
SEVERAL PROTESTS AT GAME AND

SEVERAL PROTESTS AT GAME AND
FISH OFFICES, FILED A PUBLIC

FISH OFFICES, FILED A PUBLIC
INFORMATION REQUEST ON THE

INFORMATION REQUEST ON THE
PROGRAM, AND IS CURRENTLY

PROGRAM, AND IS CURRENTLY
PLANNING A PROTEST AT THE FOREST

PLANNING A PROTEST AT THE FOREST
SERVICE OFFICE.

SERVICE OFFICE.
>> WE FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO

>> WE FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO
BE SOME THRESHOLD AT WHICH THEY

BE SOME THRESHOLD AT WHICH THEY
SAY, TOOL MOUNTAIN LIONS HAVE

SAY, TOOL MOUNTAIN LIONS HAVE
DIED, TOO MANY SHEEP HAVE DIED

DIED, TOO MANY SHEEP HAVE DIED
TOO FAST, AND WE'RE GOING TO

TOO FAST, AND WE'RE GOING TO
PULL THE PLUG.

PULL THE PLUG.
>> AS IT SEEMS THE STATE DOESN'T

>> AS IT SEEMS THE STATE DOESN'T
EXPECT TO PULL THE PLUG ON ITS

EXPECT TO PULL THE PLUG ON ITS
BIG HORN REINTRODUCTION ANY TIME

BIG HORN REINTRODUCTION ANY TIME
SOON, THE ISSUE LOOKS SET TO

SOON, THE ISSUE LOOKS SET TO
ENERGIZE TUCSON'S PASSIONS FOR

ENERGIZE TUCSON'S PASSIONS FOR
SOME TIME TO COME.

SOME TIME TO COME.
>>> GAME AND FISH FITTED THE BIG

>>> GAME AND FISH FITTED THE BIG
HORN SHEEP WITH GPS TRACKERS.

HORN SHEEP WITH GPS TRACKERS.
THE TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS THE AGENCY

THE TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS THE AGENCY
TO MONITOR THEIR MOVEMENTS.

TO MONITOR THEIR MOVEMENTS.
THAT SYSTEM SENDS OFFICERS A

THAT SYSTEM SENDS OFFICERS A
SIGNAL WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM

SIGNAL WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM
AND IT EVEN LETS OFFICERS KNOW

AND IT EVEN LETS OFFICERS KNOW
WHEN ONE OF THE RAMS CROSS THE

WHEN ONE OF THE RAMS CROSS THE
HIGHWAY.

HIGHWAY.
>> THIS IS THEIR MOVEMENTS.

>> THIS IS THEIR MOVEMENTS.
SO FAR, AS YOU CAN SEE, FOR

SO FAR, AS YOU CAN SEE, FOR
INSTANCE, LET ME GIVE YOU A GOOD

INSTANCE, LET ME GIVE YOU A GOOD
EXAMPLE.

EXAMPLE.
YOU

YOU
>> YOU FOLLOW THE -- THIS ONE

>> YOU FOLLOW THE -- THIS ONE
HERE ON THE WHITE LINE HERE,

HERE ON THE WHITE LINE HERE,
THAT IS A MALE THAT HAS BEEN

THAT IS A MALE THAT HAS BEEN
TRAVELING ALL THE WAY FROM THE

TRAVELING ALL THE WAY FROM THE
RELEASE SITE OVER CLOSER TO --

RELEASE SITE OVER CLOSER TO --
TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE OF THE

TOWARDS THE EAST SIDE OF THE
MOUNTAIN.

MOUNTAIN.
AND OVER TOWARDS THE CANYON.

AND OVER TOWARDS THE CANYON.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN MOVE THAT.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN MOVE THAT.
KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON HOW

KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON HOW
MUCH THEY MOVE.

MUCH THEY MOVE.
THIS IS STATE-OF-THE-ART

THIS IS STATE-OF-THE-ART
TECHNOLOGY, IT'S AWESOME BECAUSE

TECHNOLOGY, IT'S AWESOME BECAUSE
YOU CAN GET REAL DATA AND YOU

YOU CAN GET REAL DATA AND YOU
CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON

CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON
WITH THIS GROUP OF TEN

WITH THIS GROUP OF TEN
INDIVIDUALS HERE.

INDIVIDUALS HERE.
AND WE GOT -- WE HAVE THEM ALL

AND WE GOT -- WE HAVE THEM ALL
OVER THE PLACE HERE.

OVER THE PLACE HERE.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN A

LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN A
LITTLE MORE AND YOU CAN GET A

LITTLE MORE AND YOU CAN GET A
BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE

BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE
DOING.

DOING.
OBVIOUSLY -- OUR GOAL IS TO SEE

OBVIOUSLY -- OUR GOAL IS TO SEE
THEM GROUP UP A LITTLE MORE.

THEM GROUP UP A LITTLE MORE.
AND ONCE THEY DO THAT AND THEY

AND ONCE THEY DO THAT AND THEY
CHOOSE THE BEST HABITAT FOR

CHOOSE THE BEST HABITAT FOR
THEM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE

THEM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE
IDEAL, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE SAFER

IDEAL, BECAUSE THEY'LL BE SAFER
AND I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO

AND I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO
SURVIVE IN THIS RANGE.

SURVIVE IN THIS RANGE.
AS YOU KNOW, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE

AS YOU KNOW, THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE
GOES ALL THE WAY FROM 3,000 FEET

GOES ALL THE WAY FROM 3,000 FEET
TO 9,000 FEET.

TO 9,000 FEET.
WE CONTINUE WANT THEM AT 9,000

WE CONTINUE WANT THEM AT 9,000
FEET, WE DON'T THEM TO SELECT

FEET, WE DON'T THEM TO SELECT
THAT PERFECT HABITAT FOR THEM.

THAT PERFECT HABITAT FOR THEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING.
THAT'S COMING TOGETHER AS WE

THAT'S COMING TOGETHER AS WE
SPEAK.

SPEAK.
WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF

WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF
THEM GROUP UP TOGETHER.

THEM GROUP UP TOGETHER.
AND THIS IS REALLY GOOD.

AND THIS IS REALLY GOOD.
PAIR UP, I SHOULD SAY.

PAIR UP, I SHOULD SAY.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD INDICATION

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD INDICATION
THEY ARE GETTING COMFORTABLE

THEY ARE GETTING COMFORTABLE
WITH THE HABITAT.

WITH THE HABITAT.
AND THEY'RE CHOOSING WHERE TO

AND THEY'RE CHOOSING WHERE TO
LIVE AND SUCH.

LIVE AND SUCH.
SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING.

SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD THING.
>> WHY AREN'T THEY NECESSARILY

>> WHY AREN'T THEY NECESSARILY
ALL GROUPED UP BY NOW?

ALL GROUPED UP BY NOW?
>> THEY CAME FROM TWO DIFFERENT

>> THEY CAME FROM TWO DIFFERENT
SOURCES.

SOURCES.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW -- IT JUST

AND ALSO, YOU KNOW -- IT JUST
TAKES AWHILE FOR THEM TO DO

TAKES AWHILE FOR THEM TO DO
THAT.

THAT.
>> OKAY.

>> OKAY.
AND YOU AS GAME AND FISH

AND YOU AS GAME AND FISH
OFFICERS, YOU'RE ALERTED EVERY

OFFICERS, YOU'RE ALERTED EVERY
TIME THERE'S NO LONGER ANY

TIME THERE'S NO LONGER ANY
MOVEMENT FOR ONE THAT HAS A GPS

MOVEMENT FOR ONE THAT HAS A GPS
TRACKER WHICH MAY INDICATE A

TRACKER WHICH MAY INDICATE A
PROBLEM THIS.

PROBLEM THIS.
>> WE GET A MORTALITY SIGNAL.

>> WE GET A MORTALITY SIGNAL.
WIND T

WIND T
WITHIN TEN HOURS OF THAT COLLAR

WITHIN TEN HOURS OF THAT COLLAR
BEING SET IN A PLACE WITHOUT

BEING SET IN A PLACE WITHOUT
MOVING WE GET A MORTALITY

MOVING WE GET A MORTALITY
SIGNAL.

SIGNAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT INITIATES AN

AND THAT'S WHAT INITIATES AN
INVESTIGATION.

INVESTIGATION.
IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE

IN FACT, THAT'S ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY WE HAVE MORE

REASONS WHY WE HAVE MORE
INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT THAN

INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT THAN
OTHER PROJECTS.

OTHER PROJECTS.
BECAUSE WE HAVE -- THAT'S A NEW

BECAUSE WE HAVE -- THAT'S A NEW
TECHNOLOGY WHICH WE'RE STILL

TECHNOLOGY WHICH WE'RE STILL
WORKING ON.

WORKING ON.
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUES

WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ISSUES
WITH THE COLLARS.

WITH THE COLLARS.
BUT I THINK WE'RE WORKING WITH

BUT I THINK WE'RE WORKING WITH
THE MANUFACTURER IN TRYING TO

THE MANUFACTURER IN TRYING TO
RESOLVE THE SMALL ISSUES THAT WE

RESOLVE THE SMALL ISSUES THAT WE
HAVE WITH THE COLLARS.

HAVE WITH THE COLLARS.
>> THEY'RE ALL HERE.

>> THEY'RE ALL HERE.
AS YOU SAID, IT IS YOUR

AS YOU SAID, IT IS YOUR
RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING

RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SOMETHING
WITH THEM.

WITH THEM.
YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT.

YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE IT.
YOU'VE BROUGHT THEM HERE, IT'S

YOU'VE BROUGHT THEM HERE, IT'S
YOUR JOB TO MANAGE HOW THEY MOVE

YOUR JOB TO MANAGE HOW THEY MOVE
FROM THIS POINT ON.

FROM THIS POINT ON.
>> INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE

>> INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE
HAD -- WE HAD THOSE PUBLIC

HAD -- WE HAD THOSE PUBLIC
MEETINGS, PRESS RELEASES BEFORE

MEETINGS, PRESS RELEASES BEFORE
THE MAIN RELEASE OF THE SHEEP

THE MAIN RELEASE OF THE SHEEP
HERE, HOPING TO GET SOME PUBLIC

HERE, HOPING TO GET SOME PUBLIC
INPUT.

INPUT.
NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SHEEP HERE

NOW THAT WE HAVE THE SHEEP HERE
WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY -- WE

WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY -- WE
CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT

CAN'T JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT
NOW.

NOW.
WE HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY.

WE HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY.
TO HELP THE POPULATIONS.

TO HELP THE POPULATIONS.
>> GAME AND FISH SAYS

>> GAME AND FISH SAYS
TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS ARE NOT

TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS ARE NOT
FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS.

FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS.
BUT THROUGH AGENCY FEES.

BUT THROUGH AGENCY FEES.
AND THOSE FEES HAVE PAID FOR

AND THOSE FEES HAVE PAID FOR
OTHER TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS,

OTHER TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS,
FOR EXAMPLE, ARIZONA IS HOME TO

FOR EXAMPLE, ARIZONA IS HOME TO
A HEALTHY POPULATION OF

A HEALTHY POPULATION OF
CALIFORNIA CONDORS AND THOUSANDS

CALIFORNIA CONDORS AND THOUSANDS
OF BIG HORN SHEEP.

OF BIG HORN SHEEP.
HERE AGAIN IS RAUL VEGA FROM

HERE AGAIN IS RAUL VEGA FROM
GAME AND FISH.

GAME AND FISH.
>> THE POPULATION IS DOING

>> THE POPULATION IS DOING
FAIRLY WELL.

FAIRLY WELL.
THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.

THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.
AND ALSO NATIVE TO THE AREA.

AND ALSO NATIVE TO THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE TRIED -- WE DO A

YOU KNOW, WE TRIED -- WE DO A
LOT OF CONSERVATION WORK TO KEEP

LOT OF CONSERVATION WORK TO KEEP
THE WILDLIFE, NOT ONLY BIG HORN

THE WILDLIFE, NOT ONLY BIG HORN
SHEEP, BUT OTHER WILDLIFE IN THE

SHEEP, BUT OTHER WILDLIFE IN THE
AREA, ALIVE.

AREA, ALIVE.
WE DO PROVIDE WATER SOURCES TO

WE DO PROVIDE WATER SOURCES TO
THEM.

THEM.
WE BUILD WATER CATCHMENTS.

WE BUILD WATER CATCHMENTS.
AND THE POPULATION SEEMS TO BE

AND THE POPULATION SEEMS TO BE
DOING WELL AS OF NOW.

DOING WELL AS OF NOW.
>> ARE MOUNTAIN LIONS A PROBLEM

>> ARE MOUNTAIN LIONS A PROBLEM
OUT THERE?

OUT THERE?
>> MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE A PROBLEM

>> MOUNTAIN LIONS ARE A PROBLEM
THERE AS WELL.

THERE AS WELL.
THE POPULATION I THINK HAS

THE POPULATION I THINK HAS
GAINED A LOT OF STRENGTH TO BE

GAINED A LOT OF STRENGTH TO BE
ABLE TO SURVIVE THROUGHOUT THE

ABLE TO SURVIVE THROUGHOUT THE
LAST COUPLE OF DECADES.

LAST COUPLE OF DECADES.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COEXIST

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COEXIST
TOGETHER AT THIS POINT.

TOGETHER AT THIS POINT.
BUT LIONS ARE THERE AS WELL,

BUT LIONS ARE THERE AS WELL,
YES.

YES.
>> GAME AND FISH HAS BEEN

>> GAME AND FISH HAS BEEN
INVOLVED IN RELOCATION PROJECTS

INVOLVED IN RELOCATION PROJECTS
THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR

THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR
DECADES.

DECADES.
AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
TELL ME ABOUT SOME OF THOSE.

TELL ME ABOUT SOME OF THOSE.
>> WE'VE DONE -- JUST IN THE

>> WE'VE DONE -- JUST IN THE
SHEEP, WE'VE DONE OVER 2,000

SHEEP, WE'VE DONE OVER 2,000
TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS UP TO

TRANSLOCATION PROJECTS UP TO
THIS POINT.

THIS POINT.
WE HAVE 5,500 SHEEP, ESTIMATED

WE HAVE 5,500 SHEEP, ESTIMATED
POPULATION OF BIG HORN SHEEP OUT

POPULATION OF BIG HORN SHEEP OUT
THERE.

THERE.
AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD.

AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF IT BECAUSE

AND THAT'S A LOT OF IT BECAUSE
OF THE TRANSLOCATIONS THAT WE'VE

OF THE TRANSLOCATIONS THAT WE'VE
DONE.

DONE.
AND THAT IS IMPORTANT.

AND THAT IS IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
IT IS OUR MISSION.

IT IS OUR MISSION.
AND I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT

AND I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME
SITUATION HERE IN THE CATALINAS

SITUATION HERE IN THE CATALINAS
AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT.

AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
>> GAME AND FISH IS HAS ALSO

>> GAME AND FISH IS HAS ALSO
RELOCATED TURKEYS.

RELOCATED TURKEYS.
>> WE HAVE.

>> WE HAVE.
THAT'S ANOTHER SPECIES THAT I'M

THAT'S ANOTHER SPECIES THAT I'M
PROUD TO TALK ABOUT.

PROUD TO TALK ABOUT.
WE STARTED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.

WE STARTED ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.
WE DID A TRANSLOCATION.

WE DID A TRANSLOCATION.
WE CAPTURED TURKEYS IN MEXICO,

WE CAPTURED TURKEYS IN MEXICO,
BROUGHT THEM HERE.

BROUGHT THEM HERE.
NOW WE HAVE A SOURCE POPULATION

NOW WE HAVE A SOURCE POPULATION
IN THE WACHUKKAS WE USE TO

IN THE WACHUKKAS WE USE TO
ENHANCE OTHER POPULATIONS IN THE

ENHANCE OTHER POPULATIONS IN THE
REGION.

REGION.
RECENTLY WE ALSO TRADED WITH NEW

RECENTLY WE ALSO TRADED WITH NEW
MEXICO.

MEXICO.
WE TRADED 60 TURKEYS FOR

WE TRADED 60 TURKEYS FOR
ANTELOPE, PRONG HISTORIED

ANTELOPE, PRONG HISTORIED
ANTELOPE, ANOTHER SPECIES WE'RE

ANTELOPE, ANOTHER SPECIES WE'RE
WORKING ON TO ENHANCE THE

WORKING ON TO ENHANCE THE
POPULATION.

POPULATION.
OUR POPULATION OF PRONG HORN

OUR POPULATION OF PRONG HORN
ANTELOPE WAS CONTINUING TO

ANTELOPE WAS CONTINUING TO
DECLINE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL

DECLINE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL
YEARS.

YEARS.
AND NOW THIS YEAR, WE'RE

AND NOW THIS YEAR, WE'RE
STARTING TO SEE THE NUMBERS GO

STARTING TO SEE THE NUMBERS GO
UP AGAIN.

UP AGAIN.
SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN.

SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SIGN.
>> AS YOU STRESS, IT TAKES TIME.

>> AS YOU STRESS, IT TAKES TIME.
>> IT TAKES TIME.

>> IT TAKES TIME.
IT TAKES YEARS.

IT TAKES YEARS.
IT TAKES -- IT COULD TAKE THREE

IT TAKES -- IT COULD TAKE THREE
OR FOUR YEARS TO BRING THOSE

OR FOUR YEARS TO BRING THOSE
POPULATIONS BACK.

POPULATIONS BACK.
AGAIN, I WILL SAY THAT WE DON'T

AGAIN, I WILL SAY THAT WE DON'T
FOCUS JUST ON BIG GAME, WE FOCUS

FOCUS JUST ON BIG GAME, WE FOCUS
ON NONGAME SPECIES, GILA TROUT,

ON NONGAME SPECIES, GILA TROUT,
LEOPARD FROGS, BLACK TAILED

LEOPARD FROGS, BLACK TAILED
PRAIRIE DOGS, ALL WILDLIFE

PRAIRIE DOGS, ALL WILDLIFE
SPECIES.

SPECIES.
BECAUSE WE WANT THEM HERE 20

BECAUSE WE WANT THEM HERE 20
YEARS FROM NOW, 50 YEARS FROM

YEARS FROM NOW, 50 YEARS FROM
NOW.

NOW.
OVERALL ALL WILDLIFE SPECIES

OVERALL ALL WILDLIFE SPECIES
NATIVE TO THE STATE, IT'S WORTH

NATIVE TO THE STATE, IT'S WORTH
REINTRODUCING THEM BACK TO THE

REINTRODUCING THEM BACK TO THE
AREAS THAT THEY MAY BE LACKING.

AREAS THAT THEY MAY BE LACKING.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO
CONTINUE TO WORK AND DO GOOD

CONTINUE TO WORK AND DO GOOD
WILDLIFE CONSERVATION TO GET

WILDLIFE CONSERVATION TO GET
THOSE SPECIES BACK TO NORMAL.

THOSE SPECIES BACK TO NORMAL.
SO OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS CAN

SO OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS CAN
SEE THOSE IN THE FUTURE.

SEE THOSE IN THE FUTURE.
>> ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA IS

>> ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA IS
COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING THE

COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING THE
CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE

CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING THE
TRANSLOCATION OF THE BIG HORN

TRANSLOCATION OF THE BIG HORN
SHEEP.

SHEEP.
YOU CAN STAY UP TO STATE WITH

YOU CAN STAY UP TO STATE WITH
THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS ON

THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS ON
NEWS.AZPM.ORG.

NEWS.AZPM.ORG.
>>> OTHER NEWS WITH WHAT'S

>>> OTHER NEWS WITH WHAT'S
HAPPENING AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

HAPPENING AT THE STATE CAPITOL.
HERE WITH US IS POLITICAL

HERE WITH US IS POLITICAL
CORRESPONDENT CHRISTOPHER

CORRESPONDENT CHRISTOPHER
CONOVER.

CONOVER.
WHAT'S GOING ON?

WHAT'S GOING ON?
>> BIG STORY THIS WEEK WAS THE

>> BIG STORY THIS WEEK WAS THE
REPEAL OF A BILL.

REPEAL OF A BILL.
LAST YEAR THE LEGISLATURE PASSED

LAST YEAR THE LEGISLATURE PASSED
THE SWEEPING ELECTION REFORM

THE SWEEPING ELECTION REFORM
BILL.

BILL.
IT ENDED UP 140,000 PEOPLE SI

IT ENDED UP 140,000 PEOPLE SI
SIGNED A PETITION, PUT IT ON THE

SIGNED A PETITION, PUT IT ON THE
BALLOT TO REPEAL IT THIS

BALLOT TO REPEAL IT THIS
NOVEMBER.

NOVEMBER.
THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO

THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO
REPEAL IT THEMSELVES BEFORE THAT

REPEAL IT THEMSELVES BEFORE THAT
HAPPENS.

HAPPENS.
AND THE HOUSE PASSED IT THIS

AND THE HOUSE PASSED IT THIS
WEEK.

WEEK.
THE BIG CONCERN THOUGH IS THAT

THE BIG CONCERN THOUGH IS THAT
STATE LAWMAKERS WILL GO AHEAD

STATE LAWMAKERS WILL GO AHEAD
AND REPEAL IT.

AND REPEAL IT.
THE SENATOR AND GOVERNOR HAVE TO

THE SENATOR AND GOVERNOR HAVE TO
CHIME IN.

CHIME IN.
THEN TRY AND PUT IT BACK IN

THEN TRY AND PUT IT BACK IN
LITTLE PIECES.

LITTLE PIECES.
CHAD CAMPBELL, THE HOUSE

CHAD CAMPBELL, THE HOUSE
MINORITY LEADER, SAID HIS

MINORITY LEADER, SAID HIS
CONCERN IS A FRANKENSTEIN BILL

CONCERN IS A FRANKENSTEIN BILL
PLUNDERING THE VILLAGE OF

PLUNDERING THE VILLAGE OF
ARIZONA.

ARIZONA.
>> PRETTY DRAMATIC.

>> PRETTY DRAMATIC.
>> IT WAS, IT WAS.

>> IT WAS, IT WAS.
>> HOW SOON MIGHT WE SEE SOME

>> HOW SOON MIGHT WE SEE SOME
ACTUALLY START TO TAKE EFFECT

ACTUALLY START TO TAKE EFFECT
FOR VOTERS.

FOR VOTERS.
>> THE SENATE COULD TAKE IT UP

>> THE SENATE COULD TAKE IT UP
NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER.

NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER.
THEN IT'S THE GOVERNOR.

THEN IT'S THE GOVERNOR.
ALL OF IT'S ON HOLD WHILE THIS

ALL OF IT'S ON HOLD WHILE THIS
GETS WORKED OUT.

GETS WORKED OUT.
IF IT GETS REPEALED IT WON'T GO

IF IT GETS REPEALED IT WON'T GO
INTO EFFECT AT ALL.

INTO EFFECT AT ALL.
THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT

THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT
HAPPENS TO THE BALLOT

HAPPENS TO THE BALLOT
INITIATIVE?

INITIATIVE?
EVEN THOUGH IT'S THERE.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S THERE.
AND THE FACT THAT THE BILL

AND THE FACT THAT THE BILL
DOESN'T OR THE LAW DOESN'T EXIST

DOESN'T OR THE LAW DOESN'T EXIST
ANYMORE.

ANYMORE.
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT BALLOT

WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT BALLOT
INITIATIVE?

INITIATIVE?
>> WHAT ABOUT THIS NEXT WEEK?

>> WHAT ABOUT THIS NEXT WEEK?
ANYTHING MAJOR TO LOOK FORWARD

ANYTHING MAJOR TO LOOK FORWARD
TO AT THIS POINT?

TO AT THIS POINT?
>> THIS NEXT WEEK WE HAVE MORE

>> THIS NEXT WEEK WE HAVE MORE
APPROPRIATIONS FOR EDUCATION

APPROPRIATIONS FOR EDUCATION
COMING UP IN COMMITTEE.

COMING UP IN COMMITTEE.
AND OF COURSE FURTHER VOTES ON

AND OF COURSE FURTHER VOTES ON
THIS ELECTION BILL WILL PROBABLY

THIS ELECTION BILL WILL PROBABLY
BE THE BIG ISSUES.

BE THE BIG ISSUES.
>> A LOT TO COME IN THIS

>> A LOT TO COME IN THIS
SESSION, WE EXPECT TO WRAP UP

SESSION, WE EXPECT TO WRAP UP
LATER.

LATER.
>> SOMETIME PROBABLY APRIL,

>> SOMETIME PROBABLY APRIL,
EARLY MAY.

EARLY MAY.
>> CHRISTOPHER CONOVER, THANK

>> CHRISTOPHER CONOVER, THANK
YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEGISLATIVE

YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEGISLATIVE
WRAP THIS WEEK.

WRAP THIS WEEK.
AND THAT DOES IT FOR THIS

AND THAT DOES IT FOR THIS
EDITION OF "ARIZONA WEEK."

EDITION OF "ARIZONA WEEK."
FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC

FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC
MEDIA, I'M LORRAINE RIVERA.