>>> A NEW YEAR AND A NEW U.S.
SENATOR FOR ARIZONA.
SENATOR FOR ARIZONA.
REPUBLICAN JEFF FLECK.
REPUBLICAN JEFF FLECK.
>> THE RULES ARE SET UP THE
>> THE RULES ARE SET UP THE
MAJORITY AND THE SENATE, THEY'RE
MAJORITY AND THE SENATE, THEY'RE
SET UP TO PROTECT THE
SET UP TO PROTECT THE
INDIVIDUAL.
INDIVIDUAL.
>> FLECK AND HIS COLLEAGUES FACE
>> FLECK AND HIS COLLEAGUES FACE
THE SAME ISSUES THAT BEDEVILLED
THE SAME ISSUES THAT BEDEVILLED
THE LAST LONG.
THE LAST LONG.
INCLUDING IMMIGRATION REFORM.
INCLUDING IMMIGRATION REFORM.
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEPORT
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEPORT
THEM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO
THEM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO
SELF-DEPORT.
SELF-DEPORT.
>> TONIGHT GETTING TO KNOW
>> TONIGHT GETTING TO KNOW
SKBREF FLAKE AND TO GET A CHANCE
SKBREF FLAKE AND TO GET A CHANCE
TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
>>> JEFF FLAKE WAS SWORN IN AS
>>> JEFF FLAKE WAS SWORN IN AS
ARIZONA'S JUNIOR SENATOR THREE
ARIZONA'S JUNIOR SENATOR THREE
WEEKS AGO.
WEEKS AGO.
HE SPOKE WITH US FROM THE HOUSE
HE SPOKE WITH US FROM THE HOUSE
OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE
OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE
ISSUES THAT HE AND HIS
ISSUES THAT HE AND HIS
COLLEAGUES FACE.
COLLEAGUES FACE.
WE'LL START WITH IMGLAIGS.
WE'LL START WITH IMGLAIGS.
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN REGARD
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN REGARD
TO IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THE
TO IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THE
COUNTRY?
COUNTRY?
>> WELL, FOUR BIG THINGS.
>> WELL, FOUR BIG THINGS.
ONE INCREASED MOTOR SECURITY.
ONE INCREASED MOTOR SECURITY.
THE NICE THING IN ARIZONA IS
THE NICE THING IN ARIZONA IS
THAT WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE
THAT WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE
IT WORKS AND KIND OF AN EXAMPLE
IT WORKS AND KIND OF AN EXAMPLE
OF WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AND
OF WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AND
THAT'S THE TUCSON SECTOR.
THAT'S THE TUCSON SECTOR.
WE HAVE 270 MILES OF BORDER.
WE HAVE 270 MILES OF BORDER.
THEN WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A
THEN WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A
ROBUST TEMPORARY WORKER PROGRAM
ROBUST TEMPORARY WORKER PROGRAM
GOING AHEAD.
GOING AHEAD.
THE FUTURE LABOR NEEDS, WE'RE
THE FUTURE LABOR NEEDS, WE'RE
SFOG TO NEED ADDITIONAL LABOR
SFOG TO NEED ADDITIONAL LABOR
AND THAT OUGHT TO BE TAKEN CARE
AND THAT OUGHT TO BE TAKEN CARE
OF WITH A TEMPORARY WORKER PLAN.
OF WITH A TEMPORARY WORKER PLAN.
THIRD, WE NEED INTERIOR
THIRD, WE NEED INTERIOR
ENFORCEMENT, ON THE EMPLOYER
ENFORCEMENT, ON THE EMPLOYER
SIDE, WHETHER IT'S E VERY NI OR
SIDE, WHETHER IT'S E VERY NI OR
SOMETHING ELSE.
SOMETHING ELSE.
FOU, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A
FOU, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A
MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THOSE WHO
MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THOSE WHO
ARE HERE IN THE AREA ELLIELY
ARE HERE IN THE AREA ELLIELY
NOW.
NOW.
THEY'RE GOING TO SELF DEPORT.
THEY'RE GOING TO SELF DEPORT.
WE NEED A REASONABLE,
WE NEED A REASONABLE,
RESPONSIBLE MECHANISM FOR THEM
RESPONSIBLE MECHANISM FOR THEM
TO DO IT.
TO DO IT.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE
I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE
AMNESTY, IT SHOULDN'T.
AMNESTY, IT SHOULDN'T.
BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT
BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT
THOSE THAT ARE HERE ARE NOT
THOSE THAT ARE HERE ARE NOT
GOING TO SELF-DEPORT.
GOING TO SELF-DEPORT.
>> WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE BE
>> WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE BE
DONE ABOUT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE?
DONE ABOUT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE?
>> I THINK THE BEST FRAME WORK
>> I THINK THE BEST FRAME WORK
SO FAR IS THE TRY VAC, THAT SAYS
SO FAR IS THE TRY VAC, THAT SAYS
IF YOU AIR HERE ILL LEGALLY AND
IF YOU AIR HERE ILL LEGALLY AND
YOU WISH TO STAY IN A TEMPORARY
YOU WISH TO STAY IN A TEMPORARY
WORKER STATUS, YOU LEARN
WORKER STATUS, YOU LEARN
ENGLISH, YOU PAY BACK TAXES, YOU
ENGLISH, YOU PAY BACK TAXES, YOU
JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS,
JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS,
ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY CRIMINAL
ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY CRIMINAL
RECORD WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO
RECORD WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO
ENTER THIS PROGRAM.
ENTER THIS PROGRAM.
BUT IF THEY WISH LATER, TO
BUT IF THEY WISH LATER, TO
ADJUST THEIR STATUS AND PERHAPS
ADJUST THEIR STATUS AND PERHAPS
GO TOWARD CITIZENSHIP, THEY
GO TOWARD CITIZENSHIP, THEY
WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL
WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL
EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THE LINE
EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THE LINE
GOING THROUGH THE LEGAL ORDERLY
GOING THROUGH THE LEGAL ORDERLY
PROCESS, THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT
PROCESS, THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT
THROUGH IT.
THROUGH IT.
THAT TO ME IS WHAT DEFINED
THAT TO ME IS WHAT DEFINED
AMNESTY, THOSE WHO CUT IN THE
AMNESTY, THOSE WHO CUT IN THE
LINE AHEAD OF THOSE WHO ARE
LINE AHEAD OF THOSE WHO ARE
LEGALLY GOING THROUGH THE
LEGALLY GOING THROUGH THE
PROSETZ.
PROSETZ.
>> YOU SAID THAT THE 34RI8
>> YOU SAID THAT THE 34RI8
REALITY IN IMMIGRATION REFORM
REALITY IN IMMIGRATION REFORM
WAS THAT BORDER SECURITY HAD TO
WAS THAT BORDER SECURITY HAD TO
COME FIRST.
COME FIRST.
DO WE HAVE A NEW POLITICAL
DO WE HAVE A NEW POLITICAL
REALITY NOW BASED ON THE NEW
REALITY NOW BASED ON THE NEW
POLITICAL OUTCOME.
POLITICAL OUTCOME.
>> I THINK REPUBLICANS,
>> I THINK REPUBLICANS,
DEMOCRATS, EVERYBODY, REALIZES
DEMOCRATS, EVERYBODY, REALIZES
THAT WHICH KNEED TO DEAL WITH
THAT WHICH KNEED TO DEAL WITH
THIS, BOTH FOR SUBSTANTIVE AND
THIS, BOTH FOR SUBSTANTIVE AND
POLITICAL REASONS.
POLITICAL REASONS.
ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE I THINK
ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE I THINK
THERE IT'S A REAL REASON THAT WE
THERE IT'S A REAL REASON THAT WE
CAN'T TAKE THE EGG POSITION THAT
CAN'T TAKE THE EGG POSITION THAT
WE HAVE TAKEN IN THE PAST.
WE HAVE TAKEN IN THE PAST.
BOARDER SECURITY NEEDS TO BE
BOARDER SECURITY NEEDS TO BE
PARAMOUNT, I THINK THAT IT WILL
PARAMOUNT, I THINK THAT IT WILL
BE, IT HAS TO BE IN ANY SOLUTION
BE, IT HAS TO BE IN ANY SOLUTION
HERE.
HERE.
IN ORDER TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME
IN ORDER TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME
OF THE ITEMS I TALKED ABOUT IN
OF THE ITEMS I TALKED ABOUT IN
TERMS OF DEALING WITH THOSE WHO
TERMS OF DEALING WITH THOSE WHO
ARE HERE EMOTIONALLY.
ARE HERE EMOTIONALLY.
THE BORDER IS CHANGED OVER THE
THE BORDER IS CHANGED OVER THE
LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF
AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF
THOSE WHO HOLD PROPERTY NEAR AND
THOSE WHO HOLD PROPERTY NEAR AND
ON THE BORDER, THAT HAS TO BE
ON THE BORDER, THAT HAS TO BE
TAKEN INTO CONTRACT.
TAKEN INTO CONTRACT.
I THINK WE CAN DO ALL THAT AND
I THINK WE CAN DO ALL THAT AND
THE FACT THAT WE HA--?
THE FACT THAT WE HA--?
HOW CAN THEY GET FROM ENFRENCHED
HOW CAN THEY GET FROM ENFRENCHED
POSITIONS TO SOLUTIONS?
POSITIONS TO SOLUTIONS?
I SPOKE WITH JUDITH GANS.
I SPOKE WITH JUDITH GANS.
THANKTS SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH
THANKTS SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH
ME.
ME.
FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE,
FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE,
RATHER THAN A POLITICAL
RATHER THAN A POLITICAL
PERSPECTIVE, WHAT NEEDS TO
PERSPECTIVE, WHAT NEEDS TO
HAPPEN TO GET UP TO IMMIGRATION
HAPPEN TO GET UP TO IMMIGRATION
REFORM?
REFORM?
>> THE BIGGEST THING THAT NEEDS
>> THE BIGGEST THING THAT NEEDS
HAPPEN IS TO BRING THE LEGAL --
HAPPEN IS TO BRING THE LEGAL --
OTHER CURRENT SYSTEM WAS PUT IN
OTHER CURRENT SYSTEM WAS PUT IN
PLAITS IN THE MID 1960s AND IT'S
PLAITS IN THE MID 1960s AND IT'S
FUNDAMENTALLY OUT OF ALIGNMENT
FUNDAMENTALLY OUT OF ALIGNMENT
WITH THE CURRENT U.S. ECONOMY.
WITH THE CURRENT U.S. ECONOMY.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT
THOSE.
THOSE.
ONE AT A TIME.
ONE AT A TIME.
THE FIRST ONE IS, BORDER
THE FIRST ONE IS, BORDER
SECURITY, WHICH OF COURSE A LOT
SECURITY, WHICH OF COURSE A LOT
OF PEOPLE SAY HAS TO COME FIRST.
OF PEOPLE SAY HAS TO COME FIRST.
>>> THAT'S A DILEMMA, BECAUSE
>>> THAT'S A DILEMMA, BECAUSE
IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT MIME
IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT MIME
ARE WORRIED ABOUT ILLEGAL
ARE WORRIED ABOUT ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATIONS.
IMMIGRATIONS.
BUT ILLEGAL IM ---RIGHT NOW THE
BUT ILLEGAL IM ---RIGHT NOW THE
ECONOMIC SEGMENT -- THE
ECONOMIC SEGMENT -- THE
OVERWHELMING THE LEGAL
OVERWHELMING THE LEGAL
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
SO IT ACTUALLY DIFFICULT TO
SO IT ACTUALLY DIFFICULT TO
SECURE THE BORDER WHEN THEREA
SECURE THE BORDER WHEN THEREA
THAT BIG OF -- ILLEGAL
THAT BIG OF -- ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION IS A SYMPTOM OF THE
IMMIGRATION IS A SYMPTOM OF THE
PROBLEM, AND IT IS A PROBLEM,
PROBLEM, AND IT IS A PROBLEM,
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THIS MISMATCH
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THIS MISMATCH
OF LEGAL CHANNELS.
OF LEGAL CHANNELS.
WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT GOETHE
WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT GOETHE
IN SERVICE SECTOR JOBS.
IN SERVICE SECTOR JOBS.
MOST OF THE -- WHEN WE TALK
MOST OF THE -- WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT LOW CELL, WE TALK ABOUT
ABOUT LOW CELL, WE TALK ABOUT
TIPLY LOW BASEMENT -- THEY'RE
TIPLY LOW BASEMENT -- THEY'RE
FROM A TIME WHEN GRADUATING FROM
FROM A TIME WHEN GRADUATING FROM
HIGH SCHOOL IS A BIG DEAL AND
HIGH SCHOOL IS A BIG DEAL AND
YOUNG IMMIGRANT WORKERS HAVE
YOUNG IMMIGRANT WORKERS HAVE
BEEN COMING IN ILLEGALLY BECAUSE
BEEN COMING IN ILLEGALLY BECAUSE
THE LEGAL CHANNEL IS STUDYING
THE LEGAL CHANNEL IS STUDYING
HOW TO FILL IN THE GAPS IN THE
HOW TO FILL IN THE GAPS IN THE
ECONOMY "WHAT LOOKS BEST FROM A
ECONOMY "WHAT LOOKS BEST FROM A
POLICY PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES
POLICY PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES
TO THAT?
TO THAT?
>> THE MAIN THING THAT'S
>> THE MAIN THING THAT'S
IMPORTANT IS FOR CONGRESS TO
IMPORTANT IS FOR CONGRESS TO
CREATE FLEX LT IN THE SYSTEM.
CREATE FLEX LT IN THE SYSTEM.
RIGHT NOW THE SYSTEM IS, WE DO
RIGHT NOW THE SYSTEM IS, WE DO
HAVE GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS.
HAVE GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS.
THERE ARE AGRICULTURAL VISAS FOR
THERE ARE AGRICULTURAL VISAS FOR
PEOPLE TO WORK IN HOTEL, SKI
PEOPLE TO WORK IN HOTEL, SKI
RESORTS, THAT SORT OF THING.
RESORTS, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT CONGRESS NEEDS TO CREATE
BUT CONGRESS NEEDS TO CREATE
EXPANDED GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS
EXPANDED GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS
THAT ARE FLEXIBLE THAT CAN
THAT ARE FLEXIBLE THAT CAN
CHANGE WITH THE ECONOMY.
CHANGE WITH THE ECONOMY.
>> AND IS THERE A NEED FOR A
>> AND IS THERE A NEED FOR A
PERMANENT WORKER PROGRAM OF
PERMANENT WORKER PROGRAM OF
FOREIGNERS AT THE LOW SKILL
FOREIGNERS AT THE LOW SKILL
LEVEL?
LEVEL?
>> I THINK THAT'S LESS STRAIGHT
>> I THINK THAT'S LESS STRAIGHT
FORWARD.
FORWARD.
I THINK AS A PUBLIC POLICY
I THINK AS A PUBLIC POLICY
QUESTION, ANY TIME YOU CREATE A
QUESTION, ANY TIME YOU CREATE A
DISTINCTION BETWEEN WORKERS AND
DISTINCTION BETWEEN WORKERS AND
STEPS, THAT CREATES PROBLEMS IN
STEPS, THAT CREATES PROBLEMS IN
THE LONG RUN.
THE LONG RUN.
WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE
WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE
TO LEARN ENGLISH, TO BECOME PART
TO LEARN ENGLISH, TO BECOME PART
OF OUR SOCIETY, BUT IF WE'RE
OF OUR SOCIETY, BUT IF WE'RE
REALLY SAYING, NO, WE REALLY
REALLY SAYING, NO, WE REALLY
WOOCHBT YOU TO WORK AND BY THE
WOOCHBT YOU TO WORK AND BY THE
WAY, LEAVE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH
WAY, LEAVE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH
YOU, THAT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD
YOU, THAT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD
BALANCE.
BALANCE.
CREATE MORE PERMANENT LEGAL
CREATE MORE PERMANENT LEGAL
CHANNELS SOA PEOPLE CAN COME AND
CHANNELS SOA PEOPLE CAN COME AND
JOIN OUR SOCIETY AND BECOME
JOIN OUR SOCIETY AND BECOME
FULL-FLEDGED MEMBERS OF IT.
FULL-FLEDGED MEMBERS OF IT.
>> AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE IN
>> AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE IN
RELATION TO THE AYE SKILLED
RELATION TO THE AYE SKILLED
PROGRAMS.
PROGRAMS.
THESE PROGRAMS HAVE STRICT
THESE PROGRAMS HAVE STRICT
LIMITS ON THEM AND A LOT OF
LIMITS ON THEM AND A LOT OF
BUSINESSES SAY THEY'RE NOT
BUSINESSES SAY THEY'RE NOT
GETTING ENOUGH OF THOSE WORKER
GETTING ENOUGH OF THOSE WORKER
INTO THE COUNTRY.
INTO THE COUNTRY.
>>> AGAIN FOR FLEXIBILITY AND
>>> AGAIN FOR FLEXIBILITY AND
THE NUMBER TO BE FLEXIBILITY.
THE NUMBER TO BE FLEXIBILITY.
>> THE REAL CRITICISMS OF OUR
>> THE REAL CRITICISMS OF OUR
CURRENT SYSTEM, IS WE'RE
CURRENT SYSTEM, IS WE'RE
EDUCATING A LOT OF HIGH SKILLED
EDUCATING A LOT OF HIGH SKILLED
FOREIGN STUDENTS IN OUR
FOREIGN STUDENTS IN OUR
UNIVERSITIES.
UNIVERSITIES.
IT'S CURRENTLY FOR THAT
IT'S CURRENTLY FOR THAT
KNOWLEDGE TO STAY HERE IN THE
KNOWLEDGE TO STAY HERE IN THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY.
IF PEOPLE COME IN HERE ON
IF PEOPLE COME IN HERE ON
STUDENT VISAS AND GET ENGINEERS
STUDENT VISAS AND GET ENGINEERS
OR COMMUTER SCIENCE DEGREES, AND
OR COMMUTER SCIENCE DEGREES, AND
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND
EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO STAY AS
EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO STAY AS
PERMANENT WORKERS.
PERMANENT WORKERS.
>> NOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE
>> NOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE
VISA SYSTEM FOR THE FAMILIES OF
VISA SYSTEM FOR THE FAMILIES OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY,
PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY,
WHETHER THEY'RE CITIZENS OR
WHETHER THEY'RE CITIZENS OR
PERMANENT RESIDENTS, FOR FIXES
PERMANENT RESIDENTS, FOR FIXES
NEEDED THERE?
NEEDED THERE?
>> IN 2007 WHEN SENATORS KENNEDY
>> IN 2007 WHEN SENATORS KENNEDY
AND DIAL PROPOSED A SIGNIFICANT
AND DIAL PROPOSED A SIGNIFICANT
CHANGE TO THE IMMIGRATION
CHANGE TO THE IMMIGRATION
SYSTEM, THERE WAS TALK AT THAT
SYSTEM, THERE WAS TALK AT THAT
TIME ABOUT MOVING TO A OPPONENT
TIME ABOUT MOVING TO A OPPONENT
BASIS, WHERE INSTEAD -- IF YOU
BASIS, WHERE INSTEAD -- IF YOU
ARE A U.S. CITIZEN WITH CLOSE
ARE A U.S. CITIZEN WITH CLOSE
RELATIVES WHO ARE FOREIGN
RELATIVES WHO ARE FOREIGN
NATIONALS, IT'S REALLY, REALLY
NATIONALS, IT'S REALLY, REALLY
EASY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO
EASY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO
IMMIGRATE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR
IMMIGRATE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR
MATCH OF, OR THEIR SORT OF SKILL
MATCH OF, OR THEIR SORT OF SKILL
OF WORKERS TO THE U.S. MY.
OF WORKERS TO THE U.S. MY.
THE AT THE TIME IT WAS TO GO TO
THE AT THE TIME IT WAS TO GO TO
A POINT SYSTEM AND THERE WAS
A POINT SYSTEM AND THERE WAS
SOME CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY --
SOME CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY --
DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE
DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE
RIGHTS, SO THERE WAS TALK AT
RIGHTS, SO THERE WAS TALK AT
THAT POINT OF INCLUDING FAMILY
THAT POINT OF INCLUDING FAMILY
RELATIONSHIPS AS ONE OF THE
RELATIONSHIPS AS ONE OF THE
THINGS YOU GET POINTS FOR, BUT
THINGS YOU GET POINTS FOR, BUT
ALL OF THIS IS REALLY UP IN THE
ALL OF THIS IS REALLY UP IN THE
AIR, CONGRESS HAS ALLOWED
AIR, CONGRESS HAS ALLOWED
DIFFERENT WAYS THEY CAN
DIFFERENT WAYS THEY CAN
STRUCTURE THE SYSTEM, BUT IT
STRUCTURE THE SYSTEM, BUT IT
NIDS TO BE STRUCTURED TO BE IN
NIDS TO BE STRUCTURED TO BE IN
ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURRENT
ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURRENT
REALITIES.
REALITIES.
>> WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE
>> WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE
ESTIMATED 11 MILLION PEOPLE IN
ESTIMATED 11 MILLION PEOPLE IN
THE COUNTRY NOW ILLEGALLY?
THE COUNTRY NOW ILLEGALLY?
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEROR
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEROR
WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THERE?
WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THERE?
>> THAT THE QUESTION OF AMNESTY
>> THAT THE QUESTION OF AMNESTY
IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE 2007
IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE 2007
NEGOTIATIONS, AND REALLY WHAT'S
NEGOTIATIONS, AND REALLY WHAT'S
HAPPENING IS A POLITICAL DEBATE
HAPPENING IS A POLITICAL DEBATE
WITHIN THE COUNTRY ABOUT WHAT'S
WITHIN THE COUNTRY ABOUT WHAT'S
THE APPROPRIATE PENALTY FOR
THE APPROPRIATE PENALTY FOR
BEING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
BEING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
ONE SIDE WILL SAY, LOOK, THEY
ONE SIDE WILL SAY, LOOK, THEY
BROKE OUR LAWS, THEY SHOULD BE
BROKE OUR LAWS, THEY SHOULD BE
DEPORTED AND THERE SHOULD BE NO
DEPORTED AND THERE SHOULD BE NO
MERCY.
MERCY.
THAT'S AT BEEN END OF THE
THAT'S AT BEEN END OF THE
SPECTRUM.
SPECTRUM.
>> ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE
>> ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE
EMPLOY KBRERS SAYING, WE TAUGHT
EMPLOY KBRERS SAYING, WE TAUGHT
THEM A SKILL AND THEY'RE MARRIED
THEM A SKILL AND THEY'RE MARRIED
TO U.S. CITIZENS, THEY'RE
TO U.S. CITIZENS, THEY'RE
EMBEDDED IN OUR SOCIETY, LET'S
EMBEDDED IN OUR SOCIETY, LET'S
JUST LET IT GO.
JUST LET IT GO.
SO WE'RE HAVING THIS POLITICAL
SO WE'RE HAVING THIS POLITICAL
DEBATE OVER WHAT THE APPROPRIATE
DEBATE OVER WHAT THE APPROPRIATE
PENALTY SHOULD BE AND ONCE THAT
PENALTY SHOULD BE AND ONCE THAT
I
I
IS -- ONCE THAT SETTLES, I THINK
IS -- ONCE THAT SETTLES, I THINK
WE CAN GO ON TO MAKE THE OTHER
WE CAN GO ON TO MAKE THE OTHER
CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM.
CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM.
BUT SO FAR THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY
BUT SO FAR THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY
LIMITED THE PROIMMIGRATION
LIMITED THE PROIMMIGRATION
SYSTEM.
SYSTEM.
>> AS A LONG-TIME STUDENT OF
>> AS A LONG-TIME STUDENT OF
IMMIGRATION POLICY IN THIS
IMMIGRATION POLICY IN THIS
COUNTRY, WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE NOW
COUNTRY, WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE NOW
THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS BACK ON
THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS BACK ON
THE FRONT BURNER?
THE FRONT BURNER?
>> AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, WHAT
>> AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, WHAT
A DIFFERENCE AN ELECTION MAKES.
A DIFFERENCE AN ELECTION MAKES.
I THINK THE MOST RECENT
I THINK THE MOST RECENT
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THE
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THE
CHANGES NA WE SAW IN THE
CHANGES NA WE SAW IN THE
CONGRESS HAVE REALLY CHANGED THE
CONGRESS HAVE REALLY CHANGED THE
DYNAMICS.
DYNAMICS.
THE ROLE OF HISPANIC VOTERS IN
THE ROLE OF HISPANIC VOTERS IN
THE UNITED STATES, IT'S CLEARLY
THE UNITED STATES, IT'S CLEARLY
COMING TO KNEW WHICH IS IF YOU
COMING TO KNEW WHICH IS IF YOU
WILL.
WILL.
I THINK THERE'S A DYNAMIC THAT
I THINK THERE'S A DYNAMIC THAT
WE CAN'T JUST KEEP DEMONIZING
WE CAN'T JUST KEEP DEMONIZING
OUR IMMIGRANTS FOR THE FACT THAT
OUR IMMIGRANTS FOR THE FACT THAT
OUR -- STEP TO SOLVING THE
OUR -- STEP TO SOLVING THE
PROBLEMS THAT ARE THERE.
PROBLEMS THAT ARE THERE.
>> JEW DUJU DEATH GANZ.
>> JEW DUJU DEATH GANZ.
>> IMMIGRATION ISN'T THE ONLY
>> IMMIGRATION ISN'T THE ONLY
BIG ITEM ON THE SENATOR'S
BIG ITEM ON THE SENATOR'S
AJEOPARDY DACHLT HERE'S MORE OF
AJEOPARDY DACHLT HERE'S MORE OF
MY INTERVIEW WITH JART JEFF
MY INTERVIEW WITH JART JEFF
FLAKE.
FLAKE.
>> ONE OF YOUR LAST ACTIONS AS A
>> ONE OF YOUR LAST ACTIONS AS A
MEMBER OF THE HOUSE WAS THE VOTE
MEMBER OF THE HOUSE WAS THE VOTE
ON THE TERIN RARE, IF WE MAY
ON THE TERIN RARE, IF WE MAY
CALL IT THAT, NIS CALL REPAIR OR
CALL IT THAT, NIS CALL REPAIR OR
HOW EVER WOULD YOU LIKE TO
HOW EVER WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CHARACTERIZE IT, I WOULD URGE
CHARACTERIZE IT, I WOULD URGE
YOU TO DO THAT.
YOU TO DO THAT.
AND YOUR VOTE WAS GEPT THE PACK
AND YOUR VOTE WAS GEPT THE PACK
FAJ THAT CAME THROUGH, COULD YOU
FAJ THAT CAME THROUGH, COULD YOU
EXPLAIN THAT?
EXPLAIN THAT?
>> I NET THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE
>> I NET THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE
SOME SPENDING CUTS AT SOME
SOME SPENDING CUTS AT SOME
POINT, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE
POINT, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE
SEQUEST
SEQUEST
SEQUESTER, I'M NOT FOND OF THE
SEQUESTER, I'M NOT FOND OF THE
BUDGET CONTROL THAT CAME ABOUT A
BUDGET CONTROL THAT CAME ABOUT A
YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE
SEQUESTER, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND
SEQUESTER, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND
OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CUT.
OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CUT.
IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE THAT WE
IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE THAT WE
COULD ADDRESS THE FISCAL CLIFF,
COULD ADDRESS THE FISCAL CLIFF,
THE CLIFF IS THERE BECAUSE OF
THE CLIFF IS THERE BECAUSE OF
OUR MASSIVE DEBTS AND DEFICIT
OUR MASSIVE DEBTS AND DEFICIT
AND ACTUALLY PASS A BILL THAT
AND ACTUALLY PASS A BILL THAT
INCREASES SPENDING AND THEN JUST
INCREASES SPENDING AND THEN JUST
KEEP THE SPENDING CUTS DOWN THE
KEEP THE SPENDING CUTS DOWN THE
ROAD AGAIN.
ROAD AGAIN.
I COULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT.
I COULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT.
>> IT NOT TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD,
>> IT NOT TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD,
BUT IT'S JUST A MO OR MORE THAT
BUT IT'S JUST A MO OR MORE THAT
THE PRESIDENT HAS TO WORK ON
THE PRESIDENT HAS TO WORK ON
THAT.
THAT.
>> WHAT'S THE SOLUTION?
>> WHAT'S THE SOLUTION?
>> THE SOLUTION IS TO CUT
>> THE SOLUTION IS TO CUT
SPENDING.
SPENDING.
THE PRESIDENT HASLEM MADE ITS
THE PRESIDENT HASLEM MADE ITS
CLEAR HE WANTS TO SHAKE THE
CLEAR HE WANTS TO SHAKE THE
REVENUE TREE ONCE AGAIN.
REVENUE TREE ONCE AGAIN.
THAT ONLY GOES SO FAR.
THAT ONLY GOES SO FAR.
WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME TAX
WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME TAX
INCREASES AND I THINK IT'S TIME
INCREASES AND I THINK IT'S TIME
TO CUT SPENDING NOW.
TO CUT SPENDING NOW.
>> LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT THAT
>> LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT THAT
THE SEQUESTER, I STILL PLEN THAT
THE SEQUESTER, I STILL PLEN THAT
IT HITS FAR TOO HARD ON DEFENSE
IT HITS FAR TOO HARD ON DEFENSE
RATHER THAN SOME OTHER AREAS.
RATHER THAN SOME OTHER AREAS.
IN THE HOUSE WE HAVE A GOOD
IN THE HOUSE WE HAVE A GOOD
BLUEPRINT, THE RYAN BUDGET.
BLUEPRINT, THE RYAN BUDGET.
YOU'VE GOT THE SIMPSON BOWLES --
YOU'VE GOT THE SIMPSON BOWLES --
WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN THAT.
WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN THAT.
IT'S I ANYBODY WHO SAYS THAT IN
IT'S I ANYBODY WHO SAYS THAT IN
A $700 BILLION DEFENSE BUDGET,
A $700 BILLION DEFENSE BUDGET,
BUT THERE'S NO ROOM FOR
BUT THERE'S NO ROOM FOR
ADDITIONAL SAVINGS, ISN'T
ADDITIONAL SAVINGS, ISN'T
LOOKING REGARD ENOUGH.
LOOKING REGARD ENOUGH.
HAVING SAID THAT, THE SEQUESTER
HAVING SAID THAT, THE SEQUESTER
GOES FAR TOO FAR, AND WE NEED TO
GOES FAR TOO FAR, AND WE NEED TO
FIND THAT RIGHT APPROACH AND
FIND THAT RIGHT APPROACH AND
TAKE IT.
TAKE IT.
BUT WE HAVE GOT TO CUT EVERY
BUT WE HAVE GOT TO CUT EVERY
AREA, BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU'RE
AREA, BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU'RE
BORROWING 40 CENTS ON EACH
BORROWING 40 CENTS ON EACH
DOLLAR, MORE CUTS NEED TO BE.
DOLLAR, MORE CUTS NEED TO BE.
>> WE ARE THE ENTITLEMENT
>> WE ARE THE ENTITLEMENT
PROGRAM, AND IN PARTICULAR,
PROGRAM, AND IN PARTICULAR,
MEDICARE, AND TO A CERTAIN
MEDICARE, AND TO A CERTAIN
EXTENT MEDICAID, WITH MEDICARE
EXTENT MEDICAID, WITH MEDICARE
WE HAVE GOT TO DO A LOT OF
WE HAVE GOT TO DO A LOT OF
THINGS AND WE OUTLINED SOME OF
THINGS AND WE OUTLINED SOME OF
THOSE IN THE RYAN BUDGET OR THE
THOSE IN THE RYAN BUDGET OR THE
RYAN APPROACH.
RYAN APPROACH.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE
REQUIREMENT AGE FOR SOCIAL
REQUIREMENT AGE FOR SOCIAL
SECURITY AND FOR MEDICARE.
SECURITY AND FOR MEDICARE.
WE HAVE GOT TO GO TO 67 LIKE WE
WE HAVE GOT TO GO TO 67 LIKE WE
ARE TO 67.
ARE TO 67.
IT'S NOT A VOUCHER MODEL THAT
IT'S NOT A VOUCHER MODEL THAT
ACTUALLY ALLOWS THOSE WHO ARE
ACTUALLY ALLOWS THOSE WHO ARE
UNDER AGE 55 TO HAVE SOME HOPE
UNDER AGE 55 TO HAVE SOME HOPE
THAT THE PROGRAM WILL BE AROUND
THAT THE PROGRAM WILL BE AROUND
FOR THEM.
FOR THEM.
UNDER CURRENT POLICY, IT WON'T B
UNDER CURRENT POLICY, IT WON'T B
AND SO WE HAVE GOT THE CHANGE
AND SO WE HAVE GOT THE CHANGE
THAT.
THAT.
>> HOW WILL THE -- WHICH THE
>> HOW WILL THE -- WHICH THE
DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED TO OR
DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED TO OR
WITHOUT SOME KIND OF SIGNIFICANT
WITHOUT SOME KIND OF SIGNIFICANT
INCREASES IN REVENUES, TAX
INCREASES IN REVENUES, TAX
REVENUES, WHICH REPUBLICANS ARE
REVENUES, WHICH REPUBLICANS ARE
CLOSE TO?
CLOSE TO?
HOW CAN WE DO IT?
HOW CAN WE DO IT?
>> WE HAVE ALREADY ON THE TAX
>> WE HAVE ALREADY ON THE TAX
SIDE, WE HAVE ALREADY RAISED THE
SIDE, WE HAVE ALREADY RAISED THE
TOP RATE.
TOP RATE.
$650 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL
$650 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL
REVENUE WILL BE COMING THERE.
REVENUE WILL BE COMING THERE.
IN THE CONTEXT OF REAL TAX
IN THE CONTEXT OF REAL TAX
REFORM, WE'LL LIKELY RECEIVE OR
REFORM, WE'LL LIKELY RECEIVE OR
REALIZE ADDITIONAL REVENUE WHEN
REALIZE ADDITIONAL REVENUE WHEN
YOU YOU CAN GET RID OF
YOU YOU CAN GET RID OF
TEMPLEATIONS AND LOOPHOLES.
TEMPLEATIONS AND LOOPHOLES.
AND CERTAINLY, THE DEMOCRATS, I
AND CERTAINLY, THE DEMOCRATS, I
THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE
THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE
LARMLY GOTTEN OVER OUR AVERSION
LARMLY GOTTEN OVER OUR AVERSION
TO ADDITIONAL RESIDUE COMING IN.
TO ADDITIONAL RESIDUE COMING IN.
THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO GET OVER
THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO GET OVER
THEIR AVERSION TO DEALING WITH
THEIR AVERSION TO DEALING WITH
SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE.
SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE.
WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.
WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.
AND THE PRESIDENT HASSED A TIMES
AND THE PRESIDENT HASSED A TIMES
SNALED THAT HE'S WILLING TO GO
SNALED THAT HE'S WILLING TO GO
THERE, BUT THEN HE SEEMS TO BE
THERE, BUT THEN HE SEEMS TO BE
YANKED RIGHT BACK BY HIS BASE OR
YANKED RIGHT BACK BY HIS BASE OR
BY OTHER INTERESTS.
BY OTHER INTERESTS.
IT GOT TO BE DONE.
IT GOT TO BE DONE.
>> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO
>> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GUN CONTROL
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GUN CONTROL
SUGGESTIONS THAT HE JUST ISSUED
SUGGESTIONS THAT HE JUST ISSUED
RECENTLY?
RECENTLY?
>> THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THAT
>> THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THAT
THAT WE DO NEED TO IMPLEMENT.
THAT WE DO NEED TO IMPLEMENT.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE
I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
BACKGROUND CHECKS.
I THINK THE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST
I THINK THE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST
HAVE BEEN TECHNOLOGICAL ONES.
HAVE BEEN TECHNOLOGICAL ONES.
YOU NEED THE MAKE SURE THAT
YOU NEED THE MAKE SURE THAT
THERE'S ACCESS IN A TIMELY
THERE'S ACCESS IN A TIMELY
FASHION.
FASHION.
THAT HASN'T BEEN POSSIBLE IN
THAT HASN'T BEEN POSSIBLE IN
SOME CASES WITH GUN SHOWS AND
SOME CASES WITH GUN SHOWS AND
SOME OTHER THINGS.
SOME OTHER THINGS.
IF WE CAN CROSS THE
IF WE CAN CROSS THE
TECHNOLOGICAL HURDLE, LET'S KEEP
TECHNOLOGICAL HURDLE, LET'S KEEP
IN MIND, THAT IS WHERE WE CAN
IN MIND, THAT IS WHERE WE CAN
MAKE SOME REAL PROGRESS.
MAKE SOME REAL PROGRESS.
THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES, AN
THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES, AN
ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND OTHER
ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND OTHER
THINGS THAT ARE MORE COSMETIC,
THINGS THAT ARE MORE COSMETIC,
IF YOU WILL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
IF YOU WILL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THE ASSAULT WEAPONS THAT ARE
THE ASSAULT WEAPONS THAT ARE
BEING TALKED ABOUT.
BEING TALKED ABOUT.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN
I THINK THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN
LESS THAN 1/2 OF 1% FOR ALL OF
LESS THAN 1/2 OF 1% FOR ALL OF
GUN VIOLENCE, SO I THINK THE
GUN VIOLENCE, SO I THINK THE
MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO ARE
MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO ARE
LOOKING AT BACK GROUND CHECKS
LOOKING AT BACK GROUND CHECKS
AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WHO
AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WHO
HAVE WEAPONS HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT
HAVE WEAPONS HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT
TO HAVE THEM AND SHOULD HAVE
TO HAVE THEM AND SHOULD HAVE
THEM.
THEM.
>> ANY WEAPON, ASSAULT WEAPONS,
>> ANY WEAPON, ASSAULT WEAPONS,
EXTENDED MAG DEEPS?
EXTENDED MAG DEEPS?
>> WELL,LIKE I SAID, WE'LL DEAL
>> WELL,LIKE I SAID, WE'LL DEAL
WITH THAT.
WITH THAT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REALITIES
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REALITIES
IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE, I
IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE, I
THINK YOU HAVE HAD HARRY REID
THINK YOU HAVE HAD HARRY REID
AND AL FRANKEN COME OUT IN THE
AND AL FRANKEN COME OUT IN THE
LAST SEVERAL DAYS SAYING THEY
LAST SEVERAL DAYS SAYING THEY
DON'T BELIEVE IT BUT THAT WILL
DON'T BELIEVE IT BUT THAT WILL
MOVE THROUGH THE SENATE.
MOVE THROUGH THE SENATE.
IF YOU HAVE PROBABLE DEMOCRATS
IF YOU HAVE PROBABLE DEMOCRATS
LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT
LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT
WILL B REALLY BE ON THE TABLE.
WILL B REALLY BE ON THE TABLE.
BUT FLOOR SOME MEASURES THAT WE
BUT FLOOR SOME MEASURES THAT WE
CAN TAKE.
CAN TAKE.
>> IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT 80% OF
>> IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT 80% OF
AMERICANS GROW WITH BACKGROUND
AMERICANS GROW WITH BACKGROUND
CHECKS WITH ALL GUN SALES.
CHECKS WITH ALL GUN SALES.
A LOT OF GUN SHOWS TAKE LAYS ON
A LOT OF GUN SHOWS TAKE LAYS ON
THE WEEKEND.
THE WEEKEND.
DO WE HAVE THE MANPOWER AND
DO WE HAVE THE MANPOWER AND
RESOURCES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
RESOURCES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED AND LEGAL
PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED AND LEGAL
CAN WE DO THAT AND STILL GIVE
CAN WE DO THAT AND STILL GIVE
PEOPLE TIMELY ACCESS TO GUNS
PEOPLE TIMELY ACCESS TO GUNS
THAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED FOR
THAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED FOR
PROTECTION?
PROTECTION?
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DELVE
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DELVE
INTO AND LOOK AT.
INTO AND LOOK AT.
I THINK ALL OF US WHO ARGUE THAT
I THINK ALL OF US WHO ARGUE THAT
THE BEST PROGRESS THAT CAN BE
THE BEST PROGRESS THAT CAN BE
MADE WITH GUN VIOLENCE IS TO
MADE WITH GUN VIOLENCE IS TO
MAKE SURE THAT CRIMINALS DON'T
MAKE SURE THAT CRIMINALS DON'T
HAVE GUNS AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS
HAVE GUNS AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS
TO GUNS.
TO GUNS.
THEN THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT.
THEN THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT.
>> FINALLY TONIGHT, FLAKE SPOKE
>> FINALLY TONIGHT, FLAKE SPOKE
ABOUT HIS NEW ROLE AS A SENATOR
ABOUT HIS NEW ROLE AS A SENATOR
AFTER HIS 12 YEARS REPRESENTING
AFTER HIS 12 YEARS REPRESENTING
A SUBURBAN PHOENIX DISTRICT IN
A SUBURBAN PHOENIX DISTRICT IN
THE U.P.S. HOUSE OF
THE U.P.S. HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES.
REPRESENTATIVES.
TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.
THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.
YOU'RE JUST MOVING FROM THE
YOU'RE JUST MOVING FROM THE
HOUSE INTO THE SENATE.
HOUSE INTO THE SENATE.
IS THERE A GREAT DEAL OF
IS THERE A GREAT DEAL OF
DIFFERENCES?
DIFFERENCES?
>> THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DIVIDE
>> THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DIVIDE
ON BOTH SUDS OF THE ROTUNDA.
ON BOTH SUDS OF THE ROTUNDA.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE WHILE TO
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE WHILE TO
GET USED TO IT.
GET USED TO IT.
I REALIZE THAT WHY IT'S A
I REALIZE THAT WHY IT'S A
SIX-YEAR TERM IN THE SENATE, IT
SIX-YEAR TERM IN THE SENATE, IT
TAKES ABOUT THAT LONG TO GET
TAKES ABOUT THAT LONG TO GET
YOUR OFFICE.
YOUR OFFICE.
FRANKLY FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME
FRANKLY FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME
WITH MY LEANINGS AND MY
WITH MY LEANINGS AND MY
PHILOSOPHY, I THINK IT'S A MORE
PHILOSOPHY, I THINK IT'S A MORE
COMFORTABLE PLACE TO BE BECAUSE
COMFORTABLE PLACE TO BE BECAUSE
IT ALLOWS FOR MORE INDEPENDENCE.
IT ALLOWS FOR MORE INDEPENDENCE.
YOU -- IN THE HOUSE, THE RULES
YOU -- IN THE HOUSE, THE RULES
ARE REALLY SET UP TO PROTECT THE
ARE REALLY SET UP TO PROTECT THE
MAJORITY AND THE SENATE IS SET
MAJORITY AND THE SENATE IS SET
UP TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL.
UP TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL.
>> WHAT DIFFERENCES WILL THERE
>> WHAT DIFFERENCES WILL THERE
BE.
BE.
>> CURRENTLY WE'RE IN THE
>> CURRENTLY WE'RE IN THE
MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND GOING
MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND GOING
INTO A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL
INTO A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL
MINORITY IN THE SENATE.
MINORITY IN THE SENATE.
BUT THE WAY THE SENATE RULES ARE
BUT THE WAY THE SENATE RULES ARE
SET UP, SOMEBODY IN THE MINORITY
SET UP, SOMEBODY IN THE MINORITY
CAN HAVE PROBABLY A LOT MORE
CAN HAVE PROBABLY A LOT MORE
LEVERAGE THAN YOU CAN IN THE
LEVERAGE THAN YOU CAN IN THE
MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.
MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.
I'M SORRY IN THE SENATE.
I'M SORRY IN THE SENATE.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT
THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT
WHETHER THE SENATE WILL CHANGE
WHETHER THE SENATE WILL CHANGE
THE RULES, HOLD A SO-CALLED
THE RULES, HOLD A SO-CALLED
NUCLEAR OPTION WHICH WOULD
NUCLEAR OPTION WHICH WOULD
BASICALLY GET RID OF THE
BASICALLY GET RID OF THE
FILIBUSTER ON A MOTION TO
FILIBUSTER ON A MOTION TO
PROCEED TO A BILL, I REALLY HOPE
PROCEED TO A BILL, I REALLY HOPE
THAT THEY DON'T DO THAT.
THAT THEY DON'T DO THAT.
WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE TRYING TO
WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE TRYING TO
DO SOMETHING SIMILAR A FEW YEARS
DO SOMETHING SIMILAR A FEW YEARS
AGO, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN AWFUL
AGO, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN AWFUL
IDEA.
IDEA.
I THINK IT'S AWFUL IDEA FOR THE
I THINK IT'S AWFUL IDEA FOR THE
DEMOCRATS TO DO IT NOW.
DEMOCRATS TO DO IT NOW.
THIS IS AN INSTITUTION THAT HAS
THIS IS AN INSTITUTION THAT HAS
RULES THAT DATE BACK TO THE
RULES THAT DATE BACK TO THE
GOWNEDING.
GOWNEDING.
AND WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE THOSE
AND WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE THOSE
RULES LIKE THAT.
RULES LIKE THAT.
>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER
>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER
LAWS THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SEEM
LAWS THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SEEM
ARCAIN OR EVEN ARCHAIC.
ARCAIN OR EVEN ARCHAIC.
THE SECRET HOLD ON APPOINTMENTS,
THE SECRET HOLD ON APPOINTMENTS,
SENATOR IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
SENATOR IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
AND THE SEN YORT SYSTEM THAT
AND THE SEN YORT SYSTEM THAT
CERTAINLY DON'T WORK IN YOUR
CERTAINLY DON'T WORK IN YOUR
FAVRE NOW.
FAVRE NOW.
>> THERE'S -- I THINK THAT THE
>> THERE'S -- I THINK THAT THE
SECRET HOLD IS OFTEN ABUSED BY
SECRET HOLD IS OFTEN ABUSED BY
BOTH PARTIES.
BOTH PARTIES.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF I
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF I
HAVE A LAR CONCERN -- A WHOLE
HAVE A LAR CONCERN -- A WHOLE
POLICY ISSUE, I'LL LET I BE
POLICY ISSUE, I'LL LET I BE
DONE.
DONE.
I INTEND TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC.
I INTEND TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC.
SO I THINK THAT IT CAN BE
SO I THINK THAT IT CAN BE
ABUSED, HAS BEEN ABUSED.
ABUSED, HAS BEEN ABUSED.
SO THESE KIND OF RULES THAT
SO THESE KIND OF RULES THAT
ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE
ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE
PERHAPS MORE POWER OR ON THE
PERHAPS MORE POWER OR ON THE
WHOLE GOOD.
WHOLE GOOD.
>> THIS -- THAT FOLLOWS ABOUT
>> THIS -- THAT FOLLOWS ABOUT
TEN YEARS OF HOUSE ON THE
TEN YEARS OF HOUSE ON THE
FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.
FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.
ALSO THE ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT
ALSO THE ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT
C
C
COMMITTEES OUR PUBLIC WORKS,
COMMITTEES OUR PUBLIC WORKS,
PUBLIC LAND USE IS OBVIOUSLY
PUBLIC LAND USE IS OBVIOUSLY
VERY IMPORTANT TO ARIZONA.
VERY IMPORTANT TO ARIZONA.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE
A SAY ON ENERGY POWER
A SAY ON ENERGY POWER
GENERATION, MINERAL EXTRACTION,
GENERATION, MINERAL EXTRACTION,
THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE GOOD
SO THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE GOOD
FOR THAT.
FOR THAT.
I'LL ALSO SIT ON THE JUDICIARY
I'LL ALSO SIT ON THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE, AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE
COMMITTEE, AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE
SENATE, I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY
SENATE, I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY
TO PROVIDE ADVISE AND CONSENT ON
TO PROVIDE ADVISE AND CONSENT ON
MOM KNEES.
MOM KNEES.
AND THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AND THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
OBVIOUSLY NOMINATION MOVES
OBVIOUSLY NOMINATION MOVES
THROUGH THE ELECTION ISSUES.
THROUGH THE ELECTION ISSUES.
SO WE'RE DOING TO BE BUSY.
SO WE'RE DOING TO BE BUSY.
>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU SEE
>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU SEE
AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA IN THE
AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA IN THE
WORK OF THOSE CITIES?
WORK OF THOSE CITIES?
>> WITH REGARD TO FOREIGN
>> WITH REGARD TO FOREIGN
AFFAIRS, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF
AFFAIRS, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF
FREE TRADE, I HOPE WE CAN ENTER
FREE TRADE, I HOPE WE CAN ENTER
INTO SOME FREE TRADE TREATMENT,
INTO SOME FREE TRADE TREATMENT,
I THINK WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN
I THINK WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN
POLICY WORK IN AFGHANISTAN, I
POLICY WORK IN AFGHANISTAN, I
JUST RETURNED FROM AFGHANISTAN,
JUST RETURNED FROM AFGHANISTAN,
THE MIDDLE EAST AS WELL.
THE MIDDLE EAST AS WELL.
I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS IN
I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS IN
AFRICA, I EXPECT TO BE ON THE
AFRICA, I EXPECT TO BE ON THE
AFRICA SUBCOMMITTEE THERE.
AFRICA SUBCOMMITTEE THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS ARE
AND OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS ARE
HAPPENING IN NORTH AFRICA RIGHT
HAPPENING IN NORTH AFRICA RIGHT
NOW THAT ARE A BIT DANGEROUS.
NOW THAT ARE A BIT DANGEROUS.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS A FULL PLATE
SO THERE'S ALWAYS A FULL PLATE
ON THE FOREIGN POLICY SIDE.
ON THE FOREIGN POLICY SIDE.
WITH REGARD TO SWRU DISH AREA, I
WITH REGARD TO SWRU DISH AREA, I
HAVE BEEN INVOLVED OBVIOUSLY
HAVE BEEN INVOLVED OBVIOUSLY
INNISM GRAGS REFORM IN ALL MY
INNISM GRAGS REFORM IN ALL MY
TIME AT THE HOUSE AND I INTEND
TIME AT THE HOUSE AND I INTEND
TO CONTINUE THAT INTO THE SENATE
TO CONTINUE THAT INTO THE SENATE
AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PRESIDENT
AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PRESIDENT
SAYING HE'S WILLING AND READY TO
SAYING HE'S WILLING AND READY TO
MOVE AHEAD, I HOPE THAT HE IS
MOVE AHEAD, I HOPE THAT HE IS
AND I HOPE THE HOUSE AND THE
AND I HOPE THE HOUSE AND THE
SENATE ARE AS WELL.
SENATE ARE AS WELL.
>> TELL US WHAT ADVICE YOU GOT
>> TELL US WHAT ADVICE YOU GOT
FROM YOUR PREDECESSOR JOHN KYLE?
FROM YOUR PREDECESSOR JOHN KYLE?
>> HE SAYS REMEMBER WHO ELECTED
>> HE SAYS REMEMBER WHO ELECTED
YOU AND REMEMBER TO GET AROUND,
YOU AND REMEMBER TO GET AROUND,
JOHN KYLE DID SO MUCH GOOD WORK
JOHN KYLE DID SO MUCH GOOD WORK
ON THE ISSUES THAT MAKE ARIZONA,
ON THE ISSUES THAT MAKE ARIZONA,
ARIZONA, WE'RE ABOUT 845%
ARIZONA, WE'RE ABOUT 845%
PUBLICLY OWNED AND ALL THE LAND
PUBLICLY OWNED AND ALL THE LAND
ISSUES THAT BRING ISSUES LIKE
ISSUES THAT BRING ISSUES LIKE
PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY TO THE
PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY TO THE
SHORE.
SHORE.
WATER MANAGEMENT, THAT'S A HEAVY
WATER MANAGEMENT, THAT'S A HEAVY
LIFT.
LIFT.
AND TO GET AROUND THE STATE AND
AND TO GET AROUND THE STATE AND
MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT
MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT
YOU'RE DOING AND GET A GOOD
YOU'RE DOING AND GET A GOOD
STAFF TOGETHER.
STAFF TOGETHER.
THAT UNDERSTAND THESE ISSUES AND
THAT UNDERSTAND THESE ISSUES AND
WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THAT.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THAT.
AND I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO
AND I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO
FINISHING SOME OF THE
FINISHING SOME OF THE
INITIATIVES HE'S BEGUN.
INITIATIVES HE'S BEGUN.
>> AND CONSIDERING JOHN McCAIN,
>> AND CONSIDERING JOHN McCAIN,
YOUR --
YOUR --
>> WELL, I TELL YOU, THE LONGER
>> WELL, I TELL YOU, THE LONGER
I'M IN WASHINGTON, THE MORE
I'M IN WASHINGTON, THE MORE
RESPECT I HAVE FOR SOME OF THE
RESPECT I HAVE FOR SOME OF THE
STANTDS THAT JOHN McCAIN HAS
STANTDS THAT JOHN McCAIN HAS
TAKEN OVER THE YEARS,
TAKEN OVER THE YEARS,
PARTICULARLY ON SPENDING, AND
PARTICULARLY ON SPENDING, AND
DEFICIT.
DEFICIT.
HE HAS STOOD UP TIME AND TIME
HE HAS STOOD UP TIME AND TIME
AGAIN.
AGAIN.
LET ME TELL YOU, IT WEARS ON
LET ME TELL YOU, IT WEARS ON
YOU, EITHER IN THE HOUSE OR THE
YOU, EITHER IN THE HOUSE OR THE
SENATE.
SENATE.
HE'S DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME.
HE'S DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME.
HIS ADVICE IS TO TAKE SOME OF
HIS ADVICE IS TO TAKE SOME OF
THE POSITIONS WITH REGARD TO
THE POSITIONS WITH REGARD TO
HOUSE WITH REGARD TO SPENDING
HOUSE WITH REGARD TO SPENDING
AND DEBT AND DEFICIT AND WORK ON
AND DEBT AND DEFICIT AND WORK ON
THOSE IN THE SENATE.
THOSE IN THE SENATE.
>> MY FULL UNEDITED INTERVIEW
>> MY FULL UNEDITED INTERVIEW
WITH SENATOR FLAKE IS ON YOUR
WITH SENATOR FLAKE IS ON YOUR
WEBSITE, A.