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>>> LOOKING BACK ON YARNELL, A

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WILDFIRE THAT CLAIMED THE LIVES

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OF 19 MEN.

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>> IT WAS DECISION AFTER

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DECISION THAT WAS MADE OR NOT

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MADE THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO THIS

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CREW BEING ALONE ON A MOUNTAIN.

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>> FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE'RE

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HEARING FROM THE 20th MAN ON THE

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CREW.

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>> I NEEDED TO TELL MY BROTHER'S

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STORY AND THE ONLY WAY I COULD

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TELL THAT IS IF I OPENED UP LIFE

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AFTER THE YARNELL HILL FIRE.

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THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK."

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>>> THREE YEARS AGO, LIGHTNING

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SPARKED ONE OF THE DEADLIEST

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WILDFIRES IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

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FLAMES BURNED FOR MORE THAN TEN

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DAYS AND IN THE END CLAIMED THE

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LIVES OF 19 MEN.

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BUT 20 MEN WERE PART OF THE

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GRANITE MOUNTAIN HOT SHOT CREW.

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ON THAT DAY BRENDAN McDONOUGH

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SERVED AS LOOKOUT.

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THREE YEARS AFTER THE TRAGEDY

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HE'S WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT HOW

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BEING A HOT SHOT CHANGED HIS

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LIFE.

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WHAT DOES BEING A HOT SHOT MEAN

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TO YOU, WHAT DID IT MEAN FOR

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YOU?

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>> AT FIRST WHAT IT MEANT WAS A

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PAYCHECK.

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AND A WAY TO SUPPORT MY

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DAUGHTER.

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AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS FIGHTING

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FOR.

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THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO, YOU

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KNOW.

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I KIND OF DIVED INTO PRETTY DARK

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PLACES WITH MY DAUGHTER AND

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WHERE I NEEDED TO BE.

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AND -- AS I LEARNED ABOUT

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FIREFIGHT, AS I LEARNED ABOUT

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THESE GUYS AND WHO THEY WERE AND

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WHAT THEY STOOD FOR, NOT ONLY ON

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THE LINE BUT AT HOME, IT WAS

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MORE THE WEREHOOD, IT WAS MORE

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THAN JUST GETTING A PAYCHECK.

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IT WAS MORE THAN SUPPORTING MY

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DAUGHTER.

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BECOMING A BETTER FATHER, NOT

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ONLY LEARNING LESSONS THAT I'D

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HAVE JUST IN, BUT LESSONS I'LL

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CARRY WITH ME THE REST OF MY

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LIFE.

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>> TELL ME ABOUT THAT ADRENALINE

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YOU WOULD FEEL WHEN YOU GET

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CALLED TO A FIRE.

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WHAT WAS YOUR SAYING AS YOU

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ROLLED OUT OF THE PARKING LOT?

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>> I'D JUST BE SO EXCITED.

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I'D BE YELLING AND HOOTING AND

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HOLLERING.

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JUST LIKE SHAKING GUYS' CHAIRS

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AND STUFF.

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YOU KNOW, JUST FULL OF

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EXCITEMENT.

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THAT I WAS ABLE TO DO SOMETHING

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THAT WAS PROVIDING FOR MY

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DAUGHTER.

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>> IN THE BOOK YOU SAY THAT LOT

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OF IT IS FINANCIAL, IT WAS FOR

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MICHAELA.

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THEN THERE'S THAT MOMENT WHERE

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YOU'RE SITTING DOWN TO CHOW, YOU

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CAN SEE THOSE FAMILIES, YOU

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REALIZE, THEY JUST LOST THEIR

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HOME.

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THAT'S WHEN IT HIT IT FOR YOU,

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THAT YOU SAID, I'M DOING THIS TO

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SAVE SOMEONE'S PROPERTY, THEIR

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LIVELIHOOD, THEIR MEMORIES.

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>> YEAH, YOU TRULY CAN'T --

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THERE'S SOME THINGS IN LIFE YOU

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CAN'T UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU'VE

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BEEN THROUGH THEM AND WITNESSED

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THEM.

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THAT WAS MY FIRST EXPERIENCE

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DOWN ON THE MONUMENT FIRE OF

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WHAT WE WERE DOING AND WHY WE

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WERE DOING IT.

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AND WHY I WAS WITH WHO I WAS.

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IT JUST HIT ME.

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WHEN I SAW THEIR FACES.

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AND KNOWING THAT IT'S NOT --

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STRUCTURE, THE HOME, THAT THEY

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MISS.

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IT'S THE THINGS THAT ARE INSIDE.

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THE MEMORIES.

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THE FAMILY.

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THE BARBECUES THEY HAD.

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IT'S THE CHRISTMAS DINNERS.

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THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I

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SOMETIMES DIDN'T HAVE THAT WERE

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THE BEST.

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BUT I DO REMEMBER THE GOOD ONES.

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I REMEMBER THE ONES WITH MY

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MOTHER AND MY BROTHER.

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I REMEMBER THOSE ONES.

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AND THEY STUCK IN MY HEAD.

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AND I WANTED TO DO EVERYTHING I

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COULD TO CONTINUE TO LET PEOPLE

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HAVE THAT.

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IT'S NOT THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW.

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IT'S THE MEMORIES THAT ARE BUILT

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IN IT.

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AND THAT'S WHAT I FOUGHT SO HARD

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FOR.

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THAT'S WHAT WE ALL FIGHT SO HARD

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FOR.

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>> IN THE BOOK YOU TALK ABOUT

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THE HORSESHOE TWO FIRE, HOW IT

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WAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF FIRE

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THAN YOU HAD SEEN BEFORE.

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DID THAT PREPARE YOU FOR WHAT

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YARNELL TURNED OUT TO BE?

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>> LOOKING BACK, I THINK EVERY

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FIRE I WAS ON KIND OF PREPARED

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ME WITHIN MY TWO AND A HALF

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YEARS BEING A HOT SHOT, I SAW A

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LOT OF FIRES THAT WERE VERY --

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VERY POWERFUL.

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A LOT OF THEM WERE THE BIGGEST

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FIRES THAT SOME OF THE STATE WET

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WERE IN HAD SEEN.

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AND THEY'VE CONTINUED TO GROW.

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I FEEL LIKE WITHIN THE LAST FIVE

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YEARS, THE FIRE SEASON'S JUST

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CONTINUED TO BUILD AND BUILD AND

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COMPOUND ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

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>> BRENDAN WAS 19 YEARS OLD WHEN

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HE JOINED THE GRANITE MOUNTAIN

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HOT SHOTS.

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AS A CREW THEY TRAVELED ALL OVER

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ARIZONA AND THE SOUTHWEST.

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THEN THE WEEK OF JUNE 30th.

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A CALL TO FIGHT FLAMES RIGHT

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OUTSIDE THEIR HOMETOWN OF

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PRESCOTT IN A SLEEPY TOWN OF

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YARNELL.

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TELL ME ABOUT JUNE 30th.

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YOU THINK IT'S SORT OF RUN OF

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THE MILL.

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YOU'RE GOING TO GO FIGHT ANOTHER

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FIRE.

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WHAT WAS SO DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS

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ONE?

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>> JUNE 30th -- UNTIL MY

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BROTHERS DIED, THERE'S NOTHING

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DIFFERENT ABOUT IT.

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IT WAS LIKE ANY OTHER DAY OF

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FIREFIGHTING.

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YOU KNOW, EXPECTING TO BE THERE

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FOR TWO WEEKS OR EXPECTING TO BE

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HOME THE NEXT DAY OR, YOU KNOW,

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JUST -- ENDLESS QUESTIONS AND

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CONTINUING TO TRY AND FIND THOSE

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ANSWERS.

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IT'S JUST -- I THINK -- THE

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MARINE CORPS SAYS THAT, YOU

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KNOW, REMAIN FLEXIBLE.

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I THINK THAT STICKS WITH WILD

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LAND FIREFIGHTS AS WELL.

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REMAIN FLEXIBLE BECAUSE THE PLAN

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CAN ALWAYS CHANGE.

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GOING INTO THAT DAY THAT MORNING

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IT WAS LIKE ANY OTHER DAY ON A

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FIRE.

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GO IN, GET A BRIEFING, FIND A

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PIECE OF LINE TO DIG INTO, GET A

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LOOKOUT, GET A SAFETY ZONE,

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ESTABLISH LC, GET THOSE THINGS

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GOING.

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AND PUT IT OUT.

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WHETHER IT TOOK ONE DAY, FIVE

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DAYS, TWO WEEKS.

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I MEAN, SOMETIMES YOU'RE HOME

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FOR TWO DAYS AND YOU COME BACK

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AND FIGHT THE SAME EXACT FIRE.

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SO THAT WAS KIND OF MINDSET IN

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THE MORNING.

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JUST READY TO DO THE JOB,

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WHATEVER IT HAD.

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>> AS YOU WATCHED THE FLAMES AND

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YOU WERE THE LOOKOUT THAT DAY,

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NOTHING LOOKED OUT OF THE

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ORDINARY TO YOU?

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>> NO, NOT UNTIL THE WEATHER

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STARTED TO SHIFT.

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WHAT IS SO HARD I THINK FOR

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PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IS THE

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VANTAGE POINT THAT MY BROTHERS

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DID HAVE.

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YOU KNOW, ALMOST 100% SIMILAR

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VIEW OF WHAT I WAS SEEING IS

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WHAT THEY'RE SEEING.

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JUST FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.

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AND SO -- IT WAS JUST ONE OF

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THOSE DAYS -- THAT AS IT

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UNFOLDED, THINGS CONTINUED TO

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FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS.

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COULD HAVE BEEN DONE, COULD HAVE

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SHOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE TO DEATH.

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BUT THAT'S JUST I GUESS THE

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NATURE OF THE JOB.

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LEARNING HOW TO ADAPT WITH

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DIFFERENT CHANGES.

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>> THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTION

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ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY

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WHAT WENT WRONG.

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FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, HOW DID

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THIS HAPPEN?

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>> I THINK IT WASN'T ONE

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DECISION.

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I THINK IT WAS A MULTIPLETUDE OF

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DIFFERENT THINGS THAT DIDN'T GET

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PUT IN PLACE.

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OR WASN'T EXECUTED TO 100%.

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AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT,

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THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO

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100% IN.

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WE CAN'T BE PERFECT IN ANYTHING

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THAT WE DO IN LIFE.

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THERE'S NOT ONE THING THAT

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SOMEONE COULD SIT THERE AND SAY,

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I'M PERFECT IN THIS.

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IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

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SO WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER

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BACKUP PLANS OR RESOURCES THAT

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WE USE TO TRY AND MAKE IT THE

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BEST SITUATION POSSIBLE TO DEAL

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WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

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I MEAN, WE ARE FIGHTING A

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NATURAL DISASTER.

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YOU DON'T SEND SOMEONE TO GO

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CORRAL A TORNADO.

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WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT.

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YOU WAIT TILL THE AFTERMATH AND

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YOU COME IN AND GIVE HELP AND

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TRY AND DO THE BEST YOU CAN.

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FOR US, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FIGHTING

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THESE FIRES THAT ARE

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TREMENDOUSLY HUGE WITH A SMALL

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AMOUNT OF RESOURCES.

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>> IN THE BOOK YOU DESCRIBE

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THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND

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FORTH.

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IT SOUNDS LIKE CHAOS TO ME.

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AT WHAT POINT DID YOU REALIZE

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THAT THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT, THAT

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SOMETHING HAD GONE TERRIBLY

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WRONG?

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>> FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE -- I CAN

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UNDERSTAND WHERE IT CAN SEEM

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LIKE CHAOS, BUT FOR US, I MEAN,

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THAT'S JUST WHAT WE LIVE IN.

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YOU KNOW -- AND SOME

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FIREFIGHTERS WILL HAVE A

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DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF CHAOS

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AND IT'S NOT THE SAME ACROSS THE

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BOARD.

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THERE WAS WORSE MOMENTS THAT

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DAY, PRETTY CHAOTIC.

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THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRAINED TO BE

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IN, THAT'S WHY WE TRAIN SO HARD,

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THAT'S WHY WE PRACTICE, THAT'S

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WHY WE HAVE SUCH A HIGH LEVEL OF

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PHYSICAL FITNESS.

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WE'RE TRAINED TO BE IN THOSE

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MOMENTS.

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IT'S NOT ONLY OUR BODY WE'RE

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TRAINING, MENTALLY WE'RE

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PREPARING TO MAKE THE CORRECT

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DECISIONS IN THE CORRECT AMOUNT

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OF TIME.

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SO -- GETTING BACK TO YOUR

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QUESTION, I DIDN'T FEEL AS IF

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THEY WERE IN DANGER UNTIL I

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HEARD THEM -- MY SUPERINTENDENT

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TALK ABOUT DEPLOYING THE FIRE

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SHELTERS.

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THAT'S WHEN I KNEW THEY WERE IN

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DANGER.

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UP UNTIL THEN, I SUSPECTED I'D

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SEEN THEM COME ON THE ROAD,

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FIVE, TEN MINUTES.

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THAT WAS THE MINDFRAME THAT I

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HAD AT THAT POINT.

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WAS THERE A FIRE BURNING THROUGH

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TOWN?

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YES.

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WAS THERE HELICOPTERS FLYING

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OVER?

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THERE WAS.

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BUT THAT'S A LOT OF FIRES.

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PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT OF

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NEIGHBORHOODS.

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OH, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING HERE,

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SO WE PULL OUT.

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REASSESS.

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TRY ANOTHER PLAN.

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THAT DOESN'T WORK, PULL OUT,

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REASSESS.

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YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE NATURE OF

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THE JOB IS JUST CONTINUE TO TRY

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UNTIL YOU CAN'T TRY ANY MORE,

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UNTIL YOU WIN.

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>> WHEN YOU HEARD THEY WERE

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DEPLOYING FIRE SHELTERS WHAT

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DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU?

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YOU'D BEEN TRAINED TO DEPLOY

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THEM AS WELL.

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>> IT'S YOUR LAST EFFORT TO

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COMBATING THE FIRE OVERCOMING

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YOU.

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IT'S A PLACE YOU DON'T WANT TO

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BE IN.

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IT'S A MOMENT OBVIOUSLY NO ONE

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WOULD EVER EMBRACE.

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AND IT'S -- SOMETHING YOU HOPE

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YOU TRAINED FOR AND YOU TOOK

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SERIOUS.

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WHEN THEY WERE FOUND, IT WASN'T

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LIKE THERE WASN'T A FIRE STILL

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RAGING.

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>> CHRIS WAS YOUR ROOMMATE AT

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THE TIME.

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>> YEAH.

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>> WHAT WAS THAT LIKE GOING HOME

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AND HE'S NOT THERE?

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>> OH, WOW.

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I -- I DON'T EVEN THINK I WENT

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HOME FOR THE FIRST TWO WEEKS, TO

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BE HONEST.

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I DON'T EVEN THINK I WAS THERE.

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IT TOOK -- IT TOOK A LONG TIME

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TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE

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APARTMENT.

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IT WAS EMOTIONAL.

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IT WAS TOUGH.

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NOT ONLY WAS THE PERSON WHO

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SLEPT SIX FEET AWAY FROM ME

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GONE, BUT EVERY OTHER PERSON

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THROUGHOUT THE SUMMERS THAT I

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SLEPT TWO FEET AWAY FROM WAS

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GONE TOO.

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>> MORE FROM BRENDAN IN A FEW

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MOMENTS.

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BUT NOW FOR THE "NEW YORK TIMES"

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PHOENIX BUREAU CHIEF.

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SHE ALSO WROTE A BOOK.

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AS A JOURNALIST SHE SAYS THE

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YARNELL HILL FIRE WAS A STORY

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SHE COULDN'T LET GO OF.

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>> AS I WAS WRITING STORIES

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ABOUT THIS FIRE, I KEPT FINDING

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MYSELF HAVING MORE QUESTIONS

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THAN ANSWERS.

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QUESTIONS AS SIMPLE AS, HOW DO

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WILDFIRES BURN?

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WHAT'S UP WITH WEATHER?

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WHAT ARE MONSOON STORMS?

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I HADN'T BEEN IN ARIZONA VERY

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LONG SO I DIDN'T QUITE

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UNDERSTAND EVEN HOW THE WEATHER

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THIS TIME OF THE YEAR WORKED.

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AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN

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THAT THERE IS A CERTAIN -- A

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SHORT LIFE SPAN TO BIG NEWS

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STORIES WITH NEWSPAPERS, THERE

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WAS LIMITED INTEREST FROM MY

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EDITORS.

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AND THAT CURIOSITY LINGERED.

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MANY TIMES THAT CURIOSITY KIND

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OF WANED.

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YOU MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE,

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YOU BECOME CURIOUS ABOUT

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SOMETHING ELSE.

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BUT I REMAINED CURIOUS ABOUT

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THIS STORY, ABOUT THE LIVES OF

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THESE MEN.

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SO, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT THE

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BEST WAY TO SOLVE -- TO SATISFY

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MY CURIOSITY WOULD BE TO WRITE A

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BOOK.

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>> WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS THE

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MOST FASCINATING THING YOU

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LEARNED DURING THIS PROCESS?

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>> IT WAS REALLY A REDEFINITION

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OF THE WORD GUILT OR BLAME.

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THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON THAT

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WHEN THE FIRE HAPPENED.

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WHO MADE THE ORDER -- WHO GAVE

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THE ORDER FOR THIS CREW TO GO

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DOWN THE MOUNTAIN?

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ESSENTIALLY, WHO WAS TO BLAME

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FOR THEIR DEATHS?

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AND BLAME HAS A VERY SHIFTY

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MEANING IN THIS STORY BECAUSE IT

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DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN

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SOMETHING BAD.

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YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WHAT

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HAPPENED WAS HORRIBLE.

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BUT IT MEANS MAKING DECISIONS

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THAT CARRY A LOT OF RISK, BUT

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THEY WERE NOT NECESSARILY MADE

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WITH THE INTENT OF CAUSING HARM.

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AND THEN ONCE I ACCEPTED THAT,

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IT WAS ALMOST AS IF I WAS

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LIBERATED TO REALLY PURSUE THIS

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STORY AS I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE

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PURSUED, WHICH WAS MORE THE

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HUMAN SIDE OF THIS FIRE.

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>> IN ALL YOUR RESEARCH, HOW DID

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THIS HAPPEN?

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WHAT DECISION WAS MADE, WHAT LED

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TO THIS?

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>> IT'S NOT A SIMPLE ANSWER.

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BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ONE THEN

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OR ONE DECISION THAT I CAN POINT

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TO DO SAY, THIS IS WHAT CAUSED

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THE DEATHS OF THESE 19 MEN.

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IT WAS DECISION AFTER DECISION

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THAT WAS MADE OR NOT MADE THAT

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ULTIMATELY LED TO THIS CREW

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BEING ALONE ON A MOUNTAIN AND

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HAVING TO MAKE THE ULTIMATE

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DECISION ALL BY ITSELF.

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AND HAVING NO ONE TO BE THERE

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BALANCED, TO CHECK.

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NO ONE TO SAY, IS THIS REALLY

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THE BEST THING TO DO AT THIS

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MOMENT?

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SO THERE'S NO ONE THING THAT YOU

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CAN BLAME.

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IT'S SYSTEMIC.

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THERE'S SYSTEMIC FLAWS, THERE'S

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HUMAN FACTORS.

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A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT

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LED TO WHAT HAPPENED.

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>> YOU REACHED OUT TO EACH ONE

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OF THE 19 FAMILIES?

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>> I DID.

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I REALLY WANTED TO MEET THESE

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GUYS.

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I WROTE A FRONT-PAGE PROFILE OF

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THE CREW AND THE MAN THAT RAN

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THE -- THE FATALITIES HAPPENED

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ON JUNE 30th, 2013.

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THAT STORY RAN ON THE FRONT PAGE

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OF THE NEW YORK TIMES ON JULY

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2nd.

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AND I WROTE IT ON JULY 1st AS I

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WAS REPORTING.

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AND I REMEMBERED THAT I ONLY

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KNEW THE NAMES OF A FEW OF THE

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MEN.

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AND IT REALLY BOTHERED ME THAT I

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WAS WRITING SO THOR THOR

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DATEIVELY ABOUT A GROUP OF MEN I

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KNEW VERY LITTLE ABOUT.

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ENOUGH FOR A NEWS STORY BUT NOT

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ENOUGH FOR AN UNDERSTANDING OF

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THEM AS PEOPLE.

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AND OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T SIT DOWN

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AND TALK TO THEM.

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AND THE BEST WAY TO MEET THEM

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WAS TO MEET THEIR FAMILIES.

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AND I MADE A POINT IN MEETING

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EVERY ONE OF THEM.

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>> SHE SAYS THE 19 MEN

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REPRESENTED THE EPITOME OF

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TEAMWORK AND BRAVERY BECAUSE

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THEY HAD THE COURAGE TO STAY

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TOGETHER UNTIL THE VERY END.

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>> YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR A LOT

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OF PEOPLE TO THINK OF A BOOK

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ABOUT A FIRE WHERE 19 PEOPLE

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DIRKSD A BOOK CALLED "THE FIRE

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LINE," AND NOT BE CAUGHT UP ON

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THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A FIRE

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BOOK.

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I'D LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS A

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UNIVERSAL STORY, A STORY THAT IS

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ABOUT 19 MEN WHO LOVED ONE

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ANOTHER, LOVED WHAT THEY DID,

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AND CHOSE TO STAY TOGETHER UNTIL

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THE END.

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I OPEN MY BOOK WITH A PICTURE

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FROM ONE OF THE INVESTIGATIVE

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REPORTS THAT SHOWS THE LOCATION,

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THE POSITIONING OF THE BODIES

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WHEN THEY WERE FOUND.

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AND THESE WERE -- THEY WERE

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VERY, VERY CLOSE.

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AND THAT WAS THE PICTURE THAT

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SHOWED ME THAT THIS WAS A

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DIFFERENT STORY.

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THIS WAS NOT THE STORY ABOUT A

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DECISION, A BAD DECISION, MADE

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BY WHOEVER.

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IT WAS A STORY ABOUT THE CULTURE

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OF LOYALTY THAT THEY FOSTERED,

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THAT WHEN IT CAME TIME TO MAKE

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A -- AN ULTIMATE DECISION, DO WE

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STAY TOGETHER AND TRY TO SURVIVE

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THIS WAVE OF FIRE THAT'S COMING

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OUR WAY, OR DO WE EACH TRY TO

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RUN FOR OUR LIVES?

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THEY DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE.

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THEY STAYED TOGETHER.

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THE LAST RADIO COMMUNICATION

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THAT YOU HEAR, YOU HEAR THIS

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BUZZING IN THE BACKGROUND.

528
00:16:14,275 --> 00:16:17,942
THEY WERE STILL WORKING TOGETHER

529
00:16:17,945 --> 00:16:18,876
TRYING TO SAVE THEMSELVES AS A

530
00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:21,079
UNIT.

531
00:16:21,082 --> 00:16:23,981
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD EVER

532
00:16:23,984 --> 00:16:25,983
COME ACROSS PEOPLE, OTHER THAN

533
00:16:25,986 --> 00:16:27,585
SOLDIERS, WHO WOULD BE WILLING

534
00:16:27,588 --> 00:16:29,520
TO RISK THEIR LIVES -- OR POLICE

535
00:16:29,523 --> 00:16:30,154
OFFICERS DO THAT TOO -- RISK

536
00:16:30,157 --> 00:16:32,724
THEIR LIVES TO SAVE THEIR

537
00:16:32,727 --> 00:16:34,726
PARTNER.

538
00:16:34,729 --> 00:16:36,728
YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT WAS --

539
00:16:36,731 --> 00:16:37,462
THERE WAS SUCH A POWERFUL

540
00:16:37,465 --> 00:16:39,864
MESSAGE.

541
00:16:39,867 --> 00:16:40,531
AND MY BOOK IS BUILT EXACTLY TO

542
00:16:40,534 --> 00:16:43,668
EXPLAIN THAT.

543
00:16:43,671 --> 00:16:44,268
WHAT IS IT THAT MADE THESE GUYS

544
00:16:44,271 --> 00:16:45,636
STAY TOGETHER?

545
00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:47,071
FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT

546
00:16:47,074 --> 00:16:49,774
YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND WHO

547
00:16:49,777 --> 00:16:51,109
THEY WERE, WHAT THE CREW WAS

548
00:16:51,112 --> 00:16:52,477
ABOUT, WHAT THE JOB WAS ABOUT.

549
00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,579
ALL OF IT DEPENDED ON THE IDEA

550
00:16:54,582 --> 00:16:56,547
OF UNITY AND TEAMWORK.

551
00:16:56,550 --> 00:17:00,118
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO SAY

552
00:17:00,121 --> 00:17:01,486
THAT IT'S A BOOK ABOUT PEOPLE

553
00:17:01,489 --> 00:17:02,787
THAT HAPPENS TO HAVE FIRE AS A

554
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:03,855
SETTING, IT'S NOT A FIRE BOOK.

555
00:17:03,858 --> 00:17:04,389
>> THERE WERE LAWSUITS AND

556
00:17:04,392 --> 00:17:05,990
LITIGATION INVOLVED.

557
00:17:05,993 --> 00:17:08,860
WHERE ARE WE NOW WITH THAT?

558
00:17:08,863 --> 00:17:11,763
IS THAT OVER?

559
00:17:11,766 --> 00:17:12,096
>> IT'S A MUCH LESS CONTENTIOUS

560
00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:14,132
PROCESS.

561
00:17:14,135 --> 00:17:15,900
THE FIRES OF THE LAWSUITS -- THE

562
00:17:15,903 --> 00:17:19,804
LAWSUITS HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THE

563
00:17:19,807 --> 00:17:21,506
19 MEMBERS WHO DIED ON JUNE

564
00:17:21,509 --> 00:17:22,774
30th, ONLY SIX WERE FULL-TIME

565
00:17:22,777 --> 00:17:23,141
EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF

566
00:17:23,144 --> 00:17:27,145
PRESCOTT.

567
00:17:27,148 --> 00:17:29,280
AND WHAT THAT MEANT WAS THAT IN

568
00:17:29,283 --> 00:17:31,949
LIFE, THE 14 SEASONAL EMPLOYEES

569
00:17:31,952 --> 00:17:33,117
DID NOT HAVE PAID VACATION, PAID

570
00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:34,585
HOLIDAYS, PAID SICK DAYS.

571
00:17:34,588 --> 00:17:36,621
AND IN DEATH, THEY DIDN'T

572
00:17:36,624 --> 00:17:38,790
QUALIFY FOR THE BENEFITS THAT

573
00:17:38,793 --> 00:17:40,291
THE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES DID.

574
00:17:40,294 --> 00:17:42,760
THE PENSIONS THEY RECEIVED.

575
00:17:42,763 --> 00:17:45,697
THEY WERE PART OF THE ARIZONA

576
00:17:45,700 --> 00:17:47,031
STATE PENSION SYSTEM, THEY WERE

577
00:17:47,034 --> 00:17:47,999
PART OF A STRUCTURAL FIRE

578
00:17:48,002 --> 00:17:48,633
DEPARTMENT, THEY WERE UNION

579
00:17:48,636 --> 00:17:49,934
MEMBERS, SO FORTH.

580
00:17:49,937 --> 00:17:52,603
SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE THOSE TYPES

581
00:17:52,606 --> 00:17:55,239
OF BENEFITS, THESE 14 FAMILIES.

582
00:17:55,242 --> 00:17:58,276
OF THESE 14 FAMILIES, MANY OF

583
00:17:58,279 --> 00:17:58,710
THEM WERE WOMEN WHO HAD CHILDREN

584
00:17:58,713 --> 00:18:00,144
TO RAISE.

585
00:18:00,147 --> 00:18:02,013
THIS IS THE JOB THAT TAKES THE

586
00:18:02,016 --> 00:18:03,514
MAN AWAY FOR LONG PERIODS IN THE

587
00:18:03,517 --> 00:18:06,050
SUMMER SO IT WAS HARD FOR SOME

588
00:18:06,053 --> 00:18:06,718
OF THEM TO EVEN KEEP FULL-TIME

589
00:18:06,721 --> 00:18:07,885
EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE THEY HAD

590
00:18:07,888 --> 00:18:10,355
THEIR KIDS AT HOME, THEY HAD TO

591
00:18:10,358 --> 00:18:12,990
TAKE CARE OF THE HOUSE WHILE

592
00:18:12,993 --> 00:18:15,126
THEIR HUSBANDS WERE NOT THERE.

593
00:18:15,129 --> 00:18:15,526
SOME FAMILIES HAVE STARTED

594
00:18:15,529 --> 00:18:17,562
FOUNDATIONS.

595
00:18:17,565 --> 00:18:18,696
OTHER FAMILIES HAVE SORT OF

596
00:18:18,699 --> 00:18:19,931
RETREATED AND TRY TO LIVE THEIR

597
00:18:19,934 --> 00:18:21,265
LIVES AS MUCH AS THEY CAN WITH

598
00:18:21,268 --> 00:18:23,001
AS MUCH NORMALLY AS THEY CAN.

599
00:18:23,004 --> 00:18:23,334
ALWAYS HAVING A HOLE IN THEIR

600
00:18:23,337 --> 00:18:25,403
HEARTS.

601
00:18:25,406 --> 00:18:29,273
AND OTHERS HAVE MET OTHER

602
00:18:29,276 --> 00:18:29,941
PEOPLE, SOME OF THE WIDOWS HAVE

603
00:18:29,944 --> 00:18:34,045
REMARRIED OR HAVE PARTNERS

604
00:18:34,048 --> 00:18:38,116
LIVING WITH THEM.

605
00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,219
AT LEAST TWO OF THEM HAVE HAD

606
00:18:41,222 --> 00:18:41,652
CHILDREN FROM THESE

607
00:18:41,655 --> 00:18:44,455
RELATIONSHIPS.

608
00:18:44,458 --> 00:18:44,989
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE

609
00:18:44,992 --> 00:18:46,824
CARRYING ON.

610
00:18:46,827 --> 00:18:48,660
WHICH DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY

611
00:18:48,663 --> 00:18:49,594
FORGOT THE PEOPLE WHO DIED, IT

612
00:18:49,597 --> 00:18:52,463
JUST MEANS THAT THEY STILL HAVE

613
00:18:52,466 --> 00:18:53,698
A LOT OF LIFE AHEAD OF THEM AND

614
00:18:53,701 --> 00:18:55,066
THEY NEED TO PLAN FOR THAT.

615
00:18:55,069 --> 00:18:57,735
>> THREE YEARS AFTER THE FIRE,

616
00:18:57,738 --> 00:18:58,703
HOW ARE YOU DESCRIBING THE BEGAN

617
00:18:58,706 --> 00:19:00,038
NET MOUNTAIN HOT SHOT CREW?

618
00:19:00,041 --> 00:19:00,371
>> THEY REALLY APPRECIATED

619
00:19:00,374 --> 00:19:02,707
NATURE.

620
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:03,875
THEY LOVED THE LAND THAT THEY

621
00:19:03,878 --> 00:19:05,543
WORKED ON.

622
00:19:05,546 --> 00:19:06,711
THEY LOVED ONE ANOTHER.

623
00:19:06,714 --> 00:19:07,979
THEY LOVED THEIR FAMILIES.

624
00:19:07,982 --> 00:19:09,414
THEY LOVED THE JOB THEY DID.

625
00:19:09,417 --> 00:19:10,214
AND THOSE THINGS ARE SO RARE

626
00:19:10,217 --> 00:19:13,651
THESE DAYS.

627
00:19:13,654 --> 00:19:15,019
PEOPLE WHO DO EVERYTHING THEY DO

628
00:19:15,022 --> 00:19:17,655
WITH PASSION.

629
00:19:17,658 --> 00:19:18,890
100% IN.

630
00:19:18,893 --> 00:19:21,826
AND -- MY OPINION OF THEM HAS

631
00:19:21,829 --> 00:19:24,095
NEVER CHANGED.

632
00:19:24,098 --> 00:19:25,296
YOU KNOW, I GOT TO LEARN ABOUT A

633
00:19:25,299 --> 00:19:27,165
LOT ABOUT THEIR PERSONAL LIVES.

634
00:19:27,168 --> 00:19:29,033
I GOT TO BERN ABOUT THE WAY SOME

635
00:19:29,036 --> 00:19:29,567
OF THEM STUMBLED ALONG THEIR

636
00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:31,235
PERSONAL LIVES.

637
00:19:31,238 --> 00:19:32,937
I GOT TO LEARN ABOUT HOW THEY

638
00:19:32,940 --> 00:19:34,605
PICKED THEMSELVES UP AND REBUILT

639
00:19:34,608 --> 00:19:35,506
THEIR LIVES.

640
00:19:35,509 --> 00:19:38,009
AND THEY HAVE NOTHING BUT MY

641
00:19:38,012 --> 00:19:41,312
RESPECT.

642
00:19:41,315 --> 00:19:43,448
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A

643
00:19:43,451 --> 00:19:45,216
SCIENTIST OR SOMEONE WHO

644
00:19:45,219 --> 00:19:45,550
DISCOVERS THE CURE TO SOME BIG

645
00:19:45,553 --> 00:19:48,953
DISEASE.

646
00:19:48,956 --> 00:19:50,254
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE

647
00:19:50,257 --> 00:19:50,588
LIKE THE WORLDWIDE EFFECT ON

648
00:19:50,591 --> 00:19:51,789
THINGS.

649
00:19:51,792 --> 00:19:53,224
YOU CAN BE A VERY SPECIAL

650
00:19:53,227 --> 00:19:55,059
INDIVIDUAL IN YOUR OWN WORLD.

651
00:19:55,062 --> 00:19:56,794
AND THOSE GUYS WERE SPECIAL IN

652
00:19:56,797 --> 00:19:58,129
THEIR OWN WAY TO THE PEOPLE THEY

653
00:19:58,132 --> 00:19:59,397
CARED ABOUT AND THE WORLD THEY

654
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,765
LIVED IN.

655
00:20:00,768 --> 00:20:03,434
AND FOR THAT I'M GRATEFUL

656
00:20:03,437 --> 00:20:04,569
BECAUSE THEY MADE ME UNDERSTAND

657
00:20:04,572 --> 00:20:05,703
THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE

658
00:20:05,706 --> 00:20:07,138
ORDINARY PEOPLE SOMETIMES.

659
00:20:07,141 --> 00:20:07,939
THE REGULAR PEOPLE WE SEE ON THE

660
00:20:07,942 --> 00:20:11,876
STREETS THAT YOU FIND THE MOST

661
00:20:11,879 --> 00:20:13,277
AMAZING OF STORIES.

662
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,746
>> BRENDAN SAYS THE LAST THREE

663
00:20:14,749 --> 00:20:15,146
YEARS HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY

664
00:20:15,149 --> 00:20:16,781
CHALLENGING.

665
00:20:16,784 --> 00:20:18,082
AND NOT A DAY GOES BY THAT HE

666
00:20:18,085 --> 00:20:21,052
DOESN'T REFLECT ON HIS TIME WITH

667
00:20:21,055 --> 00:20:23,121
HIS LOST BROTHERS.

668
00:20:23,124 --> 00:20:24,322
TELL ME, WHAT HAVE THE LAST FEW

669
00:20:24,325 --> 00:20:25,256
YEARS BEEN LIKE FOR YOU?

670
00:20:25,259 --> 00:20:28,993
HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THEM?

671
00:20:28,996 --> 00:20:31,863
>> LIVING HELL.

672
00:20:31,866 --> 00:20:34,632
THAT WAS THE BEGINNING.

673
00:20:34,635 --> 00:20:36,000
THEN IT JUST KIND OF -- RECENTLY

674
00:20:36,003 --> 00:20:37,502
I WOULD SAY, RIGHT AROUND THE

675
00:20:37,505 --> 00:20:38,703
TIME OF STARTING TO WRITE THIS

676
00:20:38,706 --> 00:20:41,806
BOOK, IT'S JUST BEEN GRADUALLY

677
00:20:41,809 --> 00:20:45,343
GETTING BETTER AND BETTER.

678
00:20:45,346 --> 00:20:47,745
GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE

679
00:20:47,748 --> 00:20:48,880
BOOK AND COUNSELING AT THE SAME

680
00:20:48,883 --> 00:20:49,914
TIME WAS PROBABLY THE BEST THING

681
00:20:49,917 --> 00:20:51,683
I COULD HAVE DONE.

682
00:20:51,686 --> 00:20:53,418
BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN ONE TO

683
00:20:53,421 --> 00:20:54,118
WRITE IN A DIARY.

684
00:20:54,121 --> 00:20:58,856
NEVER BEEN ONE TO TALK ABOUT

685
00:20:58,859 --> 00:21:00,992
SOMETHING.

686
00:21:00,995 --> 00:21:05,196
AND SO WHAT IT CAME DOWN TO WAS,

687
00:21:05,199 --> 00:21:06,931
I NEEDED TO TELL MY BROTHERS'

688
00:21:06,934 --> 00:21:08,299
STORY AND THE ONLY WAY I COULD

689
00:21:08,302 --> 00:21:10,535
TELL THAT WAS IF I OPENED UP.

690
00:21:10,538 --> 00:21:11,269
IT WASN'T ABOUT ME OPENING UP,

691
00:21:11,272 --> 00:21:13,538
IT WAS ABOUT ME OPENING UP FOR

692
00:21:13,541 --> 00:21:17,775
THEM.

693
00:21:17,778 --> 00:21:18,476
SO PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO READ

694
00:21:18,479 --> 00:21:20,578
THIS BOOK.

695
00:21:20,581 --> 00:21:23,581
AND THAT'S -- I'M JUST LITERALLY

696
00:21:23,584 --> 00:21:24,782
REALIZING THIS AS WE SIT HERE.

697
00:21:24,785 --> 00:21:27,085
THAT IF IT PROBABLY WASN'T FOR

698
00:21:27,088 --> 00:21:28,119
THE BOOK, I PROBABLY NEVER WOULD

699
00:21:28,122 --> 00:21:29,754
HAVE OPENED AND UP CONTINUED

700
00:21:29,757 --> 00:21:31,155
WITH COUNSELING.

701
00:21:31,158 --> 00:21:32,690
I PROBABLY WOULD NEVER HAVE DUG

702
00:21:32,693 --> 00:21:33,691
AS DEEP AS I DID TO TRY AND PUT

703
00:21:33,694 --> 00:21:35,093
EVERYTHING OUT THERE.

704
00:21:35,096 --> 00:21:35,393
>> HOW HAVE YOU MANAGED SINCE

705
00:21:35,396 --> 00:21:37,061
THEN?

706
00:21:37,064 --> 00:21:39,163
YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT HOW YOU

707
00:21:39,166 --> 00:21:39,464
WERE A DRUG USER, YOU WERE A

708
00:21:39,467 --> 00:21:41,733
FELON.

709
00:21:41,736 --> 00:21:44,802
THE HOT SHOTS SAVED YOUR LIFE.

710
00:21:44,805 --> 00:21:45,603
AND THEN YOU GET BACK INTO THIS

711
00:21:45,606 --> 00:21:46,504
DARK PLACE AGAIN.

712
00:21:46,507 --> 00:21:46,804
HOW DID YOU COME BACK UP FROM

713
00:21:46,807 --> 00:21:52,210
THAT?

714
00:21:52,213 --> 00:21:55,880
>> I THINK -- I CAN ADMIT THAT

715
00:21:55,883 --> 00:21:58,950
IT'S STILL A PROCESS TODAY.

716
00:21:58,953 --> 00:22:01,019
THAT THERE'S NO FINISH LINE.

717
00:22:01,022 --> 00:22:03,654
I THINK IT'S JUST A LIFELONG

718
00:22:03,657 --> 00:22:06,991
MARATHON.

719
00:22:06,994 --> 00:22:09,627
BUT KNOWING WHAT MY BROTHERS

720
00:22:09,630 --> 00:22:11,362
TAUGHT ME AND FIGHTING SO HARD,

721
00:22:11,365 --> 00:22:12,330
I KNEW THERE WAS NO WAY I'D GO

722
00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:14,565
BACK TO DRUGS.

723
00:22:14,568 --> 00:22:19,570
I JUST KNEW THERE'S NO WAY THAT

724
00:22:19,573 --> 00:22:21,172
I WANTED TO BE A PART OF THAT.

725
00:22:21,175 --> 00:22:22,507
THAT THAT'S THE LEGACY THAT I

726
00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:24,375
WANTED TO LEAVE BEHIND, THE

727
00:22:24,378 --> 00:22:25,376
SURVIVOR OVERDOSED ON HEROIN --

728
00:22:25,379 --> 00:22:26,110
THAT WASN'T SOMETHING -- I

729
00:22:26,113 --> 00:22:27,979
DIDN'T WANT MY PARENTS TO HAVE

730
00:22:27,982 --> 00:22:29,280
TO DEAL WITH, MY DAUGHTER, MY

731
00:22:29,283 --> 00:22:32,517
FAMILY, EVEN THE OTHER FAMILIES.

732
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,218
FOR ME TO SURVIVE AND THEN TO GO

733
00:22:34,221 --> 00:22:36,954
DOWN THAT DESTRUCTIVE PATH WOULD

734
00:22:36,957 --> 00:22:39,357
HAVE BEEN A SLAP IN THE FACE.

735
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,858
AND I CAN ADMIT THIS TOO,

736
00:22:40,861 --> 00:22:41,826
THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS

737
00:22:41,829 --> 00:22:43,194
RECENTLY WITHIN THE LAST THREE

738
00:22:43,197 --> 00:22:45,229
YEARS THAT I'VE DONE THAT I'M

739
00:22:45,232 --> 00:22:48,533
NOT PROUD OF.

740
00:22:48,536 --> 00:22:50,134
YOU KNOW, I'VE FILLED VOIDS WITH

741
00:22:50,137 --> 00:22:51,769
THINGS THAT AREN'T GOING TO --

742
00:22:51,772 --> 00:22:52,136
THAT WEREN'T GOING TO HELP ME

743
00:22:52,139 --> 00:22:52,870
PROGRESS.

744
00:22:52,873 --> 00:22:55,473
AND I CAN ADMIT THAT.

745
00:22:55,476 --> 00:22:57,008
AND NOW GOING THROUGH COUNSELING

746
00:22:57,011 --> 00:22:58,443
I CAN LOOK BACK AND SAY, THOSE

747
00:22:58,446 --> 00:22:59,677
ARE NOT THE THINGS I WANT TO

748
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,479
FILL MY HEART WITH, THESE ARE

749
00:23:01,482 --> 00:23:02,880
THE THINGS I WANT TO FILL MY

750
00:23:02,883 --> 00:23:05,350
HEART WITH, THESE ARE THE THINGS

751
00:23:05,353 --> 00:23:06,017
THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE ME A

752
00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:06,351
BETTER PERSON AND A BETTER

753
00:23:06,354 --> 00:23:08,786
FATHER.

754
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:10,455
IT MAY NOT BE FIREFIGHTING BUT

755
00:23:10,458 --> 00:23:12,490
THERE'S OTHER WAYS I CAN FEEL

756
00:23:12,493 --> 00:23:13,591
THAT FULFILLMENT OF GIVING BACK.

757
00:23:13,594 --> 00:23:16,194
>> YOU ASKED YOURSELF A LOT

758
00:23:16,197 --> 00:23:16,461
THEN, WHY DID I SURVIVE, WHY NOT

759
00:23:16,464 --> 00:23:18,196
ME?

760
00:23:18,199 --> 00:23:19,697
WHAT HAVE YOU DECIDED WAS THE

761
00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:22,567
ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS?

762
00:23:22,570 --> 00:23:24,168
>> I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

763
00:23:24,171 --> 00:23:25,603
I DO HAVE AN ANSWER -- GOD.

764
00:23:25,606 --> 00:23:27,138
IT'S GOD.

765
00:23:27,141 --> 00:23:30,241
THAT'S MY ANSWER.

766
00:23:30,244 --> 00:23:35,313
WHY I SURVIVED -- A DEFINITION

767
00:23:35,316 --> 00:23:36,547
OR MORE INFORMATION -- I CAN'T

768
00:23:36,550 --> 00:23:38,883
EVEN FATHOM OR TRY TO BEGIN TO

769
00:23:38,886 --> 00:23:40,585
TRY AND EXPLAIN THAT.

770
00:23:40,588 --> 00:23:42,320
I JUST KNOW THAT I'M HERE TODAY

771
00:23:42,323 --> 00:23:43,654
AND THAT I HAVE A PURPOSE AND

772
00:23:43,657 --> 00:23:45,323
THAT I NEED TO CONTINUE TO TRY

773
00:23:45,326 --> 00:23:46,657
AND LIVE OUT THAT PURPOSE.

774
00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:48,159
>> YOU'RE TALKING WITH PEOPLE

775
00:23:48,162 --> 00:23:49,594
ABOUT THIS EXPERIENCE.

776
00:23:49,597 --> 00:23:52,230
WHAT DO YOU WANT EVERYONE ELSE

777
00:23:52,233 --> 00:23:54,499
TO GAIN FROM THIS?

778
00:23:54,502 --> 00:23:57,502
>> I THINK WHAT I WANT PEOPLE TO

779
00:23:57,505 --> 00:23:59,237
GAIN FROM WHEN I SPEAK IS JUST

780
00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:59,937
THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT THE FACT

781
00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:02,573
THAT WE'RE GOING TO STRUGGLE

782
00:24:02,576 --> 00:24:03,408
THROUGH THINGS.

783
00:24:03,411 --> 00:24:06,277
AND THAT IT'S OKAY TO REACH OUT

784
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,646
FOR HELP.

785
00:24:08,649 --> 00:24:09,113
WE LOSE SO MANY VETERANS TO

786
00:24:09,116 --> 00:24:12,784
SUICIDE.

787
00:24:12,787 --> 00:24:16,387
WE LOSE SO MANY POLICE UNITS,

788
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:17,855
FIRE PERSONNEL, TO THIS EPIDEMIC

789
00:24:17,858 --> 00:24:21,492
OF THEM NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE

790
00:24:21,495 --> 00:24:23,161
WITH ASKING FOR HELP.

791
00:24:23,164 --> 00:24:26,597
AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST STEP.

792
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,667
AND I THINK IT'S ALMOST ONE OF

793
00:24:29,670 --> 00:24:30,535
THE EASIEST ONES.

794
00:24:30,538 --> 00:24:33,404
IS JUST TO ASK FOR HELP AND THE

795
00:24:33,407 --> 00:24:34,939
REST WILL COME.

796
00:24:34,942 --> 00:24:35,273
AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SPEAK

797
00:24:35,276 --> 00:24:35,973
ABOUT.

798
00:24:35,976 --> 00:24:38,743
THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO TELL

799
00:24:38,746 --> 00:24:39,110
PEOPLE.

800
00:24:39,113 --> 00:24:43,381
AND SHARE.

801
00:24:43,384 --> 00:24:46,551
BECAUSE -- THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH

802
00:24:46,554 --> 00:24:47,452
I CAN SAY WITHOUT GOING, NO.

803
00:24:47,455 --> 00:24:48,886
THERE'S ONLY SO MANY ANSWERS

804
00:24:48,889 --> 00:24:49,520
THAT I DON'T HAVE AND A LOT OF

805
00:24:49,523 --> 00:24:52,156
US DON'T HAVE.

806
00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:53,524
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW WHAT IS I'VE

807
00:24:53,527 --> 00:24:54,325
BEEN THROUGH AND WHAT'S HELPED

808
00:24:54,328 --> 00:24:56,327
ME GET HERE TODAY.

809
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:57,996
>> WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO WRITE

810
00:24:57,999 --> 00:24:58,896
"MY LOST BROTHERS"?

811
00:24:58,899 --> 00:25:00,231
YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T SOMEBODY

812
00:25:00,234 --> 00:25:00,965
WHO WROTE IN A DIARY OR THOUGHT

813
00:25:00,968 --> 00:25:02,166
ABOUT THIS SORT OF THING.

814
00:25:02,169 --> 00:25:08,139
WHY DID YOU DO IT?

815
00:25:08,142 --> 00:25:08,806
>> I WROTE IT -- BECAUSE IT'S AN

816
00:25:08,809 --> 00:25:12,110
OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THEIR

817
00:25:12,113 --> 00:25:14,779
LEGACY.

818
00:25:14,782 --> 00:25:16,347
AND TALKING WITH MY MOM, SHE HAD

819
00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:19,984
SEEN WHAT HAD BEEN PORTRAYED TO

820
00:25:19,987 --> 00:25:20,351
THE MEDIA AND WHAT HAD KIND OF

821
00:25:20,354 --> 00:25:21,986
UNFOLDED.

822
00:25:21,989 --> 00:25:24,789
AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY EVER

823
00:25:24,792 --> 00:25:29,761
GOT THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRULY

824
00:25:29,764 --> 00:25:32,397
LEARN HOW THEY SAVED MY LIFE.

825
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,199
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS DOVE INTO

826
00:25:35,202 --> 00:25:35,566
ENOUGH FOR ME TO BE SATISFIED,

827
00:25:35,569 --> 00:25:36,968
YOU KNOW.

828
00:25:36,971 --> 00:25:38,503
FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO LOOK BACK

829
00:25:38,506 --> 00:25:41,706
AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I FEEL

830
00:25:41,709 --> 00:25:45,777
LIKE PEOPLE KNOW.

831
00:25:45,780 --> 00:25:46,511
HOW DEEP I WAS, IN SUCH A DARK

832
00:25:46,514 --> 00:25:47,745
PLACE, AND WHERE THEY PULLED ME

833
00:25:47,748 --> 00:25:49,847
OUT OF.

834
00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:51,115
I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I WAS ABLE TO

835
00:25:51,118 --> 00:25:53,084
EXPRESS THAT.

836
00:25:53,087 --> 00:25:54,552
KNEW IF I TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE

837
00:25:54,555 --> 00:25:56,354
THIS BOOK THAT I COULD DO THAT.

838
00:25:56,357 --> 00:25:58,656
I COULD EXPRESS TO PEOPLE, I

839
00:25:58,659 --> 00:25:59,924
COULD SHOW THEM ALL MY

840
00:25:59,927 --> 00:26:01,059
VULNERABILITIES.

841
00:26:01,062 --> 00:26:03,328
I DON'T LIKE TALKING ABOUT BEING

842
00:26:03,331 --> 00:26:04,829
A DRUG ADDICT.

843
00:26:04,832 --> 00:26:05,797
THOSE AREN'T THINGS I'M PROUD

844
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:06,531
OF, THOSE AREN'T DECISIONS I'M

845
00:26:06,534 --> 00:26:10,068
HAPPY ABOUT, THOSE THINGS TURN

846
00:26:10,071 --> 00:26:13,137
MY STOMACH.

847
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:15,573
BUT IF IT MEANS SHEDDING LIGHT

848
00:26:15,576 --> 00:26:16,741
TO THOSE THINGS AND FOR PEOPLE

849
00:26:16,744 --> 00:26:21,079
TO UNDERSTAND HOW FAR MY

850
00:26:21,082 --> 00:26:21,879
BROTHERS WENT FOR ME -- THEN

851
00:26:21,882 --> 00:26:24,415
IT'S ALL WORTH IT.

852
00:26:24,418 --> 00:26:24,782
>> WHAT IS NEXT FOR BRENDAN

853
00:26:24,785 --> 00:26:27,352
McDONOUGH?

854
00:26:27,355 --> 00:26:28,252
>> WHAT IS NEXT FOR ME?

855
00:26:28,255 --> 00:26:31,055
I THINK JUST LIVING A LIFE THAT

856
00:26:31,058 --> 00:26:32,857
HONORS THEM.

857
00:26:32,860 --> 00:26:33,191
THAT'S DEFINITELY A LIFE WORTH

858
00:26:33,194 --> 00:26:36,260
LIVING.

859
00:26:36,263 --> 00:26:38,396
AND BEING A DAD AND TRYING TO

860
00:26:38,399 --> 00:26:42,333
JUST BE AN ADVOCATE FOR PEOPLE

861
00:26:42,336 --> 00:26:44,435
THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO KNOW AND

862
00:26:44,438 --> 00:26:48,740
BE WILLING TO ACCEPT HELP.

863
00:26:48,743 --> 00:26:50,575
I SEE TOO MANY GREAT MEN AND

864
00:26:50,578 --> 00:26:52,844
WOMEN LOSE THEMSELVES TO SUICIDE

865
00:26:52,847 --> 00:26:55,646
AND THEIR FAMILIES AND I WANT TO

866
00:26:55,649 --> 00:26:57,148
BE A BETTER PART OF FIXING THAT.

867
00:26:57,151 --> 00:26:58,016
I MEAN, THEY'VE GIVEN SO MUCH

868
00:26:58,019 --> 00:27:00,351
FOR OUR COUNTRY.

869
00:27:00,354 --> 00:27:01,219
WITHOUT THEM WE WOULDN'T HAVE

870
00:27:01,222 --> 00:27:01,719
THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE

871
00:27:01,722 --> 00:27:02,687
SITTING HERE.

872
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:03,988
I WOULDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY

873
00:27:03,991 --> 00:27:06,090
TO WRITE A BOOK.

874
00:27:06,093 --> 00:27:07,291
YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN ANOTHER

875
00:27:07,294 --> 00:27:08,292
COUNTRY, YOU DON'T HAVE THE

876
00:27:08,295 --> 00:27:10,628
OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

877
00:27:10,631 --> 00:27:12,130
IT'S THEIR SACRIFICES.

878
00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:13,231
THEY THOUGHT WE WERE WORTH IT.

879
00:27:13,234 --> 00:27:14,932
I WANT TO BE WORTH IT.

880
00:27:14,935 --> 00:27:15,333
I WANT TO BE WORTH ALL THEIR

881
00:27:15,336 --> 00:27:18,269
SACRIFICES.

882
00:27:18,272 --> 00:27:20,738
I WANT THE PEOPLE AROUND ME TO

883
00:27:20,741 --> 00:27:22,273
FEEL LIKE, THE MEN AND WOMEN

884
00:27:22,276 --> 00:27:23,708
THAT HAVE DIED, THEY CAN LOOK AT

885
00:27:23,711 --> 00:27:27,578
US AND THEY CAN SIT THERE AND

886
00:27:27,581 --> 00:27:29,347
SAY, THEY'RE WORTH IT.

887
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:31,983
>> BRENDAN AND FERNANDEZ SAY

888
00:27:31,986 --> 00:27:33,317
THEIR BOOKS WERE NOT ABOUT THE

889
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,519
YARNELL HILL FIRE BUT RATHER

890
00:27:34,522 --> 00:27:36,654
ABOUT THE LEGACY AND THE LIVES

891
00:27:36,657 --> 00:27:38,156
OF THE 19 MEN.

892
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:41,092
FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC