WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:05.304 >>> IT'S A DAY AMERICANS WILL NEVER FORGET, LOOKING BACK ON 00:05.306 --> 00:05.738 NEVER FORGET, LOOKING BACK ON THE -- 00:05.740 --> 00:13.245 >>> IT'S A DAY AMERICANS WILL NEVER FORGET. 00:13.247 --> 00:16.248 NEVER FORGET. LOOKING BACK ON THE TERROR OF 00:16.250 --> 00:16.548 LOOKING BACK ON THE TERROR OF 9/11. 00:16.550 --> 00:20.352 9/11. >> IN MY MIND, THE THING THAT I 00:20.354 --> 00:23.022 >> IN MY MIND, THE THING THAT I REMEMBER MOST IS THIS 00:23.024 --> 00:26.892 REMEMBER MOST IS THIS REDDISH-ORANGE FIREBALL ROLLING 00:26.894 --> 00:28.527 REDDISH-ORANGE FIREBALL ROLLING OVER THE TOP OF THE PENTAGON 00:28.529 --> 00:30.162 OVER THE TOP OF THE PENTAGON TOWARDS THE POTOMAC RIVER. 00:30.164 --> 00:32.364 TOWARDS THE POTOMAC RIVER. >> AND A BORDER EXPERT WEIGHS IN 00:32.366 --> 00:34.800 >> AND A BORDER EXPERT WEIGHS IN ON WHETHER A THREAT EXISTS ALONG 00:34.802 --> 00:36.735 ON WHETHER A THREAT EXISTS ALONG OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. 00:36.737 --> 00:40.239 OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. >> IF A MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL WERE 00:40.241 --> 00:42.541 >> IF A MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL WERE EVER TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH HARD 00:42.543 --> 00:44.109 EVER TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH HARD EVIDENCE WITH A TERRORIST 00:44.111 --> 00:45.744 EVIDENCE WITH A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, THERE IS NO FASTER 00:45.746 --> 00:47.980 ORGANIZATION, THERE IS NO FASTER WAY TO SHUT DOWN A 00:47.982 --> 00:51.617 WAY TO SHUT DOWN A DRUG-SMUGGLING OR HUMAN 00:51.619 --> 00:52.418 DRUG-SMUGGLING OR HUMAN SMUGGLING OPERATION. 00:52.420 --> 00:55.020 SMUGGLING OPERATION. >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." 00:55.022 --> 00:57.256 >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." ¶ 00:57.258 --> 01:02.127 >>> HELLO AND THANKS FOR JOINING US. 01:02.129 --> 01:05.197 US. I'M LORRAINE RIVETTA, LAST WEEK 01:05.199 --> 01:07.533 I'M LORRAINE RIVETTA, LAST WEEK WE TOLD YOU REPUBLICAN 01:07.535 --> 01:09.468 WE TOLD YOU REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE DOUG 01:09.470 --> 01:11.070 GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE DOUG DOOSEY WOULD BE ON THIS PROGRAM. 01:11.072 --> 01:12.671 DOOSEY WOULD BE ON THIS PROGRAM. ON MONDAY HIS OFFICE CANCELED 01:12.673 --> 01:14.073 ON MONDAY HIS OFFICE CANCELED AND RESCHEDULED OUR INTERVIEW. 01:14.075 --> 01:15.474 AND RESCHEDULED OUR INTERVIEW. WE EXPECT TO INTERVIEW HIM NEXT 01:15.476 --> 01:17.342 WE EXPECT TO INTERVIEW HIM NEXT WEEK AND HAVE THE INTERVIEW NEXT 01:17.344 --> 01:17.776 WEEK AND HAVE THE INTERVIEW NEXT FRIDAY. 01:17.778 --> 01:19.812 FRIDAY. BACK TO THIS PROGRAM. 01:19.814 --> 01:21.146 BACK TO THIS PROGRAM. SEPTEMBER 11th WAS THE LARGEST 01:21.148 --> 01:23.482 SEPTEMBER 11th WAS THE LARGEST TERRORIST ATTACK ON U.S. SOIL. 01:23.484 --> 01:25.751 TERRORIST ATTACK ON U.S. SOIL. NEARLY 3,000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED 01:25.753 --> 01:28.020 NEARLY 3,000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED WHEN COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS FLEW 01:28.022 --> 01:28.754 WHEN COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS FLEW INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TWIN 01:28.756 --> 01:32.024 INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TWIN TOWERS AND THE PENTAGON. 01:32.026 --> 01:36.295 TOWERS AND THE PENTAGON. TONY COHLSON WAS A DRUG 01:36.297 --> 01:36.995 TONY COHLSON WAS A DRUG ENFORCEMENT AGENT AT THE TIME 01:36.997 --> 01:37.763 ENFORCEMENT AGENT AT THE TIME AND WAS IN BAESHDS. 01:37.765 --> 01:40.165 AND WAS IN BAESHDS. NOW RETIRED AND LIVING IN 01:40.167 --> 01:42.067 NOW RETIRED AND LIVING IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, IN HIS OWN 01:42.069 --> 01:42.768 SOUTHERN ARIZONA, IN HIS OWN WORDS, HE TELLS US ABOUT THAT 01:42.770 --> 01:45.804 WORDS, HE TELLS US ABOUT THAT DAY. 01:45.806 --> 01:48.140 DAY. >> I ACTUALLY WAS WORKING, I 01:48.142 --> 01:49.942 >> I ACTUALLY WAS WORKING, I ACTUALLY GOT IN THAT MORNING 01:49.944 --> 01:50.476 ACTUALLY GOT IN THAT MORNING FROM NEW YORK CITY. 01:50.478 --> 01:52.644 FROM NEW YORK CITY. I CAME IN, CAUGHT A TRAIN BACK 01:52.646 --> 01:58.183 I CAME IN, CAUGHT A TRAIN BACK TO D.C., BECAUSE I WAS IN NEW 01:58.185 --> 02:00.552 TO D.C., BECAUSE I WAS IN NEW YORK, ON WORKING AND DOING SOME 02:00.554 --> 02:03.522 YORK, ON WORKING AND DOING SOME WORK THERE AND CAME BACK THAT 02:03.524 --> 02:03.856 WORK THERE AND CAME BACK THAT MORNING. 02:03.858 --> 02:04.556 MORNING. INTO HEADQUARTERS. 02:04.558 --> 02:09.761 INTO HEADQUARTERS. SO WHEN I CAME IN, THE DAME 02:09.763 --> 02:11.430 SO WHEN I CAME IN, THE DAME STARTED OFF NORMAL FOR ALL OF 02:11.432 --> 02:11.697 STARTED OFF NORMAL FOR ALL OF US. 02:11.699 --> 02:14.032 US. AND PRETTY SOON IT WAS A, YOU 02:14.034 --> 02:15.567 AND PRETTY SOON IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, A PLANE HIT ONE OF THE 02:15.569 --> 02:16.802 KNOW, A PLANE HIT ONE OF THE TOWERS IN NEW YORK. 02:16.804 --> 02:20.873 TOWERS IN NEW YORK. AND OF COURSE, EVERYONE IN DEA 02:20.875 --> 02:21.974 AND OF COURSE, EVERYONE IN DEA HEADQUARTERS AND AROUND THE 02:21.976 --> 02:24.476 HEADQUARTERS AND AROUND THE WORLD SWITCHED ON THE TVs AND 02:24.478 --> 02:26.145 WORLD SWITCHED ON THE TVs AND STARTED WATCHING WITH HORROR AND 02:26.147 --> 02:29.615 STARTED WATCHING WITH HORROR AND FASCINATION AT THE SAME TIME. 02:29.617 --> 02:33.719 FASCINATION AT THE SAME TIME. OF HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN. 02:33.721 --> 02:35.787 OF HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN. SOON AFTER THAT, A SECOND PLANE 02:35.789 --> 02:38.790 SOON AFTER THAT, A SECOND PLANE HIT THE OTHER TOWER. 02:38.792 --> 02:42.094 HIT THE OTHER TOWER. AND IT WAS IN THAT INSTANCE THAT 02:42.096 --> 02:43.428 AND IT WAS IN THAT INSTANCE THAT AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, 02:43.430 --> 02:48.433 AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, FROM WHERE I WAS STANDING, THAT 02:48.435 --> 02:52.738 FROM WHERE I WAS STANDING, THAT DEA, WE REALIZE THAT WE WERE 02:52.740 --> 02:54.873 DEA, WE REALIZE THAT WE WERE UNDER ATTACK. 02:54.875 --> 02:56.542 UNDER ATTACK. AND THINGS STARTED TO CHANGE 02:56.544 --> 02:57.209 AND THINGS STARTED TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY FOR US AT THAT 02:57.211 --> 02:59.711 DRAMATICALLY FOR US AT THAT MOMENT. 02:59.713 --> 03:03.315 MOMENT. I WALKED TO MY BOSS'S OFFICE, 03:03.317 --> 03:07.653 I WALKED TO MY BOSS'S OFFICE, WHICH WAS ON THE OVERLOOKING THE 03:07.655 --> 03:09.388 WHICH WAS ON THE OVERLOOKING THE PENTAGON, OVERLOOKING THE SIDE 03:09.390 --> 03:10.122 PENTAGON, OVERLOOKING THE SIDE OF THE PENTAGON WHERE THE PLANE 03:10.124 --> 03:12.758 OF THE PENTAGON WHERE THE PLANE STRUCK. 03:12.760 --> 03:15.594 STRUCK. AND BEFORE, BEFORE THE PLANE 03:15.596 --> 03:18.030 AND BEFORE, BEFORE THE PLANE STRUCK THE PENTAGON. 03:18.032 --> 03:19.298 STRUCK THE PENTAGON. AND YOU REMEMBER CERTAIN 03:19.300 --> 03:22.935 AND YOU REMEMBER CERTAIN INSTANCES IN THAT DAY SO 03:22.937 --> 03:25.871 INSTANCES IN THAT DAY SO CLEARLY, THAT YOU RECALL. 03:25.873 --> 03:27.072 CLEARLY, THAT YOU RECALL. AND I REMEMBER SITTING THERE 03:27.074 --> 03:30.409 AND I REMEMBER SITTING THERE WITH MY BOSS, WHO WAS THEN THE 03:30.411 --> 03:32.344 WITH MY BOSS, WHO WAS THEN THE ACTING DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF 03:32.346 --> 03:32.611 ACTING DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF DEA. 03:32.613 --> 03:34.413 DEA. AND WE'RE LOOKING OUT THE 03:34.415 --> 03:36.481 AND WE'RE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW. 03:36.483 --> 03:38.116 WINDOW. AND WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING AT 03:38.118 --> 03:40.619 AND WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PENTAGON AND WE WERE JUST 03:40.621 --> 03:41.320 THE PENTAGON AND WE WERE JUST SAYING, THAT'S A TARGET OVER 03:41.322 --> 03:43.722 SAYING, THAT'S A TARGET OVER THERE. 03:43.724 --> 03:45.457 THERE. AND WE'RE THE TALLEST BUILDINGS 03:45.459 --> 03:49.228 AND WE'RE THE TALLEST BUILDINGS NEXT TO THAT TARGET. 03:49.230 --> 03:51.763 NEXT TO THAT TARGET. AND WE'RE UNDER ATTACK. 03:51.765 --> 03:55.701 AND WE'RE UNDER ATTACK. WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO 03:55.703 --> 03:57.703 WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MOBILIZE AROUND THIS, THIS 03:57.705 --> 03:58.003 MOBILIZE AROUND THIS, THIS ISSUE. 03:58.005 --> 04:00.405 ISSUE. AND I REMEMBER WALKING BACK TO 04:00.407 --> 04:06.044 AND I REMEMBER WALKING BACK TO MY OFFICE, WHICH WAS YOU KNOW, 04:06.046 --> 04:08.213 MY OFFICE, WHICH WAS YOU KNOW, 20 FEET DOWN THE HALL, STANDING 04:08.215 --> 04:12.284 20 FEET DOWN THE HALL, STANDING IN MY OFFICE WHEN THE PLANE HIT 04:12.286 --> 04:12.918 IN MY OFFICE WHEN THE PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON. 04:12.920 --> 04:15.220 THE PENTAGON. AND ALTHOUGH I COULDN'T SEE THE 04:15.222 --> 04:17.389 AND ALTHOUGH I COULDN'T SEE THE IMPACT OF IT, YOU COULD HEAR IT, 04:17.391 --> 04:18.924 IMPACT OF IT, YOU COULD HEAR IT, YOU COULD FEEL THE BUILDING 04:18.926 --> 04:21.860 YOU COULD FEEL THE BUILDING SHAKE THAT WE WERE IN, BECAUSE 04:21.862 --> 04:24.830 SHAKE THAT WE WERE IN, BECAUSE WE WERE ONLY A FEW HUNDRED YARDS 04:24.832 --> 04:26.865 WE WERE ONLY A FEW HUNDRED YARDS AWAY FROM THE SIDE OF THE 04:26.867 --> 04:27.232 AWAY FROM THE SIDE OF THE PENTAGON. 04:27.234 --> 04:30.869 PENTAGON. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 04:30.871 --> 04:31.236 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. 04:31.238 --> 04:35.540 FREEWAY. AND IN MY MIND, THE THING THAT I 04:35.542 --> 04:38.777 AND IN MY MIND, THE THING THAT I REMEMBER MOST IS THIS REDDISH 04:38.779 --> 04:41.280 REMEMBER MOST IS THIS REDDISH ORANGE FIREBALL ROLLING OVER THE 04:41.282 --> 04:43.181 ORANGE FIREBALL ROLLING OVER THE TOP OF THE PENTAGON TOWARDS THE 04:43.183 --> 04:44.650 TOP OF THE PENTAGON TOWARDS THE POTOMAC RIVER. 04:44.652 --> 04:46.585 POTOMAC RIVER. BECAUSE THE PLANE HIT ON THE 04:46.587 --> 04:50.622 BECAUSE THE PLANE HIT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 04:50.624 --> 04:52.591 OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND I REMEMBER OUR STAFF 04:52.593 --> 04:53.925 AND I REMEMBER OUR STAFF ASSISTANT, AND THE SECRETARY, I 04:53.927 --> 04:55.494 ASSISTANT, AND THE SECRETARY, I REMEMBER THE LOOK ON HER FACE, 04:55.496 --> 05:02.167 REMEMBER THE LOOK ON HER FACE, THE HORROR, THE TERRIFIED TO THE 05:02.169 --> 05:03.702 THE HORROR, THE TERRIFIED TO THE BONE. 05:03.704 --> 05:05.871 BONE. AND THAT'S WHEN AN EMERGENCY 05:05.873 --> 05:07.673 AND THAT'S WHEN AN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WHERE 05:07.675 --> 05:08.640 SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WHERE TRAINING KICKS IN. 05:08.642 --> 05:12.778 TRAINING KICKS IN. AND YOU JUST START REACTING 05:12.780 --> 05:13.211 AND YOU JUST START REACTING AUTOMATICALLY. 05:13.213 --> 05:15.714 AUTOMATICALLY. ESPECIALLY FROM A LAW 05:15.716 --> 05:16.982 ESPECIALLY FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT. 05:16.984 --> 05:18.850 ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT. YOU START ASSESSING THE 05:18.852 --> 05:20.018 YOU START ASSESSING THE PERSONNEL AROUND YOU, MAKING 05:20.020 --> 05:21.486 PERSONNEL AROUND YOU, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY, THAT 05:21.488 --> 05:22.554 SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY, THAT THEY'RE CALM. 05:22.556 --> 05:24.389 THEY'RE CALM. AND THEN YOU KNOW, MY FIRST 05:24.391 --> 05:28.927 AND THEN YOU KNOW, MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS -- YOU KNOW, TO MY 05:28.929 --> 05:30.896 RESPONSE WAS -- YOU KNOW, TO MY BOSS, SITTING AND MANY ON THAT 05:30.898 --> 05:32.631 BOSS, SITTING AND MANY ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY 05:32.633 --> 05:34.633 SIDE OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY OBSERVED THE AIRCRAFT COMING IN. 05:34.635 --> 05:36.535 OBSERVED THE AIRCRAFT COMING IN. AND IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE A LOT OF 05:36.537 --> 05:39.905 AND IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THEY 05:39.907 --> 05:40.939 FOLKS DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THEY COULD HEAR THE ENGINES. 05:40.941 --> 05:42.708 COULD HEAR THE ENGINES. THEY COULD HEAR THE ENGINES 05:42.710 --> 05:44.543 THEY COULD HEAR THE ENGINES REVVING AS IT CAME IN. 05:44.545 --> 05:46.578 REVVING AS IT CAME IN. AND HIT THE PENTAGON. 05:46.580 --> 05:49.614 AND HIT THE PENTAGON. AND THEN THE DEVASTATION FROM 05:49.616 --> 05:53.251 AND THEN THE DEVASTATION FROM THAT, THE FIRES THAT BROKE OUT, 05:53.253 --> 05:54.086 THAT, THE FIRES THAT BROKE OUT, THE SMOKE. 05:54.088 --> 05:57.089 THE SMOKE. BECAME PRETTY, PRETTY POWERFUL, 05:57.091 --> 06:00.859 BECAME PRETTY, PRETTY POWERFUL, OUR FIRST RESPONSE WAS. 06:00.861 --> 06:04.029 OUR FIRST RESPONSE WAS. TO MANAGE WHAT WAS COMING OVER 06:04.031 --> 06:08.233 TO MANAGE WHAT WAS COMING OVER FROM THE PENTAGON INTO OUR AREA. 06:08.235 --> 06:13.238 FROM THE PENTAGON INTO OUR AREA. AND SO DEA, LAW ENFORCEMENT, 06:13.240 --> 06:16.108 AND SO DEA, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRST RESPONDERS SET UP A TRIAGE 06:16.110 --> 06:18.377 FIRST RESPONDERS SET UP A TRIAGE ON THE ACTUAL LAWN OF THE DEA 06:18.379 --> 06:21.012 ON THE ACTUAL LAWN OF THE DEA HEADQUARTERS, A TRIAGE CENTER. 06:21.014 --> 06:23.281 HEADQUARTERS, A TRIAGE CENTER. AND AS FIRE AND POLICE 06:23.283 --> 06:25.650 AND AS FIRE AND POLICE RESPONDED, AS THE MILITARY 06:25.652 --> 06:28.487 RESPONDED, AS THE MILITARY RESPONDED, WE WOULD GO OUT IN 06:28.489 --> 06:32.357 RESPONDED, WE WOULD GO OUT IN THE FRONT PART OF THE LAWN WAS, 06:32.359 --> 06:33.692 THE FRONT PART OF THE LAWN WAS, EVACUATING THE WALKING WOUNDED 06:33.694 --> 06:36.495 EVACUATING THE WALKING WOUNDED TO THAT PLACE. 06:36.497 --> 06:39.998 TO THAT PLACE. AND SO IT WAS KIND OF, IT WAS 06:40.000 --> 06:40.766 AND SO IT WAS KIND OF, IT WAS KIND OF SURREAL. 06:40.768 --> 06:43.602 KIND OF SURREAL. AND WE HAD TO EVACUATE 2500 06:43.604 --> 06:45.570 AND WE HAD TO EVACUATE 2500 PEOPLE FROM TWO BUILDINGS AND WE 06:45.572 --> 06:47.739 PEOPLE FROM TWO BUILDINGS AND WE HAD ANOTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDING 06:47.741 --> 06:48.673 HAD ANOTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDING IN CRYSTAL CITY. 06:48.675 --> 06:51.610 IN CRYSTAL CITY. SO WE HAD TO CONCERN OURSELVES 06:51.612 --> 06:54.146 SO WE HAD TO CONCERN OURSELVES ABOUT EVACUATION OF THOSE 06:54.148 --> 06:54.513 ABOUT EVACUATION OF THOSE PERSONNEL. 06:54.515 --> 06:57.382 PERSONNEL. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE SMOKE 06:57.384 --> 06:58.984 AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE SMOKE FROM THE PENTAGON WAS COMING IN 06:58.986 --> 07:01.353 FROM THE PENTAGON WAS COMING IN THE DIRECTION OF OUR BUILDING. 07:01.355 --> 07:02.621 THE DIRECTION OF OUR BUILDING. AND OUR AIR CONDITIONING UNITS 07:02.623 --> 07:04.423 AND OUR AIR CONDITIONING UNITS WERE ACTUALLY BRINGING IN SMOKE 07:04.425 --> 07:06.591 WERE ACTUALLY BRINGING IN SMOKE INTO THE BUILDING. 07:06.593 --> 07:11.863 INTO THE BUILDING. SO WE EVACUATED THE BUILDING, WE 07:11.865 --> 07:13.265 SO WE EVACUATED THE BUILDING, WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT, I'M SITTING 07:13.267 --> 07:14.433 HAD TO FIGURE OUT, I'M SITTING WITH THE BOSS WHO IS DIRECTING 07:14.435 --> 07:17.068 WITH THE BOSS WHO IS DIRECTING THIS FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE, 07:17.070 --> 07:21.840 THIS FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE 07:21.842 --> 07:23.942 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD GET PEOPLE BACK ON THE 07:23.944 --> 07:24.910 COULD GET PEOPLE BACK ON THE ROADS AND BACK HOME. 07:24.912 --> 07:27.312 ROADS AND BACK HOME. WHICH WAS GOING TO BE A 07:27.314 --> 07:28.613 WHICH WAS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE FOR US. 07:28.615 --> 07:32.150 NIGHTMARE FOR US. WE CLOSED DOWN DEA HEADQUARTERS, 07:32.152 --> 07:36.154 WE CLOSED DOWN DEA HEADQUARTERS, LEFT A SIZEABLE AGENT SECURITY 07:36.156 --> 07:38.190 LEFT A SIZEABLE AGENT SECURITY FORCE AT THE FACILITY. 07:38.192 --> 07:41.693 FORCE AT THE FACILITY. AND MOVED TO OUR ALTERNATE 07:41.695 --> 07:43.762 AND MOVED TO OUR ALTERNATE COMMAND SITE IN VIRGINIA. 07:43.764 --> 07:50.168 COMMAND SITE IN VIRGINIA. AS WE GATHERED OUT YOU KNOW, 20, 07:50.170 --> 07:52.704 AS WE GATHERED OUT YOU KNOW, 20, 30 MINUTES AFTER THE PLANE 07:52.706 --> 07:56.975 30 MINUTES AFTER THE PLANE CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON, 07:56.977 --> 07:58.109 CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON, ALREADY ALL THE COMMERCIAL 07:58.111 --> 08:00.212 ALREADY ALL THE COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN BROUGHT DOWN 08:00.214 --> 08:02.647 AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THE GROUND LEVEL, TO AIRPORTS 08:02.649 --> 08:03.882 TO THE GROUND LEVEL, TO AIRPORTS WHEREVER THEY WERE. 08:03.884 --> 08:06.117 WHEREVER THEY WERE. AIR TRAFFIC STOPPED LITERALLY. 08:06.119 --> 08:10.422 AIR TRAFFIC STOPPED LITERALLY. IN THE UNITED STATES. 08:10.424 --> 08:14.159 IN THE UNITED STATES. AND IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE 08:14.161 --> 08:15.193 AND IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE SURREAL MOMENTS WHEN YOU ARE 08:15.195 --> 08:17.195 SURREAL MOMENTS WHEN YOU ARE STANDING OUTSIDE, TRAFFIC, 08:17.197 --> 08:19.331 STANDING OUTSIDE, TRAFFIC, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC EXCEPT FOR 08:19.333 --> 08:21.566 THERE'S NO TRAFFIC EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. 08:21.568 --> 08:23.502 EMERGENCY VEHICLES. THERE'S SMOKE FROM THE FIRES AT 08:23.504 --> 08:25.570 THERE'S SMOKE FROM THE FIRES AT THE PENTAGON RIGHT NEXT DOOR. 08:25.572 --> 08:26.872 THE PENTAGON RIGHT NEXT DOOR. AND YOU HAVE, AND YOU LOOK UP IN 08:26.874 --> 08:29.641 AND YOU HAVE, AND YOU LOOK UP IN THE SKY AND THE SKY IS CRYSTAL 08:29.643 --> 08:30.909 THE SKY AND THE SKY IS CRYSTAL BLUE SKIES. 08:30.911 --> 08:33.111 BLUE SKIES. AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SKY. 08:33.113 --> 08:35.514 AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SKY. AND WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE 08:35.516 --> 08:36.748 AND WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE NATIONAL AIRPORT. 08:36.750 --> 08:38.550 NATIONAL AIRPORT. AND THERE'S NO SOUNDS. 08:38.552 --> 08:40.785 AND THERE'S NO SOUNDS. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING IN 08:40.787 --> 08:41.786 THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SKY. 08:41.788 --> 08:42.821 THE SKY. THERE'S NO PLANES. 08:42.823 --> 08:48.360 THERE'S NO PLANES. YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT CONTRAIL 08:48.362 --> 08:49.728 YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT CONTRAIL ETCH-A-SKETCH IN THE SKY. 08:49.730 --> 08:52.464 ETCH-A-SKETCH IN THE SKY. IT WAS A VERY SURREAL MOMENT IN 08:52.466 --> 08:54.666 IT WAS A VERY SURREAL MOMENT IN TERMS OF -- YOU KNOW, THE WORLD 08:54.668 --> 08:56.501 TERMS OF -- YOU KNOW, THE WORLD HAS STOPPED. 08:56.503 --> 08:58.336 HAS STOPPED. >> CAN TERRORISTS GAIN ENTRY TO 08:58.338 --> 09:00.138 >> CAN TERRORISTS GAIN ENTRY TO THE UNITED STATES THROUGH OUR 09:00.140 --> 09:01.239 THE UNITED STATES THROUGH OUR NATION'S SOUTHERN BORDER? 09:01.241 --> 09:02.340 NATION'S SOUTHERN BORDER? THE VERY QUESTION POSED THIS 09:02.342 --> 09:04.776 THE VERY QUESTION POSED THIS WEEK IN FRONT OF A HOUSE 09:04.778 --> 09:06.044 WEEK IN FRONT OF A HOUSE CONGRESSIONAL PANEL. 09:06.046 --> 09:08.547 CONGRESSIONAL PANEL. SYLVIA LONGMEYER WROTE A BOOK 09:08.549 --> 09:13.051 SYLVIA LONGMEYER WROTE A BOOK FIGHTED "BORDER INSECURITY" AND 09:13.053 --> 09:14.252 FIGHTED "BORDER INSECURITY" AND SHE SAID TERRORISTS SNEAKING IN 09:14.254 --> 09:16.688 SHE SAID TERRORISTS SNEAKING IN THROUGH THE U.S./MEXICO BOARD 09:16.690 --> 09:18.156 THROUGH THE U.S./MEXICO BOARD CERTIFICATE HIGHLY UNLIKELY. 09:18.158 --> 09:19.891 CERTIFICATE HIGHLY UNLIKELY. >> IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN ANY 09:19.893 --> 09:22.327 >> IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN ANY TIME YOU SEE 5,000 PEOPLE WHO 09:22.329 --> 09:23.361 TIME YOU SEE 5,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING ACROSS WITHOUT 09:23.363 --> 09:25.630 ARE COMING ACROSS WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT, WHO KNOWS HOW 09:25.632 --> 09:26.932 GETTING CAUGHT, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY MORE ARE COMING ACROSS AND 09:26.934 --> 09:27.999 MANY MORE ARE COMING ACROSS AND NOT GETTING CAUGHT. 09:28.001 --> 09:29.334 NOT GETTING CAUGHT. YOU SAY IF YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE 09:29.336 --> 09:31.503 YOU SAY IF YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE FOLKS FROM MEXICO AND CENTRAL 09:31.505 --> 09:32.971 FOLKS FROM MEXICO AND CENTRAL AMERICA COMING THROUGH, WHAT'S 09:32.973 --> 09:34.973 AMERICA COMING THROUGH, WHAT'S TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM THE MIDDLE 09:34.975 --> 09:36.474 TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM THE MIDDLE EAST FROM COMING ACROSS? 09:36.476 --> 09:37.409 EAST FROM COMING ACROSS? IT'S ALL ABOUT INTENTION AND 09:37.411 --> 09:39.377 IT'S ALL ABOUT INTENTION AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE LOGISTICS AND 09:39.379 --> 09:41.212 IT'S ALL ABOUT THE LOGISTICS AND WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS WOULD BE 09:41.214 --> 09:43.014 WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY WERE TO GET CAUGHT 09:43.016 --> 09:43.448 IF SOMEBODY WERE TO GET CAUGHT DOING THAT. 09:43.450 --> 09:45.083 DOING THAT. EITHER BY THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT 09:45.085 --> 09:46.618 EITHER BY THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT OR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. 09:46.620 --> 09:49.421 OR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. IT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY, BUT 09:49.423 --> 09:51.222 IT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY, BUT FOR MANY COMPLEX REASONS, I 09:51.224 --> 09:52.524 FOR MANY COMPLEX REASONS, I REALLY DON'T THINK THEY'RE 09:52.526 --> 09:53.692 REALLY DON'T THINK THEY'RE COMING THROUGH MEXICO TO THE 09:53.694 --> 09:54.392 COMING THROUGH MEXICO TO THE UNITED STATES THAT WAY RIGHT 09:54.394 --> 09:55.594 UNITED STATES THAT WAY RIGHT NOW. 09:55.596 --> 09:57.195 NOW. >> BUT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE 09:57.197 --> 09:58.697 >> BUT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR MAYBE THE CARTELS 09:58.699 --> 09:59.998 SAID FOR MAYBE THE CARTELS LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, IF 10:00.000 --> 10:02.033 LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, IF WE CAN GET THE MOMS AND DADS AND 10:02.035 --> 10:03.234 WE CAN GET THE MOMS AND DADS AND THE CHILDREN COMING THROUGH THE 10:03.236 --> 10:04.803 THE CHILDREN COMING THROUGH THE BORDER, WHY NOT GET A HIGH LEVEL 10:04.805 --> 10:06.071 BORDER, WHY NOT GET A HIGH LEVEL TERRORIST WHO WANTS TO COME IN 10:06.073 --> 10:07.672 TERRORIST WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND INFILTRATE THE COUNTRY. 10:07.674 --> 10:10.842 AND INFILTRATE THE COUNTRY. >> SURE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 10:10.844 --> 10:12.143 >> SURE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CERTAIN HUMAN SMUGGLING RINGS 10:12.145 --> 10:14.012 CERTAIN HUMAN SMUGGLING RINGS THAT SPECIALIZE IN WHAT 10:14.014 --> 10:15.447 THAT SPECIALIZE IN WHAT DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 10:15.449 --> 10:17.549 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AT LEAST USED TO CALL SPECIAL 10:17.551 --> 10:18.450 AT LEAST USED TO CALL SPECIAL INTEREST RAIL YENS. 10:18.452 --> 10:20.218 INTEREST RAIL YENS. INDIVIDUALS THAT COME FROM 10:20.220 --> 10:22.187 INDIVIDUALS THAT COME FROM ROUGHLY 30-32 COUNTRIES THAT ARE 10:22.189 --> 10:23.555 ROUGHLY 30-32 COUNTRIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED IN SOME WAYS WITH 10:23.557 --> 10:23.922 ASSOCIATED IN SOME WAYS WITH TERRORISM. 10:23.924 --> 10:25.290 TERRORISM. WHETHER IT'S SYRIA, IRAQ, ET 10:25.292 --> 10:25.624 WHETHER IT'S SYRIA, IRAQ, ET CETERA. 10:25.626 --> 10:27.158 CETERA. AND THEY CHARGE A CONSIDERABLE 10:27.160 --> 10:28.593 AND THEY CHARGE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MOVE THESE 10:28.595 --> 10:30.362 AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MOVE THESE PEOPLE INTO THE UNITED STATES. 10:30.364 --> 10:32.330 PEOPLE INTO THE UNITED STATES. HOWEVER, IF A MEXICAN DRUG 10:32.332 --> 10:35.266 HOWEVER, IF A MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL WERE EVER TO BE 10:35.268 --> 10:37.068 CARTEL WERE EVER TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH HARD EVIDENCE, 10:37.070 --> 10:38.336 ASSOCIATED WITH HARD EVIDENCE, WITH A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, 10:38.338 --> 10:40.605 WITH A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, THERE IS NO FASTER WAY TO SHUT 10:40.607 --> 10:43.208 THERE IS NO FASTER WAY TO SHUT DOWN A DRUG SMUGGLING OR HUMAN 10:43.210 --> 10:44.109 DOWN A DRUG SMUGGLING OR HUMAN SMUGGLING ORGANIZATION, NO 10:44.111 --> 10:46.811 SMUGGLING ORGANIZATION, NO FASTER WAY TO SHUT DOWN 10:46.813 --> 10:48.413 FASTER WAY TO SHUT DOWN CROSS-BORDER TRADE OR 10:48.415 --> 10:49.381 CROSS-BORDER TRADE OR CROSS-BORDER FLOW. 10:49.383 --> 10:51.916 CROSS-BORDER FLOW. THAT BOTH NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE 10:51.918 --> 10:55.320 THAT BOTH NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE PROFITS OF DRUG CARTELS AND IT 10:55.322 --> 10:57.022 PROFITS OF DRUG CARTELS AND IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE MEXICAN 10:57.024 --> 10:59.124 NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE MEXICAN ECONOMY, SO IT'S NOT IN THE BEST 10:59.126 --> 11:00.392 ECONOMY, SO IT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CARTELS TO 11:00.394 --> 11:01.259 INTERESTS OF THE CARTELS TO ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF 11:01.261 --> 11:02.861 ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THE REPERCUSSIONS AND MIGHT EVEN 11:02.863 --> 11:04.562 THE REPERCUSSIONS AND MIGHT EVEN OPEN THE DOOR TO THE MEXICAN 11:04.564 --> 11:05.363 OPEN THE DOOR TO THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT ASKING THE U.S. 11:05.365 --> 11:06.665 GOVERNMENT ASKING THE U.S. MILITARY TO COME IN AN 11:06.667 --> 11:07.032 MILITARY TO COME IN AN INTERFERE. 11:07.034 --> 11:08.633 INTERFERE. >> YOU TALK ABOUT THAT 11:08.635 --> 11:09.501 >> YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT IN YOUR 11:09.503 --> 11:09.801 ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT IN YOUR BOOK. 11:09.803 --> 11:12.370 BOOK. AND YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT MAYBE 11:12.372 --> 11:15.540 AND YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT MAYBE PRAYER RUGS AND CONNECTIONS TO 11:15.542 --> 11:15.907 PRAYER RUGS AND CONNECTIONS TO HEZBOLLAH. 11:15.909 --> 11:18.777 HEZBOLLAH. HOW MUCH TRUTH IS THAT TO THAT 11:18.779 --> 11:20.211 HOW MUCH TRUTH IS THAT TO THAT PARAPHERNALIA ALONG THE BORDER. 11:20.213 --> 11:22.847 PARAPHERNALIA ALONG THE BORDER. GO WE HAVE A LOT OF RANCHERS WHO 11:22.849 --> 11:25.617 GO WE HAVE A LOT OF RANCHERS WHO LIVE ALONG THE BORDER. 11:25.619 --> 11:28.787 LIVE ALONG THE BORDER. GOOD CHUNK OF THE TEXAS/MEXICO 11:28.789 --> 11:29.154 GOOD CHUNK OF THE TEXAS/MEXICO BORDER. 11:29.156 --> 11:30.455 BORDER. EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY MAKE 11:30.457 --> 11:31.756 EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY MAKE REPORTS THAT THEY'RE FINDING 11:31.758 --> 11:32.957 REPORTS THAT THEY'RE FINDING CRAYONS OR OTHER BOOKS IN 11:32.959 --> 11:33.925 CRAYONS OR OTHER BOOKS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGES FROM THE 11:33.927 --> 11:35.026 FOREIGN LANGUAGES FROM THE MIDDLE EAST AND WHAT THEY SAY 11:35.028 --> 11:35.927 MIDDLE EAST AND WHAT THEY SAY ARE PRAYER RUGS. 11:35.929 --> 11:37.796 ARE PRAYER RUGS. PRAYER RUGS HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC 11:37.798 --> 11:39.397 PRAYER RUGS HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC LOOK TO THEM. 11:39.399 --> 11:41.366 LOOK TO THEM. BUT ANY MUSLIM CAN USE ANY KIND 11:41.368 --> 11:43.601 BUT ANY MUSLIM CAN USE ANY KIND OF RUG IN A PINCH TO DO THEIR 11:43.603 --> 11:44.636 OF RUG IN A PINCH TO DO THEIR DAILY PRAYERS. 11:44.638 --> 11:46.204 DAILY PRAYERS. SO FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT 11:46.206 --> 11:47.872 SO FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ISLAMIC FAITH 11:47.874 --> 11:49.207 FAMILIAR WITH THE ISLAMIC FAITH AND WHAT THE RITUALS AND 11:49.209 --> 11:51.076 AND WHAT THE RITUALS AND EVERYTHING ARE, TO JUST SAY HEY, 11:51.078 --> 11:52.444 EVERYTHING ARE, TO JUST SAY HEY, I FOUND THIS RUG IN THE DESERT 11:52.446 --> 11:54.045 I FOUND THIS RUG IN THE DESERT AND THIS IS A PRAYER RUG, 11:54.047 --> 11:55.714 AND THIS IS A PRAYER RUG, SOMETIMES CAN BE A REAL STRETCH. 11:55.716 --> 11:56.881 SOMETIMES CAN BE A REAL STRETCH. LOOKING BACK ON SOME OF THE 11:56.883 --> 11:58.683 LOOKING BACK ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, PATCHES, THEY SAY 11:58.685 --> 12:00.719 OTHER THINGS, PATCHES, THEY SAY IT'S AEN AIRPLANE FLYING INTO 12:00.721 --> 12:02.220 IT'S AEN AIRPLANE FLYING INTO THE TWIN TOWERS AND FURTHER 12:02.222 --> 12:05.123 THE TWIN TOWERS AND FURTHER RESEARCH SHOWED IT BELONGED TO A 12:05.125 --> 12:06.057 RESEARCH SHOWED IT BELONGED TO A JANITORIAL COMPANY AND IT HAD 12:06.059 --> 12:07.992 JANITORIAL COMPANY AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AN AIRPLANE 12:07.994 --> 12:08.893 NOTHING TO DO WITH AN AIRPLANE GOING INTO THE TWIN TOWERS. 12:08.895 --> 12:10.662 GOING INTO THE TWIN TOWERS. SO IT'S EASY TO FIND SOMETHING 12:10.664 --> 12:12.130 SO IT'S EASY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT LOOKS FOREIGN OR STRANGE IN 12:12.132 --> 12:13.932 THAT LOOKS FOREIGN OR STRANGE IN THE DESERT AND SAY THIS IS 12:13.934 --> 12:15.333 THE DESERT AND SAY THIS IS ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE 12:15.335 --> 12:16.034 ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE MUSLIM TERRORISTS COMING INTO 12:16.036 --> 12:17.368 MUSLIM TERRORISTS COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES. 12:17.370 --> 12:19.003 THE UNITED STATES. WE DO HAVE MUSLIMS THAT 12:19.005 --> 12:19.971 WE DO HAVE MUSLIMS THAT OCCASIONALLY ILLEGALLY COME TO 12:19.973 --> 12:21.439 OCCASIONALLY ILLEGALLY COME TO THE UNITED STATES FOR DIFFERENT 12:21.441 --> 12:21.773 THE UNITED STATES FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. 12:21.775 --> 12:24.109 REASONS. BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT AN 12:24.111 --> 12:25.343 BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT AN OPERATIONAL TERRORIST HAS EVER 12:25.345 --> 12:26.878 OPERATIONAL TERRORIST HAS EVER ENTERED THE UNITED STATES COMING 12:26.880 --> 12:28.413 ENTERED THE UNITED STATES COMING THROUGH THE BORDER. 12:28.415 --> 12:30.315 THROUGH THE BORDER. SO SOMETIMES IT'S COINCIDENTAL. 12:30.317 --> 12:32.317 SO SOMETIMES IT'S COINCIDENTAL. IT CAN'T ALWAYS BE DISCOUNTED. 12:32.319 --> 12:34.085 IT CAN'T ALWAYS BE DISCOUNTED. BUT RIGHT NOW THAT QUOTE-UNQUOTE 12:34.087 --> 12:36.287 BUT RIGHT NOW THAT QUOTE-UNQUOTE EVIDENCE IS JUST NOT, IT'S JUST 12:36.289 --> 12:37.856 EVIDENCE IS JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT HEAVY ENOUGH TO SHOW 12:37.858 --> 12:38.656 NOT HEAVY ENOUGH TO SHOW ANYTHING DEFINITIVE. 12:38.658 --> 12:40.391 ANYTHING DEFINITIVE. >> IN YOUR RESEARCH, DO YOU FIND 12:40.393 --> 12:42.660 >> IN YOUR RESEARCH, DO YOU FIND THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ALWAYS 12:42.662 --> 12:43.895 THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ALWAYS KEEPING ON THEIR TOES WHEN IT 12:43.897 --> 12:45.797 KEEPING ON THEIR TOES WHEN IT COMES TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT 12:45.799 --> 12:47.132 COMES TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT COULD HAPPEN THROUGH OUR 12:47.134 --> 12:47.866 COULD HAPPEN THROUGH OUR SOUTHERN BOARD CENTRE. 12:47.868 --> 12:49.634 SOUTHERN BOARD CENTRE. >> OF COURSE. 12:49.636 --> 12:51.336 >> OF COURSE. ESPECIALLY SINCE 9/11, LAW 12:51.338 --> 12:52.270 ESPECIALLY SINCE 9/11, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE 12:52.272 --> 12:53.705 ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE DEDICATED NOT ONLY TO STOPPING 12:53.707 --> 12:54.506 DEDICATED NOT ONLY TO STOPPING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 12:54.508 --> 12:56.941 CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. BUT THEY'RE REALLY DIALED INTO 12:56.943 --> 13:00.712 BUT THEY'RE REALLY DIALED INTO TASK FORCES AND THE STATE FUSION 13:00.714 --> 13:02.113 TASK FORCES AND THE STATE FUSION CENTERS TO KEEP AN EAR TO THE 13:02.115 --> 13:03.014 CENTERS TO KEEP AN EAR TO THE GROUND FOR ANY POSSIBLE 13:03.016 --> 13:03.882 GROUND FOR ANY POSSIBLE TERRORIST ACTIVITIES. 13:03.884 --> 13:05.984 TERRORIST ACTIVITIES. SO BASED ON INTELLIGENCE COMING 13:05.986 --> 13:07.452 SO BASED ON INTELLIGENCE COMING IN, THEY'RE LEARNING IF THERE'S 13:07.454 --> 13:09.254 IN, THEY'RE LEARNING IF THERE'S ANY CHATTER OR ANY TRAFFIC THAT 13:09.256 --> 13:11.523 ANY CHATTER OR ANY TRAFFIC THAT COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT THEIR 13:11.525 --> 13:13.024 COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT THEIR COMMUNITIES, THEIR COUNTY, 13:13.026 --> 13:14.025 COMMUNITIES, THEIR COUNTY, WHATEVER AGENCY IT IS THAT THEY 13:14.027 --> 13:15.627 WHATEVER AGENCY IT IS THAT THEY WORK TO. 13:15.629 --> 13:17.729 WORK TO. SO, YES, THEY'RE DEFINITELY 13:17.731 --> 13:18.563 SO, YES, THEY'RE DEFINITELY ATTUNED TO THE FACT. 13:18.565 --> 13:19.697 ATTUNED TO THE FACT. THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 13:19.699 --> 13:20.832 THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY AND THEY'RE ALSO 13:20.834 --> 13:22.167 POSSIBILITY AND THEY'RE ALSO INVOLVED IN MITIGATING ANY KIND 13:22.169 --> 13:23.635 INVOLVED IN MITIGATING ANY KIND OF TERRORIST ACTIVITY IN THEIR 13:23.637 --> 13:24.502 OF TERRORIST ACTIVITY IN THEIR AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY. 13:24.504 --> 13:26.704 AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY. >> SO IN MANY CASES THEY COME 13:26.706 --> 13:28.106 >> SO IN MANY CASES THEY COME THROUGH LEGITIMATELY? 13:28.108 --> 13:30.175 THROUGH LEGITIMATELY? >> OUT OF THE 36 OPERATIONAL 13:30.177 --> 13:31.142 >> OUT OF THE 36 OPERATIONAL TERRORISTS THAT HAVE BEEN 13:31.144 --> 13:32.443 TERRORISTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPREHENDED IN THE UNITED 13:32.445 --> 13:33.411 APPREHENDED IN THE UNITED STATES, SINCE 9/11 AND EVEN 13:33.413 --> 13:35.446 STATES, SINCE 9/11 AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, LIKE THE MILLENNIUM 13:35.448 --> 13:36.714 BEFORE THAT, LIKE THE MILLENNIUM BOMBER WAS BEFORE THEN. 13:36.716 --> 13:39.384 BOMBER WAS BEFORE THEN. THE UNDERWEAR BOMBER. 13:39.386 --> 13:41.719 THE UNDERWEAR BOMBER. ALL OF THEM HAVE ENTERED THE 13:41.721 --> 13:42.654 ALL OF THEM HAVE ENTERED THE STATES THROUGH ANOTHER PORT OF 13:42.656 --> 13:42.954 STATES THROUGH ANOTHER PORT OF ENTRY. 13:42.956 --> 13:44.155 ENTRY. NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS COME 13:44.157 --> 13:45.456 NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS COME THROUGH MEXICO. 13:45.458 --> 13:46.558 THROUGH MEXICO. THEY'VE EITHER ENTERED THROUGH 13:46.560 --> 13:47.492 THEY'VE EITHER ENTERED THROUGH AIRPORTS OR COME THROUGH A 13:47.494 --> 13:49.360 AIRPORTS OR COME THROUGH A VEHICLE OR FERRY FROM CANADA. 13:49.362 --> 13:50.495 VEHICLE OR FERRY FROM CANADA. THEY'VE ALL HAD LEGITIMATE 13:50.497 --> 13:51.963 THEY'VE ALL HAD LEGITIMATE TRAVEL DOCUMENTS, SOME OF THE 13:51.965 --> 13:53.031 TRAVEL DOCUMENTS, SOME OF THE PASSPORTS WERE FRAUDULENT, BUT 13:53.033 --> 13:54.499 PASSPORTS WERE FRAUDULENT, BUT AT LEAST LOOKING AT IT, IT'S A 13:54.501 --> 13:56.334 AT LEAST LOOKING AT IT, IT'S A REAL PASSPORT AND THEY'RE USING 13:56.336 --> 13:57.268 REAL PASSPORT AND THEY'RE USING PLANE TICKETS. 13:57.270 --> 13:58.903 PLANE TICKETS. GROUPS LIKE AL QAEDA, HEZBOLLAH 13:58.905 --> 14:00.772 GROUPS LIKE AL QAEDA, HEZBOLLAH AND PERHAPS NOW ISIS AND WE'LL 14:00.774 --> 14:01.773 AND PERHAPS NOW ISIS AND WE'LL SEE THAT MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD, 14:01.775 --> 14:03.474 SEE THAT MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD, THAT WILL BE A BIGGER CONCERN. 14:03.476 --> 14:05.877 THAT WILL BE A BIGGER CONCERN. THEY INVEST A LOT OF MONEY IN 14:05.879 --> 14:06.945 THEY INVEST A LOT OF MONEY IN THEIR OPERATIVES. 14:06.947 --> 14:09.948 THEIR OPERATIVES. THERE IS A HUGE RISK TO SEND 14:09.950 --> 14:11.583 THERE IS A HUGE RISK TO SEND SOMEBODY THROUGH A PLACE AS 14:11.585 --> 14:13.318 SOMEBODY THROUGH A PLACE AS DANGEROUS AS MEXICO AND RISK 14:13.320 --> 14:14.886 DANGEROUS AS MEXICO AND RISK DEALING WITH VERY DEADLY DRUG 14:14.888 --> 14:16.387 DEALING WITH VERY DEADLY DRUG CARTELS AND POSSIBLY HAVING ONE 14:16.389 --> 14:17.622 CARTELS AND POSSIBLY HAVING ONE OF THESE OPERATIONAL TERRORISTS 14:17.624 --> 14:19.591 OF THESE OPERATIONAL TERRORISTS DIE IN THE DESERT. 14:19.593 --> 14:21.559 DIE IN THE DESERT. TERRORISTS GROUPS TAKE THE PATH 14:21.561 --> 14:23.361 TERRORISTS GROUPS TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, AND LATELY 14:23.363 --> 14:25.630 OF LEAST RESISTANCE, AND LATELY IT'S BEEN TO TRAIN THEM AND 14:25.632 --> 14:27.999 IT'S BEEN TO TRAIN THEM AND RECRUIT PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLEAN 14:28.001 --> 14:28.666 RECRUIT PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLEAN BACKGROUNDS, SO THEY'RE NOT 14:28.668 --> 14:30.702 BACKGROUNDS, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO POP UP ON SOME TYPE OF 14:30.704 --> 14:31.803 GOING TO POP UP ON SOME TYPE OF TERRORIST WATCH LIST. 14:31.805 --> 14:33.071 TERRORIST WATCH LIST. THEY CAN FLY INTO THE UNITED 14:33.073 --> 14:33.938 THEY CAN FLY INTO THE UNITED STATES WITHOUT ANY ISSUE. 14:33.940 --> 14:35.340 STATES WITHOUT ANY ISSUE. WHY GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE AND 14:35.342 --> 14:36.841 WHY GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE AND DANGER OF SENDING THEM THROUGH 14:36.843 --> 14:38.443 DANGER OF SENDING THEM THROUGH MEXICO WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY 14:38.445 --> 14:40.879 MEXICO WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER EASIER WAYS TO GET HERE. 14:40.881 --> 14:42.780 OTHER EASIER WAYS TO GET HERE. THAT'S ANOTHER ARGUMENT FOR WHY 14:42.782 --> 14:44.282 THAT'S ANOTHER ARGUMENT FOR WHY THEY WOULDN'T COME IN ACROSS THE 14:44.284 --> 14:45.149 THEY WOULDN'T COME IN ACROSS THE SOUTHERN BORDER. 14:45.151 --> 14:46.751 SOUTHERN BORDER. >> HOW DO YOU DEFINE TERROR? 14:46.753 --> 14:48.019 >> HOW DO YOU DEFINE TERROR? ONE FORMER POLICE OFFICER SAYS 14:48.021 --> 14:49.320 ONE FORMER POLICE OFFICER SAYS MASS SHOOTINGS CARRY THE SAME 14:49.322 --> 14:50.889 MASS SHOOTINGS CARRY THE SAME LEVEL OF TERROR AS WHAT HAPPENED 14:50.891 --> 14:51.723 LEVEL OF TERROR AS WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11. 14:51.725 --> 14:55.727 ON 9/11. HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH MICHAEL 14:55.729 --> 14:57.695 HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH MICHAEL WIDMER, A FORMER POLICE SERGEANT 14:57.697 --> 15:00.031 WIDMER, A FORMER POLICE SERGEANT WHO AUTHORED A BOOK ENTITLED 15:00.033 --> 15:00.498 WHO AUTHORED A BOOK ENTITLED "INTERVENTION." 15:00.500 --> 15:02.901 "INTERVENTION." >> I BELIEVE IT IS AN EPIDEMIC. 15:02.903 --> 15:04.102 >> I BELIEVE IT IS AN EPIDEMIC. I BELIEVE IT'S COME TO THE 15:04.104 --> 15:05.069 I BELIEVE IT'S COME TO THE PROPORTIONS WHERE IT CAN'T BE 15:05.071 --> 15:05.870 PROPORTIONS WHERE IT CAN'T BE MEASURED ANY MORE. 15:05.872 --> 15:08.006 MEASURED ANY MORE. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF 15:08.008 --> 15:08.940 BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF PREDICTING IT. 15:08.942 --> 15:11.009 PREDICTING IT. THE FICTIONAL STORY TELLS WHAT 15:11.011 --> 15:13.244 THE FICTIONAL STORY TELLS WHAT SOME PEOPLE WISH WOULD HAPPEN. 15:13.246 --> 15:14.412 SOME PEOPLE WISH WOULD HAPPEN. WHICH IS THERE'S SOME MAGICAL 15:14.414 --> 15:16.014 WHICH IS THERE'S SOME MAGICAL WAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE A SYSTEM 15:16.016 --> 15:17.148 WAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE A SYSTEM THAT DETERMINE WHO IS IS GOING 15:17.150 --> 15:17.882 THAT DETERMINE WHO IS IS GOING TO DO THESE THINGS. 15:17.884 --> 15:18.983 TO DO THESE THINGS. AND THEN YOU GO AFTER THEM 15:18.985 --> 15:21.386 AND THEN YOU GO AFTER THEM BEFORE THEY DO IT. 15:21.388 --> 15:22.654 BEFORE THEY DO IT. THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. 15:22.656 --> 15:24.255 THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. THE FICTIONAL STORY IS DESIGNED 15:24.257 --> 15:25.390 THE FICTIONAL STORY IS DESIGNED TO ENTERTAIN YOU AND MAKE YOU 15:25.392 --> 15:26.925 TO ENTERTAIN YOU AND MAKE YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DONE 15:26.927 --> 15:28.126 THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DONE IN THE FUTURE TO MAYBE PREVENT 15:28.128 --> 15:28.826 IN THE FUTURE TO MAYBE PREVENT SOME OF THESE THINGS. 15:28.828 --> 15:31.095 SOME OF THESE THINGS. >> AND IN THE BOOK, IT'S REALLY 15:31.097 --> 15:33.998 >> AND IN THE BOOK, IT'S REALLY KIND OF SET ON A NATIONAL SCALE. 15:34.000 --> 15:35.066 KIND OF SET ON A NATIONAL SCALE. WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED, 15:35.068 --> 15:37.302 WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED, HE'S AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. 15:37.304 --> 15:38.803 HE'S AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. BUT THAT THE PRESIDENT KNOWS AND 15:38.805 --> 15:41.739 BUT THAT THE PRESIDENT KNOWS AND IT'S ON A LOCAL LEVEL, THESE 15:41.741 --> 15:42.874 IT'S ON A LOCAL LEVEL, THESE INCIDENTS KEEP HAPPENING AND THE 15:42.876 --> 15:44.842 INCIDENTS KEEP HAPPENING AND THE TEAM GOES INTO ELIMINATE THE 15:44.844 --> 15:47.979 TEAM GOES INTO ELIMINATE THE THREAT, I THINK IS HOW MAYBE HE 15:47.981 --> 15:48.680 THREAT, I THINK IS HOW MAYBE HE PUT IT. 15:48.682 --> 15:50.148 PUT IT. THIS IS NOT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO 15:50.150 --> 15:50.448 THIS IS NOT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR. 15:50.450 --> 15:51.983 HEAR. THAT THE MOMENT YOU KNOW SOMEONE 15:51.985 --> 15:53.318 THAT THE MOMENT YOU KNOW SOMEONE IS GOING TO ACT, YOU STOP THEM 15:53.320 --> 15:53.985 IS GOING TO ACT, YOU STOP THEM BEFORE THEY DO IT. 15:53.987 --> 15:55.520 BEFORE THEY DO IT. >> IF YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT 15:55.522 --> 15:58.556 >> IF YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT IT, WE'VE NEVER BEEN CONFRONTED 15:58.558 --> 15:59.991 IT, WE'VE NEVER BEEN CONFRONTED WITH IT AT THIS LEVEL BEFORE. 15:59.993 --> 16:01.092 WITH IT AT THIS LEVEL BEFORE. FOR YEARS IN THE PAST, PEOPLE 16:01.094 --> 16:02.760 FOR YEARS IN THE PAST, PEOPLE HAD TO FACE THE POSSIBILITY THAT 16:02.762 --> 16:04.562 HAD TO FACE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE MASS 16:04.564 --> 16:05.630 THERE WAS GOING TO BE MASS SHOOTINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO 16:05.632 --> 16:07.298 SHOOTINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO DIE, THEY WANT TO KILL 16:07.300 --> 16:08.433 DIE, THEY WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES, IN CERTAIN 16:08.435 --> 16:09.167 THEMSELVES, IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, THEY HAVE BAD TIMES 16:09.169 --> 16:09.801 SITUATIONS, THEY HAVE BAD TIMES IN THEIR LIFE. 16:09.803 --> 16:11.402 IN THEIR LIFE. NOW IT'S TO THE PLACE WHERE IT'S 16:11.404 --> 16:14.038 NOW IT'S TO THE PLACE WHERE IT'S BECOME WHEN YOU USE THE WORD 16:14.040 --> 16:14.973 BECOME WHEN YOU USE THE WORD EPIDEMIC, A CULT. 16:14.975 --> 16:16.441 EPIDEMIC, A CULT. SO WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO TALK 16:16.443 --> 16:17.976 SO WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S DIFFICULT, 16:17.978 --> 16:18.943 ABOUT IT, IT'S DIFFICULT, BECAUSE NOBODY HAS PUT THEIR 16:18.945 --> 16:22.747 BECAUSE NOBODY HAS PUT THEIR HAND ON THE WAY TO FIX THIS. 16:22.749 --> 16:24.515 HAND ON THE WAY TO FIX THIS. SO IT LEAVES IT WIDE OPEN TO 16:24.517 --> 16:24.916 SO IT LEAVES IT WIDE OPEN TO SPECULATION. 16:24.918 --> 16:26.884 SPECULATION. YOU AND I DISCUSSED EARLIER. 16:26.886 --> 16:27.885 YOU AND I DISCUSSED EARLIER. SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE 16:27.887 --> 16:28.920 SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY. 16:28.922 --> 16:32.090 GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY. I CAN TELL THAW IT'S STILL NOT 16:32.092 --> 16:33.424 I CAN TELL THAW IT'S STILL NOT UNDER CONTROL, IT'S NOT GOING TO 16:33.426 --> 16:34.726 UNDER CONTROL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE UNDER CONTROL UNTIL PEOPLE 16:34.728 --> 16:35.994 BE UNDER CONTROL UNTIL PEOPLE TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN 16:35.996 --> 16:36.394 TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN ENVIRONMENT? 16:36.396 --> 16:37.395 ENVIRONMENT? >> AT THE END OF THE BOOK YOU 16:37.397 --> 16:39.364 >> AT THE END OF THE BOOK YOU PROVIDE SOME RESOURCES OR IDEAS 16:39.366 --> 16:41.165 PROVIDE SOME RESOURCES OR IDEAS FOR SCHOOLS TO REALLY LOOK AT 16:41.167 --> 16:43.434 FOR SCHOOLS TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW THEY MANAGE SECURITY. 16:43.436 --> 16:44.569 HOW THEY MANAGE SECURITY. WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS 16:44.571 --> 16:46.070 WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS THAT YOU THINK COULD GO A LONG 16:46.072 --> 16:46.337 THAT YOU THINK COULD GO A LONG WAY. 16:46.339 --> 16:48.139 WAY. SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE NOT 16:48.141 --> 16:48.973 SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE NOT AFFORDABLE, THEY'RE NOT 16:48.975 --> 16:49.340 AFFORDABLE, THEY'RE NOT REALISTIC. 16:49.342 --> 16:51.042 REALISTIC. THEY ARE IDEAS AND MAYBE IN YOUR 16:51.044 --> 16:52.710 THEY ARE IDEAS AND MAYBE IN YOUR OPINION, STEPS IN THE RIGHT 16:52.712 --> 16:53.111 OPINION, STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 16:53.113 --> 16:55.113 DIRECTION. >> SO IN THE BOOK I PUT IN THAT 16:55.115 --> 17:01.686 >> SO IN THE BOOK I PUT IN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FIRST AN 17:01.688 --> 17:03.121 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FIRST AN INTELLIGIBLE CAMERA SYSTEM TO BE 17:03.123 --> 17:04.422 INTELLIGIBLE CAMERA SYSTEM TO BE MONITORED DURING THE DAY. 17:04.424 --> 17:05.723 MONITORED DURING THE DAY. TO GIVE WARNING OF SOMEBODY 17:05.725 --> 17:06.491 TO GIVE WARNING OF SOMEBODY APPROACHING THE SCHOOL. 17:06.493 --> 17:09.027 APPROACHING THE SCHOOL. NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, THE 17:09.029 --> 17:11.095 NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, THE PERPETRATORS OF THESE CRIMES GET 17:11.097 --> 17:13.364 PERPETRATORS OF THESE CRIMES GET OUT OF THESE CARS, PULL A MASK 17:13.366 --> 17:15.500 OUT OF THESE CARS, PULL A MASK OUT OF THEIR FACE AND GET A 17:15.502 --> 17:16.801 OUT OF THEIR FACE AND GET A RIFLE OR GUN AND WALK RIGHT UP 17:16.803 --> 17:17.802 RIFLE OR GUN AND WALK RIGHT UP TO THE SCHOOL. 17:17.804 --> 17:19.370 TO THE SCHOOL. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP, IS TO BE 17:19.372 --> 17:20.271 THAT'S THE FIRST STEP, IS TO BE ABLE TO SPOT IT. 17:20.273 --> 17:22.340 ABLE TO SPOT IT. THE SECOND STEP IS TO BE ABLE TO 17:22.342 --> 17:24.142 THE SECOND STEP IS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GETTING IN LONG 17:24.144 --> 17:25.777 KEEP PEOPLE FROM GETTING IN LONG ENOUGH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO 17:25.779 --> 17:26.444 ENOUGH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GET THERE. 17:26.446 --> 17:28.079 GET THERE. THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE 17:28.081 --> 17:29.414 THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE RETROFITTING SOME OLD SCHOOLS, 17:29.416 --> 17:31.849 RETROFITTING SOME OLD SCHOOLS, CHANGING SOME OF THE 17:31.851 --> 17:33.551 CHANGING SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND MAKING NEW 17:33.553 --> 17:34.685 CONSTRUCTION AND MAKING NEW SCHOOLS COMPLETELY STOCKED WITH 17:34.687 --> 17:36.721 SCHOOLS COMPLETELY STOCKED WITH THE KIND OF THINGS THAT KEEP 17:36.723 --> 17:37.188 THE KIND OF THINGS THAT KEEP PEOPLE OUT. 17:37.190 --> 17:38.656 PEOPLE OUT. ONCE YOU KEEP THEM OUT, YOU NEED 17:38.658 --> 17:41.325 ONCE YOU KEEP THEM OUT, YOU NEED A WAY TO KEEP THEM OUT IF THEY 17:41.327 --> 17:41.759 A WAY TO KEEP THEM OUT IF THEY PERSIST. 17:41.761 --> 17:43.828 PERSIST. THAT MAY INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT 17:43.830 --> 17:47.899 THAT MAY INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING PROGRAM WITH LOCAL LAW 17:47.901 --> 17:48.299 TRAINING PROGRAM WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. 17:48.301 --> 17:50.134 ENFORCEMENT. AND TEACH THEM HOW TO ACTUALLY 17:50.136 --> 17:51.803 AND TEACH THEM HOW TO ACTUALLY USE ASSAULT RIFLES AND HAVE THEM 17:51.805 --> 17:54.739 USE ASSAULT RIFLES AND HAVE THEM AVAILABLE FOR THEM ON CAMPUS. 17:54.741 --> 17:56.107 AVAILABLE FOR THEM ON CAMPUS. THEY DON'T NEED IT CARRY THEM 17:56.109 --> 17:56.941 THEY DON'T NEED IT CARRY THEM AROUND THE CLASSROOM. 17:56.943 --> 17:58.976 AROUND THE CLASSROOM. THAT'S RIDICULOUS, NOBODY CAN 17:58.978 --> 18:00.278 THAT'S RIDICULOUS, NOBODY CAN CARE RAY GUN IN CLASS, THAT'S 18:00.280 --> 18:01.179 CARE RAY GUN IN CLASS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. 18:01.181 --> 18:02.780 NOT GOING TO WORK. FOR THE MOST PART, THEY NEED TO 18:02.782 --> 18:04.882 FOR THE MOST PART, THEY NEED TO TAKE A LESSON, LEARN HOW TO USE 18:04.884 --> 18:06.984 TAKE A LESSON, LEARN HOW TO USE THE GUN AND BE ABLE TO RESIST 18:06.986 --> 18:08.653 THE GUN AND BE ABLE TO RESIST LONG ENOUGH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT 18:08.655 --> 18:09.387 LONG ENOUGH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GET THERE. 18:09.389 --> 18:10.688 TO GET THERE. THEN THE SCENE HAS TO BE TURNED 18:10.690 --> 18:14.058 THEN THE SCENE HAS TO BE TURNED BACK OVER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. 18:14.060 --> 18:15.626 BACK OVER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. THEN IT HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED 18:15.628 --> 18:17.361 THEN IT HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED TO A REASONABLE DEGREE. 18:17.363 --> 18:18.930 TO A REASONABLE DEGREE. THE LONG-TERM EXPENSIVE 18:18.932 --> 18:19.797 THE LONG-TERM EXPENSIVE INVESTIGATIONS, ALL THAT MONEY 18:19.799 --> 18:21.833 INVESTIGATIONS, ALL THAT MONEY COULD BE USED TO HELP SCHOOLS 18:21.835 --> 18:23.134 COULD BE USED TO HELP SCHOOLS SHORE UP THEIR SECURITY SYSTEMS 18:23.136 --> 18:25.336 SHORE UP THEIR SECURITY SYSTEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 18:25.338 --> 18:26.270 ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THAT'S BASICALLY IT. 18:26.272 --> 18:27.872 THAT'S BASICALLY IT. THERE'S SOME BARRIER THINGS THAT 18:27.874 --> 18:29.874 THERE'S SOME BARRIER THINGS THAT GO UP TO KEEP VEHICLES AWAY. 18:29.876 --> 18:30.808 GO UP TO KEEP VEHICLES AWAY. THERE'S SOME CONSTRUCTION 18:30.810 --> 18:32.310 THERE'S SOME CONSTRUCTION CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK, I'M 18:32.312 --> 18:34.045 CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK, I'M NOT SAYING I'M A CONSTRUCTION 18:34.047 --> 18:36.314 NOT SAYING I'M A CONSTRUCTION EXPERT OR ANYTHING. 18:36.316 --> 18:39.083 EXPERT OR ANYTHING. BUT I LOOKED AT IT ON THE 18:39.085 --> 18:39.617 BUT I LOOKED AT IT ON THE COMMON-SENSE SIDE. 18:39.619 --> 18:41.586 COMMON-SENSE SIDE. THIS HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET. 18:41.588 --> 18:42.787 THIS HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET. IT'S NOT WORKED ANYWHERE THAT 18:42.789 --> 18:43.421 IT'S NOT WORKED ANYWHERE THAT I'VE SEEN. 18:43.423 --> 18:45.223 I'VE SEEN. AND EVEN ONE OF THE MORE 18:45.225 --> 18:46.791 AND EVEN ONE OF THE MORE PREDOMINANT ONES THAT HAPPEN, 18:46.793 --> 18:49.594 PREDOMINANT ONES THAT HAPPEN, ACTUALLY CHANGED TO WHERE THE 18:49.596 --> 18:50.595 ACTUALLY CHANGED TO WHERE THE DOORS WERE LOCKED ALL DAY LONG. 18:50.597 --> 18:52.263 DOORS WERE LOCKED ALL DAY LONG. BUT THEN THE PERPETRATOR SHOT 18:52.265 --> 18:54.899 BUT THEN THE PERPETRATOR SHOT HIS WAY THROUGH THE GLASS. 18:54.901 --> 18:57.702 HIS WAY THROUGH THE GLASS. SO IT HAS TO BE BULLETPROOF OR 18:57.704 --> 18:58.402 SO IT HAS TO BE BULLETPROOF OR BULLET-RESISTANT, ANYWAY. 18:58.404 --> 18:59.770 BULLET-RESISTANT, ANYWAY. >> IT'S A TOUGH CONVERSATION, 18:59.772 --> 19:01.038 >> IT'S A TOUGH CONVERSATION, BUT YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY? 19:01.040 --> 19:02.507 BUT YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY? >> THEY LOOK AND SAY, IT DOESN'T 19:02.509 --> 19:03.508 >> THEY LOOK AND SAY, IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME RIGHT NOW. 19:03.510 --> 19:04.609 AFFECT ME RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING 19:04.611 --> 19:05.843 WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO MY SCHOOL. 19:05.845 --> 19:09.247 TO COME TO MY SCHOOL. THEY PROBABLY WON'T, BECAUSE 19:09.249 --> 19:10.882 THEY PROBABLY WON'T, BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER COME TO THIS 19:10.884 --> 19:11.983 THEY'VE NEVER COME TO THIS SCHOOL, SO IT'S NEVER GOING TO 19:11.985 --> 19:12.316 SCHOOL, SO IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. 19:12.318 --> 19:14.852 HAPPEN. THE REALITY IS, WE DON'T KNOW. 19:14.854 --> 19:16.521 THE REALITY IS, WE DON'T KNOW. 1500 STUDENTS AT SOUTH PASADENA 19:16.523 --> 19:17.255 1500 STUDENTS AT SOUTH PASADENA HIGH SCHOOL. 19:17.257 --> 19:18.456 HIGH SCHOOL. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A BLOODBATH. 19:18.458 --> 19:19.857 IT COULD HAVE BEEN A BLOODBATH. AND IT WAS PREVENTED AND 19:19.859 --> 19:20.191 AND IT WAS PREVENTED AND STOPPED. 19:20.193 --> 19:20.925 STOPPED. SOMEBODY GOT THERE BEFORE THE 19:20.927 --> 19:21.826 SOMEBODY GOT THERE BEFORE THE SHOOTING STARTED. 19:21.828 --> 19:22.860 SHOOTING STARTED. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO 19:22.862 --> 19:23.895 THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN IF THEY WANT TO KEEP 19:23.897 --> 19:25.062 HAPPEN IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THESE THINGS FROM TAKING OVER 19:25.064 --> 19:25.863 THESE THINGS FROM TAKING OVER THE MINDS AND THE THOUGHTS OF 19:25.865 --> 19:29.300 THE MINDS AND THE THOUGHTS OF ALL THE SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY. 19:29.302 --> 19:30.835 ALL THE SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY. CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION? 19:30.837 --> 19:32.737 CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION? IF SOMEONE PULLS UP TO YOUR 19:32.739 --> 19:34.372 IF SOMEONE PULLS UP TO YOUR SCHOOL AT 9:30 IN THE MORNING, 19:34.374 --> 19:36.240 SCHOOL AT 9:30 IN THE MORNING, OPENS THE CAR DOOR, PULL AS MASK 19:36.242 --> 19:37.575 OPENS THE CAR DOOR, PULL AS MASK OVER THEIR FACE AND TAKES A GUN 19:37.577 --> 19:39.043 OVER THEIR FACE AND TAKES A GUN UP TO THE SCHOOL, CAN THE SCHOOL 19:39.045 --> 19:39.877 UP TO THE SCHOOL, CAN THE SCHOOL PROTECT YOUR CHILD? 19:39.879 --> 19:42.446 PROTECT YOUR CHILD? MY ASSERTION IS ON MOST LEVELS, 19:42.448 --> 19:43.781 MY ASSERTION IS ON MOST LEVELS, CAN YOU PRETTY MUCH SAY WE 19:43.783 --> 19:45.349 CAN YOU PRETTY MUCH SAY WE HAVEN'T REACHED THAT STAGE YET. 19:45.351 --> 19:47.285 HAVEN'T REACHED THAT STAGE YET. WHERE WE CAN PROTECT OUR KIDS. 19:47.287 --> 19:49.187 WHERE WE CAN PROTECT OUR KIDS. AND SO, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE 19:49.189 --> 19:49.887 AND SO, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS TO 19:49.889 --> 19:52.390 ARE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER AND I 19:52.392 --> 19:54.258 TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL REALLY, REALLY 19:54.260 --> 19:55.526 THINK THEY'RE ALL REALLY, REALLY MOTIVATED AND THEY'RE REALLY 19:55.528 --> 19:57.428 MOTIVATED AND THEY'RE REALLY WANT TO DO MORE. 19:57.430 --> 20:01.499 WANT TO DO MORE. YES, MONEY IS RESTRICTIVE, YES, 20:01.501 --> 20:02.767 YES, MONEY IS RESTRICTIVE, YES, FINANCING, YES. 20:02.769 --> 20:03.734 FINANCING, YES. RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 20:03.736 --> 20:05.002 RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS 20:05.004 --> 20:06.270 BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COMMUNITIES CAN WORK 20:06.272 --> 20:07.038 THAT COMMUNITIES CAN WORK TOGETHER TO GATHER. 20:07.040 --> 20:09.173 TOGETHER TO GATHER. TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KIDS ARE 20:09.175 --> 20:09.707 TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KIDS ARE SAFE. 20:09.709 --> 20:11.676 SAFE. UNTIL THE COPS GET THERE. 20:11.678 --> 20:14.178 UNTIL THE COPS GET THERE. >> IN THE DAYS FOLLOWING 9/11, 20:14.180 --> 20:15.780 >> IN THE DAYS FOLLOWING 9/11, COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY 20:15.782 --> 20:17.315 COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BEGAN TO FORMULATE IDEAS ON HOW 20:17.317 --> 20:19.350 BEGAN TO FORMULATE IDEAS ON HOW TO BETTER IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY 20:19.352 --> 20:22.486 TO BETTER IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THEIR RESPONSE TO CRISIS 20:22.488 --> 20:22.887 AND THEIR RESPONSE TO CRISIS SITUATIONS. 20:22.889 --> 20:24.956 SITUATIONS. IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, PIMA COUNTY 20:24.958 --> 20:27.291 IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, PIMA COUNTY IS HOME TO OFFICE OF EMERGENCY 20:27.293 --> 20:28.960 IS HOME TO OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF 20:28.962 --> 20:29.660 MANAGEMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. 20:29.662 --> 20:31.095 HOMELAND SECURITY. JEFF GUTHRIE IS THE DEPUTY 20:31.097 --> 20:32.897 JEFF GUTHRIE IS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND EXPLAINS HOW 20:32.899 --> 20:34.298 DIRECTOR AND EXPLAINS HOW FACILITIES LIKE THESE SERVE AS 20:34.300 --> 20:37.101 FACILITIES LIKE THESE SERVE AS AN INFORMATION CENTER DURING A 20:37.103 --> 20:37.435 AN INFORMATION CENTER DURING A CRISIS. 20:37.437 --> 20:39.403 CRISIS. >> ONCE WE RECEIVE A CALL THAT 20:39.405 --> 20:41.038 >> ONCE WE RECEIVE A CALL THAT THERE'S AN EMERGENCY WITHIN THE 20:41.040 --> 20:42.473 THERE'S AN EMERGENCY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WE START TO TRY TO 20:42.475 --> 20:43.674 COMMUNITY, WE START TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHO WE NEED TO BRING 20:43.676 --> 20:45.209 UNDERSTAND WHO WE NEED TO BRING IN TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS 20:45.211 --> 20:45.543 IN TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. 20:45.545 --> 20:48.079 CENTER. TO HELP SUPPORT THAT EMERGENCY. 20:48.081 --> 20:49.614 TO HELP SUPPORT THAT EMERGENCY. AND EACH TIME IT'S DIFFERENT. 20:49.616 --> 20:51.716 AND EACH TIME IT'S DIFFERENT. EVERY TIME WE OPEN UP THE DOORS 20:51.718 --> 20:54.252 EVERY TIME WE OPEN UP THE DOORS AND WE STAFF THIS OUT, IT'S A 20:54.254 --> 20:56.354 AND WE STAFF THIS OUT, IT'S A DIFFERENT STAFFING ORGANIZATION. 20:56.356 --> 20:59.757 DIFFERENT STAFFING ORGANIZATION. THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF, 20:59.759 --> 21:02.026 THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF, WITH PIMA COUNTY IS TYPICALLY 21:02.028 --> 21:04.228 WITH PIMA COUNTY IS TYPICALLY THEY'RE COUNTY EMPLOYEES OR 21:04.230 --> 21:06.564 THEY'RE COUNTY EMPLOYEES OR THEY'RE FIRE CHIEFS OR LAW 21:06.566 --> 21:07.365 THEY'RE FIRE CHIEFS OR LAW ENFORCE. 21:07.367 --> 21:09.400 ENFORCE. OFFICERS THAT WE'VE ASKED TO BE 21:09.402 --> 21:10.468 OFFICERS THAT WE'VE ASKED TO BE ON OUR TEAM. 21:10.470 --> 21:11.602 ON OUR TEAM. SO WE'LL CALL THEM AND ASK THEM 21:11.604 --> 21:13.170 SO WE'LL CALL THEM AND ASK THEM TO COME IN AND HELP US SUPPORT 21:13.172 --> 21:13.871 TO COME IN AND HELP US SUPPORT THE INCIDENT. 21:13.873 --> 21:16.040 THE INCIDENT. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE 21:16.042 --> 21:17.174 AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE INCIDENT IS WE'LL TYPICALLY 21:17.176 --> 21:19.310 INCIDENT IS WE'LL TYPICALLY BRIEF THEM OUT. 21:19.312 --> 21:21.679 BRIEF THEM OUT. IF THEY NEED TO HELP SUPPORT THE 21:21.681 --> 21:23.214 IF THEY NEED TO HELP SUPPORT THE INCIDENT, WE'LL ASK THEM TO 21:23.216 --> 21:23.514 INCIDENT, WE'LL ASK THEM TO STAY. 21:23.516 --> 21:24.782 STAY. THOSE THAT DON'T, WE'LL ASK THEM 21:24.784 --> 21:26.584 THOSE THAT DON'T, WE'LL ASK THEM TO GO HOME, AT LEAST MONITOR THE 21:26.586 --> 21:28.386 TO GO HOME, AT LEAST MONITOR THE SITUATION, AND IF IT ESCALATES, 21:28.388 --> 21:29.553 SITUATION, AND IF IT ESCALATES, WE'LL CALL THEM BACK AND ASK 21:29.555 --> 21:31.155 WE'LL CALL THEM BACK AND ASK THEM TO STAY HERE AND HELP 21:31.157 --> 21:31.555 THEM TO STAY HERE AND HELP SUPPORT US. 21:31.557 --> 21:33.291 SUPPORT US. >> IF THERE WERE ANOTHER 9/11 21:33.293 --> 21:34.959 >> IF THERE WERE ANOTHER 9/11 TYPE TRAGEDY ON A NATIONAL 21:34.961 --> 21:36.394 TYPE TRAGEDY ON A NATIONAL SCALE, WOULD YOU MOBILIZE HERE 21:36.396 --> 21:36.727 SCALE, WOULD YOU MOBILIZE HERE LOCALLY? 21:36.729 --> 21:37.228 LOCALLY? >> WE WOULD. 21:37.230 --> 21:38.462 >> WE WOULD. WE WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT 21:38.464 --> 21:41.732 WE WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE THREAT IS TO THE COMMUNITY 21:41.734 --> 21:42.066 THE THREAT IS TO THE COMMUNITY LOCALLY. 21:42.068 --> 21:45.469 LOCALLY. WE'D BRING IN OUR LAW 21:45.471 --> 21:46.904 WE'D BRING IN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT INTEL OFFICE AND ASK 21:46.906 --> 21:48.372 ENFORCEMENT INTEL OFFICE AND ASK THEM TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION 21:48.374 --> 21:49.507 THEM TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE AND LET US KNOW WHAT 21:49.509 --> 21:50.775 THEY HAVE AND LET US KNOW WHAT LEVEL OF THREAT WE MIGHT BE 21:50.777 --> 21:52.810 LEVEL OF THREAT WE MIGHT BE FACED HERE LOCALLY AND WE WOULD 21:52.812 --> 21:54.345 FACED HERE LOCALLY AND WE WOULD OF COURSE START TO RELEASE THAT 21:54.347 --> 21:55.279 OF COURSE START TO RELEASE THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC 21:55.281 --> 22:00.017 INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND REASSURE THEM, MAKE SURE OUR 22:00.019 --> 22:01.786 AND REASSURE THEM, MAKE SURE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ANY TYPES 22:01.788 --> 22:02.987 ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ANY TYPES OF LOCAL JURISDICTIONS HAVE BEEN 22:02.989 --> 22:03.721 OF LOCAL JURISDICTIONS HAVE BEEN BRIEFED UP ON WHAT IT IS WE MAY 22:03.723 --> 22:06.657 BRIEFED UP ON WHAT IT IS WE MAY BE FACED WITH. 22:06.659 --> 22:08.025 BE FACED WITH. IF THERE WERE A SITUATION WITH A 22:08.027 --> 22:09.960 IF THERE WERE A SITUATION WITH A SCHOOL SHOOTING, THIS WOULD ALSO 22:09.962 --> 22:11.829 SCHOOL SHOOTING, THIS WOULD ALSO BECOME THAT COMMAND POST FOR 22:11.831 --> 22:12.196 BECOME THAT COMMAND POST FOR RESOURCES. 22:12.198 --> 22:13.564 RESOURCES. >> RIGHT, YEAH. 22:13.566 --> 22:14.865 >> RIGHT, YEAH. >> THE COMMAND POST IS GOING TO 22:14.867 --> 22:18.069 >> THE COMMAND POST IS GOING TO BE LOCALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE 22:18.071 --> 22:18.402 BE LOCALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE OFFSITE. 22:18.404 --> 22:19.136 OFFSITE. THIS EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER 22:19.138 --> 22:21.872 THIS EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER IS HERE TO SUPPORT THE INCIDENT 22:21.874 --> 22:22.239 IS HERE TO SUPPORT THE INCIDENT COMMANDER. 22:22.241 --> 22:25.576 COMMANDER. ONCE THEY'VE EXHAUSTED RESOURCES 22:25.578 --> 22:26.344 ONCE THEY'VE EXHAUSTED RESOURCES OR THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS 22:26.346 --> 22:27.378 OR THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAND 22:27.380 --> 22:28.813 THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAND THAT WILL WE CAN TAKE OFF THEIR 22:28.815 --> 22:31.115 THAT WILL WE CAN TAKE OFF THEIR PLATE, WE CAN HANDLE THAT HERE. 22:31.117 --> 22:32.616 PLATE, WE CAN HANDLE THAT HERE. LIKE A SCHOOL SHOOTING. 22:32.618 --> 22:34.719 LIKE A SCHOOL SHOOTING. THERE MAY BE SOME COMMUNITY 22:34.721 --> 22:35.653 THERE MAY BE SOME COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT NEED 22:35.655 --> 22:36.554 MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 22:36.556 --> 22:38.489 TO BE ADDRESSED. SO WE CAN START TO BRING 22:38.491 --> 22:40.057 SO WE CAN START TO BRING TOGETHER THE COMMUNITY MENTAL 22:40.059 --> 22:41.158 TOGETHER THE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATIONS AND HAVE 22:41.160 --> 22:44.829 HEALTH ASSOCIATIONS AND HAVE THEM START TO MEET AND 22:44.831 --> 22:45.563 THEM START TO MEET AND DETERMINE, DISCUSS HOW THEY'RE 22:45.565 --> 22:47.131 DETERMINE, DISCUSS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY 22:47.133 --> 22:48.332 GOING TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT WE MAY 22:48.334 --> 22:49.200 MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT WE MAY BE FACED WITH. 22:49.202 --> 22:51.168 BE FACED WITH. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE CAN 22:51.170 --> 22:53.771 SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE CAN TAKE UP, THE PLATE OFF THE 22:53.773 --> 22:55.206 TAKE UP, THE PLATE OFF THE INCIDENT COMMANDER, THEY'RE 22:55.208 --> 22:56.407 INCIDENT COMMANDER, THEY'RE BUSY, FACED WITH THE INCIDENT 22:56.409 --> 22:57.174 BUSY, FACED WITH THE INCIDENT THEY HAVE ON HAND. 22:57.176 --> 22:58.409 THEY HAVE ON HAND. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE 22:58.411 --> 22:59.310 THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT 22:59.312 --> 23:00.811 NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD FOR THE COMMUNITY. 23:00.813 --> 23:03.914 DOWN THE ROAD FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> YOUR BACKGROUND YOU SAID WITH 23:03.916 --> 23:04.749 >> YOUR BACKGROUND YOU SAID WITH THE TUCSON AIRPORT FIRE 23:04.751 --> 23:05.149 THE TUCSON AIRPORT FIRE DEPARTMENT. 23:05.151 --> 23:06.684 DEPARTMENT. AS A FIRST RESPONDER, HOW 23:06.686 --> 23:08.953 AS A FIRST RESPONDER, HOW CRITICAL ARE OPERATIONS LIKE 23:08.955 --> 23:09.487 CRITICAL ARE OPERATIONS LIKE THIS ONE? 23:09.489 --> 23:11.021 THIS ONE? >> YOU REALLY DON'T REALIZE HOW 23:11.023 --> 23:12.757 >> YOU REALLY DON'T REALIZE HOW HELPFUL THEY CAN BE UNTIL YOU 23:12.759 --> 23:16.727 HELPFUL THEY CAN BE UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING 23:16.729 --> 23:17.061 UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR YOU. 23:17.063 --> 23:18.396 FOR YOU. BECAUSE THE INCIDENT COMMANDER 23:18.398 --> 23:20.531 BECAUSE THE INCIDENT COMMANDER ON SITE IS GOING TO GO THROUGH 23:20.533 --> 23:21.665 ON SITE IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THEIR NORMAL PROCESS, THEY'RE 23:21.667 --> 23:22.933 THEIR NORMAL PROCESS, THEY'RE GOING TO MITIGATE THE INCIDENT 23:22.935 --> 23:24.068 GOING TO MITIGATE THE INCIDENT THEY'RE FACED WITH RIGHT NOW. 23:24.070 --> 23:25.269 THEY'RE FACED WITH RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY 23:25.271 --> 23:26.904 THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT GO AWAY. 23:26.906 --> 23:28.239 NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT GO AWAY. AND THE RECOVERY PIECE IS 23:28.241 --> 23:29.874 AND THE RECOVERY PIECE IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME 23:29.876 --> 23:33.277 SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS 23:33.279 --> 23:33.778 BACK TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. 23:33.780 --> 23:35.346 CENTER. AND THE SUPPORT FOR ADDITIONAL 23:35.348 --> 23:36.580 AND THE SUPPORT FOR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THEY MAY NOT HAVE ON 23:36.582 --> 23:37.314 RESOURCES THEY MAY NOT HAVE ON HAND AT THE SITE. 23:37.316 --> 23:38.949 HAND AT THE SITE. WE CAN START TO UNDERSTAND WHERE 23:38.951 --> 23:40.518 WE CAN START TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE ARE AT, HOW FAST WE CAN 23:40.520 --> 23:42.520 THOSE ARE AT, HOW FAST WE CAN GET THEM, WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR 23:42.522 --> 23:44.188 GET THEM, WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THEM AND START TO MOBILIZE THE 23:44.190 --> 23:45.389 THEM AND START TO MOBILIZE THE RESOURCES OUT TO THE INCIDENT 23:45.391 --> 23:47.024 RESOURCES OUT TO THE INCIDENT COMMANDER AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN 23:47.026 --> 23:48.192 COMMANDER AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE THOSE EN ROUTE BY THE TIME 23:48.194 --> 23:48.893 HAVE THOSE EN ROUTE BY THE TIME THEY ASK FOR THEM. 23:48.895 --> 23:50.561 THEY ASK FOR THEM. >> THE STATE OF THE ART FACILITY 23:50.563 --> 23:53.564 >> THE STATE OF THE ART FACILITY THAT KIND OF HELPS REPRESENT THE 23:53.566 --> 23:55.199 THAT KIND OF HELPS REPRESENT THE SOUTHWEST IN THAT RESPECT OF 23:55.201 --> 23:56.233 SOUTHWEST IN THAT RESPECT OF MANAGING CRISIS SITUATIONS. 23:56.235 --> 23:59.069 MANAGING CRISIS SITUATIONS. DO YOU THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE 23:59.071 --> 24:00.538 DO YOU THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE BE-ALL FOR SITUATIONS MOVING 24:00.540 --> 24:00.871 BE-ALL FOR SITUATIONS MOVING FORWARD? 24:00.873 --> 24:03.007 FORWARD? >> I THINK THAT THIS IS THE TYPE 24:03.009 --> 24:04.575 >> I THINK THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER 24:04.577 --> 24:05.743 OF EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER THAT EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO. 24:05.745 --> 24:07.278 THAT EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO. IT'S COST-EFFECTIVE. 24:07.280 --> 24:09.980 IT'S COST-EFFECTIVE. IT'S EASY TO MAINTAIN. 24:09.982 --> 24:11.248 IT'S EASY TO MAINTAIN. AND IT'S VERSATILE ENOUGH THAT 24:11.250 --> 24:13.317 AND IT'S VERSATILE ENOUGH THAT CAN YOU CHANGE IT DOWN THE ROAD. 24:13.319 --> 24:16.020 CAN YOU CHANGE IT DOWN THE ROAD. IF THE, THE WAY EMERGENCY 24:16.022 --> 24:18.055 IF THE, THE WAY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTERS CHANGE, WE 24:18.057 --> 24:21.859 OPERATIONS CENTERS CHANGE, WE CAN REMODEL THIS ROOM AND USE 24:21.861 --> 24:24.128 CAN REMODEL THIS ROOM AND USE THE SAME SPACE, IT WILL BE COST 24:24.130 --> 24:25.262 THE SAME SPACE, IT WILL BE COST EFFECTIVE TO HANDLE SITUATIONS 24:25.264 --> 24:27.298 EFFECTIVE TO HANDLE SITUATIONS DOWN THE ROAD AS THE INCIDENT 24:27.300 --> 24:29.333 DOWN THE ROAD AS THE INCIDENT COMMAND DOES AND EOCs CHANGE. 24:29.335 --> 24:30.868 COMMAND DOES AND EOCs CHANGE. >> DO YOU FEEL IF THERE WERE A 24:30.870 --> 24:32.470 >> DO YOU FEEL IF THERE WERE A MASSIVE CRISIS SITUATION IN THIS 24:32.472 --> 24:34.071 MASSIVE CRISIS SITUATION IN THIS REGION, WE WOULD BE PREPARED FOR 24:34.073 --> 24:34.338 REGION, WE WOULD BE PREPARED FOR IT? 24:34.340 --> 24:36.373 IT? >> ABSOLUTELY. 24:36.375 --> 24:40.044 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> SINCE 9/11, PRESIDENT BUSH 24:40.046 --> 24:41.679 >> SINCE 9/11, PRESIDENT BUSH PASSED THE NATIONAL INCIDENT 24:41.681 --> 24:42.913 PASSED THE NATIONAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT IS ALL 24:42.915 --> 24:44.615 MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT IS ALL FIRST RESPONDERS WILL HANDLE 24:44.617 --> 24:45.716 FIRST RESPONDERS WILL HANDLE INCIDENTS IN THE SAME MANNER 24:45.718 --> 24:47.318 INCIDENTS IN THE SAME MANNER ACROSS THE NATION. 24:47.320 --> 24:51.856 ACROSS THE NATION. AND REQUIRED CERTAIN LEVELS OF 24:51.858 --> 24:52.656 AND REQUIRED CERTAIN LEVELS OF TRAINING. 24:52.658 --> 24:53.657 TRAINING. SO THE FIRST RESPONDERS ARE 24:53.659 --> 24:55.259 SO THE FIRST RESPONDERS ARE BETTER TRAINED, BETTER EQUIPPED 24:55.261 --> 24:57.061 BETTER TRAINED, BETTER EQUIPPED THROUGH THE HOMELAND SECURITY 24:57.063 --> 24:59.497 THROUGH THE HOMELAND SECURITY FUNDING THAT WAS RELEASED DURING 24:59.499 --> 24:59.797 FUNDING THAT WAS RELEASED DURING 2001. 24:59.799 --> 25:00.998 2001. WE CONTINUE TO UPGRADE OUR 25:01.000 --> 25:02.867 WE CONTINUE TO UPGRADE OUR EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING AS THE 25:02.869 --> 25:04.235 EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING AS THE FIRST RESPONDERS RETIRE OUT. 25:04.237 --> 25:05.703 FIRST RESPONDERS RETIRE OUT. WE TRAIN THE NEW GUYS THAT ARE 25:05.705 --> 25:08.239 WE TRAIN THE NEW GUYS THAT ARE COMING UP THROUGH THE RANKS. 25:08.241 --> 25:11.175 COMING UP THROUGH THE RANKS. AND REPLACE EQUIPMENT THAT IS 25:11.177 --> 25:13.677 AND REPLACE EQUIPMENT THAT IS OUTDATED AND I THINK WE'RE VERY 25:13.679 --> 25:15.346 OUTDATED AND I THINK WE'RE VERY WELL PREPARED TO HANDLE AN 25:15.348 --> 25:17.681 WELL PREPARED TO HANDLE AN EMERGENCY IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA. 25:17.683 --> 25:20.351 EMERGENCY IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA. ¶ 25:20.353 --> 25:21.018 ¶ ¶ 25:21.020 --> 25:22.720 ¶ >> MUCH DIFFERENT NEWS NOW AND 25:22.722 --> 25:25.189 >> MUCH DIFFERENT NEWS NOW AND THE BUZZ WITH MY COLLEAGUE, 25:25.191 --> 25:26.123 THE BUZZ WITH MY COLLEAGUE, CHRISTOPHER CONOVER. 25:26.125 --> 25:26.891 CHRISTOPHER CONOVER. ANOTHER WEEK CLOSER TO THE 25:26.893 --> 25:28.125 ANOTHER WEEK CLOSER TO THE GENERAL ELECTION, THINGS 25:28.127 --> 25:28.659 GENERAL ELECTION, THINGS STARTING TO HEAT UP. 25:28.661 --> 25:30.728 STARTING TO HEAT UP. WE HAD A DEBATE THIS WEEK 25:30.730 --> 25:32.463 WE HAD A DEBATE THIS WEEK BETWEEN THE TWO GUBERNATORIAL 25:32.465 --> 25:32.863 BETWEEN THE TWO GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES. 25:32.865 --> 25:34.431 CANDIDATES. >> WE HAD OUR FIRST 25:34.433 --> 25:35.099 >> WE HAD OUR FIRST GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE OF THE 25:35.101 --> 25:36.066 GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE OF THE GENERAL ELECTION SEASON. 25:36.068 --> 25:37.968 GENERAL ELECTION SEASON. IT MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMY 25:37.970 --> 25:40.337 IT MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMY AND EDUCATION CAME TO PLAY IN 25:40.339 --> 25:40.971 AND EDUCATION CAME TO PLAY IN THAT. 25:40.973 --> 25:42.239 THAT. DEMOCRAT FRED DUVALL SAYS REALLY 25:42.241 --> 25:43.674 DEMOCRAT FRED DUVALL SAYS REALLY ONE OF THE WAYS TO FIX THE 25:43.676 --> 25:47.978 ONE OF THE WAYS TO FIX THE ECONOMY IS MAKE EDUCATION 25:47.980 --> 25:48.312 ECONOMY IS MAKE EDUCATION BETTER. 25:48.314 --> 25:49.580 BETTER. AND WHERE EDUCATION REALLY CAME 25:49.582 --> 25:52.583 AND WHERE EDUCATION REALLY CAME IN WAS THE K-12 FUNDING THAT THE 25:52.585 --> 25:54.285 IN WAS THE K-12 FUNDING THAT THE JUDGES RULED THE STATE OWES TO 25:54.287 --> 25:55.653 JUDGES RULED THE STATE OWES TO THE K-12 SYSTEM. 25:55.655 --> 25:57.021 THE K-12 SYSTEM. DUVALL SAYS IF HE'S GOVERNOR, 25:57.023 --> 25:59.189 DUVALL SAYS IF HE'S GOVERNOR, THE MONEY GETS PAID RIGHT AWAY. 25:59.191 --> 26:00.190 THE MONEY GETS PAID RIGHT AWAY. THE REPUBLICAN SAYS SLOW DOWN, 26:00.192 --> 26:01.625 THE REPUBLICAN SAYS SLOW DOWN, HE WANTS TO SEE THE APPEAL OF 26:01.627 --> 26:02.960 HE WANTS TO SEE THE APPEAL OF THAT RULING GO THROUGH BEFORE 26:02.962 --> 26:04.295 THAT RULING GO THROUGH BEFORE ANY CHECKS GET RITEN. 26:04.297 --> 26:06.297 ANY CHECKS GET RITEN. SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME 26:06.299 --> 26:06.630 SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME DIVIDE. 26:06.632 --> 26:07.865 DIVIDE. >> NO REAL FIREWORKS DURING THAT 26:07.867 --> 26:08.732 >> NO REAL FIREWORKS DURING THAT DEBATE UP IN PHOENIX. 26:08.734 --> 26:10.034 DEBATE UP IN PHOENIX. BUT WE ARE SEEING THE ADS REALLY 26:10.036 --> 26:13.203 BUT WE ARE SEEING THE ADS REALLY RAMP UP FOR THIS RACE. 26:13.205 --> 26:15.205 RAMP UP FOR THIS RACE. WE ARE REALLY SEEING THE ADS. 26:15.207 --> 26:16.874 WE ARE REALLY SEEING THE ADS. WE HAVE DEBATE COMING UP IN 26:16.876 --> 26:18.042 WE HAVE DEBATE COMING UP IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA THIS WEEK. 26:18.044 --> 26:19.643 SOUTHERN ARIZONA THIS WEEK. I'LL BE MODERATING IT. 26:19.645 --> 26:23.347 I'LL BE MODERATING IT. IT'S WITH THE TUCSON HISPANIC 26:23.349 --> 26:25.716 IT'S WITH THE TUCSON HISPANIC CHAMBER, THE YWCA AND THE JEWISH 26:25.718 --> 26:27.484 CHAMBER, THE YWCA AND THE JEWISH FEDERATION OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA, 26:27.486 --> 26:29.420 FEDERATION OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA, LATE THEY ARE WEEK WE COULD GET 26:29.422 --> 26:31.288 LATE THEY ARE WEEK WE COULD GET SOME FIREWORKS, BUT WE ARE 26:31.290 --> 26:32.756 SOME FIREWORKS, BUT WE ARE SEEING NEW ADS AND OUTSIDE ADS 26:32.758 --> 26:36.060 SEEING NEW ADS AND OUTSIDE ADS COMING IN AND ATTACKING DOUG 26:36.062 --> 26:38.362 COMING IN AND ATTACKING DOUG DEUCY SPECIFICALLY ON COLDSTONE 26:38.364 --> 26:38.729 DEUCY SPECIFICALLY ON COLDSTONE CREAMERY. 26:38.731 --> 26:40.464 CREAMERY. >> THE QUESTION OF SOME OF HIS 26:40.466 --> 26:41.498 >> THE QUESTION OF SOME OF HIS DEPARTURE FROM THE COMPANY. 26:41.500 --> 26:44.635 DEPARTURE FROM THE COMPANY. >> HIS DEPARTURE AND SBA LOANS. 26:44.637 --> 26:45.636 >> HIS DEPARTURE AND SBA LOANS. THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" WROTE 26:45.638 --> 26:48.439 THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" WROTE AN ARTICLE THIS WEEK, THE 10 26:48.441 --> 26:49.607 AN ARTICLE THIS WEEK, THE 10 WORST-FRANCHISED COMPANIES FOR 26:49.609 --> 26:51.442 WORST-FRANCHISED COMPANIES FOR DEFAULTING ON SBA, SMALL 26:51.444 --> 26:52.276 DEFAULTING ON SBA, SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION LOANS 26:52.278 --> 26:54.411 BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION LOANS AND COLDSTONE CREAMERY MADE THE 26:54.413 --> 26:55.312 AND COLDSTONE CREAMERY MADE THE LIST OF TOP 10. 26:55.314 --> 26:58.515 LIST OF TOP 10. AND THAT AD GOES AFTER DOUG 26:58.517 --> 26:58.816 AND THAT AD GOES AFTER DOUG DEUCY. 26:58.818 --> 26:59.650 DEUCY. AROUND THAT ISSUE. 26:59.652 --> 27:01.785 AROUND THAT ISSUE. >> ALSO THE POLLS, A NEW ONE 27:01.787 --> 27:03.821 >> ALSO THE POLLS, A NEW ONE OUT, THEY'RE SOMEWHAT CLOSED, SO 27:03.823 --> 27:05.823 OUT, THEY'RE SOMEWHAT CLOSED, SO I THINK DOUG DEUCY IS IN THE 27:05.825 --> 27:06.123 I THINK DOUG DEUCY IS IN THE LEAD? 27:06.125 --> 27:07.458 LEAD? >> HE'S IN THE LEAD BY A POINT. 27:07.460 --> 27:08.692 >> HE'S IN THE LEAD BY A POINT. SO AGAIN A VERY CLOSE. 27:08.694 --> 27:10.461 SO AGAIN A VERY CLOSE. THERE WAS A POLL LATE LAST WEEK 27:10.463 --> 27:12.162 THERE WAS A POLL LATE LAST WEEK THAT HAD HIM UP BY 13, BUT IT 27:12.164 --> 27:15.299 THAT HAD HIM UP BY 13, BUT IT WAS ONLY IN CONGRESSIONAL 27:15.301 --> 27:17.601 WAS ONLY IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 1. 27:17.603 --> 27:19.603 DISTRICT 1. SO THAT WAS NOT A GOOD SNAPSHOT 27:19.605 --> 27:22.106 SO THAT WAS NOT A GOOD SNAPSHOT OF THE WHOLE STATE. 27:22.108 --> 27:24.208 OF THE WHOLE STATE. NEW POLL, "NEW YORK TIMES" AND 27:24.210 --> 27:26.310 NEW POLL, "NEW YORK TIMES" AND CBS AND OTHERS PUT OUT, HAS IT 27:26.312 --> 27:27.444 CBS AND OTHERS PUT OUT, HAS IT BASICALLY TIED. 27:27.446 --> 27:29.613 BASICALLY TIED. SECOND POLL WE'VE SEEN THAT HAS 27:29.615 --> 27:30.848 SECOND POLL WE'VE SEEN THAT HAS THE RACE BETWEEN DEUCY AND 27:30.850 --> 27:31.382 THE RACE BETWEEN DEUCY AND DUVALL TIED. 27:31.384 --> 27:34.318 DUVALL TIED. >> WE'LL SEE NEW ONES AS WE GET 27:34.320 --> 27:34.652 >> WE'LL SEE NEW ONES AS WE GET CLOSER. 27:34.654 --> 27:35.953 CLOSER. >>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM, A 27:35.955 --> 27:38.722 >>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM, A REMINDER FOR YOU, I DO EXPECT TO 27:38.724 --> 27:39.923 REMINDER FOR YOU, I DO EXPECT TO INTERVIEW REPUBLICAN 27:39.925 --> 27:40.791 INTERVIEW REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE DOUG 27:40.793 --> 27:43.327 GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE DOUG DEUCY NEXT WEEK, WE EXPECT HIS 27:43.329 --> 27:44.495 DEUCY NEXT WEEK, WE EXPECT HIS INTERVIEW WILL BE FEATURED ON 27:44.497 --> 27:45.896 INTERVIEW WILL BE FEATURED ON THE NEXT WEEK'S PROGRAM. 27:45.898 --> 27:48.132 THE NEXT WEEK'S PROGRAM. FOR ALL OF US HERE AT ARIZONA 27:48.134 --> 27:50.601 FOR ALL OF US HERE AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA I'M LORRAINE 27:50.603 --> 27:50.934 PUBLIC MEDIA I'M LORRAINE RIVETTA. 27:50.936 --> 27:51.869 RIVETTA. THANKS FOR JOINING US. 27:54.205 --> 27:54.805 -- Captions by VITAC -- www.vitac.com