>>> A ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEW WITH
THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR

THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR
ARIZONA GOVERNOR.

ARIZONA GOVERNOR.
>> CRITICAL MOMENT IN THE STATE

>> CRITICAL MOMENT IN THE STATE
OF ARIZONA AND I LOVE THIS

OF ARIZONA AND I LOVE THIS
STATE.

STATE.
I BELIEVE THIS IS A PIONEERING

I BELIEVE THIS IS A PIONEERING
STATE.

STATE.
WHEN I GREW UP HERE IN TUCSON,

WHEN I GREW UP HERE IN TUCSON,
ARIZONA WAS A PLACE THAT

ARIZONA WAS A PLACE THAT
EVERYONE WANTED TO COME.

EVERYONE WANTED TO COME.
BECAUSE IT WAS HAPPENING HERE.

BECAUSE IT WAS HAPPENING HERE.
>> AND THE REPORTER ROUNDTABLE

>> AND THE REPORTER ROUNDTABLE
WITH AN ANALYSIS OF THE UPCOMING

WITH AN ANALYSIS OF THE UPCOMING
RACE.

RACE.
>> THAT PRIMARY, THAT DUCEY JUST

>> THAT PRIMARY, THAT DUCEY JUST
WON, THAT WAS PRETTY BRUTAL.

WON, THAT WAS PRETTY BRUTAL.
A LOT OF MUD SLINGING.

A LOT OF MUD SLINGING.
I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE

I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE
ALL THAT MUCH AS WE HEAD TOWARDS

ALL THAT MUCH AS WE HEAD TOWARDS
NOVEMBER.

NOVEMBER.
>> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK."

>> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK."
FRED DuVAL IS ARIZONA'S

FRED DuVAL IS ARIZONA'S
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR

DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR
GOVERNOR.

GOVERNOR.
TWO MONTHS UNTIL VOTERS HEAD TO

TWO MONTHS UNTIL VOTERS HEAD TO
THE POLLS, HE IS ON THE CAMPAIGN

THE POLLS, HE IS ON THE CAMPAIGN
TRAIL AND MAKING STOPS ALL OVER

TRAIL AND MAKING STOPS ALL OVER
THE STATE, INCLUDING AN

THE STATE, INCLUDING AN
INTERVIEW WITH ARIZONA PUBLIC

INTERVIEW WITH ARIZONA PUBLIC
MEDIA STUDIOS IN TUCSON.

MEDIA STUDIOS IN TUCSON.
FRED DuVAL, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE

FRED DuVAL, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE
FOR GOVERNOR, THANK YOU FOR

FOR GOVERNOR, THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE.

BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> LET'S GET TO IT.

>> LET'S GET TO IT.
ONE OF YOUR MAJOR PLATFORMS IS

ONE OF YOUR MAJOR PLATFORMS IS
EDUCATION.

EDUCATION.
YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE

YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
EDUCATION SYSTEM IN THIS STATE.

EDUCATION SYSTEM IN THIS STATE.
>> WE HAVE TO STOP THE CUTS.

>> WE HAVE TO STOP THE CUTS.
WE CUT DEEPER THAN ANY OTHER

WE CUT DEEPER THAN ANY OTHER
STATE IN THE UNITED STATES AND

STATE IN THE UNITED STATES AND
WE HAVE NOW SEEN THE RESULTS OF

WE HAVE NOW SEEN THE RESULTS OF
THAT DECISION.

THAT DECISION.
WE LOSE ONE-THIRD OF THE

WE LOSE ONE-THIRD OF THE
TEACHERS EVERY YEAR.

TEACHERS EVERY YEAR.
WE HAVE THE LARGEST CLASS SIZES

WE HAVE THE LARGEST CLASS SIZES
IN THE UNITED STATES.

IN THE UNITED STATES.
THESE ARE NOT OPTIMAL FOR

THESE ARE NOT OPTIMAL FOR
STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT ACROSS EVERY

STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT ACROSS EVERY
SCHOOL.

SCHOOL.
WE'RE BALKANIZING THE SYSTEM.

WE'RE BALKANIZING THE SYSTEM.
SOME HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY THAN

SOME HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY THAN
OTHERS.

OTHERS.
I'M IN FAVOR OF A CHOICE

I'M IN FAVOR OF A CHOICE
ENVIRONMENT.

ENVIRONMENT.
I THINK PARENTS SHOULD HAVE A

I THINK PARENTS SHOULD HAVE A
CHOICE, BUT A GOOD CHOICE AND A

CHOICE, BUT A GOOD CHOICE AND A
GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE KIND

GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE KIND
OF EDUCATION WE WANT.

OF EDUCATION WE WANT.
SO WE HAVE THE SKILL SETS FOR

SO WE HAVE THE SKILL SETS FOR
THE CHILDREN OF THE FUTURE.

THE CHILDREN OF THE FUTURE.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO

>> WHEN IT COMES TO
SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS HOW DO YOU

SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS HOW DO YOU
COMPARE TO KIDS IN BORDER TOWNS

COMPARE TO KIDS IN BORDER TOWNS
LIKE DOUGLAS AND HOW DO THEY GET

LIKE DOUGLAS AND HOW DO THEY GET
EDUCATION IN THE PREMIERE

EDUCATION IN THE PREMIERE
SCHOOLS IN THE PHOENIX AREA?

SCHOOLS IN THE PHOENIX AREA?
>> IT'S A TOUGH AREA, AND SCHOOL

>> IT'S A TOUGH AREA, AND SCHOOL
EQUALIZATION, WE HAVE TO ENSURE

EQUALIZATION, WE HAVE TO ENSURE
WE CAN KEEP GOOD TEACHERS AND

WE CAN KEEP GOOD TEACHERS AND
HAVE CLASSROOMS THAT ARE

HAVE CLASSROOMS THAT ARE
EFFECTIVE.

EFFECTIVE.
IT IS REALLY THE TEACHER

IT IS REALLY THE TEACHER
SITUATION IS REALLY I WANT TO

SITUATION IS REALLY I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE ONE-THIRD OF THE

EMPHASIZE ONE-THIRD OF THE
TEACHERS EVERY YEAR.

TEACHERS EVERY YEAR.
THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENTS

THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENTS
DESCRIBE SEVENTH GRADE MATH

DESCRIBE SEVENTH GRADE MATH
WHERE THEY CAN'T GET A MATH

WHERE THEY CAN'T GET A MATH
TEACHER, SO THEY GET SUBSTITUTE

TEACHER, SO THEY GET SUBSTITUTE
TEACHERS BY THE WEEK.

TEACHERS BY THE WEEK.
DIFFERENT TEACHERS.

DIFFERENT TEACHERS.
REALLY NOT IDEAL AT ALL.

REALLY NOT IDEAL AT ALL.
AND RURAL ARIZONA IS

AND RURAL ARIZONA IS
PARTICULARLY CHALLENGED.

PARTICULARLY CHALLENGED.
THE FUNDING FORMULA IS NOT FAIR

THE FUNDING FORMULA IS NOT FAIR
TO THEM ON THAT END.

TO THEM ON THAT END.
I THINK THAT TALENT IS EQUALLY

I THINK THAT TALENT IS EQUALLY
DISTRIBUTED, BUT OPPORTUNITY IS

DISTRIBUTED, BUT OPPORTUNITY IS
NOT.

NOT.
OUR REAL GOOD IS HOW DO YOU

OUR REAL GOOD IS HOW DO YOU
CLOSE THE GAP SO THAT EVERY

CLOSE THE GAP SO THAT EVERY
CHILD NO MATTER WHERE THEY START

CHILD NO MATTER WHERE THEY START
IN LIFE HAS THE FULL OPPORTUNITY

IN LIFE HAS THE FULL OPPORTUNITY
TO BRING THEIR GOD GIVEN TALENTS

TO BRING THEIR GOD GIVEN TALENTS
INTO OUR ECONOMY AND INTO OUR

INTO OUR ECONOMY AND INTO OUR
LIVES.

LIVES.
>> HOW DO YOU CONVINCE RECENT

>> HOW DO YOU CONVINCE RECENT
GRADUATES OF THE ARIZONA

GRADUATES OF THE ARIZONA
UNIVERSITIES TO GO AND LIVE IN

UNIVERSITIES TO GO AND LIVE IN
REMOTE AREAS?

REMOTE AREAS?
>> IT'S A CHALLENGE IN RURAL

>> IT'S A CHALLENGE IN RURAL
AREAS BUT WHAT'S A BIGGER

AREAS BUT WHAT'S A BIGGER
CHALLENGE THAN THAT IS EVEN

CHALLENGE THAN THAT IS EVEN
STAYING IN ARIZONA.

STAYING IN ARIZONA.
I WAS AT A CLEAR HERE OF U OF A,

I WAS AT A CLEAR HERE OF U OF A,
I ASKED HOW MANY OF YOU LIVE

I ASKED HOW MANY OF YOU LIVE
HERE -- ARE FROM ADD?

HERE -- ARE FROM ADD?
TWO-THIRDS SAID YES.

TWO-THIRDS SAID YES.
THEN I SAID HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE

THEN I SAID HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE
MADE THE COMMITMENT TO STAY HERE

MADE THE COMMITMENT TO STAY HERE
FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES?

FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES?
THREE HANDS WENT UP.

THREE HANDS WENT UP.
I CALLED THE BOARD OF REGENTS

I CALLED THE BOARD OF REGENTS
WHERE I USED TO SERVE AS

WHERE I USED TO SERVE AS
CHAIRMAN, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT

CHAIRMAN, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT
THE DEPARTURE RATE OF GRADUATES?

THE DEPARTURE RATE OF GRADUATES?
IT'S BECOMING A RECORD LEVEL.

IT'S BECOMING A RECORD LEVEL.
SO WE'RE LOSING TALENT NOT JUST

SO WE'RE LOSING TALENT NOT JUST
A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT

A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT
HELPS REVITALIZE RURAL ARIZONA,

HELPS REVITALIZE RURAL ARIZONA,
BUT WHETHER WE CAN KEEP IT IN

BUT WHETHER WE CAN KEEP IT IN
THE STATE OF ARIZONA OR WHETHER

THE STATE OF ARIZONA OR WHETHER
THEY'RE JUST COMPELLED BY THE

THEY'RE JUST COMPELLED BY THE
STRONGER ECONOMIES OF OTHER

STRONGER ECONOMIES OF OTHER
PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES AND

PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES AND
THIS LONG TERM BRAIN DRAIN AND

THIS LONG TERM BRAIN DRAIN AND
TALENT DRAIN IS GOING TO CAUSE

TALENT DRAIN IS GOING TO CAUSE
LONG TERM LOSS OF JOBS, LOSS OF

LONG TERM LOSS OF JOBS, LOSS OF
GROWTH, LOSS OF OPPORTUNITY AND

GROWTH, LOSS OF OPPORTUNITY AND
I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
>> HOW DO YOU CONVINCE THE

>> HOW DO YOU CONVINCE THE
LEGISLATURE TO START SPENDING

LEGISLATURE TO START SPENDING
MORE MONEY ON EDUCATION?

MORE MONEY ON EDUCATION?
>> THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS

>> THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS
CRITICAL.

CRITICAL.
I MAKE PRO -- I'M A PRO BUSINESS

I MAKE PRO -- I'M A PRO BUSINESS
GUY.

GUY.
WE HAVE TO GROW THE BUSINESS

WE HAVE TO GROW THE BUSINESS
ECONOMY IN ARIZONA.

ECONOMY IN ARIZONA.
I MEAN, COMPETITIVE TAX RATE.

I MEAN, COMPETITIVE TAX RATE.
REASONABLE REGULATORY SCHEME.

REASONABLE REGULATORY SCHEME.
BUT PROVIDING THE WORKFORCE THAT

BUT PROVIDING THE WORKFORCE THAT
WE NEED AND THE BUSINESS

WE NEED AND THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY IS THE FIRST NOW TO

COMMUNITY IS THE FIRST NOW TO
STEP UP AND SAY WE NEED MORE

STEP UP AND SAY WE NEED MORE
COLLEGE GRADUATES, WE NEED MORE

COLLEGE GRADUATES, WE NEED MORE
COMMUNITY COLLEGE GRADUATES WITH

COMMUNITY COLLEGE GRADUATES WITH
SKILLS TO COMPETE.

SKILLS TO COMPETE.
AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS

AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS
NOW READY TO SAY THAT'S OUR

NOW READY TO SAY THAT'S OUR
NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IN ARIZONA.

NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IN ARIZONA.
I AGREE WITH THAT.

I AGREE WITH THAT.
>> MOVING ON TO HIGHER EDUCATION

>> MOVING ON TO HIGHER EDUCATION
DURING YOUR TIME WITH THE BOARD

DURING YOUR TIME WITH THE BOARD
OF REGENTS, A NEW AD SAYS IT'S

OF REGENTS, A NEW AD SAYS IT'S
BECAUSE OF YOU THAT WE HAD

BECAUSE OF YOU THAT WE HAD
HIGHER TUITION FOR COLLEGE

HIGHER TUITION FOR COLLEGE
STUDENTS DURING THAT TIME.

STUDENTS DURING THAT TIME.
HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?
>> WE TOOK $400 MILLION OF CUTS

>> WE TOOK $400 MILLION OF CUTS
IN ONE YEAR.

IN ONE YEAR.
IT WAS DEVASTATING.

IT WAS DEVASTATING.
PEOPLE ACTUALLY SAID, LET'S

PEOPLE ACTUALLY SAID, LET'S
CLOSE CAMPUSES.

CLOSE CAMPUSES.
LET'S TELL STUDENTS THAT JUST A

LET'S TELL STUDENTS THAT JUST A
COUPLE OF COURSES SHORT OF THEIR

COUPLE OF COURSES SHORT OF THEIR
DEGREE, SORRY WE'RE GOING TO

DEGREE, SORRY WE'RE GOING TO
CLOSE THE DOOR ON YOU.

CLOSE THE DOOR ON YOU.
WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
WE SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO

WE SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO
THAT.

THAT.
WE SAID WE'LL CUT DEEPLY AND WE

WE SAID WE'LL CUT DEEPLY AND WE
DID.

DID.
WE CUT A DOLLAR OUT OF

WE CUT A DOLLAR OUT OF
OPERATIONS.

OPERATIONS.
YOU CAN TALK THE FOLKS AROUND

YOU CAN TALK THE FOLKS AROUND
THE U OF A AND OTHER CAMPUSES.

THE U OF A AND OTHER CAMPUSES.
DEVASTATING, DEEP CUTS.

DEVASTATING, DEEP CUTS.
BUT OUR BASIC PRINCIPAL IS WE'LL

BUT OUR BASIC PRINCIPAL IS WE'LL
KEEP THE DOORS OPEN.

KEEP THE DOORS OPEN.
WE INCREASED FINANCIAL AID

WE INCREASED FINANCIAL AID
DRAMATICALLY.

DRAMATICALLY.
INCREASED MORE FINANCIAL AID

INCREASED MORE FINANCIAL AID
THAN WE DID TUITION TO MAKE SURE

THAN WE DID TUITION TO MAKE SURE
THAT -- AND IN FACT THE DATA

THAT -- AND IN FACT THE DATA
SHOWS MORE MIDDLE AND LOWER

SHOWS MORE MIDDLE AND LOWER
CLASS KIDS THAT ARE GIFT AND

CLASS KIDS THAT ARE GIFT AND
SMART ARE IN OUR UNIVERSITIES

SMART ARE IN OUR UNIVERSITIES
TODAY THAN THEY WERE BEFORE.

TODAY THAN THEY WERE BEFORE.
SO WE SURVIVED THE CRISIS.

SO WE SURVIVED THE CRISIS.
WE HAD TO MAKE HARD CHOICES BOTH

WE HAD TO MAKE HARD CHOICES BOTH
IN THE CUTS AND IN THE TUITION.

IN THE CUTS AND IN THE TUITION.
WE HAD TO KEEP ACCESS OPEN.

WE HAD TO KEEP ACCESS OPEN.
I REALIZED THE TUITION RAISES

I REALIZED THE TUITION RAISES
HAVE GOT TO STOP.

HAVE GOT TO STOP.
AND SO I DESIGNED A NEW SYSTEM

AND SO I DESIGNED A NEW SYSTEM
CALLED AZ TRANSFER.COM WHICH IS

CALLED AZ TRANSFER.COM WHICH IS
A NOW A NATIONAL BEST PRACTICE

A NOW A NATIONAL BEST PRACTICE
AND ALLOWS STUDENTS TO TAKE

AND ALLOWS STUDENTS TO TAKE
CLASSES FROM BOTH UNIVERSITIES

CLASSES FROM BOTH UNIVERSITIES
AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES.

AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES.
GET THEIR DEGREE AT ONE-THIRD

GET THEIR DEGREE AT ONE-THIRD
LOWER COST.

LOWER COST.
AND AS CHAIRMAN OF THE REGENTS I

AND AS CHAIRMAN OF THE REGENTS I
PRODUCED THE FIRST ZERO TUITION

PRODUCED THE FIRST ZERO TUITION
INCREASE IN MODERN ARIZONA

INCREASE IN MODERN ARIZONA
HISTORY.

HISTORY.
SO WE MADE -- WE SURVIVED THE

SO WE MADE -- WE SURVIVED THE
CRISIS AND MADE LONG TERM CHANGE

CRISIS AND MADE LONG TERM CHANGE
TO ASSURE MORE PATHWAYS OF

TO ASSURE MORE PATHWAYS OF
ACCESS AT LOWER COST FOR MORE

ACCESS AT LOWER COST FOR MORE
STUDENTS.

STUDENTS.
>> DuVAL SERVED ON THE ARIZONA

>> DuVAL SERVED ON THE ARIZONA
BOARD OF REGENTS FROM 2006 TO

BOARD OF REGENTS FROM 2006 TO
2012.

2012.
AND DURING THAT TIME, TUITION AT

AND DURING THAT TIME, TUITION AT
ARIZONA UNIVERSITIES

ARIZONA UNIVERSITIES
APPROXIMATELY DOUBLED.

APPROXIMATELY DOUBLED.
THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS

THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS
ASSOCIATION TOOK OUT AN AD

ASSOCIATION TOOK OUT AN AD
ATTACKING DuVAL FOR THOSE VOTES.

ATTACKING DuVAL FOR THOSE VOTES.
HE POINTS OUT THE STATE REDUCED

HE POINTS OUT THE STATE REDUCED
FUNDING TO ARIZONA UNIVERSITY

FUNDING TO ARIZONA UNIVERSITY
DURING THAT TIME PERIOD AS WELL.

DURING THAT TIME PERIOD AS WELL.
HERE'S MORE OF MY INTERVIEW WITH

HERE'S MORE OF MY INTERVIEW WITH
THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, FRED

THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, FRED
DuVAL.

DuVAL.
LET'S MOVE ON TO ARIZONA'S

LET'S MOVE ON TO ARIZONA'S
ECONOMY.

ECONOMY.
IT'S STRUGGLING, $800 MILLION

IT'S STRUGGLING, $800 MILLION
DEFICIT PROJECTED.

DEFICIT PROJECTED.
IT COULD GROW.

IT COULD GROW.
BEFORE YOU OR MR. DUCEY TAKES

BEFORE YOU OR MR. DUCEY TAKES
OFFICE.

OFFICE.
HOW DO YOU PLAN TO SHRINK THAT

HOW DO YOU PLAN TO SHRINK THAT
NUMBER?

NUMBER?
IT IS HUGE.

IT IS HUGE.
>> IT IS HUGE.

>> IT IS HUGE.
AND OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS NOT

AND OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS NOT
AT ALL WHAT WE'RE USED TO.

AT ALL WHAT WE'RE USED TO.
LET ME GIVE YOU SOME STATISTICS

LET ME GIVE YOU SOME STATISTICS
ABOUT THAT.

ABOUT THAT.
WE ARE ONE OF ONLY A HANDFUL OF

WE ARE ONE OF ONLY A HANDFUL OF
STATES THAT HASN'T REGAINED THE

STATES THAT HASN'T REGAINED THE
FULL ECONOMIC STRENGTH FROM

FULL ECONOMIC STRENGTH FROM
BEFORE THE RECESSION.

BEFORE THE RECESSION.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE HAVE LOST

WHAT'S HAPPENING IS WE HAVE LOST
MIDDLE CLASS WORKING FAMILY

MIDDLE CLASS WORKING FAMILY
JOBS.

JOBS.
WE HAVE INCREASED MINIMUM WAGE

WE HAVE INCREASED MINIMUM WAGE
JOBS.

JOBS.
MANY OF THE FOLKS MOVED FROM ONE

MANY OF THE FOLKS MOVED FROM ONE
TO TAKING TWO OF THE OTHER.

TO TAKING TWO OF THE OTHER.
AND SO THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IS

AND SO THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IS
REALLY STAGNANT.

REALLY STAGNANT.
AND THIS IS A LONG TERM

AND THIS IS A LONG TERM
CONTAMINANT ON OUR ABILITY TO

CONTAMINANT ON OUR ABILITY TO
GROW THE ECONOMY.

GROW THE ECONOMY.
WE NEED A NUMBER OF THINGS.

WE NEED A NUMBER OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, IN THE UNIVERSITY

NUMBER ONE, IN THE UNIVERSITY
SPACE AND IN THE RESEARCH AND

SPACE AND IN THE RESEARCH AND
DEVELOPMENT SPACE, WE NEED MORE

DEVELOPMENT SPACE, WE NEED MORE
INNOVATION, DISCOVERRY.

INNOVATION, DISCOVERRY.
WE NEED MORE ACTIVITY IN THE NEW

WE NEED MORE ACTIVITY IN THE NEW
PRODUCTS AND IDEAS THAT WILL

PRODUCTS AND IDEAS THAT WILL
DRIVE 21st CENTURY EXPORTS AND

DRIVE 21st CENTURY EXPORTS AND
CONSUMER PURCHASES.

CONSUMER PURCHASES.
THAT'S INCOME TO THE STATE OF

THAT'S INCOME TO THE STATE OF
ARIZONA.

ARIZONA.
SECOND, WE'RE A SMALL BUSINESS

SECOND, WE'RE A SMALL BUSINESS
STATE.

STATE.
WE NEED TO NURSE SMALL

WE NEED TO NURSE SMALL
BUSINESSES TO HEALTH FROM THE

BUSINESSES TO HEALTH FROM THE
DINING ROOM TABLE TO THE FIRST

DINING ROOM TABLE TO THE FIRST
LEASABLE SPACE.

LEASABLE SPACE.
WE LOSE TOO MANY SMALL

WE LOSE TOO MANY SMALL
BUSINESSES AT LAUNCH.

BUSINESSES AT LAUNCH.
WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ANY THAT -- A

WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ANY THAT -- A
NEW ECONOMY THAT MAKES SURE THEY

NEW ECONOMY THAT MAKES SURE THEY
CAN GET STARTED AND HAVE A

CAN GET STARTED AND HAVE A
STABLE GLIDE PATH TO BECOME

STABLE GLIDE PATH TO BECOME
EMPLOYERS AND THEN WE'LL GROW

EMPLOYERS AND THEN WE'LL GROW
OUR ECONOMY.

OUR ECONOMY.
>> HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK

>> HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK
EDUCATION AND THE ECONOMY BOUNCE

EDUCATION AND THE ECONOMY BOUNCE
OFF EACH OTHER?

OFF EACH OTHER?
>> I THINK THEY'RE COMPLETELY

>> I THINK THEY'RE COMPLETELY
INTERLINKED.

INTERLINKED.
I THINK IT'S THE MISSING LINK IN

I THINK IT'S THE MISSING LINK IN
OUR STRATEGY.

OUR STRATEGY.
WE HAVE -- WE HAVE BEEN VERY

WE HAVE -- WE HAVE BEEN VERY
AGGRESSIVE ON THE TAX REDUCTION

AGGRESSIVE ON THE TAX REDUCTION
SIDE.

SIDE.
WE HAVE LOWERED TAXES IN 23 OF

WE HAVE LOWERED TAXES IN 23 OF
THE LAST 24 YEARS AS A STRATEGY

THE LAST 24 YEARS AS A STRATEGY
TO GROW THE ECONOMY AND OUR

TO GROW THE ECONOMY AND OUR
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS NOW STILL

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS NOW STILL
ALMOST A POINT ABOVE THE

ALMOST A POINT ABOVE THE
NATIONAL AVERAGE.

NATIONAL AVERAGE.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT
COMPETITIVE TAXES AREN'T

COMPETITIVE TAXES AREN'T
IMPORTANT.

IMPORTANT.
IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING.

IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD
EDUCATION PLATFORM, PRODUCING

EDUCATION PLATFORM, PRODUCING
GOOD, SMART GRADUATES THAT ARE

GOOD, SMART GRADUATES THAT ARE
MOTIVATED AND READY TO PERFORM

MOTIVATED AND READY TO PERFORM
IN THE WORKPLACE.

IN THE WORKPLACE.
>> THERE MAY BE PEOPLE WATCHING

>> THERE MAY BE PEOPLE WATCHING
THIS INTERVIEW WHO SAY I LIVE IN

THIS INTERVIEW WHO SAY I LIVE IN
A RURAL ECONOMY.

A RURAL ECONOMY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR ME?

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR ME?
>> WE NEED A STATEWIDE STRATEGY.

>> WE NEED A STATEWIDE STRATEGY.
IT'S TOO URBAN CENTRIC TO BE

IT'S TOO URBAN CENTRIC TO BE
SURE.

SURE.
EACH COMMUNITY HAS ITS OWN

EACH COMMUNITY HAS ITS OWN
PARTICULAR ECONOMIC DESIGN, ITS

PARTICULAR ECONOMIC DESIGN, ITS
OWN CULTURAL DNA.

OWN CULTURAL DNA.
WE HAVE TO BE IN ALIGNMENT SO

WE HAVE TO BE IN ALIGNMENT SO
THAT THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY IN

THAT THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY IN
NORTHERN ARIZONA AND THE

NORTHERN ARIZONA AND THE
RANCHING INDUSTRY IN COCHISE

RANCHING INDUSTRY IN COCHISE
COUNTY IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

COUNTY IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
EACH HAS ITS OWN SPECIAL NEEDS

EACH HAS ITS OWN SPECIAL NEEDS
AND OUR STATE HAS TO HAVE A

AND OUR STATE HAS TO HAVE A
FULLY NUANCED AND FULLY THOUGHT

FULLY NUANCED AND FULLY THOUGHT
THROUGH STRATEGY AS TO HOW IT IS

THROUGH STRATEGY AS TO HOW IT IS
THAT WE GIVE THE COMMUNITIES,

THAT WE GIVE THE COMMUNITIES,
THE TOOLS, STATEWIDE IN TERMS OF

THE TOOLS, STATEWIDE IN TERMS OF
POLICY AND MICROSTRATEGIES THAT

POLICY AND MICROSTRATEGIES THAT
ARE TARGETED TO MAKE SURE EACH

ARE TARGETED TO MAKE SURE EACH
ECONOMY HAS A CHANCE TO GROW.

ECONOMY HAS A CHANCE TO GROW.
>> ALL TOO OFTEN WE HEAR THAT

>> ALL TOO OFTEN WE HEAR THAT
ARIZONA NEEDS TO BE SECURED.

ARIZONA NEEDS TO BE SECURED.
WHAT IS ARIZONA'S ROLE IN

WHAT IS ARIZONA'S ROLE IN
SECURING THE BORDER?

SECURING THE BORDER?
>> I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

>> I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.
IT IS A -- IT'S OBVIOUSLY

IT IS A -- IT'S OBVIOUSLY
COMPLEX BECAUSE THERE'S AN

COMPLEX BECAUSE THERE'S AN
IMPORTANT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

IMPORTANT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
ROLE.

ROLE.
I JOINED REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP

I JOINED REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP
JOHN McCAIN AND SENATOR FLAKE

JOHN McCAIN AND SENATOR FLAKE
AND OTHERS THAT GET AFTER A

AND OTHERS THAT GET AFTER A
BIPARTISAN STRATEGY AT THE

BIPARTISAN STRATEGY AT THE
FEDERAL ROLE WHICH IS INCREASING

FEDERAL ROLE WHICH IS INCREASING
THE BORDER PATROL, INCREASING

THE BORDER PATROL, INCREASING
THE CUSTOMS DEPARTMENT.

THE CUSTOMS DEPARTMENT.
INCREASING FEDERAL SURVEILLANCE

INCREASING FEDERAL SURVEILLANCE
ON THE BORDER SO THAT WE CAN

ON THE BORDER SO THAT WE CAN
CREATE SECURITY ALONG THE

CREATE SECURITY ALONG THE
BORDER.

BORDER.
THE STATE HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE

THE STATE HAS ITS OWN UNIQUE
ROLE, PARTICULARLY DEALING WITH

ROLE, PARTICULARLY DEALING WITH
THE CARTELS, THE BAD ACTORS.

THE CARTELS, THE BAD ACTORS.
WE HAVE TOOLS IN THE BANKING

WE HAVE TOOLS IN THE BANKING
DEPARTMENT, IN THE STATUTES TO

DEPARTMENT, IN THE STATUTES TO
TRY AND REALLY BREAK THE

TRY AND REALLY BREAK THE
FINANCING OF THE CARTELS AND WE

FINANCING OF THE CARTELS AND WE
HAVE TO DO THAT.

HAVE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE AN EMPLOYER SANCTION LAW

WE HAVE AN EMPLOYER SANCTION LAW
IN ARIZONA THAT I THINK NEEDS TO

IN ARIZONA THAT I THINK NEEDS TO
BE ENFORCED AS PART OF THE WAY

BE ENFORCED AS PART OF THE WAY
OF DISCOURAGING THE MIGRATION.

OF DISCOURAGING THE MIGRATION.
THERE ARE SOME STATES -- WE HAVE

THERE ARE SOME STATES -- WE HAVE
TO ADEQUATELY FUND OUR STATE

TO ADEQUATELY FUND OUR STATE
POLICE.

POLICE.
OUR STATE POLICE WORKS FOR THE

OUR STATE POLICE WORKS FOR THE
LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ALONG THE

LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ALONG THE
BORDER COMMUNITIES AND WE NEED

BORDER COMMUNITIES AND WE NEED
TO FULLY RESOURCE THE POLICE TO

TO FULLY RESOURCE THE POLICE TO
DO THEIR JOB AS WELL.

DO THEIR JOB AS WELL.
>> FUNDING AND RESOURCE ALL

>> FUNDING AND RESOURCE ALL
SOUNDS VERY EXPENSIVE.

SOUNDS VERY EXPENSIVE.
HOW DO YOU SELL THE LEGISLATURE

HOW DO YOU SELL THE LEGISLATURE
ON THAT?

ON THAT?
>> THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO GROW,

>> THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO GROW,
AND THE BIG DEBATE DO WE DO WE

AND THE BIG DEBATE DO WE DO WE
INCOME TAX REPEAL OR CORPORATE

INCOME TAX REPEAL OR CORPORATE
INCOME TAX REPEAL WHICH IS 40%

INCOME TAX REPEAL WHICH IS 40%
OF THE STATE BUDGET.

OF THE STATE BUDGET.
DOUG'S PROPOSAL TO ABOLISH THE

DOUG'S PROPOSAL TO ABOLISH THE
INCOME TAX, IT'S VERY

INCOME TAX, IT'S VERY
ATTRACTIVE.

ATTRACTIVE.
I'D LOVE TO PANDER AND SAY NO

I'D LOVE TO PANDER AND SAY NO
MORE TAXES FOR ANYONE.

MORE TAXES FOR ANYONE.
IT IS MORE THAN ALL THE MONEY WE

IT IS MORE THAN ALL THE MONEY WE
CURRENTLY SPEND ON K-12

CURRENTLY SPEND ON K-12
EDUCATION.

EDUCATION.
MEANWHILE THE COURT HAS SAID IN

MEANWHILE THE COURT HAS SAID IN
THE NEW DECISION, THE VOTERS

THE NEW DECISION, THE VOTERS
ARE -- HAVE INSISTED THAT THE

ARE -- HAVE INSISTED THAT THE
LEGISLATURE FUND EDUCATION,

LEGISLATURE FUND EDUCATION,
GROWING WITH THE RATE OF

GROWING WITH THE RATE OF
INFLATION.

INFLATION.
THE LEGISLATURE HASN'T DONE IT.

THE LEGISLATURE HASN'T DONE IT.
NOW THE ISSUE IS ARE WE GOING TO

NOW THE ISSUE IS ARE WE GOING TO
KEEP APPEALING THIS DECISION

KEEP APPEALING THIS DECISION
WHICH DOUG WANTS TO DO OR ARE WE

WHICH DOUG WANTS TO DO OR ARE WE
GOING TO ENFORCE THIS DECISION

GOING TO ENFORCE THIS DECISION
AND GET ON WITH INVESTING IN OUR

AND GET ON WITH INVESTING IN OUR
KIDS' SCHOOLS?

KIDS' SCHOOLS?
THAT'S THE PATH I TAKE.

THAT'S THE PATH I TAKE.
AND I JOIN WITH PARENTS AND

AND I JOIN WITH PARENTS AND
TEACHERS ALL OVER THE STATE IN

TEACHERS ALL OVER THE STATE IN
SAYING, DOUG, REVERSE YOUR

SAYING, DOUG, REVERSE YOUR
OPINION ON THIS.

OPINION ON THIS.
LET'S STOP APPEALING AND START

LET'S STOP APPEALING AND START
FUNDING OUR SCHOOLS AGAIN.

FUNDING OUR SCHOOLS AGAIN.
>> LET'S GO BACK TO THE BORDER,

>> LET'S GO BACK TO THE BORDER,
YOU HAVE BEEN IN COCHISE AREA.

YOU HAVE BEEN IN COCHISE AREA.
DO YOU THINK THE BORDER IS

DO YOU THINK THE BORDER IS
SECURE?

SECURE?
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S PERFECTLY

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S PERFECTLY
SECURE, AND WE HAVE TO DO MORE

SECURE, AND WE HAVE TO DO MORE
TO ENSURE IT IS SECURE.

TO ENSURE IT IS SECURE.
AS WELL AS MAKE SURE THERE ARE

AS WELL AS MAKE SURE THERE ARE
CRITICAL TRADING RELATIONSHIP

CRITICAL TRADING RELATIONSHIP
WITH MEXICO -- YOU KNOW, TEXAS'S

WITH MEXICO -- YOU KNOW, TEXAS'S
TRADE RATE WITH MEXICO IS

TRADE RATE WITH MEXICO IS
SIGNIFICANTLY OUTPACING US.

SIGNIFICANTLY OUTPACING US.
THE NEW DEEP WATER PORT IS A

THE NEW DEEP WATER PORT IS A
HUGE ASSET.

HUGE ASSET.
MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE

MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THE
TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.

TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.
THE PORT OF ENTRY IS A

THE PORT OF ENTRY IS A
BOTTLENECK.

BOTTLENECK.
WE'VE GOT TO GET AFTER THE

WE'VE GOT TO GET AFTER THE
INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT WE CAN

INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT WE CAN
FULLY EMBRACE THE GROWING MIDDLE

FULLY EMBRACE THE GROWING MIDDLE
CLASS IN MEXICO, THAT IS A

CLASS IN MEXICO, THAT IS A
MARKET FOR US.

MARKET FOR US.
SO GETTING BORDER SECURITY RIGHT

SO GETTING BORDER SECURITY RIGHT
AND GETTING THE TRADE

AND GETTING THE TRADE
RELATIONSHIP RIGHT IS A CRITICAL

RELATIONSHIP RIGHT IS A CRITICAL
TWO-PART STRATEGY.

TWO-PART STRATEGY.
>> FRED DuVAL SERVED ON THE

>> FRED DuVAL SERVED ON THE
ARIZONA BOARD OF REGENTS, THE

ARIZONA BOARD OF REGENTS, THE
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE

DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
AND IN THE '90s WORKED IN THE

AND IN THE '90s WORKED IN THE
CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.

CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.
HE'S A HUSBAND, A FATHER, AND

HE'S A HUSBAND, A FATHER, AND
THE 59-YEAR-OLD SAYS HIS

THE 59-YEAR-OLD SAYS HIS
EXPERIENCE MAKES HIM QUALIFIED

EXPERIENCE MAKES HIM QUALIFIED
TO BE ARIZONA'S NEXT GOVERNOR.

TO BE ARIZONA'S NEXT GOVERNOR.
YOU'VE BEEN A BIT OF A BEHIND

YOU'VE BEEN A BIT OF A BEHIND
THE SCENES GUY WHEN IT COMES TO

THE SCENES GUY WHEN IT COMES TO
POLITICS.

POLITICS.
NOW YOU'RE REALLY PUTTING

NOW YOU'RE REALLY PUTTING
YOURSELF OUT THERE.

YOURSELF OUT THERE.
YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN

YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN
POLITICS SINCE YOUR 20s.

POLITICS SINCE YOUR 20s.
WHY NOW?

WHY NOW?
>> IT'S -- A CRITICAL MOMENT IN

>> IT'S -- A CRITICAL MOMENT IN
THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND I LOVE

THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND I LOVE
THIS STATE.

THIS STATE.
I BELIEVE THIS IS A PIONEERING

I BELIEVE THIS IS A PIONEERING
STATE.

STATE.
WHEN I GREW UP HERE IN TUCSON,

WHEN I GREW UP HERE IN TUCSON,
ARIZONA WAS A PLACE EVERYONE IN

ARIZONA WAS A PLACE EVERYONE IN
THE COUNTRY WANTED TO COME

THE COUNTRY WANTED TO COME
BECAUSE IT WAS HAPPENING HERE.

BECAUSE IT WAS HAPPENING HERE.
WE WERE INVENTING THINGS HERE.

WE WERE INVENTING THINGS HERE.
WHEN I WORKED WITH GOVERNOR

WHEN I WORKED WITH GOVERNOR
BABBITT WITH THE REPUBLICAN

BABBITT WITH THE REPUBLICAN
LEGISLATURE, WE HAD A BIG

LEGISLATURE, WE HAD A BIG
STRATEGIC GOAL.

STRATEGIC GOAL.
ACCESS TOOK TWO YEARS.

ACCESS TOOK TWO YEARS.
THE PHOENIX FREEWAY SYSTEM, ONE

THE PHOENIX FREEWAY SYSTEM, ONE
YEAR.

YEAR.
A BIG GOAL THAT WE WENT AFTER

A BIG GOAL THAT WE WENT AFTER
EACH YEAR.

EACH YEAR.
WE PUT THE PARTISAN POLITICS

WE PUT THE PARTISAN POLITICS
ASIDE AND LET'S STOP FIGHTING

ASIDE AND LET'S STOP FIGHTING
AND START FIXING.

AND START FIXING.
IT IS NOT GROWING THE KIND OF

IT IS NOT GROWING THE KIND OF
OPPORTUNITY THAT WE WANT AND OUR

OPPORTUNITY THAT WE WANT AND OUR
KIDS SOME ARE GETTING A GREAT

KIDS SOME ARE GETTING A GREAT
EDUCATION, SOME ARE NOT.

EDUCATION, SOME ARE NOT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE LIFT

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE LIFT
EVERY CHILD TO THEIR FULL

EVERY CHILD TO THEIR FULL
POTENTIAL.

POTENTIAL.
>> YOUR COMPETITOR, DOUG DUCEY

>> YOUR COMPETITOR, DOUG DUCEY
HAS TED CRUZ AND SARAH PALIN.

HAS TED CRUZ AND SARAH PALIN.
BUT YOU HAVE YOURS AS WELL.

BUT YOU HAVE YOURS AS WELL.
TELL US ABOUT SOME OF THE

TELL US ABOUT SOME OF THE
SUPPORT YOU'RE RECEIVING.

SUPPORT YOU'RE RECEIVING.
>> WELL, I HAVE A LOT OF

>> WELL, I HAVE A LOT OF
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND MY FIRST

BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND MY FIRST
AD IS GRANT WOODS.

AD IS GRANT WOODS.
FORMER REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY

FORMER REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY
GENERAL AND HE'S KNOWN ME MOST

GENERAL AND HE'S KNOWN ME MOST
OF MY LIFE.

OF MY LIFE.
HIS POINT IS, THIS GUY FRED

HIS POINT IS, THIS GUY FRED
DuVAL REALLY COLLABORATES WELL

DuVAL REALLY COLLABORATES WELL
ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS AROUND

ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS AROUND
BIG, STRATEGIC GOALS.

BIG, STRATEGIC GOALS.
I HAVE WATCHED HIM MY WHOLE

I HAVE WATCHED HIM MY WHOLE
LIFE.

LIFE.
AFTER THE PARTISAN FIGHTING THAT

AFTER THE PARTISAN FIGHTING THAT
HAD GOTTEN INTO A LOT OF THIS

HAD GOTTEN INTO A LOT OF THIS
MESS IT'S TIME FOR THIS

MESS IT'S TIME FOR THIS
LEADERSHIP.

LEADERSHIP.
JAN BREWER'S BEST PART IS WHEN

JAN BREWER'S BEST PART IS WHEN
SHE LED THE BIPARTISAN EFFORTS

SHE LED THE BIPARTISAN EFFORTS
AROUND MEDICAID EXPANSION AND

AROUND MEDICAID EXPANSION AND
EXPECTATIONS IN EDUCATION,

EXPECTATIONS IN EDUCATION,
COMMON CORE.

COMMON CORE.
THAT'S THE KIND OF TRADITION I

THAT'S THE KIND OF TRADITION I
COME FROM.

COME FROM.
AND SARAH PALIN, TED CRUZ

AND SARAH PALIN, TED CRUZ
PARTISAN POLITICS, I DON'T

PARTISAN POLITICS, I DON'T
EMBRACE IT IN THE DEMOCRATIC

EMBRACE IT IN THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY.

PARTY.
DOUG DOES EMBRACE IT, AND THAT'S

DOUG DOES EMBRACE IT, AND THAT'S
POLITICS THAT ALIENATES PEOPLE

POLITICS THAT ALIENATES PEOPLE
AND WHY THERE ARE SO MANY

AND WHY THERE ARE SO MANY
INDEPENDENTS.

INDEPENDENTS.
THEY'RE REGISTERED.

THEY'RE REGISTERED.
THEY CARE ABOUT THE STATE.

THEY CARE ABOUT THE STATE.
THEY CARE ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

THEY CARE ABOUT THESE ISSUES.
THEY'RE SICK OF THE PARTISAN

THEY'RE SICK OF THE PARTISAN
POLITICS WHICH IS NOT ADDRESSING

POLITICS WHICH IS NOT ADDRESSING
OUR NEEDS.

OUR NEEDS.
>> ON THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE,

>> ON THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE,
IT APPEARS THAT ARIZONA IS A BIT

IT APPEARS THAT ARIZONA IS A BIT
OF A REPUBLICAN STRONG HOLD.

OF A REPUBLICAN STRONG HOLD.
HOW DO YOU HOPE TO CHANGE THAT?

HOW DO YOU HOPE TO CHANGE THAT?
>> WELL, TWO THINGS.

>> WELL, TWO THINGS.
FIRST IS WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY

FIRST IS WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY
ELECTED DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS.

ELECTED DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS.
SECOND, I JUST I NO LONGER THINK

SECOND, I JUST I NO LONGER THINK
THE REPUBLICAN AND THE

THE REPUBLICAN AND THE
DEMOCRATIC TAGS IS THE WAY THAT

DEMOCRATIC TAGS IS THE WAY THAT
PEOPLE LOOK AT POLITICS.

PEOPLE LOOK AT POLITICS.
THEY WANT PROBLEM SOLVING.

THEY WANT PROBLEM SOLVING.
THEY WANT LEADERS.

THEY WANT LEADERS.
THEY CALL IT THE WAY THEY SEE

THEY CALL IT THE WAY THEY SEE
IT.

IT.
INDEPENDENT MINDED.

INDEPENDENT MINDED.
THEY PUT THE STATE FIRST, FIGHT

THEY PUT THE STATE FIRST, FIGHT
THE STATE'S BATTLE AGAINST

THE STATE'S BATTLE AGAINST
WASHINGTON WHEN IT'S NECESSARY.

WASHINGTON WHEN IT'S NECESSARY.
PUTS PARTISAN POLITICS ASIDE

PUTS PARTISAN POLITICS ASIDE
WHEN IT'S NECESSARY.

WHEN IT'S NECESSARY.
GETS THE JOB DONE, AND GETS --

GETS THE JOB DONE, AND GETS --
HAS THE DISCIPLINE TO SAY,

HAS THE DISCIPLINE TO SAY,
ENOUGH OF THE RED VERSUS BLUE.

ENOUGH OF THE RED VERSUS BLUE.
ENOUGH OF THE SHARP STICKS.

ENOUGH OF THE SHARP STICKS.
IT'S JUST -- IT'S NOT ADDRESSING

IT'S JUST -- IT'S NOT ADDRESSING
OUR ECONOMIC AND EDUCATION

OUR ECONOMIC AND EDUCATION
NEEDS.

NEEDS.
I PLAN TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY.

I PLAN TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY.
>> MR. DuVAL, DO YOU HAVE

>> MR. DuVAL, DO YOU HAVE
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?

ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?
>> ONE OTHER THING.

>> ONE OTHER THING.
YOU KNOW, MY THREE PRIORITIES, I

YOU KNOW, MY THREE PRIORITIES, I
TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION, I TALKED

TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION, I TALKED
ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

ABOUT THE ECONOMY.
LET ME ADDRESS ONE FINAL THING.

LET ME ADDRESS ONE FINAL THING.
WE HAVE BECOME AN ETHICAL

WE HAVE BECOME AN ETHICAL
NIGHTMARE.

NIGHTMARE.
WE ARE NATIONALLY AND GLOBALLY

WE ARE NATIONALLY AND GLOBALLY
KNOWN FOR OUR POLITICS OF

KNOWN FOR OUR POLITICS OF
DYSFUNCTION.

DYSFUNCTION.
FOR POLITICIANS THAT ARE DEALING

FOR POLITICIANS THAT ARE DEALING
WITH PAY BACKS AND SELF-INTEREST

WITH PAY BACKS AND SELF-INTEREST
AND IT HAS REALLY HURT OUR AND

AND IT HAS REALLY HURT OUR AND
TO RECRUIT BUSINESSES AND

TO RECRUIT BUSINESSES AND
VENTURE CAPITAL.

VENTURE CAPITAL.
THE KIND OF GROWTH WE WANT.

THE KIND OF GROWTH WE WANT.
1062, 1070.

1062, 1070.
THESE IDEOLOGICAL AND

THESE IDEOLOGICAL AND
SELF-INTERESTED POLITICAL

SELF-INTERESTED POLITICAL
AGENDAS ARE IN THE WAY.

AGENDAS ARE IN THE WAY.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING
TO PURSUE IS AN INDEPENDENT

TO PURSUE IS AN INDEPENDENT
STATE ETHICS COMMISSION SO WE

STATE ETHICS COMMISSION SO WE
HAVE NONPARTISAN, NONPOLITICAL

HAVE NONPARTISAN, NONPOLITICAL
FOLKS WHO APPLY STATE LAW AND

FOLKS WHO APPLY STATE LAW AND
STATE POLITICIANS WHO ARE

STATE POLITICIANS WHO ARE
SELF-SERVING OR PLAYING GAMES,

SELF-SERVING OR PLAYING GAMES,
KNOCK IT OFF.

KNOCK IT OFF.
WE'LL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE AND

WE'LL HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE AND
TRY TO RESTORE CONFIDENCE IN

TRY TO RESTORE CONFIDENCE IN
STATE GOVERNMENT SO THAT VOTERS

STATE GOVERNMENT SO THAT VOTERS
CAN BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE

CAN BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE
KIND OF FUTURE WE ALL ASPIRE TO

KIND OF FUTURE WE ALL ASPIRE TO
IN THIS GREAT STATE.

IN THIS GREAT STATE.
>> YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE IMAGE

>> YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE IMAGE
OF ARIZONA.

OF ARIZONA.
>> IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

>> IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
IN A BORDERLESS ECONOMY, WHERE

IN A BORDERLESS ECONOMY, WHERE
STATE BORDERS AND NATIONAL

STATE BORDERS AND NATIONAL
BORDERS MEAN LESS AND LESS,

BORDERS MEAN LESS AND LESS,
WHERE VENTURE CAPITAL AND

WHERE VENTURE CAPITAL AND
BUSINESS GROWTH MOVES WHERE

BUSINESS GROWTH MOVES WHERE
OPPORTUNITY IS, BRAND MATTERS.

OPPORTUNITY IS, BRAND MATTERS.
WHEN YOU'RE VIEWED AS A STATE

WHEN YOU'RE VIEWED AS A STATE
THAT'S DYSFUNCTIONAL, THAT IS

THAT'S DYSFUNCTIONAL, THAT IS
OVERLY PARTISAN, THAT HAS

OVERLY PARTISAN, THAT HAS
POLITICALLY SELF-INTERESTED

POLITICALLY SELF-INTERESTED
POLITICIANS THAT DON'T PUT

POLITICIANS THAT DON'T PUT
ECONOMIC, SMART STRATEGIES

ECONOMIC, SMART STRATEGIES
FIRST, WE SUFFER AND WE'RE

FIRST, WE SUFFER AND WE'RE
WATCHING THAT IN OUR ECONOMY.

WATCHING THAT IN OUR ECONOMY.
BUSINESS GROWTH IS NOT COMING

BUSINESS GROWTH IS NOT COMING
BACK THE WAY WE WANT IT TO AND

BACK THE WAY WE WANT IT TO AND
BRAND REALLY MATTERS.

BRAND REALLY MATTERS.
I WANT ARIZONA TO BE KNOWN FOR

I WANT ARIZONA TO BE KNOWN FOR
WHAT I REALLY THINK IT IS.

WHAT I REALLY THINK IT IS.
AND INCLUSIVE, INVITING.

AND INCLUSIVE, INVITING.
PRO BUSINESS.

PRO BUSINESS.
A STATE THAT CELEBRATES OUR

A STATE THAT CELEBRATES OUR
DIVERSITY AND CELEBRATES THIS

DIVERSITY AND CELEBRATES THIS
UNIQUE STARTUP, INNOVATIVE,

UNIQUE STARTUP, INNOVATIVE,
WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH RISK.

WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH RISK.
WE COME FROM SOME PLACE ELSE.

WE COME FROM SOME PLACE ELSE.
WE START ANEW HERE.

WE START ANEW HERE.
THAT'S A WONDERFUL ASSET TO HAVE

THAT'S A WONDERFUL ASSET TO HAVE
IN THE 21st CENTURY ECONOMY AND

IN THE 21st CENTURY ECONOMY AND
WE SHOULD USE EVERY BIT OF IT.

WE SHOULD USE EVERY BIT OF IT.
>> AND JOINING ME NOW FOR THE

>> AND JOINING ME NOW FOR THE
ANALYSIS OF THE UPCOMING

ANALYSIS OF THE UPCOMING
GOVERNOR'S RACE, ARE JOE

GOVERNOR'S RACE, ARE JOE
FERGUSON, POLITICAL REPORTER AT

FERGUSON, POLITICAL REPORTER AT
THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR."

THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR."
AND JEREMY DUDA FROM THE ARIZONA

AND JEREMY DUDA FROM THE ARIZONA
CAPITAL TIMES.

CAPITAL TIMES.
HE'S JOINING US FROM FELIX.

HE'S JOINING US FROM FELIX.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
JOE, DuVAL SAID THAT EDUCATION

JOE, DuVAL SAID THAT EDUCATION
IS HIS PLATFORM AND HE'S

IS HIS PLATFORM AND HE'S
CONCERNED ABOUT THE STATE'S LACK

CONCERNED ABOUT THE STATE'S LACK
OF FUNDING FOR EDUCATION.

OF FUNDING FOR EDUCATION.
>> SURE.

>> SURE.
FRED DuVAL HAS AN AREA WHERE

FRED DuVAL HAS AN AREA WHERE
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT CAN

THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT CAN
BE DONE.

BE DONE.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE

SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
INTERESTED IN EDUCATION, SO IT

INTERESTED IN EDUCATION, SO IT
BECOMES A NATURAL FIT FOR A

BECOMES A NATURAL FIT FOR A
FORMER CHAIR OF THE ARIZONA

FORMER CHAIR OF THE ARIZONA
BOARD OF REGENTS TO TALK ABOUT,

BOARD OF REGENTS TO TALK ABOUT,
MAKING CHANGES TO EDUCATION.

MAKING CHANGES TO EDUCATION.
>> HE SAID SOME THINGS IN THE

>> HE SAID SOME THINGS IN THE
INTERVIEW ABOUT ARIZONA LOSING

INTERVIEW ABOUT ARIZONA LOSING
SO MANY TEACHERS THAT CLASS SIZE

SO MANY TEACHERS THAT CLASS SIZE
IS EXTRAORDINARILY LARGE.

IS EXTRAORDINARILY LARGE.
WE HAVE SOME TROUBLE BEING ABLE

WE HAVE SOME TROUBLE BEING ABLE
TO CONFIRM THE NUMBERS THAT

TO CONFIRM THE NUMBERS THAT
WE'RE HEARING BUT HE IS ON

WE'RE HEARING BUT HE IS ON
TRACK, I MEAN THE NUMBERS ARE

TRACK, I MEAN THE NUMBERS ARE
PRETTY BLEAK.

PRETTY BLEAK.
>> THEY'RE PRETTY BLEAK.

>> THEY'RE PRETTY BLEAK.
WE KNOW THERE'S HIGH TURNOVERS

WE KNOW THERE'S HIGH TURNOVERS
IN THE SCHOOLS.

IN THE SCHOOLS.
WE KNOW THERE'S LARGE CLASS

WE KNOW THERE'S LARGE CLASS
SIZES COMPARED TO THE REST OF

SIZES COMPARED TO THE REST OF
THE COUNTRY.

THE COUNTRY.
>> AND JEREMY, EDUCATION BEING

>> AND JEREMY, EDUCATION BEING
HIS PLATFORM, WHEREAS SOME OTHER

HIS PLATFORM, WHEREAS SOME OTHER
CANDIDATES, DOUG DUCEY TALKED OF

CANDIDATES, DOUG DUCEY TALKED OF
THE ECONOMY AND THE BORDER.

THE ECONOMY AND THE BORDER.
IS FRED DuVAL MAYBE GIVING

IS FRED DuVAL MAYBE GIVING
VOTERS THE RIGHT INFORMATION

VOTERS THE RIGHT INFORMATION
RIGHT NOW WHEN IT COMES TO

RIGHT NOW WHEN IT COMES TO
EDUCATION?

EDUCATION?
>> WELL, HE'S GOT A MESSAGE THAT

>> WELL, HE'S GOT A MESSAGE THAT
I THINK -- YOU KNOW, ITS REALLY

I THINK -- YOU KNOW, ITS REALLY
TOUCHES ON SOMETHING THAT A LOT

TOUCHES ON SOMETHING THAT A LOT
OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UPSET ABOUT

OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UPSET ABOUT
WHICH IS THE MASSIVE CUTS WE

WHICH IS THE MASSIVE CUTS WE
HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY

HAVE SEEN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY
SINCE -- STARTING IN 2009 AS A

SINCE -- STARTING IN 2009 AS A
RESULT OF THE RECESSION AND THE

RESULT OF THE RECESSION AND THE
MAJOR BUDGET CUTS.

MAJOR BUDGET CUTS.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT RESTORING,

HE'S TALKING ABOUT RESTORING,
YOU KNOW, EDUCATION BASICALLY TO

YOU KNOW, EDUCATION BASICALLY TO
THE 2008 LEVEL.

THE 2008 LEVEL.
WHICH IS TALL ORDER.

WHICH IS TALL ORDER.
BECAUSE THAT WAS AN ALL-TIME

BECAUSE THAT WAS AN ALL-TIME
RECORD HIGH.

RECORD HIGH.
RUNNING ON A MESSAGE OF NO MORE

RUNNING ON A MESSAGE OF NO MORE
EDUCATION CUTS.

EDUCATION CUTS.
AND I THINK EDUCATION IS GOING

AND I THINK EDUCATION IS GOING
TO PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN THE

TO PLAY A MAJOR ROLE IN THE
RACE.

RACE.
YOU SEE DOUG DUCEY TALKING ABOUT

YOU SEE DOUG DUCEY TALKING ABOUT
THIS AS WELL.

THIS AS WELL.
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THINGS HE'S

SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THINGS HE'S
TALKING MORE ABOUT CHARTER

TALKING MORE ABOUT CHARTER
SCHOOLS AND TRYING TO EMULATE

SCHOOLS AND TRYING TO EMULATE
THE BEST PRACTICES OF -- YOU

THE BEST PRACTICES OF -- YOU
KNOW, THE BEST DISTRICT AND

KNOW, THE BEST DISTRICT AND
CHARTER SCHOOLS.

CHARTER SCHOOLS.
BUT DuVAL HAS SEIZED ON

BUT DuVAL HAS SEIZED ON
EDUCATION AS HIS KEY ISSUE

EDUCATION AS HIS KEY ISSUE
THERE.

THERE.
>> ESPECIALLY I THINK LOOKING AT

>> ESPECIALLY I THINK LOOKING AT
THE RACE FOR SUPERINTENDENT

THE RACE FOR SUPERINTENDENT
PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, A VERY

PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, A VERY
CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT.

CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT.
THIS MAY BE FOR HIM THE RIGHT

THIS MAY BE FOR HIM THE RIGHT
TIME TO SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY,

TIME TO SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY,
JEREMY, WOULD YOU AGREE?

JEREMY, WOULD YOU AGREE?
>> DEFINITELY.

>> DEFINITELY.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMON CORE

ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMON CORE
STANDARDS OR THE COLLEGE AND

STANDARDS OR THE COLLEGE AND
CAREER READY STANDARDS.

CAREER READY STANDARDS.
YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE IS AT THE

YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE IS AT THE
FOREFRONT, YOU KNOW, FRED DuVAL

FOREFRONT, YOU KNOW, FRED DuVAL
IS VERY MUCH FOR THE STANDARDS.

IS VERY MUCH FOR THE STANDARDS.
DUCEY HAS SPOKEN OUT PRETTY

DUCEY HAS SPOKEN OUT PRETTY
VEHEMENTLY AGAINST THEM.

VEHEMENTLY AGAINST THEM.
THOUGH HE HASN'T COMMITTED TO

THOUGH HE HASN'T COMMITTED TO
GETTING RID OF THEM.

GETTING RID OF THEM.
I THINK THEY'LL TRY TO FIND

I THINK THEY'LL TRY TO FIND
OTHER AREAS OF EDUCATION BESIDES

OTHER AREAS OF EDUCATION BESIDES
THAT TO TALK ABOUT.

THAT TO TALK ABOUT.
THAT -- THE COMMON CORE

THAT -- THE COMMON CORE
STANDARDS HAVE DOMINATED EVERY

STANDARDS HAVE DOMINATED EVERY
CONVERSATION WE HAVE SEEN ON THE

CONVERSATION WE HAVE SEEN ON THE
CAMPAIGN TRAIL IN ALL KINDS OF

CAMPAIGN TRAIL IN ALL KINDS OF
RACES WHEN IT COMES TO K-12

RACES WHEN IT COMES TO K-12
EDUCATION.

EDUCATION.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER
ISSUES THERE IN THE FUNDING AND,

ISSUES THERE IN THE FUNDING AND,
YOU KNOW, EXPANDING CHARTER

YOU KNOW, EXPANDING CHARTER
SCHOOLS AND IMPROVING TEACHER

SCHOOLS AND IMPROVING TEACHER
PAY.

PAY.
A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT FRED

A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT FRED
DuVAL IS TALKING ABOUT.

DuVAL IS TALKING ABOUT.
>> LET'S MOVE ON TO HIGHER

>> LET'S MOVE ON TO HIGHER
EDUCATION.

EDUCATION.
JOE, HERE AT THE "ARIZONA DAILY

JOE, HERE AT THE "ARIZONA DAILY
STAR" YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING

STAR" YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING
SOME OF THE ADS COMING OUT.

SOME OF THE ADS COMING OUT.
ONE THAT CAME OUT RECENTLY

ONE THAT CAME OUT RECENTLY
PRETTY TERRIFYING FOR PEOPLE WHO

PRETTY TERRIFYING FOR PEOPLE WHO
MAY BE WATCHING THE LOCAL NEWS

MAY BE WATCHING THE LOCAL NEWS
AND SEE THAT SUDDENLY.

AND SEE THAT SUDDENLY.
TELL US ABOUT THIS AD.

TELL US ABOUT THIS AD.
>> WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

>> WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS AD TALKING

REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS AD TALKING
ABOUT EXPLAINING THE HIGHER

ABOUT EXPLAINING THE HIGHER
RATES OF TUITION, LINKING HIM TO

RATES OF TUITION, LINKING HIM TO
HIGHER EDUCATION WHEN HE WAS ON

HIGHER EDUCATION WHEN HE WAS ON
THE BOARD OF REGENTS BUT THE

THE BOARD OF REGENTS BUT THE
BOARD OF REGENTS IS TAKING MONEY

BOARD OF REGENTS IS TAKING MONEY
FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND

FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND
THE GOVERNOR AND PUTTING IT

THE GOVERNOR AND PUTTING IT
TOWARDS THE THREE UNIVERSITIES.

TOWARDS THE THREE UNIVERSITIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A QUESTION OF

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A QUESTION OF
THE CUTS CAME FROM THE

THE CUTS CAME FROM THE
LEGISLATURE.

LEGISLATURE.
AND SO THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S

AND SO THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S
ASSOCIATION IS MAKING THE

ASSOCIATION IS MAKING THE
COMPARISON SAYING THAT DuVAL IS

COMPARISON SAYING THAT DuVAL IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CUTS WHEN HE

RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CUTS WHEN HE
DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO

DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO
INCREASE TUITION -- OR INCREASE

INCREASE TUITION -- OR INCREASE
REVENUE COMING IN.

REVENUE COMING IN.
SO IT'S A BIG ISSUE.

SO IT'S A BIG ISSUE.
>> OKAY, LET'S LISTEN IN ON THAT

>> OKAY, LET'S LISTEN IN ON THAT
AD NOW.

AD NOW.
>> IT KEEPS PARENTS AWAKE AT

>> IT KEEPS PARENTS AWAKE AT
NIGHT.

NIGHT.
WORRYING ABOUT THE HIGH COST OF

WORRYING ABOUT THE HIGH COST OF
COLLEGE TUITION.

COLLEGE TUITION.
AND IT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY

AND IT GETS MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY
YEAR.

YEAR.
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR, BUT LOBBYIST

IT'S JUST NOT FAIR, BUT LOBBYIST
FRED DuVAL VOTED TO INCREASE

FRED DuVAL VOTED TO INCREASE
COLLEGE TUITION ON THE BOARD OF

COLLEGE TUITION ON THE BOARD OF
REGENTS.

REGENTS.
UNDER DuVAL TUITION AND FEES

UNDER DuVAL TUITION AND FEES
ROSE 99% DOUBLING THE PRICE OF

ROSE 99% DOUBLING THE PRICE OF
COLLEGE.

COLLEGE.
COSTING ARIZONA STUDENTS NEARLY

COSTING ARIZONA STUDENTS NEARLY
$5,000 MORE A YEAR.

$5,000 MORE A YEAR.
LOBBYIST FRED DuVAL MADE MIDDLE

LOBBYIST FRED DuVAL MADE MIDDLE
CLASS FAMILIES PAY MORE.

CLASS FAMILIES PAY MORE.
COME ON, FRED, THAT'S NOT FAIR.

COME ON, FRED, THAT'S NOT FAIR.
>> NOW, WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME

>> NOW, WE TOOK A LOOK AT SOME
OF THE NUMBERS.

OF THE NUMBERS.
IT'S NOT -- NOT TRUE.

IT'S NOT -- NOT TRUE.
IT IS TRUE, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE

IT IS TRUE, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE
COST FOR TUITION DID IN FACT GO

COST FOR TUITION DID IN FACT GO
UP.

UP.
>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> WE DID SEE THE STATE CREATE

>> WE DID SEE THE STATE CREATE
SOME FUNDING -- FUNDING CUTS

SOME FUNDING -- FUNDING CUTS
DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.

DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.
JEREMY, ADS LIKE THIS, DO THEY

JEREMY, ADS LIKE THIS, DO THEY
HELP OR HURT FRED WHO IS

HELP OR HURT FRED WHO IS
ACKNOWLEDGING, YES, THIS IS

ACKNOWLEDGING, YES, THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT WAS PART OF THE

SOMETHING THAT WAS PART OF THE
DEAL THAT HAD TO HAPPEN?

DEAL THAT HAD TO HAPPEN?
>> I MEAN, YEAH, PROBABLY DOES

>> I MEAN, YEAH, PROBABLY DOES
HURT.

HURT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT PARENT WANTS TO

YOU KNOW, WHAT PARENT WANTS TO
HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY

HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY
VOTED -- ASKING FOR THEIR VOTE,

VOTED -- ASKING FOR THEIR VOTE,
VOTED FOR ALL THE TUITION

VOTED FOR ALL THE TUITION
INCREASES.

INCREASES.
NOW OF COURSE, YOU KNOW,

NOW OF COURSE, YOU KNOW,
TECHNICALLY TRUE, BY SIDE STEPS

TECHNICALLY TRUE, BY SIDE STEPS
THAT MAJOR ISSUE BECAUSE, YOU

THAT MAJOR ISSUE BECAUSE, YOU
KNOW, MUCH LIKE K-12, BECAUSE OF

KNOW, MUCH LIKE K-12, BECAUSE OF
THE FISCAL CRISIS, THE

THE FISCAL CRISIS, THE
LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR BREWER

LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR BREWER
CUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS FROM

CUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS FROM
THE HIGHER EDUCATION BUDGET.

THE HIGHER EDUCATION BUDGET.
THE BOARD OF REGENTS, YOU KNOW,

THE BOARD OF REGENTS, YOU KNOW,
RESPONDED WITH ALL THESE TUITION

RESPONDED WITH ALL THESE TUITION
INCREASES.

INCREASES.
WHICH DID, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH

WHICH DID, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH
DOUBLE THE TUITION RATES.

DOUBLE THE TUITION RATES.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT

AND, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT
LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, HE

LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WELL, HE
DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE.

DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE.
OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, WELL,

OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT SAY, WELL,
YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T HAVE TO

YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T HAVE TO
RAISE IT SO MUCH.

RAISE IT SO MUCH.
BUT MOST OF THEM WERE

BUT MOST OF THEM WERE
AFTERWARDS.

AFTERWARDS.
BUT I THINK IT WILL BE AN

BUT I THINK IT WILL BE AN
EFFECTIVE HIT AND RIGHT NOW

EFFECTIVE HIT AND RIGHT NOW
UNFORTUNATELY FOR DuVAL, THE

UNFORTUNATELY FOR DuVAL, THE
RGA, THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS

RGA, THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS
ASSOCIATION, THEY'RE RUNNING A

ASSOCIATION, THEY'RE RUNNING A
LOT MORE ADS THAN HE'S RUNNING

LOT MORE ADS THAN HE'S RUNNING
RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW.
HE'S KIND OF AN UNKNOWN TO MOST

HE'S KIND OF AN UNKNOWN TO MOST
VOTERS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE A

VOTERS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE A
PRIMARY.

PRIMARY.
SO AS VOTERS ARE JUST STARTING

SO AS VOTERS ARE JUST STARTING
TO LEARN ABOUT HIM, FOR A LOT OF

TO LEARN ABOUT HIM, FOR A LOT OF
THEM THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE

THEM THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE
LEARNING.

LEARNING.
THIS MESSAGE.

THIS MESSAGE.
>> AND JOE, WE TALKED ABOUT

>> AND JOE, WE TALKED ABOUT
THIS.

THIS.
THIS AD CAME OUT NOW IN SPANISH,

THIS AD CAME OUT NOW IN SPANISH,
SO IT'S GAINING SOME MORE

SO IT'S GAINING SOME MORE
TRACTION IF YOU WILL AS THE TIME

TRACTION IF YOU WILL AS THE TIME
GETS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER HERE.

GETS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER HERE.
BUT HE HAS SAID, LOOK THIS IS

BUT HE HAS SAID, LOOK THIS IS
PART OF WHAT HAPPENED BACK THEN.

PART OF WHAT HAPPENED BACK THEN.
WE CREATED OTHER SITUATIONS TO

WE CREATED OTHER SITUATIONS TO
TRY AND HELP EASE THAT COST

TRY AND HELP EASE THAT COST
ISSUE THAT STUDENTS WERE FACING.

ISSUE THAT STUDENTS WERE FACING.
BUT DO VOTERS EVEN HEAR THAT

BUT DO VOTERS EVEN HEAR THAT
MESSAGE ANYMORE?

MESSAGE ANYMORE?
>> NO, THEY DON'T.

>> NO, THEY DON'T.
THEY HAVE -- THEY HEAR THE

THEY HAVE -- THEY HEAR THE
NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF TUITION

NUMBER, THE NUMBER OF TUITION
DOUBLING.

DOUBLING.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE FOCUSED ON

THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE FOCUSED ON
THE PILOT PROGRAMS AND ALL THE

THE PILOT PROGRAMS AND ALL THE
OTHER THINGS THAT WERE

OTHER THINGS THAT WERE
MITIGATING THE COSTS AREN'T WHAT

MITIGATING THE COSTS AREN'T WHAT
MOST STUDENTS PAID FOR AND WHAT

MOST STUDENTS PAID FOR AND WHAT
PARENTS HAD THE APPROVE LOANS

PARENTS HAD THE APPROVE LOANS
FOR.

FOR.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS HE TALKED

>> ONE OF THE THINGS HE TALKED
ABOUT IN THE INTERVIEW, HIM

ABOUT IN THE INTERVIEW, HIM
SAYING THAT WE COULD HAVE CLOSED

SAYING THAT WE COULD HAVE CLOSED
UNIVERSITIES OR CUT PROGRAMS AND

UNIVERSITIES OR CUT PROGRAMS AND
THAT WAS SOMETHING WE SIMPLY

THAT WAS SOMETHING WE SIMPLY
COULD NOT AFFORD TO DO.

COULD NOT AFFORD TO DO.
JOE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT

JOE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT
MEANS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING

MEANS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING
AT HOME AND THINKING, WOW, YOU

AT HOME AND THINKING, WOW, YOU
REALLY DID HELP US THOUGH IT DID

REALLY DID HELP US THOUGH IT DID
HURT.

HURT.
>> A LOT OF PASSION IN TERMS OF

>> A LOT OF PASSION IN TERMS OF
EDUCATION, SO I'M NOT REALLY

EDUCATION, SO I'M NOT REALLY
SURE.

SURE.
>> JEREMY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> JEREMY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I'M -- WELL, YOU KNOW, KIND

>> I'M -- WELL, YOU KNOW, KIND
OF A BALANCING GAME.

OF A BALANCING GAME.
AS YOU LOOK BACK AT, YOU KNOW,

AS YOU LOOK BACK AT, YOU KNOW,
FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROP 100, THE

FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROP 100, THE
TEMPORARY SALES TAX INCREASE,

TEMPORARY SALES TAX INCREASE,
THAT WAS PASSED OVERWHELMINGLY

THAT WAS PASSED OVERWHELMINGLY
IN -- BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WERE

IN -- BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WERE
WILLING TO PAY MORE TO OFF SET

WILLING TO PAY MORE TO OFF SET
SOME OF THE CUTS TO THINGS LIKE

SOME OF THE CUTS TO THINGS LIKE
K-12 EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY.

K-12 EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY.
BUT STILL CUTS TO THOSE THINGS.

BUT STILL CUTS TO THOSE THINGS.
THIS WAS AN OFF SET.

THIS WAS AN OFF SET.
SO PEOPLE -- WOULD PEOPLE HAVE

SO PEOPLE -- WOULD PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN WILLING TO PASS A TAX HIKE

BEEN WILLING TO PASS A TAX HIKE
THREE TIMES AS LARGE TO

THREE TIMES AS LARGE TO
ELIMINATE OR FOUR TIMES AS LARGE

ELIMINATE OR FOUR TIMES AS LARGE
TO ELIMINATE ALL THE CUTS, MAYBE

TO ELIMINATE ALL THE CUTS, MAYBE
NOT QUITE SO MUCH.

NOT QUITE SO MUCH.
DuVAL HAS A STRONG POINT, A

DuVAL HAS A STRONG POINT, A
STRONG CRITIQUE OF THE AD.

STRONG CRITIQUE OF THE AD.
A CHEAP SHOT IN A LOT OF WAYS,

A CHEAP SHOT IN A LOT OF WAYS,
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE
LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO MAKE THE

LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO MAKE THE
CUTS AND PASS THE BUCK TO

CUTS AND PASS THE BUCK TO
SOMEONE ELSE.

SOMEONE ELSE.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAD TO DEAL

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAD TO DEAL
WITH IT.

WITH IT.
BUT WILL PEOPLE FORGIVE DOUBLING

BUT WILL PEOPLE FORGIVE DOUBLING
TUITION IN, YOU KNOW, THE SPAN

TUITION IN, YOU KNOW, THE SPAN
OF WHAT, SEVEN YEARS OR SO.

OF WHAT, SEVEN YEARS OR SO.
YOU KNOW, A LITTLE HARDER -- A

YOU KNOW, A LITTLE HARDER -- A
LITTLE HARDER TO GAUGE.

LITTLE HARDER TO GAUGE.
>> OKAY.

>> OKAY.
WELL, OKAY.

WELL, OKAY.
WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT IN A FEW

WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT IN A FEW
WEEKS.

WEEKS.
HE TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND

HE TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND
THE BORDER AND HE SAID THE

THE BORDER AND HE SAID THE
BORDER IS NOT AS SECURE AS IT

BORDER IS NOT AS SECURE AS IT
COULD BE.

COULD BE.
WHAT IMPRESSION DID YOU GET

WHAT IMPRESSION DID YOU GET
ABOUT HIS THOUGHTS MOVING

ABOUT HIS THOUGHTS MOVING
FORWARD WITH BORDER SECURITY?

FORWARD WITH BORDER SECURITY?
>> HE TALKS A LOT ABOUT IT, BUT

>> HE TALKS A LOT ABOUT IT, BUT
HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A

HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A
COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT ARE PRETTY

COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT ARE PRETTY
MUCH DEAD ON ARRIVAL.

MUCH DEAD ON ARRIVAL.
THE IDEA THAT THE FEDERAL

THE IDEA THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PAY FOR

GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PAY FOR
TROOPS ON THE BORDERS IS

TROOPS ON THE BORDERS IS
SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS NOT

SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS NOT
REALLY A PRIORITY FOR HIM.

REALLY A PRIORITY FOR HIM.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S LOOKING

IT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S LOOKING
FOR OTHER SOLUTIONS IN TERMS OF

FOR OTHER SOLUTIONS IN TERMS OF
WHAT THE STATE CAN DO IN TERMS

WHAT THE STATE CAN DO IN TERMS
OF SECURING THE BORDER.

OF SECURING THE BORDER.
IT'S MORE WORKING WITH LOCAL LAW

IT'S MORE WORKING WITH LOCAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT, LOBBYING THE

ENFORCEMENT, LOBBYING THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THINGS OF

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THINGS OF
THAT NATURE.

THAT NATURE.
>> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.
JEREMY, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE

JEREMY, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE
ECONOMY AND DOUG DUCEY REALLY

ECONOMY AND DOUG DUCEY REALLY
TALKING ABOUT HIS HOPE FOR THE

TALKING ABOUT HIS HOPE FOR THE
ECONOMY AND WE SAW A NEW AD THAT

ECONOMY AND WE SAW A NEW AD THAT
CAME OUT WHERE HE SAYS THAT HE

CAME OUT WHERE HE SAYS THAT HE
DID WONDERS IN A BUSINESS, COLD

DID WONDERS IN A BUSINESS, COLD
STONE CREAMERY.

STONE CREAMERY.
ARE VOTERS LISTENING TO THAT,

ARE VOTERS LISTENING TO THAT,
THINKING THIS IS THE RIGHT MAN

THINKING THIS IS THE RIGHT MAN
FOR THE JOB SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS

FOR THE JOB SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS
IS HIS RESUME?

IS HIS RESUME?
>> WHEN THE CANDIDATE WANTS TO

>> WHEN THE CANDIDATE WANTS TO
TALK ABOUT GROWING THE ECONOMY,

TALK ABOUT GROWING THE ECONOMY,
HAVING THAT KIND OF BUSINESS

HAVING THAT KIND OF BUSINESS
RESUME CAN BE -- YOU KNOW, THAT

RESUME CAN BE -- YOU KNOW, THAT
CAN BE A MAJOR PLUS.

CAN BE A MAJOR PLUS.
NOW OF COURSE, AS WE SAW IT

NOW OF COURSE, AS WE SAW IT
DURING THE PRIMARY, DUCEY HAS

DURING THE PRIMARY, DUCEY HAS
SOME KNOCKS AGAINST HIS BUSINESS

SOME KNOCKS AGAINST HIS BUSINESS
RECORD AS WELL WHICH I'M SURE

RECORD AS WELL WHICH I'M SURE
FRED DuVAL WILL TRY TO EXPLOIT.

FRED DuVAL WILL TRY TO EXPLOIT.
THAT LENDS SOME CREDIBILITY WHEN

THAT LENDS SOME CREDIBILITY WHEN
YOU CAN SAY I BUILT THIS

YOU CAN SAY I BUILT THIS
BUSINESS AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN

BUSINESS AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN
TALKING ABOUT COLD STONE

TALKING ABOUT COLD STONE
CREAMERY EVERYONE IN THE STATE

CREAMERY EVERYONE IN THE STATE
PROBABLY DRIVES PAST TWO OR

PROBABLY DRIVES PAST TWO OR
THREE OF THEM ON THE WAY TO

THREE OF THEM ON THE WAY TO
WORK.

WORK.
THEY SEE THEM EVERYWHERE.

THEY SEE THEM EVERYWHERE.
THIS IS A HUGE BUSINESS.

THIS IS A HUGE BUSINESS.
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE

PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE
STATE FOR A LONG TIME HAVE BEEN,

STATE FOR A LONG TIME HAVE BEEN,
YOU KNOW, SEEING THEM FOR 20

YOU KNOW, SEEING THEM FOR 20
YEARS.

YEARS.
I THINK THAT -- I THINK THAT

I THINK THAT -- I THINK THAT
HELPS HIM OUT WHEN THEY CAN

HELPS HIM OUT WHEN THEY CAN
ASSOCIATE HIM WITH SOMETHING

ASSOCIATE HIM WITH SOMETHING
THAT VOTERS I THINK GENERALLY

THAT VOTERS I THINK GENERALLY
ASSOCIATE AS A SUCCESSFUL BRAND.

ASSOCIATE AS A SUCCESSFUL BRAND.
>> OKAY.

>> OKAY.
AND JOE, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU

AND JOE, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU
THE LAST WORD ON THIS.

THE LAST WORD ON THIS.
MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE GOT

MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE GOT
ABOUT TWO MONTHS TO GO.

ABOUT TWO MONTHS TO GO.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE THINGS

WE'RE GOING TO SEE THINGS
ESCALATE QUITE A BIT FOR THIS

ESCALATE QUITE A BIT FOR THIS
RACE.

RACE.
>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.
WE CAN EXPECT A LOT OF ADS.

WE CAN EXPECT A LOT OF ADS.
WE CAN EXPECT A LOT OF VISITS

WE CAN EXPECT A LOT OF VISITS
HERE IN TOWN FOR THE CANDIDATES

HERE IN TOWN FOR THE CANDIDATES
AS THEY TRY TO GRAB INDEPENDENT

AS THEY TRY TO GRAB INDEPENDENT
VOTERS IN THE COUNTIES.

VOTERS IN THE COUNTIES.
>> JEREMY, THESE TWO GUYS ARE

>> JEREMY, THESE TWO GUYS ARE
FRIENDS AND THEY HAVE A PRETTY

FRIENDS AND THEY HAVE A PRETTY
DECENT RELATIONSHIP.

DECENT RELATIONSHIP.
SO HOW DOES THIS MOVE FORWARD IN

SO HOW DOES THIS MOVE FORWARD IN
THE LAST FEW WEEKS?

THE LAST FEW WEEKS?
>> I MEAN, IT WILL BE A NASTY

>> I MEAN, IT WILL BE A NASTY
FIGHT.

FIGHT.
I THINK DuVAL AND DUCEY WILL TRY

I THINK DuVAL AND DUCEY WILL TRY
TO STAY AS POSITIVE AS THEY CAN.

TO STAY AS POSITIVE AS THEY CAN.
BUT THAT'S WHAT INDEPENDENT

BUT THAT'S WHAT INDEPENDENT
EXPENDITURES ARE FOR AS WE HAVE

EXPENDITURES ARE FOR AS WE HAVE
SEEN WITH THE REPUBLICANS

SEEN WITH THE REPUBLICANS
GOVERNOR ASSOCIATION.

GOVERNOR ASSOCIATION.
THAT PRIMARY THAT DUCEY JUST

THAT PRIMARY THAT DUCEY JUST
WON, THAT WAS PRETTY BRUTAL.

WON, THAT WAS PRETTY BRUTAL.
THERE WAS A LOT OF MUD SLINGING.

THERE WAS A LOT OF MUD SLINGING.
I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE

I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE
ALL THAT MUCH AS WE HEAD TO

ALL THAT MUCH AS WE HEAD TO
NOVEMBER.

NOVEMBER.
>> OKAY.

>> OKAY.
A LOT ON THE LINE.

A LOT ON THE LINE.
OF COURSE, ARIZONA HERE.

OF COURSE, ARIZONA HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, GENTLEMEN,

THANK YOU SO MUCH, GENTLEMEN,
FOR YOUR ANALYSIS.

FOR YOUR ANALYSIS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PROGRAM.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR PROGRAM.
FOR NEXT WEEK WE HAVE INVITED

FOR NEXT WEEK WE HAVE INVITED
REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL

REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL
CANDIDATE DOUG DUCEY FOR A

CANDIDATE DOUG DUCEY FOR A
ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEW.

ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEW.
FROM ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC

FROM ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC
ME