>>> A NEW YEAR AND A NEW U.S.
SENATOR FOR ARIZONA.

SENATOR FOR ARIZONA.
REPUBLICAN JEFF FLECK.

REPUBLICAN JEFF FLECK.
>> THE RULES ARE SET UP THE

>> THE RULES ARE SET UP THE
MAJORITY AND THE SENATE, THEY'RE

MAJORITY AND THE SENATE, THEY'RE
SET UP TO PROTECT THE

SET UP TO PROTECT THE
INDIVIDUAL.

INDIVIDUAL.
>> FLECK AND HIS COLLEAGUES FACE

>> FLECK AND HIS COLLEAGUES FACE
THE SAME ISSUES THAT BEDEVILLED

THE SAME ISSUES THAT BEDEVILLED
THE LAST LONG.

THE LAST LONG.
INCLUDING IMMIGRATION REFORM.

INCLUDING IMMIGRATION REFORM.
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEPORT

>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEPORT
THEM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO

THEM, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO
SELF-DEPORT.

SELF-DEPORT.
>> TONIGHT GETTING TO KNOW

>> TONIGHT GETTING TO KNOW
SKBREF FLAKE AND TO GET A CHANCE

SKBREF FLAKE AND TO GET A CHANCE
TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS.

TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
>>> JEFF FLAKE WAS SWORN IN AS

>>> JEFF FLAKE WAS SWORN IN AS
ARIZONA'S JUNIOR SENATOR THREE

ARIZONA'S JUNIOR SENATOR THREE
WEEKS AGO.

WEEKS AGO.
HE SPOKE WITH US FROM THE HOUSE

HE SPOKE WITH US FROM THE HOUSE
OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE

OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE
ISSUES THAT HE AND HIS

ISSUES THAT HE AND HIS
COLLEAGUES FACE.

COLLEAGUES FACE.
WE'LL START WITH IMGLAIGS.

WE'LL START WITH IMGLAIGS.
WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN REGARD

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN REGARD
TO IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THE

TO IMMIGRATION REFORM IN THE
COUNTRY?

COUNTRY?
>> WELL, FOUR BIG THINGS.

>> WELL, FOUR BIG THINGS.
ONE INCREASED MOTOR SECURITY.

ONE INCREASED MOTOR SECURITY.
THE NICE THING IN ARIZONA IS

THE NICE THING IN ARIZONA IS
THAT WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE

THAT WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE
IT WORKS AND KIND OF AN EXAMPLE

IT WORKS AND KIND OF AN EXAMPLE
OF WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AND

OF WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AND
THAT'S THE TUCSON SECTOR.

THAT'S THE TUCSON SECTOR.
WE HAVE 270 MILES OF BORDER.

WE HAVE 270 MILES OF BORDER.
THEN WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A

THEN WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A
ROBUST TEMPORARY WORKER PROGRAM

ROBUST TEMPORARY WORKER PROGRAM
GOING AHEAD.

GOING AHEAD.
THE FUTURE LABOR NEEDS, WE'RE

THE FUTURE LABOR NEEDS, WE'RE
SFOG TO NEED ADDITIONAL LABOR

SFOG TO NEED ADDITIONAL LABOR
AND THAT OUGHT TO BE TAKEN CARE

AND THAT OUGHT TO BE TAKEN CARE
OF WITH A TEMPORARY WORKER PLAN.

OF WITH A TEMPORARY WORKER PLAN.
THIRD, WE NEED INTERIOR

THIRD, WE NEED INTERIOR
ENFORCEMENT, ON THE EMPLOYER

ENFORCEMENT, ON THE EMPLOYER
SIDE, WHETHER IT'S E VERY NI OR

SIDE, WHETHER IT'S E VERY NI OR
SOMETHING ELSE.

SOMETHING ELSE.
FOU, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A

FOU, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A
MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THOSE WHO

MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THOSE WHO
ARE HERE IN THE AREA ELLIELY

ARE HERE IN THE AREA ELLIELY
NOW.

NOW.
THEY'RE GOING TO SELF DEPORT.

THEY'RE GOING TO SELF DEPORT.
WE NEED A REASONABLE,

WE NEED A REASONABLE,
RESPONSIBLE MECHANISM FOR THEM

RESPONSIBLE MECHANISM FOR THEM
TO DO IT.

TO DO IT.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE

I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE
AMNESTY, IT SHOULDN'T.

AMNESTY, IT SHOULDN'T.
BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT

BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT
THOSE THAT ARE HERE ARE NOT

THOSE THAT ARE HERE ARE NOT
GOING TO SELF-DEPORT.

GOING TO SELF-DEPORT.
>> WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE BE

>> WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE BE
DONE ABOUT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE?

DONE ABOUT THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE?
>> I THINK THE BEST FRAME WORK

>> I THINK THE BEST FRAME WORK
SO FAR IS THE TRY VAC, THAT SAYS

SO FAR IS THE TRY VAC, THAT SAYS
IF YOU AIR HERE ILL LEGALLY AND

IF YOU AIR HERE ILL LEGALLY AND
YOU WISH TO STAY IN A TEMPORARY

YOU WISH TO STAY IN A TEMPORARY
WORKER STATUS, YOU LEARN

WORKER STATUS, YOU LEARN
ENGLISH, YOU PAY BACK TAXES, YOU

ENGLISH, YOU PAY BACK TAXES, YOU
JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS,

JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS,
ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY CRIMINAL

ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY CRIMINAL
RECORD WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO

RECORD WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO
ENTER THIS PROGRAM.

ENTER THIS PROGRAM.
BUT IF THEY WISH LATER, TO

BUT IF THEY WISH LATER, TO
ADJUST THEIR STATUS AND PERHAPS

ADJUST THEIR STATUS AND PERHAPS
GO TOWARD CITIZENSHIP, THEY

GO TOWARD CITIZENSHIP, THEY
WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL

WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL
EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THE LINE

EVERYBODY WHO'S IN THE LINE
GOING THROUGH THE LEGAL ORDERLY

GOING THROUGH THE LEGAL ORDERLY
PROCESS, THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT

PROCESS, THEN THEY HAVE TO WAIT
THROUGH IT.

THROUGH IT.
THAT TO ME IS WHAT DEFINED

THAT TO ME IS WHAT DEFINED
AMNESTY, THOSE WHO CUT IN THE

AMNESTY, THOSE WHO CUT IN THE
LINE AHEAD OF THOSE WHO ARE

LINE AHEAD OF THOSE WHO ARE
LEGALLY GOING THROUGH THE

LEGALLY GOING THROUGH THE
PROSETZ.

PROSETZ.
>> YOU SAID THAT THE 34RI8

>> YOU SAID THAT THE 34RI8
REALITY IN IMMIGRATION REFORM

REALITY IN IMMIGRATION REFORM
WAS THAT BORDER SECURITY HAD TO

WAS THAT BORDER SECURITY HAD TO
COME FIRST.

COME FIRST.
DO WE HAVE A NEW POLITICAL

DO WE HAVE A NEW POLITICAL
REALITY NOW BASED ON THE NEW

REALITY NOW BASED ON THE NEW
POLITICAL OUTCOME.

POLITICAL OUTCOME.
>> I THINK REPUBLICANS,

>> I THINK REPUBLICANS,
DEMOCRATS, EVERYBODY, REALIZES

DEMOCRATS, EVERYBODY, REALIZES
THAT WHICH KNEED TO DEAL WITH

THAT WHICH KNEED TO DEAL WITH
THIS, BOTH FOR SUBSTANTIVE AND

THIS, BOTH FOR SUBSTANTIVE AND
POLITICAL REASONS.

POLITICAL REASONS.
ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE I THINK

ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE I THINK
THERE IT'S A REAL REASON THAT WE

THERE IT'S A REAL REASON THAT WE
CAN'T TAKE THE EGG POSITION THAT

CAN'T TAKE THE EGG POSITION THAT
WE HAVE TAKEN IN THE PAST.

WE HAVE TAKEN IN THE PAST.
BOARDER SECURITY NEEDS TO BE

BOARDER SECURITY NEEDS TO BE
PARAMOUNT, I THINK THAT IT WILL

PARAMOUNT, I THINK THAT IT WILL
BE, IT HAS TO BE IN ANY SOLUTION

BE, IT HAS TO BE IN ANY SOLUTION
HERE.

HERE.
IN ORDER TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME

IN ORDER TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME
OF THE ITEMS I TALKED ABOUT IN

OF THE ITEMS I TALKED ABOUT IN
TERMS OF DEALING WITH THOSE WHO

TERMS OF DEALING WITH THOSE WHO
ARE HERE EMOTIONALLY.

ARE HERE EMOTIONALLY.
THE BORDER IS CHANGED OVER THE

THE BORDER IS CHANGED OVER THE
LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF

AND, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF
THOSE WHO HOLD PROPERTY NEAR AND

THOSE WHO HOLD PROPERTY NEAR AND
ON THE BORDER, THAT HAS TO BE

ON THE BORDER, THAT HAS TO BE
TAKEN INTO CONTRACT.

TAKEN INTO CONTRACT.
I THINK WE CAN DO ALL THAT AND

I THINK WE CAN DO ALL THAT AND
THE FACT THAT WE HA--?

THE FACT THAT WE HA--?
HOW CAN THEY GET FROM ENFRENCHED

HOW CAN THEY GET FROM ENFRENCHED
POSITIONS TO SOLUTIONS?

POSITIONS TO SOLUTIONS?
I SPOKE WITH JUDITH GANS.

I SPOKE WITH JUDITH GANS.
THANKTS SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH

THANKTS SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH
ME.

ME.
FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE,

FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE,
RATHER THAN A POLITICAL

RATHER THAN A POLITICAL
PERSPECTIVE, WHAT NEEDS TO

PERSPECTIVE, WHAT NEEDS TO
HAPPEN TO GET UP TO IMMIGRATION

HAPPEN TO GET UP TO IMMIGRATION
REFORM?

REFORM?
>> THE BIGGEST THING THAT NEEDS

>> THE BIGGEST THING THAT NEEDS
HAPPEN IS TO BRING THE LEGAL --

HAPPEN IS TO BRING THE LEGAL --
OTHER CURRENT SYSTEM WAS PUT IN

OTHER CURRENT SYSTEM WAS PUT IN
PLAITS IN THE MID 1960s AND IT'S

PLAITS IN THE MID 1960s AND IT'S
FUNDAMENTALLY OUT OF ALIGNMENT

FUNDAMENTALLY OUT OF ALIGNMENT
WITH THE CURRENT U.S. ECONOMY.

WITH THE CURRENT U.S. ECONOMY.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT
THOSE.

THOSE.
ONE AT A TIME.

ONE AT A TIME.
THE FIRST ONE IS, BORDER

THE FIRST ONE IS, BORDER
SECURITY, WHICH OF COURSE A LOT

SECURITY, WHICH OF COURSE A LOT
OF PEOPLE SAY HAS TO COME FIRST.

OF PEOPLE SAY HAS TO COME FIRST.
>>> THAT'S A DILEMMA, BECAUSE

>>> THAT'S A DILEMMA, BECAUSE
IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT MIME

IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT MIME
ARE WORRIED ABOUT ILLEGAL

ARE WORRIED ABOUT ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATIONS.

IMMIGRATIONS.
BUT ILLEGAL IM ---RIGHT NOW THE

BUT ILLEGAL IM ---RIGHT NOW THE
ECONOMIC SEGMENT -- THE

ECONOMIC SEGMENT -- THE
OVERWHELMING THE LEGAL

OVERWHELMING THE LEGAL
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.

IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
SO IT ACTUALLY DIFFICULT TO

SO IT ACTUALLY DIFFICULT TO
SECURE THE BORDER WHEN THEREA

SECURE THE BORDER WHEN THEREA
THAT BIG OF -- ILLEGAL

THAT BIG OF -- ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION IS A SYMPTOM OF THE

IMMIGRATION IS A SYMPTOM OF THE
PROBLEM, AND IT IS A PROBLEM,

PROBLEM, AND IT IS A PROBLEM,
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THIS MISMATCH

BUT THE PROBLEM IS THIS MISMATCH
OF LEGAL CHANNELS.

OF LEGAL CHANNELS.
WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT GOETHE

WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT GOETHE
IN SERVICE SECTOR JOBS.

IN SERVICE SECTOR JOBS.
MOST OF THE -- WHEN WE TALK

MOST OF THE -- WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT LOW CELL, WE TALK ABOUT

ABOUT LOW CELL, WE TALK ABOUT
TIPLY LOW BASEMENT -- THEY'RE

TIPLY LOW BASEMENT -- THEY'RE
FROM A TIME WHEN GRADUATING FROM

FROM A TIME WHEN GRADUATING FROM
HIGH SCHOOL IS A BIG DEAL AND

HIGH SCHOOL IS A BIG DEAL AND
YOUNG IMMIGRANT WORKERS HAVE

YOUNG IMMIGRANT WORKERS HAVE
BEEN COMING IN ILLEGALLY BECAUSE

BEEN COMING IN ILLEGALLY BECAUSE
THE LEGAL CHANNEL IS STUDYING

THE LEGAL CHANNEL IS STUDYING
HOW TO FILL IN THE GAPS IN THE

HOW TO FILL IN THE GAPS IN THE
ECONOMY "WHAT LOOKS BEST FROM A

ECONOMY "WHAT LOOKS BEST FROM A
POLICY PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES

POLICY PERSPECTIVE WHEN IT COMES
TO THAT?

TO THAT?
>> THE MAIN THING THAT'S

>> THE MAIN THING THAT'S
IMPORTANT IS FOR CONGRESS TO

IMPORTANT IS FOR CONGRESS TO
CREATE FLEX LT IN THE SYSTEM.

CREATE FLEX LT IN THE SYSTEM.
RIGHT NOW THE SYSTEM IS, WE DO

RIGHT NOW THE SYSTEM IS, WE DO
HAVE GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS.

HAVE GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS.
THERE ARE AGRICULTURAL VISAS FOR

THERE ARE AGRICULTURAL VISAS FOR
PEOPLE TO WORK IN HOTEL, SKI

PEOPLE TO WORK IN HOTEL, SKI
RESORTS, THAT SORT OF THING.

RESORTS, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT CONGRESS NEEDS TO CREATE

BUT CONGRESS NEEDS TO CREATE
EXPANDED GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS

EXPANDED GUEST WORKER PROGRAMS
THAT ARE FLEXIBLE THAT CAN

THAT ARE FLEXIBLE THAT CAN
CHANGE WITH THE ECONOMY.

CHANGE WITH THE ECONOMY.
>> AND IS THERE A NEED FOR A

>> AND IS THERE A NEED FOR A
PERMANENT WORKER PROGRAM OF

PERMANENT WORKER PROGRAM OF
FOREIGNERS AT THE LOW SKILL

FOREIGNERS AT THE LOW SKILL
LEVEL?

LEVEL?
>> I THINK THAT'S LESS STRAIGHT

>> I THINK THAT'S LESS STRAIGHT
FORWARD.

FORWARD.
I THINK AS A PUBLIC POLICY

I THINK AS A PUBLIC POLICY
QUESTION, ANY TIME YOU CREATE A

QUESTION, ANY TIME YOU CREATE A
DISTINCTION BETWEEN WORKERS AND

DISTINCTION BETWEEN WORKERS AND
STEPS, THAT CREATES PROBLEMS IN

STEPS, THAT CREATES PROBLEMS IN
THE LONG RUN.

THE LONG RUN.
WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE

WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE
TO LEARN ENGLISH, TO BECOME PART

TO LEARN ENGLISH, TO BECOME PART
OF OUR SOCIETY, BUT IF WE'RE

OF OUR SOCIETY, BUT IF WE'RE
REALLY SAYING, NO, WE REALLY

REALLY SAYING, NO, WE REALLY
WOOCHBT YOU TO WORK AND BY THE

WOOCHBT YOU TO WORK AND BY THE
WAY, LEAVE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH

WAY, LEAVE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH
YOU, THAT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD

YOU, THAT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD
BALANCE.

BALANCE.
CREATE MORE PERMANENT LEGAL

CREATE MORE PERMANENT LEGAL
CHANNELS SOA PEOPLE CAN COME AND

CHANNELS SOA PEOPLE CAN COME AND
JOIN OUR SOCIETY AND BECOME

JOIN OUR SOCIETY AND BECOME
FULL-FLEDGED MEMBERS OF IT.

FULL-FLEDGED MEMBERS OF IT.
>> AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE IN

>> AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE IN
RELATION TO THE AYE SKILLED

RELATION TO THE AYE SKILLED
PROGRAMS.

PROGRAMS.
THESE PROGRAMS HAVE STRICT

THESE PROGRAMS HAVE STRICT
LIMITS ON THEM AND A LOT OF

LIMITS ON THEM AND A LOT OF
BUSINESSES SAY THEY'RE NOT

BUSINESSES SAY THEY'RE NOT
GETTING ENOUGH OF THOSE WORKER

GETTING ENOUGH OF THOSE WORKER
INTO THE COUNTRY.

INTO THE COUNTRY.
>>> AGAIN FOR FLEXIBILITY AND

>>> AGAIN FOR FLEXIBILITY AND
THE NUMBER TO BE FLEXIBILITY.

THE NUMBER TO BE FLEXIBILITY.
>> THE REAL CRITICISMS OF OUR

>> THE REAL CRITICISMS OF OUR
CURRENT SYSTEM, IS WE'RE

CURRENT SYSTEM, IS WE'RE
EDUCATING A LOT OF HIGH SKILLED

EDUCATING A LOT OF HIGH SKILLED
FOREIGN STUDENTS IN OUR

FOREIGN STUDENTS IN OUR
UNIVERSITIES.

UNIVERSITIES.
IT'S CURRENTLY FOR THAT

IT'S CURRENTLY FOR THAT
KNOWLEDGE TO STAY HERE IN THE

KNOWLEDGE TO STAY HERE IN THE
COUNTRY.

COUNTRY.
IF PEOPLE COME IN HERE ON

IF PEOPLE COME IN HERE ON
STUDENT VISAS AND GET ENGINEERS

STUDENT VISAS AND GET ENGINEERS
OR COMMUTER SCIENCE DEGREES, AND

OR COMMUTER SCIENCE DEGREES, AND
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AND
EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO STAY AS

EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO STAY AS
PERMANENT WORKERS.

PERMANENT WORKERS.
>> NOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE

>> NOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE
VISA SYSTEM FOR THE FAMILIES OF

VISA SYSTEM FOR THE FAMILIES OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY,

PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE LEGALLY,
WHETHER THEY'RE CITIZENS OR

WHETHER THEY'RE CITIZENS OR
PERMANENT RESIDENTS, FOR FIXES

PERMANENT RESIDENTS, FOR FIXES
NEEDED THERE?

NEEDED THERE?
>> IN 2007 WHEN SENATORS KENNEDY

>> IN 2007 WHEN SENATORS KENNEDY
AND DIAL PROPOSED A SIGNIFICANT

AND DIAL PROPOSED A SIGNIFICANT
CHANGE TO THE IMMIGRATION

CHANGE TO THE IMMIGRATION
SYSTEM, THERE WAS TALK AT THAT

SYSTEM, THERE WAS TALK AT THAT
TIME ABOUT MOVING TO A OPPONENT

TIME ABOUT MOVING TO A OPPONENT
BASIS, WHERE INSTEAD -- IF YOU

BASIS, WHERE INSTEAD -- IF YOU
ARE A U.S. CITIZEN WITH CLOSE

ARE A U.S. CITIZEN WITH CLOSE
RELATIVES WHO ARE FOREIGN

RELATIVES WHO ARE FOREIGN
NATIONALS, IT'S REALLY, REALLY

NATIONALS, IT'S REALLY, REALLY
EASY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO

EASY FOR THOSE FOLKS TO
IMMIGRATE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR

IMMIGRATE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR
MATCH OF, OR THEIR SORT OF SKILL

MATCH OF, OR THEIR SORT OF SKILL
OF WORKERS TO THE U.S. MY.

OF WORKERS TO THE U.S. MY.
THE AT THE TIME IT WAS TO GO TO

THE AT THE TIME IT WAS TO GO TO
A POINT SYSTEM AND THERE WAS

A POINT SYSTEM AND THERE WAS
SOME CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY --

SOME CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY --
DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE

DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE
RIGHTS, SO THERE WAS TALK AT

RIGHTS, SO THERE WAS TALK AT
THAT POINT OF INCLUDING FAMILY

THAT POINT OF INCLUDING FAMILY
RELATIONSHIPS AS ONE OF THE

RELATIONSHIPS AS ONE OF THE
THINGS YOU GET POINTS FOR, BUT

THINGS YOU GET POINTS FOR, BUT
ALL OF THIS IS REALLY UP IN THE

ALL OF THIS IS REALLY UP IN THE
AIR, CONGRESS HAS ALLOWED

AIR, CONGRESS HAS ALLOWED
DIFFERENT WAYS THEY CAN

DIFFERENT WAYS THEY CAN
STRUCTURE THE SYSTEM, BUT IT

STRUCTURE THE SYSTEM, BUT IT
NIDS TO BE STRUCTURED TO BE IN

NIDS TO BE STRUCTURED TO BE IN
ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURRENT

ALIGNMENT WITH THE CURRENT
REALITIES.

REALITIES.
>> WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE

>> WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE
ESTIMATED 11 MILLION PEOPLE IN

ESTIMATED 11 MILLION PEOPLE IN
THE COUNTRY NOW ILLEGALLY?

THE COUNTRY NOW ILLEGALLY?
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEROR

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THEROR
WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THERE?

WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THERE?
>> THAT THE QUESTION OF AMNESTY

>> THAT THE QUESTION OF AMNESTY
IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE 2007

IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE 2007
NEGOTIATIONS, AND REALLY WHAT'S

NEGOTIATIONS, AND REALLY WHAT'S
HAPPENING IS A POLITICAL DEBATE

HAPPENING IS A POLITICAL DEBATE
WITHIN THE COUNTRY ABOUT WHAT'S

WITHIN THE COUNTRY ABOUT WHAT'S
THE APPROPRIATE PENALTY FOR

THE APPROPRIATE PENALTY FOR
BEING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

BEING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
ONE SIDE WILL SAY, LOOK, THEY

ONE SIDE WILL SAY, LOOK, THEY
BROKE OUR LAWS, THEY SHOULD BE

BROKE OUR LAWS, THEY SHOULD BE
DEPORTED AND THERE SHOULD BE NO

DEPORTED AND THERE SHOULD BE NO
MERCY.

MERCY.
THAT'S AT BEEN END OF THE

THAT'S AT BEEN END OF THE
SPECTRUM.

SPECTRUM.
>> ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE

>> ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE
EMPLOY KBRERS SAYING, WE TAUGHT

EMPLOY KBRERS SAYING, WE TAUGHT
THEM A SKILL AND THEY'RE MARRIED

THEM A SKILL AND THEY'RE MARRIED
TO U.S. CITIZENS, THEY'RE

TO U.S. CITIZENS, THEY'RE
EMBEDDED IN OUR SOCIETY, LET'S

EMBEDDED IN OUR SOCIETY, LET'S
JUST LET IT GO.

JUST LET IT GO.
SO WE'RE HAVING THIS POLITICAL

SO WE'RE HAVING THIS POLITICAL
DEBATE OVER WHAT THE APPROPRIATE

DEBATE OVER WHAT THE APPROPRIATE
PENALTY SHOULD BE AND ONCE THAT

PENALTY SHOULD BE AND ONCE THAT
I

I
IS -- ONCE THAT SETTLES, I THINK

IS -- ONCE THAT SETTLES, I THINK
WE CAN GO ON TO MAKE THE OTHER

WE CAN GO ON TO MAKE THE OTHER
CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM.

CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM.
BUT SO FAR THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY

BUT SO FAR THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY
LIMITED THE PROIMMIGRATION

LIMITED THE PROIMMIGRATION
SYSTEM.

SYSTEM.
>> AS A LONG-TIME STUDENT OF

>> AS A LONG-TIME STUDENT OF
IMMIGRATION POLICY IN THIS

IMMIGRATION POLICY IN THIS
COUNTRY, WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE NOW

COUNTRY, WHAT GIVES YOU HOPE NOW
THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS BACK ON

THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS BACK ON
THE FRONT BURNER?

THE FRONT BURNER?
>> AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, WHAT

>> AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, WHAT
A DIFFERENCE AN ELECTION MAKES.

A DIFFERENCE AN ELECTION MAKES.
I THINK THE MOST RECENT

I THINK THE MOST RECENT
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THE

PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THE
CHANGES NA WE SAW IN THE

CHANGES NA WE SAW IN THE
CONGRESS HAVE REALLY CHANGED THE

CONGRESS HAVE REALLY CHANGED THE
DYNAMICS.

DYNAMICS.
THE ROLE OF HISPANIC VOTERS IN

THE ROLE OF HISPANIC VOTERS IN
THE UNITED STATES, IT'S CLEARLY

THE UNITED STATES, IT'S CLEARLY
COMING TO KNEW WHICH IS IF YOU

COMING TO KNEW WHICH IS IF YOU
WILL.

WILL.
I THINK THERE'S A DYNAMIC THAT

I THINK THERE'S A DYNAMIC THAT
WE CAN'T JUST KEEP DEMONIZING

WE CAN'T JUST KEEP DEMONIZING
OUR IMMIGRANTS FOR THE FACT THAT

OUR IMMIGRANTS FOR THE FACT THAT
OUR -- STEP TO SOLVING THE

OUR -- STEP TO SOLVING THE
PROBLEMS THAT ARE THERE.

PROBLEMS THAT ARE THERE.
>> JEW DUJU DEATH GANZ.

>> JEW DUJU DEATH GANZ.
>> IMMIGRATION ISN'T THE ONLY

>> IMMIGRATION ISN'T THE ONLY
BIG ITEM ON THE SENATOR'S

BIG ITEM ON THE SENATOR'S
AJEOPARDY DACHLT HERE'S MORE OF

AJEOPARDY DACHLT HERE'S MORE OF
MY INTERVIEW WITH JART JEFF

MY INTERVIEW WITH JART JEFF
FLAKE.

FLAKE.
>> ONE OF YOUR LAST ACTIONS AS A

>> ONE OF YOUR LAST ACTIONS AS A
MEMBER OF THE HOUSE WAS THE VOTE

MEMBER OF THE HOUSE WAS THE VOTE
ON THE TERIN RARE, IF WE MAY

ON THE TERIN RARE, IF WE MAY
CALL IT THAT, NIS CALL REPAIR OR

CALL IT THAT, NIS CALL REPAIR OR
HOW EVER WOULD YOU LIKE TO

HOW EVER WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CHARACTERIZE IT, I WOULD URGE

CHARACTERIZE IT, I WOULD URGE
YOU TO DO THAT.

YOU TO DO THAT.
AND YOUR VOTE WAS GEPT THE PACK

AND YOUR VOTE WAS GEPT THE PACK
FAJ THAT CAME THROUGH, COULD YOU

FAJ THAT CAME THROUGH, COULD YOU
EXPLAIN THAT?

EXPLAIN THAT?
>> I NET THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE

>> I NET THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE
SOME SPENDING CUTS AT SOME

SOME SPENDING CUTS AT SOME
POINT, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE

POINT, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE
SEQUEST

SEQUEST
SEQUESTER, I'M NOT FOND OF THE

SEQUESTER, I'M NOT FOND OF THE
BUDGET CONTROL THAT CAME ABOUT A

BUDGET CONTROL THAT CAME ABOUT A
YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE

IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE
SEQUESTER, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND

SEQUESTER, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND
OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CUT.

OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CUT.
IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE THAT WE

IT WAS JUST UNBELIEVABLE THAT WE
COULD ADDRESS THE FISCAL CLIFF,

COULD ADDRESS THE FISCAL CLIFF,
THE CLIFF IS THERE BECAUSE OF

THE CLIFF IS THERE BECAUSE OF
OUR MASSIVE DEBTS AND DEFICIT

OUR MASSIVE DEBTS AND DEFICIT
AND ACTUALLY PASS A BILL THAT

AND ACTUALLY PASS A BILL THAT
INCREASES SPENDING AND THEN JUST

INCREASES SPENDING AND THEN JUST
KEEP THE SPENDING CUTS DOWN THE

KEEP THE SPENDING CUTS DOWN THE
ROAD AGAIN.

ROAD AGAIN.
I COULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT.

I COULDN'T BE A PART OF THAT.
>> IT NOT TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD,

>> IT NOT TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD,
BUT IT'S JUST A MO OR MORE THAT

BUT IT'S JUST A MO OR MORE THAT
THE PRESIDENT HAS TO WORK ON

THE PRESIDENT HAS TO WORK ON
THAT.

THAT.
>> WHAT'S THE SOLUTION?

>> WHAT'S THE SOLUTION?
>> THE SOLUTION IS TO CUT

>> THE SOLUTION IS TO CUT
SPENDING.

SPENDING.
THE PRESIDENT HASLEM MADE ITS

THE PRESIDENT HASLEM MADE ITS
CLEAR HE WANTS TO SHAKE THE

CLEAR HE WANTS TO SHAKE THE
REVENUE TREE ONCE AGAIN.

REVENUE TREE ONCE AGAIN.
THAT ONLY GOES SO FAR.

THAT ONLY GOES SO FAR.
WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME TAX

WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME TAX
INCREASES AND I THINK IT'S TIME

INCREASES AND I THINK IT'S TIME
TO CUT SPENDING NOW.

TO CUT SPENDING NOW.
>> LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT THAT

>> LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT THAT
THE SEQUESTER, I STILL PLEN THAT

THE SEQUESTER, I STILL PLEN THAT
IT HITS FAR TOO HARD ON DEFENSE

IT HITS FAR TOO HARD ON DEFENSE
RATHER THAN SOME OTHER AREAS.

RATHER THAN SOME OTHER AREAS.
IN THE HOUSE WE HAVE A GOOD

IN THE HOUSE WE HAVE A GOOD
BLUEPRINT, THE RYAN BUDGET.

BLUEPRINT, THE RYAN BUDGET.
YOU'VE GOT THE SIMPSON BOWLES --

YOU'VE GOT THE SIMPSON BOWLES --
WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN THAT.

WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN THAT.
IT'S I ANYBODY WHO SAYS THAT IN

IT'S I ANYBODY WHO SAYS THAT IN
A $700 BILLION DEFENSE BUDGET,

A $700 BILLION DEFENSE BUDGET,
BUT THERE'S NO ROOM FOR

BUT THERE'S NO ROOM FOR
ADDITIONAL SAVINGS, ISN'T

ADDITIONAL SAVINGS, ISN'T
LOOKING REGARD ENOUGH.

LOOKING REGARD ENOUGH.
HAVING SAID THAT, THE SEQUESTER

HAVING SAID THAT, THE SEQUESTER
GOES FAR TOO FAR, AND WE NEED TO

GOES FAR TOO FAR, AND WE NEED TO
FIND THAT RIGHT APPROACH AND

FIND THAT RIGHT APPROACH AND
TAKE IT.

TAKE IT.
BUT WE HAVE GOT TO CUT EVERY

BUT WE HAVE GOT TO CUT EVERY
AREA, BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU'RE

AREA, BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU'RE
BORROWING 40 CENTS ON EACH

BORROWING 40 CENTS ON EACH
DOLLAR, MORE CUTS NEED TO BE.

DOLLAR, MORE CUTS NEED TO BE.
>> WE ARE THE ENTITLEMENT

>> WE ARE THE ENTITLEMENT
PROGRAM, AND IN PARTICULAR,

PROGRAM, AND IN PARTICULAR,
MEDICARE, AND TO A CERTAIN

MEDICARE, AND TO A CERTAIN
EXTENT MEDICAID, WITH MEDICARE

EXTENT MEDICAID, WITH MEDICARE
WE HAVE GOT TO DO A LOT OF

WE HAVE GOT TO DO A LOT OF
THINGS AND WE OUTLINED SOME OF

THINGS AND WE OUTLINED SOME OF
THOSE IN THE RYAN BUDGET OR THE

THOSE IN THE RYAN BUDGET OR THE
RYAN APPROACH.

RYAN APPROACH.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE

WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE
REQUIREMENT AGE FOR SOCIAL

REQUIREMENT AGE FOR SOCIAL
SECURITY AND FOR MEDICARE.

SECURITY AND FOR MEDICARE.
WE HAVE GOT TO GO TO 67 LIKE WE

WE HAVE GOT TO GO TO 67 LIKE WE
ARE TO 67.

ARE TO 67.
IT'S NOT A VOUCHER MODEL THAT

IT'S NOT A VOUCHER MODEL THAT
ACTUALLY ALLOWS THOSE WHO ARE

ACTUALLY ALLOWS THOSE WHO ARE
UNDER AGE 55 TO HAVE SOME HOPE

UNDER AGE 55 TO HAVE SOME HOPE
THAT THE PROGRAM WILL BE AROUND

THAT THE PROGRAM WILL BE AROUND
FOR THEM.

FOR THEM.
UNDER CURRENT POLICY, IT WON'T B

UNDER CURRENT POLICY, IT WON'T B
AND SO WE HAVE GOT THE CHANGE

AND SO WE HAVE GOT THE CHANGE
THAT.

THAT.
>> HOW WILL THE -- WHICH THE

>> HOW WILL THE -- WHICH THE
DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED TO OR

DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED TO OR
WITHOUT SOME KIND OF SIGNIFICANT

WITHOUT SOME KIND OF SIGNIFICANT
INCREASES IN REVENUES, TAX

INCREASES IN REVENUES, TAX
REVENUES, WHICH REPUBLICANS ARE

REVENUES, WHICH REPUBLICANS ARE
CLOSE TO?

CLOSE TO?
HOW CAN WE DO IT?

HOW CAN WE DO IT?
>> WE HAVE ALREADY ON THE TAX

>> WE HAVE ALREADY ON THE TAX
SIDE, WE HAVE ALREADY RAISED THE

SIDE, WE HAVE ALREADY RAISED THE
TOP RATE.

TOP RATE.
$650 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL

$650 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL
REVENUE WILL BE COMING THERE.

REVENUE WILL BE COMING THERE.
IN THE CONTEXT OF REAL TAX

IN THE CONTEXT OF REAL TAX
REFORM, WE'LL LIKELY RECEIVE OR

REFORM, WE'LL LIKELY RECEIVE OR
REALIZE ADDITIONAL REVENUE WHEN

REALIZE ADDITIONAL REVENUE WHEN
YOU YOU CAN GET RID OF

YOU YOU CAN GET RID OF
TEMPLEATIONS AND LOOPHOLES.

TEMPLEATIONS AND LOOPHOLES.
AND CERTAINLY, THE DEMOCRATS, I

AND CERTAINLY, THE DEMOCRATS, I
THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE

THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE
LARMLY GOTTEN OVER OUR AVERSION

LARMLY GOTTEN OVER OUR AVERSION
TO ADDITIONAL RESIDUE COMING IN.

TO ADDITIONAL RESIDUE COMING IN.
THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO GET OVER

THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO GET OVER
THEIR AVERSION TO DEALING WITH

THEIR AVERSION TO DEALING WITH
SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE.

SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE.
WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.

WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.
AND THE PRESIDENT HASSED A TIMES

AND THE PRESIDENT HASSED A TIMES
SNALED THAT HE'S WILLING TO GO

SNALED THAT HE'S WILLING TO GO
THERE, BUT THEN HE SEEMS TO BE

THERE, BUT THEN HE SEEMS TO BE
YANKED RIGHT BACK BY HIS BASE OR

YANKED RIGHT BACK BY HIS BASE OR
BY OTHER INTERESTS.

BY OTHER INTERESTS.
IT GOT TO BE DONE.

IT GOT TO BE DONE.
>> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO

>> WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GUN CONTROL

PRESIDENT OBAMA'S GUN CONTROL
SUGGESTIONS THAT HE JUST ISSUED

SUGGESTIONS THAT HE JUST ISSUED
RECENTLY?

RECENTLY?
>> THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THAT

>> THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THAT
THAT WE DO NEED TO IMPLEMENT.

THAT WE DO NEED TO IMPLEMENT.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE

I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE
BACKGROUND CHECKS.

BACKGROUND CHECKS.
I THINK THE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST

I THINK THE PROBLEMS IN THE PAST
HAVE BEEN TECHNOLOGICAL ONES.

HAVE BEEN TECHNOLOGICAL ONES.
YOU NEED THE MAKE SURE THAT

YOU NEED THE MAKE SURE THAT
THERE'S ACCESS IN A TIMELY

THERE'S ACCESS IN A TIMELY
FASHION.

FASHION.
THAT HASN'T BEEN POSSIBLE IN

THAT HASN'T BEEN POSSIBLE IN
SOME CASES WITH GUN SHOWS AND

SOME CASES WITH GUN SHOWS AND
SOME OTHER THINGS.

SOME OTHER THINGS.
IF WE CAN CROSS THE

IF WE CAN CROSS THE
TECHNOLOGICAL HURDLE, LET'S KEEP

TECHNOLOGICAL HURDLE, LET'S KEEP
IN MIND, THAT IS WHERE WE CAN

IN MIND, THAT IS WHERE WE CAN
MAKE SOME REAL PROGRESS.

MAKE SOME REAL PROGRESS.
THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES, AN

THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES, AN
ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND OTHER

ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN AND OTHER
THINGS THAT ARE MORE COSMETIC,

THINGS THAT ARE MORE COSMETIC,
IF YOU WILL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT

IF YOU WILL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THE ASSAULT WEAPONS THAT ARE

THE ASSAULT WEAPONS THAT ARE
BEING TALKED ABOUT.

BEING TALKED ABOUT.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN

I THINK THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN
LESS THAN 1/2 OF 1% FOR ALL OF

LESS THAN 1/2 OF 1% FOR ALL OF
GUN VIOLENCE, SO I THINK THE

GUN VIOLENCE, SO I THINK THE
MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO ARE

MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO ARE
LOOKING AT BACK GROUND CHECKS

LOOKING AT BACK GROUND CHECKS
AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WHO

AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WHO
HAVE WEAPONS HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT

HAVE WEAPONS HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT
TO HAVE THEM AND SHOULD HAVE

TO HAVE THEM AND SHOULD HAVE
THEM.

THEM.
>> ANY WEAPON, ASSAULT WEAPONS,

>> ANY WEAPON, ASSAULT WEAPONS,
EXTENDED MAG DEEPS?

EXTENDED MAG DEEPS?
>> WELL,LIKE I SAID, WE'LL DEAL

>> WELL,LIKE I SAID, WE'LL DEAL
WITH THAT.

WITH THAT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REALITIES

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REALITIES
IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE, I

IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE, I
THINK YOU HAVE HAD HARRY REID

THINK YOU HAVE HAD HARRY REID
AND AL FRANKEN COME OUT IN THE

AND AL FRANKEN COME OUT IN THE
LAST SEVERAL DAYS SAYING THEY

LAST SEVERAL DAYS SAYING THEY
DON'T BELIEVE IT BUT THAT WILL

DON'T BELIEVE IT BUT THAT WILL
MOVE THROUGH THE SENATE.

MOVE THROUGH THE SENATE.
IF YOU HAVE PROBABLE DEMOCRATS

IF YOU HAVE PROBABLE DEMOCRATS
LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT

LIKE THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT
WILL B REALLY BE ON THE TABLE.

WILL B REALLY BE ON THE TABLE.
BUT FLOOR SOME MEASURES THAT WE

BUT FLOOR SOME MEASURES THAT WE
CAN TAKE.

CAN TAKE.
>> IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT 80% OF

>> IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT 80% OF
AMERICANS GROW WITH BACKGROUND

AMERICANS GROW WITH BACKGROUND
CHECKS WITH ALL GUN SALES.

CHECKS WITH ALL GUN SALES.
A LOT OF GUN SHOWS TAKE LAYS ON

A LOT OF GUN SHOWS TAKE LAYS ON
THE WEEKEND.

THE WEEKEND.
DO WE HAVE THE MANPOWER AND

DO WE HAVE THE MANPOWER AND
RESOURCES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL

RESOURCES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED AND LEGAL

PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED AND LEGAL
CAN WE DO THAT AND STILL GIVE

CAN WE DO THAT AND STILL GIVE
PEOPLE TIMELY ACCESS TO GUNS

PEOPLE TIMELY ACCESS TO GUNS
THAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED FOR

THAT THEY FEEL THEY NEED FOR
PROTECTION?

PROTECTION?
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DELVE

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DELVE
INTO AND LOOK AT.

INTO AND LOOK AT.
I THINK ALL OF US WHO ARGUE THAT

I THINK ALL OF US WHO ARGUE THAT
THE BEST PROGRESS THAT CAN BE

THE BEST PROGRESS THAT CAN BE
MADE WITH GUN VIOLENCE IS TO

MADE WITH GUN VIOLENCE IS TO
MAKE SURE THAT CRIMINALS DON'T

MAKE SURE THAT CRIMINALS DON'T
HAVE GUNS AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS

HAVE GUNS AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS
TO GUNS.

TO GUNS.
THEN THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT.

THEN THAT'S WHERE WE LOOK AT.
>> FINALLY TONIGHT, FLAKE SPOKE

>> FINALLY TONIGHT, FLAKE SPOKE
ABOUT HIS NEW ROLE AS A SENATOR

ABOUT HIS NEW ROLE AS A SENATOR
AFTER HIS 12 YEARS REPRESENTING

AFTER HIS 12 YEARS REPRESENTING
A SUBURBAN PHOENIX DISTRICT IN

A SUBURBAN PHOENIX DISTRICT IN
THE U.P.S. HOUSE OF

THE U.P.S. HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES.

REPRESENTATIVES.
TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.
YOU'RE JUST MOVING FROM THE

YOU'RE JUST MOVING FROM THE
HOUSE INTO THE SENATE.

HOUSE INTO THE SENATE.
IS THERE A GREAT DEAL OF

IS THERE A GREAT DEAL OF
DIFFERENCES?

DIFFERENCES?
>> THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DIVIDE

>> THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DIVIDE
ON BOTH SUDS OF THE ROTUNDA.

ON BOTH SUDS OF THE ROTUNDA.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE WHILE TO

SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE WHILE TO
GET USED TO IT.

GET USED TO IT.
I REALIZE THAT WHY IT'S A

I REALIZE THAT WHY IT'S A
SIX-YEAR TERM IN THE SENATE, IT

SIX-YEAR TERM IN THE SENATE, IT
TAKES ABOUT THAT LONG TO GET

TAKES ABOUT THAT LONG TO GET
YOUR OFFICE.

YOUR OFFICE.
FRANKLY FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME

FRANKLY FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME
WITH MY LEANINGS AND MY

WITH MY LEANINGS AND MY
PHILOSOPHY, I THINK IT'S A MORE

PHILOSOPHY, I THINK IT'S A MORE
COMFORTABLE PLACE TO BE BECAUSE

COMFORTABLE PLACE TO BE BECAUSE
IT ALLOWS FOR MORE INDEPENDENCE.

IT ALLOWS FOR MORE INDEPENDENCE.
YOU -- IN THE HOUSE, THE RULES

YOU -- IN THE HOUSE, THE RULES
ARE REALLY SET UP TO PROTECT THE

ARE REALLY SET UP TO PROTECT THE
MAJORITY AND THE SENATE IS SET

MAJORITY AND THE SENATE IS SET
UP TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL.

UP TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL.
>> WHAT DIFFERENCES WILL THERE

>> WHAT DIFFERENCES WILL THERE
BE.

BE.
>> CURRENTLY WE'RE IN THE

>> CURRENTLY WE'RE IN THE
MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND GOING

MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND GOING
INTO A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL

INTO A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL
MINORITY IN THE SENATE.

MINORITY IN THE SENATE.
BUT THE WAY THE SENATE RULES ARE

BUT THE WAY THE SENATE RULES ARE
SET UP, SOMEBODY IN THE MINORITY

SET UP, SOMEBODY IN THE MINORITY
CAN HAVE PROBABLY A LOT MORE

CAN HAVE PROBABLY A LOT MORE
LEVERAGE THAN YOU CAN IN THE

LEVERAGE THAN YOU CAN IN THE
MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.

MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE.
I'M SORRY IN THE SENATE.

I'M SORRY IN THE SENATE.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT

THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT
WHETHER THE SENATE WILL CHANGE

WHETHER THE SENATE WILL CHANGE
THE RULES, HOLD A SO-CALLED

THE RULES, HOLD A SO-CALLED
NUCLEAR OPTION WHICH WOULD

NUCLEAR OPTION WHICH WOULD
BASICALLY GET RID OF THE

BASICALLY GET RID OF THE
FILIBUSTER ON A MOTION TO

FILIBUSTER ON A MOTION TO
PROCEED TO A BILL, I REALLY HOPE

PROCEED TO A BILL, I REALLY HOPE
THAT THEY DON'T DO THAT.

THAT THEY DON'T DO THAT.
WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE TRYING TO

WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE TRYING TO
DO SOMETHING SIMILAR A FEW YEARS

DO SOMETHING SIMILAR A FEW YEARS
AGO, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN AWFUL

AGO, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN AWFUL
IDEA.

IDEA.
I THINK IT'S AWFUL IDEA FOR THE

I THINK IT'S AWFUL IDEA FOR THE
DEMOCRATS TO DO IT NOW.

DEMOCRATS TO DO IT NOW.
THIS IS AN INSTITUTION THAT HAS

THIS IS AN INSTITUTION THAT HAS
RULES THAT DATE BACK TO THE

RULES THAT DATE BACK TO THE
GOWNEDING.

GOWNEDING.
AND WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE THOSE

AND WE SHOULDN'T CHANGE THOSE
RULES LIKE THAT.

RULES LIKE THAT.
>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER

>> THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER
LAWS THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SEEM

LAWS THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SEEM
ARCAIN OR EVEN ARCHAIC.

ARCAIN OR EVEN ARCHAIC.
THE SECRET HOLD ON APPOINTMENTS,

THE SECRET HOLD ON APPOINTMENTS,
SENATOR IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

SENATOR IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
AND THE SEN YORT SYSTEM THAT

AND THE SEN YORT SYSTEM THAT
CERTAINLY DON'T WORK IN YOUR

CERTAINLY DON'T WORK IN YOUR
FAVRE NOW.

FAVRE NOW.
>> THERE'S -- I THINK THAT THE

>> THERE'S -- I THINK THAT THE
SECRET HOLD IS OFTEN ABUSED BY

SECRET HOLD IS OFTEN ABUSED BY
BOTH PARTIES.

BOTH PARTIES.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF I

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF I
HAVE A LAR CONCERN -- A WHOLE

HAVE A LAR CONCERN -- A WHOLE
POLICY ISSUE, I'LL LET I BE

POLICY ISSUE, I'LL LET I BE
DONE.

DONE.
I INTEND TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC.

I INTEND TO MAKE THOSE PUBLIC.
SO I THINK THAT IT CAN BE

SO I THINK THAT IT CAN BE
ABUSED, HAS BEEN ABUSED.

ABUSED, HAS BEEN ABUSED.
SO THESE KIND OF RULES THAT

SO THESE KIND OF RULES THAT
ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE

ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE
PERHAPS MORE POWER OR ON THE

PERHAPS MORE POWER OR ON THE
WHOLE GOOD.

WHOLE GOOD.
>> THIS -- THAT FOLLOWS ABOUT

>> THIS -- THAT FOLLOWS ABOUT
TEN YEARS OF HOUSE ON THE

TEN YEARS OF HOUSE ON THE
FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.

FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.
ALSO THE ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT

ALSO THE ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENT
C

C
COMMITTEES OUR PUBLIC WORKS,

COMMITTEES OUR PUBLIC WORKS,
PUBLIC LAND USE IS OBVIOUSLY

PUBLIC LAND USE IS OBVIOUSLY
VERY IMPORTANT TO ARIZONA.

VERY IMPORTANT TO ARIZONA.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE

AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE
A SAY ON ENERGY POWER

A SAY ON ENERGY POWER
GENERATION, MINERAL EXTRACTION,

GENERATION, MINERAL EXTRACTION,
THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE GOOD

SO THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE GOOD
FOR THAT.

FOR THAT.
I'LL ALSO SIT ON THE JUDICIARY

I'LL ALSO SIT ON THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE, AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE

COMMITTEE, AND OBVIOUSLY IN THE
SENATE, I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY

SENATE, I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY
TO PROVIDE ADVISE AND CONSENT ON

TO PROVIDE ADVISE AND CONSENT ON
MOM KNEES.

MOM KNEES.
AND THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

AND THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
OBVIOUSLY NOMINATION MOVES

OBVIOUSLY NOMINATION MOVES
THROUGH THE ELECTION ISSUES.

THROUGH THE ELECTION ISSUES.
SO WE'RE DOING TO BE BUSY.

SO WE'RE DOING TO BE BUSY.
>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU SEE

>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU SEE
AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA IN THE

AS PART OF YOUR AGENDA IN THE
WORK OF THOSE CITIES?

WORK OF THOSE CITIES?
>> WITH REGARD TO FOREIGN

>> WITH REGARD TO FOREIGN
AFFAIRS, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF

AFFAIRS, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF
FREE TRADE, I HOPE WE CAN ENTER

FREE TRADE, I HOPE WE CAN ENTER
INTO SOME FREE TRADE TREATMENT,

INTO SOME FREE TRADE TREATMENT,
I THINK WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN

I THINK WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN
POLICY WORK IN AFGHANISTAN, I

POLICY WORK IN AFGHANISTAN, I
JUST RETURNED FROM AFGHANISTAN,

JUST RETURNED FROM AFGHANISTAN,
THE MIDDLE EAST AS WELL.

THE MIDDLE EAST AS WELL.
I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS IN

I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS IN
AFRICA, I EXPECT TO BE ON THE

AFRICA, I EXPECT TO BE ON THE
AFRICA SUBCOMMITTEE THERE.

AFRICA SUBCOMMITTEE THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS ARE

AND OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS ARE
HAPPENING IN NORTH AFRICA RIGHT

HAPPENING IN NORTH AFRICA RIGHT
NOW THAT ARE A BIT DANGEROUS.

NOW THAT ARE A BIT DANGEROUS.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS A FULL PLATE

SO THERE'S ALWAYS A FULL PLATE
ON THE FOREIGN POLICY SIDE.

ON THE FOREIGN POLICY SIDE.
WITH REGARD TO SWRU DISH AREA, I

WITH REGARD TO SWRU DISH AREA, I
HAVE BEEN INVOLVED OBVIOUSLY

HAVE BEEN INVOLVED OBVIOUSLY
INNISM GRAGS REFORM IN ALL MY

INNISM GRAGS REFORM IN ALL MY
TIME AT THE HOUSE AND I INTEND

TIME AT THE HOUSE AND I INTEND
TO CONTINUE THAT INTO THE SENATE

TO CONTINUE THAT INTO THE SENATE
AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PRESIDENT

AND OBVIOUSLY WITH THE PRESIDENT
SAYING HE'S WILLING AND READY TO

SAYING HE'S WILLING AND READY TO
MOVE AHEAD, I HOPE THAT HE IS

MOVE AHEAD, I HOPE THAT HE IS
AND I HOPE THE HOUSE AND THE

AND I HOPE THE HOUSE AND THE
SENATE ARE AS WELL.

SENATE ARE AS WELL.
>> TELL US WHAT ADVICE YOU GOT

>> TELL US WHAT ADVICE YOU GOT
FROM YOUR PREDECESSOR JOHN KYLE?

FROM YOUR PREDECESSOR JOHN KYLE?
>> HE SAYS REMEMBER WHO ELECTED

>> HE SAYS REMEMBER WHO ELECTED
YOU AND REMEMBER TO GET AROUND,

YOU AND REMEMBER TO GET AROUND,
JOHN KYLE DID SO MUCH GOOD WORK

JOHN KYLE DID SO MUCH GOOD WORK
ON THE ISSUES THAT MAKE ARIZONA,

ON THE ISSUES THAT MAKE ARIZONA,
ARIZONA, WE'RE ABOUT 845%

ARIZONA, WE'RE ABOUT 845%
PUBLICLY OWNED AND ALL THE LAND

PUBLICLY OWNED AND ALL THE LAND
ISSUES THAT BRING ISSUES LIKE

ISSUES THAT BRING ISSUES LIKE
PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY TO THE

PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY TO THE
SHORE.

SHORE.
WATER MANAGEMENT, THAT'S A HEAVY

WATER MANAGEMENT, THAT'S A HEAVY
LIFT.

LIFT.
AND TO GET AROUND THE STATE AND

AND TO GET AROUND THE STATE AND
MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT

MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT
YOU'RE DOING AND GET A GOOD

YOU'RE DOING AND GET A GOOD
STAFF TOGETHER.

STAFF TOGETHER.
THAT UNDERSTAND THESE ISSUES AND

THAT UNDERSTAND THESE ISSUES AND
WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THAT.

WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THAT.
AND I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO

AND I CERTAINLY LOOK FORWARD TO
FINISHING SOME OF THE

FINISHING SOME OF THE
INITIATIVES HE'S BEGUN.

INITIATIVES HE'S BEGUN.
>> AND CONSIDERING JOHN McCAIN,

>> AND CONSIDERING JOHN McCAIN,
YOUR --

YOUR --
>> WELL, I TELL YOU, THE LONGER

>> WELL, I TELL YOU, THE LONGER
I'M IN WASHINGTON, THE MORE

I'M IN WASHINGTON, THE MORE
RESPECT I HAVE FOR SOME OF THE

RESPECT I HAVE FOR SOME OF THE
STANTDS THAT JOHN McCAIN HAS

STANTDS THAT JOHN McCAIN HAS
TAKEN OVER THE YEARS,

TAKEN OVER THE YEARS,
PARTICULARLY ON SPENDING, AND

PARTICULARLY ON SPENDING, AND
DEFICIT.

DEFICIT.
HE HAS STOOD UP TIME AND TIME

HE HAS STOOD UP TIME AND TIME
AGAIN.

AGAIN.
LET ME TELL YOU, IT WEARS ON

LET ME TELL YOU, IT WEARS ON
YOU, EITHER IN THE HOUSE OR THE

YOU, EITHER IN THE HOUSE OR THE
SENATE.

SENATE.
HE'S DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME.

HE'S DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME.
HIS ADVICE IS TO TAKE SOME OF

HIS ADVICE IS TO TAKE SOME OF
THE POSITIONS WITH REGARD TO

THE POSITIONS WITH REGARD TO
HOUSE WITH REGARD TO SPENDING

HOUSE WITH REGARD TO SPENDING
AND DEBT AND DEFICIT AND WORK ON

AND DEBT AND DEFICIT AND WORK ON
THOSE IN THE SENATE.

THOSE IN THE SENATE.
>> MY FULL UNEDITED INTERVIEW

>> MY FULL UNEDITED INTERVIEW
WITH SENATOR FLAKE IS ON YOUR

WITH SENATOR FLAKE IS ON YOUR
WEBSITE, A.