1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,974 >>> A NEW YEAR AND A NEW U.S. SENATOR FOR ARIZONA. 2 00:00:08,976 --> 00:00:09,675 SENATOR FOR ARIZONA. REPUBLICAN JEFF FLECK. 3 00:00:09,677 --> 00:00:12,144 REPUBLICAN JEFF FLECK. >> THE RULES ARE SET UP THE 4 00:00:12,146 --> 00:00:14,613 >> THE RULES ARE SET UP THE MAJORITY AND THE SENATE, THEY'RE 5 00:00:14,615 --> 00:00:18,350 MAJORITY AND THE SENATE, THEY'RE SET UP TO PROTECT THE 6 00:00:18,352 --> 00:00:18,751 SET UP TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL. 7 00:00:18,753 --> 00:00:22,454 INDIVIDUAL. >> FLECK AND HIS COLLEAGUES FACE 8 00:00:22,456 --> 00:00:24,523 >> FLECK AND HIS COLLEAGUES FACE THE SAME ISSUES THAT BEDEVILLED 9 00:00:24,525 --> 00:00:26,925 THE SAME ISSUES THAT BEDEVILLED THE LAST LONG. 10 00:00:26,927 --> 00:00:28,360 THE LAST LONG. INCLUDING IMMIGRATION REFORM. 11 00:00:28,362 --> 00:00:30,763 INCLUDING IMMIGRATION REFORM. >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEPORT 12 00:00:30,765 --> 00:00:35,634 >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEPORT THEM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO 13 00:00:35,636 --> 00:00:36,035 THEM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SELF-DEPORT. 14 00:00:36,037 --> 00:00:38,604 SELF-DEPORT. >> TONIGHT GETTING TO KNOW 15 00:00:38,606 --> 00:00:46,145 >> TONIGHT GETTING TO KNOW SKBREF FLAKE AND TO GET A CHANCE 16 00:00:46,147 --> 00:01:09,201 SKBREF FLAKE AND TO GET A CHANCE TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS. 17 00:01:09,203 --> 00:01:12,104 TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS. >>> JEFF FLAKE WAS SWORN IN AS 18 00:01:12,106 --> 00:01:13,205 >>> JEFF FLAKE WAS SWORN IN AS ARIZONA'S JUNIOR SENATOR THREE 19 00:01:13,207 --> 00:01:14,573 ARIZONA'S JUNIOR SENATOR THREE WEEKS AGO. 20 00:01:14,575 --> 00:01:16,375 WEEKS AGO. HE SPOKE WITH US FROM THE HOUSE 21 00:01:16,377 --> 00:01:17,609 HE SPOKE WITH US FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE 22 00:01:17,611 --> 00:01:19,778 OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE ISSUES THAT HE AND HIS 23 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:21,013 ISSUES THAT HE AND HIS COLLEAGUES FACE. 24 00:01:21,015 --> 00:01:23,215 COLLEAGUES FACE. WE'LL START WITH IMGLAIGS. 25 00:01:23,217 --> 00:01:24,750 WE'LL START WITH IMGLAIGS. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN REGARD 26 00:01:24,752 --> 00:01:27,119 WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN REGARD TO IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THE 27 00:01:27,121 --> 00:01:27,453 TO IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THE COUNTRY? 28 00:01:27,455 --> 00:01:29,488 COUNTRY? >> WELL, FOUR BIG THINGS. 29 00:01:29,490 --> 00:01:31,790 >> WELL, FOUR BIG THINGS. ONE INCREASED MOTOR SECURITY. 30 00:01:31,792 --> 00:01:34,593 ONE INCREASED MOTOR SECURITY. THE NICE THING IN ARIZONA IS 31 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:36,295 THE NICE THING IN ARIZONA IS THAT WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE 32 00:01:36,297 --> 00:01:38,397 THAT WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT WORKS AND KIND OF AN EXAMPLE 33 00:01:38,399 --> 00:01:42,534 IT WORKS AND KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AND 34 00:01:42,536 --> 00:01:45,471 OF WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AND THAT'S THE TUCSON SECTOR. 35 00:01:45,473 --> 00:01:49,174 THAT'S THE TUCSON SECTOR. WE HAVE 270 MILES OF BORDER. 36 00:01:49,176 --> 00:01:52,578 WE HAVE 270 MILES OF BORDER. THEN WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A 37 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:54,813 THEN WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A ROBUST TEMPORARY WORKER PROGRAM 38 00:01:54,815 --> 00:01:55,881 ROBUST TEMPORARY WORKER PROGRAM GOING AHEAD. 39 00:01:55,883 --> 00:01:57,983 GOING AHEAD. THE FUTURE LABOR NEEDS, WE'RE 40 00:01:57,985 --> 00:01:59,952 THE FUTURE LABOR NEEDS, WE'RE SFOG TO NEED ADDITIONAL LABOR 41 00:01:59,954 --> 00:02:02,588 SFOG TO NEED ADDITIONAL LABOR AND THAT OUGHT TO BE TAKEN CARE 42 00:02:02,590 --> 00:02:05,491 AND THAT OUGHT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH A TEMPORARY WORKER PLAN. 43 00:02:05,493 --> 00:02:09,528 OF WITH A TEMPORARY WORKER PLAN. THIRD, WE NEED INTERIOR 44 00:02:09,530 --> 00:02:12,364 THIRD, WE NEED INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT, ON THE EMPLOYER 45 00:02:12,366 --> 00:02:16,001 ENFORCEMENT, ON THE EMPLOYER SIDE, WHETHER IT'S E VERY NI OR 46 00:02:16,003 --> 00:02:16,869 SIDE, WHETHER IT'S E VERY NI OR SOMETHING ELSE. 47 00:02:16,871 --> 00:02:20,506 SOMETHING ELSE. FOU, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A 48 00:02:20,508 --> 00:02:22,908 FOU, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THOSE WHO 49 00:02:22,910 --> 00:02:25,077 MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THOSE WHO ARE HERE IN THE AREA ELLIELY 50 00:02:25,079 --> 00:02:27,112 ARE HERE IN THE AREA ELLIELY NOW. 51 00:02:27,114 --> 00:02:28,981 NOW. THEY'RE GOING TO SELF DEPORT. 52 00:02:28,983 --> 00:02:32,084 THEY'RE GOING TO SELF DEPORT. WE NEED A REASONABLE, 53 00:02:32,086 --> 00:02:33,452 WE NEED A REASONABLE, RESPONSIBLE MECHANISM FOR THEM 54 00:02:33,454 --> 00:02:35,487 RESPONSIBLE MECHANISM FOR THEM TO DO IT. 55 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:39,124 TO DO IT. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE 56 00:02:39,126 --> 00:02:41,226 I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE AMNESTY, IT SHOULDN'T. 57 00:02:41,228 --> 00:02:43,562 AMNESTY, IT SHOULDN'T. BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT 58 00:02:43,564 --> 00:02:44,296 BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THOSE THAT ARE HERE ARE NOT 59 00:02:44,298 --> 00:02:46,865 THOSE THAT ARE HERE ARE NOT GOING TO SELF-DEPORT. 60 00:02:46,867 --> 00:02:51,069 GOING TO SELF-DEPORT. >> WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE BE 61 00:02:51,071 --> 00:02:52,704 >> WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE BE DONE ABOUT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE? 62 00:02:52,706 --> 00:02:55,374 DONE ABOUT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE? >> I THINK THE BEST FRAME WORK 63 00:02:55,376 --> 00:03:00,379 >> I THINK THE BEST FRAME WORK SO FAR IS THE TRY VAC, THAT SAYS 64 00:03:00,381 --> 00:03:02,381 SO FAR IS THE TRY VAC, THAT SAYS IF YOU AIR HERE ILL LEGALLY AND 65 00:03:02,383 --> 00:03:06,485 IF YOU AIR HERE ILL LEGALLY AND YOU WISH TO STAY IN A TEMPORARY 66 00:03:06,487 --> 00:03:09,188 YOU WISH TO STAY IN A TEMPORARY WORKER STATUS, YOU LEARN 67 00:03:09,190 --> 00:03:11,757 WORKER STATUS, YOU LEARN ENGLISH, YOU PAY BACK TAXES, YOU 68 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:13,425 ENGLISH, YOU PAY BACK TAXES, YOU JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS, 69 00:03:13,427 --> 00:03:14,826 JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS, ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY CRIMINAL 70 00:03:14,828 --> 00:03:17,429 ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY CRIMINAL RECORD WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO 71 00:03:17,431 --> 00:03:18,697 RECORD WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ENTER THIS PROGRAM. 72 00:03:18,699 --> 00:03:20,399 ENTER THIS PROGRAM. BUT IF THEY WISH LATER, TO 73 00:03:20,401 --> 00:03:22,601 BUT IF THEY WISH LATER, TO ADJUST THEIR STATUS AND PERHAPS 74 00:03:22,603 --> 00:03:24,836 ADJUST THEIR STATUS AND PERHAPS GO TOWARD CITIZENSHIP, THEY 75 00:03:24,838 --> 00:03:26,572 GO TOWARD CITIZENSHIP, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 76 00:03:26,574 --> 00:03:29,508 WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THE LINE 77 00:03:29,510 --> 00:03:32,110 EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THE LINE GOING THROUGH THE LEGAL ORDERLY 78 00:03:32,112 --> 00:03:36,548 GOING THROUGH THE LEGAL ORDERLY PROCESS, THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT 79 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:37,416 PROCESS, THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT THROUGH IT. 80 00:03:37,418 --> 00:03:40,786 THROUGH IT. THAT TO ME IS WHAT DEFINED 81 00:03:40,788 --> 00:03:43,322 THAT TO ME IS WHAT DEFINED AMNESTY, THOSE WHO CUT IN THE 82 00:03:43,324 --> 00:03:45,023 AMNESTY, THOSE WHO CUT IN THE LINE AHEAD OF THOSE WHO ARE 83 00:03:45,025 --> 00:03:46,525 LINE AHEAD OF THOSE WHO ARE LEGALLY GOING THROUGH THE 84 00:03:46,527 --> 00:03:46,858 LEGALLY GOING THROUGH THE PROSETZ. 85 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:48,727 PROSETZ. >> YOU SAID THAT THE 34RI8 86 00:03:48,729 --> 00:03:50,195 >> YOU SAID THAT THE 34RI8 REALITY IN IMMIGRATION REFORM 87 00:03:50,197 --> 00:03:50,996 REALITY IN IMMIGRATION REFORM WAS THAT BORDER SECURITY HAD TO 88 00:03:50,998 --> 00:03:53,832 WAS THAT BORDER SECURITY HAD TO COME FIRST. 89 00:03:53,834 --> 00:03:56,101 COME FIRST. DO WE HAVE A NEW POLITICAL 90 00:03:56,103 --> 00:03:58,570 DO WE HAVE A NEW POLITICAL REALITY NOW BASED ON THE NEW 91 00:03:58,572 --> 00:03:59,304 REALITY NOW BASED ON THE NEW POLITICAL OUTCOME. 92 00:03:59,306 --> 00:04:01,306 POLITICAL OUTCOME. >> I THINK REPUBLICANS, 93 00:04:01,308 --> 00:04:02,641 >> I THINK REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, EVERYBODY, REALIZES 94 00:04:02,643 --> 00:04:06,478 DEMOCRATS, EVERYBODY, REALIZES THAT WHICH KNEED TO DEAL WITH 95 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,347 THAT WHICH KNEED TO DEAL WITH THIS, BOTH FOR SUBSTANTIVE AND 96 00:04:08,349 --> 00:04:10,616 THIS, BOTH FOR SUBSTANTIVE AND POLITICAL REASONS. 97 00:04:10,618 --> 00:04:14,553 POLITICAL REASONS. ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE I THINK 98 00:04:14,555 --> 00:04:15,954 ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE I THINK THERE IT'S A REAL REASON THAT WE 99 00:04:15,956 --> 00:04:17,990 THERE IT'S A REAL REASON THAT WE CAN'T TAKE THE EGG POSITION THAT 100 00:04:17,992 --> 00:04:20,125 CAN'T TAKE THE EGG POSITION THAT WE HAVE TAKEN IN THE PAST. 101 00:04:20,127 --> 00:04:21,860 WE HAVE TAKEN IN THE PAST. BOARDER SECURITY NEEDS TO BE 102 00:04:21,862 --> 00:04:23,996 BOARDER SECURITY NEEDS TO BE PARAMOUNT, I THINK THAT IT WILL 103 00:04:23,998 --> 00:04:28,433 PARAMOUNT, I THINK THAT IT WILL BE, IT HAS TO BE IN ANY SOLUTION 104 00:04:28,435 --> 00:04:28,734 BE, IT HAS TO BE IN ANY SOLUTION HERE. 105 00:04:28,736 --> 00:04:29,701 HERE. IN ORDER TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME 106 00:04:29,703 --> 00:04:35,674 IN ORDER TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS I TALKED ABOUT IN 107 00:04:35,676 --> 00:04:36,808 OF THE ITEMS I TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF DEALING WITH THOSE WHO 108 00:04:36,810 --> 00:04:39,177 TERMS OF DEALING WITH THOSE WHO ARE HERE EMOTIONALLY. 109 00:04:39,179 --> 00:04:40,612 ARE HERE EMOTIONALLY. THE BORDER IS CHANGED OVER THE 110 00:04:40,614 --> 00:04:43,849 THE BORDER IS CHANGED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 111 00:04:43,851 --> 00:04:46,385 LAST SEVERAL YEARS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF 112 00:04:46,387 --> 00:04:48,754 AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF THOSE WHO HOLD PROPERTY NEAR AND 113 00:04:48,756 --> 00:04:53,759 THOSE WHO HOLD PROPERTY NEAR AND ON THE BORDER, THAT HAS TO BE 114 00:04:53,761 --> 00:04:57,429 ON THE BORDER, THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONTRACT. 115 00:04:57,431 --> 00:04:58,697 TAKEN INTO CONTRACT. I THINK WE CAN DO ALL THAT AND 116 00:04:58,699 --> 00:05:05,070 I THINK WE CAN DO ALL THAT AND THE FACT THAT WE HA--? 117 00:05:05,072 --> 00:05:07,472 THE FACT THAT WE HA--? HOW CAN THEY GET FROM ENFRENCHED 118 00:05:07,474 --> 00:05:09,207 HOW CAN THEY GET FROM ENFRENCHED POSITIONS TO SOLUTIONS? 119 00:05:09,209 --> 00:05:19,718 POSITIONS TO SOLUTIONS? I SPOKE WITH JUDITH GANS. 120 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,387 I SPOKE WITH JUDITH GANS. THANKTS SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH 121 00:05:22,389 --> 00:05:22,788 THANKTS SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH ME. 122 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:25,023 ME. FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, 123 00:05:25,025 --> 00:05:26,591 FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, RATHER THAN A POLITICAL 124 00:05:26,593 --> 00:05:28,527 RATHER THAN A POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE, WHAT NEEDS TO 125 00:05:28,529 --> 00:05:30,362 PERSPECTIVE, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO GET UP TO IMMIGRATION 126 00:05:30,364 --> 00:05:30,696 HAPPEN TO GET UP TO IMMIGRATION REFORM? 127 00:05:30,698 --> 00:05:32,964 REFORM? >> THE BIGGEST THING THAT NEEDS 128 00:05:32,966 --> 00:05:38,303 >> THE BIGGEST THING THAT NEEDS HAPPEN IS TO BRING THE LEGAL -- 129 00:05:38,305 --> 00:05:40,339 HAPPEN IS TO BRING THE LEGAL -- OTHER CURRENT SYSTEM WAS PUT IN 130 00:05:40,341 --> 00:05:44,242 OTHER CURRENT SYSTEM WAS PUT IN PLAITS IN THE MID 1960s AND IT'S 131 00:05:44,244 --> 00:05:48,380 PLAITS IN THE MID 1960s AND IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY OUT OF ALIGNMENT 132 00:05:48,382 --> 00:05:49,948 FUNDAMENTALLY OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURRENT U.S. ECONOMY. 133 00:05:49,950 --> 00:05:51,049 WITH THE CURRENT U.S. ECONOMY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT 134 00:05:51,051 --> 00:05:51,350 I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT THOSE. 135 00:05:51,352 --> 00:05:53,118 THOSE. ONE AT A TIME. 136 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,253 ONE AT A TIME. THE FIRST ONE IS, BORDER 137 00:05:55,255 --> 00:05:56,154 THE FIRST ONE IS, BORDER SECURITY, WHICH OF COURSE A LOT 138 00:05:56,156 --> 00:05:58,824 SECURITY, WHICH OF COURSE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY HAS TO COME FIRST. 139 00:05:58,826 --> 00:06:03,995 OF PEOPLE SAY HAS TO COME FIRST. >>> THAT'S A DILEMMA, BECAUSE 140 00:06:03,997 --> 00:06:06,898 >>> THAT'S A DILEMMA, BECAUSE IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT MIME 141 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:10,068 IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT MIME ARE WORRIED ABOUT ILLEGAL 142 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:10,502 ARE WORRIED ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATIONS. 143 00:06:10,504 --> 00:06:16,808 IMMIGRATIONS. BUT ILLEGAL IM ---RIGHT NOW THE 144 00:06:16,810 --> 00:06:19,578 BUT ILLEGAL IM ---RIGHT NOW THE ECONOMIC SEGMENT -- THE 145 00:06:19,580 --> 00:06:20,345 ECONOMIC SEGMENT -- THE OVERWHELMING THE LEGAL 146 00:06:20,347 --> 00:06:21,780 OVERWHELMING THE LEGAL IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. 147 00:06:21,782 --> 00:06:23,148 IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. SO IT ACTUALLY DIFFICULT TO 148 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:34,426 SO IT ACTUALLY DIFFICULT TO SECURE THE BORDER WHEN THEREA 149 00:06:34,428 --> 00:06:37,863 SECURE THE BORDER WHEN THEREA THAT BIG OF -- ILLEGAL 150 00:06:37,865 --> 00:06:39,965 THAT BIG OF -- ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A SYMPTOM OF THE 151 00:06:39,967 --> 00:06:41,333 IMMIGRATION IS A SYMPTOM OF THE PROBLEM, AND IT IS A PROBLEM, 152 00:06:41,335 --> 00:06:44,836 PROBLEM, AND IT IS A PROBLEM, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THIS MISMATCH 153 00:06:44,838 --> 00:06:47,038 BUT THE PROBLEM IS THIS MISMATCH OF LEGAL CHANNELS. 154 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,507 OF LEGAL CHANNELS. WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT GOETHE 155 00:06:48,509 --> 00:06:50,542 WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT GOETHE IN SERVICE SECTOR JOBS. 156 00:06:50,544 --> 00:06:53,745 IN SERVICE SECTOR JOBS. MOST OF THE -- WHEN WE TALK 157 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:58,383 MOST OF THE -- WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LOW CELL, WE TALK ABOUT 158 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:00,018 ABOUT LOW CELL, WE TALK ABOUT TIPLY LOW BASEMENT -- THEY'RE 159 00:07:00,020 --> 00:07:02,988 TIPLY LOW BASEMENT -- THEY'RE FROM A TIME WHEN GRADUATING FROM 160 00:07:02,990 --> 00:07:04,823 FROM A TIME WHEN GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL IS A BIG DEAL AND 161 00:07:04,825 --> 00:07:06,291 HIGH SCHOOL IS A BIG DEAL AND YOUNG IMMIGRANT WORKERS HAVE 162 00:07:06,293 --> 00:07:10,662 YOUNG IMMIGRANT WORKERS HAVE BEEN COMING IN ILLEGALLY BECAUSE 163 00:07:10,664 --> 00:07:13,799 BEEN COMING IN ILLEGALLY BECAUSE THE LEGAL CHANNEL IS STUDYING 164 00:07:13,801 --> 00:07:15,600 THE LEGAL CHANNEL IS STUDYING HOW TO FILL IN THE GAPS IN THE 165 00:07:15,602 --> 00:07:18,036 HOW TO FILL IN THE GAPS IN THE ECONOMY "WHAT LOOKS BEST FROM A 166 00:07:18,038 --> 00:07:19,671 ECONOMY "WHAT LOOKS BEST FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES 167 00:07:19,673 --> 00:07:20,539 POLICY PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT? 168 00:07:20,541 --> 00:07:22,040 TO THAT? >> THE MAIN THING THAT'S 169 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:25,544 >> THE MAIN THING THAT'S IMPORTANT IS FOR CONGRESS TO 170 00:07:25,546 --> 00:07:27,446 IMPORTANT IS FOR CONGRESS TO CREATE FLEX LT IN THE SYSTEM. 171 00:07:27,448 --> 00:07:29,748 CREATE FLEX LT IN THE SYSTEM. RIGHT NOW THE SYSTEM IS, WE DO 172 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:34,219 RIGHT NOW THE SYSTEM IS, WE DO HAVE GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS. 173 00:07:34,221 --> 00:07:37,722 HAVE GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS. THERE ARE AGRICULTURAL VISAS FOR 174 00:07:37,724 --> 00:07:41,560 THERE ARE AGRICULTURAL VISAS FOR PEOPLE TO WORK IN HOTEL, SKI 175 00:07:41,562 --> 00:07:42,928 PEOPLE TO WORK IN HOTEL, SKI RESORTS, THAT SORT OF THING. 176 00:07:42,930 --> 00:07:44,996 RESORTS, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT CONGRESS NEEDS TO CREATE 177 00:07:44,998 --> 00:07:46,565 BUT CONGRESS NEEDS TO CREATE EXPANDED GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS 178 00:07:46,567 --> 00:07:48,567 EXPANDED GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS THAT ARE FLEXIBLE THAT CAN 179 00:07:48,569 --> 00:07:50,101 THAT ARE FLEXIBLE THAT CAN CHANGE WITH THE ECONOMY. 180 00:07:50,103 --> 00:07:53,038 CHANGE WITH THE ECONOMY. >> AND IS THERE A NEED FOR A 181 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,273 >> AND IS THERE A NEED FOR A PERMANENT WORKER PROGRAM OF 182 00:07:55,275 --> 00:07:57,242 PERMANENT WORKER PROGRAM OF FOREIGNERS AT THE LOW SKILL 183 00:07:57,244 --> 00:07:57,943 FOREIGNERS AT THE LOW SKILL LEVEL? 184 00:07:57,945 --> 00:08:01,246 LEVEL? >> I THINK THAT'S LESS STRAIGHT 185 00:08:01,248 --> 00:08:01,580 >> I THINK THAT'S LESS STRAIGHT FORWARD. 186 00:08:01,582 --> 00:08:04,449 FORWARD. I THINK AS A PUBLIC POLICY 187 00:08:04,451 --> 00:08:06,451 I THINK AS A PUBLIC POLICY QUESTION, ANY TIME YOU CREATE A 188 00:08:06,453 --> 00:08:08,386 QUESTION, ANY TIME YOU CREATE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WORKERS AND 189 00:08:08,388 --> 00:08:09,688 DISTINCTION BETWEEN WORKERS AND STEPS, THAT CREATES PROBLEMS IN 190 00:08:09,690 --> 00:08:10,889 STEPS, THAT CREATES PROBLEMS IN THE LONG RUN. 191 00:08:10,891 --> 00:08:14,559 THE LONG RUN. WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE 192 00:08:14,561 --> 00:08:15,660 WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE TO LEARN ENGLISH, TO BECOME PART 193 00:08:15,662 --> 00:08:17,496 TO LEARN ENGLISH, TO BECOME PART OF OUR SOCIETY, BUT IF WE'RE 194 00:08:17,498 --> 00:08:19,664 OF OUR SOCIETY, BUT IF WE'RE REALLY SAYING, NO, WE REALLY 195 00:08:19,666 --> 00:08:21,633 REALLY SAYING, NO, WE REALLY WOOCHBT YOU TO WORK AND BY THE 196 00:08:21,635 --> 00:08:24,302 WOOCHBT YOU TO WORK AND BY THE WAY, LEAVE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH 197 00:08:24,304 --> 00:08:26,538 WAY, LEAVE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH YOU, THAT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD 198 00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:31,409 YOU, THAT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD BALANCE. 199 00:08:31,411 --> 00:08:33,044 BALANCE. CREATE MORE PERMANENT LEGAL 200 00:08:33,046 --> 00:08:35,347 CREATE MORE PERMANENT LEGAL CHANNELS SOA PEOPLE CAN COME AND 201 00:08:35,349 --> 00:08:37,616 CHANNELS SOA PEOPLE CAN COME AND JOIN OUR SOCIETY AND BECOME 202 00:08:37,618 --> 00:08:39,150 JOIN OUR SOCIETY AND BECOME FULL-FLEDGED MEMBERS OF IT. 203 00:08:39,152 --> 00:08:41,319 FULL-FLEDGED MEMBERS OF IT. >> AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE IN 204 00:08:41,321 --> 00:08:42,854 >> AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE IN RELATION TO THE AYE SKILLED 205 00:08:42,856 --> 00:08:43,288 RELATION TO THE AYE SKILLED PROGRAMS. 206 00:08:43,290 --> 00:08:44,689 PROGRAMS. THESE PROGRAMS HAVE STRICT 207 00:08:44,691 --> 00:08:47,359 THESE PROGRAMS HAVE STRICT LIMITS ON THEM AND A LOT OF 208 00:08:47,361 --> 00:08:48,026 LIMITS ON THEM AND A LOT OF BUSINESSES SAY THEY'RE NOT 209 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:49,127 BUSINESSES SAY THEY'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH OF THOSE WORKER 210 00:08:49,129 --> 00:08:53,265 GETTING ENOUGH OF THOSE WORKER INTO THE COUNTRY. 211 00:08:53,267 --> 00:08:55,667 INTO THE COUNTRY. >>> AGAIN FOR FLEXIBILITY AND 212 00:08:55,669 --> 00:08:58,803 >>> AGAIN FOR FLEXIBILITY AND THE NUMBER TO BE FLEXIBILITY. 213 00:08:58,805 --> 00:09:01,640 THE NUMBER TO BE FLEXIBILITY. >> THE REAL CRITICISMS OF OUR 214 00:09:01,642 --> 00:09:03,808 >> THE REAL CRITICISMS OF OUR CURRENT SYSTEM, IS WE'RE 215 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:05,277 CURRENT SYSTEM, IS WE'RE EDUCATING A LOT OF HIGH SKILLED 216 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,212 EDUCATING A LOT OF HIGH SKILLED FOREIGN STUDENTS IN OUR 217 00:09:07,214 --> 00:09:07,646 FOREIGN STUDENTS IN OUR UNIVERSITIES. 218 00:09:07,648 --> 00:09:08,413 UNIVERSITIES. IT'S CURRENTLY FOR THAT 219 00:09:08,415 --> 00:09:10,882 IT'S CURRENTLY FOR THAT KNOWLEDGE TO STAY HERE IN THE 220 00:09:10,884 --> 00:09:11,216 KNOWLEDGE TO STAY HERE IN THE COUNTRY. 221 00:09:11,218 --> 00:09:13,218 COUNTRY. IF PEOPLE COME IN HERE ON 222 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:16,187 IF PEOPLE COME IN HERE ON STUDENT VISAS AND GET ENGINEERS 223 00:09:16,189 --> 00:09:17,789 STUDENT VISAS AND GET ENGINEERS OR COMMUTER SCIENCE DEGREES, AND 224 00:09:17,791 --> 00:09:20,325 OR COMMUTER SCIENCE DEGREES, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND 225 00:09:20,327 --> 00:09:21,726 IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO STAY AS 226 00:09:21,728 --> 00:09:24,095 EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO STAY AS PERMANENT WORKERS. 227 00:09:24,097 --> 00:09:24,829 PERMANENT WORKERS. >> NOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE 228 00:09:24,831 --> 00:09:27,599 >> NOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE VISA SYSTEM FOR THE FAMILIES OF 229 00:09:27,601 --> 00:09:29,067 VISA SYSTEM FOR THE FAMILIES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY, 230 00:09:29,069 --> 00:09:31,636 PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY, WHETHER THEY'RE CITIZENS OR 231 00:09:31,638 --> 00:09:34,072 WHETHER THEY'RE CITIZENS OR PERMANENT RESIDENTS, FOR FIXES 232 00:09:34,074 --> 00:09:35,206 PERMANENT RESIDENTS, FOR FIXES NEEDED THERE? 233 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:37,642 NEEDED THERE? >> IN 2007 WHEN SENATORS KENNEDY 234 00:09:37,644 --> 00:09:39,945 >> IN 2007 WHEN SENATORS KENNEDY AND DIAL PROPOSED A SIGNIFICANT 235 00:09:39,947 --> 00:09:41,713 AND DIAL PROPOSED A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE IMMIGRATION 236 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:43,348 CHANGE TO THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, THERE WAS TALK AT THAT 237 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:46,351 SYSTEM, THERE WAS TALK AT THAT TIME ABOUT MOVING TO A OPPONENT 238 00:09:46,353 --> 00:09:49,654 TIME ABOUT MOVING TO A OPPONENT BASIS, WHERE INSTEAD -- IF YOU 239 00:09:49,656 --> 00:09:52,557 BASIS, WHERE INSTEAD -- IF YOU ARE A U.S. CITIZEN WITH CLOSE 240 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:53,858 ARE A U.S. CITIZEN WITH CLOSE RELATIVES WHO ARE FOREIGN 241 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:55,760 RELATIVES WHO ARE FOREIGN NATIONALS, IT'S REALLY, REALLY 242 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:58,863 NATIONALS, IT'S REALLY, REALLY EASY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO 243 00:09:58,865 --> 00:10:01,099 EASY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO IMMIGRATE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR 244 00:10:01,101 --> 00:10:03,702 IMMIGRATE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR MATCH OF, OR THEIR SORT OF SKILL 245 00:10:03,704 --> 00:10:07,172 MATCH OF, OR THEIR SORT OF SKILL OF WORKERS TO THE U.S. MY. 246 00:10:07,174 --> 00:10:08,873 OF WORKERS TO THE U.S. MY. THE AT THE TIME IT WAS TO GO TO 247 00:10:08,875 --> 00:10:11,476 THE AT THE TIME IT WAS TO GO TO A POINT SYSTEM AND THERE WAS 248 00:10:11,478 --> 00:10:12,978 A POINT SYSTEM AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY -- 249 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:14,646 SOME CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY -- DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE 250 00:10:14,648 --> 00:10:17,082 DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE RIGHTS, SO THERE WAS TALK AT 251 00:10:17,084 --> 00:10:18,917 RIGHTS, SO THERE WAS TALK AT THAT POINT OF INCLUDING FAMILY 252 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:19,851 THAT POINT OF INCLUDING FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS AS ONE OF THE 253 00:10:19,853 --> 00:10:21,987 RELATIONSHIPS AS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GET POINTS FOR, BUT 254 00:10:21,989 --> 00:10:24,422 THINGS YOU GET POINTS FOR, BUT ALL OF THIS IS REALLY UP IN THE 255 00:10:24,424 --> 00:10:25,924 ALL OF THIS IS REALLY UP IN THE AIR, CONGRESS HAS ALLOWED 256 00:10:25,926 --> 00:10:28,193 AIR, CONGRESS HAS ALLOWED DIFFERENT WAYS THEY CAN 257 00:10:28,195 --> 00:10:31,029 DIFFERENT WAYS THEY CAN STRUCTURE THE SYSTEM, BUT IT 258 00:10:31,031 --> 00:10:34,332 STRUCTURE THE SYSTEM, BUT IT NIDS TO BE STRUCTURED TO BE IN 259 00:10:34,334 --> 00:10:37,168 NIDS TO BE STRUCTURED TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURRENT 260 00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:37,736 ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURRENT REALITIES. 261 00:10:37,738 --> 00:10:39,904 REALITIES. >> WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE 262 00:10:39,906 --> 00:10:41,239 >> WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ESTIMATED 11 MILLION PEOPLE IN 263 00:10:41,241 --> 00:10:43,508 ESTIMATED 11 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY NOW ILLEGALLY? 264 00:10:43,510 --> 00:10:48,546 THE COUNTRY NOW ILLEGALLY? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEROR 265 00:10:48,548 --> 00:10:50,248 WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEROR WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THERE? 266 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:54,219 WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THERE? >> THAT THE QUESTION OF AMNESTY 267 00:10:54,221 --> 00:10:56,821 >> THAT THE QUESTION OF AMNESTY IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE 2007 268 00:10:56,823 --> 00:10:58,556 IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE 2007 NEGOTIATIONS, AND REALLY WHAT'S 269 00:10:58,558 --> 00:11:00,125 NEGOTIATIONS, AND REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IS A POLITICAL DEBATE 270 00:11:00,127 --> 00:11:01,793 HAPPENING IS A POLITICAL DEBATE WITHIN THE COUNTRY ABOUT WHAT'S 271 00:11:01,795 --> 00:11:03,128 WITHIN THE COUNTRY ABOUT WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE PENALTY FOR 272 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:05,163 THE APPROPRIATE PENALTY FOR BEING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. 273 00:11:05,165 --> 00:11:07,599 BEING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. ONE SIDE WILL SAY, LOOK, THEY 274 00:11:07,601 --> 00:11:10,435 ONE SIDE WILL SAY, LOOK, THEY BROKE OUR LAWS, THEY SHOULD BE 275 00:11:10,437 --> 00:11:12,337 BROKE OUR LAWS, THEY SHOULD BE DEPORTED AND THERE SHOULD BE NO 276 00:11:12,339 --> 00:11:13,071 DEPORTED AND THERE SHOULD BE NO MERCY. 277 00:11:13,073 --> 00:11:15,607 MERCY. THAT'S AT BEEN END OF THE 278 00:11:15,609 --> 00:11:16,074 THAT'S AT BEEN END OF THE SPECTRUM. 279 00:11:16,076 --> 00:11:19,878 SPECTRUM. >> ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE 280 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,281 >> ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE EMPLOY KBRERS SAYING, WE TAUGHT 281 00:11:23,283 --> 00:11:26,251 EMPLOY KBRERS SAYING, WE TAUGHT THEM A SKILL AND THEY'RE MARRIED 282 00:11:26,253 --> 00:11:27,519 THEM A SKILL AND THEY'RE MARRIED TO U.S. CITIZENS, THEY'RE 283 00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:32,957 TO U.S. CITIZENS, THEY'RE EMBEDDED IN OUR SOCIETY, LET'S 284 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:35,493 EMBEDDED IN OUR SOCIETY, LET'S JUST LET IT GO. 285 00:11:35,495 --> 00:11:37,062 JUST LET IT GO. SO WE'RE HAVING THIS POLITICAL 286 00:11:37,064 --> 00:11:38,963 SO WE'RE HAVING THIS POLITICAL DEBATE OVER WHAT THE APPROPRIATE 287 00:11:38,965 --> 00:11:40,598 DEBATE OVER WHAT THE APPROPRIATE PENALTY SHOULD BE AND ONCE THAT 288 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,134 PENALTY SHOULD BE AND ONCE THAT I 289 00:11:43,136 --> 00:11:46,371 I IS -- ONCE THAT SETTLES, I THINK 290 00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:49,174 IS -- ONCE THAT SETTLES, I THINK WE CAN GO ON TO MAKE THE OTHER 291 00:11:49,176 --> 00:11:50,008 WE CAN GO ON TO MAKE THE OTHER CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM. 292 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:55,013 CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM. BUT SO FAR THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY 293 00:11:55,015 --> 00:11:57,515 BUT SO FAR THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY LIMITED THE PROIMMIGRATION 294 00:11:57,517 --> 00:11:57,849 LIMITED THE PROIMMIGRATION SYSTEM. 295 00:11:57,851 --> 00:12:00,251 SYSTEM. >> AS A LONG-TIME STUDENT OF 296 00:12:00,253 --> 00:12:01,653 >> AS A LONG-TIME STUDENT OF IMMIGRATION POLICY IN THIS 297 00:12:01,655 --> 00:12:04,956 IMMIGRATION POLICY IN THIS COUNTRY, WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE NOW 298 00:12:04,958 --> 00:12:06,024 COUNTRY, WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE NOW THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS BACK ON 299 00:12:06,026 --> 00:12:07,392 THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS BACK ON THE FRONT BURNER? 300 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:09,294 THE FRONT BURNER? >> AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, WHAT 301 00:12:09,296 --> 00:12:11,429 >> AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, WHAT A DIFFERENCE AN ELECTION MAKES. 302 00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:12,897 A DIFFERENCE AN ELECTION MAKES. I THINK THE MOST RECENT 303 00:12:12,899 --> 00:12:14,532 I THINK THE MOST RECENT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THE 304 00:12:14,534 --> 00:12:16,434 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THE CHANGES NA WE SAW IN THE 305 00:12:16,436 --> 00:12:20,338 CHANGES NA WE SAW IN THE CONGRESS HAVE REALLY CHANGED THE 306 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:20,839 CONGRESS HAVE REALLY CHANGED THE DYNAMICS. 307 00:12:20,841 --> 00:12:24,442 DYNAMICS. THE ROLE OF HISPANIC VOTERS IN 308 00:12:24,444 --> 00:12:27,579 THE ROLE OF HISPANIC VOTERS IN THE UNITED STATES, IT'S CLEARLY 309 00:12:27,581 --> 00:12:28,313 THE UNITED STATES, IT'S CLEARLY COMING TO KNEW WHICH IS IF YOU 310 00:12:28,315 --> 00:12:29,981 COMING TO KNEW WHICH IS IF YOU WILL. 311 00:12:29,983 --> 00:12:33,051 WILL. I THINK THERE'S A DYNAMIC THAT 312 00:12:33,053 --> 00:12:34,986 I THINK THERE'S A DYNAMIC THAT WE CAN'T JUST KEEP DEMONIZING 313 00:12:34,988 --> 00:12:38,356 WE CAN'T JUST KEEP DEMONIZING OUR IMMIGRANTS FOR THE FACT THAT 314 00:12:38,358 --> 00:12:40,692 OUR IMMIGRANTS FOR THE FACT THAT OUR -- STEP TO SOLVING THE 315 00:12:40,694 --> 00:12:41,760 OUR -- STEP TO SOLVING THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE THERE. 316 00:12:41,762 --> 00:12:52,537 PROBLEMS THAT ARE THERE. >> JEW DUJU DEATH GANZ. 317 00:12:52,539 --> 00:12:55,573 >> JEW DUJU DEATH GANZ. >> IMMIGRATION ISN'T THE ONLY 318 00:12:55,575 --> 00:12:58,443 >> IMMIGRATION ISN'T THE ONLY BIG ITEM ON THE SENATOR'S 319 00:12:58,445 --> 00:13:00,078 BIG ITEM ON THE SENATOR'S AJEOPARDY DACHLT HERE'S MORE OF 320 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,879 AJEOPARDY DACHLT HERE'S MORE OF MY INTERVIEW WITH JART JEFF 321 00:13:00,881 --> 00:13:04,582 MY INTERVIEW WITH JART JEFF FLAKE. 322 00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:06,918 FLAKE. >> ONE OF YOUR LAST ACTIONS AS A 323 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,454 >> ONE OF YOUR LAST ACTIONS AS A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE WAS THE VOTE 324 00:13:09,456 --> 00:13:11,689 MEMBER OF THE HOUSE WAS THE VOTE ON THE TERIN RARE, IF WE MAY 325 00:13:11,691 --> 00:13:14,893 ON THE TERIN RARE, IF WE MAY CALL IT THAT, NIS CALL REPAIR OR 326 00:13:14,895 --> 00:13:16,961 CALL IT THAT, NIS CALL REPAIR OR HOW EVER WOULD YOU LIKE TO 327 00:13:16,963 --> 00:13:17,996 HOW EVER WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHARACTERIZE IT, I WOULD URGE 328 00:13:17,998 --> 00:13:19,264 CHARACTERIZE IT, I WOULD URGE YOU TO DO THAT. 329 00:13:19,266 --> 00:13:21,900 YOU TO DO THAT. AND YOUR VOTE WAS GEPT THE PACK 330 00:13:21,902 --> 00:13:23,635 AND YOUR VOTE WAS GEPT THE PACK FAJ THAT CAME THROUGH, COULD YOU 331 00:13:23,637 --> 00:13:24,602 FAJ THAT CAME THROUGH, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? 332 00:13:24,604 --> 00:13:26,905 EXPLAIN THAT? >> I NET THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE 333 00:13:26,907 --> 00:13:28,706 >> I NET THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE SOME SPENDING CUTS AT SOME 334 00:13:28,708 --> 00:13:33,878 SOME SPENDING CUTS AT SOME POINT, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE 335 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:34,913 POINT, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE SEQUEST 336 00:13:34,915 --> 00:13:36,147 SEQUEST SEQUESTER, I'M NOT FOND OF THE 337 00:13:36,149 --> 00:13:37,949 SEQUESTER, I'M NOT FOND OF THE BUDGET CONTROL THAT CAME ABOUT A 338 00:13:37,951 --> 00:13:39,284 BUDGET CONTROL THAT CAME ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. 339 00:13:39,286 --> 00:13:41,586 YEAR AND A HALF AGO. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE 340 00:13:41,588 --> 00:13:42,954 IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE SEQUESTER, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND 341 00:13:42,956 --> 00:13:44,622 SEQUESTER, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CUT. 342 00:13:44,624 --> 00:13:46,524 OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CUT. IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE THAT WE 343 00:13:46,526 --> 00:13:48,593 IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THE FISCAL CLIFF, 344 00:13:48,595 --> 00:13:50,728 COULD ADDRESS THE FISCAL CLIFF, THE CLIFF IS THERE BECAUSE OF 345 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:53,131 THE CLIFF IS THERE BECAUSE OF OUR MASSIVE DEBTS AND DEFICIT 346 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:55,300 OUR MASSIVE DEBTS AND DEFICIT AND ACTUALLY PASS A BILL THAT 347 00:13:55,302 --> 00:13:59,337 AND ACTUALLY PASS A BILL THAT INCREASES SPENDING AND THEN JUST 348 00:13:59,339 --> 00:14:01,840 INCREASES SPENDING AND THEN JUST KEEP THE SPENDING CUTS DOWN THE 349 00:14:01,842 --> 00:14:02,307 KEEP THE SPENDING CUTS DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN. 350 00:14:02,309 --> 00:14:04,342 ROAD AGAIN. I COULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT. 351 00:14:04,344 --> 00:14:07,312 I COULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT. >> IT NOT TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, 352 00:14:07,314 --> 00:14:12,350 >> IT NOT TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, BUT IT'S JUST A MO OR MORE THAT 353 00:14:12,352 --> 00:14:14,519 BUT IT'S JUST A MO OR MORE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS TO WORK ON 354 00:14:14,521 --> 00:14:14,853 THE PRESIDENT HAS TO WORK ON THAT. 355 00:14:14,855 --> 00:14:18,256 THAT. >> WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? 356 00:14:18,258 --> 00:14:20,024 >> WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? >> THE SOLUTION IS TO CUT 357 00:14:20,026 --> 00:14:20,391 >> THE SOLUTION IS TO CUT SPENDING. 358 00:14:20,393 --> 00:14:21,125 SPENDING. THE PRESIDENT HASLEM MADE ITS 359 00:14:21,127 --> 00:14:23,461 THE PRESIDENT HASLEM MADE ITS CLEAR HE WANTS TO SHAKE THE 360 00:14:23,463 --> 00:14:24,362 CLEAR HE WANTS TO SHAKE THE REVENUE TREE ONCE AGAIN. 361 00:14:24,364 --> 00:14:25,930 REVENUE TREE ONCE AGAIN. THAT ONLY GOES SO FAR. 362 00:14:25,932 --> 00:14:27,732 THAT ONLY GOES SO FAR. WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME TAX 363 00:14:27,734 --> 00:14:29,133 WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME TAX INCREASES AND I THINK IT'S TIME 364 00:14:29,135 --> 00:14:30,235 INCREASES AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO CUT SPENDING NOW. 365 00:14:30,237 --> 00:14:32,503 TO CUT SPENDING NOW. >> LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT THAT 366 00:14:32,505 --> 00:14:35,707 >> LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT THAT THE SEQUESTER, I STILL PLEN THAT 367 00:14:35,709 --> 00:14:39,811 THE SEQUESTER, I STILL PLEN THAT IT HITS FAR TOO HARD ON DEFENSE 368 00:14:39,813 --> 00:14:41,145 IT HITS FAR TOO HARD ON DEFENSE RATHER THAN SOME OTHER AREAS. 369 00:14:41,147 --> 00:14:44,716 RATHER THAN SOME OTHER AREAS. IN THE HOUSE WE HAVE A GOOD 370 00:14:44,718 --> 00:14:46,951 IN THE HOUSE WE HAVE A GOOD BLUEPRINT, THE RYAN BUDGET. 371 00:14:46,953 --> 00:15:02,300 BLUEPRINT, THE RYAN BUDGET. YOU'VE GOT THE SIMPSON BOWLES -- 372 00:15:02,302 --> 00:15:06,037 YOU'VE GOT THE SIMPSON BOWLES -- WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN THAT. 373 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:07,906 WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN THAT. IT'S I ANYBODY WHO SAYS THAT IN 374 00:15:07,908 --> 00:15:10,708 IT'S I ANYBODY WHO SAYS THAT IN A $700 BILLION DEFENSE BUDGET, 375 00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:12,510 A $700 BILLION DEFENSE BUDGET, BUT THERE'S NO ROOM FOR 376 00:15:12,512 --> 00:15:14,412 BUT THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL SAVINGS, ISN'T 377 00:15:14,414 --> 00:15:15,380 ADDITIONAL SAVINGS, ISN'T LOOKING REGARD ENOUGH. 378 00:15:15,382 --> 00:15:18,716 LOOKING REGARD ENOUGH. HAVING SAID THAT, THE SEQUESTER 379 00:15:18,718 --> 00:15:21,953 HAVING SAID THAT, THE SEQUESTER GOES FAR TOO FAR, AND WE NEED TO 380 00:15:21,955 --> 00:15:24,289 GOES FAR TOO FAR, AND WE NEED TO FIND THAT RIGHT APPROACH AND 381 00:15:24,291 --> 00:15:25,623 FIND THAT RIGHT APPROACH AND TAKE IT. 382 00:15:25,625 --> 00:15:28,660 TAKE IT. BUT WE HAVE GOT TO CUT EVERY 383 00:15:28,662 --> 00:15:31,129 BUT WE HAVE GOT TO CUT EVERY AREA, BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU'RE 384 00:15:31,131 --> 00:15:35,366 AREA, BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU'RE BORROWING 40 CENTS ON EACH 385 00:15:35,368 --> 00:15:39,671 BORROWING 40 CENTS ON EACH DOLLAR, MORE CUTS NEED TO BE. 386 00:15:39,673 --> 00:15:42,240 DOLLAR, MORE CUTS NEED TO BE. >> WE ARE THE ENTITLEMENT 387 00:15:42,242 --> 00:15:43,975 >> WE ARE THE ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM, AND IN PARTICULAR, 388 00:15:43,977 --> 00:15:45,843 PROGRAM, AND IN PARTICULAR, MEDICARE, AND TO A CERTAIN 389 00:15:45,845 --> 00:15:47,946 MEDICARE, AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT MEDICAID, WITH MEDICARE 390 00:15:47,948 --> 00:15:49,514 EXTENT MEDICAID, WITH MEDICARE WE HAVE GOT TO DO A LOT OF 391 00:15:49,516 --> 00:15:51,282 WE HAVE GOT TO DO A LOT OF THINGS AND WE OUTLINED SOME OF 392 00:15:51,284 --> 00:15:53,384 THINGS AND WE OUTLINED SOME OF THOSE IN THE RYAN BUDGET OR THE 393 00:15:53,386 --> 00:15:54,152 THOSE IN THE RYAN BUDGET OR THE RYAN APPROACH. 394 00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:57,689 RYAN APPROACH. WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE 395 00:15:57,691 --> 00:15:59,624 WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE REQUIREMENT AGE FOR SOCIAL 396 00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:00,692 REQUIREMENT AGE FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND FOR MEDICARE. 397 00:16:00,694 --> 00:16:07,165 SECURITY AND FOR MEDICARE. WE HAVE GOT TO GO TO 67 LIKE WE 398 00:16:07,167 --> 00:16:08,433 WE HAVE GOT TO GO TO 67 LIKE WE ARE TO 67. 399 00:16:08,435 --> 00:16:11,169 ARE TO 67. IT'S NOT A VOUCHER MODEL THAT 400 00:16:11,171 --> 00:16:13,504 IT'S NOT A VOUCHER MODEL THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS THOSE WHO ARE 401 00:16:13,506 --> 00:16:16,474 ACTUALLY ALLOWS THOSE WHO ARE UNDER AGE 55 TO HAVE SOME HOPE 402 00:16:16,476 --> 00:16:17,608 UNDER AGE 55 TO HAVE SOME HOPE THAT THE PROGRAM WILL BE AROUND 403 00:16:17,610 --> 00:16:18,776 THAT THE PROGRAM WILL BE AROUND FOR THEM. 404 00:16:18,778 --> 00:16:21,045 FOR THEM. UNDER CURRENT POLICY, IT WON'T B 405 00:16:21,047 --> 00:16:24,549 UNDER CURRENT POLICY, IT WON'T B AND SO WE HAVE GOT THE CHANGE 406 00:16:24,551 --> 00:16:24,849 AND SO WE HAVE GOT THE CHANGE THAT. 407 00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:28,653 THAT. >> HOW WILL THE -- WHICH THE 408 00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:29,988 >> HOW WILL THE -- WHICH THE DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED TO OR 409 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:31,723 DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED TO OR WITHOUT SOME KIND OF SIGNIFICANT 410 00:16:31,725 --> 00:16:34,492 WITHOUT SOME KIND OF SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN REVENUES, TAX 411 00:16:34,494 --> 00:16:36,794 INCREASES IN REVENUES, TAX REVENUES, WHICH REPUBLICANS ARE 412 00:16:36,796 --> 00:16:37,161 REVENUES, WHICH REPUBLICANS ARE CLOSE TO? 413 00:16:37,163 --> 00:16:38,429 CLOSE TO? HOW CAN WE DO IT? 414 00:16:38,431 --> 00:16:40,264 HOW CAN WE DO IT? >> WE HAVE ALREADY ON THE TAX 415 00:16:40,266 --> 00:16:41,099 >> WE HAVE ALREADY ON THE TAX SIDE, WE HAVE ALREADY RAISED THE 416 00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:44,502 SIDE, WE HAVE ALREADY RAISED THE TOP RATE. 417 00:16:44,504 --> 00:16:46,671 TOP RATE. $650 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL 418 00:16:46,673 --> 00:16:47,805 $650 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE WILL BE COMING THERE. 419 00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:53,044 REVENUE WILL BE COMING THERE. IN THE CONTEXT OF REAL TAX 420 00:16:53,046 --> 00:16:53,945 IN THE CONTEXT OF REAL TAX REFORM, WE'LL LIKELY RECEIVE OR 421 00:16:53,947 --> 00:16:56,981 REFORM, WE'LL LIKELY RECEIVE OR REALIZE ADDITIONAL REVENUE WHEN 422 00:16:56,983 --> 00:16:59,317 REALIZE ADDITIONAL REVENUE WHEN YOU YOU CAN GET RID OF 423 00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:02,553 YOU YOU CAN GET RID OF TEMPLEATIONS AND LOOPHOLES. 424 00:17:02,555 --> 00:17:05,123 TEMPLEATIONS AND LOOPHOLES. AND CERTAINLY, THE DEMOCRATS, I 425 00:17:05,125 --> 00:17:06,290 AND CERTAINLY, THE DEMOCRATS, I THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE 426 00:17:06,292 --> 00:17:08,659 THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE LARMLY GOTTEN OVER OUR AVERSION 427 00:17:08,661 --> 00:17:11,329 LARMLY GOTTEN OVER OUR AVERSION TO ADDITIONAL RESIDUE COMING IN. 428 00:17:11,331 --> 00:17:13,631 TO ADDITIONAL RESIDUE COMING IN. THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO GET OVER 429 00:17:13,633 --> 00:17:15,266 THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO GET OVER THEIR AVERSION TO DEALING WITH 430 00:17:15,268 --> 00:17:16,167 THEIR AVERSION TO DEALING WITH SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. 431 00:17:16,169 --> 00:17:18,803 SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. 432 00:17:18,805 --> 00:17:20,805 WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. AND THE PRESIDENT HASSED A TIMES 433 00:17:20,807 --> 00:17:23,107 AND THE PRESIDENT HASSED A TIMES SNALED THAT HE'S WILLING TO GO 434 00:17:23,109 --> 00:17:26,677 SNALED THAT HE'S WILLING TO GO THERE, BUT THEN HE SEEMS TO BE 435 00:17:26,679 --> 00:17:28,513 THERE, BUT THEN HE SEEMS TO BE YANKED RIGHT BACK BY HIS BASE OR 436 00:17:28,515 --> 00:17:30,081 YANKED RIGHT BACK BY HIS BASE OR BY OTHER INTERESTS. 437 00:17:30,083 --> 00:17:32,984 BY OTHER INTERESTS. IT GOT TO BE DONE. 438 00:17:32,986 --> 00:17:35,253 IT GOT TO BE DONE. >> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO 439 00:17:35,255 --> 00:17:37,088 >> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GUN CONTROL 440 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:40,258 PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GUN CONTROL SUGGESTIONS THAT HE JUST ISSUED 441 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:40,625 SUGGESTIONS THAT HE JUST ISSUED RECENTLY? 442 00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:43,428 RECENTLY? >> THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THAT 443 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:48,332 >> THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THAT THAT WE DO NEED TO IMPLEMENT. 444 00:17:48,334 --> 00:17:50,701 THAT WE DO NEED TO IMPLEMENT. I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE 445 00:17:50,703 --> 00:17:51,602 I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS. 446 00:17:51,604 --> 00:17:54,806 BACKGROUND CHECKS. I THINK THE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST 447 00:17:54,808 --> 00:17:56,841 I THINK THE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN TECHNOLOGICAL ONES. 448 00:17:56,843 --> 00:17:59,343 HAVE BEEN TECHNOLOGICAL ONES. YOU NEED THE MAKE SURE THAT 449 00:17:59,345 --> 00:18:02,613 YOU NEED THE MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ACCESS IN A TIMELY 450 00:18:02,615 --> 00:18:02,947 THERE'S ACCESS IN A TIMELY FASHION. 451 00:18:02,949 --> 00:18:04,816 FASHION. THAT HASN'T BEEN POSSIBLE IN 452 00:18:04,818 --> 00:18:08,019 THAT HASN'T BEEN POSSIBLE IN SOME CASES WITH GUN SHOWS AND 453 00:18:08,021 --> 00:18:08,519 SOME CASES WITH GUN SHOWS AND SOME OTHER THINGS. 454 00:18:08,521 --> 00:18:09,821 SOME OTHER THINGS. IF WE CAN CROSS THE 455 00:18:09,823 --> 00:18:13,891 IF WE CAN CROSS THE TECHNOLOGICAL HURDLE, LET'S KEEP 456 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:15,726 TECHNOLOGICAL HURDLE, LET'S KEEP IN MIND, THAT IS WHERE WE CAN 457 00:18:15,728 --> 00:18:17,295 IN MIND, THAT IS WHERE WE CAN MAKE SOME REAL PROGRESS. 458 00:18:17,297 --> 00:18:20,565 MAKE SOME REAL PROGRESS. THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES, AN 459 00:18:20,567 --> 00:18:25,269 THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES, AN ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND OTHER 460 00:18:25,271 --> 00:18:27,305 ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE MORE COSMETIC, 461 00:18:27,307 --> 00:18:29,207 THINGS THAT ARE MORE COSMETIC, IF YOU WILL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 462 00:18:29,209 --> 00:18:30,575 IF YOU WILL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ASSAULT WEAPONS THAT ARE 463 00:18:30,577 --> 00:18:32,009 THE ASSAULT WEAPONS THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT. 464 00:18:32,011 --> 00:18:35,813 BEING TALKED ABOUT. I THINK THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN 465 00:18:35,815 --> 00:18:40,284 I THINK THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN LESS THAN 1/2 OF 1% FOR ALL OF 466 00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:42,019 LESS THAN 1/2 OF 1% FOR ALL OF GUN VIOLENCE, SO I THINK THE 467 00:18:42,021 --> 00:18:43,955 GUN VIOLENCE, SO I THINK THE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO ARE 468 00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:45,189 MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO ARE LOOKING AT BACK GROUND CHECKS 469 00:18:45,191 --> 00:18:46,858 LOOKING AT BACK GROUND CHECKS AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WHO 470 00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:49,260 AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WHO HAVE WEAPONS HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT 471 00:18:49,262 --> 00:18:50,695 HAVE WEAPONS HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO HAVE THEM AND SHOULD HAVE 472 00:18:50,697 --> 00:18:50,995 TO HAVE THEM AND SHOULD HAVE THEM. 473 00:18:50,997 --> 00:18:53,564 THEM. >> ANY WEAPON, ASSAULT WEAPONS, 474 00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:54,799 >> ANY WEAPON, ASSAULT WEAPONS, EXTENDED MAG DEEPS? 475 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:57,568 EXTENDED MAG DEEPS? >> WELL,LIKE I SAID, WE'LL DEAL 476 00:18:57,570 --> 00:18:58,336 >> WELL,LIKE I SAID, WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT. 477 00:18:58,338 --> 00:19:00,404 WITH THAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REALITIES 478 00:19:00,406 --> 00:19:02,240 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REALITIES IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE, I 479 00:19:02,242 --> 00:19:04,942 IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE, I THINK YOU HAVE HAD HARRY REID 480 00:19:04,944 --> 00:19:07,345 THINK YOU HAVE HAD HARRY REID AND AL FRANKEN COME OUT IN THE 481 00:19:07,347 --> 00:19:09,247 AND AL FRANKEN COME OUT IN THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS SAYING THEY 482 00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:10,615 LAST SEVERAL DAYS SAYING THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT BUT THAT WILL 483 00:19:10,617 --> 00:19:12,416 DON'T BELIEVE IT BUT THAT WILL MOVE THROUGH THE SENATE. 484 00:19:12,418 --> 00:19:13,918 MOVE THROUGH THE SENATE. IF YOU HAVE PROBABLE DEMOCRATS 485 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,820 IF YOU HAVE PROBABLE DEMOCRATS LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT 486 00:19:15,822 --> 00:19:18,623 LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT WILL B REALLY BE ON THE TABLE. 487 00:19:18,625 --> 00:19:22,527 WILL B REALLY BE ON THE TABLE. BUT FLOOR SOME MEASURES THAT WE 488 00:19:22,529 --> 00:19:23,327 BUT FLOOR SOME MEASURES THAT WE CAN TAKE. 489 00:19:23,329 --> 00:19:25,830 CAN TAKE. >> IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT 80% OF 490 00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:29,767 >> IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT 80% OF AMERICANS GROW WITH BACKGROUND 491 00:19:29,769 --> 00:19:39,210 AMERICANS GROW WITH BACKGROUND CHECKS WITH ALL GUN SALES. 492 00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:40,945 CHECKS WITH ALL GUN SALES. A LOT OF GUN SHOWS TAKE LAYS ON 493 00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:41,612 A LOT OF GUN SHOWS TAKE LAYS ON THE WEEKEND. 494 00:19:41,614 --> 00:19:44,015 THE WEEKEND. DO WE HAVE THE MANPOWER AND 495 00:19:44,017 --> 00:19:44,916 DO WE HAVE THE MANPOWER AND RESOURCES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL 496 00:19:44,918 --> 00:19:46,717 RESOURCES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT 497 00:19:46,719 --> 00:19:49,921 IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED AND LEGAL 498 00:19:49,923 --> 00:19:52,056 PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED AND LEGAL CAN WE DO THAT AND STILL GIVE 499 00:19:52,058 --> 00:19:53,758 CAN WE DO THAT AND STILL GIVE PEOPLE TIMELY ACCESS TO GUNS 500 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,527 PEOPLE TIMELY ACCESS TO GUNS THAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED FOR 501 00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:56,994 THAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED FOR PROTECTION? 502 00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:59,163 PROTECTION? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DELVE 503 00:19:59,165 --> 00:20:01,299 THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DELVE INTO AND LOOK AT. 504 00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:03,534 INTO AND LOOK AT. I THINK ALL OF US WHO ARGUE THAT 505 00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:07,672 I THINK ALL OF US WHO ARGUE THAT THE BEST PROGRESS THAT CAN BE 506 00:20:07,674 --> 00:20:09,307 THE BEST PROGRESS THAT CAN BE MADE WITH GUN VIOLENCE IS TO 507 00:20:09,309 --> 00:20:10,675 MADE WITH GUN VIOLENCE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT CRIMINALS DON'T 508 00:20:10,677 --> 00:20:11,509 MAKE SURE THAT CRIMINALS DON'T HAVE GUNS AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS 509 00:20:11,511 --> 00:20:13,711 HAVE GUNS AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS. 510 00:20:13,713 --> 00:20:16,581 TO GUNS. THEN THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT. 511 00:20:16,583 --> 00:20:19,650 THEN THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT. >> FINALLY TONIGHT, FLAKE SPOKE 512 00:20:19,652 --> 00:20:21,285 >> FINALLY TONIGHT, FLAKE SPOKE ABOUT HIS NEW ROLE AS A SENATOR 513 00:20:21,287 --> 00:20:23,955 ABOUT HIS NEW ROLE AS A SENATOR AFTER HIS 12 YEARS REPRESENTING 514 00:20:23,957 --> 00:20:26,557 AFTER HIS 12 YEARS REPRESENTING A SUBURBAN PHOENIX DISTRICT IN 515 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,126 A SUBURBAN PHOENIX DISTRICT IN THE U.P.S. HOUSE OF 516 00:20:29,128 --> 00:20:29,594 THE U.P.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. 517 00:20:29,596 --> 00:20:30,928 REPRESENTATIVES. TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 518 00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:33,731 TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE. 519 00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:35,666 THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE. YOU'RE JUST MOVING FROM THE 520 00:20:35,668 --> 00:20:37,735 YOU'RE JUST MOVING FROM THE HOUSE INTO THE SENATE. 521 00:20:37,737 --> 00:20:40,438 HOUSE INTO THE SENATE. IS THERE A GREAT DEAL OF 522 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,006 IS THERE A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFERENCES? 523 00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:46,077 DIFFERENCES? >> THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DIVIDE 524 00:20:46,079 --> 00:20:51,515 >> THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DIVIDE ON BOTH SUDS OF THE ROTUNDA. 525 00:20:51,517 --> 00:20:59,390 ON BOTH SUDS OF THE ROTUNDA. SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE WHILE TO 526 00:20:59,392 --> 00:21:00,992 SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE WHILE TO GET USED TO IT. 527 00:21:00,994 --> 00:21:04,128 GET USED TO IT. I REALIZE THAT WHY IT'S A 528 00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:06,230 I REALIZE THAT WHY IT'S A SIX-YEAR TERM IN THE SENATE, IT 529 00:21:06,232 --> 00:21:08,065 SIX-YEAR TERM IN THE SENATE, IT TAKES ABOUT THAT LONG TO GET 530 00:21:08,067 --> 00:21:09,800 TAKES ABOUT THAT LONG TO GET YOUR OFFICE. 531 00:21:09,802 --> 00:21:11,669 YOUR OFFICE. FRANKLY FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME 532 00:21:11,671 --> 00:21:15,506 FRANKLY FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME WITH MY LEANINGS AND MY 533 00:21:15,508 --> 00:21:17,408 WITH MY LEANINGS AND MY PHILOSOPHY, I THINK IT'S A MORE 534 00:21:17,410 --> 00:21:18,142 PHILOSOPHY, I THINK IT'S A MORE COMFORTABLE PLACE TO BE BECAUSE 535 00:21:18,144 --> 00:21:21,412 COMFORTABLE PLACE TO BE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR MORE INDEPENDENCE. 536 00:21:21,414 --> 00:21:27,752 IT ALLOWS FOR MORE INDEPENDENCE. YOU -- IN THE HOUSE, THE RULES 537 00:21:27,754 --> 00:21:32,857 YOU -- IN THE HOUSE, THE RULES ARE REALLY SET UP TO PROTECT THE 538 00:21:32,859 --> 00:21:35,559 ARE REALLY SET UP TO PROTECT THE MAJORITY AND THE SENATE IS SET 539 00:21:35,561 --> 00:21:38,863 MAJORITY AND THE SENATE IS SET UP TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL. 540 00:21:38,865 --> 00:21:42,466 UP TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL. >> WHAT DIFFERENCES WILL THERE 541 00:21:42,468 --> 00:21:42,733 >> WHAT DIFFERENCES WILL THERE BE. 542 00:21:42,735 --> 00:21:43,567 BE. >> CURRENTLY WE'RE IN THE 543 00:21:43,569 --> 00:21:45,670 >> CURRENTLY WE'RE IN THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND GOING 544 00:21:45,672 --> 00:21:47,405 MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND GOING INTO A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL 545 00:21:47,407 --> 00:21:48,372 INTO A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL MINORITY IN THE SENATE. 546 00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:50,908 MINORITY IN THE SENATE. BUT THE WAY THE SENATE RULES ARE 547 00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:53,144 BUT THE WAY THE SENATE RULES ARE SET UP, SOMEBODY IN THE MINORITY 548 00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:55,212 SET UP, SOMEBODY IN THE MINORITY CAN HAVE PROBABLY A LOT MORE 549 00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:57,148 CAN HAVE PROBABLY A LOT MORE LEVERAGE THAN YOU CAN IN THE 550 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:57,715 LEVERAGE THAN YOU CAN IN THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE. 551 00:21:57,717 --> 00:21:59,350 MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE. I'M SORRY IN THE SENATE. 552 00:21:59,352 --> 00:22:02,687 I'M SORRY IN THE SENATE. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. 553 00:22:02,689 --> 00:22:04,055 SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT 554 00:22:04,057 --> 00:22:05,890 THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE SENATE WILL CHANGE 555 00:22:05,892 --> 00:22:09,627 WHETHER THE SENATE WILL CHANGE THE RULES, HOLD A SO-CALLED 556 00:22:09,629 --> 00:22:10,995 THE RULES, HOLD A SO-CALLED NUCLEAR OPTION WHICH WOULD 557 00:22:10,997 --> 00:22:12,596 NUCLEAR OPTION WHICH WOULD BASICALLY GET RID OF THE 558 00:22:12,598 --> 00:22:14,632 BASICALLY GET RID OF THE FILIBUSTER ON A MOTION TO 559 00:22:14,634 --> 00:22:16,767 FILIBUSTER ON A MOTION TO PROCEED TO A BILL, I REALLY HOPE 560 00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:18,069 PROCEED TO A BILL, I REALLY HOPE THAT THEY DON'T DO THAT. 561 00:22:18,071 --> 00:22:21,005 THAT THEY DON'T DO THAT. WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE TRYING TO 562 00:22:21,007 --> 00:22:23,741 WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR A FEW YEARS 563 00:22:23,743 --> 00:22:27,645 DO SOMETHING SIMILAR A FEW YEARS AGO, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN AWFUL 564 00:22:27,647 --> 00:22:27,945 AGO, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN AWFUL IDEA. 565 00:22:27,947 --> 00:22:28,879 IDEA. I THINK IT'S AWFUL IDEA FOR THE 566 00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:30,514 I THINK IT'S AWFUL IDEA FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO DO IT NOW. 567 00:22:30,516 --> 00:22:33,651 DEMOCRATS TO DO IT NOW. THIS IS AN INSTITUTION THAT HAS 568 00:22:33,653 --> 00:22:35,286 THIS IS AN INSTITUTION THAT HAS RULES THAT DATE BACK TO THE 569 00:22:35,288 --> 00:22:36,220 RULES THAT DATE BACK TO THE GOWNEDING. 570 00:22:36,222 --> 00:22:38,689 GOWNEDING. AND WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE THOSE 571 00:22:38,691 --> 00:22:39,757 AND WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE THOSE RULES LIKE THAT. 572 00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:42,426 RULES LIKE THAT. >> THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER 573 00:22:42,428 --> 00:22:44,528 >> THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER LAWS THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SEEM 574 00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:47,231 LAWS THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SEEM ARCAIN OR EVEN ARCHAIC. 575 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:50,968 ARCAIN OR EVEN ARCHAIC. THE SECRET HOLD ON APPOINTMENTS, 576 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:57,341 THE SECRET HOLD ON APPOINTMENTS, SENATOR IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT. 577 00:22:57,343 --> 00:23:01,078 SENATOR IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT. AND THE SEN YORT SYSTEM THAT 578 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,179 AND THE SEN YORT SYSTEM THAT CERTAINLY DON'T WORK IN YOUR 579 00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:03,714 CERTAINLY DON'T WORK IN YOUR FAVRE NOW. 580 00:23:03,716 --> 00:23:10,287 FAVRE NOW. >> THERE'S -- I THINK THAT THE 581 00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:12,857 >> THERE'S -- I THINK THAT THE SECRET HOLD IS OFTEN ABUSED BY 582 00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:13,624 SECRET HOLD IS OFTEN ABUSED BY BOTH PARTIES. 583 00:23:13,626 --> 00:23:16,627 BOTH PARTIES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF I 584 00:23:16,629 --> 00:23:19,830 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF I HAVE A LAR CONCERN -- A WHOLE 585 00:23:19,832 --> 00:23:21,899 HAVE A LAR CONCERN -- A WHOLE POLICY ISSUE, I'LL LET I BE 586 00:23:21,901 --> 00:23:22,199 POLICY ISSUE, I'LL LET I BE DONE. 587 00:23:22,201 --> 00:23:23,968 DONE. I INTEND TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC. 588 00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:26,771 I INTEND TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC. SO I THINK THAT IT CAN BE 589 00:23:26,773 --> 00:23:31,075 SO I THINK THAT IT CAN BE ABUSED, HAS BEEN ABUSED. 590 00:23:31,077 --> 00:23:33,944 ABUSED, HAS BEEN ABUSED. SO THESE KIND OF RULES THAT 591 00:23:33,946 --> 00:23:35,112 SO THESE KIND OF RULES THAT ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE 592 00:23:35,114 --> 00:23:35,813 ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE PERHAPS MORE POWER OR ON THE 593 00:23:35,815 --> 00:23:43,020 PERHAPS MORE POWER OR ON THE WHOLE GOOD. 594 00:23:43,022 --> 00:23:45,489 WHOLE GOOD. >> THIS -- THAT FOLLOWS ABOUT 595 00:23:45,491 --> 00:23:47,825 >> THIS -- THAT FOLLOWS ABOUT TEN YEARS OF HOUSE ON THE 596 00:23:47,827 --> 00:23:51,028 TEN YEARS OF HOUSE ON THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. 597 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:54,899 FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. ALSO THE ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT 598 00:23:54,901 --> 00:23:55,433 ALSO THE ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT C 599 00:23:55,435 --> 00:23:57,835 C COMMITTEES OUR PUBLIC WORKS, 600 00:23:57,837 --> 00:23:59,970 COMMITTEES OUR PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC LAND USE IS OBVIOUSLY 601 00:23:59,972 --> 00:24:01,238 PUBLIC LAND USE IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT TO ARIZONA. 602 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,207 VERY IMPORTANT TO ARIZONA. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE 603 00:24:03,209 --> 00:24:04,975 AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A SAY ON ENERGY POWER 604 00:24:04,977 --> 00:24:06,610 A SAY ON ENERGY POWER GENERATION, MINERAL EXTRACTION, 605 00:24:06,612 --> 00:24:07,878 GENERATION, MINERAL EXTRACTION, THESE KINDS OF THINGS. 606 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,746 THESE KINDS OF THINGS. SO THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE GOOD 607 00:24:08,748 --> 00:24:09,580 SO THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE GOOD FOR THAT. 608 00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:12,183 FOR THAT. I'LL ALSO SIT ON THE JUDICIARY 609 00:24:12,185 --> 00:24:13,751 I'LL ALSO SIT ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE 610 00:24:13,753 --> 00:24:16,487 COMMITTEE, AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE SENATE, I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY 611 00:24:16,489 --> 00:24:19,356 SENATE, I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE ADVISE AND CONSENT ON 612 00:24:19,358 --> 00:24:21,058 TO PROVIDE ADVISE AND CONSENT ON MOM KNEES. 613 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:24,695 MOM KNEES. AND THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 614 00:24:24,697 --> 00:24:26,063 AND THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. OBVIOUSLY NOMINATION MOVES 615 00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:27,998 OBVIOUSLY NOMINATION MOVES THROUGH THE ELECTION ISSUES. 616 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,400 THROUGH THE ELECTION ISSUES. SO WE'RE DOING TO BE BUSY. 617 00:24:29,402 --> 00:24:33,871 SO WE'RE DOING TO BE BUSY. >> WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU SEE 618 00:24:33,873 --> 00:24:36,674 >> WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU SEE AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA IN THE 619 00:24:36,676 --> 00:24:38,008 AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA IN THE WORK OF THOSE CITIES? 620 00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:40,678 WORK OF THOSE CITIES? >> WITH REGARD TO FOREIGN 621 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,214 >> WITH REGARD TO FOREIGN AFFAIRS, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF 622 00:24:43,216 --> 00:24:47,751 AFFAIRS, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF FREE TRADE, I HOPE WE CAN ENTER 623 00:24:47,753 --> 00:24:50,654 FREE TRADE, I HOPE WE CAN ENTER INTO SOME FREE TRADE TREATMENT, 624 00:24:50,656 --> 00:24:52,423 INTO SOME FREE TRADE TREATMENT, I THINK WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN 625 00:24:52,425 --> 00:24:54,325 I THINK WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN POLICY WORK IN AFGHANISTAN, I 626 00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:56,460 POLICY WORK IN AFGHANISTAN, I JUST RETURNED FROM AFGHANISTAN, 627 00:24:56,462 --> 00:24:57,495 JUST RETURNED FROM AFGHANISTAN, THE MIDDLE EAST AS WELL. 628 00:24:57,497 --> 00:24:59,697 THE MIDDLE EAST AS WELL. I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS IN 629 00:24:59,699 --> 00:25:01,632 I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS IN AFRICA, I EXPECT TO BE ON THE 630 00:25:01,634 --> 00:25:02,633 AFRICA, I EXPECT TO BE ON THE AFRICA SUBCOMMITTEE THERE. 631 00:25:02,635 --> 00:25:04,201 AFRICA SUBCOMMITTEE THERE. AND OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS ARE 632 00:25:04,203 --> 00:25:05,903 AND OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN NORTH AFRICA RIGHT 633 00:25:05,905 --> 00:25:07,037 HAPPENING IN NORTH AFRICA RIGHT NOW THAT ARE A BIT DANGEROUS. 634 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,907 NOW THAT ARE A BIT DANGEROUS. SO THERE'S ALWAYS A FULL PLATE 635 00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:12,443 SO THERE'S ALWAYS A FULL PLATE ON THE FOREIGN POLICY SIDE. 636 00:25:12,445 --> 00:25:14,311 ON THE FOREIGN POLICY SIDE. WITH REGARD TO SWRU DISH AREA, I 637 00:25:14,313 --> 00:25:16,313 WITH REGARD TO SWRU DISH AREA, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED OBVIOUSLY 638 00:25:16,315 --> 00:25:18,249 HAVE BEEN INVOLVED OBVIOUSLY INNISM GRAGS REFORM IN ALL MY 639 00:25:18,251 --> 00:25:20,518 INNISM GRAGS REFORM IN ALL MY TIME AT THE HOUSE AND I INTEND 640 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,020 TIME AT THE HOUSE AND I INTEND TO CONTINUE THAT INTO THE SENATE 641 00:25:23,022 --> 00:25:25,322 TO CONTINUE THAT INTO THE SENATE AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PRESIDENT 642 00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:27,391 AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PRESIDENT SAYING HE'S WILLING AND READY TO 643 00:25:27,393 --> 00:25:28,926 SAYING HE'S WILLING AND READY TO MOVE AHEAD, I HOPE THAT HE IS 644 00:25:28,928 --> 00:25:30,394 MOVE AHEAD, I HOPE THAT HE IS AND I HOPE THE HOUSE AND THE 645 00:25:30,396 --> 00:25:31,428 AND I HOPE THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE ARE AS WELL. 646 00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:34,064 SENATE ARE AS WELL. >> TELL US WHAT ADVICE YOU GOT 647 00:25:34,066 --> 00:25:36,934 >> TELL US WHAT ADVICE YOU GOT FROM YOUR PREDECESSOR JOHN KYLE? 648 00:25:36,936 --> 00:25:41,138 FROM YOUR PREDECESSOR JOHN KYLE? >> HE SAYS REMEMBER WHO ELECTED 649 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:43,908 >> HE SAYS REMEMBER WHO ELECTED YOU AND REMEMBER TO GET AROUND, 650 00:25:43,910 --> 00:25:46,377 YOU AND REMEMBER TO GET AROUND, JOHN KYLE DID SO MUCH GOOD WORK 651 00:25:46,379 --> 00:25:50,147 JOHN KYLE DID SO MUCH GOOD WORK ON THE ISSUES THAT MAKE ARIZONA, 652 00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:52,349 ON THE ISSUES THAT MAKE ARIZONA, ARIZONA, WE'RE ABOUT 845% 653 00:25:52,351 --> 00:25:54,485 ARIZONA, WE'RE ABOUT 845% PUBLICLY OWNED AND ALL THE LAND 654 00:25:54,487 --> 00:25:56,954 PUBLICLY OWNED AND ALL THE LAND ISSUES THAT BRING ISSUES LIKE 655 00:25:56,956 --> 00:26:01,892 ISSUES THAT BRING ISSUES LIKE PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY TO THE 656 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:02,826 PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY TO THE SHORE. 657 00:26:02,828 --> 00:26:03,928 SHORE. WATER MANAGEMENT, THAT'S A HEAVY 658 00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:09,166 WATER MANAGEMENT, THAT'S A HEAVY LIFT. 659 00:26:09,168 --> 00:26:11,035 LIFT. AND TO GET AROUND THE STATE AND 660 00:26:11,037 --> 00:26:13,404 AND TO GET AROUND THE STATE AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT 661 00:26:13,406 --> 00:26:15,773 MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND GET A GOOD 662 00:26:15,775 --> 00:26:16,574 YOU'RE DOING AND GET A GOOD STAFF TOGETHER. 663 00:26:16,576 --> 00:26:20,578 STAFF TOGETHER. THAT UNDERSTAND THESE ISSUES AND 664 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:22,246 THAT UNDERSTAND THESE ISSUES AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THAT. 665 00:26:22,248 --> 00:26:28,252 WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THAT. AND I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO 666 00:26:28,254 --> 00:26:29,920 AND I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO FINISHING SOME OF THE 667 00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:31,021 FINISHING SOME OF THE INITIATIVES HE'S BEGUN. 668 00:26:31,023 --> 00:26:33,958 INITIATIVES HE'S BEGUN. >> AND CONSIDERING JOHN McCAIN, 669 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,425 >> AND CONSIDERING JOHN McCAIN, YOUR -- 670 00:26:34,427 --> 00:26:36,293 YOUR -- >> WELL, I TELL YOU, THE LONGER 671 00:26:36,295 --> 00:26:38,529 >> WELL, I TELL YOU, THE LONGER I'M IN WASHINGTON, THE MORE 672 00:26:38,531 --> 00:26:40,130 I'M IN WASHINGTON, THE MORE RESPECT I HAVE FOR SOME OF THE 673 00:26:40,132 --> 00:26:42,066 RESPECT I HAVE FOR SOME OF THE STANTDS THAT JOHN McCAIN HAS 674 00:26:42,068 --> 00:26:43,968 STANTDS THAT JOHN McCAIN HAS TAKEN OVER THE YEARS, 675 00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:46,136 TAKEN OVER THE YEARS, PARTICULARLY ON SPENDING, AND 676 00:26:46,138 --> 00:26:46,470 PARTICULARLY ON SPENDING, AND DEFICIT. 677 00:26:46,472 --> 00:26:48,272 DEFICIT. HE HAS STOOD UP TIME AND TIME 678 00:26:48,274 --> 00:26:48,572 HE HAS STOOD UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 679 00:26:48,574 --> 00:26:50,674 AGAIN. LET ME TELL YOU, IT WEARS ON 680 00:26:50,676 --> 00:26:52,209 LET ME TELL YOU, IT WEARS ON YOU, EITHER IN THE HOUSE OR THE 681 00:26:52,211 --> 00:26:52,543 YOU, EITHER IN THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE. 682 00:26:52,545 --> 00:26:55,980 SENATE. HE'S DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME. 683 00:26:55,982 --> 00:26:59,049 HE'S DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME. HIS ADVICE IS TO TAKE SOME OF 684 00:26:59,051 --> 00:27:00,818 HIS ADVICE IS TO TAKE SOME OF THE POSITIONS WITH REGARD TO 685 00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:02,987 THE POSITIONS WITH REGARD TO HOUSE WITH REGARD TO SPENDING 686 00:27:02,989 --> 00:27:05,189 HOUSE WITH REGARD TO SPENDING AND DEBT AND DEFICIT AND WORK ON 687 00:27:05,191 --> 00:27:06,156 AND DEBT AND DEFICIT AND WORK ON THOSE IN THE SENATE. 688 00:27:06,158 --> 00:27:09,259 THOSE IN THE SENATE. >> MY FULL UNEDITED INTERVIEW 689 00:27:09,261 --> 00:27:14,431 >> MY FULL UNEDITED INTERVIEW WITH SENATOR FLAKE IS ON YOUR 690 00:27:14,433 --> 00:27:18,433 WITH SENATOR FLAKE IS ON YOUR WEBSITE, A.