WEBVTT 00:00.539 --> 00:04.610 so the world's best riders in Tucson for the Festival of Books 00:04.610 --> 00:10.670 the moment I realized that there was a person hiding behind the word I wanted 00:10.670 --> 00:12.320 to be the person putting the birds 00:12.320 --> 00:16.500 on the pages a two-day event promoting literacy 00:16.500 --> 00:19.670 for all age groups since I went to high school 00:19.670 --> 00:22.990 and even throughout grammar to grammar school 00:22.990 --> 00:26.779 I was trying to be invisible I I am I get seen or heard 00:26.779 --> 00:33.779 this is Arizona week 00:36.730 --> 00:40.829 the Tucson Festival of Books celebrates its seventh year this weekend 00:40.829 --> 00:43.899 bringing together authors from all over the world 00:43.899 --> 00:48.339 among them is JA Jance a New York Times bestselling author 00:48.339 --> 00:52.050 who was raised in bisbee arizona 00:52.050 --> 00:57.480 I submitted my first manuscript until proven guilty the first Belmont Park 00:57.480 --> 01:01.910 to my agent she know it was a police procedural 01:01.910 --> 01:05.140 written in the first person through mail point if you know and I 01:05.140 --> 01:09.370 gave her a manuscript that said until proven guilty 01:09.370 --> 01:13.690 I do that a chance on the title page she rewrote 01:13.690 --> 01:18.900 title page to say until proven guilty patching a chance 01:18.900 --> 01:23.220 the second editor a site called her up and said 01:23.220 --> 01:27.030 by the guy who wrote until proven guilty is a good writer 01:27.030 --> 01:31.090 and she said well public you say bye told the guy who wrote 01:31.090 --> 01:34.770 until proven guilty was a woman said had said she would they have up 01:34.770 --> 01:38.960 a helluva good writer so he but menace get 01:38.960 --> 01:43.420 and then as it went through the marketing process 01:43.420 --> 01:48.009 the marketing people said wait a minute this is please proceed rope first-person 01:48.009 --> 01:53.430 male protagonist written by somebody named Judy 01:53.430 --> 01:56.640 now not gonna work we need two years 01:56.640 --> 02:00.259 your initials well was from Bisbee Arizona I was being published 02:00.259 --> 02:04.460 by new your publisher I didn't care if they wanted to use my initial 02:04.460 --> 02:07.720 and so that's how I became J a chance 02:07.720 --> 02:11.370 all these books later I am so incredibly grateful 02:11.370 --> 02:15.750 because when you signed books are crapping J chances 02:15.750 --> 02:18.859 a lot easier then judith Ann 02:18.859 --> 02:22.140 let's go back to that little girl in bisbee who made the decision then 02:22.140 --> 02:26.319 I wanna be a bookworm how did it all start for you it started 02:26.319 --> 02:29.959 in second grade I had a choice between 02:29.959 --> 02:34.549 going into missus Parker's class are going into missus bankers class 02:34.549 --> 02:37.750 and the got shined it 02:37.750 --> 02:41.319 the gods smiled at me and 02:41.319 --> 02:46.840 off I went to missus Bangerz under the 02:46.840 --> 02:51.370 when does in her classroom or shelves that were loaded with books that you 02:51.370 --> 02:52.010 could 02:52.010 --> 02:56.379 read if you finished your work early and it was 02:56.379 --> 03:00.669 in missus paying less room that I encountered the wizard of oz box not 03:00.669 --> 03:03.040 just the one with Dorothy that we are now 03:03.040 --> 03:07.139 but the other perks as well a lot of kids 03:07.139 --> 03:11.040 in countering what is it about us are fascinated by 03:11.040 --> 03:15.340 the magician behind the green curtain I was fascinated 03:15.340 --> 03:19.239 by praying mom behind the words and and the moment I 03:19.239 --> 03:23.329 realized that there was a person hiding behind the words 03:23.329 --> 03:27.850 I wanted to be the person putting the word on the pages 03:27.850 --> 03:31.110 fast forward you go to college university Arizona and 03:31.110 --> 03:34.450 bear down and you're a woman 03:34.450 --> 03:38.490 in someone says something to the effect that to you well 03:38.490 --> 03:41.940 I worked in the English department open work my way through 03:41.940 --> 03:45.380 ok college working 15 hours a week 03:45.380 --> 03:49.750 and the English department office and when I was a junior 03:49.750 --> 03:53.500 I wanted to enroll in the creative writing 03:53.500 --> 04:00.330 class and I spoke to the professor and he said you're a girl 04:00.330 --> 04:04.430 and I said so he said girls become teachers or nurse's boy 04:04.430 --> 04:07.950 boys become writers and it wouldn't let me and his class 04:07.950 --> 04:11.310 so on the 04:11.310 --> 04:14.690 on the one hand I did become a teacher and then I became a librarian 04:14.690 --> 04:19.200 and and I was really disappointed but on the other hand 04:19.200 --> 04:23.030 years later I realised that if I have been 04:23.030 --> 04:26.220 allowed admission into a class 04:26.220 --> 04:30.320 where the professor fully expected me to fail 04:30.320 --> 04:34.840 I might have lost the whole dream becoming a writer and so 04:34.840 --> 04:38.630 are I'm really grateful to know that they didn't get into that class 04:38.630 --> 04:42.660 and wanna the wonderful things about being 04:42.660 --> 04:45.830 a mystery writer is you have a lot 04:45.830 --> 04:49.190 ammunition and it's now accident 04:49.190 --> 04:52.960 that the crazed killer in my first heard back our the hunter 04:52.960 --> 04:56.270 turned out to be a former professor of creative writing 04:56.270 --> 05:01.570 from the interpreter every Arizona I as an Arizona girl wanna be your series is 05:01.570 --> 05:02.850 based off to share a 05:02.850 --> 05:08.710 Joanna Brady downing coaches County here stop to think this is where I grew up 05:08.710 --> 05:12.320 and these are the people that I'm I'm impacting with the stories 05:12.320 --> 05:17.070 this community southern Arizona when I first started writing 05:17.070 --> 05:20.670 I was living in Seattle I had lived there 05:20.670 --> 05:25.770 less than two years when I started reading about a people much who is 05:25.770 --> 05:29.200 a Seattle native I had to do 05:29.200 --> 05:33.560 a lot of research to make that long-term 05:33.560 --> 05:36.210 Seattle existence 05:36.210 --> 05:41.150 come to life then nine books and when i got really tired 05:41.150 --> 05:44.690 at him my editor suggested that I come out 05:44.690 --> 05:47.979 where another character that 05:47.979 --> 05:51.080 I could alternate bomb on where 05:51.080 --> 05:55.660 and i cud okay I know 05:55.660 --> 06:00.130 southeastern Arizona how bout if I write something there 06:00.130 --> 06:03.340 I'm tired up writing 06:03.340 --> 06:06.570 books in the first person through a male 06:06.570 --> 06:10.530 point of view I'm a woman how about if I use 06:10.530 --> 06:14.840 a female main character I spent 10 years 06:14.840 --> 06:18.060 in the life insurance business so I know no 06:18.060 --> 06:22.760 a lot a being a woman in a non-traditional traditional job 06:22.760 --> 06:26.130 so that's how Joanna Brady 06:26.130 --> 06:32.360 came into existence the people watching on TV don't know this 06:32.360 --> 06:35.810 I because when I'm sitting down they can't tell them I'm 06:35.810 --> 06:39.430 over six feet tall I was six feet tall 06:39.430 --> 06:42.570 in the seventh grade so 06:42.570 --> 06:45.789 always wondered what it would be like to be short 06:45.789 --> 06:49.680 so that's why do any is 5-foot-4 06:49.680 --> 06:52.810 when I ride Joanna Brady pack i'm forced 06:52.810 --> 06:56.380 to look at the world through her point of view and so 06:56.380 --> 06:59.610 I know stuff about trying to Brady's the top of her 06:59.610 --> 07:03.949 refrigerator that Joanna Brady on the border it never 07:03.949 --> 07:05.860 No 07:05.860 --> 07:09.849 well have more from JA Jance later in the program but now for an interview 07:09.849 --> 07:11.229 with Marcy Euler 07:11.229 --> 07:14.389 the executive director the Tucson Festival of Books 07:14.389 --> 07:18.389 every year the festival has grown last year more than one hundred thousand 07:18.389 --> 07:25.389 people attended the two-day festival on the University of Arizona campus 07:26.180 --> 07:27.280 this year we have 07:27.280 --> 07:31.450 a number of authors who are coming in who we've not been here before 07:31.450 --> 07:35.840 match all burn who is actually a journalist a sports journalist with 07:35.840 --> 07:36.370 trait 07:36.370 --> 07:40.640 Free Press and also writer joyce Carol out 07:40.640 --> 07:44.620 at gail sheehy Amy Tan 07:44.620 --> 07:47.920 at those are all folks who've not been here previously 07:47.920 --> 07:51.500 Dave barey a humorous from that Miami Herald 07:51.500 --> 07:55.790 we also have a number of children's authors who are coming who have not been 07:55.790 --> 07:56.770 with us before 07:56.770 --> 08:00.860 Katherine Paterson who wrote Bridge to Terabithia 08:00.860 --> 08:05.290 which is something that a lot of teenagers and young adults have rad and 08:05.290 --> 08:06.630 it was made into a movie 08:06.630 --> 08:10.850 and so she's coming for the first time in are very excited about that 08:10.850 --> 08:15.150 that have a lot of returners like jaja answer one of our local favorite 08:15.150 --> 08:21.660 Louis Syria and Adam racks and Chris call who are both local children's 08:21.660 --> 08:24.910 illustrators so the left half of Thursday's 08:24.910 --> 08:28.310 truly phenomenal at the heart of all this is literacy 08:28.310 --> 08:31.940 and promoting the efforts throughout southern Arizona and beyond 08:31.940 --> 08:35.770 tell me a little bit about how that's really grown part of the mission 08:35.770 --> 08:39.010 is that we maintain the festival at the free event 08:39.010 --> 08:43.280 and bad me take all proceeds after we're done 08:43.280 --> 08:47.960 from our sponsorships and exhibitor fees etcetera and turn them back into the 08:47.960 --> 08:52.860 community and help and literacy organization so since 2009 08:52.860 --> 08:57.880 are for six years we've been able to donate over a million dollars back 08:57.880 --> 09:02.390 to the organizations that we support and so we're hopeful that this year were 09:02.390 --> 09:04.260 able to give a sizable check 09:04.260 --> 09:07.420 to those three partners they are reading speed 09:07.420 --> 09:11.670 later seek an axe and you have a letter C outreach programs and those 09:11.670 --> 09:14.850 programs don't just work with children they work with adults 09:14.850 --> 09:19.470 absolutely so letter C can act as a number of programs for adults who need 09:19.470 --> 09:22.830 support an improving their their reading 09:22.830 --> 09:26.830 or literacy scales so that they can improve their job prospects 09:26.830 --> 09:30.570 or and finish high school finish a GED 09:30.570 --> 09:32.500 you or go to 09:32.500 --> 09:36.600 college all of those things are critically important and we know 09:36.600 --> 09:40.190 I that education and literacy are two 09:40.190 --> 09:43.700 important factors in driving economic engine within a community 09:43.700 --> 09:48.400 the more well-educated students are the more likely they are to go onto 09:48.400 --> 09:53.270 postsecondary education get better jobs have careers they give them a higher 09:53.270 --> 09:56.880 paying jobs and then they're better able to contribute to the tax base 09:56.880 --> 10:02.440 so when we have poor literacy rates are poor educational attainment 10:02.440 --> 10:06.060 it affects the community and a very negative way 10:06.060 --> 10:10.420 not maybe just right at the moment but certainly down the road when we have to 10:10.420 --> 10:12.750 spend more on social services or 10:12.750 --> 10:17.660 either kinda programs that are a drain on the economy instead of a boost to it 10:17.660 --> 10:21.430 this is a huge event how do you see it growing in the years ahead 10:21.430 --> 10:25.500 when it's already accomplish so much growth well I think that 10:25.500 --> 10:29.180 that's one of the things that are bored is challenged where we 10:29.180 --> 10:33.590 need to not be stagnant being stagnant means we're actually 10:33.590 --> 10:36.960 not looking at opportunities and so 10:36.960 --> 10:40.170 they are going to be really looking at how do we 10:40.170 --> 10:44.840 Henry mindfully grow how do we strategically plan 10:44.840 --> 10:48.380 for the next big gain 10:48.380 --> 10:51.440 that is coming up hopefully in 2016 10:51.440 --> 10:55.540 and we might not even know what that is right now at this year we've added a 10:55.540 --> 10:56.710 couple a famous 10:56.710 --> 11:00.420 including having a partnership with the college for social and behavioral 11:00.420 --> 11:02.330 sciences here at the university 11:02.330 --> 11:07.200 and the nation magazine so they are bringing in some authors including Noam 11:07.200 --> 11:08.080 Chomsky 11:08.080 --> 11:12.970 and some other folks who are really national figures and 11:12.970 --> 11:17.530 the conversations around politics and they want to continue to be involved 11:17.530 --> 11:21.970 I and so we need to figure out how to do that in a way 11:21.970 --> 11:25.580 that helps s meet our goals and our vision 11:25.580 --> 11:29.410 and maintain our ability to keep the festival free of charge 11:29.410 --> 11:32.900 and be able to contribute back to you our literacy 11:32.900 --> 11:34.970 group 11:34.970 --> 11:38.970 litter sees it the harder the Festival of Books it's estimated more than 30 11:38.970 --> 11:40.549 million adults in the US 11:40.549 --> 11:45.169 struggle with basic literacy skills many these adults keep that fact that they 11:45.169 --> 11:46.179 can't read or write 11:46.179 --> 11:51.039 a secret from family and friends Arizona public media Sandra westall has the 11:51.039 --> 11:51.669 journey a 11:51.669 --> 11:58.669 week I'll its who spent decades hiding before turning his life around 12:00.599 --> 12:04.999 I started doing working in adult literacy here into song would see twelve 12:04.999 --> 12:05.639 years ago 12:05.639 --> 12:09.359 and there's more awareness now been there was them but 12:09.359 --> 12:14.249 it's still I don't think are real commonly understood issue 12:14.249 --> 12:19.279 thirty star for at literacy connect says that the majority of it all to reach out 12:19.279 --> 12:22.599 to nonprofit struggle with basic reading skills 12:22.599 --> 12:27.189 unfortunately adult literacy is a major problem 12:27.189 --> 12:32.369 here in the United States and particularly here in Arizona and Pima 12:32.369 --> 12:33.059 County 12:33.059 --> 12:36.179 we have a dull to come through our doors all the time who are high school 12:36.179 --> 12:37.009 graduates 12:37.009 --> 12:41.499 but they can barely read so education level doesn't necessarily equate to 12:41.499 --> 12:42.509 literacy level 12:42.509 --> 12:46.719 many obese adults find creative ways to get by without showing 12:46.719 --> 12:51.449 others there inability to read one of our adult learners has said 12:51.449 --> 12:54.749 and he will say this anybody he talks to you know 12:54.749 --> 12:58.559 people who can't read you just don't know they can't read 12:58.559 --> 13:03.049 because they hide it so well of are keeping a secret 13:03.049 --> 13:07.139 will tell you to fill something out and you can't do it I the wait till I got 13:07.139 --> 13:07.709 home 13:07.709 --> 13:12.279 my parents can help me with it movie thailand's graduated from high school 13:12.279 --> 13:16.599 but he didn't know how to read or right afternoon with my parents back in New 13:16.599 --> 13:17.129 Jersey 13:17.129 --> 13:20.979 they were reading list but not that good was mostly just German 13:20.979 --> 13:25.639 be kept his lack %uh literacy a secret from coworkers 13:25.639 --> 13:29.709 added to some machine shop where he did finishing work for many years 13:29.709 --> 13:35.980 he even managed to keep it a secret from friends for more than three decades 13:35.980 --> 13:38.519 the most part about four years ago 13:38.519 --> 13:41.790 I got laid off for my company I said okay 13:41.790 --> 13:46.889 armored gonna be in trouble for job applications 13:46.889 --> 13:51.019 you fill out your name your dressing had put down how many people you know and 13:51.019 --> 13:54.230 you know and i couldnt rehab for the stuff that was on there 13:54.230 --> 13:57.569 I know the name the addresses I think copies of 13:57.569 --> 14:00.699 applications that take with me and I would kind of 14:00.699 --> 14:04.379 out that's the same as is the case I can write this in your knife 14:04.379 --> 14:08.180 now nor couldn't doing plus my parents pass away had 14:08.180 --> 14:12.000 I don't I need a clear how to read I was really nervous when I walk to their 14:12.000 --> 14:12.610 first time 14:12.610 --> 14:18.550 you know what people's doors for okay we'll see what happens I'm always in awe 14:18.550 --> 14:22.850 have the people who come to us and what they've done in their lives 14:22.850 --> 14:25.970 and what they've had to do in their lives it in our society there's 14:25.970 --> 14:30.430 there's not a stigma to oh I can't draw our 14:30.430 --> 14:33.899 are oh i cant I'm not a math person 14:33.899 --> 14:38.279 there's not a stigma to that there is a stigma to but he mean you can't read 14:38.279 --> 14:41.860 and so while you're talking you're saying all that I'm thinking ED lens 14:41.860 --> 14:45.800 leopard meets many adult students her native English speakers 14:45.800 --> 14:49.199 she remembers movie when he started a program 14:49.199 --> 14:53.089 five years ago it was a really small group I think we started with 14:53.089 --> 14:56.759 five or seven students and I'll 14:56.759 --> 15:00.319 he was very very quiet and then 15:00.319 --> 15:04.430 the further the class went the more he participated 15:04.430 --> 15:08.509 got really engaged in the book and I could definitely see that he was 15:08.509 --> 15:11.769 on his way to becoming a reader and book 15:11.769 --> 15:15.870 changed everything for him weeks the classmates on Tuesday 15:15.870 --> 15:19.959 began after breakfast such a cause the meaning of life 15:19.959 --> 15:24.630 it was tiring for me to explain this book 15:24.630 --> 15:28.340 represents that if I started this is my first book but I 15:28.340 --> 15:32.110 ever read synth you know writer 53 15:32.110 --> 15:35.400 I never read a book it just change my world 15:35.400 --> 15:38.780 completely completely changing it your 15:38.780 --> 15:43.270 I know you good you guys with yeah I've been doing different things to different 15:43.270 --> 15:43.890 people 15:43.890 --> 15:47.930 really I really that part of its own housewife on you did pre-reading 15:47.930 --> 15:51.480 jittery a little bit a little bit at as he was reading a smaller long 15:51.480 --> 15:55.350 I wish there was another student here that who was concern wasn't reading 15:55.350 --> 15:55.840 enough 15:55.840 --> 15:59.810 and he's I'm gonna make you read more I missed our book club in your gonna be in 15:59.810 --> 16:00.060 it 16:00.020 --> 16:04.000 it varies it very some people come in and stay for a little bit then they 16:04.000 --> 16:04.660 leave again 16:04.660 --> 16:08.150 so people come back but this missile group of ours is being 16:08.150 --> 16:11.170 we hear we're here where her every month that 16:11.170 --> 16:15.930 its it's not a fast process adult education especially adult literacy 16:15.930 --> 16:19.660 this is not something that you're gonna see substantial 16:19.660 --> 16:22.860 harder change in literacy levels 16:22.860 --> 16:25.760 in the year ahead depending on their background and what they've been through 16:25.760 --> 16:26.880 and 16:26.880 --> 16:30.260 it's gonna be two years is four years five years 16:30.260 --> 16:34.020 I think we have a lot of adults who have been hiding 16:34.020 --> 16:38.500 happen living invisible lives and voiceless lives and 16:38.500 --> 16:43.610 have so much that they can offer us and so much they can do for our community 16:43.610 --> 16:46.860 in our society but they need that chance 16:46.860 --> 16:51.870 and they need a safe place and people that understand them 16:51.870 --> 16:54.880 for 58-year-old movie 16:54.880 --> 16:58.730 knowing how to read has become such an important part of life 16:58.730 --> 17:03.720 that he recently started volunteering as a tutor for group but ESL students just 17:03.720 --> 17:05.180 like if you want to wait about that 17:05.180 --> 17:08.410 say has sunk in yet that I'm actually doing 17:08.410 --> 17:12.920 I've actually been a tutor full and it's just been so great just to watch them 17:12.920 --> 17:16.470 learning and watching get near their confidence up but I have a connection 17:16.470 --> 17:17.150 with them 17:17.150 --> 17:22.110 so I know what they don't have to sit near like this RK he's nervous Kaman 17:22.110 --> 17:25.350 you can get over this you have to be nervous that's good 17:25.350 --> 17:29.250 I've been there that's what I can 17:29.250 --> 17:33.010 I'm a catcher things that I always wanted to do but I couldn't doing 17:33.010 --> 17:36.740 you know by try to learn to play my guitar 17:36.740 --> 17:40.240 are real OtterBox like opening doors well 17:40.240 --> 17:47.060 you know I guess for more this 17:47.060 --> 17:51.020 and now for more from author Jay chance just this week she published another 17:51.020 --> 17:51.500 book 17:51.500 --> 17:54.770 in Figure she's type somewhere around six million words 17:54.770 --> 17:57.979 in the last thirty years 17:57.979 --> 18:00.999 there are Jess junkies all around the country 18:00.999 --> 18:04.609 he waiting for the next brady novel Walker 18:04.609 --> 18:08.109 Allie Reynolds and then of course I'm 18:08.109 --> 18:12.320 the bomb on series they may be wondering what's next for you 18:12.320 --> 18:16.970 I mean are you going to continue into the fuel our interest in your writing 18:16.970 --> 18:20.739 in our household 18:20.739 --> 18:23.759 irate 18:23.759 --> 18:28.979 the books bill right the checks and because he can write checks 18:28.979 --> 18:32.559 very fast but I will continue providing 18:32.559 --> 18:36.749 into foreseeable Peter I expect that some day they were 18:36.749 --> 18:40.749 drag my gnarled hands of my keyboard 18:40.749 --> 18:44.609 and when they do that that will be the and I do not have 18:44.609 --> 18:48.690 bookstore up to be a published posthumously 18:48.690 --> 18:52.200 and I do not have a cadre 18:52.200 --> 18:55.379 up up Cole writers to help me 18:55.379 --> 18:58.389 over-the-top spots and plotting 18:58.389 --> 19:05.389 or reading but it still the job 19:06.859 --> 19:10.330 I always wanted to do and its 19:10.330 --> 19:14.009 better them I could possibly had dream because 19:14.009 --> 19:17.229 is beers on it didn't allow for 19:17.229 --> 19:20.529 and understanding up what 19:20.529 --> 19:24.710 my life would be like now what do you say to those women out there who just 19:24.710 --> 19:28.450 idolize you and see you as their inspiration the women who are like 19:28.450 --> 19:29.159 yourself 19:29.159 --> 19:35.509 a wife a mom in wondering can I do this I want to do it but can I is there time 19:35.509 --> 19:39.749 when I bought my first computer in 1983 19:39.749 --> 19:43.369 it was a dual 19:43.369 --> 19:46.720 floppy Eagle with 128 K 19:46.720 --> 19:49.869 memory I also but 19:49.869 --> 19:55.220 days if we'll plant printer 19:55.220 --> 19:58.489 at the same time my first husband I 19:58.489 --> 20:03.019 I was left with a fifty thousand dollar 20:03.019 --> 20:06.029 death benefit from life insurance 20:06.029 --> 20:07.760 after he died 20:07.760 --> 20:10.590 and I invested five thousand dollars at that 20:10.590 --> 20:14.900 50 10 percent 20:14.900 --> 20:18.910 in my future as 20:18.910 --> 20:25.100 a writer and when the guy came to the house to install the computer he fixed 20:25.100 --> 20:25.500 it 20:25.500 --> 20:29.190 so that when I put it up every morning 20:29.190 --> 20:33.620 the words flashed across the screen where these a writer 20:33.620 --> 20:36.890 is someone who has written today 20:36.890 --> 20:40.110 and today I'm not a writer 20:40.110 --> 20:43.410 because I finished reading that book yesterday 20:43.410 --> 20:47.130 up and today i'm reading somebody else's but 20:47.130 --> 20:50.260 today I am answering emails 20:50.260 --> 20:53.680 but writers right and 20:53.680 --> 20:58.060 the poetry that I wrote when I was living on the reservation 20:58.060 --> 21:01.730 when I was married to my first has been who said 21:01.730 --> 21:05.870 there was only going to be one brighter in our family and he wasn't 21:05.870 --> 21:10.900 ha telling me I couldn't write 21:10.900 --> 21:14.830 West taking away the air right breed and so 21:14.830 --> 21:17.970 I Realtors poems in the dark knight. 21:17.970 --> 21:21.100 when he was passed out cold in his 21:21.100 --> 21:25.670 recliner and the amazing thing 21:25.670 --> 21:29.870 is those pawns are still 21:29.870 --> 21:33.650 available in my book a poetry after the fire 21:33.650 --> 21:38.300 and the title pawn 21:38.300 --> 21:41.700 I wrote this poem thinking that I was being true to my 21:41.700 --> 21:45.480 art I didn't realize that I was actually grappling 21:45.480 --> 21:48.900 using words to grapple where the essential 21:48.900 --> 21:52.700 complex my life but the title pawn 21:52.700 --> 21:57.010 after the fire cuz like this I have touched the fire 21:57.010 --> 22:00.230 it burned me but I knew 22:00.230 --> 22:03.900 I live its ear me but it made me whole 22:03.900 --> 22:07.000 he called me I want gladly 22:07.000 --> 22:11.570 time I saw the rocks the whole laughing through this injuring 22:11.570 --> 22:15.270 I have known the fire all up with nothing 22:15.270 --> 22:19.630 whether time with less the play miss out there's nothing 22:19.630 --> 22:20.380 left 22:20.380 --> 22:24.200 ash here approaching maybe 22:24.200 --> 22:27.590 nearly sixty books I am 22:27.590 --> 22:31.200 who's counting but yes I am in 22:31.200 --> 22:34.640 I started reading in the middle March 22:34.640 --> 22:38.080 1982 so it's 22:38.080 --> 22:42.470 over thirty years later some I was being interviewed by someone 22:42.470 --> 22:45.950 a number of years ago and she said well how old were you know 22:45.950 --> 22:49.400 plan you publisher first book and I said well 22:49.400 --> 22:54.570 I was forty-one for my first book was published in 1985 22:54.570 --> 22:58.890 are your cell old I'm going to travel to take I am 22:58.890 --> 23:05.890 up I political news now in the buzz my colleague Christopher conover Chris for 23:08.850 --> 23:10.710 a couple big interviews for you this week 23:10.710 --> 23:14.270 will start first though with republican representative martin excelling in 23:14.270 --> 23:14.970 Tucson 23:14.970 --> 23:18.230 she was down here taurine Raytheon 23:18.230 --> 23:21.840 missiles where they make the maverick missile which she said she's probably 23:21.840 --> 23:23.500 the only member of congress to 23:23.500 --> 23:28.070 ever go there and say I fire that weapon as well as the tomahawks is holding a 23:28.070 --> 23:30.030 town hall talking a lot of Defense 23:30.030 --> 23:33.080 and national foreign policy with them 23:33.080 --> 23:37.480 of course the letter from the forty six senators including senator mccain 23:37.480 --> 23:40.540 to the open letter to the Iranian government came up 23:40.540 --> 23:43.580 I asked her if that letter in anyway 23:43.580 --> 23:47.350 undermines negotiators let's take a look at our answer 23:47.350 --> 23:51.210 I think it is important that you know congress has a role in oversight 23:51.210 --> 23:54.690 a and if it were actually to be something that 23:54.690 --> 23:59.280 it was treaty like you know the Senate is supposed to be ratifying that and to 23:59.280 --> 24:00.080 be clear 24:00.080 --> 24:04.470 mix alley does not like like most republicans where those negotiations are 24:04.470 --> 24:05.050 going 24:05.050 --> 24:09.850 right now okay other big news is we governor do see also in Tucson 24:09.850 --> 24:13.800 trying a couple different places and you manage to catch him on the UA campus 24:13.800 --> 24:18.410 he did he came down to Tucson a met with some business leaders and some local 24:18.410 --> 24:19.280 businesses 24:19.280 --> 24:23.280 then came on to the University of Arizona campus to tour the mirror lab 24:23.280 --> 24:24.670 where they make mirrors for 24:24.670 --> 24:28.200 big telescopes a course budget 24:28.200 --> 24:32.110 was the big discussion when he met with members of the media here on 24:32.110 --> 24:36.870 campus the University of Arizona losing thirty million up the $99 million going 24:36.870 --> 24:39.620 to all the state universities in the cuts 24:39.620 --> 24:42.770 and there's been criticism over the governor that 24:42.770 --> 24:46.660 this budget was almost snuck through 24:46.660 --> 24:50.620 are and went through a very very quickly this version was unveiled on Wednesday 24:50.620 --> 24:52.350 the legislative version 24:52.350 --> 24:56.400 voted on Saturday morning he's not buying the criticism 24:56.400 --> 25:00.440 now they the actually deliberated throughout the night though isn't that 25:00.440 --> 25:02.040 correct that they made the decision 25:02.040 --> 25:06.070 at six o'clock Saturday morning they did they started late Friday 25:06.070 --> 25:09.770 night on a the floor session and when all night long 25:09.770 --> 25:13.190 democrats trying to get amendments put in republicans trying to get amendments 25:13.190 --> 25:13.679 put in 25:13.679 --> 25:17.380 republican leadership doing the proverbial arm-twisting 25:17.380 --> 25:20.410 to get the votes they needed and they got 25:20.410 --> 25:24.020 just barely the votes they needed and he's proud to say there was a bipartisan 25:24.020 --> 25:25.840 effort if you would explain that 25:25.840 --> 25:29.250 the governor says it's a bipartisan effort one 25:29.250 --> 25:32.370 democrat voted for the 25:32.370 --> 25:36.440 the budget arm band got a lot for 25:36.440 --> 25:40.670 represents the Navajo Nation and got a lot of money for the Navajo Nation 25:40.670 --> 25:44.990 he's now in big trouble with a lot of the rank-and-file democrats they feel 25:44.990 --> 25:46.250 like they've been sold out 25:46.250 --> 25:50.580 however if you want to call that bipartisan you need to look at the vote 25:50.580 --> 25:51.900 against the budget 25:51.900 --> 25:55.720 four republicans voted against the budget 25:55.720 --> 25:59.370 and two others walked off the floor and refused to vote 25:59.370 --> 26:02.960 so it it's bipartisan officially 26:02.960 --> 26:07.670 more than one party voted for it but it's it's been seen as some a spin their 26:07.670 --> 26:11.360 republic wrote an editorial about that said to the governor basically 26:11.360 --> 26:14.880 stop spending and just be straight up okay and you ask the governor 26:14.880 --> 26:18.840 specifically about that time table and let's listen in now 26:18.840 --> 26:23.320 we release that budget on January 16 should really have been out in the light 26:23.320 --> 26:24.080 of day for 26:24.080 --> 26:28.200 over seven weeks there was no one that provided no alternative plan 26:28.200 --> 26:31.590 although we did get a lot of criticism well once we had the votes 26:31.590 --> 26:34.950 and we've done the discussions we've made certain that we had protected 26:34.950 --> 26:38.600 public safety in child safety in K 12 education 26:38.600 --> 26:41.690 we made final decisions and we voted 26:41.690 --> 26:44.880 again the budget the governor's talking about that's been out for a while was 26:44.880 --> 26:46.110 his budget 26:46.110 --> 26:49.850 the Legislative Budget the one that got voted on was released 26:49.850 --> 26:53.710 just two or three days before the vote now it should be pointed out 26:53.710 --> 26:57.560 that was part of the governor's budget he and leaders 26:57.560 --> 27:00.940 republican leaders negotiated that budget a 27:00.940 --> 27:05.210 package going forward pretty controversial given the the devil in the 27:05.210 --> 27:06.180 details there 27:06.180 --> 27:10.230 so did everybody really get what they wanted her did most people end up saying 27:10.230 --> 27:12.560 well we just gotta prove something in time 27:12.560 --> 27:16.420 what we're hearing is especially from republicans 27:16.420 --> 27:19.750 there are a lot of republicans voted for said this is the best we could do this 27:19.750 --> 27:22.020 is a short term fix longer-term 27:22.020 --> 27:25.790 will get money back to higher education up 27:25.790 --> 27:29.750 democrats say now you could have done better 27:29.750 --> 27:33.610 the typical what you would expect to hear all right christopher conover with 27:33.610 --> 27:36.250 the buzz the political news of the week thank you so much 27:36.250 --> 27:43.129 and thank you for joining us for all visitors on public media 27:43.129 --> 27:43.379 him