1 00:00:19,085 --> 00:00:20,018 . 2 00:00:20,021 --> 00:00:22,487 >>> THE U.S. SUPREME COURT 3 00:00:22,490 --> 00:00:23,821 UPHELD A KEY PROVISION OF THE 4 00:00:23,824 --> 00:00:25,690 AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 5 00:00:25,693 --> 00:00:28,626 WITH DIRECT EFFECTS ON ARIZONA. 6 00:00:28,629 --> 00:00:29,527 >> PRETTY CLOSE TO HALF A 7 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:31,429 MILLION PEOPLE IN ARIZONA ARE 8 00:00:31,432 --> 00:00:32,163 GETTING COVERED IN SOME WAY BY 9 00:00:32,166 --> 00:00:34,198 THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND 10 00:00:34,201 --> 00:00:35,967 THOSE OVER 200,000 DON'T NEED TO 11 00:00:35,970 --> 00:00:39,604 WORRY ABOUT THE PREMIUMS 12 00:00:39,607 --> 00:00:41,873 SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL OR 13 00:00:41,876 --> 00:00:42,840 SPIKING IN ANY WAY BECAUSE OF AN 14 00:00:42,843 --> 00:00:46,944 ADVERSE RULING. 15 00:00:46,947 --> 00:00:47,478 >> THE COURT ALSO UPHELD 16 00:00:47,481 --> 00:00:49,914 SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. 17 00:00:49,917 --> 00:00:53,117 >> WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,485 TO REACH TRUE EEK QUALITY. 19 00:00:54,488 --> 00:00:57,288 WOMEN STILL MAKE LESS THAN MAN. 20 00:00:57,291 --> 00:00:57,689 WE STILL HAVE THE CHARLESTON 21 00:00:57,692 --> 00:00:59,090 SITUATION. 22 00:00:59,093 --> 00:01:01,559 >> ARIZONA STILL AWAITS A 23 00:01:01,562 --> 00:01:02,894 DECISION ON HOW THE 24 00:01:02,897 --> 00:01:03,728 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS ARE 25 00:01:03,731 --> 00:01:11,636 DRAWN. 26 00:01:15,008 --> 00:01:22,280 ♪ 27 00:01:22,283 --> 00:01:22,747 >>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO 28 00:01:22,750 --> 00:01:26,284 "ARIZONA WEEK." 29 00:01:26,287 --> 00:01:27,018 I'M CHRISTOPHER CON OVER IN FOR 30 00:01:27,021 --> 00:01:28,886 LORRAINE RIVERA. 31 00:01:28,889 --> 00:01:31,823 THE U.S. SUPREME COURT RULED ON 32 00:01:31,826 --> 00:01:32,690 TWO MAJOR CASES THIS WEEK. 33 00:01:32,693 --> 00:01:33,324 THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND 34 00:01:33,327 --> 00:01:35,159 SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. 35 00:01:35,162 --> 00:01:35,693 WE BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION ON THE 36 00:01:35,696 --> 00:01:37,829 AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 37 00:01:37,832 --> 00:01:39,364 THE COURT RULED THE SUBSIDIES 38 00:01:39,367 --> 00:01:41,799 FOR FEDERAL INSURANCE MARKET 39 00:01:41,802 --> 00:01:43,368 PLACES IN ARIZONA AND 33 OTHER 40 00:01:43,371 --> 00:01:45,770 STATES ARE LEGAL. 41 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:46,070 WE HAVE TWO DIVERGING POINTS OF 42 00:01:46,073 --> 00:01:47,705 VIEW. 43 00:01:47,708 --> 00:01:49,407 FIRST JANE ORIENT WHO IS A 44 00:01:49,410 --> 00:01:50,775 TUCSON PHYSICIAN AND THE 45 00:01:50,778 --> 00:01:53,478 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE 46 00:01:53,481 --> 00:01:54,245 ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN 47 00:01:54,248 --> 00:01:57,448 PHYSICIANS AND SURGEON. 48 00:01:57,451 --> 00:01:57,815 SHE OPPOSED THE AFFORDABLE CARE 49 00:01:57,818 --> 00:02:01,152 ACT. 50 00:02:01,155 --> 00:02:02,553 >> JANE, OBVIOUSLY NOT A FAN OF 51 00:02:02,556 --> 00:02:04,122 THIS WEEK'S DECISION. 52 00:02:04,125 --> 00:02:06,157 LET'S START WITH THE DECISION. 53 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,960 WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT? 54 00:02:08,963 --> 00:02:12,063 >> THE MAIN THING THAT IS WRONG 55 00:02:12,066 --> 00:02:15,633 WITH THE DECISION IS IT REPEALS 56 00:02:15,636 --> 00:02:17,502 THE RULE OF THE LAW AND THE 57 00:02:17,505 --> 00:02:19,203 SUPREME COURT IS SAYING THE LAW 58 00:02:19,206 --> 00:02:21,906 DOESN'T MEAN WHAT IT SAYS, IT 59 00:02:21,909 --> 00:02:24,308 MEANS WHAT THEY LIKE IT TO MEAN. 60 00:02:24,311 --> 00:02:25,476 THEY WOULD DO PRACTICALLY 61 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:29,280 ANYTHING IT APPEARS TO PRESERVE 62 00:02:29,283 --> 00:02:33,117 PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SIGNATURE LAW, 63 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,419 EVEN IT MEANS ESTABLISHED BY THE 64 00:02:34,422 --> 00:02:36,087 STATE MEANS THE SAME THING AS 65 00:02:36,090 --> 00:02:39,857 NOT ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE. 66 00:02:39,860 --> 00:02:41,159 >> YOU WROTE AN EDITORIAL 67 00:02:41,162 --> 00:02:44,329 RECENTLY THAT CAME UP WITH SOME 68 00:02:44,332 --> 00:02:47,165 OTHER IDEAS, IF YOU WILL, HOW TO 69 00:02:47,168 --> 00:02:48,232 SOLVE THE UNINSURED PROBLEM BUT 70 00:02:48,235 --> 00:02:50,635 NOT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 71 00:02:50,638 --> 00:02:52,003 YOU TALKED ABOUT A VOLUNTARILY 72 00:02:52,006 --> 00:02:53,237 AND CONSTITUTIONAL SOLUTION. 73 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,772 TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT 74 00:02:54,775 --> 00:02:56,908 THAT IF YOU WILL. 75 00:02:56,911 --> 00:02:58,376 >> WELL FIRST WE DON'T LIKE TO 76 00:02:58,379 --> 00:03:00,111 CALL IT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT 77 00:03:00,114 --> 00:03:00,912 BECAUSE IT IS THE UNAFFORDABLE 78 00:03:00,915 --> 00:03:03,181 CARE ACT. 79 00:03:03,184 --> 00:03:04,015 WHAT IT HAS DONE IS MAKE 80 00:03:04,018 --> 00:03:05,650 INSURANCE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE 81 00:03:05,653 --> 00:03:07,552 THAN IT WAS BEFORE AND SOLIDIFY 82 00:03:07,555 --> 00:03:09,153 IN PLACE A LOT OF THINGS THAT 83 00:03:09,156 --> 00:03:10,555 ARE WRONG WITH AMERICAN MEDICAL 84 00:03:10,558 --> 00:03:13,157 CARE AND THE PROBLEM IS NOT THAT 85 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,526 THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE 86 00:03:15,529 --> 00:03:18,830 UNINSURED IS THAT THE COSTS ARE 87 00:03:18,833 --> 00:03:19,964 MUCH TOO HIGH AND MUCH HIGHER 88 00:03:19,967 --> 00:03:22,700 THAN THEY NEED TO BE BECAUSE THE 89 00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:24,002 HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS ABOUT 90 00:03:24,005 --> 00:03:26,637 SHUFFLING MONEY AROUND AND 91 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,806 HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST 92 00:03:28,809 --> 00:03:31,309 CALCULATING RISKAL GO RIDGES AND 93 00:03:31,312 --> 00:03:32,977 COLLECTING MONEY AND JUST ONLY 94 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:34,946 40% GOES INTO THINGS YOU WOULD 95 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:36,714 IDENTIFY AS ANY KIND OF MEDICAL 96 00:03:36,717 --> 00:03:39,117 GOOD OR SERVICES. 97 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,685 >> YOU MENTIONED IN THERE SOME 98 00:03:40,688 --> 00:03:42,687 SOME WAYS INSURANCE IS A GAMBLE 99 00:03:42,690 --> 00:03:44,489 AND A GAMBLE YOU NEVER HAVE TO 100 00:03:44,492 --> 00:03:47,125 CASH IT, BUT IT IS A GAMBLE. 101 00:03:47,128 --> 00:03:48,526 >> WITH YOUR CAR INSURANCE OR 102 00:03:48,529 --> 00:03:51,763 HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE IT IS, YOU 103 00:03:51,766 --> 00:03:54,098 HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE A CRASH OR 104 00:03:54,101 --> 00:03:55,833 YOUR HOUSE NEVER CATCHES FIRE 105 00:03:55,836 --> 00:04:00,304 BUT WITH HEALTH INSURANCE, IT IS 106 00:04:00,307 --> 00:04:01,406 A HEALTH PLAN, IT IS PREPAYMENT 107 00:04:01,409 --> 00:04:03,174 FOR KUJS. 108 00:04:03,177 --> 00:04:05,009 YOU TURN YOUR MONEY OVER TO A 109 00:04:05,012 --> 00:04:08,980 COLLECTIVE POT AND YOU HOPE THEY 110 00:04:08,983 --> 00:04:10,348 WILL DOLE OUT SOMETHING TO YOU 111 00:04:10,351 --> 00:04:12,283 AT THE TIME YOU NEED IT. 112 00:04:12,286 --> 00:04:13,751 >> HOW DO WE SOLVE -- IF THE 113 00:04:13,754 --> 00:04:15,887 COURT HAD STRUCK THIS DOWN, HOW 114 00:04:15,890 --> 00:04:17,555 DO WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF FOLKS 115 00:04:17,558 --> 00:04:19,924 WHO DON'T HAVE SOME SORT OF 116 00:04:19,927 --> 00:04:22,493 MEDICAL COVERAGE AND CAN'T 117 00:04:22,496 --> 00:04:24,095 AFFORD OUT OF POCKET PAYMENTS? 118 00:04:24,098 --> 00:04:26,097 IS THERE A WAY TO SOLVE THAT? 119 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:27,832 >> OF COURSE, IF YOU CAN'T 120 00:04:27,835 --> 00:04:29,233 AFFORD TO PAY A REASONABLE PRICE 121 00:04:29,236 --> 00:04:31,402 FOR MEDICAL CARE, YOU CANNOT 122 00:04:31,405 --> 00:04:33,905 AFFORD TO PAY TWO TO THREE TIMES 123 00:04:33,908 --> 00:04:35,440 AS MUCH TO FUNNEL THE MONEY 124 00:04:35,443 --> 00:04:37,041 THROUGH AN INSURANCE COMPANY. 125 00:04:37,044 --> 00:04:43,147 AND THE ONE THING THAT THE 126 00:04:43,150 --> 00:04:43,881 SUBSIDIES DID OR DO IS TO 127 00:04:43,884 --> 00:04:44,916 DISGUISE THE UNAFFORDABILITY OF 128 00:04:44,919 --> 00:04:45,950 THE PREMIUM BY MAKING SOMEBODY 129 00:04:45,953 --> 00:04:47,452 ELSE PAY FOR THEM. 130 00:04:47,455 --> 00:04:49,320 SO IF YOU MAKE LESS THAN A 131 00:04:49,323 --> 00:04:51,122 CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAN 132 00:04:51,125 --> 00:04:52,724 OTHER PEOPLE PAY THE INSURANCE 133 00:04:52,727 --> 00:04:57,261 COMPANY, NOT YOU, BUT IF YOU 134 00:04:57,264 --> 00:05:01,799 MAKE MORE THAN THAT AMOUNT OF 135 00:05:01,802 --> 00:05:03,801 MONEY, YOU PAY MORE AND YOU HAVE 136 00:05:03,804 --> 00:05:04,836 TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE WHO PAY MORE 137 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,404 THAN YOU. 138 00:05:06,407 --> 00:05:08,406 >> AND BEFORE PRESIDENT OBAMA 139 00:05:08,409 --> 00:05:10,541 BROUGHT THIS UP A NUMBER OF 140 00:05:10,544 --> 00:05:13,077 YEARS AGO IT SEEMS, ACCESS TO 141 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,481 HEALTH CARE IS A LONG RUNNING 142 00:05:16,484 --> 00:05:18,316 ARGUMENT IN THIS COUNTRY AND 143 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:19,751 PROBABLY AROUND THE WORLD. 144 00:05:19,754 --> 00:05:20,218 IS THERE A SILVER BULLET TO 145 00:05:20,221 --> 00:05:21,185 THAT. 146 00:05:21,188 --> 00:05:23,121 OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T THINK THIS 147 00:05:23,124 --> 00:05:24,389 IS THE SILVER BULLET TO IT BUT 148 00:05:24,392 --> 00:05:26,424 IS THERE A SILVER BULLET TO IT. 149 00:05:26,427 --> 00:05:29,327 >> I THINK WE NEED A FREE MARKET 150 00:05:29,330 --> 00:05:32,330 AND LOCAL CHARITY THAT I THINK 151 00:05:32,333 --> 00:05:34,198 ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE IN THIS 152 00:05:34,201 --> 00:05:35,500 COUNTRY IS MUCH BETTER THAN 153 00:05:35,503 --> 00:05:36,267 ACCESS IN OTHER COUNTRIES. 154 00:05:36,270 --> 00:05:38,136 IF YOU ARE GOING TO THE 155 00:05:38,139 --> 00:05:39,604 EMERGENCY ROOM, YOU ARE NOT 156 00:05:39,607 --> 00:05:40,571 SEEING WELL OFF PEOPLE THERE AND 157 00:05:40,574 --> 00:05:41,773 YOU ARE SEEING EVERYBODY THERE 158 00:05:41,776 --> 00:05:43,741 AND EVERYBODY GETS TREATMENT. 159 00:05:43,744 --> 00:05:47,245 THE BIG PROBLEM IS IF THEY HAVE 160 00:05:47,248 --> 00:05:47,645 ANY MONEY THEY FACE A BIG BILL 161 00:05:47,648 --> 00:05:50,715 AFTERWARDS. 162 00:05:50,718 --> 00:05:52,150 BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT BLOCKED FROM 163 00:05:52,153 --> 00:05:54,252 MEDICAL CARE BECAUSE IN CANADA 164 00:05:54,255 --> 00:05:56,421 THEY DON'T HAVE NEARLY ENOUGH 165 00:05:56,424 --> 00:05:57,722 DOCTORS OR THREE OR FOUR YEARS 166 00:05:57,725 --> 00:05:59,057 DOWN ON THE WAITING LIST. 167 00:05:59,060 --> 00:06:01,459 >> IS THERE ANYTHING GOOD, AS 168 00:06:01,462 --> 00:06:02,927 WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS LAW FROM 169 00:06:02,930 --> 00:06:05,263 THE DAY IT WAS WRITTEN TO THE 170 00:06:05,266 --> 00:06:06,898 DAY IT WAS PASSED, TO THIS 171 00:06:06,901 --> 00:06:08,132 WEEK'S SUPREME COURT RULING, IS 172 00:06:08,135 --> 00:06:11,402 THERE ANYTHING GOOD IN THERE OR 173 00:06:11,405 --> 00:06:12,804 DO WE REALLY NEED TO SCRAP IT 174 00:06:12,807 --> 00:06:14,472 AND JUST START ALL OVER AGAIN. 175 00:06:14,475 --> 00:06:15,740 >> I THINK WE NEED TO REPEAL IT 176 00:06:15,743 --> 00:06:18,576 AND START ALL OVER AGAIN. 177 00:06:18,579 --> 00:06:22,347 BUT THE GOOD THING IS IF YOU 178 00:06:22,350 --> 00:06:24,716 BELONG TO A HEALTH SHARING 179 00:06:24,719 --> 00:06:26,351 MINISTRY AND YOU SEND SMN TO 180 00:06:26,354 --> 00:06:27,719 SOMEONE WHO HAS A MEDICAL NEED 181 00:06:27,722 --> 00:06:28,419 YOU ARE NOT SUCKED WITH THE 182 00:06:28,422 --> 00:06:29,821 INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY 183 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:30,922 PAYMENT OR TAX OR PENALTY OR 184 00:06:30,925 --> 00:06:33,291 WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. 185 00:06:33,294 --> 00:06:35,793 >> SO HELPING PEOPLE OUT, IN 186 00:06:35,796 --> 00:06:38,096 ADDITION TO JUST YOURSELF, 187 00:06:38,099 --> 00:06:38,429 MAILING OR SENDING MONEY OUT 188 00:06:38,432 --> 00:06:38,830 HELPS. 189 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:39,964 >> CORRECT. 190 00:06:39,967 --> 00:06:41,466 AND THEN IF YOU ARE PAYING 191 00:06:41,469 --> 00:06:43,434 DIRECTLY AT THE TIME OF SERVICE, 192 00:06:43,437 --> 00:06:45,903 THE PRICES ARE MUCH LOWER. 193 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:48,272 FOR EXAMPLE, THEY CAN BE 194 00:06:48,275 --> 00:06:51,142 ONE-TENTH OF WHAT YOU MIGHT BE 195 00:06:51,145 --> 00:06:54,812 FORCED TO PAY AT A SO-CALLED 196 00:06:54,815 --> 00:06:56,080 NONPROFIT HOSPITAL IF YOU GO TO 197 00:06:56,083 --> 00:06:59,117 PLACES LIKE THE SURGERY CENTER 198 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,618 OF OKLAHOMA FOR THE PACKAGE 199 00:07:00,621 --> 00:07:00,918 PRICE OF THE SEERJ YOU NEED TO 200 00:07:00,921 --> 00:07:01,986 HAVE. 201 00:07:01,989 --> 00:07:02,920 >> AND YOU READ THE DECISION AND 202 00:07:02,923 --> 00:07:05,023 FOLLOWED THIS CLOSELY FOR 203 00:07:05,026 --> 00:07:07,892 SEVERAL YEARS AND WHAT DO YOU 204 00:07:07,895 --> 00:07:08,259 THINK THE FUTURE WILL BRING FOR 205 00:07:08,262 --> 00:07:09,560 THIS LAW? 206 00:07:09,563 --> 00:07:11,329 I HAVE A FEELING THIS IS NOT 207 00:07:11,332 --> 00:07:12,630 NECESSARILY THE END OF THE 208 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:14,365 CHALLENGES BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK 209 00:07:14,368 --> 00:07:15,767 THE FUTURE SEEING? 210 00:07:15,770 --> 00:07:17,535 >> I THINK IT IS NOT THE END OF 211 00:07:17,538 --> 00:07:20,538 THE CHALLENGES BECAUSE THE LAW 212 00:07:20,541 --> 00:07:21,839 IS UNAFFORDABLE AND 213 00:07:21,842 --> 00:07:23,274 UNSUSTAINABLE AND IT IS MAKING 214 00:07:23,277 --> 00:07:25,710 MANY MEDICAL PRACTICES CLOSE 215 00:07:25,713 --> 00:07:26,944 THEIR DOORS BECAUSE OF THE HUGE 216 00:07:26,947 --> 00:07:29,147 ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. 217 00:07:29,150 --> 00:07:31,416 IT IS GIVING PEOPLE AN INSURANCE 218 00:07:31,419 --> 00:07:32,650 CARD FOR INSURANCE THAT THEY 219 00:07:32,653 --> 00:07:34,819 CAN'T REALLY USE BECAUSE THEY 220 00:07:34,822 --> 00:07:36,754 ARE GETTING HIGH DEDUCTIBLE 221 00:07:36,757 --> 00:07:38,990 INSURANCE AT FIRST DOLLAR 222 00:07:38,993 --> 00:07:40,425 COVERAGE PRICES IS WHICH IS JUST 223 00:07:40,428 --> 00:07:41,926 UPSIDE DOWN AND BACKWARDS. 224 00:07:41,929 --> 00:07:44,529 >> DO YOU SEE CONGRESS EVER 225 00:07:44,532 --> 00:07:45,897 BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH 226 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:47,298 CHANGES RIGHT NOW OR ARE WE 227 00:07:47,301 --> 00:07:49,334 GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT FOR A NEW 228 00:07:49,337 --> 00:07:51,969 PRESIDENT OR MAYBE TWO NEW 229 00:07:51,972 --> 00:07:52,603 PRESIDENTS, DEPENDING ON HOW THE 230 00:07:52,606 --> 00:07:54,906 2016 ELECTION WORKS OUT. 231 00:07:54,909 --> 00:07:56,174 >> I THINK WE NEED TO NOT DEPEND 232 00:07:56,177 --> 00:07:57,408 ON CONGRESS. 233 00:07:57,411 --> 00:07:59,077 I THINK CONGRESS IS QUITE 234 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,978 CORRUPT AND OEND BY SPECIAL 235 00:08:00,981 --> 00:08:02,714 INTEREST GROUPS, MAINLY THE 236 00:08:02,717 --> 00:08:04,449 INSURANCE COMPANIES WHO ARE 237 00:08:04,452 --> 00:08:05,983 FORCING PEOPLE TO BUY A PRODUCT 238 00:08:05,986 --> 00:08:09,020 THEY OTHERWISE WOULDN'T BUY. 239 00:08:09,023 --> 00:08:12,056 I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT 240 00:08:12,059 --> 00:08:13,358 MEDICAL SELF-SUFFICIENCY.COM AND 241 00:08:13,361 --> 00:08:14,092 FIND OUT THAT BEING UNINSURED IS 242 00:08:14,095 --> 00:08:15,593 NOT ALL THAT BAD. 243 00:08:15,596 --> 00:08:18,863 THERE ARE WAYS TO TAKE CARE OF 244 00:08:18,866 --> 00:08:19,664 YOUR NEEDS WITHOUT WASTING 60% 245 00:08:19,667 --> 00:08:20,932 OF IT ON THIRD PARTY PAYMENT. 246 00:08:20,935 --> 00:08:22,166 >> THANKS FOR COMING IN IT AND 247 00:08:22,169 --> 00:08:25,036 TALKING WITH US ABOUT THIS. 248 00:08:25,039 --> 00:08:25,903 >> THANK YOU FOR THE 249 00:08:25,906 --> 00:08:28,039 OPPORTUNITY. 250 00:08:28,042 --> 00:08:29,707 >>> NOW MATT HEINZ, A TUCSON 251 00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:33,111 MEDICAL CENTER EMERGENCY ROOM 252 00:08:33,114 --> 00:08:33,478 PHYSICIAN AND A FORMER STATE 253 00:08:33,481 --> 00:08:35,847 LAWMAKER. 254 00:08:35,850 --> 00:08:36,681 HE'S ALSO A SUPPORTER OF THE 255 00:08:36,684 --> 00:08:38,483 AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 256 00:08:38,486 --> 00:08:40,451 >> MATT, LET'S START WITH WHAT 257 00:08:40,454 --> 00:08:42,453 THIS RULING ON THE AFFORDABLE 258 00:08:42,456 --> 00:08:44,756 CARE ACT MEANS TO ARIZONA. 259 00:08:44,759 --> 00:08:46,491 A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT TO KEEP 260 00:08:46,494 --> 00:08:48,059 THEIR INSURANCE AS A RESULT. 261 00:08:48,062 --> 00:08:51,429 >> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. 262 00:08:51,432 --> 00:08:52,597 AND THIS IS REALLY A FANTASTIC 263 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:52,997 DECISION FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE 264 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,766 STATE. 265 00:08:54,769 --> 00:08:55,667 OVER 200,000 HERE IN ARIZONA 266 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:58,469 HAVE HEALTH CARE THROUGH THE 267 00:08:58,472 --> 00:09:01,472 MARKET PLACE THAT SERVES ARIZONA 268 00:09:01,475 --> 00:09:02,440 AND ANOTHER 270,000 269 00:09:02,443 --> 00:09:03,975 APPROXIMATELY THROUGH EXPANDED 270 00:09:03,978 --> 00:09:05,677 MEDICAID SO THAT IS CLOSE TO 271 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:08,613 HALF A MILLION PEOPLE IN ARIZONA 272 00:09:08,616 --> 00:09:09,347 ARE GETTING COVERED IN SMI WAY 273 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:11,082 BY THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND 274 00:09:11,085 --> 00:09:12,250 THE OVER 200,000 DON'T NEED TO 275 00:09:12,253 --> 00:09:13,484 WORRY ABOUT THE PREMIUMS 276 00:09:13,487 --> 00:09:15,787 SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL OR 277 00:09:15,790 --> 00:09:16,954 SPIKING IN ANY WAY BECAUSE OF AN 278 00:09:16,957 --> 00:09:19,757 ADVERSE RULING. 279 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:20,091 >> YOU'RE AN M.D. HERE IN 280 00:09:20,094 --> 00:09:22,527 TUCSON. 281 00:09:22,530 --> 00:09:24,762 TELL ME ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE. 282 00:09:24,765 --> 00:09:26,497 YOU WORK IN A HOSPITAL, NOT IN A 283 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:28,933 PRIVATE PRACTICE, BUT TELL ME 284 00:09:28,936 --> 00:09:29,500 ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE 285 00:09:29,503 --> 00:09:33,037 AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 286 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,039 >> SO IT'S -- WE ARE ALL IN -- 287 00:09:35,042 --> 00:09:39,010 HEALTH PROFESSIONALS ARE ALL 288 00:09:39,013 --> 00:09:40,578 WORKING HARD, NURSES, DOCTORS, 289 00:09:40,581 --> 00:09:41,779 PHARMACISTS TO WORK HARD TO TAKE 290 00:09:41,782 --> 00:09:44,816 CARE OF PATIENTS AND THAT IS 291 00:09:44,819 --> 00:09:47,185 WHAT OUR FOCUS IS. 292 00:09:47,188 --> 00:09:48,152 AND AFTER JANUARY OF 2014, A LOT 293 00:09:48,155 --> 00:09:51,022 FEWER PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH 294 00:09:51,025 --> 00:09:52,757 THE DOOR WITH INABILITY TO PAY, 295 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,460 MEANING UNCOMPENSATED CARE IS 296 00:09:55,463 --> 00:09:58,296 PLUMMETING ACROSS THE STATE. 297 00:09:58,299 --> 00:09:59,464 YOU CAN SEE THAT, THE ARIZONA 298 00:09:59,467 --> 00:10:00,832 HEALTH CARE AND HOSPITAL 299 00:10:00,835 --> 00:10:02,133 ASSOCIATION PUT OUT CLEAR FACTS 300 00:10:02,136 --> 00:10:04,035 AND FIGURES ABOUT THAT BUT IT 301 00:10:04,038 --> 00:10:05,937 HAS DROPPED BY OVER 50%. 302 00:10:05,940 --> 00:10:07,138 THAT MEANS PEOPLE ARE GETTING 303 00:10:07,141 --> 00:10:09,273 INSURANCE AND ABLE TO COME IN 304 00:10:09,276 --> 00:10:11,442 AND ABLE TO SEE, IF THEY NEED 305 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:12,710 TO, A PHYSICIAN OR A NURSE OR A 306 00:10:12,713 --> 00:10:14,045 NURSE PRACTITIONER TO GET THE 307 00:10:14,048 --> 00:10:15,847 CARE THEY NEED AND SO FAMILIES 308 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:18,149 ARE NOW ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO 309 00:10:18,152 --> 00:10:19,584 CARE AFFORDABLY AND AT THE RIGHT 310 00:10:19,587 --> 00:10:21,919 TIME WHEN IT IS EASY TO TAKE 311 00:10:21,922 --> 00:10:23,421 CARE OF SOME OF THEIR PROBLEMS. 312 00:10:23,424 --> 00:10:26,657 >> BEFORE YOU RETURN TO TUCSON 313 00:10:26,660 --> 00:10:28,860 AS AN M.D., YOU WERE WORKING FOR 314 00:10:28,863 --> 00:10:30,728 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TALKING 315 00:10:30,731 --> 00:10:32,764 ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 316 00:10:32,767 --> 00:10:34,165 DID YOU HEAR THE NARRATIVE 317 00:10:34,168 --> 00:10:35,867 CHANGE AT ALL WHILE YOU WERE 318 00:10:35,870 --> 00:10:38,136 DOING THAT AND DID YOU HEAR 319 00:10:38,139 --> 00:10:40,405 OPINION CHANGE AT ALL OR IS IT 320 00:10:40,408 --> 00:10:41,739 STILL VERY BLACK AND WHITE HOW 321 00:10:41,742 --> 00:10:44,542 PEOPLE FEEL OUT IN THE FIELD, 322 00:10:44,545 --> 00:10:45,143 NOT NECESSARILY THE POLITICAL 323 00:10:45,146 --> 00:10:46,811 PUNDIT? 324 00:10:46,814 --> 00:10:47,679 >> I THINK WITHOUT -- MY ROLE 325 00:10:47,682 --> 00:10:49,714 FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS 326 00:10:49,717 --> 00:10:51,015 TO WORK CLOSELY WITH HEALTH 327 00:10:51,018 --> 00:10:52,417 PROFESSIONALS ON BEHALF OF THE 328 00:10:52,420 --> 00:10:54,118 SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN 329 00:10:54,121 --> 00:10:55,987 SERVICES TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY 330 00:10:55,990 --> 00:10:56,521 AND HELP THEM FIGURE OUT THE 331 00:10:56,524 --> 00:10:57,422 AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. 332 00:10:57,425 --> 00:10:59,791 IT IS COMPLICATED. 333 00:10:59,794 --> 00:11:02,527 BUT REALLY, OVER THE ALMOST TWO 334 00:11:02,530 --> 00:11:05,063 YEARS I WAS THERE, THE FIRST 335 00:11:05,066 --> 00:11:07,098 ENROLLMENT CYCLE FOR EXAMPLE, A 336 00:11:07,101 --> 00:11:08,933 LOT MORE RESISTANCE AND THE 337 00:11:08,936 --> 00:11:11,135 SECOND A LOT MORE FAMILIARITY. 338 00:11:11,138 --> 00:11:13,838 PEOPLE WERE GETTING USED TO IT. 339 00:11:13,841 --> 00:11:14,939 WHAT IS THIS WEBSITE, THIS 340 00:11:14,942 --> 00:11:15,907 HEALTHCARE.GOV AND PEOPLE HAD 341 00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:17,742 EXPLORED IT. 342 00:11:17,745 --> 00:11:18,743 WHETHER THEY ENGAGED AND 343 00:11:18,746 --> 00:11:20,211 ENROLLED OR NOT THEY WERE 344 00:11:20,214 --> 00:11:23,448 FAMILIAR WITH IT AND SEEN IT IN 345 00:11:23,451 --> 00:11:25,116 THE NEWS, SEEN IT ON COLBERT OR 346 00:11:25,119 --> 00:11:25,416 UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THOSE 347 00:11:25,419 --> 00:11:28,219 SHOWS. 348 00:11:28,222 --> 00:11:29,020 BUT THAT MADE IT EASIER THE 349 00:11:29,023 --> 00:11:31,189 SECOND TIME AROUND. 350 00:11:31,192 --> 00:11:33,091 AND THE SAME THING APPLIES TO 351 00:11:33,094 --> 00:11:33,524 PHYSICIANS AND OTHER HEALTH 352 00:11:33,527 --> 00:11:34,692 PROFESSIONALS. 353 00:11:34,695 --> 00:11:36,227 WE GET MORE FAMILIAR WITH 354 00:11:36,230 --> 00:11:36,995 SOMETHING AND ARE FOR 355 00:11:36,998 --> 00:11:38,930 COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 356 00:11:38,933 --> 00:11:41,032 AND FRANKLY IT IS HUMAN NATURE 357 00:11:41,035 --> 00:11:42,600 TO BE SOMEWHAT APPREHENSIVE AND 358 00:11:42,603 --> 00:11:44,435 FEARFUL OF SOMETHING THAT IS 359 00:11:44,438 --> 00:11:44,836 COMPLICATED AND UNKNOWN 360 00:11:44,839 --> 00:11:47,071 TERRITORY. 361 00:11:47,074 --> 00:11:48,706 SO THAT -- IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR 362 00:11:48,709 --> 00:11:50,341 PEOPLE TO I THINK DEAL WITH NOW 363 00:11:50,344 --> 00:11:52,343 AND UNDERSTAND AND THEY SEE HOW 364 00:11:52,346 --> 00:11:53,311 IT IS WORKING FOR NEIGHBORS AN 365 00:11:53,314 --> 00:11:55,146 FRIENDS AND THEMSELVES. 366 00:11:55,149 --> 00:11:56,447 >> LET'S TAKE OURSELVES BACK 367 00:11:56,450 --> 00:11:57,248 EARLIER IN THE WEEK TO THE 368 00:11:57,251 --> 00:11:59,817 RULING. 369 00:11:59,820 --> 00:12:02,320 IF THE COURT HAD RULED AGAINST 370 00:12:02,323 --> 00:12:04,389 THIS PROVISION OF THE AFFORDABLE 371 00:12:04,392 --> 00:12:06,357 CARE ACT, WHAT DO YOU SEE 372 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,358 HAPPENING IN ARIZONA IF WE HAD 373 00:12:07,361 --> 00:12:09,360 THE OPPOSITE RESULT? 374 00:12:09,363 --> 00:12:11,095 >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 375 00:12:11,098 --> 00:12:13,297 POTENTIALLY CHAOS FOR -- 376 00:12:13,300 --> 00:12:15,166 ESPECIALLY THE 200,000 THAT ARE 377 00:12:15,169 --> 00:12:16,901 ON THE MARKET PLACE, THAT ARE 378 00:12:16,904 --> 00:12:18,002 GETTING A PRIVATE HEALTH 379 00:12:18,005 --> 00:12:19,303 INSURANCE PLAN THROUGH THE 380 00:12:19,306 --> 00:12:21,806 AFFORDABLE CARE ACT HERE IN 381 00:12:21,809 --> 00:12:22,974 ARIZONA BECAUSE THERE WAS REALLY 382 00:12:22,977 --> 00:12:27,211 NO FALLBACK. 383 00:12:27,214 --> 00:12:28,913 THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE 384 00:12:28,916 --> 00:12:30,615 UNWISELY PASSED LEGISLATION THIS 385 00:12:30,618 --> 00:12:32,216 PAST SESSION SAYING WE NO WILL 386 00:12:32,219 --> 00:12:35,086 THE SET UP A STATE EXCHANGE TO 387 00:12:35,089 --> 00:12:36,087 HELP THESE 200,000 PEOPLE HAVE A 388 00:12:36,090 --> 00:12:37,288 SUSTAINABLE MARKET PLACE AND 389 00:12:37,291 --> 00:12:39,090 THAT COULD HAVE CAUSED ALL OF 390 00:12:39,093 --> 00:12:41,559 THE PREMIUMS FOR THOSE FOLKS TO 391 00:12:41,562 --> 00:12:43,094 GO OUT OF CONTROL WHEN ALL OF A 392 00:12:43,097 --> 00:12:45,196 SUDDEN THE TAX CREDITS FOR LOW 393 00:12:45,199 --> 00:12:46,664 AND MIDDLE INCOME FOLKS WOULD 394 00:12:46,667 --> 00:12:48,766 SUDDEN DISAPPEAR. 395 00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:49,934 SO IT WAS NEVER SOMETHING THE 396 00:12:49,937 --> 00:12:51,235 ADMINISTRATION THOUGHT WAS TRULY 397 00:12:51,238 --> 00:12:52,804 GOING TO HAPPEN AND FRANKLY WHEN 398 00:12:52,807 --> 00:12:55,039 I WAS THERE IT WAS NOTHING 399 00:12:55,042 --> 00:12:57,075 SOMETHING WE WERE EVER EVEN 400 00:12:57,078 --> 00:12:58,009 PREPARED FOR BUT IT WOULD HAVE 401 00:12:58,012 --> 00:12:59,644 BEEN ABSOLUTELY DISASTROUS. 402 00:12:59,647 --> 00:13:01,946 >> HAVING LOOKED AT THIS THROUGH 403 00:13:01,949 --> 00:13:03,881 THE EYES OF A DOCTOR WHO DEALS 404 00:13:03,884 --> 00:13:05,983 WITH IT ON THE GROUND AND ALSO 405 00:13:05,986 --> 00:13:07,719 THROUGH THE EYES OF THE 406 00:13:07,722 --> 00:13:08,619 SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND THE 407 00:13:08,622 --> 00:13:10,488 ADMINISTRATION, DO YOU SEE 408 00:13:10,491 --> 00:13:11,656 THINGS WITHIN THE AFFORDABLE 409 00:13:11,659 --> 00:13:13,758 CARE ACT THAT YOU LOOK AND SAY, 410 00:13:13,761 --> 00:13:15,960 WELL THAT COULD BE DONE A LITTLE 411 00:13:15,963 --> 00:13:18,796 BIT BETTER, OR IS IT ABOUT AS 412 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:20,365 GOOD AS IT CAN GET? 413 00:13:20,368 --> 00:13:21,966 >> WE CAN ALWAYS DO BETTER. 414 00:13:21,969 --> 00:13:23,301 I THINK YOU'LL HEAR THAT FROM 415 00:13:23,304 --> 00:13:26,604 SECRETARY BURWELL AND THE 416 00:13:26,607 --> 00:13:27,572 PRESIDENT HIMSELF. 417 00:13:27,575 --> 00:13:28,606 BUT IS IT SOMETHING THAT AS A 418 00:13:28,609 --> 00:13:29,340 PHYSICIAN, I SEE PATIENTS ABLE 419 00:13:29,343 --> 00:13:30,675 PHYSICIAN, I SEE PATIENTS ABLE 420 00:13:30,678 --> 00:13:32,143 TO COME IN AND AFFORD TO GET 421 00:13:32,146 --> 00:13:34,912 CARE THEY NEED AT A TIME WHEN 422 00:13:34,915 --> 00:13:36,014 THEY NEED IT -- YES. 423 00:13:36,017 --> 00:13:37,148 THAT IS SOMETHING ALL OF US IN 424 00:13:37,151 --> 00:13:38,282 HEALTH CARE ARE SEEING MORE AND 425 00:13:38,285 --> 00:13:39,717 MORE AND THAT IS REALLY WHAT IT 426 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,185 IS ALL ABOUT, MAKING SURE 427 00:13:41,188 --> 00:13:42,920 PATIENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES GET 428 00:13:42,923 --> 00:13:43,755 THE ACCESS TO THE CARE THEY NEED 429 00:13:43,758 --> 00:13:45,490 AT A TIME WHEN THEY NEED IT. 430 00:13:45,493 --> 00:13:49,861 >> WORKING IN A HOSPITAL AND 431 00:13:49,864 --> 00:13:53,197 WORKING IN AN E.R., DO YOU SEE 432 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,165 LESS EMERGENCY ROOM FAMILY 433 00:13:54,168 --> 00:13:56,234 PHYSICIAN-TYPE VISITS NOW THAN 434 00:13:56,237 --> 00:13:58,903 YOU USED TO OR DO YOU STILL SEE 435 00:13:58,906 --> 00:14:00,471 PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE E.R. 436 00:14:00,474 --> 00:14:00,872 DOORS FOR WHAT ARE NOT 437 00:14:00,875 --> 00:14:03,274 EMERGENCIES? 438 00:14:03,277 --> 00:14:04,342 >> THERE IS GOING TO BE A DEGREE 439 00:14:04,345 --> 00:14:06,944 OF THAT ALWAYS. 440 00:14:06,947 --> 00:14:08,846 IT IS UNFORTUNATELY -- A LOT OF 441 00:14:08,849 --> 00:14:10,915 FOLKS UNABLE TO AFFORD AND GET 442 00:14:10,918 --> 00:14:13,651 SOME TYPE OF INSURANCE BEFORE, 443 00:14:13,654 --> 00:14:16,721 THINGS WILL GET OUT OF CONTROL, 444 00:14:16,724 --> 00:14:18,322 OKAY THIS WON'T STOP BLEEDING OR 445 00:14:18,325 --> 00:14:20,191 GRANDMA IS TOO BLUE TO PUT THIS 446 00:14:20,194 --> 00:14:21,359 OFF, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE E.R. 447 00:14:21,362 --> 00:14:23,094 OR THE CHEST PAIN REALLY WON'T 448 00:14:23,097 --> 00:14:24,896 GO AWAY AND THAT IS WHERE FOLKS 449 00:14:24,899 --> 00:14:25,997 WERE USED TO GOING AND NOW THAT 450 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,800 THEY HAVE INSURANCE ONE OF THE 451 00:14:28,803 --> 00:14:30,702 MAIN GOALS ACTUALLY FOR HHS AT 452 00:14:30,705 --> 00:14:33,137 THE TIME AND I KNOW IT STILL IS 453 00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:35,206 IS TO HELP PEOPLE MEAN WHAT IT 454 00:14:35,209 --> 00:14:37,041 IS TO HAVE INSURANCE. 455 00:14:37,044 --> 00:14:37,975 HERE IS YOUR PRIMARY CARE 456 00:14:37,978 --> 00:14:39,610 PROVIDER AND THIS IS YOUR 457 00:14:39,613 --> 00:14:41,045 MEDICAL HOME AND TO EDUCATE 458 00:14:41,048 --> 00:14:42,347 PATIENTS WHO WERE PREVIOUSLY NOT 459 00:14:42,350 --> 00:14:44,215 ABLE TO GET INSURANCE AND 460 00:14:44,218 --> 00:14:46,617 EVERYONE ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO 461 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:48,686 ACCESS THAT CARE AND FRACHGLY 462 00:14:48,689 --> 00:14:50,822 THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY AND 463 00:14:50,825 --> 00:14:52,623 THE BESTER WAY TO DO IT FOR 464 00:14:52,626 --> 00:14:53,858 THEIR HEALTH, MATT HEINZ THANK 465 00:14:53,861 --> 00:14:54,892 YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE 466 00:14:54,895 --> 00:14:55,193 AFFORDABLE CARE ACT THROUGH YOUR 467 00:14:55,196 --> 00:14:55,626 EYES. 468 00:14:55,629 --> 00:14:57,095 >> CERTAINLY. 469 00:14:57,098 --> 00:14:58,529 IT IS GOOD TO BE HERE. 470 00:14:58,532 --> 00:15:00,865 >>> THE SUPREME COURT ENDED THE 471 00:15:00,868 --> 00:15:02,734 WEEK BY LEGALIZING SAME-SEX 472 00:15:02,737 --> 00:15:04,802 MARRIAGE BUT DID NOT RULE ON THE 473 00:15:04,805 --> 00:15:05,970 STATE'S REDISTRICTING CASE. 474 00:15:05,973 --> 00:15:09,040 WE BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION OF THOSE 475 00:15:09,043 --> 00:15:11,609 TWO CASES WITH BILL BEARD, THE 476 00:15:11,612 --> 00:15:12,377 CHAIRMAN OF THE PIMA COUNTY 477 00:15:12,380 --> 00:15:16,547 REPUBLICAN PARTY. 478 00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:17,582 >> LET'S START WITH TODAY'S 479 00:15:17,585 --> 00:15:20,918 RULING ON THE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. 480 00:15:20,921 --> 00:15:22,387 IT REAFFIRMS WHAT IT ALREADY 481 00:15:22,390 --> 00:15:23,821 HAPPENED IN ARIZONA FROM A COURT 482 00:15:23,824 --> 00:15:25,957 RULING A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO 483 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:26,257 BUT NOW IT IS LEGAL ALL OVER THE 484 00:15:26,260 --> 00:15:29,160 LAND. 485 00:15:29,163 --> 00:15:31,329 >> YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS 486 00:15:31,332 --> 00:15:34,932 THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS THE 487 00:15:34,935 --> 00:15:37,035 AUTHORITY ON THAT -- THE RULING. 488 00:15:37,038 --> 00:15:37,335 AND YOU CAN LIKE OR DISLIKE WHAT 489 00:15:37,338 --> 00:15:39,170 IT IS. 490 00:15:39,173 --> 00:15:40,938 THERE ARE THINGS THAT SUPREME 491 00:15:40,941 --> 00:15:43,307 COURTS HAVE HANDED DOWN OVER THE 492 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:44,842 YEARS THAT EITHER PERSONALLY OR 493 00:15:44,845 --> 00:15:46,411 FROM A PARTY PERSPECTIVE WE 494 00:15:46,414 --> 00:15:49,080 HAVEN'T EXACTLY AGREED WITH BUT 495 00:15:49,083 --> 00:15:50,214 WE FIRMLY ABELIEVE THAT WHAT THE 496 00:15:50,217 --> 00:15:51,883 SUPREME COURT SAYS, THAT IS THE 497 00:15:51,886 --> 00:15:53,084 LAW OF THE LAND AND IT IS UP SO 498 00:15:53,087 --> 00:15:55,586 THE LEGISLATORS AND THE 499 00:15:55,589 --> 00:15:56,487 GOVERNORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO 500 00:15:56,490 --> 00:15:58,589 IMPLEMENT THAT LAW. 501 00:15:58,592 --> 00:16:00,992 >> LET'S MOVE TO WHAT WE WILL 502 00:16:00,995 --> 00:16:01,326 ASSUME IS A RULING COMING 503 00:16:01,329 --> 00:16:03,594 MONDAY. 504 00:16:03,597 --> 00:16:03,928 THE REDISTRICTING CASE FOR 505 00:16:03,931 --> 00:16:06,764 ARIZONA. 506 00:16:06,767 --> 00:16:08,066 THE QUESTION BEING, ARE 507 00:16:08,069 --> 00:16:10,802 ARIZONA'S CONGRESSIONAL 508 00:16:10,805 --> 00:16:14,839 DISTRICTS CORRECTLY WRITTEN OR 509 00:16:14,842 --> 00:16:16,774 CORRECTLY DRAWN BY THE BODY. 510 00:16:16,777 --> 00:16:19,644 WHAT HAPPENS COME MONDAY IF THE 511 00:16:19,647 --> 00:16:21,212 COURT RULES THAT ARIZONA'S 512 00:16:21,215 --> 00:16:21,779 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS ARE NO 513 00:16:21,782 --> 00:16:23,915 GOOD? 514 00:16:23,918 --> 00:16:25,883 >> WELL, A LESSON TO REMEMBER IN 515 00:16:25,886 --> 00:16:28,319 THIS CONVERSATION, THIS ISN'T A 516 00:16:28,322 --> 00:16:30,555 LEGISLATIVE ISSUE, THIS IS AN 517 00:16:30,558 --> 00:16:31,322 ISSUE ABOUT WHAT THE -- WHAT THE 518 00:16:31,325 --> 00:16:32,957 CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED 519 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,625 STATES ACTUALLY SAYS IN IT. 520 00:16:34,628 --> 00:16:37,061 AND IT IS PRETTY CLEAR TO THE 521 00:16:37,064 --> 00:16:39,297 AVERAGE PERSON READING, IT SAYS 522 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:40,098 THE STATE LEGISLATORS ARE THE 523 00:16:40,101 --> 00:16:43,267 ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR DETERMINING 524 00:16:43,270 --> 00:16:44,335 THE LINES FOR -- FOR DETERMINING 525 00:16:44,338 --> 00:16:46,037 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. 526 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,239 THAT IS PRETTY CLEAR. 527 00:16:48,242 --> 00:16:49,774 I DON'T CARE WHAT SIDE OF THE 528 00:16:49,777 --> 00:16:52,110 POLITICAL SPECTRUM YOU COME DOWN 529 00:16:52,113 --> 00:16:52,477 ON, THAT LANGUAGE IS PRETTY 530 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,746 CLEAR. 531 00:16:54,749 --> 00:16:56,180 EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN 532 00:16:56,183 --> 00:16:57,849 REPORTED IN FOLKS THAT REALLY 533 00:16:57,852 --> 00:16:59,517 FOLLOW THIS STUFF, IT IS 534 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,119 BASICALLY PROBABLY GOING TO COME 535 00:17:01,122 --> 00:17:03,788 DOWN TO THE SUPREME COURT 536 00:17:03,791 --> 00:17:05,690 SAYING, YES, INDEED, IT IS UP TO 537 00:17:05,693 --> 00:17:07,091 THE LEGISLATORS ACROSS THE 538 00:17:07,094 --> 00:17:07,925 COUNTRY TO DETERMINE WHAT THOSE 539 00:17:07,928 --> 00:17:12,096 LINES ARE. 540 00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:13,598 AND IN ESSENCE, SAY TO THE 541 00:17:13,601 --> 00:17:14,899 INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING 542 00:17:14,902 --> 00:17:16,501 COMMISSION, YOU NO LONGER HAVE 543 00:17:16,504 --> 00:17:17,168 THE AUTHORITY TO DRAW THOSE 544 00:17:17,171 --> 00:17:20,004 LINES. 545 00:17:20,007 --> 00:17:21,072 IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE 546 00:17:21,075 --> 00:17:22,940 WHAT THE VARIOUS SIDES DO AS A 547 00:17:22,943 --> 00:17:25,076 RESULT FROM THAT. 548 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:27,478 THE POPCORN CONCESSION SHOULD BE 549 00:17:27,481 --> 00:17:27,779 QUITE ENTERTAINING FOR MOST 550 00:17:27,782 --> 00:17:29,614 FOLKS. 551 00:17:29,617 --> 00:17:32,150 BUT I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS 552 00:17:32,153 --> 00:17:33,518 IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT -- 553 00:17:33,521 --> 00:17:35,486 THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE 554 00:17:35,489 --> 00:17:37,188 THAT ARE ELECTED TO OFFICE, ARE 555 00:17:37,191 --> 00:17:37,989 THE ONES THAT ARE HELD 556 00:17:37,992 --> 00:17:39,357 ACCOUNTABLE, YOU WANT THE 557 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:40,692 LEGISLATOR TO BE THE ONES TO 558 00:17:40,695 --> 00:17:42,493 DRAW THOSE LINES BECAUSE RIGHT 559 00:17:42,496 --> 00:17:43,528 NOW THE INDEPENDENT 560 00:17:43,531 --> 00:17:45,263 REDISTRICTING COMMISSION, THEY 561 00:17:45,266 --> 00:17:46,497 ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE TO ANYONE 562 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:48,866 BUT THEMSELVES. 563 00:17:48,869 --> 00:17:52,370 >> WE HAVE TWO DISTRICTS OF 564 00:17:52,373 --> 00:17:56,441 PARTICULAR NOTE IN ARIZONA, 565 00:17:56,444 --> 00:17:58,776 DISTRICT TWO, MARTHA McSALLY'S 566 00:17:58,779 --> 00:18:02,347 DISTRICT AND KIRSTEN CINEMA'S 567 00:18:02,350 --> 00:18:04,816 DISTRICT THAT ARE VERY 568 00:18:04,819 --> 00:18:07,251 COMPETITIVE, AND McFALLY ONLY 569 00:18:07,254 --> 00:18:10,221 WON BY 167 VOTES AND WILL THOSE 570 00:18:10,224 --> 00:18:11,589 DISTRICTS DO YOU THINK WILL 571 00:18:11,592 --> 00:18:13,624 DRASTICALLY CHANGE AND COULD YOU 572 00:18:13,627 --> 00:18:16,160 CHANGE THEM TO MAKE -- YOU COULD 573 00:18:16,163 --> 00:18:17,562 CHANGE THEM TO MAKE THEY LESS 574 00:18:17,565 --> 00:18:18,696 COMPETITIVE BUT WILL THEY EVER 575 00:18:18,699 --> 00:18:21,399 BE A SAFE DISTRICT. 576 00:18:21,402 --> 00:18:22,233 >> ANY TIME THAT YOU START TO 577 00:18:22,236 --> 00:18:23,334 DRAW LINES AND ANYBODY THAT 578 00:18:23,337 --> 00:18:24,869 UNDERSTANDS HOW THE PROCESS 579 00:18:24,872 --> 00:18:27,171 WORKS, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF 580 00:18:27,174 --> 00:18:29,540 FACTORS THAT GO INTO IT. 581 00:18:29,543 --> 00:18:31,776 YOU HAVE POPULATION OF INTEREST, 582 00:18:31,779 --> 00:18:32,510 YOU HAVE GEOGRAPHY, A LOT OF 583 00:18:32,513 --> 00:18:33,811 THINGS THAT GO INTO DETERMINING 584 00:18:33,814 --> 00:18:35,346 WHERE THE LINES ARE DRAWN. 585 00:18:35,349 --> 00:18:38,383 AND WHENEVER YOU START DRAWING A 586 00:18:38,386 --> 00:18:39,684 LINE IN ONE LOCATION, YOU START 587 00:18:39,687 --> 00:18:41,085 DETERMINING WHERE THE 588 00:18:41,088 --> 00:18:42,286 CORRESPONDING OTHER LINES ARE 589 00:18:42,289 --> 00:18:43,788 GOING TO BE ACROSS WHATEVER THAT 590 00:18:43,791 --> 00:18:45,656 DISTRICT IS DETERMINED. 591 00:18:45,659 --> 00:18:47,425 I THINK FOR MOST FOLKS THAT LIVE 592 00:18:47,428 --> 00:18:51,829 IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA, YOU 593 00:18:51,832 --> 00:18:57,368 WILL SEE A CONGRESSIONAL -- JUST 594 00:18:57,371 --> 00:18:58,903 AS A -- AS AN EXERCISE FOR THE 595 00:18:58,906 --> 00:19:00,071 INTELLECT, IT WILL COME DOWN TO 596 00:19:00,074 --> 00:19:05,376 MORE REPRESENTATION FOR 597 00:19:05,379 --> 00:19:06,110 REPUBLICANS THAN DEMOCRATS 598 00:19:06,113 --> 00:19:06,811 SIMPLY AS A MATTER THAT IS WHERE 599 00:19:06,814 --> 00:19:07,412 THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS IN 600 00:19:07,415 --> 00:19:08,946 ARIZONA HAPPEN TO BE. 601 00:19:08,949 --> 00:19:12,083 THE COMPUTERS CAN DRAW THE LINES 602 00:19:12,086 --> 00:19:12,950 IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND 603 00:19:12,953 --> 00:19:14,519 CONFIGURATIONS BUT I THINK 604 00:19:14,522 --> 00:19:16,421 YOU'LL SEE FOR THE MOST PART THE 605 00:19:16,424 --> 00:19:19,123 NEW LINES, ASSUMING THE SUPREME 606 00:19:19,126 --> 00:19:20,758 COURT HANDS DOWN THE DECISION WE 607 00:19:20,761 --> 00:19:23,461 EXPECT, YOU'LL SEE LINES MORE IN 608 00:19:23,464 --> 00:19:25,163 LINE WITH WHERE THE FOLKS LIVE 609 00:19:25,166 --> 00:19:26,964 IN THE VARIOUS PARTS OF THE 610 00:19:26,967 --> 00:19:28,299 STATE AND CARVE UP THOSE AREAS 611 00:19:28,302 --> 00:19:29,834 MORE REPRESENTATIVE TO REFLECT 612 00:19:29,837 --> 00:19:31,269 WHAT IT IS THE POPULATION OF 613 00:19:31,272 --> 00:19:33,638 ARIZONA ACTUALLY IS. 614 00:19:33,641 --> 00:19:36,040 >> IF THE LINES ARE ORDERED TO 615 00:19:36,043 --> 00:19:38,943 BE REDRAWN, IS IT REALISTIC TO 616 00:19:38,946 --> 00:19:41,579 THINK COURT CASES BEING WHAT 617 00:19:41,582 --> 00:19:43,147 THEY WILL BE, IF IT THEY DO GET 618 00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:45,683 REDRAWN, THAT THESE DISTRICTS 619 00:19:45,686 --> 00:19:47,185 WOULD GO INTO EFFECT FOR THE 620 00:19:47,188 --> 00:19:50,021 2016 ELECTION OR REALISTICALLY 621 00:19:50,024 --> 00:19:51,989 WOULD THESE BE A 2018 CHANGE. 622 00:19:51,992 --> 00:19:54,459 >> IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE LAST 623 00:19:54,462 --> 00:19:56,527 TWO TIMES WE DID REDISTRICTING 624 00:19:56,530 --> 00:19:58,262 FOLLOWING A NORMAL CENSUS, THERE 625 00:19:58,265 --> 00:20:00,665 WERE COURT CASES OF VARIOUS 626 00:20:00,668 --> 00:20:02,166 TYPES BUT FOR THE MOST PART EVEN 627 00:20:02,169 --> 00:20:03,501 IN 2014 WHEN THE LINES WERE 628 00:20:03,504 --> 00:20:05,169 DRAWN, THEY WERE DRAWN LATE IN 629 00:20:05,172 --> 00:20:06,204 THE CYCLE AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 630 00:20:06,207 --> 00:20:07,972 THE SECRETARY OF STATE THAT HAD 631 00:20:07,975 --> 00:20:09,707 TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT IF 632 00:20:09,710 --> 00:20:12,377 YOU WERE -- HAD ALREADY FILED 633 00:20:12,380 --> 00:20:14,312 FOR OFFICE, YOU COULD GATHER 634 00:20:14,315 --> 00:20:15,013 SIGNATURES IN BOTH THE OLD 635 00:20:15,016 --> 00:20:16,180 CONFIGURATION OF THE DISTRICT 636 00:20:16,183 --> 00:20:17,682 AND THE NEW. 637 00:20:17,685 --> 00:20:18,783 I WOULD EXPECT GIVEN THAT 638 00:20:18,786 --> 00:20:20,218 PRECEDENT THAT THE SECRETARY OF 639 00:20:20,221 --> 00:20:22,954 STATE WOULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR 640 00:20:22,957 --> 00:20:26,891 IN TERMS OF -- IF YOU ARE 641 00:20:26,894 --> 00:20:27,925 GATHERING SIGNATURES FOR OFFICE, 642 00:20:27,928 --> 00:20:29,794 ASSUMING THEY WERE TO DRAW NEW 643 00:20:29,797 --> 00:20:32,563 LINES LATER THIS SUMMER, THAT 644 00:20:32,566 --> 00:20:33,598 WOULD GIVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR 645 00:20:33,601 --> 00:20:35,400 ANYBODY RUNNING FOR THE 646 00:20:35,403 --> 00:20:36,834 DISTRICTS FOR CONGRESS TO GATHER 647 00:20:36,837 --> 00:20:38,469 SIGNATURES IN THE APPROPRIATE 648 00:20:38,472 --> 00:20:40,304 AREAS TO GET ON THE BALLOT. 649 00:20:40,307 --> 00:20:42,006 >> WITH ABOUT A MINUTE TO GO, 650 00:20:42,009 --> 00:20:43,841 HOW HARD IS IT WITH ALL OF THIS 651 00:20:43,844 --> 00:20:44,242 LOOMING OUT THERE TO RECRUIT 652 00:20:44,245 --> 00:20:45,943 CANDIDATES? 653 00:20:45,946 --> 00:20:47,745 >> IT IS FUNNY, AS CHAIRMAN OF 654 00:20:47,748 --> 00:20:49,480 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN PIMA 655 00:20:49,483 --> 00:20:52,083 COUNTY, THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR 656 00:20:52,086 --> 00:20:54,786 REPUBLICANS IN ANY OFFICE ARE 657 00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:56,788 FRANKLY -- IT IS FERTILE GROUND 658 00:20:56,791 --> 00:20:57,155 FOR MANY FOLKS THAT ARE OUT 659 00:20:57,158 --> 00:20:58,523 THERE. 660 00:20:58,526 --> 00:21:00,191 IT DOES COME DOWN, WHEN YOU ARE 661 00:21:00,194 --> 00:21:01,993 MAKING THE DECISION TO RUN FOR 662 00:21:01,996 --> 00:21:04,929 OFFICE, IT IS NOT JUST A 663 00:21:04,932 --> 00:21:05,563 PERSONAL DECISION FOR YOU 664 00:21:05,566 --> 00:21:06,197 YOURSELF, IT INVOLVES THE 665 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,432 FAMILY, IT INVOLVES YOUR 666 00:21:07,435 --> 00:21:07,799 PERSONAL FINANCES, IT INVOLVES 667 00:21:07,802 --> 00:21:09,901 YOUR JOB. 668 00:21:09,904 --> 00:21:11,069 ALL OF THOSE THINGS GO INTO THE 669 00:21:11,072 --> 00:21:13,738 PROCESS OF FIGURING IT OUT. 670 00:21:13,741 --> 00:21:16,374 BUT ULTIMATELY, IF YOUR THINKING 671 00:21:16,377 --> 00:21:18,176 IN TERMS OF REPUBLICANS VERSUS 672 00:21:18,179 --> 00:21:20,978 DEMOCRATS, THE GROUND IN 673 00:21:20,981 --> 00:21:22,880 SOUTHERN ARIZONA, WE'VE GOT 674 00:21:22,883 --> 00:21:24,415 FERTILE FIELD AND THE HORIZONS 675 00:21:24,418 --> 00:21:25,583 ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC FOR ALL OF 676 00:21:25,586 --> 00:21:27,051 OUR CANDIDATES. 677 00:21:27,054 --> 00:21:28,252 >> ALL RIGHT, WELL THANKS FOR 678 00:21:28,255 --> 00:21:29,053 SITTING DOWN WITH US AND TALKING 679 00:21:29,056 --> 00:21:34,392 ABOUT ALL OF THIS. 680 00:21:34,395 --> 00:21:36,427 >>> AND NOW HERE IS CHERYL CAGE, 681 00:21:36,430 --> 00:21:38,363 THE CHAIR OF THE PIMA COUNTY 682 00:21:38,366 --> 00:21:40,465 DEMOCRATIC PARTY. 683 00:21:40,468 --> 00:21:42,533 >> CHERYL LET'S START WITH 684 00:21:42,536 --> 00:21:43,368 TODAY'S RULING OUT OF THE 685 00:21:43,371 --> 00:21:45,703 SUPREME COURT ON SAME-SEX 686 00:21:45,706 --> 00:21:46,771 MARRIAGE AFFIRMS WHAT HAPPENED 687 00:21:46,774 --> 00:21:47,972 HERE IN ARIZONA, SAME-SEX 688 00:21:47,975 --> 00:21:49,941 MARRIAGE LEGAL EVERYWHERE. 689 00:21:49,944 --> 00:21:52,710 >> IT HAS BEEN TRULY A 690 00:21:52,713 --> 00:21:53,811 REMARKABLE WEEK. 691 00:21:53,814 --> 00:21:57,882 I THINK WE ARE -- ARE SEEING 692 00:21:57,885 --> 00:21:59,450 THIS WONDERFUL TREND OF IN 693 00:21:59,453 --> 00:22:01,652 COLLUSIVENESS, OBAMA CARE IS NOW 694 00:22:01,655 --> 00:22:04,088 THE TRUE LAW OF THE LAND, IT IS 695 00:22:04,091 --> 00:22:07,825 A RIGHT, NOT A PRIVILEGE TO HAVE 696 00:22:07,828 --> 00:22:09,460 MEDICAL CARE, AND NOW IT SOUNDS 697 00:22:09,463 --> 00:22:12,697 CORNY BUT LOVE HAS WON OUT. 698 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:13,965 AND I THINK TODAY IS A 699 00:22:13,968 --> 00:22:15,767 REMARKABLE DAY AND I JUST 700 00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:16,034 COULDN'T BE MORE EXCITED ABOUT 701 00:22:16,037 --> 00:22:19,470 IT. 702 00:22:19,473 --> 00:22:20,505 >> AND AS WE SAID, ARIZONA, THIS 703 00:22:20,508 --> 00:22:22,373 HAD ALREADY BECOME THE LAW IN 704 00:22:22,376 --> 00:22:25,743 ARIZONA A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO 705 00:22:25,746 --> 00:22:26,144 BUT NOW IT DOES AFFIRM IT 706 00:22:26,147 --> 00:22:26,878 NATIONWIDE. 707 00:22:26,881 --> 00:22:28,279 SO OFF WE GO. 708 00:22:28,282 --> 00:22:30,148 >> OFF WE GO. 709 00:22:30,151 --> 00:22:34,185 AND WE STILL HAVE -- WE STILL 710 00:22:34,188 --> 00:22:35,687 HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, TO 711 00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:40,224 REACH TRUE EQUALITY. 712 00:22:40,227 --> 00:22:41,759 WOMEN STILL MAKE LESS THAN MEN. 713 00:22:41,762 --> 00:22:44,495 THEY ARE STILL -- WE JUST HAD 714 00:22:44,498 --> 00:22:45,129 THE CHARLESTON SITUATION, BUT 715 00:22:45,132 --> 00:22:47,265 WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT 716 00:22:47,268 --> 00:22:48,099 DISCRETION AND IT FEELS VERY, 717 00:22:48,102 --> 00:22:50,134 VERY HOPEFUL. 718 00:22:50,137 --> 00:22:51,369 >> LET'S LOOK FORWARD TO MONDAY. 719 00:22:51,372 --> 00:22:53,705 THE CASE ARIZONA HAS BEEN 720 00:22:53,708 --> 00:22:55,540 WAITING FOR FOR WEEKS, WE'VE ALL 721 00:22:55,543 --> 00:22:56,774 BEEN GETTING UP EARLY TO SEE IF 722 00:22:56,777 --> 00:22:58,209 THE COURT RULES AND THAT IS THE 723 00:22:58,212 --> 00:22:58,943 ARIZONA REDISTRICTING CASE. 724 00:22:58,946 --> 00:23:02,046 >> RIGHT. 725 00:23:02,049 --> 00:23:03,314 >> WILL ARIZONA'S CONGRESSIONAL 726 00:23:03,317 --> 00:23:05,650 LINES BE FOUND CONSTITUTIONAL 727 00:23:05,653 --> 00:23:06,884 BECAUSE THEY WERE DRAWN BY THE 728 00:23:06,887 --> 00:23:09,520 INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING 729 00:23:09,523 --> 00:23:11,689 COMMISSION, NOT THE LEGISLATURE. 730 00:23:11,692 --> 00:23:12,924 MONDAY MORNING WE SHOULD GET A 731 00:23:12,927 --> 00:23:13,925 RULING. 732 00:23:13,928 --> 00:23:16,661 WHAT HAPPENS FROM YOUR 733 00:23:16,664 --> 00:23:17,662 PERSPECTIVE IF THE RULING GOES 734 00:23:17,665 --> 00:23:20,732 IN FAVOR OF THE LEGISLATURE AND 735 00:23:20,735 --> 00:23:21,899 WE HAVE TO REDRAW THESE LINES, 736 00:23:21,902 --> 00:23:23,968 POSSIBLY BEFORE 2016? 737 00:23:23,971 --> 00:23:25,269 >> WELL I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT 738 00:23:25,272 --> 00:23:27,872 FIRST BEFORE YOU ANSWER HOW 739 00:23:27,875 --> 00:23:29,974 WE'LL APPROACH THAT, WITH 740 00:23:29,977 --> 00:23:31,943 LOOKING AT IT IN A BROAD CONTEXT 741 00:23:31,946 --> 00:23:36,614 AND I THINK THIS WEEK IS A 742 00:23:36,617 --> 00:23:38,850 PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE FACT THAT 743 00:23:38,853 --> 00:23:39,183 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS RUNNING 744 00:23:39,186 --> 00:23:42,253 SCARED. 745 00:23:42,256 --> 00:23:42,587 THERE IS A CHANGING VIEW IN 746 00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:47,091 AMERICA. 747 00:23:47,094 --> 00:23:47,525 WE'RE GOING TOWARDS A MAJORITY 748 00:23:47,528 --> 00:23:52,130 MINORITY. 749 00:23:52,133 --> 00:23:53,598 YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WE WANT 750 00:23:53,601 --> 00:23:55,867 INCLUSIVENESS. 751 00:23:55,870 --> 00:23:57,135 AND INSTEAD OF CHANGING THEIR 752 00:23:57,138 --> 00:23:58,336 POLITICS, BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN 753 00:23:58,339 --> 00:24:02,206 PARTY HAS BEEN AGAINST 754 00:24:02,209 --> 00:24:04,342 EVERYTHING THAT PASSED FROM 755 00:24:04,345 --> 00:24:07,578 SCOTUS THIS WEEK, AGAINST GAY 756 00:24:07,581 --> 00:24:09,414 MARRIAGE, AGAINST OBAMA CARE, 757 00:24:09,417 --> 00:24:11,115 THIS REDISTRICTING CASE IS THE 758 00:24:11,118 --> 00:24:12,917 LAST ATTEMPT AT A POWER GRAB TO 759 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,786 STAY IN POWER. 760 00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:17,522 AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL 761 00:24:17,525 --> 00:24:19,090 HAPPEN, WE WERE TALKING BEFORE, 762 00:24:19,093 --> 00:24:20,925 IN ARIZONA YOU JUST DON'T KNOW 763 00:24:20,928 --> 00:24:23,461 WHICH WAY THINGS ARE GOING TO 764 00:24:23,464 --> 00:24:27,332 GO, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WHATEVER 765 00:24:27,335 --> 00:24:31,035 THE DECISION IS, WE WILL FIGHT 766 00:24:31,038 --> 00:24:34,739 FOR EQUALITY AND FOR JUSTICE. 767 00:24:34,742 --> 00:24:37,208 AND THE VOTERS IN 2000 SAID VERY 768 00:24:37,211 --> 00:24:38,643 CLEARLY, WE DON'T LIKE THE 769 00:24:38,646 --> 00:24:41,279 GERRYMANDERING THAT IS GOING ON 770 00:24:41,282 --> 00:24:44,115 AND THEY PASSED PROPOSITION 106 771 00:24:44,118 --> 00:24:46,150 WHICH CHANGED OUR CONSTITUTION. 772 00:24:46,153 --> 00:24:48,453 AND WE HAVE COMPETITIVE 773 00:24:48,456 --> 00:24:51,823 DISTRICTS, MUCH MORE SO THAN WE 774 00:24:51,826 --> 00:24:54,258 DID BEFORE. 775 00:24:54,261 --> 00:24:55,860 AND I THINK THAT IT IS ALSO 776 00:24:55,863 --> 00:24:58,229 IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT 777 00:24:58,232 --> 00:25:00,298 SEEMS LIKE THE TERM LEGISLATIVE 778 00:25:00,301 --> 00:25:01,232 IS GOING TO BE A BIG TURNING 779 00:25:01,235 --> 00:25:02,467 POINT WITH THIS DECISION. 780 00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:04,302 BUT IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT FOR 781 00:25:04,305 --> 00:25:05,536 PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE 782 00:25:05,539 --> 00:25:07,338 LEGISLATURE WAS NOT CUT OUT OF 783 00:25:07,341 --> 00:25:09,474 THIS PROCESS. 784 00:25:09,477 --> 00:25:10,708 THE FIVE MEMBERS ON THE 785 00:25:10,711 --> 00:25:12,510 COMMISSION, TWO OF THEM ARE 786 00:25:12,513 --> 00:25:14,846 REPUBLICANS, TWO OF THEM ARE 787 00:25:14,849 --> 00:25:16,047 DEMOCRATS, AND THOSE ARE 788 00:25:16,050 --> 00:25:18,316 SELECTED BY THE LEGISLATORS. 789 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:21,619 AND THEN THE FIFTH PERSON IS 790 00:25:21,622 --> 00:25:22,687 SELECTED BY THOSE FOUR PEOPLE. 791 00:25:22,690 --> 00:25:24,355 SO THE LEGISLATURE DOES STILL 792 00:25:24,358 --> 00:25:25,990 HAVE SOME INPUT -- A GREAT DEAL 793 00:25:25,993 --> 00:25:29,527 OF INPUT INTO THIS. 794 00:25:29,530 --> 00:25:32,330 SO I WILL BE VERY DISAPPOINTED 795 00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:34,198 IF IT GOES AGAINST THE 796 00:25:34,201 --> 00:25:35,433 COMMISSION AND I SUSPECT WE'LL 797 00:25:35,436 --> 00:25:36,968 FIGHT IT IF IT DOES. 798 00:25:36,971 --> 00:25:38,269 >> YOU MENTIONED COMPETITIVE 799 00:25:38,272 --> 00:25:41,239 DISTRICTS, IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA, 800 00:25:41,242 --> 00:25:42,740 WE HAVE THE DISTRICT THAT IS NOW 801 00:25:42,743 --> 00:25:44,575 REPRESENTED BY MARTHA McSALLY, 802 00:25:44,578 --> 00:25:47,979 VERY COMPETITIVE IN THE PHOENIX 803 00:25:47,982 --> 00:25:52,050 AREA, THE DISTRICT REPRESENTED 804 00:25:52,053 --> 00:25:53,484 BY REPRESENTATIVE KRYSTEN 805 00:25:53,487 --> 00:25:55,253 SINEMA, VERY COMPETITIVE AND DO 806 00:25:55,256 --> 00:25:57,855 YOU SEE A WAY REALISTICALLY, 807 00:25:57,858 --> 00:25:59,524 BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS TO FIT 808 00:25:59,527 --> 00:26:01,259 TOGETHER, A BIG PUZZLE, THAT 809 00:26:01,262 --> 00:26:02,827 THOSE DISTRICTS BECAME SAFE 810 00:26:02,830 --> 00:26:05,063 DISTRICTS OR WILL THEY ALWAYS 811 00:26:05,066 --> 00:26:06,264 BECOME COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS BUT 812 00:26:06,267 --> 00:26:09,033 IT IS JUST HOW COMPETITIVE? 813 00:26:09,036 --> 00:26:11,302 >> THIS IS WHERE THE CYNIC IN ME 814 00:26:11,305 --> 00:26:13,838 COMES OUT. 815 00:26:13,841 --> 00:26:15,373 I THINK WE KNOW THE REPUBLICANS 816 00:26:15,376 --> 00:26:17,175 IN THE SATE LEGISLATURE HAVE 817 00:26:17,178 --> 00:26:18,609 ALREADY STARTED DRAWING THE MAPS 818 00:26:18,612 --> 00:26:21,145 AND PUT MONEY DOWN ON PEOPLE TO 819 00:26:21,148 --> 00:26:22,447 HELP THEM TO DRAW THOSE MAPS. 820 00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:24,816 THE REASON THAT THEY ARE DOING 821 00:26:24,819 --> 00:26:25,583 THIS IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT 822 00:26:25,586 --> 00:26:30,221 COMPETITIVE DISTRICTS. 823 00:26:30,224 --> 00:26:31,356 I LOVE THE FACT THAT -- I'M 824 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,123 DISAPPOINTED THAT RON BARBER 825 00:26:32,126 --> 00:26:36,127 LOST OBVIOUSLY. 826 00:26:36,130 --> 00:26:37,962 BUT THE FACT THAT HE LOST BY 167 827 00:26:37,965 --> 00:26:39,630 VOTES TELLS ME THAT IS A REALLY 828 00:26:39,633 --> 00:26:40,698 COMPETITIVE DISTRICT. 829 00:26:40,701 --> 00:26:42,066 AND I LIKE THAT. 830 00:26:42,069 --> 00:26:44,302 I LIKE OUR POLITICIANS TO HAVE 831 00:26:44,305 --> 00:26:45,937 TO STAND UP AND SAY THIS IS WHO 832 00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:48,172 I AM, THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO 833 00:26:48,175 --> 00:26:50,108 FIGHT FOR AND THAT IS WHAT YOU 834 00:26:50,111 --> 00:26:52,510 GET IN A -- IN A DISTRICT THAT 835 00:26:52,513 --> 00:26:54,612 IS TRULY COMPETITIVE. 836 00:26:54,615 --> 00:26:56,681 AND MY FEAR IS THAT THEY ARE 837 00:26:56,684 --> 00:26:59,350 GOING TO REDRAW THE LINES TO 838 00:26:59,353 --> 00:27:03,154 WHERE THERE ARE MORE REPUBLICAN 839 00:27:03,157 --> 00:27:05,156 SAFE DISTRICTS AND YOU WILL SEE 840 00:27:05,159 --> 00:27:08,760 PEOPLE GAINING THESE SEATS THAT 841 00:27:08,763 --> 00:27:09,661 PERHAPS ARE NOT THE BEST PEOPLE 842 00:27:09,664 --> 00:27:12,363 TO HAVE. 843 00:27:12,366 --> 00:27:13,965 I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN LOTS OF 844 00:27:13,968 --> 00:27:15,366 TALK, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING 845 00:27:15,369 --> 00:27:17,301 THAT YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW, 846 00:27:17,304 --> 00:27:18,269 THAT DAVID GOWAN IS LOOKING FOR 847 00:27:18,272 --> 00:27:20,004 A CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. 848 00:27:20,007 --> 00:27:22,240 AND THIS IS A POLITICIAN THAT 849 00:27:22,243 --> 00:27:25,143 QUITE FRANKLY, I'M SURE HE'S A 850 00:27:25,146 --> 00:27:28,613 LOVELY MAN, BUT HE'S TONE DEAF. 851 00:27:28,616 --> 00:27:30,815 HE CUTS J TED AND THEN HE USED 852 00:27:30,818 --> 00:27:34,686 THE J TED STUDENTS TO FIX HIS 853 00:27:34,689 --> 00:27:36,454 CAR AND SAVE BETWEEN $700 AND 854 00:27:36,457 --> 00:27:37,422 $1,000 AND DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING 855 00:27:37,425 --> 00:27:39,057 WRONG WITH THAT. 856 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:39,457 THAT IS NOT COMPETITIVE 857 00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:40,858 CANDIDATES. 858 00:27:40,861 --> 00:27:42,093 >> WELL THANKS FOR COMING IN AND 859 00:27:42,096 --> 00:27:43,328 TALKING WITH US ABOUT THIS. 860 00:27:43,331 --> 00:27:45,163 WE'LL ALL WAIT FOR MONDAY 861 00:27:45,166 --> 00:27:45,863 MORNING TO SEE WHAT THE SUPREME 862 00:27:45,866 --> 00:27:47,799 COURT WILL RULE. 863 00:27:47,802 --> 00:27:48,399 >> I'LL BE UP EARLY IF YOU NEED 864 00:27:48,402 --> 00:27:48,933 TO CALL ME. 865 00:27:48,936 --> 00:27:49,467 >> THANK YOU. 866 00:27:49,470 --> 00:27:50,868 >> THANK YOU. 867 00:27:50,871 --> 00:27:51,402 >> AND THAT IS OUR PROGRAM FOR 868 00:27:51,405 --> 00:27:54,572 THIS WEEK. 869 00:27:54,575 --> 00:27:54,939 WE'RE OFF NEXT WEEK IN HONOR OF 870 00:27:54,942 --> 00:27:56,941 JULY 4TH. 871 00:27:56,944 --> 00:28:03,014 THANKS FOR WATCHING.