WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:13.045 HEAD TO THE POLLS. A POLITICAL STRATEGIST WEIGHS IN 00:13.047 --> 00:14.813 A POLITICAL STRATEGIST WEIGHS IN BEHIND THE SCENE ON A MIDTERM 00:14.815 --> 00:15.180 BEHIND THE SCENE ON A MIDTERM ELECTION. 00:15.182 --> 00:16.115 ELECTION. >> RIGHT NOW IT'S DIRECT CONTACT 00:16.117 --> 00:19.251 >> RIGHT NOW IT'S DIRECT CONTACT AND THE CAMPAIGNS ARE ALMOST 00:19.253 --> 00:20.719 AND THE CAMPAIGNS ARE ALMOST LIMITED IN THEIR RESOURCES. 00:20.721 --> 00:22.888 LIMITED IN THEIR RESOURCES. >>> PLUS, THE STATE'S MAIN 00:22.890 --> 00:24.323 >>> PLUS, THE STATE'S MAIN OFFICES UP FOR GRABS. 00:24.325 --> 00:26.191 OFFICES UP FOR GRABS. COULD THIS ELECTION CHANGE 00:26.193 --> 00:27.760 COULD THIS ELECTION CHANGE ARIZONA'S POLITICAL LANDSCAPE 00:27.762 --> 00:31.997 ARIZONA'S POLITICAL LANDSCAPE AND MAYBE SIGNAL A CHANGE 00:31.999 --> 00:32.631 AND MAYBE SIGNAL A CHANGE NATIONALLY? 00:32.633 --> 00:35.467 NATIONALLY? >> IF YOU HAVE NATIONAL 00:35.469 --> 00:37.636 >> IF YOU HAVE NATIONAL CANDIDATES DO WELL IN ARIZONA, 00:37.638 --> 00:39.905 CANDIDATES DO WELL IN ARIZONA, AND ARIZONA IS AN EARLY PRIMARY 00:39.907 --> 00:42.908 AND ARIZONA IS AN EARLY PRIMARY STATE, THAT'S A MICROCOSM OF HOW 00:42.910 --> 00:45.344 STATE, THAT'S A MICROCOSM OF HOW WELL YOU MAY DO IN THE WEST. 00:45.346 --> 00:46.545 WELL YOU MAY DO IN THE WEST. >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." 00:46.547 --> 01:03.429 >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." ¶ 01:03.431 --> 01:05.197 ¶ >> ON TUESDAY, VOTERS WILL HEAD 01:05.199 --> 01:06.131 >> ON TUESDAY, VOTERS WILL HEAD TO THE POLLS. 01:06.133 --> 01:07.766 TO THE POLLS. IN FACT, MANY HAVE ALREADY VOTED 01:07.768 --> 01:08.700 IN FACT, MANY HAVE ALREADY VOTED BY MAIL. 01:08.702 --> 01:12.004 BY MAIL. MARIO DIAZ IS A POLITICAL 01:12.006 --> 01:14.373 MARIO DIAZ IS A POLITICAL STRATEGIST IN PHOENIX WHO HAS 01:14.375 --> 01:15.908 STRATEGIST IN PHOENIX WHO HAS EXPERIENCED ARIZONA POLITICS. 01:15.910 --> 01:18.110 EXPERIENCED ARIZONA POLITICS. HE'S A DEMOCRAT WHO SAYS WE'RE 01:18.112 --> 01:19.578 HE'S A DEMOCRAT WHO SAYS WE'RE WITNESSING POLITICAL HISTORY IN 01:19.580 --> 01:20.546 WITNESSING POLITICAL HISTORY IN THE STATE. 01:20.548 --> 01:22.247 THE STATE. WHAT'S HAPPENING IN ARIZONA'S 01:22.249 --> 01:22.948 WHAT'S HAPPENING IN ARIZONA'S POLITICAL LANDSCAPE? 01:22.950 --> 01:23.715 POLITICAL LANDSCAPE? WHAT'S CHANGING? 01:23.717 --> 01:25.317 WHAT'S CHANGING? >> WELL, I THINK WE'RE IN THE 01:25.319 --> 01:27.352 >> WELL, I THINK WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A POLITICAL 01:27.354 --> 01:28.654 MIDDLE OF A POLITICAL TRANSFORMATION IN ARIZONA. 01:28.656 --> 01:31.924 TRANSFORMATION IN ARIZONA. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MICROCOSM OF 01:31.926 --> 01:33.192 IF YOU LOOK AT THE MICROCOSM OF POLITICS, YOU LOOK AT TUCSON 01:33.194 --> 01:35.360 POLITICS, YOU LOOK AT TUCSON WHERE A FEW YEARS AGO YOU HAD A 01:35.362 --> 01:36.962 WHERE A FEW YEARS AGO YOU HAD A REPUBLICAN MAYOR AND NOW YOU 01:36.964 --> 01:38.964 REPUBLICAN MAYOR AND NOW YOU HAVE A DEMOCRATIC MAYOR. 01:38.966 --> 01:40.966 HAVE A DEMOCRATIC MAYOR. YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN AND A 01:40.968 --> 01:42.234 YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN AND A GENERALLY DEMOCRATIC AREA. 01:42.236 --> 01:45.003 GENERALLY DEMOCRATIC AREA. YOU LOOK AT OUR STATEWIDE 01:45.005 --> 01:46.271 YOU LOOK AT OUR STATEWIDE OFFICES WHERE YOU HAVE 01:46.273 --> 01:47.473 OFFICES WHERE YOU HAVE CANDIDATES THAT ONE COULD -- MAY 01:47.475 --> 01:49.274 CANDIDATES THAT ONE COULD -- MAY NOT HAVE IMAGINED A FEW YEARS 01:49.276 --> 01:50.876 NOT HAVE IMAGINED A FEW YEARS AGO THAT HAS A POTENTIAL OF 01:50.878 --> 01:53.445 AGO THAT HAS A POTENTIAL OF WINNING A STATEWIDE OFFICE AND 01:53.447 --> 01:55.647 WINNING A STATEWIDE OFFICE AND DR. DAVID GARCIA FOR STATE 01:55.649 --> 01:56.115 DR. DAVID GARCIA FOR STATE SUPERINTENDENT. 01:56.117 --> 01:58.317 SUPERINTENDENT. THIS IS A POLITICAL 01:58.319 --> 01:59.051 THIS IS A POLITICAL TRANSFORMATION HAPPENING RIGHT 01:59.053 --> 02:00.085 TRANSFORMATION HAPPENING RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES. 02:00.087 --> 02:01.587 BEFORE OUR EYES. >> ARIZONA HAS TRADITIONALLY 02:01.589 --> 02:02.855 >> ARIZONA HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN A REPUBLICAN STATE. 02:02.857 --> 02:04.590 BEEN A REPUBLICAN STATE. IF SOME STATE OFFICES END UP IN 02:04.592 --> 02:06.925 IF SOME STATE OFFICES END UP IN THE DEMOCRATIC REALM THIS 02:06.927 --> 02:09.228 THE DEMOCRATIC REALM THIS ELECTION, DOES THAT MEAN WE ARE 02:09.230 --> 02:10.863 ELECTION, DOES THAT MEAN WE ARE IN FOR A CHANGE AND ARIZONA IS 02:10.865 --> 02:12.498 IN FOR A CHANGE AND ARIZONA IS ABOUT TO BECOME A DEMOCRATIC 02:12.500 --> 02:13.632 ABOUT TO BECOME A DEMOCRATIC STATE AS WE KNOW IT? 02:13.634 --> 02:15.934 STATE AS WE KNOW IT? >> I THINK THAT ARIZONA HAS BEEN 02:15.936 --> 02:17.769 >> I THINK THAT ARIZONA HAS BEEN A REPUBLICAN STATE OR DOMINATED 02:17.771 --> 02:20.639 A REPUBLICAN STATE OR DOMINATED BY ONE PARTY BECAUSE A DEMOCRAT 02:20.641 --> 02:22.374 BY ONE PARTY BECAUSE A DEMOCRAT PARTY IN A CERTAIN WAY HAS 02:22.376 --> 02:23.542 PARTY IN A CERTAIN WAY HAS ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN. 02:23.544 --> 02:27.112 ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN. WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THE VOTERS -- 02:27.114 --> 02:29.181 WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THE VOTERS -- AND I SAY "WE" BECAUSE I'M A 02:29.183 --> 02:31.150 AND I SAY "WE" BECAUSE I'M A DEMOCRAT -- WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THE 02:31.152 --> 02:32.451 DEMOCRAT -- WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THE VOTERS CANDIDATES LIKE WE HAVE 02:32.453 --> 02:35.220 VOTERS CANDIDATES LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST FEW CYCLES, QUITE 02:35.222 --> 02:35.587 IN THE PAST FEW CYCLES, QUITE FRANKLY. 02:35.589 --> 02:39.658 FRANKLY. NOW YOU HAVE TERRY GODDARD, FRED 02:39.660 --> 02:42.661 NOW YOU HAVE TERRY GODDARD, FRED DUVAL, WE HAD JANET NAPOLITANO. 02:42.663 --> 02:44.429 DUVAL, WE HAD JANET NAPOLITANO. SMART CANDIDATES, PASSIONATE 02:44.431 --> 02:45.664 SMART CANDIDATES, PASSIONATE CANDIDATES, NOT JUST A CANDIDATE 02:45.666 --> 02:46.899 CANDIDATES, NOT JUST A CANDIDATE TO FILL THE BALLOT. 02:46.901 --> 02:48.233 TO FILL THE BALLOT. AND SO NOW YOU'RE SEEING THE 02:48.235 --> 02:48.567 AND SO NOW YOU'RE SEEING THE RESULTS. 02:48.569 --> 02:51.436 RESULTS. WE HAVE 33% OF THE POPULATION IN 02:51.438 --> 02:53.539 WE HAVE 33% OF THE POPULATION IN ARIZONA AS INDEPENDENT, 33% 02:53.541 --> 02:55.607 ARIZONA AS INDEPENDENT, 33% REPUBLICAN AND 33% DEMOCRAT. 02:55.609 --> 02:56.942 REPUBLICAN AND 33% DEMOCRAT. EVERY STATE OFFICE IS IN PLAY 02:56.944 --> 02:57.376 EVERY STATE OFFICE IS IN PLAY RIGHT NOW. 02:57.378 --> 03:01.647 RIGHT NOW. >> AS A STRATEGIST, WHAT IS THE 03:01.649 --> 03:02.481 >> AS A STRATEGIST, WHAT IS THE MINDSET RIGHT NOW? 03:02.483 --> 03:06.051 MINDSET RIGHT NOW? >> THE BULK OF THE VOTERS HAS 03:06.053 --> 03:08.554 >> THE BULK OF THE VOTERS HAS ALREADY TURNED IN THEIR EARLY 03:08.556 --> 03:08.887 ALREADY TURNED IN THEIR EARLY BALLOTS. 03:08.889 --> 03:11.023 BALLOTS. SO NOW WE HAVE THE ELECTION DAY 03:11.025 --> 03:13.625 SO NOW WE HAVE THE ELECTION DAY VOTERS OR THOSE HOLDING ON TO 03:13.627 --> 03:14.960 VOTERS OR THOSE HOLDING ON TO BALLOTS, WHICH THERE ARE STILL A 03:14.962 --> 03:15.694 BALLOTS, WHICH THERE ARE STILL A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. 03:15.696 --> 03:16.929 SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. RIGHT NOW IT'S DIRECT CONTACT 03:16.931 --> 03:20.132 RIGHT NOW IT'S DIRECT CONTACT AND THE CAMPAIGNS ARE ALMOST 03:20.134 --> 03:22.234 AND THE CAMPAIGNS ARE ALMOST LIMITING -- LIMITED IN THEIR 03:22.236 --> 03:22.601 LIMITING -- LIMITED IN THEIR RESOURCES. 03:22.603 --> 03:24.937 RESOURCES. SO THIS FACTOR OUTSIDE MONEY, 03:24.939 --> 03:27.105 SO THIS FACTOR OUTSIDE MONEY, DARK MONEY, AS WE CALL IT, AS IT 03:27.107 --> 03:29.041 DARK MONEY, AS WE CALL IT, AS IT HAS BEEN CALLED, IS PLAYING A 03:29.043 --> 03:30.409 HAS BEEN CALLED, IS PLAYING A SIGNIFICANT ROLE TO SHORE UP THE 03:30.411 --> 03:32.344 SIGNIFICANT ROLE TO SHORE UP THE LAST TWO WEEKS OF THE CAMPAIGN. 03:32.346 --> 03:34.513 LAST TWO WEEKS OF THE CAMPAIGN. >> EVERY CAMPAIGN WE HEAR, EVERY 03:34.515 --> 03:36.782 >> EVERY CAMPAIGN WE HEAR, EVERY ELECTION SEASON WE SEE LOTS OF 03:36.784 --> 03:37.883 ELECTION SEASON WE SEE LOTS OF MONEY COMING IN. 03:37.885 --> 03:39.618 MONEY COMING IN. EVERY YEAR IT BECOMES MORE AND 03:39.620 --> 03:39.952 EVERY YEAR IT BECOMES MORE AND GREATER. 03:39.954 --> 03:41.987 GREATER. SO WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING 03:41.989 --> 03:43.488 SO WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM AND YOU SAY DARK MONEY. 03:43.490 --> 03:46.625 FROM AND YOU SAY DARK MONEY. >> WELL, LOOK, IT'S WHAT IT IS 03:46.627 --> 03:46.959 >> WELL, LOOK, IT'S WHAT IT IS TERMED. 03:46.961 --> 03:47.926 TERMED. I DON'T CALL IT THAT. 03:47.928 --> 03:49.461 I DON'T CALL IT THAT. IT LOOKS GREEN TO ME. 03:49.463 --> 03:51.496 IT LOOKS GREEN TO ME. BUT I WOULD SAY THERE'S JUST SO 03:51.498 --> 03:55.467 BUT I WOULD SAY THERE'S JUST SO MUCH VESTED INTEREST NOW IN OUR 03:55.469 --> 03:55.767 MUCH VESTED INTEREST NOW IN OUR STATE. 03:55.769 --> 03:58.770 STATE. THE STATE IS GROWING. 03:58.772 --> 04:01.273 THE STATE IS GROWING. WE ARE TRANSFORMING OUR ECONOMY 04:01.275 --> 04:03.909 WE ARE TRANSFORMING OUR ECONOMY FROM MORE OF A BASIC JOB ECONOMY 04:03.911 --> 04:05.344 FROM MORE OF A BASIC JOB ECONOMY LIKE TELEMARKETING. 04:05.346 --> 04:06.345 LIKE TELEMARKETING. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT 04:06.347 --> 04:07.846 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT BUT WE'RE TAKING IT TO A 04:07.848 --> 04:09.314 BUT WE'RE TAKING IT TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF HEALTH CARE 04:09.316 --> 04:11.450 DIFFERENT LEVEL OF HEALTH CARE TO MANUFACTURING, ELECTRONICS. 04:11.452 --> 04:12.751 TO MANUFACTURING, ELECTRONICS. AND SO THERE'S MORE VESTED 04:12.753 --> 04:14.052 AND SO THERE'S MORE VESTED INTEREST IN PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING 04:14.054 --> 04:15.654 INTEREST IN PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DECIDE PUBLIC POLICY. 04:15.656 --> 04:17.723 TO DECIDE PUBLIC POLICY. AND LET ME TELL YOU, LORRAINE, 04:17.725 --> 04:19.625 AND LET ME TELL YOU, LORRAINE, PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE THIS OUTSIDE 04:19.627 --> 04:21.927 PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE THIS OUTSIDE MONEY BUT UNTIL IT'S NOT THE 04:21.929 --> 04:24.529 MONEY BUT UNTIL IT'S NOT THE LAW, THIS IS PART OF OUR 04:24.531 --> 04:25.330 LAW, THIS IS PART OF OUR CONSTITUTION. 04:25.332 --> 04:27.299 CONSTITUTION. IT'S PART OF OUR DEMOCRACY. 04:27.301 --> 04:28.800 IT'S PART OF OUR DEMOCRACY. WE CAN LIKE IT OR NOT BUT IT'S 04:28.802 --> 04:29.668 WE CAN LIKE IT OR NOT BUT IT'S HERE TO STAY. 04:29.670 --> 04:32.471 HERE TO STAY. >> WHY DO HISPANICS IN THE STATE 04:32.473 --> 04:38.310 >> WHY DO HISPANICS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, WHY HAVE WE NOT SEEN 04:38.312 --> 04:39.011 OF ARIZONA, WHY HAVE WE NOT SEEN A L 04:39.013 --> 04:40.712 A L HIGH LEVEL OF POLITICAL 04:40.714 --> 04:41.079 HIGH LEVEL OF POLITICAL CANDIDATE? 04:41.081 --> 04:42.714 CANDIDATE? WHY IS ARIZONA LEFT OUT OF THE 04:42.716 --> 04:43.115 WHY IS ARIZONA LEFT OUT OF THE MIX? 04:43.117 --> 04:45.183 MIX? >> THE SOUTHWEST HAS -- WE'VE 04:45.185 --> 04:46.451 >> THE SOUTHWEST HAS -- WE'VE LAGGED BEHIND THE SOUTHWEST IN 04:46.453 --> 04:46.918 LAGGED BEHIND THE SOUTHWEST IN THAT DEPARTMENT. 04:46.920 --> 04:48.820 THAT DEPARTMENT. A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH, 04:48.822 --> 04:51.323 A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH, FIRST OF ALL, IF LATINOS WANT TO 04:51.325 --> 04:54.359 FIRST OF ALL, IF LATINOS WANT TO GET ELECTED OR LATINAS WANT TO 04:54.361 --> 04:56.128 GET ELECTED OR LATINAS WANT TO GET ELECTED, THAT'S NUMBER ONE. 04:56.130 --> 04:57.796 GET ELECTED, THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NOW WE'RE SEEING THEM RUNNING 04:57.798 --> 04:59.364 NOW WE'RE SEEING THEM RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW, 04:59.366 --> 05:01.166 FOR OFFICE AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WE'RE PERFORMING FAIRLY WELL. 05:01.168 --> 05:02.834 WE'RE PERFORMING FAIRLY WELL. WE LOOK ACROSS THE LANDSCAPE, 05:02.836 --> 05:04.169 WE LOOK ACROSS THE LANDSCAPE, ACROSS THE STATE, WE'RE IN 05:04.171 --> 05:07.506 ACROSS THE STATE, WE'RE IN SCHOOL BOARDS, WE'RE IN COUNTY 05:07.508 --> 05:08.740 SCHOOL BOARDS, WE'RE IN COUNTY SUPERVISORY POSITIONS AND NOW 05:08.742 --> 05:10.275 SUPERVISORY POSITIONS AND NOW WE'RE RIDING FOR STATEWIDE 05:10.277 --> 05:10.609 WE'RE RIDING FOR STATEWIDE OFFICES. 05:10.611 --> 05:13.011 OFFICES. WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THE 05:13.013 --> 05:14.646 WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THE LATINO COMMUNITY HAS FINALLY 05:14.648 --> 05:17.549 LATINO COMMUNITY HAS FINALLY FLEXED ITS POLITICAL MUSCLE AND 05:17.551 --> 05:19.151 FLEXED ITS POLITICAL MUSCLE AND TELLING ITSELF, WE ARE IMPORTANT 05:19.153 --> 05:21.753 TELLING ITSELF, WE ARE IMPORTANT IN THIS ELECTORAL PROCESS. 05:21.755 --> 05:24.289 IN THIS ELECTORAL PROCESS. >> WHY DO HISPANICS 05:24.291 --> 05:25.724 >> WHY DO HISPANICS TRADITIONALLY VOTE DEMOCRATIC? 05:25.726 --> 05:27.893 TRADITIONALLY VOTE DEMOCRATIC? >> LATINOS HAVE A LONG HISTORY, 05:27.895 --> 05:30.062 >> LATINOS HAVE A LONG HISTORY, A LONG HISTORY, AS YOU KNOW, 05:30.064 --> 05:31.330 A LONG HISTORY, AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE DEMOCRAT PARTY. 05:31.332 --> 05:33.332 WITH THE DEMOCRAT PARTY. WE STILL HAVE SHRINES OF THE 05:33.334 --> 05:36.802 WE STILL HAVE SHRINES OF THE KENNEDY FAMILY IN OUR HOUSES. 05:36.804 --> 05:38.670 KENNEDY FAMILY IN OUR HOUSES. AND SO THAT HISTORY HAS STAYED 05:38.672 --> 05:39.504 AND SO THAT HISTORY HAS STAYED WITH US. 05:39.506 --> 05:42.507 WITH US. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NATIONAL 05:42.509 --> 05:46.311 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NATIONAL LANDSCAPE, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE 05:46.313 --> 05:49.147 LANDSCAPE, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE LATINO REPUBLICANS, GOVERNOR IN 05:49.149 --> 05:51.316 LATINO REPUBLICANS, GOVERNOR IN NEVADA AND NEW MEXICO, MARTINEZ, 05:51.318 --> 05:55.687 NEVADA AND NEW MEXICO, MARTINEZ, THE SENATORS IN FLORIDA AND IN 05:55.689 --> 05:57.723 THE SENATORS IN FLORIDA AND IN OTHER PLACES WHERE -- AND IN 05:57.725 --> 05:58.090 OTHER PLACES WHERE -- AND IN TEXAS. 05:58.092 --> 06:00.125 TEXAS. WHERE NOW IF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY 06:00.127 --> 06:01.860 WHERE NOW IF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS NOT CAREFUL, I THINK THE 06:01.862 --> 06:03.228 IS NOT CAREFUL, I THINK THE REPUBLICANS ARE ONTO SOMETHING 06:03.230 --> 06:04.663 REPUBLICANS ARE ONTO SOMETHING ABOUT THE TYPE OF CANDIDATE THAT 06:04.665 --> 06:07.699 ABOUT THE TYPE OF CANDIDATE THAT THEY ARE PUTTING OUT TO ATTRACT 06:07.701 --> 06:08.033 THEY ARE PUTTING OUT TO ATTRACT LATINOS. 06:08.035 --> 06:10.302 LATINOS. BUT STILL, WE ARE A LOYAL GROUP 06:10.304 --> 06:13.338 BUT STILL, WE ARE A LOYAL GROUP AND LATINOS ARE CANDIDATES 06:13.340 --> 06:15.741 AND LATINOS ARE CANDIDATES FOR -- DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES ARE 06:15.743 --> 06:17.576 FOR -- DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES ARE RIGHT ON THE ISSUE IMPORTANT TO 06:17.578 --> 06:18.110 RIGHT ON THE ISSUE IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY. 06:18.112 --> 06:20.545 OUR COMMUNITY. >> LOCALLY HERE IN ARIZONA, 06:20.547 --> 06:23.415 >> LOCALLY HERE IN ARIZONA, MARICOPA COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY 06:23.417 --> 06:25.951 MARICOPA COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY REPUBLICAN. 06:25.953 --> 06:27.819 REPUBLICAN. PIMA COUNTY MOSTLY DEMOCRAT BUT 06:27.821 --> 06:29.287 PIMA COUNTY MOSTLY DEMOCRAT BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT COULD SHIFT? 06:29.289 --> 06:31.390 YOU'RE SAYING THAT COULD SHIFT? >> I BELIEVE IF A DEMOCRAT 06:31.392 --> 06:33.125 >> I BELIEVE IF A DEMOCRAT CANDIDATE FEELS THAT THERE'S A 06:33.127 --> 06:34.626 CANDIDATE FEELS THAT THERE'S A LOSING CAUSE BECAUSE MARICOPA 06:34.628 --> 06:36.027 LOSING CAUSE BECAUSE MARICOPA COUNTY IS PREDOMINANTLY 06:36.029 --> 06:37.696 COUNTY IS PREDOMINANTLY REPUBLICAN OR HAS HAD A HISTORY 06:37.698 --> 06:39.998 REPUBLICAN OR HAS HAD A HISTORY OF IT BEING REPUBLICAN, THEN 06:40.000 --> 06:41.600 OF IT BEING REPUBLICAN, THEN THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE 06:41.602 --> 06:44.136 THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT IN OUR 06:44.138 --> 06:46.071 DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT IN OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICES, ELECTED 06:46.073 --> 06:46.438 GOVERNMENT OFFICES, ELECTED OFFICIALS. 06:46.440 --> 06:47.873 OFFICIALS. WE HAVE TO GET OVER THAT. 06:47.875 --> 06:49.241 WE HAVE TO GET OVER THAT. ARE THEY CANDIDATES? 06:49.243 --> 06:50.409 ARE THEY CANDIDATES? ARE THEY A CANDIDATE? 06:50.411 --> 06:52.644 ARE THEY A CANDIDATE? THE CANDIDATE HAS TO BE ABLE TO 06:52.646 --> 06:58.283 THE CANDIDATE HAS TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO POLITICAL AISLES 06:58.285 --> 06:59.885 REACH OUT TO POLITICAL AISLES AND ONCE THE CANDIDATE DOES 06:59.887 --> 07:01.119 AND ONCE THE CANDIDATE DOES THAT, IT IS POSSIBLE. 07:01.121 --> 07:02.254 THAT, IT IS POSSIBLE. >> ARIZONA HAS NEVER BEEN A 07:02.256 --> 07:03.555 >> ARIZONA HAS NEVER BEEN A SWING STATE BUT ARE YOU SAYING 07:03.557 --> 07:04.823 SWING STATE BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE IT 07:04.825 --> 07:05.190 THAT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE IT COULD BE? 07:05.192 --> 07:09.094 COULD BE? >> LOOK, IF I'M SITTING THERE 07:09.096 --> 07:13.832 >> LOOK, IF I'M SITTING THERE ADVISING BUSH, JEB BUSH FOR 2016 07:13.834 --> 07:17.235 ADVISING BUSH, JEB BUSH FOR 2016 OR HILLARY CLINTON ABOUT 2016, 07:17.237 --> 07:19.571 OR HILLARY CLINTON ABOUT 2016, ABOUT ARIZONA, GIVEN WHAT IS 07:19.573 --> 07:21.907 ABOUT ARIZONA, GIVEN WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, THIS IS ONE 07:21.909 --> 07:24.476 HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, THIS IS ONE STATE THAT IS ON MY RADAR SCREEN 07:24.478 --> 07:26.711 STATE THAT IS ON MY RADAR SCREEN AS A POTENTIAL SWING STATE FOR 07:26.713 --> 07:28.780 AS A POTENTIAL SWING STATE FOR THE DEMOCRATS. 07:28.782 --> 07:30.215 THE DEMOCRATS. OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONE REPUBLICAN 07:30.217 --> 07:31.183 OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONE REPUBLICAN EXCEPT FOR WHEN PRESIDENT 07:31.185 --> 07:32.584 EXCEPT FOR WHEN PRESIDENT CLINTON RAN BUT I THINK THIS 07:32.586 --> 07:34.719 CLINTON RAN BUT I THINK THIS STATE COULD BE IN PLAY IN 2016. 07:34.721 --> 07:36.288 STATE COULD BE IN PLAY IN 2016. AND THAT'S WHY THIS ELECTION IS 07:36.290 --> 07:38.190 AND THAT'S WHY THIS ELECTION IS SO IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY 07:38.192 --> 07:40.859 SO IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY PARTLY YOU HAVE SO MUCH OUTSIDE 07:40.861 --> 07:43.028 PARTLY YOU HAVE SO MUCH OUTSIDE MONEY FROM NATIONAL POLITICAL 07:43.030 --> 07:44.629 MONEY FROM NATIONAL POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT PLAY BECAUSE 07:44.631 --> 07:47.132 ORGANIZATIONS THAT PLAY BECAUSE 2016 IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL FOR 07:47.134 --> 07:50.302 2016 IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL FOR THEIR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. 07:50.304 --> 07:53.805 THEIR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. >> IS ARIZONA'S POLITICAL PATH, 07:53.807 --> 07:55.540 >> IS ARIZONA'S POLITICAL PATH, DOES THAT PLAY A FACTOR RIGHT 07:55.542 --> 07:55.807 DOES THAT PLAY A FACTOR RIGHT NOW? 07:55.809 --> 07:58.910 NOW? >> I THINK LITTLE BY LITTLE, 07:58.912 --> 08:04.616 >> I THINK LITTLE BY LITTLE, ARIZONA IS GETTING OVER THE 08:04.618 --> 08:07.452 ARIZONA IS GETTING OVER THE UNFORTUNATE, UGLY TIME PERIOD WE 08:07.454 --> 08:10.322 UNFORTUNATE, UGLY TIME PERIOD WE HAD WITH RUSSELL PEARCE AND THE 08:10.324 --> 08:13.959 HAD WITH RUSSELL PEARCE AND THE OTHER INITIATIVES WITH -- THAT 08:13.961 --> 08:19.498 OTHER INITIATIVES WITH -- THAT APPEAR TO BE ANTI-LGBT, 08:19.500 --> 08:20.232 APPEAR TO BE ANTI-LGBT, ANTI-MINORITY, WE'RE GETTING 08:20.234 --> 08:21.666 ANTI-MINORITY, WE'RE GETTING OVER THAT, IN MY OPINION. 08:21.668 --> 08:25.103 OVER THAT, IN MY OPINION. >>> HERE NOW IS MY INTERVIEW 08:25.105 --> 08:26.671 >>> HERE NOW IS MY INTERVIEW WITH A MAN WHO WAS BORN AND 08:26.673 --> 08:30.575 WITH A MAN WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN NOGALES AND SERVED AS 08:30.577 --> 08:31.877 RAISED IN NOGALES AND SERVED AS SUPERINTENDENT FOR ARIZONA 08:31.879 --> 08:32.410 SUPERINTENDENT FOR ARIZONA PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. 08:32.412 --> 08:34.746 PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. HE RUNS A GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC 08:34.748 --> 08:37.249 HE RUNS A GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS FIRM IN THE PHOENIX 08:37.251 --> 08:37.816 AFFAIRS FIRM IN THE PHOENIX AREA. 08:37.818 --> 08:43.955 AREA. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DAYS TO 08:43.957 --> 08:44.222 WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DAYS TO GO. 08:44.224 --> 08:45.757 GO. WHAT ARE THE REPUBLICANS DOING 08:45.759 --> 08:47.192 WHAT ARE THE REPUBLICANS DOING TO GEAR UP FOR THE BIG DAY? 08:47.194 --> 08:48.727 TO GEAR UP FOR THE BIG DAY? >> IT'S ALL ABOUT GETTING YOUR 08:48.729 --> 08:52.597 >> IT'S ALL ABOUT GETTING YOUR BASE OUT AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S 08:52.599 --> 08:53.865 BASE OUT AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHY I THINK DUCEY HAS AN 08:53.867 --> 08:54.232 WHY I THINK DUCEY HAS AN ADVANTAGE. 08:54.234 --> 08:55.433 ADVANTAGE. IF HE GET REPUBLICANS MOTIVATED 08:55.435 --> 08:59.237 IF HE GET REPUBLICANS MOTIVATED TO VOTE AND WE HAVE A PRETTY 08:59.239 --> 09:01.139 TO VOTE AND WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD GAP OF REPUBLICANS 09:01.141 --> 09:02.541 GOOD GAP OF REPUBLICANS OUTWEIGHING THE DEMOCRATS, YOU 09:02.543 --> 09:04.075 OUTWEIGHING THE DEMOCRATS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL 09:04.077 --> 09:04.876 KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL TO HIM. 09:04.878 --> 09:06.511 TO HIM. BUT CERTAINLY FRED DUVAL NEEDS 09:06.513 --> 09:08.179 BUT CERTAINLY FRED DUVAL NEEDS TO MAKE SURE AS MANY DEMOCRATS 09:08.181 --> 09:09.314 TO MAKE SURE AS MANY DEMOCRATS COME OUT AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE 09:09.316 --> 09:10.882 COME OUT AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T GIVE UP THAT 09:10.884 --> 09:11.349 THEY JUST CAN'T GIVE UP THAT MUCH GROUND. 09:11.351 --> 09:13.051 MUCH GROUND. >> WE HAVE A FEW CONTESTED 09:13.053 --> 09:13.351 >> WE HAVE A FEW CONTESTED RACES. 09:13.353 --> 09:15.287 RACES. ATTORNEY GENERAL, SECRETARY OF 09:15.289 --> 09:16.788 ATTORNEY GENERAL, SECRETARY OF STATE, PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. 09:16.790 --> 09:18.356 STATE, PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. WHERE DO YOU SEE THESE RACES 09:18.358 --> 09:20.158 WHERE DO YOU SEE THESE RACES GOING OR IS IT TOO EARLY TO 09:20.160 --> 09:20.458 GOING OR IS IT TOO EARLY TO TELL? 09:20.460 --> 09:21.993 TELL? >> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE 09:21.995 --> 09:22.294 >> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE TIGHT. 09:22.296 --> 09:23.795 TIGHT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME VERY 09:23.797 --> 09:25.697 WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME VERY SPIRITED CAMPAIGNS BUT I THINK 09:25.699 --> 09:27.499 SPIRITED CAMPAIGNS BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS A 09:27.501 --> 09:28.199 YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS A REPUBLICAN YEAR. 09:28.201 --> 09:30.368 REPUBLICAN YEAR. I MEAN, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF 09:30.370 --> 09:32.504 I MEAN, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF ARIZONA BUT NATIONALLY. 09:32.506 --> 09:34.606 ARIZONA BUT NATIONALLY. THERE'S A LOT OF THE POLITICAL 09:34.608 --> 09:35.941 THERE'S A LOT OF THE POLITICAL PUNDITS SORT OF THINKING THAT 09:35.943 --> 09:37.809 PUNDITS SORT OF THINKING THAT THE SENATE IS GOING TO SWING 09:37.811 --> 09:40.345 THE SENATE IS GOING TO SWING BACK TO THE REPUBLICANS, THE 09:40.347 --> 09:40.745 BACK TO THE REPUBLICANS, THE U.S. SENATE. 09:40.747 --> 09:43.114 U.S. SENATE. THEY ARE GOING TO GAIN A LOT OF 09:43.116 --> 09:45.116 THEY ARE GOING TO GAIN A LOT OF GROUND ON THE -- IN CONGRESS. 09:45.118 --> 09:46.718 GROUND ON THE -- IN CONGRESS. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO 09:46.720 --> 09:50.422 AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TRANSLATE, ESPECIALLY IN A STATE 09:50.424 --> 09:52.324 TRANSLATE, ESPECIALLY IN A STATE LIKE ARIZONA, AND IF YOU HAVE A 09:52.326 --> 09:54.492 LIKE ARIZONA, AND IF YOU HAVE A LOW VOTER TURNOUT AND YOU HAVE 09:54.494 --> 09:56.161 LOW VOTER TURNOUT AND YOU HAVE MORE REPUBLICANS FIRED UP TO 09:56.163 --> 09:58.496 MORE REPUBLICANS FIRED UP TO VOTE, IT JUST BODES WELL AND IT 09:58.498 --> 10:00.732 VOTE, IT JUST BODES WELL AND IT BODES WELL WHEN YOU GO DOWN THE 10:00.734 --> 10:01.066 BODES WELL WHEN YOU GO DOWN THE TICKET. 10:01.068 --> 10:07.606 TICKET. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, FELICIA 10:07.608 --> 10:08.907 BUT HAVING SAID THAT, FELICIA RODALINI IS A STRONG CANDIDATE 10:08.909 --> 10:11.242 RODALINI IS A STRONG CANDIDATE AND YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT 10:11.244 --> 10:17.148 AND YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT RACE IS A TOSS-UP. 10:17.150 --> 10:18.450 RACE IS A TOSS-UP. SAME THING WITH THE STATE SCHOOL 10:18.452 --> 10:18.917 SAME THING WITH THE STATE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT. 10:18.919 --> 10:20.685 SUPERINTENDENT. EVERYTHING HAS TO GO TO -- THOSE 10:20.687 --> 10:21.987 EVERYTHING HAS TO GO TO -- THOSE CAMPAIGNS HAVE TO GO RIGHT FOR 10:21.989 --> 10:23.588 CAMPAIGNS HAVE TO GO RIGHT FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO WIN AND RIGHT 10:23.590 --> 10:27.192 THE DEMOCRATS TO WIN AND RIGHT NOW I'D GIVE THE EDGE TO THE 10:27.194 --> 10:27.626 NOW I'D GIVE THE EDGE TO THE REPUBLICANS. 10:27.628 --> 10:29.027 REPUBLICANS. >> ARIZONA IS TRADITIONALLY A 10:29.029 --> 10:30.328 >> ARIZONA IS TRADITIONALLY A REPUBLICAN STATE BUT YOU'RE 10:30.330 --> 10:31.229 REPUBLICAN STATE BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS 10:31.231 --> 10:32.597 SAYING THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS NECESSARILY MEAN THE SAME THING. 10:32.599 --> 10:34.265 NECESSARILY MEAN THE SAME THING. >> NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 10:34.267 --> 10:35.000 >> NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. CANDIDATES MATTER. 10:35.002 --> 10:37.535 CANDIDATES MATTER. THE WAY THEY RUN THEIR CAMPAIGNS 10:37.537 --> 10:38.069 THE WAY THEY RUN THEIR CAMPAIGNS ABSOLUTELY MATTER. 10:38.071 --> 10:40.505 ABSOLUTELY MATTER. BUT WHEN YOU ADD 175,000 MORE 10:40.507 --> 10:42.774 BUT WHEN YOU ADD 175,000 MORE REPUBLICANS THAN DEMOCRATS, WHEN 10:42.776 --> 10:45.110 REPUBLICANS THAN DEMOCRATS, WHEN YOU ADD MOTIVATIONAL FACTORS 10:45.112 --> 10:47.178 YOU ADD MOTIVATIONAL FACTORS THERE, THE LOW PRESIDENTIAL 10:47.180 --> 10:49.014 THERE, THE LOW PRESIDENTIAL NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN LIKE AN 10:49.016 --> 10:51.116 NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN LIKE AN ANCHOR FOR DEMOCRATS, EVEN WITH 10:51.118 --> 10:53.551 ANCHOR FOR DEMOCRATS, EVEN WITH OUR CONGRESSIONAL RACES, PATRICK 10:53.553 --> 10:57.956 OUR CONGRESSIONAL RACES, PATRICK UP NORTH, IT STARTS TO HAVE A 10:57.958 --> 11:00.191 UP NORTH, IT STARTS TO HAVE A TOLL. 11:00.193 --> 11:01.693 TOLL. AND SO IF REPUBLICANS GET OUT 11:01.695 --> 11:04.462 AND SO IF REPUBLICANS GET OUT THERE, IT COULD BE A LONG NIGHT 11:04.464 --> 11:07.098 THERE, IT COULD BE A LONG NIGHT FOR THE DEMS. 11:07.100 --> 11:09.167 FOR THE DEMS. >> A LOT OF HISPANICS IN 11:09.169 --> 11:10.669 >> A LOT OF HISPANICS IN ARIZONA, THE LATINOS. 11:10.671 --> 11:11.903 ARIZONA, THE LATINOS. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS 11:11.905 --> 11:12.637 WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS TIME AROUND? 11:12.639 --> 11:17.008 TIME AROUND? >> UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S BEEN 11:17.010 --> 11:21.413 >> UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S BEEN THE ACHILLES HEEL NOT JUST FOR 11:21.415 --> 11:23.848 THE ACHILLES HEEL NOT JUST FOR THE DEMOCRATS BUT WE DON'T HAVE 11:23.850 --> 11:25.850 THE DEMOCRATS BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LATINO TURNOUT AND THAT'S 11:25.852 --> 11:27.986 ENOUGH LATINO TURNOUT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO 11:27.988 --> 11:28.553 SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS AT SOME POINT. 11:28.555 --> 11:29.921 ADDRESS AT SOME POINT. I THINK IT STEMS FROM THE WAY 11:29.923 --> 11:37.562 I THINK IT STEMS FROM THE WAY THAT WE GERRYMANDER DISTRICTS 11:37.564 --> 11:39.230 THAT WE GERRYMANDER DISTRICTS AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE 11:39.232 --> 11:41.700 AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR THE HONOR TO HAVE 11:41.702 --> 11:42.667 FIGHTING FOR THE HONOR TO HAVE LATINOS VOTE FOR THEM AND I 11:42.669 --> 11:43.868 LATINOS VOTE FOR THEM AND I THINK IT STARTS TO TAKE A TOLL. 11:43.870 --> 11:45.136 THINK IT STARTS TO TAKE A TOLL. >> ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF 11:45.138 --> 11:46.571 >> ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THINGS, WE'VE SEEN HIGH-LEVEL 11:46.573 --> 11:47.939 THINGS, WE'VE SEEN HIGH-LEVEL CANDIDATES IN NEVADA, NEW 11:47.941 --> 11:49.340 CANDIDATES IN NEVADA, NEW MEXICO, TEXAS, FLORIDA. 11:49.342 --> 11:50.709 MEXICO, TEXAS, FLORIDA. BUT ARIZONA CONTINUES TO BE LEFT 11:50.711 --> 11:51.843 BUT ARIZONA CONTINUES TO BE LEFT OUT OF THE MIX. 11:51.845 --> 11:54.746 OUT OF THE MIX. WHEN WILL WE SEE A STRONG, 11:54.748 --> 11:56.514 WHEN WILL WE SEE A STRONG, HISPANIC REPUBLICAN REPRESENT 11:56.516 --> 11:56.881 HISPANIC REPUBLICAN REPRESENT THE STATE? 11:56.883 --> 11:58.283 THE STATE? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 11:58.285 --> 12:01.886 >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. 12:01.888 --> 12:04.122 THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. IN NEVADA YOU HAVE SUSAN 12:04.124 --> 12:10.361 IN NEVADA YOU HAVE SUSAN MARTINEZ IN NEW MEXICO AND I 12:10.363 --> 12:13.031 MARTINEZ IN NEW MEXICO AND I THINK EVENTUALLY IT WILL HAPPEN 12:13.033 --> 12:15.700 THINK EVENTUALLY IT WILL HAPPEN BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU HAVE NOT 12:15.702 --> 12:17.402 BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU HAVE NOT SEEN REPUBLICANS, IN MY OPINION, 12:17.404 --> 12:18.937 SEEN REPUBLICANS, IN MY OPINION, GO AFTER THOSE CANDIDATES AND 12:18.939 --> 12:20.605 GO AFTER THOSE CANDIDATES AND RECRUIT THEM THE WAY THAT I 12:20.607 --> 12:21.473 RECRUIT THEM THE WAY THAT I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD. 12:21.475 --> 12:22.540 THINK THAT THEY SHOULD. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT MONEY. 12:22.542 --> 12:25.009 >> LET'S TALK ABOUT MONEY. EVERY YEAR WE SAY, EVERY 12:25.011 --> 12:26.211 EVERY YEAR WE SAY, EVERY ELECTION YEAR SEEMS TO BE MORE 12:26.213 --> 12:27.178 ELECTION YEAR SEEMS TO BE MORE COMING AT US. 12:27.180 --> 12:29.080 COMING AT US. THIS TIME AROUND, WE'RE REALLY 12:29.082 --> 12:30.348 THIS TIME AROUND, WE'RE REALLY TALKING SOME HEAVY CASH. 12:30.350 --> 12:32.484 TALKING SOME HEAVY CASH. SO HOW DOES THAT INFLUENCE THE 12:32.486 --> 12:32.817 SO HOW DOES THAT INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME? 12:32.819 --> 12:34.886 OUTCOME? >> OH, IT HAS A HUGE INFLUENCE. 12:34.888 --> 12:36.621 >> OH, IT HAS A HUGE INFLUENCE. BUT IT STEMS FROM THE SUPREME 12:36.623 --> 12:37.489 BUT IT STEMS FROM THE SUPREME COURT DECISION. 12:37.491 --> 12:39.257 COURT DECISION. THE CITIZENS UNITED RULING, 12:39.259 --> 12:44.729 THE CITIZENS UNITED RULING, WHICH ALLOWED FOR AN INFLUX OF 12:44.731 --> 12:45.964 WHICH ALLOWED FOR AN INFLUX OF SO-CALLED DARK MONEY, 12:45.966 --> 12:47.565 SO-CALLED DARK MONEY, INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES HAS 12:47.567 --> 12:50.435 INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURES HAS CHANGED THE WAY CAMPAIGNS ARE 12:50.437 --> 12:50.702 CHANGED THE WAY CAMPAIGNS ARE RUN. 12:50.704 --> 12:52.604 RUN. IF YOU LOOK AT ANDY TOBIN WHO IS 12:52.606 --> 12:54.372 IF YOU LOOK AT ANDY TOBIN WHO IS RUNNING IN CONGRESSIONAL 12:54.374 --> 13:01.312 RUNNING IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 1 AGAINST ANN 13:01.314 --> 13:02.647 DISTRICT 1 AGAINST ANN KIRKPATRICK, SHE'S OUTRAISED HIM 13:02.649 --> 13:03.882 KIRKPATRICK, SHE'S OUTRAISED HIM TWO TO ONE. 13:03.884 --> 13:06.785 TWO TO ONE. SOME ACCUSE TOBIN AS NOT BEING A 13:06.787 --> 13:11.589 SOME ACCUSE TOBIN AS NOT BEING A STRONG CAMPAIGNER BUT HE'S NECK 13:11.591 --> 13:13.057 STRONG CAMPAIGNER BUT HE'S NECK IN NECK WITH KIRKPATRICK. 13:13.059 --> 13:15.627 IN NECK WITH KIRKPATRICK. YOU HAVE THE U.S. CHAMBER OF 13:15.629 --> 13:17.162 YOU HAVE THE U.S. CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PUMP MILLIONS AND 13:17.164 --> 13:19.798 COMMERCE PUMP MILLIONS AND MILLIONS INTO THAT RACE AND ALL 13:19.800 --> 13:23.034 MILLIONS INTO THAT RACE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TOBIN IS 13:23.036 --> 13:24.269 OF A SUDDEN TOBIN IS NECK-AND-NECK AND SOME PEOPLE 13:24.271 --> 13:26.771 NECK-AND-NECK AND SOME PEOPLE THINK HE WILL PULL THAT OUT. 13:26.773 --> 13:33.311 THINK HE WILL PULL THAT OUT. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE OUTSIDE 13:33.313 --> 13:33.745 IF IT WASN'T FOR THE OUTSIDE EXPENDITURES. 13:33.747 --> 13:36.147 EXPENDITURES. >> THE 2016 ELECTION IS NOT FAR 13:36.149 --> 13:36.881 >> THE 2016 ELECTION IS NOT FAR AWAY. 13:36.883 --> 13:38.550 AWAY. WHAT DO YOU SEE FOR PRESIDENTIAL 13:38.552 --> 13:38.883 WHAT DO YOU SEE FOR PRESIDENTIAL RACES? 13:38.885 --> 13:41.686 RACES? >> WELL, IT WILL BE INTERESTING, 13:41.688 --> 13:43.054 >> WELL, IT WILL BE INTERESTING, BECAUSE IF CONSERVATIVES AND 13:43.056 --> 13:45.924 BECAUSE IF CONSERVATIVES AND REPUBLICANS DO AS WELL AS SOME 13:45.926 --> 13:47.959 REPUBLICANS DO AS WELL AS SOME PEOPLE ARE PREDICTING IN 13:47.961 --> 13:51.629 PEOPLE ARE PREDICTING IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, THEN I 13:51.631 --> 13:54.465 NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, THEN I THINK IT MIGHT HEARTEN PEOPLE 13:54.467 --> 13:58.670 THINK IT MIGHT HEARTEN PEOPLE LIKE A RAND PAUL OR TED CRUZ TO 13:58.672 --> 14:00.338 LIKE A RAND PAUL OR TED CRUZ TO SAY THERE'S A NATIONAL 14:00.340 --> 14:01.506 SAY THERE'S A NATIONAL REFERENDUM, WE NEED TO HAVE 14:01.508 --> 14:02.574 REFERENDUM, WE NEED TO HAVE STRONG CONSERVATIVES. 14:02.576 --> 14:04.442 STRONG CONSERVATIVES. WE NEED TO HAVE REAL 14:04.444 --> 14:05.310 WE NEED TO HAVE REAL QUOTE/UNQUOTE REPUBLICANS. 14:05.312 --> 14:08.213 QUOTE/UNQUOTE REPUBLICANS. AND SO IT WILL LEAD THEM, IN MY 14:08.215 --> 14:09.681 AND SO IT WILL LEAD THEM, IN MY OPINION, TO GO AFTER THE CHRIS 14:09.683 --> 14:11.416 OPINION, TO GO AFTER THE CHRIS CHRISTIES AND GO AFTER THE MORE 14:11.418 --> 14:12.717 CHRISTIES AND GO AFTER THE MORE MODERATE WING AND SAY, 14:12.719 --> 14:14.552 MODERATE WING AND SAY, REPUBLICANS CAN WIN IF WE STAY 14:14.554 --> 14:17.789 REPUBLICANS CAN WIN IF WE STAY TRUE AND HAVE THE REAL SO-CALLED 14:17.791 --> 14:19.057 TRUE AND HAVE THE REAL SO-CALLED CONSERVATIVES RUNNING AND I 14:19.059 --> 14:20.225 CONSERVATIVES RUNNING AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AN 14:20.227 --> 14:21.626 THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON SOME PEOPLE'S 14:21.628 --> 14:22.493 INFLUENCE ON SOME PEOPLE'S DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY 14:22.495 --> 14:23.161 DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO WIN. 14:23.163 --> 14:24.729 WANT TO WIN. >> ARIZONA IS NOT A SWING STATE. 14:24.731 --> 14:27.465 >> ARIZONA IS NOT A SWING STATE. SHOULD POLITICIANS, SHOULD BIG 14:27.467 --> 14:29.167 SHOULD POLITICIANS, SHOULD BIG PARTIES BE LOOKING AT IT SAYING 14:29.169 --> 14:30.368 PARTIES BE LOOKING AT IT SAYING WE NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION? 14:30.370 --> 14:31.169 WE NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION? >> ABSOLUTELY. 14:31.171 --> 14:32.604 >> ABSOLUTELY. FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. 14:32.606 --> 14:36.274 FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ARIZONA IS STILL GROWING AND OUR 14:36.276 --> 14:39.210 ARIZONA IS STILL GROWING AND OUR ELECTORAL COLLEGE CONTINUES TO 14:39.212 --> 14:39.510 ELECTORAL COLLEGE CONTINUES TO GROW. 14:39.512 --> 14:41.512 GROW. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A BIG LATINO 14:41.514 --> 14:42.914 BUT WE ALSO HAVE A BIG LATINO POPULATION AND I THINK IF YOU 14:42.916 --> 14:44.682 POPULATION AND I THINK IF YOU HAVE NATIONAL CANDIDATES DO WELL 14:44.684 --> 14:46.484 HAVE NATIONAL CANDIDATES DO WELL IN ARIZONA, AND ALSO ARIZONA IS 14:46.486 --> 14:48.353 IN ARIZONA, AND ALSO ARIZONA IS ONE OF THE EARLY PRIMARY STATES, 14:48.355 --> 14:49.954 ONE OF THE EARLY PRIMARY STATES, TOO, YOU DO WELL IN ARIZONA, 14:49.956 --> 14:52.023 TOO, YOU DO WELL IN ARIZONA, THAT'S A MICROCOSM OF HOW WELL 14:52.025 --> 14:53.825 THAT'S A MICROCOSM OF HOW WELL YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IN THE 14:53.827 --> 14:54.225 YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IN THE WEST. 14:54.227 --> 14:57.262 WEST. AND SO I THINK ARIZONA'S STATURE 14:57.264 --> 14:58.296 AND SO I THINK ARIZONA'S STATURE IS STARTING TO GROW JUST FOR 14:58.298 --> 14:59.831 IS STARTING TO GROW JUST FOR THAT REASON. 14:59.833 --> 15:03.468 THAT REASON. ¶ 15:03.470 --> 15:05.236 ¶ >> THE BUZZ NOW JOINING US FROM 15:05.238 --> 15:07.572 >> THE BUZZ NOW JOINING US FROM PHOENIX IS MARY JOE PISTOL, THE 15:07.574 --> 15:08.539 PHOENIX IS MARY JOE PISTOL, THE ARIZONA STATE GOVERNMENT 15:08.541 --> 15:09.841 ARIZONA STATE GOVERNMENT REPORTER AT THE ARIZONA 15:09.843 --> 15:10.208 REPORTER AT THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC. 15:10.210 --> 15:16.247 REPUBLIC. AND MY COLLEAGUE, CHRISTOPHER 15:16.249 --> 15:16.581 AND MY COLLEAGUE, CHRISTOPHER CONOVER. 15:16.583 --> 15:18.683 CONOVER. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. 15:18.685 --> 15:22.620 THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. MARY JO, NEW POLLS ARE COMING 15:22.622 --> 15:22.887 MARY JO, NEW POLLS ARE COMING OUT? 15:22.889 --> 15:26.391 OUT? >> THE CONSENSUS POLLS SHOW THAT 15:26.393 --> 15:28.326 >> THE CONSENSUS POLLS SHOW THAT THE REPUBLICAN DOUG DUCEY HAS A 15:28.328 --> 15:32.463 THE REPUBLICAN DOUG DUCEY HAS A DECENT LEAD IN THE GOVERNOR'S 15:32.465 --> 15:32.764 DECENT LEAD IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE. 15:32.766 --> 15:34.966 RACE. SOME PEOPLE EXPECT HIM TO WIN BY 15:34.968 --> 15:36.701 SOME PEOPLE EXPECT HIM TO WIN BY AS MUCH AS 7 TO 8 POINTS. 15:36.703 --> 15:38.469 AS MUCH AS 7 TO 8 POINTS. FRED DUVAL'S CAMPAIGN PUSHES 15:38.471 --> 15:40.371 FRED DUVAL'S CAMPAIGN PUSHES BACK SAYING THAT THEY SEE OTHER 15:40.373 --> 15:41.773 BACK SAYING THAT THEY SEE OTHER POLLING THAT IT'S A VERY TIGHT 15:41.775 --> 15:44.208 POLLING THAT IT'S A VERY TIGHT RACE AND IT WILL ALL TURN ON 15:44.210 --> 15:45.877 RACE AND IT WILL ALL TURN ON INDEPENDENTS AND DEMOCRATS 15:45.879 --> 15:47.345 INDEPENDENTS AND DEMOCRATS GETTING OUT TO VOTE. 15:47.347 --> 15:49.113 GETTING OUT TO VOTE. THEY ARE NOT AS READY TO RETURN 15:49.115 --> 15:51.015 THEY ARE NOT AS READY TO RETURN THEIR EARLY BALLOTS AS 15:51.017 --> 15:51.416 THEIR EARLY BALLOTS AS REPUBLICANS. 15:51.418 --> 15:53.251 REPUBLICANS. BUT I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT IT 15:53.253 --> 15:56.187 BUT I WOULD SAY AT THIS POINT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LEANING TOWARDS 15:56.189 --> 15:56.521 LOOKS LIKE IT'S LEANING TOWARDS DUCEY. 15:56.523 --> 15:57.822 DUCEY. >> AND CHRISTOPHER, YOU SEEM TO 15:57.824 --> 15:59.190 >> AND CHRISTOPHER, YOU SEEM TO BELIEVE THE SAME THING, BASED ON 15:59.192 --> 15:59.958 BELIEVE THE SAME THING, BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SEEING? 15:59.960 --> 16:02.360 WHAT YOU'RE SEEING? >> BASED ON THE POLLS THAT MARY 16:02.362 --> 16:04.095 >> BASED ON THE POLLS THAT MARY JO AND I ARE SEEING APPARENTLY 16:04.097 --> 16:04.896 JO AND I ARE SEEING APPARENTLY THE SAME POLLS. 16:04.898 --> 16:06.564 THE SAME POLLS. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 16:06.566 --> 16:09.367 THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AND ALSO, AT LEAST HERE IN 16:09.369 --> 16:13.404 AND ALSO, AT LEAST HERE IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, DEMOCRATS TEND 16:13.406 --> 16:15.773 SOUTHERN ARIZONA, DEMOCRATS TEND TO GET THEIR BALLOTS BACK 16:15.775 --> 16:18.309 TO GET THEIR BALLOTS BACK EARLIER AND REPUBLICANS TEND TO 16:18.311 --> 16:20.411 EARLIER AND REPUBLICANS TEND TO COME OUT AND VOTE ON ELECTION 16:20.413 --> 16:21.245 COME OUT AND VOTE ON ELECTION DAY. 16:21.247 --> 16:24.949 DAY. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CD-2 RACE, 16:24.951 --> 16:26.351 FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE CD-2 RACE, WHERE THE REPUBLICAN IN THAT 16:26.353 --> 16:27.885 WHERE THE REPUBLICAN IN THAT RACE WILL WIN ELECTION DAY BUT 16:27.887 --> 16:29.721 RACE WILL WIN ELECTION DAY BUT IT'S THE EARLY BALLOTS THAT 16:29.723 --> 16:31.022 IT'S THE EARLY BALLOTS THAT PUSHES THE DEMOCRAT OVER. 16:31.024 --> 16:33.291 PUSHES THE DEMOCRAT OVER. SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS 16:33.293 --> 16:34.492 SO WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS ALL PLAYS OUT. 16:34.494 --> 16:36.527 ALL PLAYS OUT. I GUESS WE'RE DOWN TO THE POINT 16:36.529 --> 16:37.929 I GUESS WE'RE DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE ONLY ONE POLL MATTERS AND 16:37.931 --> 16:39.464 WHERE ONLY ONE POLL MATTERS AND THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE ALL WAITING 16:39.466 --> 16:42.867 THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE ALL WAITING FOR TUESDAY NIGHT AT 8:00. 16:42.869 --> 16:44.402 FOR TUESDAY NIGHT AT 8:00. >> AND CHRISTOPHER, IN THE 16:44.404 --> 16:46.004 >> AND CHRISTOPHER, IN THE PROGRAM WE SAW SOME STRATEGISTS 16:46.006 --> 16:47.305 PROGRAM WE SAW SOME STRATEGISTS TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING 16:47.307 --> 16:48.773 TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE 16:48.775 --> 16:50.742 BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE CAMPAIGN AND IT'S THAT LAST BIT 16:50.744 --> 16:52.977 CAMPAIGN AND IT'S THAT LAST BIT OF REACH TO VOTERS WHO ARE 16:52.979 --> 16:55.046 OF REACH TO VOTERS WHO ARE UNDECIDED OR MAYBE GOING TO THE 16:55.048 --> 16:55.546 UNDECIDED OR MAYBE GOING TO THE POLLS ON TUESDAY. 16:55.548 --> 16:58.416 POLLS ON TUESDAY. >> WE'RE INTO THE BARNSTORM 16:58.418 --> 16:59.283 >> WE'RE INTO THE BARNSTORM PORTION. 16:59.285 --> 17:01.486 PORTION. TERRY GODDARD, THE DEMOCRAT 17:01.488 --> 17:03.788 TERRY GODDARD, THE DEMOCRAT RUNNING FOR SECRETARY OF STATE, 17:03.790 --> 17:06.958 RUNNING FOR SECRETARY OF STATE, IS ON A STATEWIDE TOUR. 17:06.960 --> 17:09.594 IS ON A STATEWIDE TOUR. DOUG DUCEY KICKED ONE OFF TODAY 17:09.596 --> 17:10.461 DOUG DUCEY KICKED ONE OFF TODAY HERE IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA. 17:10.463 --> 17:12.864 HERE IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA. HE'S APPEARING WITH A NUMBER OF 17:12.866 --> 17:13.998 HE'S APPEARING WITH A NUMBER OF CANDIDATES THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN 17:14.000 --> 17:14.332 CANDIDATES THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN ARIZONA. 17:14.334 --> 17:16.167 ARIZONA. FRED DUVAL IS HERE IN SOUTHERN 17:16.169 --> 17:18.536 FRED DUVAL IS HERE IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA WITH DR. JILL BIDEN, THE 17:18.538 --> 17:20.538 ARIZONA WITH DR. JILL BIDEN, THE VICE PRESIDENT'S WIFE STUMPING 17:20.540 --> 17:21.372 VICE PRESIDENT'S WIFE STUMPING WITH DEMOCRATS. 17:21.374 --> 17:23.908 WITH DEMOCRATS. WE'RE TO THAT POINT WHERE 17:23.910 --> 17:26.744 WE'RE TO THAT POINT WHERE IT'S -- SHAKE AS MANY HANDS AS 17:26.746 --> 17:27.478 IT'S -- SHAKE AS MANY HANDS AS YOU CAN AND GET AS MANY PEOPLE 17:27.480 --> 17:29.213 YOU CAN AND GET AS MANY PEOPLE TO EITHER SEND IN THOSE BALLOTS 17:29.215 --> 17:30.348 TO EITHER SEND IN THOSE BALLOTS OR VOTE ON TUESDAY. 17:30.350 --> 17:31.649 OR VOTE ON TUESDAY. >> MARY JO, YOU HAVE BEEN DOING 17:31.651 --> 17:32.617 >> MARY JO, YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE NOW. 17:32.619 --> 17:34.719 THIS FOR A WHILE NOW. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT THIS LAST 17:34.721 --> 17:36.054 HAVE YOU SEEN THAT THIS LAST MINUTE PUSH CAN MAKE A 17:36.056 --> 17:37.255 MINUTE PUSH CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR A CANDIDATE? 17:37.257 --> 17:38.890 DIFFERENCE FOR A CANDIDATE? >> OH, IT DEFINITELY CAN. 17:38.892 --> 17:40.925 >> OH, IT DEFINITELY CAN. ESPECIALLY IN VERY CLOSE RACES. 17:40.927 --> 17:42.427 ESPECIALLY IN VERY CLOSE RACES. THIS MIGHT MATTER MORE IN 17:42.429 --> 17:44.028 THIS MIGHT MATTER MORE IN LEGISLATIVE RACES WHERE YOU HAVE 17:44.030 --> 17:45.596 LEGISLATIVE RACES WHERE YOU HAVE A MUCH SMALLER POOL OF A 17:45.598 --> 17:47.331 A MUCH SMALLER POOL OF A UNIVERSE OF VOTERS THAT WOULD 17:47.333 --> 17:48.099 UNIVERSE OF VOTERS THAT WOULD DETERMINE IT. 17:48.101 --> 17:49.567 DETERMINE IT. YEAH, IT DEFINITELY CAN MAKE A 17:49.569 --> 17:49.967 YEAH, IT DEFINITELY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 17:49.969 --> 17:51.369 DIFFERENCE. >> AND WITH THAT LAST-MINUTE 17:51.371 --> 17:53.371 >> AND WITH THAT LAST-MINUTE PUSH, WE'RE ALSO SEEING HEAVY 17:53.373 --> 17:54.772 PUSH, WE'RE ALSO SEEING HEAVY CAMPAIGNING THROUGH THE 17:54.774 --> 17:55.940 CAMPAIGNING THROUGH THE AIRWAVES, RADIO AND TELEVISION. 17:55.942 --> 17:57.742 AIRWAVES, RADIO AND TELEVISION. A LOT OF MONEY THAT IT'S TAKING 17:57.744 --> 18:00.845 A LOT OF MONEY THAT IT'S TAKING TO REALLY MAKE THESE RACES 18:00.847 --> 18:01.145 TO REALLY MAKE THESE RACES COUNT. 18:01.147 --> 18:03.848 COUNT. WE'RE TALKING UPWARD OF 26 18:03.850 --> 18:04.215 WE'RE TALKING UPWARD OF 26 MILLION. 18:04.217 --> 18:05.950 MILLION. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING 18:05.952 --> 18:06.350 IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING CHRISTOPHER? 18:06.352 --> 18:07.618 CHRISTOPHER? >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING. 18:07.620 --> 18:09.487 >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS 18:09.489 --> 18:11.155 MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS COMING IN FROM OUTSIDE AND THE 18:11.157 --> 18:12.623 COMING IN FROM OUTSIDE AND THE CANDIDATES, ALSO, HAVE PLENTY OF 18:12.625 --> 18:14.459 CANDIDATES, ALSO, HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY THAT THEY ARE SPENDING. 18:14.461 --> 18:17.495 MONEY THAT THEY ARE SPENDING. SO FOR A COUPLE MORE DAYS, OUR 18:17.497 --> 18:19.130 SO FOR A COUPLE MORE DAYS, OUR AIRWAVES ARE GOING TO BE 18:19.132 --> 18:19.497 AIRWAVES ARE GOING TO BE INUNDATED. 18:19.499 --> 18:20.698 INUNDATED. THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF 18:20.700 --> 18:21.833 THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF OPEN SPACE LEFT IF SOMEBODY 18:21.835 --> 18:24.402 OPEN SPACE LEFT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUY A LAST-MINUTE AD. 18:24.404 --> 18:26.704 WANTED TO BUY A LAST-MINUTE AD. IT'S PROBABLY NOT AVAILABLE AT 18:26.706 --> 18:27.105 IT'S PROBABLY NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS POINT. 18:27.107 --> 18:29.774 THIS POINT. >> MARY JO, IN THE PHOENIX AREA, 18:29.776 --> 18:31.409 >> MARY JO, IN THE PHOENIX AREA, I IMAGINE YOU'RE SEEING THOSE 18:31.411 --> 18:32.877 I IMAGINE YOU'RE SEEING THOSE ADS HIT THE AIRWAVES AS WELL? 18:32.879 --> 18:35.913 ADS HIT THE AIRWAVES AS WELL? >> OH, YEAH. 18:35.915 --> 18:39.250 >> OH, YEAH. YOU'RE SEEING CD-1 DOWN IN PINAL 18:39.252 --> 18:41.018 YOU'RE SEEING CD-1 DOWN IN PINAL COUNTY AND THE STATEWIDE MARKET 18:41.020 --> 18:42.086 COUNTY AND THE STATEWIDE MARKET COMES OUT OF PHOENIX. 18:42.088 --> 18:44.222 COMES OUT OF PHOENIX. YOU TUNE IN AT THE 10:00 HOUR AT 18:44.224 --> 18:46.958 YOU TUNE IN AT THE 10:00 HOUR AT NIGHT AND IT'S SOLID POLITICAL 18:46.960 --> 18:47.225 NIGHT AND IT'S SOLID POLITICAL ADS. 18:47.227 --> 18:48.893 ADS. I SHOULD ADD THAT THE 26 MILLION 18:48.895 --> 18:51.496 I SHOULD ADD THAT THE 26 MILLION IS IN OUTSIDE SPENDING. 18:51.498 --> 18:53.631 IS IN OUTSIDE SPENDING. AS CHRISTOPHER NOTED, ON TOP OF 18:53.633 --> 18:54.532 AS CHRISTOPHER NOTED, ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE THE MONEY THAT 18:54.534 --> 18:56.200 THAT, YOU HAVE THE MONEY THAT THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES ARE 18:56.202 --> 18:56.601 THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES ARE SPENDING. 18:56.603 --> 18:59.237 SPENDING. THIS IS ADDING UP TO BE A VERY 18:59.239 --> 19:00.805 THIS IS ADDING UP TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE ELECTION BUT THE 19:00.807 --> 19:02.106 EXPENSIVE ELECTION BUT THE BIGGER MONEY WILL COME FROM 19:02.108 --> 19:05.843 BIGGER MONEY WILL COME FROM OUTSIDE AND BY OUTSIDE MONEY, WE 19:05.845 --> 19:08.045 OUTSIDE AND BY OUTSIDE MONEY, WE MEAN POLITICAL ACTION 19:08.047 --> 19:08.813 MEAN POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES, INDEPENDENT 19:08.815 --> 19:10.281 COMMITTEES, INDEPENDENT EXPENDITURE COMMITTEES, SOME WHO 19:10.283 --> 19:11.849 EXPENDITURE COMMITTEES, SOME WHO DISCLOSE THEIR DONORS, OTHERS 19:11.851 --> 19:12.683 DISCLOSE THEIR DONORS, OTHERS WHO DON'T. 19:12.685 --> 19:15.286 WHO DON'T. THAT COULD SEND THEM IN THE DARK 19:15.288 --> 19:17.788 THAT COULD SEND THEM IN THE DARK CATEGORY MONEY, WHICH HAS BEEN 19:17.790 --> 19:24.629 CATEGORY MONEY, WHICH HAS BEEN ANOTHER THEME RUNNING THROUGHOUT 19:24.631 --> 19:26.297 ANOTHER THEME RUNNING THROUGHOUT THIS ELECTION SIGHICYCLE. 19:26.299 --> 19:29.901 THIS ELECTION SIGHICYCLE. >> FELICIA RODALINI DECLINED THE 19:29.903 --> 19:30.201 >> FELICIA RODALINI DECLINED THE MONEY? 19:30.203 --> 19:32.436 MONEY? >> DARK MONEY HAS BECOME AN 19:32.438 --> 19:34.305 >> DARK MONEY HAS BECOME AN ISSUE IN THESE RACES. 19:34.307 --> 19:36.774 ISSUE IN THESE RACES. WE HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT IT IN 19:36.776 --> 19:39.010 WE HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT IT IN THE GOVERNOR ISSUE BUT IN THE 19:39.012 --> 19:40.711 THE GOVERNOR ISSUE BUT IN THE SECRETARY OF STATE RACE AND IN 19:40.713 --> 19:42.046 SECRETARY OF STATE RACE AND IN THE CORPORATION COMMISSION RACE, 19:42.048 --> 19:44.582 THE CORPORATION COMMISSION RACE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT DARK 19:44.584 --> 19:48.653 WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT DARK MONEY. 19:48.655 --> 19:50.021 MONEY. RODALIN ICH 19:50.023 --> 19:50.755 RODALIN ICH RODALINI HAS TURNED DOWN MONEY 19:50.757 --> 19:52.557 RODALINI HAS TURNED DOWN MONEY FROM THE DARK MONEY ACCOUNTS, IT 19:52.559 --> 19:58.396 FROM THE DARK MONEY ACCOUNTS, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND TERRY GODDARD 19:58.398 --> 20:00.965 LOOKS LIKE, AND TERRY GODDARD WAS A RECIPIENT AGAINST THE DARK 20:00.967 --> 20:01.966 WAS A RECIPIENT AGAINST THE DARK MONEY ORGANIZATION. 20:01.968 --> 20:06.370 MONEY ORGANIZATION. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF DARK MONEY 20:06.372 --> 20:07.338 SO THERE'S PLENTY OF DARK MONEY NOTING AROUND. 20:07.340 --> 20:09.941 NOTING AROUND. SOME OF THESE -- I DON'T WANT TO 20:09.943 --> 20:11.809 SOME OF THESE -- I DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM SECOND-TIER RACES BUT 20:11.811 --> 20:13.611 CALL THEM SECOND-TIER RACES BUT RACES BELOW THE GOVERNOR RACE. 20:13.613 --> 20:15.713 RACES BELOW THE GOVERNOR RACE. >> AND THEY TALK ABOUT EVERY 20:15.715 --> 20:17.114 >> AND THEY TALK ABOUT EVERY ELECTION IT'S MORE MONEY EVERY 20:17.116 --> 20:18.182 ELECTION IT'S MORE MONEY EVERY SINGLE ELECTION. 20:18.184 --> 20:19.750 SINGLE ELECTION. SO AT WHAT POINT WILL IT HIT 20:19.752 --> 20:20.785 SO AT WHAT POINT WILL IT HIT THAT PEAK? 20:20.787 --> 20:22.453 THAT PEAK? AND ONE OF THEM SAYS IT'S THEIR 20:22.455 --> 20:24.055 AND ONE OF THEM SAYS IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO SPEND 20:24.057 --> 20:24.388 RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY. 20:24.390 --> 20:25.223 MONEY. MARY JO? 20:25.225 --> 20:26.691 MARY JO? >> OH, IT'S DEFINITELY THEIR 20:26.693 --> 20:26.991 >> OH, IT'S DEFINITELY THEIR RIGHT. 20:26.993 --> 20:28.826 RIGHT. IN FACT, A LOT OF THIS GOES BACK 20:28.828 --> 20:30.861 IN FACT, A LOT OF THIS GOES BACK TO THE CITIZENS UNITED RULING 20:30.863 --> 20:33.431 TO THE CITIZENS UNITED RULING FROM THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IN 20:33.433 --> 20:35.533 FROM THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IN 2010 WHICH BASICALLY SAID THAT 20:35.535 --> 20:37.969 2010 WHICH BASICALLY SAID THAT THERE CANNOT BE LIMITS ON 20:37.971 --> 20:39.170 THERE CANNOT BE LIMITS ON CORPORATIONS AND OTHER GROUPS IN 20:39.172 --> 20:41.739 CORPORATIONS AND OTHER GROUPS IN TERMS OF THEIR CAMPAIGN 20:41.741 --> 20:42.106 TERMS OF THEIR CAMPAIGN SPENDING. 20:42.108 --> 20:45.109 SPENDING. THEN YOU HAD THAT OVERLAID WITH 20:45.111 --> 20:47.945 THEN YOU HAD THAT OVERLAID WITH SOME OF THE IRS RULES THAT RULED 20:47.947 --> 20:49.247 SOME OF THE IRS RULES THAT RULED POLITICAL NONPROFITS WHICH DO 20:49.249 --> 20:51.148 POLITICAL NONPROFITS WHICH DO NOT HAVE TO DISCLOSE THEIR 20:51.150 --> 20:53.384 NOT HAVE TO DISCLOSE THEIR DONORS IF AT LEAST 51% OF THEIR 20:53.386 --> 20:54.919 DONORS IF AT LEAST 51% OF THEIR ACTIVITY IS FOR A SOCIAL WELFARE 20:54.921 --> 20:55.219 ACTIVITY IS FOR A SOCIAL WELFARE CAUSE. 20:55.221 --> 20:56.587 CAUSE. THAT MEANS THEY CAN SPEND THE 20:56.589 --> 20:58.155 THAT MEANS THEY CAN SPEND THE REST ON POLITICAL ACTIVITIES 20:58.157 --> 20:59.757 REST ON POLITICAL ACTIVITIES WITHOUT NAMING WHO THEIR DONORS 20:59.759 --> 21:00.024 WITHOUT NAMING WHO THEIR DONORS ARE. 21:00.026 --> 21:02.393 ARE. SO IT'S CERTAINLY ALL VERY 21:02.395 --> 21:02.693 SO IT'S CERTAINLY ALL VERY LEGAL. 21:02.695 --> 21:04.428 LEGAL. I THINK THE CONCERN IS THAT, YOU 21:04.430 --> 21:06.264 I THINK THE CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE, IT HELPS TO KNOW WHO 21:06.266 --> 21:08.132 KNOW, ONE, IT HELPS TO KNOW WHO THESE OUTSIDE INFLUENCES ARE FOR 21:08.134 --> 21:10.735 THESE OUTSIDE INFLUENCES ARE FOR THE MEDIA, FOR THE PUBLIC TO 21:10.737 --> 21:13.070 THE MEDIA, FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHO MIGHT BE TRYING 21:13.072 --> 21:15.039 UNDERSTAND WHO MIGHT BE TRYING TO PULL WHOSE STRINGS AND, 21:15.041 --> 21:16.274 TO PULL WHOSE STRINGS AND, SECONDLY, JUST THE MAGNITUDE OF 21:16.276 --> 21:16.807 SECONDLY, JUST THE MAGNITUDE OF THE MONEY. 21:16.809 --> 21:18.342 THE MONEY. YOU DO WONDER WHERE IT'S GOING 21:18.344 --> 21:19.143 YOU DO WONDER WHERE IT'S GOING TO STOP. 21:19.145 --> 21:20.311 TO STOP. >> ONE OF THE INTERESTING 21:20.313 --> 21:22.546 >> ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS, LORRAINE, I LOOKED AT 21:22.548 --> 21:24.915 THINGS, LORRAINE, I LOOKED AT THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 2 21:24.917 --> 21:26.183 THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 2 SPENDING, WHICH IS NOT A 21:26.185 --> 21:27.618 SPENDING, WHICH IS NOT A STATEWIDE RACE, AT THE BEGINNING 21:27.620 --> 21:29.854 STATEWIDE RACE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS WEEK. 21:29.856 --> 21:31.822 OF THIS WEEK. CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 2 AND 1 21:31.824 --> 21:33.858 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 2 AND 1 WERE IN THE TOP TEN OF SPENDING 21:33.860 --> 21:35.459 WERE IN THE TOP TEN OF SPENDING FOR CONGRESSIONAL RACES IN THE 21:35.461 --> 21:35.793 FOR CONGRESSIONAL RACES IN THE NATION. 21:35.795 --> 21:37.528 NATION. AND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 1 AT 21:37.530 --> 21:39.430 AND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 1 AT THE VERY END OF LAST WEEK HAD 21:39.432 --> 21:41.332 THE VERY END OF LAST WEEK HAD THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF OUTSIDE 21:41.334 --> 21:42.800 THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF OUTSIDE MONEY BEING SPENT ON ANY 21:42.802 --> 21:44.101 MONEY BEING SPENT ON ANY CONGRESSIONAL RACE IN THE 21:44.103 --> 21:44.435 CONGRESSIONAL RACE IN THE NATION. 21:44.437 --> 21:46.070 NATION. NOW, THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED. 21:46.072 --> 21:47.638 NOW, THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED. WE WERE WATCHING SPENDING 21:47.640 --> 21:50.374 WE WERE WATCHING SPENDING UPWARDS OF $1 MILLION A DAY IN 21:50.376 --> 21:51.709 UPWARDS OF $1 MILLION A DAY IN SOME OF THE RACES EVEN IN 21:51.711 --> 21:53.077 SOME OF THE RACES EVEN IN ARIZONA BY OUTSIDE GROUPS SO 21:53.079 --> 21:54.278 ARIZONA BY OUTSIDE GROUPS SO THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED BUT 21:54.280 --> 21:57.348 THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED BUT EARLIER THIS WEEK, CD 1 WAS THE 21:57.350 --> 21:58.849 EARLIER THIS WEEK, CD 1 WAS THE MOST EXPENSIVE OUTSIDE MONEY 21:58.851 --> 21:59.784 MOST EXPENSIVE OUTSIDE MONEY RACE IN THE NATION. 21:59.786 --> 22:01.252 RACE IN THE NATION. >> CHRIS, YOU'VE BEEN COVERING 22:01.254 --> 22:03.321 >> CHRIS, YOU'VE BEEN COVERING THAT RACE PRETTY EXTENSIVELY. 22:03.323 --> 22:04.789 THAT RACE PRETTY EXTENSIVELY. WHY SPEND SO MUCH MONEY ON 22:04.791 --> 22:05.623 WHY SPEND SO MUCH MONEY ON KEEPING THAT SEAT? 22:05.625 --> 22:07.658 KEEPING THAT SEAT? >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING SEAT 22:07.660 --> 22:10.027 >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING SEAT BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS DRAWN. 22:10.029 --> 22:11.329 BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS DRAWN. IT TOUCHES SOUTHERN ARIZONA, 22:11.331 --> 22:13.831 IT TOUCHES SOUTHERN ARIZONA, NORTHERN PIMA COUNTY AND ALL THE 22:13.833 --> 22:15.933 NORTHERN PIMA COUNTY AND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE UTAH BORDER. 22:15.935 --> 22:17.868 WAY UP TO THE UTAH BORDER. SO TO BUY AN AD IN THAT RACE, 22:17.870 --> 22:19.937 SO TO BUY AN AD IN THAT RACE, YOU HAVE TO BUY IN THE PHOENIX 22:19.939 --> 22:21.205 YOU HAVE TO BUY IN THE PHOENIX MARKET AND YOU HAVE TO BUY IN 22:21.207 --> 22:22.440 MARKET AND YOU HAVE TO BUY IN THE FLAGSTAFF MARKET AND YOU 22:22.442 --> 22:24.675 THE FLAGSTAFF MARKET AND YOU HAVE TO BUY IN THE TUCSON 22:24.677 --> 22:25.009 HAVE TO BUY IN THE TUCSON MARKET. 22:25.011 --> 22:26.444 MARKET. YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT MARKETS 22:26.446 --> 22:27.745 YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT MARKETS YOU HAVE TO BUY IN. 22:27.747 --> 22:29.780 YOU HAVE TO BUY IN. PLUS, ALL OF YOUR MAILING AND 22:29.782 --> 22:30.414 PLUS, ALL OF YOUR MAILING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 22:30.416 --> 22:32.683 EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IT'S JUST A MORE EXPENSIVE 22:32.685 --> 22:34.785 SO IT'S JUST A MORE EXPENSIVE MARKET TO GET INTO OR MORE 22:34.787 --> 22:36.387 MARKET TO GET INTO OR MORE EXPENSIVE RACE TO GET INTO. 22:36.389 --> 22:37.088 EXPENSIVE RACE TO GET INTO. >> MARY JO -- 22:37.090 --> 22:38.322 >> MARY JO -- >> AND I THINK THAT -- 22:38.324 --> 22:39.156 >> AND I THINK THAT -- >> GO AHEAD. 22:39.158 --> 22:39.557 >> GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. 22:39.559 --> 22:41.659 I'M SORRY. >> I THINK THAT RACE IS ALSO 22:41.661 --> 22:43.227 >> I THINK THAT RACE IS ALSO HOTLY CONTESTED BECAUSE IT'S 22:43.229 --> 22:44.929 HOTLY CONTESTED BECAUSE IT'S FLIPPED BETWEEN REPUBLICAN AND 22:44.931 --> 22:48.099 FLIPPED BETWEEN REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT IN RECENT YEARS AND 22:48.101 --> 22:49.667 DEMOCRAT IN RECENT YEARS AND KIRKPATRICK HAD IT IN 2010. 22:49.669 --> 22:53.270 KIRKPATRICK HAD IT IN 2010. SHE LOST THE SEAT IN 2012. 22:53.272 --> 22:55.539 SHE LOST THE SEAT IN 2012. NO, I GOT IT BACKWARDS. 22:55.541 --> 22:57.608 NO, I GOT IT BACKWARDS. ANYWAY, IF SHE CAN WIN THIS IN 22:57.610 --> 23:00.010 ANYWAY, IF SHE CAN WIN THIS IN TWO CYCLES CONSECUTIVELY, THAT 23:00.012 --> 23:01.612 TWO CYCLES CONSECUTIVELY, THAT MIGHT SORT OF CEMENT IT FOR A 23:01.614 --> 23:02.213 MIGHT SORT OF CEMENT IT FOR A WHILE TO COME. 23:02.215 --> 23:04.014 WHILE TO COME. SO THE REPUBLICANS REALLY WANT 23:04.016 --> 23:05.282 SO THE REPUBLICANS REALLY WANT TO GET THEIR PERSON IN THERE. 23:05.284 --> 23:07.051 TO GET THEIR PERSON IN THERE. >> AND, OF COURSE, YOU ALWAYS 23:07.053 --> 23:08.853 >> AND, OF COURSE, YOU ALWAYS RUN THE RISK IF YOUR CANDIDATE 23:08.855 --> 23:12.356 RUN THE RISK IF YOUR CANDIDATE LOSES ALL OF THAT MONEY WENT FOR 23:12.358 --> 23:14.392 LOSES ALL OF THAT MONEY WENT FOR WHAT EXACTLY? 23:14.394 --> 23:15.626 WHAT EXACTLY? >> VOTER FRUSTRATION. 23:15.628 --> 23:16.060 >> VOTER FRUSTRATION. >> ALL RIGHT. 23:16.062 --> 23:17.628 >> ALL RIGHT. TALK ABOUT THE VOTERS, WE'RE 23:17.630 --> 23:18.496 TALK ABOUT THE VOTERS, WE'RE SEEING EARLY BALLOTS IN. 23:18.498 --> 23:20.464 SEEING EARLY BALLOTS IN. SOME OF THESE NUMBERS STARTED TO 23:20.466 --> 23:24.468 SOME OF THESE NUMBERS STARTED TO COME IN ON PIMA COUNTY, MARICOPA 23:24.470 --> 23:24.802 COME IN ON PIMA COUNTY, MARICOPA COUNTY. 23:24.804 --> 23:26.737 COUNTY. IS THAT A GOOD INDICATION OR ARE 23:26.739 --> 23:28.072 IS THAT A GOOD INDICATION OR ARE THINGS MOVING SLOWLY, 23:28.074 --> 23:28.472 THINGS MOVING SLOWLY, CHRISTOPHER? 23:28.474 --> 23:29.473 CHRISTOPHER? >> IT'S A GOOD INDICATION. 23:29.475 --> 23:31.809 >> IT'S A GOOD INDICATION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOOD OR 23:31.811 --> 23:32.076 I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOOD OR BAD. 23:32.078 --> 23:34.712 BAD. BUT IN PIMA COUNTY THEY ARE 23:34.714 --> 23:36.280 BUT IN PIMA COUNTY THEY ARE PREDICTING OVER 50%. 23:36.282 --> 23:38.315 PREDICTING OVER 50%. THEY WERE PREDICTING 50% BY 23:38.317 --> 23:39.950 THEY WERE PREDICTING 50% BY THURSDAY MORNING TO BE IN. 23:39.952 --> 23:41.519 THURSDAY MORNING TO BE IN. 50% OF THE BALLOTS THAT HAVE 23:41.521 --> 23:42.887 50% OF THE BALLOTS THAT HAVE BEEN MAILED OUT. 23:42.889 --> 23:44.188 BEEN MAILED OUT. MARICOPA COUNTY, THEY ARE COMING 23:44.190 --> 23:46.257 MARICOPA COUNTY, THEY ARE COMING IN A LITTLE SLOWER. 23:46.259 --> 23:48.492 IN A LITTLE SLOWER. THE LAST NUMBER I SAW EARLIER 23:48.494 --> 23:49.994 THE LAST NUMBER I SAW EARLIER THIS WEEK WAS ABOUT A THIRD OF 23:49.996 --> 23:51.295 THIS WEEK WAS ABOUT A THIRD OF BALLOTS COMING IN. 23:51.297 --> 23:54.765 BALLOTS COMING IN. IN PIMA COUNTY, 62% OF 23:54.767 --> 23:56.333 IN PIMA COUNTY, 62% OF REGISTERED VOTERS REQUESTED AN 23:56.335 --> 23:57.134 REGISTERED VOTERS REQUESTED AN EARLY BALLOT. 23:57.136 --> 23:59.236 EARLY BALLOT. IF WE'RE OVER THE 50% MARK, THAT 23:59.238 --> 24:02.173 IF WE'RE OVER THE 50% MARK, THAT MEANS A VAST NUMBER OF VOTERS 24:02.175 --> 24:03.741 MEANS A VAST NUMBER OF VOTERS HAVE ALREADY VOTED IN THESE 24:03.743 --> 24:04.041 HAVE ALREADY VOTED IN THESE RACES. 24:04.043 --> 24:05.276 RACES. TUESDAY DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM. 24:05.278 --> 24:08.112 TUESDAY DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM. IT'S ABOUT THE COUNTING AT THAT 24:08.114 --> 24:08.446 IT'S ABOUT THE COUNTING AT THAT POINT. 24:08.448 --> 24:08.779 POINT. >> OKAY. 24:08.781 --> 24:10.681 >> OKAY. AND MARY JO, ARE YOU HEARING ANY 24:10.683 --> 24:12.950 AND MARY JO, ARE YOU HEARING ANY CONVERSATION HERE IN PHOENIX 24:12.952 --> 24:14.385 CONVERSATION HERE IN PHOENIX ABOUT WHETHER WE WILL HAVE 24:14.387 --> 24:15.719 ABOUT WHETHER WE WILL HAVE RESULTS FOR THESE BIG RACES ON 24:15.721 --> 24:17.588 RESULTS FOR THESE BIG RACES ON TUESDAY NIGHT OR WILL IT LAST 24:17.590 --> 24:18.189 TUESDAY NIGHT OR WILL IT LAST THROUGH THE WEEK? 24:18.191 --> 24:22.460 THROUGH THE WEEK? >> I KNOW MARICOPA COUNTY'S 24:22.462 --> 24:24.962 >> I KNOW MARICOPA COUNTY'S RECORDER OFFICE WAS SAYING IT 24:24.964 --> 24:26.664 RECORDER OFFICE WAS SAYING IT MAY TAKE A WEEK OR TWO TO COUNT 24:26.666 --> 24:27.731 MAY TAKE A WEEK OR TWO TO COUNT THEM AFTERWARDS. 24:27.733 --> 24:28.732 THEM AFTERWARDS. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN 24:28.734 --> 24:29.633 THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN EVERYTHING WILL HANG. 24:29.635 --> 24:32.269 EVERYTHING WILL HANG. I THINK SOME OF THE TOP TIER 24:32.271 --> 24:33.571 I THINK SOME OF THE TOP TIER RACES WILL PROBABLY BE DECIDED 24:33.573 --> 24:34.271 RACES WILL PROBABLY BE DECIDED FAIRLY QUICKLY. 24:34.273 --> 24:38.075 FAIRLY QUICKLY. MAYBE NOT IN TIME FOR OUR PRINT 24:38.077 --> 24:39.043 MAYBE NOT IN TIME FOR OUR PRINT DEADLINES BUT ESPECIALLY SOME OF 24:39.045 --> 24:42.346 DEADLINES BUT ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE RACES AND 24:42.348 --> 24:47.485 THE LEGISLATIVE RACES AND PERHAPS CD 1, CD 2, MAYBE EVEN 24:47.487 --> 24:49.453 PERHAPS CD 1, CD 2, MAYBE EVEN SECRETARY OF STATE, THOSE THINGS 24:49.455 --> 24:50.821 SECRETARY OF STATE, THOSE THINGS COULD DRAG ON FOR A WHILE. 24:50.823 --> 24:53.324 COULD DRAG ON FOR A WHILE. >> MARY JO, LET'S MOVE ON FROM 24:53.326 --> 24:55.593 >> MARY JO, LET'S MOVE ON FROM THE ELECTION NEWS TO SCHOOL 24:55.595 --> 24:55.926 THE ELECTION NEWS TO SCHOOL FUNDING. 24:55.928 --> 24:56.894 FUNDING. $1 BILLION. 24:56.896 --> 24:58.128 $1 BILLION. THERE'S TALK THAT THE STATE 24:58.130 --> 24:59.597 THERE'S TALK THAT THE STATE CANNOT AFFORD IT AND OTHER FOLKS 24:59.599 --> 25:01.232 CANNOT AFFORD IT AND OTHER FOLKS WHO SAY WE HAVE A RAINY DAY 25:01.234 --> 25:01.532 WHO SAY WE HAVE A RAINY DAY FUND. 25:01.534 --> 25:02.433 FUND. WHAT DO YOU SAY? 25:02.435 --> 25:06.103 WHAT DO YOU SAY? >> WELL, WE'VE HAD A WEEKS' 25:06.105 --> 25:08.138 >> WELL, WE'VE HAD A WEEKS' WORTH OF TESTIMONY IN MARICOPA 25:08.140 --> 25:09.039 WORTH OF TESTIMONY IN MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT. 25:09.041 --> 25:10.674 COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT. WHAT IS SETTLED IS THAT THE 25:10.676 --> 25:13.143 WHAT IS SETTLED IS THAT THE STATE SHORTED THE K-12 SYSTEM TO 25:13.145 --> 25:17.114 STATE SHORTED THE K-12 SYSTEM TO THE TUNE OF $1.3 BILLION DURING 25:17.116 --> 25:18.282 THE TUNE OF $1.3 BILLION DURING THE GREAT RECESSION WHEN THEY 25:18.284 --> 25:19.583 THE GREAT RECESSION WHEN THEY DID NOT FUND THE SCHOOLS. 25:19.585 --> 25:21.151 DID NOT FUND THE SCHOOLS. THE SUPREME COURTS MADE IT 25:21.153 --> 25:23.187 THE SUPREME COURTS MADE IT CLEAR, YOU'VE GOT TO ADJUST THAT 25:23.189 --> 25:23.554 CLEAR, YOU'VE GOT TO ADJUST THAT SPENDING. 25:23.556 --> 25:25.589 SPENDING. YOU'VE GOT TO PAY THAT. 25:25.591 --> 25:28.425 YOU'VE GOT TO PAY THAT. SO THEY ARE IN COURT NOW TO TRY 25:28.427 --> 25:30.594 SO THEY ARE IN COURT NOW TO TRY TO -- THE LEGISLATURE IS -- TO 25:30.596 --> 25:32.496 TO -- THE LEGISLATURE IS -- TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE, WHEN DO WE 25:32.498 --> 25:33.998 TRY TO NEGOTIATE, WHEN DO WE HAVE TO SEND THAT BACK AND 25:34.000 --> 25:35.165 HAVE TO SEND THAT BACK AND REALLY FOR THE BACK PAYMENTS 25:35.167 --> 25:37.167 REALLY FOR THE BACK PAYMENTS THAT THE SCHOOLS SAY THEY ARE 25:37.169 --> 25:39.203 THAT THE SCHOOLS SAY THEY ARE OWED, YOU KNOW, THE STATE IS 25:39.205 --> 25:40.471 OWED, YOU KNOW, THE STATE IS ARGUING, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO 25:40.473 --> 25:41.038 ARGUING, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO PAY THAT. 25:41.040 --> 25:42.973 PAY THAT. WE'VE HAD SOME YEARS WHERE WE 25:42.975 --> 25:44.341 WE'VE HAD SOME YEARS WHERE WE OVERPAID THE SCHOOLS. 25:44.343 --> 25:46.043 OVERPAID THE SCHOOLS. THE STATE'S ARGUMENT GENERALLY 25:46.045 --> 25:47.678 THE STATE'S ARGUMENT GENERALLY IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH 25:47.680 --> 25:48.245 IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. 25:48.247 --> 25:50.014 MONEY. YES, THERE IS A RAINY DAY FUND 25:50.016 --> 25:51.582 YES, THERE IS A RAINY DAY FUND BUT THAT ONLY GOES PARTLY 25:51.584 --> 25:52.816 BUT THAT ONLY GOES PARTLY TOWARDS THE SOLUTION. 25:52.818 --> 25:55.686 TOWARDS THE SOLUTION. THEN YOU HAVE ONGOING ISSUES. 25:55.688 --> 25:57.521 THEN YOU HAVE ONGOING ISSUES. THE SCHOOLS HAVE PUT WITNESSES 25:57.523 --> 25:59.156 THE SCHOOLS HAVE PUT WITNESSES ON THE STAND OUTLINING DIFFERENT 25:59.158 --> 26:00.691 ON THE STAND OUTLINING DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE STATES COULD GET 26:00.693 --> 26:04.428 WAYS THAT THE STATES COULD GET THE MONEY, SUCH AS BY ROLLING 26:04.430 --> 26:06.397 THE MONEY, SUCH AS BY ROLLING BACK TAX BREAKS THAT ARE 26:06.399 --> 26:08.299 BACK TAX BREAKS THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR, 26:08.301 --> 26:10.134 SCHEDULED TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR, CLOSING TAX LOOPHOLES, SOME 26:10.136 --> 26:11.669 CLOSING TAX LOOPHOLES, SOME THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE GETTING 26:11.671 --> 26:13.771 THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE SCHOOL 26:13.773 --> 26:15.573 RID OF SOME OF THE SCHOOL TUITION, ORGANIZATION, TAX 26:15.575 --> 26:15.906 TUITION, ORGANIZATION, TAX CREDITS. 26:15.908 --> 26:17.741 CREDITS. THEY PUT AN ARRAY OF CHOICES OUT 26:17.743 --> 26:18.976 THEY PUT AN ARRAY OF CHOICES OUT THERE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT 26:18.978 --> 26:21.111 THERE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THERE IS A WAY TO DO THIS. 26:21.113 --> 26:23.080 THERE IS A WAY TO DO THIS. IT'S JUST NOT VERY PALATABLE TO 26:23.082 --> 26:24.548 IT'S JUST NOT VERY PALATABLE TO MANY MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE. 26:24.550 --> 26:24.949 MANY MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE. >> OKAY. 26:24.951 --> 26:26.850 >> OKAY. AND THEN CHRISTOPHER, HERE WE'RE 26:26.852 --> 26:29.853 AND THEN CHRISTOPHER, HERE WE'RE ALSO NEXT WEEK, THE GOVERNOR 26:29.855 --> 26:32.222 ALSO NEXT WEEK, THE GOVERNOR WILL BE IN TUCSON FOR TALKS OVER 26:32.224 --> 26:33.290 WILL BE IN TUCSON FOR TALKS OVER THE MEDICAID EXPANSION. 26:33.292 --> 26:34.558 THE MEDICAID EXPANSION. WHAT IS THAT ABOUT? 26:34.560 --> 26:37.494 WHAT IS THAT ABOUT? >> THE MEDICAID EXPANSION IS THE 26:37.496 --> 26:38.996 >> THE MEDICAID EXPANSION IS THE ISSUE WHERE THE GOVERNOR WAS 26:38.998 --> 26:41.832 ISSUE WHERE THE GOVERNOR WAS ABLE TO PULL DOWN SOME FEDERAL 26:41.834 --> 26:43.634 ABLE TO PULL DOWN SOME FEDERAL DOLLARS, MUCH TO THE DISMAY OF 26:43.636 --> 26:45.836 DOLLARS, MUCH TO THE DISMAY OF MANY MEMBERS OF HER OWN PARTY, 26:45.838 --> 26:47.438 MANY MEMBERS OF HER OWN PARTY, TO EXPAND MEDICAID TO MORE 26:47.440 --> 26:47.771 TO EXPAND MEDICAID TO MORE PEOPLE. 26:47.773 --> 26:50.774 PEOPLE. THE LEGISLATURE SAID BECAUSE OF 26:50.776 --> 26:52.643 THE LEGISLATURE SAID BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WAS FUNDED, THE 26:52.645 --> 26:54.612 THE WAY THAT WAS FUNDED, THE STATE'S MATCH ON IT, IT'S 26:54.614 --> 26:54.979 STATE'S MATCH ON IT, IT'S ILLEGAL. 26:54.981 --> 26:57.147 ILLEGAL. IT'S NOW GOING TO BE UP TO THE 26:57.149 --> 26:57.948 IT'S NOW GOING TO BE UP TO THE SUPREME COURT. 26:57.950 --> 26:59.917 SUPREME COURT. THAT HEARING TAKES PLACE TWO 26:59.919 --> 27:01.785 THAT HEARING TAKES PLACE TWO DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION SO THE 27:01.787 --> 27:03.287 DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION SO THE NEXT GOVERNOR, IF WE KNOW WHO 27:03.289 --> 27:04.788 NEXT GOVERNOR, IF WE KNOW WHO THAT IS AT THAT POINT, WILL HAVE 27:04.790 --> 27:06.090 THAT IS AT THAT POINT, WILL HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE IT'S 27:06.092 --> 27:07.491 TO PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO FIGURE INTO THEIR 27:07.493 --> 27:07.825 GOING TO FIGURE INTO THEIR BUDGET. 27:07.827 --> 27:09.259 BUDGET. >> A LOT FOR THE NEXT GOVERNOR 27:09.261 --> 27:11.195 >> A LOT FOR THE NEXT GOVERNOR AND, OF COURSE, OTHER STATE 27:11.197 --> 27:12.496 AND, OF COURSE, OTHER STATE OFFICES TO HAVE TO BE INVOLVED 27:12.498 --> 27:14.832 OFFICES TO HAVE TO BE INVOLVED WITH BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING 27:14.834 --> 27:15.232 WITH BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. 27:15.234 --> 27:17.601 ON. MARY JO JOINING US FROM PHOENIX 27:17.603 --> 27:19.103 MARY JO JOINING US FROM PHOENIX AND CHRISTOPHER CONOVER FROM 27:19.105 --> 27:22.139 AND CHRISTOPHER CONOVER FROM ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA, THANK YOU 27:22.141 --> 27:23.273 ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA, THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US. 27:23.275 --> 27:23.807 BOTH FOR JOINING US. THAT'S OUR PROGRAM. 27:23.809 --> 27:25.643 THAT'S OUR PROGRAM. BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK 27:25.645 --> 27:27.344 BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK BECAUSE BY THIS TIME NEXT WEEK 27:27.346 --> 27:30.381 BECAUSE BY THIS TIME NEXT WEEK WE SHOULD KNOW WHO OUR STATE 27:30.383 --> 27:31.281 WE SHOULD KNOW WHO OUR STATE GOVERNOR AND STATE LEADERS ARE. 27:31.283 --> 27:32.816 GOVERNOR AND STATE LEADERS ARE. WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THE RACES 27:32.818 --> 27:34.351 WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THE RACES CLOSELY AND WILL HAVE LIVE 27:34.353 --> 27:35.653 CLOSELY AND WILL HAVE LIVE COVERAGE ON ELECTION NIGHT. 27:35.655 --> 27:36.587 COVERAGE ON ELECTION NIGHT. YOU CAN FIND ALL OF THAT 27:36.589 --> 27:39.256 YOU CAN FIND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. 27:39.258 --> 27:42.159 INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. FOR ALL OF US HERE AT ARIZONA 27:42.161 --> 27:45.863 FOR ALL OF US HERE AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA, I'M LORRAINE 27:45.865 --> 27:46.196 PUBLIC MEDIA, I'M LORRAINE RIVERA. 27:46.198 --> 27:47.197 RIVERA. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.