1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,304 >>> IT'S A DAY AMERICANS WILL NEVER FORGET, LOOKING BACK ON 2 00:00:05,306 --> 00:00:05,738 NEVER FORGET, LOOKING BACK ON THE -- 3 00:00:05,740 --> 00:00:13,245 >>> IT'S A DAY AMERICANS WILL NEVER FORGET. 4 00:00:13,247 --> 00:00:16,248 NEVER FORGET. LOOKING BACK ON THE TERROR OF 5 00:00:16,250 --> 00:00:16,548 LOOKING BACK ON THE TERROR OF 9/11. 6 00:00:16,550 --> 00:00:20,352 9/11. >> IN MY MIND, THE THING THAT I 7 00:00:20,354 --> 00:00:23,022 >> IN MY MIND, THE THING THAT I REMEMBER MOST IS THIS 8 00:00:23,024 --> 00:00:26,892 REMEMBER MOST IS THIS REDDISH-ORANGE FIREBALL ROLLING 9 00:00:26,894 --> 00:00:28,527 REDDISH-ORANGE FIREBALL ROLLING OVER THE TOP OF THE PENTAGON 10 00:00:28,529 --> 00:00:30,162 OVER THE TOP OF THE PENTAGON TOWARDS THE POTOMAC RIVER. 11 00:00:30,164 --> 00:00:32,364 TOWARDS THE POTOMAC RIVER. >> AND A BORDER EXPERT WEIGHS IN 12 00:00:32,366 --> 00:00:34,800 >> AND A BORDER EXPERT WEIGHS IN ON WHETHER A THREAT EXISTS ALONG 13 00:00:34,802 --> 00:00:36,735 ON WHETHER A THREAT EXISTS ALONG OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. 14 00:00:36,737 --> 00:00:40,239 OUR SOUTHERN BORDER. >> IF A MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL WERE 15 00:00:40,241 --> 00:00:42,541 >> IF A MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL WERE EVER TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH HARD 16 00:00:42,543 --> 00:00:44,109 EVER TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH HARD EVIDENCE WITH A TERRORIST 17 00:00:44,111 --> 00:00:45,744 EVIDENCE WITH A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, THERE IS NO FASTER 18 00:00:45,746 --> 00:00:47,980 ORGANIZATION, THERE IS NO FASTER WAY TO SHUT DOWN A 19 00:00:47,982 --> 00:00:51,617 WAY TO SHUT DOWN A DRUG-SMUGGLING OR HUMAN 20 00:00:51,619 --> 00:00:52,418 DRUG-SMUGGLING OR HUMAN SMUGGLING OPERATION. 21 00:00:52,420 --> 00:00:55,020 SMUGGLING OPERATION. >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." 22 00:00:55,022 --> 00:00:57,256 >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." ¶ 23 00:00:57,258 --> 00:01:02,127 >>> HELLO AND THANKS FOR JOINING US. 24 00:01:02,129 --> 00:01:05,197 US. I'M LORRAINE RIVETTA, LAST WEEK 25 00:01:05,199 --> 00:01:07,533 I'M LORRAINE RIVETTA, LAST WEEK WE TOLD YOU REPUBLICAN 26 00:01:07,535 --> 00:01:09,468 WE TOLD YOU REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE DOUG 27 00:01:09,470 --> 00:01:11,070 GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE DOUG DOOSEY WOULD BE ON THIS PROGRAM. 28 00:01:11,072 --> 00:01:12,671 DOOSEY WOULD BE ON THIS PROGRAM. ON MONDAY HIS OFFICE CANCELED 29 00:01:12,673 --> 00:01:14,073 ON MONDAY HIS OFFICE CANCELED AND RESCHEDULED OUR INTERVIEW. 30 00:01:14,075 --> 00:01:15,474 AND RESCHEDULED OUR INTERVIEW. WE EXPECT TO INTERVIEW HIM NEXT 31 00:01:15,476 --> 00:01:17,342 WE EXPECT TO INTERVIEW HIM NEXT WEEK AND HAVE THE INTERVIEW NEXT 32 00:01:17,344 --> 00:01:17,776 WEEK AND HAVE THE INTERVIEW NEXT FRIDAY. 33 00:01:17,778 --> 00:01:19,812 FRIDAY. BACK TO THIS PROGRAM. 34 00:01:19,814 --> 00:01:21,146 BACK TO THIS PROGRAM. SEPTEMBER 11th WAS THE LARGEST 35 00:01:21,148 --> 00:01:23,482 SEPTEMBER 11th WAS THE LARGEST TERRORIST ATTACK ON U.S. SOIL. 36 00:01:23,484 --> 00:01:25,751 TERRORIST ATTACK ON U.S. SOIL. NEARLY 3,000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED 37 00:01:25,753 --> 00:01:28,020 NEARLY 3,000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED WHEN COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS FLEW 38 00:01:28,022 --> 00:01:28,754 WHEN COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS FLEW INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TWIN 39 00:01:28,756 --> 00:01:32,024 INTO THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TWIN TOWERS AND THE PENTAGON. 40 00:01:32,026 --> 00:01:36,295 TOWERS AND THE PENTAGON. TONY COHLSON WAS A DRUG 41 00:01:36,297 --> 00:01:36,995 TONY COHLSON WAS A DRUG ENFORCEMENT AGENT AT THE TIME 42 00:01:36,997 --> 00:01:37,763 ENFORCEMENT AGENT AT THE TIME AND WAS IN BAESHDS. 43 00:01:37,765 --> 00:01:40,165 AND WAS IN BAESHDS. NOW RETIRED AND LIVING IN 44 00:01:40,167 --> 00:01:42,067 NOW RETIRED AND LIVING IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, IN HIS OWN 45 00:01:42,069 --> 00:01:42,768 SOUTHERN ARIZONA, IN HIS OWN WORDS, HE TELLS US ABOUT THAT 46 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:45,804 WORDS, HE TELLS US ABOUT THAT DAY. 47 00:01:45,806 --> 00:01:48,140 DAY. >> I ACTUALLY WAS WORKING, I 48 00:01:48,142 --> 00:01:49,942 >> I ACTUALLY WAS WORKING, I ACTUALLY GOT IN THAT MORNING 49 00:01:49,944 --> 00:01:50,476 ACTUALLY GOT IN THAT MORNING FROM NEW YORK CITY. 50 00:01:50,478 --> 00:01:52,644 FROM NEW YORK CITY. I CAME IN, CAUGHT A TRAIN BACK 51 00:01:52,646 --> 00:01:58,183 I CAME IN, CAUGHT A TRAIN BACK TO D.C., BECAUSE I WAS IN NEW 52 00:01:58,185 --> 00:02:00,552 TO D.C., BECAUSE I WAS IN NEW YORK, ON WORKING AND DOING SOME 53 00:02:00,554 --> 00:02:03,522 YORK, ON WORKING AND DOING SOME WORK THERE AND CAME BACK THAT 54 00:02:03,524 --> 00:02:03,856 WORK THERE AND CAME BACK THAT MORNING. 55 00:02:03,858 --> 00:02:04,556 MORNING. INTO HEADQUARTERS. 56 00:02:04,558 --> 00:02:09,761 INTO HEADQUARTERS. SO WHEN I CAME IN, THE DAME 57 00:02:09,763 --> 00:02:11,430 SO WHEN I CAME IN, THE DAME STARTED OFF NORMAL FOR ALL OF 58 00:02:11,432 --> 00:02:11,697 STARTED OFF NORMAL FOR ALL OF US. 59 00:02:11,699 --> 00:02:14,032 US. AND PRETTY SOON IT WAS A, YOU 60 00:02:14,034 --> 00:02:15,567 AND PRETTY SOON IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, A PLANE HIT ONE OF THE 61 00:02:15,569 --> 00:02:16,802 KNOW, A PLANE HIT ONE OF THE TOWERS IN NEW YORK. 62 00:02:16,804 --> 00:02:20,873 TOWERS IN NEW YORK. AND OF COURSE, EVERYONE IN DEA 63 00:02:20,875 --> 00:02:21,974 AND OF COURSE, EVERYONE IN DEA HEADQUARTERS AND AROUND THE 64 00:02:21,976 --> 00:02:24,476 HEADQUARTERS AND AROUND THE WORLD SWITCHED ON THE TVs AND 65 00:02:24,478 --> 00:02:26,145 WORLD SWITCHED ON THE TVs AND STARTED WATCHING WITH HORROR AND 66 00:02:26,147 --> 00:02:29,615 STARTED WATCHING WITH HORROR AND FASCINATION AT THE SAME TIME. 67 00:02:29,617 --> 00:02:33,719 FASCINATION AT THE SAME TIME. OF HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN. 68 00:02:33,721 --> 00:02:35,787 OF HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN. SOON AFTER THAT, A SECOND PLANE 69 00:02:35,789 --> 00:02:38,790 SOON AFTER THAT, A SECOND PLANE HIT THE OTHER TOWER. 70 00:02:38,792 --> 00:02:42,094 HIT THE OTHER TOWER. AND IT WAS IN THAT INSTANCE THAT 71 00:02:42,096 --> 00:02:43,428 AND IT WAS IN THAT INSTANCE THAT AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, 72 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:48,433 AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, FROM WHERE I WAS STANDING, THAT 73 00:02:48,435 --> 00:02:52,738 FROM WHERE I WAS STANDING, THAT DEA, WE REALIZE THAT WE WERE 74 00:02:52,740 --> 00:02:54,873 DEA, WE REALIZE THAT WE WERE UNDER ATTACK. 75 00:02:54,875 --> 00:02:56,542 UNDER ATTACK. AND THINGS STARTED TO CHANGE 76 00:02:56,544 --> 00:02:57,209 AND THINGS STARTED TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY FOR US AT THAT 77 00:02:57,211 --> 00:02:59,711 DRAMATICALLY FOR US AT THAT MOMENT. 78 00:02:59,713 --> 00:03:03,315 MOMENT. I WALKED TO MY BOSS'S OFFICE, 79 00:03:03,317 --> 00:03:07,653 I WALKED TO MY BOSS'S OFFICE, WHICH WAS ON THE OVERLOOKING THE 80 00:03:07,655 --> 00:03:09,388 WHICH WAS ON THE OVERLOOKING THE PENTAGON, OVERLOOKING THE SIDE 81 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:10,122 PENTAGON, OVERLOOKING THE SIDE OF THE PENTAGON WHERE THE PLANE 82 00:03:10,124 --> 00:03:12,758 OF THE PENTAGON WHERE THE PLANE STRUCK. 83 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,594 STRUCK. AND BEFORE, BEFORE THE PLANE 84 00:03:15,596 --> 00:03:18,030 AND BEFORE, BEFORE THE PLANE STRUCK THE PENTAGON. 85 00:03:18,032 --> 00:03:19,298 STRUCK THE PENTAGON. AND YOU REMEMBER CERTAIN 86 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:22,935 AND YOU REMEMBER CERTAIN INSTANCES IN THAT DAY SO 87 00:03:22,937 --> 00:03:25,871 INSTANCES IN THAT DAY SO CLEARLY, THAT YOU RECALL. 88 00:03:25,873 --> 00:03:27,072 CLEARLY, THAT YOU RECALL. AND I REMEMBER SITTING THERE 89 00:03:27,074 --> 00:03:30,409 AND I REMEMBER SITTING THERE WITH MY BOSS, WHO WAS THEN THE 90 00:03:30,411 --> 00:03:32,344 WITH MY BOSS, WHO WAS THEN THE ACTING DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF 91 00:03:32,346 --> 00:03:32,611 ACTING DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF DEA. 92 00:03:32,613 --> 00:03:34,413 DEA. AND WE'RE LOOKING OUT THE 93 00:03:34,415 --> 00:03:36,481 AND WE'RE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW. 94 00:03:36,483 --> 00:03:38,116 WINDOW. AND WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING AT 95 00:03:38,118 --> 00:03:40,619 AND WE WERE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PENTAGON AND WE WERE JUST 96 00:03:40,621 --> 00:03:41,320 THE PENTAGON AND WE WERE JUST SAYING, THAT'S A TARGET OVER 97 00:03:41,322 --> 00:03:43,722 SAYING, THAT'S A TARGET OVER THERE. 98 00:03:43,724 --> 00:03:45,457 THERE. AND WE'RE THE TALLEST BUILDINGS 99 00:03:45,459 --> 00:03:49,228 AND WE'RE THE TALLEST BUILDINGS NEXT TO THAT TARGET. 100 00:03:49,230 --> 00:03:51,763 NEXT TO THAT TARGET. AND WE'RE UNDER ATTACK. 101 00:03:51,765 --> 00:03:55,701 AND WE'RE UNDER ATTACK. WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO 102 00:03:55,703 --> 00:03:57,703 WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MOBILIZE AROUND THIS, THIS 103 00:03:57,705 --> 00:03:58,003 MOBILIZE AROUND THIS, THIS ISSUE. 104 00:03:58,005 --> 00:04:00,405 ISSUE. AND I REMEMBER WALKING BACK TO 105 00:04:00,407 --> 00:04:06,044 AND I REMEMBER WALKING BACK TO MY OFFICE, WHICH WAS YOU KNOW, 106 00:04:06,046 --> 00:04:08,213 MY OFFICE, WHICH WAS YOU KNOW, 20 FEET DOWN THE HALL, STANDING 107 00:04:08,215 --> 00:04:12,284 20 FEET DOWN THE HALL, STANDING IN MY OFFICE WHEN THE PLANE HIT 108 00:04:12,286 --> 00:04:12,918 IN MY OFFICE WHEN THE PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON. 109 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,220 THE PENTAGON. AND ALTHOUGH I COULDN'T SEE THE 110 00:04:15,222 --> 00:04:17,389 AND ALTHOUGH I COULDN'T SEE THE IMPACT OF IT, YOU COULD HEAR IT, 111 00:04:17,391 --> 00:04:18,924 IMPACT OF IT, YOU COULD HEAR IT, YOU COULD FEEL THE BUILDING 112 00:04:18,926 --> 00:04:21,860 YOU COULD FEEL THE BUILDING SHAKE THAT WE WERE IN, BECAUSE 113 00:04:21,862 --> 00:04:24,830 SHAKE THAT WE WERE IN, BECAUSE WE WERE ONLY A FEW HUNDRED YARDS 114 00:04:24,832 --> 00:04:26,865 WE WERE ONLY A FEW HUNDRED YARDS AWAY FROM THE SIDE OF THE 115 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:27,232 AWAY FROM THE SIDE OF THE PENTAGON. 116 00:04:27,234 --> 00:04:30,869 PENTAGON. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 117 00:04:30,871 --> 00:04:31,236 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. 118 00:04:31,238 --> 00:04:35,540 FREEWAY. AND IN MY MIND, THE THING THAT I 119 00:04:35,542 --> 00:04:38,777 AND IN MY MIND, THE THING THAT I REMEMBER MOST IS THIS REDDISH 120 00:04:38,779 --> 00:04:41,280 REMEMBER MOST IS THIS REDDISH ORANGE FIREBALL ROLLING OVER THE 121 00:04:41,282 --> 00:04:43,181 ORANGE FIREBALL ROLLING OVER THE TOP OF THE PENTAGON TOWARDS THE 122 00:04:43,183 --> 00:04:44,650 TOP OF THE PENTAGON TOWARDS THE POTOMAC RIVER. 123 00:04:44,652 --> 00:04:46,585 POTOMAC RIVER. BECAUSE THE PLANE HIT ON THE 124 00:04:46,587 --> 00:04:50,622 BECAUSE THE PLANE HIT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 125 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:52,591 OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND I REMEMBER OUR STAFF 126 00:04:52,593 --> 00:04:53,925 AND I REMEMBER OUR STAFF ASSISTANT, AND THE SECRETARY, I 127 00:04:53,927 --> 00:04:55,494 ASSISTANT, AND THE SECRETARY, I REMEMBER THE LOOK ON HER FACE, 128 00:04:55,496 --> 00:05:02,167 REMEMBER THE LOOK ON HER FACE, THE HORROR, THE TERRIFIED TO THE 129 00:05:02,169 --> 00:05:03,702 THE HORROR, THE TERRIFIED TO THE BONE. 130 00:05:03,704 --> 00:05:05,871 BONE. AND THAT'S WHEN AN EMERGENCY 131 00:05:05,873 --> 00:05:07,673 AND THAT'S WHEN AN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WHERE 132 00:05:07,675 --> 00:05:08,640 SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WHERE TRAINING KICKS IN. 133 00:05:08,642 --> 00:05:12,778 TRAINING KICKS IN. AND YOU JUST START REACTING 134 00:05:12,780 --> 00:05:13,211 AND YOU JUST START REACTING AUTOMATICALLY. 135 00:05:13,213 --> 00:05:15,714 AUTOMATICALLY. ESPECIALLY FROM A LAW 136 00:05:15,716 --> 00:05:16,982 ESPECIALLY FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT. 137 00:05:16,984 --> 00:05:18,850 ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT. YOU START ASSESSING THE 138 00:05:18,852 --> 00:05:20,018 YOU START ASSESSING THE PERSONNEL AROUND YOU, MAKING 139 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:21,486 PERSONNEL AROUND YOU, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY, THAT 140 00:05:21,488 --> 00:05:22,554 SURE THAT THEY'RE OKAY, THAT THEY'RE CALM. 141 00:05:22,556 --> 00:05:24,389 THEY'RE CALM. AND THEN YOU KNOW, MY FIRST 142 00:05:24,391 --> 00:05:28,927 AND THEN YOU KNOW, MY FIRST RESPONSE WAS -- YOU KNOW, TO MY 143 00:05:28,929 --> 00:05:30,896 RESPONSE WAS -- YOU KNOW, TO MY BOSS, SITTING AND MANY ON THAT 144 00:05:30,898 --> 00:05:32,631 BOSS, SITTING AND MANY ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY 145 00:05:32,633 --> 00:05:34,633 SIDE OF THE BUILDING ACTUALLY OBSERVED THE AIRCRAFT COMING IN. 146 00:05:34,635 --> 00:05:36,535 OBSERVED THE AIRCRAFT COMING IN. AND IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE A LOT OF 147 00:05:36,537 --> 00:05:39,905 AND IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THEY 148 00:05:39,907 --> 00:05:40,939 FOLKS DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT THEY COULD HEAR THE ENGINES. 149 00:05:40,941 --> 00:05:42,708 COULD HEAR THE ENGINES. THEY COULD HEAR THE ENGINES 150 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:44,543 THEY COULD HEAR THE ENGINES REVVING AS IT CAME IN. 151 00:05:44,545 --> 00:05:46,578 REVVING AS IT CAME IN. AND HIT THE PENTAGON. 152 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:49,614 AND HIT THE PENTAGON. AND THEN THE DEVASTATION FROM 153 00:05:49,616 --> 00:05:53,251 AND THEN THE DEVASTATION FROM THAT, THE FIRES THAT BROKE OUT, 154 00:05:53,253 --> 00:05:54,086 THAT, THE FIRES THAT BROKE OUT, THE SMOKE. 155 00:05:54,088 --> 00:05:57,089 THE SMOKE. BECAME PRETTY, PRETTY POWERFUL, 156 00:05:57,091 --> 00:06:00,859 BECAME PRETTY, PRETTY POWERFUL, OUR FIRST RESPONSE WAS. 157 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:04,029 OUR FIRST RESPONSE WAS. TO MANAGE WHAT WAS COMING OVER 158 00:06:04,031 --> 00:06:08,233 TO MANAGE WHAT WAS COMING OVER FROM THE PENTAGON INTO OUR AREA. 159 00:06:08,235 --> 00:06:13,238 FROM THE PENTAGON INTO OUR AREA. AND SO DEA, LAW ENFORCEMENT, 160 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,108 AND SO DEA, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRST RESPONDERS SET UP A TRIAGE 161 00:06:16,110 --> 00:06:18,377 FIRST RESPONDERS SET UP A TRIAGE ON THE ACTUAL LAWN OF THE DEA 162 00:06:18,379 --> 00:06:21,012 ON THE ACTUAL LAWN OF THE DEA HEADQUARTERS, A TRIAGE CENTER. 163 00:06:21,014 --> 00:06:23,281 HEADQUARTERS, A TRIAGE CENTER. AND AS FIRE AND POLICE 164 00:06:23,283 --> 00:06:25,650 AND AS FIRE AND POLICE RESPONDED, AS THE MILITARY 165 00:06:25,652 --> 00:06:28,487 RESPONDED, AS THE MILITARY RESPONDED, WE WOULD GO OUT IN 166 00:06:28,489 --> 00:06:32,357 RESPONDED, WE WOULD GO OUT IN THE FRONT PART OF THE LAWN WAS, 167 00:06:32,359 --> 00:06:33,692 THE FRONT PART OF THE LAWN WAS, EVACUATING THE WALKING WOUNDED 168 00:06:33,694 --> 00:06:36,495 EVACUATING THE WALKING WOUNDED TO THAT PLACE. 169 00:06:36,497 --> 00:06:39,998 TO THAT PLACE. AND SO IT WAS KIND OF, IT WAS 170 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:40,766 AND SO IT WAS KIND OF, IT WAS KIND OF SURREAL. 171 00:06:40,768 --> 00:06:43,602 KIND OF SURREAL. AND WE HAD TO EVACUATE 2500 172 00:06:43,604 --> 00:06:45,570 AND WE HAD TO EVACUATE 2500 PEOPLE FROM TWO BUILDINGS AND WE 173 00:06:45,572 --> 00:06:47,739 PEOPLE FROM TWO BUILDINGS AND WE HAD ANOTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDING 174 00:06:47,741 --> 00:06:48,673 HAD ANOTHER GOVERNMENT BUILDING IN CRYSTAL CITY. 175 00:06:48,675 --> 00:06:51,610 IN CRYSTAL CITY. SO WE HAD TO CONCERN OURSELVES 176 00:06:51,612 --> 00:06:54,146 SO WE HAD TO CONCERN OURSELVES ABOUT EVACUATION OF THOSE 177 00:06:54,148 --> 00:06:54,513 ABOUT EVACUATION OF THOSE PERSONNEL. 178 00:06:54,515 --> 00:06:57,382 PERSONNEL. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE SMOKE 179 00:06:57,384 --> 00:06:58,984 AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE SMOKE FROM THE PENTAGON WAS COMING IN 180 00:06:58,986 --> 00:07:01,353 FROM THE PENTAGON WAS COMING IN THE DIRECTION OF OUR BUILDING. 181 00:07:01,355 --> 00:07:02,621 THE DIRECTION OF OUR BUILDING. AND OUR AIR CONDITIONING UNITS 182 00:07:02,623 --> 00:07:04,423 AND OUR AIR CONDITIONING UNITS WERE ACTUALLY BRINGING IN SMOKE 183 00:07:04,425 --> 00:07:06,591 WERE ACTUALLY BRINGING IN SMOKE INTO THE BUILDING. 184 00:07:06,593 --> 00:07:11,863 INTO THE BUILDING. SO WE EVACUATED THE BUILDING, WE 185 00:07:11,865 --> 00:07:13,265 SO WE EVACUATED THE BUILDING, WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT, I'M SITTING 186 00:07:13,267 --> 00:07:14,433 HAD TO FIGURE OUT, I'M SITTING WITH THE BOSS WHO IS DIRECTING 187 00:07:14,435 --> 00:07:17,068 WITH THE BOSS WHO IS DIRECTING THIS FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE, 188 00:07:17,070 --> 00:07:21,840 THIS FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE 189 00:07:21,842 --> 00:07:23,942 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD GET PEOPLE BACK ON THE 190 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:24,910 COULD GET PEOPLE BACK ON THE ROADS AND BACK HOME. 191 00:07:24,912 --> 00:07:27,312 ROADS AND BACK HOME. WHICH WAS GOING TO BE A 192 00:07:27,314 --> 00:07:28,613 WHICH WAS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE FOR US. 193 00:07:28,615 --> 00:07:32,150 NIGHTMARE FOR US. WE CLOSED DOWN DEA HEADQUARTERS, 194 00:07:32,152 --> 00:07:36,154 WE CLOSED DOWN DEA HEADQUARTERS, LEFT A SIZEABLE AGENT SECURITY 195 00:07:36,156 --> 00:07:38,190 LEFT A SIZEABLE AGENT SECURITY FORCE AT THE FACILITY. 196 00:07:38,192 --> 00:07:41,693 FORCE AT THE FACILITY. AND MOVED TO OUR ALTERNATE 197 00:07:41,695 --> 00:07:43,762 AND MOVED TO OUR ALTERNATE COMMAND SITE IN VIRGINIA. 198 00:07:43,764 --> 00:07:50,168 COMMAND SITE IN VIRGINIA. AS WE GATHERED OUT YOU KNOW, 20, 199 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:52,704 AS WE GATHERED OUT YOU KNOW, 20, 30 MINUTES AFTER THE PLANE 200 00:07:52,706 --> 00:07:56,975 30 MINUTES AFTER THE PLANE CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON, 201 00:07:56,977 --> 00:07:58,109 CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON, ALREADY ALL THE COMMERCIAL 202 00:07:58,111 --> 00:08:00,212 ALREADY ALL THE COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN BROUGHT DOWN 203 00:08:00,214 --> 00:08:02,647 AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN BROUGHT DOWN TO THE GROUND LEVEL, TO AIRPORTS 204 00:08:02,649 --> 00:08:03,882 TO THE GROUND LEVEL, TO AIRPORTS WHEREVER THEY WERE. 205 00:08:03,884 --> 00:08:06,117 WHEREVER THEY WERE. AIR TRAFFIC STOPPED LITERALLY. 206 00:08:06,119 --> 00:08:10,422 AIR TRAFFIC STOPPED LITERALLY. IN THE UNITED STATES. 207 00:08:10,424 --> 00:08:14,159 IN THE UNITED STATES. AND IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE 208 00:08:14,161 --> 00:08:15,193 AND IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE SURREAL MOMENTS WHEN YOU ARE 209 00:08:15,195 --> 00:08:17,195 SURREAL MOMENTS WHEN YOU ARE STANDING OUTSIDE, TRAFFIC, 210 00:08:17,197 --> 00:08:19,331 STANDING OUTSIDE, TRAFFIC, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC EXCEPT FOR 211 00:08:19,333 --> 00:08:21,566 THERE'S NO TRAFFIC EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES. 212 00:08:21,568 --> 00:08:23,502 EMERGENCY VEHICLES. THERE'S SMOKE FROM THE FIRES AT 213 00:08:23,504 --> 00:08:25,570 THERE'S SMOKE FROM THE FIRES AT THE PENTAGON RIGHT NEXT DOOR. 214 00:08:25,572 --> 00:08:26,872 THE PENTAGON RIGHT NEXT DOOR. AND YOU HAVE, AND YOU LOOK UP IN 215 00:08:26,874 --> 00:08:29,641 AND YOU HAVE, AND YOU LOOK UP IN THE SKY AND THE SKY IS CRYSTAL 216 00:08:29,643 --> 00:08:30,909 THE SKY AND THE SKY IS CRYSTAL BLUE SKIES. 217 00:08:30,911 --> 00:08:33,111 BLUE SKIES. AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SKY. 218 00:08:33,113 --> 00:08:35,514 AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SKY. AND WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE 219 00:08:35,516 --> 00:08:36,748 AND WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE NATIONAL AIRPORT. 220 00:08:36,750 --> 00:08:38,550 NATIONAL AIRPORT. AND THERE'S NO SOUNDS. 221 00:08:38,552 --> 00:08:40,785 AND THERE'S NO SOUNDS. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING IN 222 00:08:40,787 --> 00:08:41,786 THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SKY. 223 00:08:41,788 --> 00:08:42,821 THE SKY. THERE'S NO PLANES. 224 00:08:42,823 --> 00:08:48,360 THERE'S NO PLANES. YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT CONTRAIL 225 00:08:48,362 --> 00:08:49,728 YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT CONTRAIL ETCH-A-SKETCH IN THE SKY. 226 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:52,464 ETCH-A-SKETCH IN THE SKY. IT WAS A VERY SURREAL MOMENT IN 227 00:08:52,466 --> 00:08:54,666 IT WAS A VERY SURREAL MOMENT IN TERMS OF -- YOU KNOW, THE WORLD 228 00:08:54,668 --> 00:08:56,501 TERMS OF -- YOU KNOW, THE WORLD HAS STOPPED. 229 00:08:56,503 --> 00:08:58,336 HAS STOPPED. >> CAN TERRORISTS GAIN ENTRY TO 230 00:08:58,338 --> 00:09:00,138 >> CAN TERRORISTS GAIN ENTRY TO THE UNITED STATES THROUGH OUR 231 00:09:00,140 --> 00:09:01,239 THE UNITED STATES THROUGH OUR NATION'S SOUTHERN BORDER? 232 00:09:01,241 --> 00:09:02,340 NATION'S SOUTHERN BORDER? THE VERY QUESTION POSED THIS 233 00:09:02,342 --> 00:09:04,776 THE VERY QUESTION POSED THIS WEEK IN FRONT OF A HOUSE 234 00:09:04,778 --> 00:09:06,044 WEEK IN FRONT OF A HOUSE CONGRESSIONAL PANEL. 235 00:09:06,046 --> 00:09:08,547 CONGRESSIONAL PANEL. SYLVIA LONGMEYER WROTE A BOOK 236 00:09:08,549 --> 00:09:13,051 SYLVIA LONGMEYER WROTE A BOOK FIGHTED "BORDER INSECURITY" AND 237 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:14,252 FIGHTED "BORDER INSECURITY" AND SHE SAID TERRORISTS SNEAKING IN 238 00:09:14,254 --> 00:09:16,688 SHE SAID TERRORISTS SNEAKING IN THROUGH THE U.S./MEXICO BOARD 239 00:09:16,690 --> 00:09:18,156 THROUGH THE U.S./MEXICO BOARD CERTIFICATE HIGHLY UNLIKELY. 240 00:09:18,158 --> 00:09:19,891 CERTIFICATE HIGHLY UNLIKELY. >> IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN ANY 241 00:09:19,893 --> 00:09:22,327 >> IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN ANY TIME YOU SEE 5,000 PEOPLE WHO 242 00:09:22,329 --> 00:09:23,361 TIME YOU SEE 5,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING ACROSS WITHOUT 243 00:09:23,363 --> 00:09:25,630 ARE COMING ACROSS WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT, WHO KNOWS HOW 244 00:09:25,632 --> 00:09:26,932 GETTING CAUGHT, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY MORE ARE COMING ACROSS AND 245 00:09:26,934 --> 00:09:27,999 MANY MORE ARE COMING ACROSS AND NOT GETTING CAUGHT. 246 00:09:28,001 --> 00:09:29,334 NOT GETTING CAUGHT. YOU SAY IF YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE 247 00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:31,503 YOU SAY IF YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE FOLKS FROM MEXICO AND CENTRAL 248 00:09:31,505 --> 00:09:32,971 FOLKS FROM MEXICO AND CENTRAL AMERICA COMING THROUGH, WHAT'S 249 00:09:32,973 --> 00:09:34,973 AMERICA COMING THROUGH, WHAT'S TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM THE MIDDLE 250 00:09:34,975 --> 00:09:36,474 TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM THE MIDDLE EAST FROM COMING ACROSS? 251 00:09:36,476 --> 00:09:37,409 EAST FROM COMING ACROSS? IT'S ALL ABOUT INTENTION AND 252 00:09:37,411 --> 00:09:39,377 IT'S ALL ABOUT INTENTION AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE LOGISTICS AND 253 00:09:39,379 --> 00:09:41,212 IT'S ALL ABOUT THE LOGISTICS AND WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS WOULD BE 254 00:09:41,214 --> 00:09:43,014 WHAT THE REPERCUSSIONS WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY WERE TO GET CAUGHT 255 00:09:43,016 --> 00:09:43,448 IF SOMEBODY WERE TO GET CAUGHT DOING THAT. 256 00:09:43,450 --> 00:09:45,083 DOING THAT. EITHER BY THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT 257 00:09:45,085 --> 00:09:46,618 EITHER BY THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT OR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. 258 00:09:46,620 --> 00:09:49,421 OR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. IT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY, BUT 259 00:09:49,423 --> 00:09:51,222 IT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY, BUT FOR MANY COMPLEX REASONS, I 260 00:09:51,224 --> 00:09:52,524 FOR MANY COMPLEX REASONS, I REALLY DON'T THINK THEY'RE 261 00:09:52,526 --> 00:09:53,692 REALLY DON'T THINK THEY'RE COMING THROUGH MEXICO TO THE 262 00:09:53,694 --> 00:09:54,392 COMING THROUGH MEXICO TO THE UNITED STATES THAT WAY RIGHT 263 00:09:54,394 --> 00:09:55,594 UNITED STATES THAT WAY RIGHT NOW. 264 00:09:55,596 --> 00:09:57,195 NOW. >> BUT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE 265 00:09:57,197 --> 00:09:58,697 >> BUT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR MAYBE THE CARTELS 266 00:09:58,699 --> 00:09:59,998 SAID FOR MAYBE THE CARTELS LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, IF 267 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,033 LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, IF WE CAN GET THE MOMS AND DADS AND 268 00:10:02,035 --> 00:10:03,234 WE CAN GET THE MOMS AND DADS AND THE CHILDREN COMING THROUGH THE 269 00:10:03,236 --> 00:10:04,803 THE CHILDREN COMING THROUGH THE BORDER, WHY NOT GET A HIGH LEVEL 270 00:10:04,805 --> 00:10:06,071 BORDER, WHY NOT GET A HIGH LEVEL TERRORIST WHO WANTS TO COME IN 271 00:10:06,073 --> 00:10:07,672 TERRORIST WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND INFILTRATE THE COUNTRY. 272 00:10:07,674 --> 00:10:10,842 AND INFILTRATE THE COUNTRY. >> SURE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 273 00:10:10,844 --> 00:10:12,143 >> SURE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CERTAIN HUMAN SMUGGLING RINGS 274 00:10:12,145 --> 00:10:14,012 CERTAIN HUMAN SMUGGLING RINGS THAT SPECIALIZE IN WHAT 275 00:10:14,014 --> 00:10:15,447 THAT SPECIALIZE IN WHAT DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY 276 00:10:15,449 --> 00:10:17,549 DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY AT LEAST USED TO CALL SPECIAL 277 00:10:17,551 --> 00:10:18,450 AT LEAST USED TO CALL SPECIAL INTEREST RAIL YENS. 278 00:10:18,452 --> 00:10:20,218 INTEREST RAIL YENS. INDIVIDUALS THAT COME FROM 279 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:22,187 INDIVIDUALS THAT COME FROM ROUGHLY 30-32 COUNTRIES THAT ARE 280 00:10:22,189 --> 00:10:23,555 ROUGHLY 30-32 COUNTRIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED IN SOME WAYS WITH 281 00:10:23,557 --> 00:10:23,922 ASSOCIATED IN SOME WAYS WITH TERRORISM. 282 00:10:23,924 --> 00:10:25,290 TERRORISM. WHETHER IT'S SYRIA, IRAQ, ET 283 00:10:25,292 --> 00:10:25,624 WHETHER IT'S SYRIA, IRAQ, ET CETERA. 284 00:10:25,626 --> 00:10:27,158 CETERA. AND THEY CHARGE A CONSIDERABLE 285 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,593 AND THEY CHARGE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MOVE THESE 286 00:10:28,595 --> 00:10:30,362 AMOUNT OF MONEY TO MOVE THESE PEOPLE INTO THE UNITED STATES. 287 00:10:30,364 --> 00:10:32,330 PEOPLE INTO THE UNITED STATES. HOWEVER, IF A MEXICAN DRUG 288 00:10:32,332 --> 00:10:35,266 HOWEVER, IF A MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL WERE EVER TO BE 289 00:10:35,268 --> 00:10:37,068 CARTEL WERE EVER TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH HARD EVIDENCE, 290 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:38,336 ASSOCIATED WITH HARD EVIDENCE, WITH A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, 291 00:10:38,338 --> 00:10:40,605 WITH A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, THERE IS NO FASTER WAY TO SHUT 292 00:10:40,607 --> 00:10:43,208 THERE IS NO FASTER WAY TO SHUT DOWN A DRUG SMUGGLING OR HUMAN 293 00:10:43,210 --> 00:10:44,109 DOWN A DRUG SMUGGLING OR HUMAN SMUGGLING ORGANIZATION, NO 294 00:10:44,111 --> 00:10:46,811 SMUGGLING ORGANIZATION, NO FASTER WAY TO SHUT DOWN 295 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:48,413 FASTER WAY TO SHUT DOWN CROSS-BORDER TRADE OR 296 00:10:48,415 --> 00:10:49,381 CROSS-BORDER TRADE OR CROSS-BORDER FLOW. 297 00:10:49,383 --> 00:10:51,916 CROSS-BORDER FLOW. THAT BOTH NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE 298 00:10:51,918 --> 00:10:55,320 THAT BOTH NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE PROFITS OF DRUG CARTELS AND IT 299 00:10:55,322 --> 00:10:57,022 PROFITS OF DRUG CARTELS AND IT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE MEXICAN 300 00:10:57,024 --> 00:10:59,124 NEGATIVELY IMPACTS THE MEXICAN ECONOMY, SO IT'S NOT IN THE BEST 301 00:10:59,126 --> 00:11:00,392 ECONOMY, SO IT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CARTELS TO 302 00:11:00,394 --> 00:11:01,259 INTERESTS OF THE CARTELS TO ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF 303 00:11:01,261 --> 00:11:02,861 ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THE REPERCUSSIONS AND MIGHT EVEN 304 00:11:02,863 --> 00:11:04,562 THE REPERCUSSIONS AND MIGHT EVEN OPEN THE DOOR TO THE MEXICAN 305 00:11:04,564 --> 00:11:05,363 OPEN THE DOOR TO THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT ASKING THE U.S. 306 00:11:05,365 --> 00:11:06,665 GOVERNMENT ASKING THE U.S. MILITARY TO COME IN AN 307 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:07,032 MILITARY TO COME IN AN INTERFERE. 308 00:11:07,034 --> 00:11:08,633 INTERFERE. >> YOU TALK ABOUT THAT 309 00:11:08,635 --> 00:11:09,501 >> YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT IN YOUR 310 00:11:09,503 --> 00:11:09,801 ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT IN YOUR BOOK. 311 00:11:09,803 --> 00:11:12,370 BOOK. AND YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT MAYBE 312 00:11:12,372 --> 00:11:15,540 AND YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT MAYBE PRAYER RUGS AND CONNECTIONS TO 313 00:11:15,542 --> 00:11:15,907 PRAYER RUGS AND CONNECTIONS TO HEZBOLLAH. 314 00:11:15,909 --> 00:11:18,777 HEZBOLLAH. HOW MUCH TRUTH IS THAT TO THAT 315 00:11:18,779 --> 00:11:20,211 HOW MUCH TRUTH IS THAT TO THAT PARAPHERNALIA ALONG THE BORDER. 316 00:11:20,213 --> 00:11:22,847 PARAPHERNALIA ALONG THE BORDER. GO WE HAVE A LOT OF RANCHERS WHO 317 00:11:22,849 --> 00:11:25,617 GO WE HAVE A LOT OF RANCHERS WHO LIVE ALONG THE BORDER. 318 00:11:25,619 --> 00:11:28,787 LIVE ALONG THE BORDER. GOOD CHUNK OF THE TEXAS/MEXICO 319 00:11:28,789 --> 00:11:29,154 GOOD CHUNK OF THE TEXAS/MEXICO BORDER. 320 00:11:29,156 --> 00:11:30,455 BORDER. EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY MAKE 321 00:11:30,457 --> 00:11:31,756 EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY MAKE REPORTS THAT THEY'RE FINDING 322 00:11:31,758 --> 00:11:32,957 REPORTS THAT THEY'RE FINDING CRAYONS OR OTHER BOOKS IN 323 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:33,925 CRAYONS OR OTHER BOOKS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGES FROM THE 324 00:11:33,927 --> 00:11:35,026 FOREIGN LANGUAGES FROM THE MIDDLE EAST AND WHAT THEY SAY 325 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:35,927 MIDDLE EAST AND WHAT THEY SAY ARE PRAYER RUGS. 326 00:11:35,929 --> 00:11:37,796 ARE PRAYER RUGS. PRAYER RUGS HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC 327 00:11:37,798 --> 00:11:39,397 PRAYER RUGS HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC LOOK TO THEM. 328 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,366 LOOK TO THEM. BUT ANY MUSLIM CAN USE ANY KIND 329 00:11:41,368 --> 00:11:43,601 BUT ANY MUSLIM CAN USE ANY KIND OF RUG IN A PINCH TO DO THEIR 330 00:11:43,603 --> 00:11:44,636 OF RUG IN A PINCH TO DO THEIR DAILY PRAYERS. 331 00:11:44,638 --> 00:11:46,204 DAILY PRAYERS. SO FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT 332 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:47,872 SO FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE ISLAMIC FAITH 333 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:49,207 FAMILIAR WITH THE ISLAMIC FAITH AND WHAT THE RITUALS AND 334 00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:51,076 AND WHAT THE RITUALS AND EVERYTHING ARE, TO JUST SAY HEY, 335 00:11:51,078 --> 00:11:52,444 EVERYTHING ARE, TO JUST SAY HEY, I FOUND THIS RUG IN THE DESERT 336 00:11:52,446 --> 00:11:54,045 I FOUND THIS RUG IN THE DESERT AND THIS IS A PRAYER RUG, 337 00:11:54,047 --> 00:11:55,714 AND THIS IS A PRAYER RUG, SOMETIMES CAN BE A REAL STRETCH. 338 00:11:55,716 --> 00:11:56,881 SOMETIMES CAN BE A REAL STRETCH. LOOKING BACK ON SOME OF THE 339 00:11:56,883 --> 00:11:58,683 LOOKING BACK ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, PATCHES, THEY SAY 340 00:11:58,685 --> 00:12:00,719 OTHER THINGS, PATCHES, THEY SAY IT'S AEN AIRPLANE FLYING INTO 341 00:12:00,721 --> 00:12:02,220 IT'S AEN AIRPLANE FLYING INTO THE TWIN TOWERS AND FURTHER 342 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:05,123 THE TWIN TOWERS AND FURTHER RESEARCH SHOWED IT BELONGED TO A 343 00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:06,057 RESEARCH SHOWED IT BELONGED TO A JANITORIAL COMPANY AND IT HAD 344 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:07,992 JANITORIAL COMPANY AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AN AIRPLANE 345 00:12:07,994 --> 00:12:08,893 NOTHING TO DO WITH AN AIRPLANE GOING INTO THE TWIN TOWERS. 346 00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:10,662 GOING INTO THE TWIN TOWERS. SO IT'S EASY TO FIND SOMETHING 347 00:12:10,664 --> 00:12:12,130 SO IT'S EASY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT LOOKS FOREIGN OR STRANGE IN 348 00:12:12,132 --> 00:12:13,932 THAT LOOKS FOREIGN OR STRANGE IN THE DESERT AND SAY THIS IS 349 00:12:13,934 --> 00:12:15,333 THE DESERT AND SAY THIS IS ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE 350 00:12:15,335 --> 00:12:16,034 ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE MUSLIM TERRORISTS COMING INTO 351 00:12:16,036 --> 00:12:17,368 MUSLIM TERRORISTS COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES. 352 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:19,003 THE UNITED STATES. WE DO HAVE MUSLIMS THAT 353 00:12:19,005 --> 00:12:19,971 WE DO HAVE MUSLIMS THAT OCCASIONALLY ILLEGALLY COME TO 354 00:12:19,973 --> 00:12:21,439 OCCASIONALLY ILLEGALLY COME TO THE UNITED STATES FOR DIFFERENT 355 00:12:21,441 --> 00:12:21,773 THE UNITED STATES FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. 356 00:12:21,775 --> 00:12:24,109 REASONS. BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT AN 357 00:12:24,111 --> 00:12:25,343 BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT AN OPERATIONAL TERRORIST HAS EVER 358 00:12:25,345 --> 00:12:26,878 OPERATIONAL TERRORIST HAS EVER ENTERED THE UNITED STATES COMING 359 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,413 ENTERED THE UNITED STATES COMING THROUGH THE BORDER. 360 00:12:28,415 --> 00:12:30,315 THROUGH THE BORDER. SO SOMETIMES IT'S COINCIDENTAL. 361 00:12:30,317 --> 00:12:32,317 SO SOMETIMES IT'S COINCIDENTAL. IT CAN'T ALWAYS BE DISCOUNTED. 362 00:12:32,319 --> 00:12:34,085 IT CAN'T ALWAYS BE DISCOUNTED. BUT RIGHT NOW THAT QUOTE-UNQUOTE 363 00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:36,287 BUT RIGHT NOW THAT QUOTE-UNQUOTE EVIDENCE IS JUST NOT, IT'S JUST 364 00:12:36,289 --> 00:12:37,856 EVIDENCE IS JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT HEAVY ENOUGH TO SHOW 365 00:12:37,858 --> 00:12:38,656 NOT HEAVY ENOUGH TO SHOW ANYTHING DEFINITIVE. 366 00:12:38,658 --> 00:12:40,391 ANYTHING DEFINITIVE. >> IN YOUR RESEARCH, DO YOU FIND 367 00:12:40,393 --> 00:12:42,660 >> IN YOUR RESEARCH, DO YOU FIND THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ALWAYS 368 00:12:42,662 --> 00:12:43,895 THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ALWAYS KEEPING ON THEIR TOES WHEN IT 369 00:12:43,897 --> 00:12:45,797 KEEPING ON THEIR TOES WHEN IT COMES TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT 370 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:47,132 COMES TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT COULD HAPPEN THROUGH OUR 371 00:12:47,134 --> 00:12:47,866 COULD HAPPEN THROUGH OUR SOUTHERN BOARD CENTRE. 372 00:12:47,868 --> 00:12:49,634 SOUTHERN BOARD CENTRE. >> OF COURSE. 373 00:12:49,636 --> 00:12:51,336 >> OF COURSE. ESPECIALLY SINCE 9/11, LAW 374 00:12:51,338 --> 00:12:52,270 ESPECIALLY SINCE 9/11, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE 375 00:12:52,272 --> 00:12:53,705 ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE DEDICATED NOT ONLY TO STOPPING 376 00:12:53,707 --> 00:12:54,506 DEDICATED NOT ONLY TO STOPPING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 377 00:12:54,508 --> 00:12:56,941 CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. BUT THEY'RE REALLY DIALED INTO 378 00:12:56,943 --> 00:13:00,712 BUT THEY'RE REALLY DIALED INTO TASK FORCES AND THE STATE FUSION 379 00:13:00,714 --> 00:13:02,113 TASK FORCES AND THE STATE FUSION CENTERS TO KEEP AN EAR TO THE 380 00:13:02,115 --> 00:13:03,014 CENTERS TO KEEP AN EAR TO THE GROUND FOR ANY POSSIBLE 381 00:13:03,016 --> 00:13:03,882 GROUND FOR ANY POSSIBLE TERRORIST ACTIVITIES. 382 00:13:03,884 --> 00:13:05,984 TERRORIST ACTIVITIES. SO BASED ON INTELLIGENCE COMING 383 00:13:05,986 --> 00:13:07,452 SO BASED ON INTELLIGENCE COMING IN, THEY'RE LEARNING IF THERE'S 384 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:09,254 IN, THEY'RE LEARNING IF THERE'S ANY CHATTER OR ANY TRAFFIC THAT 385 00:13:09,256 --> 00:13:11,523 ANY CHATTER OR ANY TRAFFIC THAT COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT THEIR 386 00:13:11,525 --> 00:13:13,024 COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT THEIR COMMUNITIES, THEIR COUNTY, 387 00:13:13,026 --> 00:13:14,025 COMMUNITIES, THEIR COUNTY, WHATEVER AGENCY IT IS THAT THEY 388 00:13:14,027 --> 00:13:15,627 WHATEVER AGENCY IT IS THAT THEY WORK TO. 389 00:13:15,629 --> 00:13:17,729 WORK TO. SO, YES, THEY'RE DEFINITELY 390 00:13:17,731 --> 00:13:18,563 SO, YES, THEY'RE DEFINITELY ATTUNED TO THE FACT. 391 00:13:18,565 --> 00:13:19,697 ATTUNED TO THE FACT. THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 392 00:13:19,699 --> 00:13:20,832 THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY AND THEY'RE ALSO 393 00:13:20,834 --> 00:13:22,167 POSSIBILITY AND THEY'RE ALSO INVOLVED IN MITIGATING ANY KIND 394 00:13:22,169 --> 00:13:23,635 INVOLVED IN MITIGATING ANY KIND OF TERRORIST ACTIVITY IN THEIR 395 00:13:23,637 --> 00:13:24,502 OF TERRORIST ACTIVITY IN THEIR AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY. 396 00:13:24,504 --> 00:13:26,704 AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY. >> SO IN MANY CASES THEY COME 397 00:13:26,706 --> 00:13:28,106 >> SO IN MANY CASES THEY COME THROUGH LEGITIMATELY? 398 00:13:28,108 --> 00:13:30,175 THROUGH LEGITIMATELY? >> OUT OF THE 36 OPERATIONAL 399 00:13:30,177 --> 00:13:31,142 >> OUT OF THE 36 OPERATIONAL TERRORISTS THAT HAVE BEEN 400 00:13:31,144 --> 00:13:32,443 TERRORISTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPREHENDED IN THE UNITED 401 00:13:32,445 --> 00:13:33,411 APPREHENDED IN THE UNITED STATES, SINCE 9/11 AND EVEN 402 00:13:33,413 --> 00:13:35,446 STATES, SINCE 9/11 AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, LIKE THE MILLENNIUM 403 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:36,714 BEFORE THAT, LIKE THE MILLENNIUM BOMBER WAS BEFORE THEN. 404 00:13:36,716 --> 00:13:39,384 BOMBER WAS BEFORE THEN. THE UNDERWEAR BOMBER. 405 00:13:39,386 --> 00:13:41,719 THE UNDERWEAR BOMBER. ALL OF THEM HAVE ENTERED THE 406 00:13:41,721 --> 00:13:42,654 ALL OF THEM HAVE ENTERED THE STATES THROUGH ANOTHER PORT OF 407 00:13:42,656 --> 00:13:42,954 STATES THROUGH ANOTHER PORT OF ENTRY. 408 00:13:42,956 --> 00:13:44,155 ENTRY. NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS COME 409 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:45,456 NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS COME THROUGH MEXICO. 410 00:13:45,458 --> 00:13:46,558 THROUGH MEXICO. THEY'VE EITHER ENTERED THROUGH 411 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:47,492 THEY'VE EITHER ENTERED THROUGH AIRPORTS OR COME THROUGH A 412 00:13:47,494 --> 00:13:49,360 AIRPORTS OR COME THROUGH A VEHICLE OR FERRY FROM CANADA. 413 00:13:49,362 --> 00:13:50,495 VEHICLE OR FERRY FROM CANADA. THEY'VE ALL HAD LEGITIMATE 414 00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:51,963 THEY'VE ALL HAD LEGITIMATE TRAVEL DOCUMENTS, SOME OF THE 415 00:13:51,965 --> 00:13:53,031 TRAVEL DOCUMENTS, SOME OF THE PASSPORTS WERE FRAUDULENT, BUT 416 00:13:53,033 --> 00:13:54,499 PASSPORTS WERE FRAUDULENT, BUT AT LEAST LOOKING AT IT, IT'S A 417 00:13:54,501 --> 00:13:56,334 AT LEAST LOOKING AT IT, IT'S A REAL PASSPORT AND THEY'RE USING 418 00:13:56,336 --> 00:13:57,268 REAL PASSPORT AND THEY'RE USING PLANE TICKETS. 419 00:13:57,270 --> 00:13:58,903 PLANE TICKETS. GROUPS LIKE AL QAEDA, HEZBOLLAH 420 00:13:58,905 --> 00:14:00,772 GROUPS LIKE AL QAEDA, HEZBOLLAH AND PERHAPS NOW ISIS AND WE'LL 421 00:14:00,774 --> 00:14:01,773 AND PERHAPS NOW ISIS AND WE'LL SEE THAT MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD, 422 00:14:01,775 --> 00:14:03,474 SEE THAT MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD, THAT WILL BE A BIGGER CONCERN. 423 00:14:03,476 --> 00:14:05,877 THAT WILL BE A BIGGER CONCERN. THEY INVEST A LOT OF MONEY IN 424 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:06,945 THEY INVEST A LOT OF MONEY IN THEIR OPERATIVES. 425 00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:09,948 THEIR OPERATIVES. THERE IS A HUGE RISK TO SEND 426 00:14:09,950 --> 00:14:11,583 THERE IS A HUGE RISK TO SEND SOMEBODY THROUGH A PLACE AS 427 00:14:11,585 --> 00:14:13,318 SOMEBODY THROUGH A PLACE AS DANGEROUS AS MEXICO AND RISK 428 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,886 DANGEROUS AS MEXICO AND RISK DEALING WITH VERY DEADLY DRUG 429 00:14:14,888 --> 00:14:16,387 DEALING WITH VERY DEADLY DRUG CARTELS AND POSSIBLY HAVING ONE 430 00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:17,622 CARTELS AND POSSIBLY HAVING ONE OF THESE OPERATIONAL TERRORISTS 431 00:14:17,624 --> 00:14:19,591 OF THESE OPERATIONAL TERRORISTS DIE IN THE DESERT. 432 00:14:19,593 --> 00:14:21,559 DIE IN THE DESERT. TERRORISTS GROUPS TAKE THE PATH 433 00:14:21,561 --> 00:14:23,361 TERRORISTS GROUPS TAKE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, AND LATELY 434 00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:25,630 OF LEAST RESISTANCE, AND LATELY IT'S BEEN TO TRAIN THEM AND 435 00:14:25,632 --> 00:14:27,999 IT'S BEEN TO TRAIN THEM AND RECRUIT PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLEAN 436 00:14:28,001 --> 00:14:28,666 RECRUIT PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLEAN BACKGROUNDS, SO THEY'RE NOT 437 00:14:28,668 --> 00:14:30,702 BACKGROUNDS, SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO POP UP ON SOME TYPE OF 438 00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:31,803 GOING TO POP UP ON SOME TYPE OF TERRORIST WATCH LIST. 439 00:14:31,805 --> 00:14:33,071 TERRORIST WATCH LIST. THEY CAN FLY INTO THE UNITED 440 00:14:33,073 --> 00:14:33,938 THEY CAN FLY INTO THE UNITED STATES WITHOUT ANY ISSUE. 441 00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:35,340 STATES WITHOUT ANY ISSUE. WHY GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE AND 442 00:14:35,342 --> 00:14:36,841 WHY GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE AND DANGER OF SENDING THEM THROUGH 443 00:14:36,843 --> 00:14:38,443 DANGER OF SENDING THEM THROUGH MEXICO WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY 444 00:14:38,445 --> 00:14:40,879 MEXICO WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER EASIER WAYS TO GET HERE. 445 00:14:40,881 --> 00:14:42,780 OTHER EASIER WAYS TO GET HERE. THAT'S ANOTHER ARGUMENT FOR WHY 446 00:14:42,782 --> 00:14:44,282 THAT'S ANOTHER ARGUMENT FOR WHY THEY WOULDN'T COME IN ACROSS THE 447 00:14:44,284 --> 00:14:45,149 THEY WOULDN'T COME IN ACROSS THE SOUTHERN BORDER. 448 00:14:45,151 --> 00:14:46,751 SOUTHERN BORDER. >> HOW DO YOU DEFINE TERROR? 449 00:14:46,753 --> 00:14:48,019 >> HOW DO YOU DEFINE TERROR? ONE FORMER POLICE OFFICER SAYS 450 00:14:48,021 --> 00:14:49,320 ONE FORMER POLICE OFFICER SAYS MASS SHOOTINGS CARRY THE SAME 451 00:14:49,322 --> 00:14:50,889 MASS SHOOTINGS CARRY THE SAME LEVEL OF TERROR AS WHAT HAPPENED 452 00:14:50,891 --> 00:14:51,723 LEVEL OF TERROR AS WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11. 453 00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:55,727 ON 9/11. HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH MICHAEL 454 00:14:55,729 --> 00:14:57,695 HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH MICHAEL WIDMER, A FORMER POLICE SERGEANT 455 00:14:57,697 --> 00:15:00,031 WIDMER, A FORMER POLICE SERGEANT WHO AUTHORED A BOOK ENTITLED 456 00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:00,498 WHO AUTHORED A BOOK ENTITLED "INTERVENTION." 457 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,901 "INTERVENTION." >> I BELIEVE IT IS AN EPIDEMIC. 458 00:15:02,903 --> 00:15:04,102 >> I BELIEVE IT IS AN EPIDEMIC. I BELIEVE IT'S COME TO THE 459 00:15:04,104 --> 00:15:05,069 I BELIEVE IT'S COME TO THE PROPORTIONS WHERE IT CAN'T BE 460 00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:05,870 PROPORTIONS WHERE IT CAN'T BE MEASURED ANY MORE. 461 00:15:05,872 --> 00:15:08,006 MEASURED ANY MORE. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF 462 00:15:08,008 --> 00:15:08,940 BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF PREDICTING IT. 463 00:15:08,942 --> 00:15:11,009 PREDICTING IT. THE FICTIONAL STORY TELLS WHAT 464 00:15:11,011 --> 00:15:13,244 THE FICTIONAL STORY TELLS WHAT SOME PEOPLE WISH WOULD HAPPEN. 465 00:15:13,246 --> 00:15:14,412 SOME PEOPLE WISH WOULD HAPPEN. WHICH IS THERE'S SOME MAGICAL 466 00:15:14,414 --> 00:15:16,014 WHICH IS THERE'S SOME MAGICAL WAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE A SYSTEM 467 00:15:16,016 --> 00:15:17,148 WAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE A SYSTEM THAT DETERMINE WHO IS IS GOING 468 00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:17,882 THAT DETERMINE WHO IS IS GOING TO DO THESE THINGS. 469 00:15:17,884 --> 00:15:18,983 TO DO THESE THINGS. AND THEN YOU GO AFTER THEM 470 00:15:18,985 --> 00:15:21,386 AND THEN YOU GO AFTER THEM BEFORE THEY DO IT. 471 00:15:21,388 --> 00:15:22,654 BEFORE THEY DO IT. THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. 472 00:15:22,656 --> 00:15:24,255 THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. THE FICTIONAL STORY IS DESIGNED 473 00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:25,390 THE FICTIONAL STORY IS DESIGNED TO ENTERTAIN YOU AND MAKE YOU 474 00:15:25,392 --> 00:15:26,925 TO ENTERTAIN YOU AND MAKE YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DONE 475 00:15:26,927 --> 00:15:28,126 THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DONE IN THE FUTURE TO MAYBE PREVENT 476 00:15:28,128 --> 00:15:28,826 IN THE FUTURE TO MAYBE PREVENT SOME OF THESE THINGS. 477 00:15:28,828 --> 00:15:31,095 SOME OF THESE THINGS. >> AND IN THE BOOK, IT'S REALLY 478 00:15:31,097 --> 00:15:33,998 >> AND IN THE BOOK, IT'S REALLY KIND OF SET ON A NATIONAL SCALE. 479 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,066 KIND OF SET ON A NATIONAL SCALE. WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED, 480 00:15:35,068 --> 00:15:37,302 WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS INVOLVED, HE'S AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. 481 00:15:37,304 --> 00:15:38,803 HE'S AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. BUT THAT THE PRESIDENT KNOWS AND 482 00:15:38,805 --> 00:15:41,739 BUT THAT THE PRESIDENT KNOWS AND IT'S ON A LOCAL LEVEL, THESE 483 00:15:41,741 --> 00:15:42,874 IT'S ON A LOCAL LEVEL, THESE INCIDENTS KEEP HAPPENING AND THE 484 00:15:42,876 --> 00:15:44,842 INCIDENTS KEEP HAPPENING AND THE TEAM GOES INTO ELIMINATE THE 485 00:15:44,844 --> 00:15:47,979 TEAM GOES INTO ELIMINATE THE THREAT, I THINK IS HOW MAYBE HE 486 00:15:47,981 --> 00:15:48,680 THREAT, I THINK IS HOW MAYBE HE PUT IT. 487 00:15:48,682 --> 00:15:50,148 PUT IT. THIS IS NOT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO 488 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:50,448 THIS IS NOT EASY FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR. 489 00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:51,983 HEAR. THAT THE MOMENT YOU KNOW SOMEONE 490 00:15:51,985 --> 00:15:53,318 THAT THE MOMENT YOU KNOW SOMEONE IS GOING TO ACT, YOU STOP THEM 491 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:53,985 IS GOING TO ACT, YOU STOP THEM BEFORE THEY DO IT. 492 00:15:53,987 --> 00:15:55,520 BEFORE THEY DO IT. >> IF YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT 493 00:15:55,522 --> 00:15:58,556 >> IF YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT IT, WE'VE NEVER BEEN CONFRONTED 494 00:15:58,558 --> 00:15:59,991 IT, WE'VE NEVER BEEN CONFRONTED WITH IT AT THIS LEVEL BEFORE. 495 00:15:59,993 --> 00:16:01,092 WITH IT AT THIS LEVEL BEFORE. FOR YEARS IN THE PAST, PEOPLE 496 00:16:01,094 --> 00:16:02,760 FOR YEARS IN THE PAST, PEOPLE HAD TO FACE THE POSSIBILITY THAT 497 00:16:02,762 --> 00:16:04,562 HAD TO FACE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE MASS 498 00:16:04,564 --> 00:16:05,630 THERE WAS GOING TO BE MASS SHOOTINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO 499 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:07,298 SHOOTINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO DIE, THEY WANT TO KILL 500 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:08,433 DIE, THEY WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES, IN CERTAIN 501 00:16:08,435 --> 00:16:09,167 THEMSELVES, IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, THEY HAVE BAD TIMES 502 00:16:09,169 --> 00:16:09,801 SITUATIONS, THEY HAVE BAD TIMES IN THEIR LIFE. 503 00:16:09,803 --> 00:16:11,402 IN THEIR LIFE. NOW IT'S TO THE PLACE WHERE IT'S 504 00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:14,038 NOW IT'S TO THE PLACE WHERE IT'S BECOME WHEN YOU USE THE WORD 505 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:14,973 BECOME WHEN YOU USE THE WORD EPIDEMIC, A CULT. 506 00:16:14,975 --> 00:16:16,441 EPIDEMIC, A CULT. SO WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO TALK 507 00:16:16,443 --> 00:16:17,976 SO WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT, IT'S DIFFICULT, 508 00:16:17,978 --> 00:16:18,943 ABOUT IT, IT'S DIFFICULT, BECAUSE NOBODY HAS PUT THEIR 509 00:16:18,945 --> 00:16:22,747 BECAUSE NOBODY HAS PUT THEIR HAND ON THE WAY TO FIX THIS. 510 00:16:22,749 --> 00:16:24,515 HAND ON THE WAY TO FIX THIS. SO IT LEAVES IT WIDE OPEN TO 511 00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:24,916 SO IT LEAVES IT WIDE OPEN TO SPECULATION. 512 00:16:24,918 --> 00:16:26,884 SPECULATION. YOU AND I DISCUSSED EARLIER. 513 00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:27,885 YOU AND I DISCUSSED EARLIER. SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE 514 00:16:27,887 --> 00:16:28,920 SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY. 515 00:16:28,922 --> 00:16:32,090 GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY. I CAN TELL THAW IT'S STILL NOT 516 00:16:32,092 --> 00:16:33,424 I CAN TELL THAW IT'S STILL NOT UNDER CONTROL, IT'S NOT GOING TO 517 00:16:33,426 --> 00:16:34,726 UNDER CONTROL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE UNDER CONTROL UNTIL PEOPLE 518 00:16:34,728 --> 00:16:35,994 BE UNDER CONTROL UNTIL PEOPLE TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN 519 00:16:35,996 --> 00:16:36,394 TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR OWN ENVIRONMENT? 520 00:16:36,396 --> 00:16:37,395 ENVIRONMENT? >> AT THE END OF THE BOOK YOU 521 00:16:37,397 --> 00:16:39,364 >> AT THE END OF THE BOOK YOU PROVIDE SOME RESOURCES OR IDEAS 522 00:16:39,366 --> 00:16:41,165 PROVIDE SOME RESOURCES OR IDEAS FOR SCHOOLS TO REALLY LOOK AT 523 00:16:41,167 --> 00:16:43,434 FOR SCHOOLS TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW THEY MANAGE SECURITY. 524 00:16:43,436 --> 00:16:44,569 HOW THEY MANAGE SECURITY. WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS 525 00:16:44,571 --> 00:16:46,070 WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS THAT YOU THINK COULD GO A LONG 526 00:16:46,072 --> 00:16:46,337 THAT YOU THINK COULD GO A LONG WAY. 527 00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:48,139 WAY. SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE NOT 528 00:16:48,141 --> 00:16:48,973 SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE NOT AFFORDABLE, THEY'RE NOT 529 00:16:48,975 --> 00:16:49,340 AFFORDABLE, THEY'RE NOT REALISTIC. 530 00:16:49,342 --> 00:16:51,042 REALISTIC. THEY ARE IDEAS AND MAYBE IN YOUR 531 00:16:51,044 --> 00:16:52,710 THEY ARE IDEAS AND MAYBE IN YOUR OPINION, STEPS IN THE RIGHT 532 00:16:52,712 --> 00:16:53,111 OPINION, STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 533 00:16:53,113 --> 00:16:55,113 DIRECTION. >> SO IN THE BOOK I PUT IN THAT 534 00:16:55,115 --> 00:17:01,686 >> SO IN THE BOOK I PUT IN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FIRST AN 535 00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:03,121 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FIRST AN INTELLIGIBLE CAMERA SYSTEM TO BE 536 00:17:03,123 --> 00:17:04,422 INTELLIGIBLE CAMERA SYSTEM TO BE MONITORED DURING THE DAY. 537 00:17:04,424 --> 00:17:05,723 MONITORED DURING THE DAY. TO GIVE WARNING OF SOMEBODY 538 00:17:05,725 --> 00:17:06,491 TO GIVE WARNING OF SOMEBODY APPROACHING THE SCHOOL. 539 00:17:06,493 --> 00:17:09,027 APPROACHING THE SCHOOL. NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, THE 540 00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:11,095 NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, THE PERPETRATORS OF THESE CRIMES GET 541 00:17:11,097 --> 00:17:13,364 PERPETRATORS OF THESE CRIMES GET OUT OF THESE CARS, PULL A MASK 542 00:17:13,366 --> 00:17:15,500 OUT OF THESE CARS, PULL A MASK OUT OF THEIR FACE AND GET A 543 00:17:15,502 --> 00:17:16,801 OUT OF THEIR FACE AND GET A RIFLE OR GUN AND WALK RIGHT UP 544 00:17:16,803 --> 00:17:17,802 RIFLE OR GUN AND WALK RIGHT UP TO THE SCHOOL. 545 00:17:17,804 --> 00:17:19,370 TO THE SCHOOL. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP, IS TO BE 546 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:20,271 THAT'S THE FIRST STEP, IS TO BE ABLE TO SPOT IT. 547 00:17:20,273 --> 00:17:22,340 ABLE TO SPOT IT. THE SECOND STEP IS TO BE ABLE TO 548 00:17:22,342 --> 00:17:24,142 THE SECOND STEP IS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GETTING IN LONG 549 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:25,777 KEEP PEOPLE FROM GETTING IN LONG ENOUGH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO 550 00:17:25,779 --> 00:17:26,444 ENOUGH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GET THERE. 551 00:17:26,446 --> 00:17:28,079 GET THERE. THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE 552 00:17:28,081 --> 00:17:29,414 THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE RETROFITTING SOME OLD SCHOOLS, 553 00:17:29,416 --> 00:17:31,849 RETROFITTING SOME OLD SCHOOLS, CHANGING SOME OF THE 554 00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:33,551 CHANGING SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND MAKING NEW 555 00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:34,685 CONSTRUCTION AND MAKING NEW SCHOOLS COMPLETELY STOCKED WITH 556 00:17:34,687 --> 00:17:36,721 SCHOOLS COMPLETELY STOCKED WITH THE KIND OF THINGS THAT KEEP 557 00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:37,188 THE KIND OF THINGS THAT KEEP PEOPLE OUT. 558 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:38,656 PEOPLE OUT. ONCE YOU KEEP THEM OUT, YOU NEED 559 00:17:38,658 --> 00:17:41,325 ONCE YOU KEEP THEM OUT, YOU NEED A WAY TO KEEP THEM OUT IF THEY 560 00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:41,759 A WAY TO KEEP THEM OUT IF THEY PERSIST. 561 00:17:41,761 --> 00:17:43,828 PERSIST. THAT MAY INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT 562 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:47,899 THAT MAY INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING PROGRAM WITH LOCAL LAW 563 00:17:47,901 --> 00:17:48,299 TRAINING PROGRAM WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. 564 00:17:48,301 --> 00:17:50,134 ENFORCEMENT. AND TEACH THEM HOW TO ACTUALLY 565 00:17:50,136 --> 00:17:51,803 AND TEACH THEM HOW TO ACTUALLY USE ASSAULT RIFLES AND HAVE THEM 566 00:17:51,805 --> 00:17:54,739 USE ASSAULT RIFLES AND HAVE THEM AVAILABLE FOR THEM ON CAMPUS. 567 00:17:54,741 --> 00:17:56,107 AVAILABLE FOR THEM ON CAMPUS. THEY DON'T NEED IT CARRY THEM 568 00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:56,941 THEY DON'T NEED IT CARRY THEM AROUND THE CLASSROOM. 569 00:17:56,943 --> 00:17:58,976 AROUND THE CLASSROOM. THAT'S RIDICULOUS, NOBODY CAN 570 00:17:58,978 --> 00:18:00,278 THAT'S RIDICULOUS, NOBODY CAN CARE RAY GUN IN CLASS, THAT'S 571 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,179 CARE RAY GUN IN CLASS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. 572 00:18:01,181 --> 00:18:02,780 NOT GOING TO WORK. FOR THE MOST PART, THEY NEED TO 573 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:04,882 FOR THE MOST PART, THEY NEED TO TAKE A LESSON, LEARN HOW TO USE 574 00:18:04,884 --> 00:18:06,984 TAKE A LESSON, LEARN HOW TO USE THE GUN AND BE ABLE TO RESIST 575 00:18:06,986 --> 00:18:08,653 THE GUN AND BE ABLE TO RESIST LONG ENOUGH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT 576 00:18:08,655 --> 00:18:09,387 LONG ENOUGH FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GET THERE. 577 00:18:09,389 --> 00:18:10,688 TO GET THERE. THEN THE SCENE HAS TO BE TURNED 578 00:18:10,690 --> 00:18:14,058 THEN THE SCENE HAS TO BE TURNED BACK OVER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. 579 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:15,626 BACK OVER TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. THEN IT HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED 580 00:18:15,628 --> 00:18:17,361 THEN IT HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED TO A REASONABLE DEGREE. 581 00:18:17,363 --> 00:18:18,930 TO A REASONABLE DEGREE. THE LONG-TERM EXPENSIVE 582 00:18:18,932 --> 00:18:19,797 THE LONG-TERM EXPENSIVE INVESTIGATIONS, ALL THAT MONEY 583 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:21,833 INVESTIGATIONS, ALL THAT MONEY COULD BE USED TO HELP SCHOOLS 584 00:18:21,835 --> 00:18:23,134 COULD BE USED TO HELP SCHOOLS SHORE UP THEIR SECURITY SYSTEMS 585 00:18:23,136 --> 00:18:25,336 SHORE UP THEIR SECURITY SYSTEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 586 00:18:25,338 --> 00:18:26,270 ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THAT'S BASICALLY IT. 587 00:18:26,272 --> 00:18:27,872 THAT'S BASICALLY IT. THERE'S SOME BARRIER THINGS THAT 588 00:18:27,874 --> 00:18:29,874 THERE'S SOME BARRIER THINGS THAT GO UP TO KEEP VEHICLES AWAY. 589 00:18:29,876 --> 00:18:30,808 GO UP TO KEEP VEHICLES AWAY. THERE'S SOME CONSTRUCTION 590 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:32,310 THERE'S SOME CONSTRUCTION CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK, I'M 591 00:18:32,312 --> 00:18:34,045 CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK, I'M NOT SAYING I'M A CONSTRUCTION 592 00:18:34,047 --> 00:18:36,314 NOT SAYING I'M A CONSTRUCTION EXPERT OR ANYTHING. 593 00:18:36,316 --> 00:18:39,083 EXPERT OR ANYTHING. BUT I LOOKED AT IT ON THE 594 00:18:39,085 --> 00:18:39,617 BUT I LOOKED AT IT ON THE COMMON-SENSE SIDE. 595 00:18:39,619 --> 00:18:41,586 COMMON-SENSE SIDE. THIS HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET. 596 00:18:41,588 --> 00:18:42,787 THIS HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET. IT'S NOT WORKED ANYWHERE THAT 597 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:43,421 IT'S NOT WORKED ANYWHERE THAT I'VE SEEN. 598 00:18:43,423 --> 00:18:45,223 I'VE SEEN. AND EVEN ONE OF THE MORE 599 00:18:45,225 --> 00:18:46,791 AND EVEN ONE OF THE MORE PREDOMINANT ONES THAT HAPPEN, 600 00:18:46,793 --> 00:18:49,594 PREDOMINANT ONES THAT HAPPEN, ACTUALLY CHANGED TO WHERE THE 601 00:18:49,596 --> 00:18:50,595 ACTUALLY CHANGED TO WHERE THE DOORS WERE LOCKED ALL DAY LONG. 602 00:18:50,597 --> 00:18:52,263 DOORS WERE LOCKED ALL DAY LONG. BUT THEN THE PERPETRATOR SHOT 603 00:18:52,265 --> 00:18:54,899 BUT THEN THE PERPETRATOR SHOT HIS WAY THROUGH THE GLASS. 604 00:18:54,901 --> 00:18:57,702 HIS WAY THROUGH THE GLASS. SO IT HAS TO BE BULLETPROOF OR 605 00:18:57,704 --> 00:18:58,402 SO IT HAS TO BE BULLETPROOF OR BULLET-RESISTANT, ANYWAY. 606 00:18:58,404 --> 00:18:59,770 BULLET-RESISTANT, ANYWAY. >> IT'S A TOUGH CONVERSATION, 607 00:18:59,772 --> 00:19:01,038 >> IT'S A TOUGH CONVERSATION, BUT YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY? 608 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,507 BUT YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY? >> THEY LOOK AND SAY, IT DOESN'T 609 00:19:02,509 --> 00:19:03,508 >> THEY LOOK AND SAY, IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME RIGHT NOW. 610 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:04,609 AFFECT ME RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING 611 00:19:04,611 --> 00:19:05,843 WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO MY SCHOOL. 612 00:19:05,845 --> 00:19:09,247 TO COME TO MY SCHOOL. THEY PROBABLY WON'T, BECAUSE 613 00:19:09,249 --> 00:19:10,882 THEY PROBABLY WON'T, BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER COME TO THIS 614 00:19:10,884 --> 00:19:11,983 THEY'VE NEVER COME TO THIS SCHOOL, SO IT'S NEVER GOING TO 615 00:19:11,985 --> 00:19:12,316 SCHOOL, SO IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. 616 00:19:12,318 --> 00:19:14,852 HAPPEN. THE REALITY IS, WE DON'T KNOW. 617 00:19:14,854 --> 00:19:16,521 THE REALITY IS, WE DON'T KNOW. 1500 STUDENTS AT SOUTH PASADENA 618 00:19:16,523 --> 00:19:17,255 1500 STUDENTS AT SOUTH PASADENA HIGH SCHOOL. 619 00:19:17,257 --> 00:19:18,456 HIGH SCHOOL. IT COULD HAVE BEEN A BLOODBATH. 620 00:19:18,458 --> 00:19:19,857 IT COULD HAVE BEEN A BLOODBATH. AND IT WAS PREVENTED AND 621 00:19:19,859 --> 00:19:20,191 AND IT WAS PREVENTED AND STOPPED. 622 00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:20,925 STOPPED. SOMEBODY GOT THERE BEFORE THE 623 00:19:20,927 --> 00:19:21,826 SOMEBODY GOT THERE BEFORE THE SHOOTING STARTED. 624 00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:22,860 SHOOTING STARTED. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO 625 00:19:22,862 --> 00:19:23,895 THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN IF THEY WANT TO KEEP 626 00:19:23,897 --> 00:19:25,062 HAPPEN IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THESE THINGS FROM TAKING OVER 627 00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:25,863 THESE THINGS FROM TAKING OVER THE MINDS AND THE THOUGHTS OF 628 00:19:25,865 --> 00:19:29,300 THE MINDS AND THE THOUGHTS OF ALL THE SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY. 629 00:19:29,302 --> 00:19:30,835 ALL THE SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY. CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION? 630 00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:32,737 CAN YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION? IF SOMEONE PULLS UP TO YOUR 631 00:19:32,739 --> 00:19:34,372 IF SOMEONE PULLS UP TO YOUR SCHOOL AT 9:30 IN THE MORNING, 632 00:19:34,374 --> 00:19:36,240 SCHOOL AT 9:30 IN THE MORNING, OPENS THE CAR DOOR, PULL AS MASK 633 00:19:36,242 --> 00:19:37,575 OPENS THE CAR DOOR, PULL AS MASK OVER THEIR FACE AND TAKES A GUN 634 00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:39,043 OVER THEIR FACE AND TAKES A GUN UP TO THE SCHOOL, CAN THE SCHOOL 635 00:19:39,045 --> 00:19:39,877 UP TO THE SCHOOL, CAN THE SCHOOL PROTECT YOUR CHILD? 636 00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:42,446 PROTECT YOUR CHILD? MY ASSERTION IS ON MOST LEVELS, 637 00:19:42,448 --> 00:19:43,781 MY ASSERTION IS ON MOST LEVELS, CAN YOU PRETTY MUCH SAY WE 638 00:19:43,783 --> 00:19:45,349 CAN YOU PRETTY MUCH SAY WE HAVEN'T REACHED THAT STAGE YET. 639 00:19:45,351 --> 00:19:47,285 HAVEN'T REACHED THAT STAGE YET. WHERE WE CAN PROTECT OUR KIDS. 640 00:19:47,287 --> 00:19:49,187 WHERE WE CAN PROTECT OUR KIDS. AND SO, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE 641 00:19:49,189 --> 00:19:49,887 AND SO, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS TO 642 00:19:49,889 --> 00:19:52,390 ARE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS TO TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER AND I 643 00:19:52,392 --> 00:19:54,258 TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL REALLY, REALLY 644 00:19:54,260 --> 00:19:55,526 THINK THEY'RE ALL REALLY, REALLY MOTIVATED AND THEY'RE REALLY 645 00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:57,428 MOTIVATED AND THEY'RE REALLY WANT TO DO MORE. 646 00:19:57,430 --> 00:20:01,499 WANT TO DO MORE. YES, MONEY IS RESTRICTIVE, YES, 647 00:20:01,501 --> 00:20:02,767 YES, MONEY IS RESTRICTIVE, YES, FINANCING, YES. 648 00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:03,734 FINANCING, YES. RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 649 00:20:03,736 --> 00:20:05,002 RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS 650 00:20:05,004 --> 00:20:06,270 BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COMMUNITIES CAN WORK 651 00:20:06,272 --> 00:20:07,038 THAT COMMUNITIES CAN WORK TOGETHER TO GATHER. 652 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,173 TOGETHER TO GATHER. TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KIDS ARE 653 00:20:09,175 --> 00:20:09,707 TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KIDS ARE SAFE. 654 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:11,676 SAFE. UNTIL THE COPS GET THERE. 655 00:20:11,678 --> 00:20:14,178 UNTIL THE COPS GET THERE. >> IN THE DAYS FOLLOWING 9/11, 656 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:15,780 >> IN THE DAYS FOLLOWING 9/11, COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY 657 00:20:15,782 --> 00:20:17,315 COMMUNITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BEGAN TO FORMULATE IDEAS ON HOW 658 00:20:17,317 --> 00:20:19,350 BEGAN TO FORMULATE IDEAS ON HOW TO BETTER IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY 659 00:20:19,352 --> 00:20:22,486 TO BETTER IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THEIR RESPONSE TO CRISIS 660 00:20:22,488 --> 00:20:22,887 AND THEIR RESPONSE TO CRISIS SITUATIONS. 661 00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:24,956 SITUATIONS. IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, PIMA COUNTY 662 00:20:24,958 --> 00:20:27,291 IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, PIMA COUNTY IS HOME TO OFFICE OF EMERGENCY 663 00:20:27,293 --> 00:20:28,960 IS HOME TO OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF 664 00:20:28,962 --> 00:20:29,660 MANAGEMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. 665 00:20:29,662 --> 00:20:31,095 HOMELAND SECURITY. JEFF GUTHRIE IS THE DEPUTY 666 00:20:31,097 --> 00:20:32,897 JEFF GUTHRIE IS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND EXPLAINS HOW 667 00:20:32,899 --> 00:20:34,298 DIRECTOR AND EXPLAINS HOW FACILITIES LIKE THESE SERVE AS 668 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:37,101 FACILITIES LIKE THESE SERVE AS AN INFORMATION CENTER DURING A 669 00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:37,435 AN INFORMATION CENTER DURING A CRISIS. 670 00:20:37,437 --> 00:20:39,403 CRISIS. >> ONCE WE RECEIVE A CALL THAT 671 00:20:39,405 --> 00:20:41,038 >> ONCE WE RECEIVE A CALL THAT THERE'S AN EMERGENCY WITHIN THE 672 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,473 THERE'S AN EMERGENCY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WE START TO TRY TO 673 00:20:42,475 --> 00:20:43,674 COMMUNITY, WE START TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHO WE NEED TO BRING 674 00:20:43,676 --> 00:20:45,209 UNDERSTAND WHO WE NEED TO BRING IN TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS 675 00:20:45,211 --> 00:20:45,543 IN TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. 676 00:20:45,545 --> 00:20:48,079 CENTER. TO HELP SUPPORT THAT EMERGENCY. 677 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,614 TO HELP SUPPORT THAT EMERGENCY. AND EACH TIME IT'S DIFFERENT. 678 00:20:49,616 --> 00:20:51,716 AND EACH TIME IT'S DIFFERENT. EVERY TIME WE OPEN UP THE DOORS 679 00:20:51,718 --> 00:20:54,252 EVERY TIME WE OPEN UP THE DOORS AND WE STAFF THIS OUT, IT'S A 680 00:20:54,254 --> 00:20:56,354 AND WE STAFF THIS OUT, IT'S A DIFFERENT STAFFING ORGANIZATION. 681 00:20:56,356 --> 00:20:59,757 DIFFERENT STAFFING ORGANIZATION. THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF, 682 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,026 THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF, WITH PIMA COUNTY IS TYPICALLY 683 00:21:02,028 --> 00:21:04,228 WITH PIMA COUNTY IS TYPICALLY THEY'RE COUNTY EMPLOYEES OR 684 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:06,564 THEY'RE COUNTY EMPLOYEES OR THEY'RE FIRE CHIEFS OR LAW 685 00:21:06,566 --> 00:21:07,365 THEY'RE FIRE CHIEFS OR LAW ENFORCE. 686 00:21:07,367 --> 00:21:09,400 ENFORCE. OFFICERS THAT WE'VE ASKED TO BE 687 00:21:09,402 --> 00:21:10,468 OFFICERS THAT WE'VE ASKED TO BE ON OUR TEAM. 688 00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:11,602 ON OUR TEAM. SO WE'LL CALL THEM AND ASK THEM 689 00:21:11,604 --> 00:21:13,170 SO WE'LL CALL THEM AND ASK THEM TO COME IN AND HELP US SUPPORT 690 00:21:13,172 --> 00:21:13,871 TO COME IN AND HELP US SUPPORT THE INCIDENT. 691 00:21:13,873 --> 00:21:16,040 THE INCIDENT. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE 692 00:21:16,042 --> 00:21:17,174 AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE INCIDENT IS WE'LL TYPICALLY 693 00:21:17,176 --> 00:21:19,310 INCIDENT IS WE'LL TYPICALLY BRIEF THEM OUT. 694 00:21:19,312 --> 00:21:21,679 BRIEF THEM OUT. IF THEY NEED TO HELP SUPPORT THE 695 00:21:21,681 --> 00:21:23,214 IF THEY NEED TO HELP SUPPORT THE INCIDENT, WE'LL ASK THEM TO 696 00:21:23,216 --> 00:21:23,514 INCIDENT, WE'LL ASK THEM TO STAY. 697 00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:24,782 STAY. THOSE THAT DON'T, WE'LL ASK THEM 698 00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:26,584 THOSE THAT DON'T, WE'LL ASK THEM TO GO HOME, AT LEAST MONITOR THE 699 00:21:26,586 --> 00:21:28,386 TO GO HOME, AT LEAST MONITOR THE SITUATION, AND IF IT ESCALATES, 700 00:21:28,388 --> 00:21:29,553 SITUATION, AND IF IT ESCALATES, WE'LL CALL THEM BACK AND ASK 701 00:21:29,555 --> 00:21:31,155 WE'LL CALL THEM BACK AND ASK THEM TO STAY HERE AND HELP 702 00:21:31,157 --> 00:21:31,555 THEM TO STAY HERE AND HELP SUPPORT US. 703 00:21:31,557 --> 00:21:33,291 SUPPORT US. >> IF THERE WERE ANOTHER 9/11 704 00:21:33,293 --> 00:21:34,959 >> IF THERE WERE ANOTHER 9/11 TYPE TRAGEDY ON A NATIONAL 705 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:36,394 TYPE TRAGEDY ON A NATIONAL SCALE, WOULD YOU MOBILIZE HERE 706 00:21:36,396 --> 00:21:36,727 SCALE, WOULD YOU MOBILIZE HERE LOCALLY? 707 00:21:36,729 --> 00:21:37,228 LOCALLY? >> WE WOULD. 708 00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:38,462 >> WE WOULD. WE WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT 709 00:21:38,464 --> 00:21:41,732 WE WOULD WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE THREAT IS TO THE COMMUNITY 710 00:21:41,734 --> 00:21:42,066 THE THREAT IS TO THE COMMUNITY LOCALLY. 711 00:21:42,068 --> 00:21:45,469 LOCALLY. WE'D BRING IN OUR LAW 712 00:21:45,471 --> 00:21:46,904 WE'D BRING IN OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT INTEL OFFICE AND ASK 713 00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:48,372 ENFORCEMENT INTEL OFFICE AND ASK THEM TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION 714 00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:49,507 THEM TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE AND LET US KNOW WHAT 715 00:21:49,509 --> 00:21:50,775 THEY HAVE AND LET US KNOW WHAT LEVEL OF THREAT WE MIGHT BE 716 00:21:50,777 --> 00:21:52,810 LEVEL OF THREAT WE MIGHT BE FACED HERE LOCALLY AND WE WOULD 717 00:21:52,812 --> 00:21:54,345 FACED HERE LOCALLY AND WE WOULD OF COURSE START TO RELEASE THAT 718 00:21:54,347 --> 00:21:55,279 OF COURSE START TO RELEASE THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC 719 00:21:55,281 --> 00:22:00,017 INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND REASSURE THEM, MAKE SURE OUR 720 00:22:00,019 --> 00:22:01,786 AND REASSURE THEM, MAKE SURE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ANY TYPES 721 00:22:01,788 --> 00:22:02,987 ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ANY TYPES OF LOCAL JURISDICTIONS HAVE BEEN 722 00:22:02,989 --> 00:22:03,721 OF LOCAL JURISDICTIONS HAVE BEEN BRIEFED UP ON WHAT IT IS WE MAY 723 00:22:03,723 --> 00:22:06,657 BRIEFED UP ON WHAT IT IS WE MAY BE FACED WITH. 724 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:08,025 BE FACED WITH. IF THERE WERE A SITUATION WITH A 725 00:22:08,027 --> 00:22:09,960 IF THERE WERE A SITUATION WITH A SCHOOL SHOOTING, THIS WOULD ALSO 726 00:22:09,962 --> 00:22:11,829 SCHOOL SHOOTING, THIS WOULD ALSO BECOME THAT COMMAND POST FOR 727 00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:12,196 BECOME THAT COMMAND POST FOR RESOURCES. 728 00:22:12,198 --> 00:22:13,564 RESOURCES. >> RIGHT, YEAH. 729 00:22:13,566 --> 00:22:14,865 >> RIGHT, YEAH. >> THE COMMAND POST IS GOING TO 730 00:22:14,867 --> 00:22:18,069 >> THE COMMAND POST IS GOING TO BE LOCALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE 731 00:22:18,071 --> 00:22:18,402 BE LOCALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE OFFSITE. 732 00:22:18,404 --> 00:22:19,136 OFFSITE. THIS EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER 733 00:22:19,138 --> 00:22:21,872 THIS EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER IS HERE TO SUPPORT THE INCIDENT 734 00:22:21,874 --> 00:22:22,239 IS HERE TO SUPPORT THE INCIDENT COMMANDER. 735 00:22:22,241 --> 00:22:25,576 COMMANDER. ONCE THEY'VE EXHAUSTED RESOURCES 736 00:22:25,578 --> 00:22:26,344 ONCE THEY'VE EXHAUSTED RESOURCES OR THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS 737 00:22:26,346 --> 00:22:27,378 OR THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAND 738 00:22:27,380 --> 00:22:28,813 THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAND THAT WILL WE CAN TAKE OFF THEIR 739 00:22:28,815 --> 00:22:31,115 THAT WILL WE CAN TAKE OFF THEIR PLATE, WE CAN HANDLE THAT HERE. 740 00:22:31,117 --> 00:22:32,616 PLATE, WE CAN HANDLE THAT HERE. LIKE A SCHOOL SHOOTING. 741 00:22:32,618 --> 00:22:34,719 LIKE A SCHOOL SHOOTING. THERE MAY BE SOME COMMUNITY 742 00:22:34,721 --> 00:22:35,653 THERE MAY BE SOME COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT NEED 743 00:22:35,655 --> 00:22:36,554 MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 744 00:22:36,556 --> 00:22:38,489 TO BE ADDRESSED. SO WE CAN START TO BRING 745 00:22:38,491 --> 00:22:40,057 SO WE CAN START TO BRING TOGETHER THE COMMUNITY MENTAL 746 00:22:40,059 --> 00:22:41,158 TOGETHER THE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATIONS AND HAVE 747 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,829 HEALTH ASSOCIATIONS AND HAVE THEM START TO MEET AND 748 00:22:44,831 --> 00:22:45,563 THEM START TO MEET AND DETERMINE, DISCUSS HOW THEY'RE 749 00:22:45,565 --> 00:22:47,131 DETERMINE, DISCUSS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY 750 00:22:47,133 --> 00:22:48,332 GOING TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT WE MAY 751 00:22:48,334 --> 00:22:49,200 MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT WE MAY BE FACED WITH. 752 00:22:49,202 --> 00:22:51,168 BE FACED WITH. SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE CAN 753 00:22:51,170 --> 00:22:53,771 SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE CAN TAKE UP, THE PLATE OFF THE 754 00:22:53,773 --> 00:22:55,206 TAKE UP, THE PLATE OFF THE INCIDENT COMMANDER, THEY'RE 755 00:22:55,208 --> 00:22:56,407 INCIDENT COMMANDER, THEY'RE BUSY, FACED WITH THE INCIDENT 756 00:22:56,409 --> 00:22:57,174 BUSY, FACED WITH THE INCIDENT THEY HAVE ON HAND. 757 00:22:57,176 --> 00:22:58,409 THEY HAVE ON HAND. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE 758 00:22:58,411 --> 00:22:59,310 THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT 759 00:22:59,312 --> 00:23:00,811 NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD FOR THE COMMUNITY. 760 00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:03,914 DOWN THE ROAD FOR THE COMMUNITY. >> YOUR BACKGROUND YOU SAID WITH 761 00:23:03,916 --> 00:23:04,749 >> YOUR BACKGROUND YOU SAID WITH THE TUCSON AIRPORT FIRE 762 00:23:04,751 --> 00:23:05,149 THE TUCSON AIRPORT FIRE DEPARTMENT. 763 00:23:05,151 --> 00:23:06,684 DEPARTMENT. AS A FIRST RESPONDER, HOW 764 00:23:06,686 --> 00:23:08,953 AS A FIRST RESPONDER, HOW CRITICAL ARE OPERATIONS LIKE 765 00:23:08,955 --> 00:23:09,487 CRITICAL ARE OPERATIONS LIKE THIS ONE? 766 00:23:09,489 --> 00:23:11,021 THIS ONE? >> YOU REALLY DON'T REALIZE HOW 767 00:23:11,023 --> 00:23:12,757 >> YOU REALLY DON'T REALIZE HOW HELPFUL THEY CAN BE UNTIL YOU 768 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:16,727 HELPFUL THEY CAN BE UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING 769 00:23:16,729 --> 00:23:17,061 UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR YOU. 770 00:23:17,063 --> 00:23:18,396 FOR YOU. BECAUSE THE INCIDENT COMMANDER 771 00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:20,531 BECAUSE THE INCIDENT COMMANDER ON SITE IS GOING TO GO THROUGH 772 00:23:20,533 --> 00:23:21,665 ON SITE IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THEIR NORMAL PROCESS, THEY'RE 773 00:23:21,667 --> 00:23:22,933 THEIR NORMAL PROCESS, THEY'RE GOING TO MITIGATE THE INCIDENT 774 00:23:22,935 --> 00:23:24,068 GOING TO MITIGATE THE INCIDENT THEY'RE FACED WITH RIGHT NOW. 775 00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:25,269 THEY'RE FACED WITH RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY 776 00:23:25,271 --> 00:23:26,904 THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT GO AWAY. 777 00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:28,239 NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT GO AWAY. AND THE RECOVERY PIECE IS 778 00:23:28,241 --> 00:23:29,874 AND THE RECOVERY PIECE IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME 779 00:23:29,876 --> 00:23:33,277 SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS 780 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:33,778 BACK TO THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. 781 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:35,346 CENTER. AND THE SUPPORT FOR ADDITIONAL 782 00:23:35,348 --> 00:23:36,580 AND THE SUPPORT FOR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THEY MAY NOT HAVE ON 783 00:23:36,582 --> 00:23:37,314 RESOURCES THEY MAY NOT HAVE ON HAND AT THE SITE. 784 00:23:37,316 --> 00:23:38,949 HAND AT THE SITE. WE CAN START TO UNDERSTAND WHERE 785 00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:40,518 WE CAN START TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE ARE AT, HOW FAST WE CAN 786 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,520 THOSE ARE AT, HOW FAST WE CAN GET THEM, WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR 787 00:23:42,522 --> 00:23:44,188 GET THEM, WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THEM AND START TO MOBILIZE THE 788 00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:45,389 THEM AND START TO MOBILIZE THE RESOURCES OUT TO THE INCIDENT 789 00:23:45,391 --> 00:23:47,024 RESOURCES OUT TO THE INCIDENT COMMANDER AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN 790 00:23:47,026 --> 00:23:48,192 COMMANDER AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE THOSE EN ROUTE BY THE TIME 791 00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:48,893 HAVE THOSE EN ROUTE BY THE TIME THEY ASK FOR THEM. 792 00:23:48,895 --> 00:23:50,561 THEY ASK FOR THEM. >> THE STATE OF THE ART FACILITY 793 00:23:50,563 --> 00:23:53,564 >> THE STATE OF THE ART FACILITY THAT KIND OF HELPS REPRESENT THE 794 00:23:53,566 --> 00:23:55,199 THAT KIND OF HELPS REPRESENT THE SOUTHWEST IN THAT RESPECT OF 795 00:23:55,201 --> 00:23:56,233 SOUTHWEST IN THAT RESPECT OF MANAGING CRISIS SITUATIONS. 796 00:23:56,235 --> 00:23:59,069 MANAGING CRISIS SITUATIONS. DO YOU THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE 797 00:23:59,071 --> 00:24:00,538 DO YOU THINK THIS IS KIND OF THE BE-ALL FOR SITUATIONS MOVING 798 00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:00,871 BE-ALL FOR SITUATIONS MOVING FORWARD? 799 00:24:00,873 --> 00:24:03,007 FORWARD? >> I THINK THAT THIS IS THE TYPE 800 00:24:03,009 --> 00:24:04,575 >> I THINK THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER 801 00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:05,743 OF EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER THAT EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO. 802 00:24:05,745 --> 00:24:07,278 THAT EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO. IT'S COST-EFFECTIVE. 803 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,980 IT'S COST-EFFECTIVE. IT'S EASY TO MAINTAIN. 804 00:24:09,982 --> 00:24:11,248 IT'S EASY TO MAINTAIN. AND IT'S VERSATILE ENOUGH THAT 805 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:13,317 AND IT'S VERSATILE ENOUGH THAT CAN YOU CHANGE IT DOWN THE ROAD. 806 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:16,020 CAN YOU CHANGE IT DOWN THE ROAD. IF THE, THE WAY EMERGENCY 807 00:24:16,022 --> 00:24:18,055 IF THE, THE WAY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTERS CHANGE, WE 808 00:24:18,057 --> 00:24:21,859 OPERATIONS CENTERS CHANGE, WE CAN REMODEL THIS ROOM AND USE 809 00:24:21,861 --> 00:24:24,128 CAN REMODEL THIS ROOM AND USE THE SAME SPACE, IT WILL BE COST 810 00:24:24,130 --> 00:24:25,262 THE SAME SPACE, IT WILL BE COST EFFECTIVE TO HANDLE SITUATIONS 811 00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:27,298 EFFECTIVE TO HANDLE SITUATIONS DOWN THE ROAD AS THE INCIDENT 812 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:29,333 DOWN THE ROAD AS THE INCIDENT COMMAND DOES AND EOCs CHANGE. 813 00:24:29,335 --> 00:24:30,868 COMMAND DOES AND EOCs CHANGE. >> DO YOU FEEL IF THERE WERE A 814 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:32,470 >> DO YOU FEEL IF THERE WERE A MASSIVE CRISIS SITUATION IN THIS 815 00:24:32,472 --> 00:24:34,071 MASSIVE CRISIS SITUATION IN THIS REGION, WE WOULD BE PREPARED FOR 816 00:24:34,073 --> 00:24:34,338 REGION, WE WOULD BE PREPARED FOR IT? 817 00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:36,373 IT? >> ABSOLUTELY. 818 00:24:36,375 --> 00:24:40,044 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> SINCE 9/11, PRESIDENT BUSH 819 00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:41,679 >> SINCE 9/11, PRESIDENT BUSH PASSED THE NATIONAL INCIDENT 820 00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:42,913 PASSED THE NATIONAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT IS ALL 821 00:24:42,915 --> 00:24:44,615 MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT IS ALL FIRST RESPONDERS WILL HANDLE 822 00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:45,716 FIRST RESPONDERS WILL HANDLE INCIDENTS IN THE SAME MANNER 823 00:24:45,718 --> 00:24:47,318 INCIDENTS IN THE SAME MANNER ACROSS THE NATION. 824 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,856 ACROSS THE NATION. AND REQUIRED CERTAIN LEVELS OF 825 00:24:51,858 --> 00:24:52,656 AND REQUIRED CERTAIN LEVELS OF TRAINING. 826 00:24:52,658 --> 00:24:53,657 TRAINING. SO THE FIRST RESPONDERS ARE 827 00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:55,259 SO THE FIRST RESPONDERS ARE BETTER TRAINED, BETTER EQUIPPED 828 00:24:55,261 --> 00:24:57,061 BETTER TRAINED, BETTER EQUIPPED THROUGH THE HOMELAND SECURITY 829 00:24:57,063 --> 00:24:59,497 THROUGH THE HOMELAND SECURITY FUNDING THAT WAS RELEASED DURING 830 00:24:59,499 --> 00:24:59,797 FUNDING THAT WAS RELEASED DURING 2001. 831 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:00,998 2001. WE CONTINUE TO UPGRADE OUR 832 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,867 WE CONTINUE TO UPGRADE OUR EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING AS THE 833 00:25:02,869 --> 00:25:04,235 EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING AS THE FIRST RESPONDERS RETIRE OUT. 834 00:25:04,237 --> 00:25:05,703 FIRST RESPONDERS RETIRE OUT. WE TRAIN THE NEW GUYS THAT ARE 835 00:25:05,705 --> 00:25:08,239 WE TRAIN THE NEW GUYS THAT ARE COMING UP THROUGH THE RANKS. 836 00:25:08,241 --> 00:25:11,175 COMING UP THROUGH THE RANKS. AND REPLACE EQUIPMENT THAT IS 837 00:25:11,177 --> 00:25:13,677 AND REPLACE EQUIPMENT THAT IS OUTDATED AND I THINK WE'RE VERY 838 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:15,346 OUTDATED AND I THINK WE'RE VERY WELL PREPARED TO HANDLE AN 839 00:25:15,348 --> 00:25:17,681 WELL PREPARED TO HANDLE AN EMERGENCY IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA. 840 00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,351 EMERGENCY IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA. ¶ 841 00:25:20,353 --> 00:25:21,018 ¶ ¶ 842 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:22,720 ¶ >> MUCH DIFFERENT NEWS NOW AND 843 00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:25,189 >> MUCH DIFFERENT NEWS NOW AND THE BUZZ WITH MY COLLEAGUE, 844 00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:26,123 THE BUZZ WITH MY COLLEAGUE, CHRISTOPHER CONOVER. 845 00:25:26,125 --> 00:25:26,891 CHRISTOPHER CONOVER. ANOTHER WEEK CLOSER TO THE 846 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:28,125 ANOTHER WEEK CLOSER TO THE GENERAL ELECTION, THINGS 847 00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:28,659 GENERAL ELECTION, THINGS STARTING TO HEAT UP. 848 00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:30,728 STARTING TO HEAT UP. WE HAD A DEBATE THIS WEEK 849 00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:32,463 WE HAD A DEBATE THIS WEEK BETWEEN THE TWO GUBERNATORIAL 850 00:25:32,465 --> 00:25:32,863 BETWEEN THE TWO GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES. 851 00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,431 CANDIDATES. >> WE HAD OUR FIRST 852 00:25:34,433 --> 00:25:35,099 >> WE HAD OUR FIRST GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE OF THE 853 00:25:35,101 --> 00:25:36,066 GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE OF THE GENERAL ELECTION SEASON. 854 00:25:36,068 --> 00:25:37,968 GENERAL ELECTION SEASON. IT MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMY 855 00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:40,337 IT MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMY AND EDUCATION CAME TO PLAY IN 856 00:25:40,339 --> 00:25:40,971 AND EDUCATION CAME TO PLAY IN THAT. 857 00:25:40,973 --> 00:25:42,239 THAT. DEMOCRAT FRED DUVALL SAYS REALLY 858 00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:43,674 DEMOCRAT FRED DUVALL SAYS REALLY ONE OF THE WAYS TO FIX THE 859 00:25:43,676 --> 00:25:47,978 ONE OF THE WAYS TO FIX THE ECONOMY IS MAKE EDUCATION 860 00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:48,312 ECONOMY IS MAKE EDUCATION BETTER. 861 00:25:48,314 --> 00:25:49,580 BETTER. AND WHERE EDUCATION REALLY CAME 862 00:25:49,582 --> 00:25:52,583 AND WHERE EDUCATION REALLY CAME IN WAS THE K-12 FUNDING THAT THE 863 00:25:52,585 --> 00:25:54,285 IN WAS THE K-12 FUNDING THAT THE JUDGES RULED THE STATE OWES TO 864 00:25:54,287 --> 00:25:55,653 JUDGES RULED THE STATE OWES TO THE K-12 SYSTEM. 865 00:25:55,655 --> 00:25:57,021 THE K-12 SYSTEM. DUVALL SAYS IF HE'S GOVERNOR, 866 00:25:57,023 --> 00:25:59,189 DUVALL SAYS IF HE'S GOVERNOR, THE MONEY GETS PAID RIGHT AWAY. 867 00:25:59,191 --> 00:26:00,190 THE MONEY GETS PAID RIGHT AWAY. THE REPUBLICAN SAYS SLOW DOWN, 868 00:26:00,192 --> 00:26:01,625 THE REPUBLICAN SAYS SLOW DOWN, HE WANTS TO SEE THE APPEAL OF 869 00:26:01,627 --> 00:26:02,960 HE WANTS TO SEE THE APPEAL OF THAT RULING GO THROUGH BEFORE 870 00:26:02,962 --> 00:26:04,295 THAT RULING GO THROUGH BEFORE ANY CHECKS GET RITEN. 871 00:26:04,297 --> 00:26:06,297 ANY CHECKS GET RITEN. SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME 872 00:26:06,299 --> 00:26:06,630 SO WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME DIVIDE. 873 00:26:06,632 --> 00:26:07,865 DIVIDE. >> NO REAL FIREWORKS DURING THAT 874 00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:08,732 >> NO REAL FIREWORKS DURING THAT DEBATE UP IN PHOENIX. 875 00:26:08,734 --> 00:26:10,034 DEBATE UP IN PHOENIX. BUT WE ARE SEEING THE ADS REALLY 876 00:26:10,036 --> 00:26:13,203 BUT WE ARE SEEING THE ADS REALLY RAMP UP FOR THIS RACE. 877 00:26:13,205 --> 00:26:15,205 RAMP UP FOR THIS RACE. WE ARE REALLY SEEING THE ADS. 878 00:26:15,207 --> 00:26:16,874 WE ARE REALLY SEEING THE ADS. WE HAVE DEBATE COMING UP IN 879 00:26:16,876 --> 00:26:18,042 WE HAVE DEBATE COMING UP IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA THIS WEEK. 880 00:26:18,044 --> 00:26:19,643 SOUTHERN ARIZONA THIS WEEK. I'LL BE MODERATING IT. 881 00:26:19,645 --> 00:26:23,347 I'LL BE MODERATING IT. IT'S WITH THE TUCSON HISPANIC 882 00:26:23,349 --> 00:26:25,716 IT'S WITH THE TUCSON HISPANIC CHAMBER, THE YWCA AND THE JEWISH 883 00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:27,484 CHAMBER, THE YWCA AND THE JEWISH FEDERATION OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA, 884 00:26:27,486 --> 00:26:29,420 FEDERATION OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA, LATE THEY ARE WEEK WE COULD GET 885 00:26:29,422 --> 00:26:31,288 LATE THEY ARE WEEK WE COULD GET SOME FIREWORKS, BUT WE ARE 886 00:26:31,290 --> 00:26:32,756 SOME FIREWORKS, BUT WE ARE SEEING NEW ADS AND OUTSIDE ADS 887 00:26:32,758 --> 00:26:36,060 SEEING NEW ADS AND OUTSIDE ADS COMING IN AND ATTACKING DOUG 888 00:26:36,062 --> 00:26:38,362 COMING IN AND ATTACKING DOUG DEUCY SPECIFICALLY ON COLDSTONE 889 00:26:38,364 --> 00:26:38,729 DEUCY SPECIFICALLY ON COLDSTONE CREAMERY. 890 00:26:38,731 --> 00:26:40,464 CREAMERY. >> THE QUESTION OF SOME OF HIS 891 00:26:40,466 --> 00:26:41,498 >> THE QUESTION OF SOME OF HIS DEPARTURE FROM THE COMPANY. 892 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,635 DEPARTURE FROM THE COMPANY. >> HIS DEPARTURE AND SBA LOANS. 893 00:26:44,637 --> 00:26:45,636 >> HIS DEPARTURE AND SBA LOANS. THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" WROTE 894 00:26:45,638 --> 00:26:48,439 THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" WROTE AN ARTICLE THIS WEEK, THE 10 895 00:26:48,441 --> 00:26:49,607 AN ARTICLE THIS WEEK, THE 10 WORST-FRANCHISED COMPANIES FOR 896 00:26:49,609 --> 00:26:51,442 WORST-FRANCHISED COMPANIES FOR DEFAULTING ON SBA, SMALL 897 00:26:51,444 --> 00:26:52,276 DEFAULTING ON SBA, SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION LOANS 898 00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:54,411 BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION LOANS AND COLDSTONE CREAMERY MADE THE 899 00:26:54,413 --> 00:26:55,312 AND COLDSTONE CREAMERY MADE THE LIST OF TOP 10. 900 00:26:55,314 --> 00:26:58,515 LIST OF TOP 10. AND THAT AD GOES AFTER DOUG 901 00:26:58,517 --> 00:26:58,816 AND THAT AD GOES AFTER DOUG DEUCY. 902 00:26:58,818 --> 00:26:59,650 DEUCY. AROUND THAT ISSUE. 903 00:26:59,652 --> 00:27:01,785 AROUND THAT ISSUE. >> ALSO THE POLLS, A NEW ONE 904 00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:03,821 >> ALSO THE POLLS, A NEW ONE OUT, THEY'RE SOMEWHAT CLOSED, SO 905 00:27:03,823 --> 00:27:05,823 OUT, THEY'RE SOMEWHAT CLOSED, SO I THINK DOUG DEUCY IS IN THE 906 00:27:05,825 --> 00:27:06,123 I THINK DOUG DEUCY IS IN THE LEAD? 907 00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:07,458 LEAD? >> HE'S IN THE LEAD BY A POINT. 908 00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:08,692 >> HE'S IN THE LEAD BY A POINT. SO AGAIN A VERY CLOSE. 909 00:27:08,694 --> 00:27:10,461 SO AGAIN A VERY CLOSE. THERE WAS A POLL LATE LAST WEEK 910 00:27:10,463 --> 00:27:12,162 THERE WAS A POLL LATE LAST WEEK THAT HAD HIM UP BY 13, BUT IT 911 00:27:12,164 --> 00:27:15,299 THAT HAD HIM UP BY 13, BUT IT WAS ONLY IN CONGRESSIONAL 912 00:27:15,301 --> 00:27:17,601 WAS ONLY IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 1. 913 00:27:17,603 --> 00:27:19,603 DISTRICT 1. SO THAT WAS NOT A GOOD SNAPSHOT 914 00:27:19,605 --> 00:27:22,106 SO THAT WAS NOT A GOOD SNAPSHOT OF THE WHOLE STATE. 915 00:27:22,108 --> 00:27:24,208 OF THE WHOLE STATE. NEW POLL, "NEW YORK TIMES" AND 916 00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:26,310 NEW POLL, "NEW YORK TIMES" AND CBS AND OTHERS PUT OUT, HAS IT 917 00:27:26,312 --> 00:27:27,444 CBS AND OTHERS PUT OUT, HAS IT BASICALLY TIED. 918 00:27:27,446 --> 00:27:29,613 BASICALLY TIED. SECOND POLL WE'VE SEEN THAT HAS 919 00:27:29,615 --> 00:27:30,848 SECOND POLL WE'VE SEEN THAT HAS THE RACE BETWEEN DEUCY AND 920 00:27:30,850 --> 00:27:31,382 THE RACE BETWEEN DEUCY AND DUVALL TIED. 921 00:27:31,384 --> 00:27:34,318 DUVALL TIED. >> WE'LL SEE NEW ONES AS WE GET 922 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:34,652 >> WE'LL SEE NEW ONES AS WE GET CLOSER. 923 00:27:34,654 --> 00:27:35,953 CLOSER. >>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM, A 924 00:27:35,955 --> 00:27:38,722 >>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM, A REMINDER FOR YOU, I DO EXPECT TO 925 00:27:38,724 --> 00:27:39,923 REMINDER FOR YOU, I DO EXPECT TO INTERVIEW REPUBLICAN 926 00:27:39,925 --> 00:27:40,791 INTERVIEW REPUBLICAN GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE DOUG 927 00:27:40,793 --> 00:27:43,327 GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE DOUG DEUCY NEXT WEEK, WE EXPECT HIS 928 00:27:43,329 --> 00:27:44,495 DEUCY NEXT WEEK, WE EXPECT HIS INTERVIEW WILL BE FEATURED ON 929 00:27:44,497 --> 00:27:45,896 INTERVIEW WILL BE FEATURED ON THE NEXT WEEK'S PROGRAM. 930 00:27:45,898 --> 00:27:48,132 THE NEXT WEEK'S PROGRAM. FOR ALL OF US HERE AT ARIZONA 931 00:27:48,134 --> 00:27:50,601 FOR ALL OF US HERE AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA I'M LORRAINE 932 00:27:50,603 --> 00:27:50,934 PUBLIC MEDIA I'M LORRAINE RIVETTA. 933 00:27:50,936 --> 00:27:51,869 RIVETTA. THANKS FOR JOINING US. 934 00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:54,805 -- Captions by VITAC -- www.vitac.com