1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,168 >>> THE NEED TO CONSERVE WATER IN ARIZONA IS A GIVEN. 2 00:00:03,170 --> 00:00:04,670 IN ARIZONA IS A GIVEN. YET THERE'S A LONG WAY TO GO AND 3 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:08,007 YET THERE'S A LONG WAY TO GO AND LACK OF CONSENSUS ON DIRECTION. 4 00:00:08,009 --> 00:00:10,376 LACK OF CONSENSUS ON DIRECTION. >> EVENTUALLY, ARIZONA WILL HAVE 5 00:00:10,378 --> 00:00:12,911 >> EVENTUALLY, ARIZONA WILL HAVE MORE WATER DEMANDS BECAUSE IT 6 00:00:12,913 --> 00:00:14,580 MORE WATER DEMANDS BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN THE 7 00:00:14,582 --> 00:00:15,614 WILL HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN THE EXISTING WATER SUPPLY. 8 00:00:15,616 --> 00:00:16,949 EXISTING WATER SUPPLY. WHICH MEANS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO 9 00:00:16,951 --> 00:00:18,317 WHICH MEANS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO FIND MORE WATER SOMEWHERE. 10 00:00:18,319 --> 00:00:20,419 FIND MORE WATER SOMEWHERE. WE CAN'T CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT OF 11 00:00:20,421 --> 00:00:20,686 WE CAN'T CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT OF IT. 12 00:00:20,688 --> 00:00:23,155 IT. >> THAT AND ANOTHER VIEW ON 13 00:00:23,157 --> 00:00:24,490 >> THAT AND ANOTHER VIEW ON WATER, PLUS 50 YEARS AFTER JOHN 14 00:00:24,492 --> 00:00:26,291 WATER, PLUS 50 YEARS AFTER JOHN F. KENNEDY'S DEATH, WE LOOK AT 15 00:00:26,293 --> 00:00:29,194 F. KENNEDY'S DEATH, WE LOOK AT HIS CONNECTIONS TO OUR STATE. 16 00:00:29,196 --> 00:00:31,730 HIS CONNECTIONS TO OUR STATE. IT'S "ARIZONA WEEK." 17 00:00:31,732 --> 00:00:33,032 IT'S "ARIZONA WEEK." >> PRODUCTION OF ARIZONA WEEK IS 18 00:00:33,034 --> 00:00:35,868 >> PRODUCTION OF ARIZONA WEEK IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A GRANT 19 00:00:35,870 --> 00:00:37,269 MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY A GRANT FROM THE STONEWALL FOUNDATION 20 00:00:37,271 --> 00:00:38,303 FROM THE STONEWALL FOUNDATION AND FROM THE MEMBERS OF ARIZONA 21 00:00:38,305 --> 00:00:38,737 AND FROM THE MEMBERS OF ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. 22 00:00:38,739 --> 00:00:39,438 PUBLIC MEDIA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED 23 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,342 THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. 24 00:00:43,344 --> 00:00:57,456 ONCE AGAIN, YOUR MODERATOR, MICHAEL CHIHAK. 25 00:00:57,458 --> 00:00:59,491 MICHAEL CHIHAK. >> BEHIND MANY ECONOMIC AND 26 00:00:59,493 --> 00:01:00,492 >> BEHIND MANY ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL SOCIAL DECISIONS IN 27 00:01:00,494 --> 00:01:01,527 POLITICAL SOCIAL DECISIONS IN ARIZONA IS THE QUESTION OF WHERE 28 00:01:01,529 --> 00:01:03,228 ARIZONA IS THE QUESTION OF WHERE WE WILL GET WATER OR IF IT ISN'T 29 00:01:03,230 --> 00:01:04,563 WE WILL GET WATER OR IF IT ISN'T PART OF SUCH DISCUSSIONS, IT 30 00:01:04,565 --> 00:01:04,930 PART OF SUCH DISCUSSIONS, IT SHOULD BE. 31 00:01:04,932 --> 00:01:06,265 SHOULD BE. TALK OF THE STATE'S SHORT TERM 32 00:01:06,267 --> 00:01:08,700 TALK OF THE STATE'S SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM WATER ISSUES 33 00:01:08,702 --> 00:01:10,869 AND LONG TERM WATER ISSUES ABOUND AND MUCH IS IN THE WORKS. 34 00:01:10,871 --> 00:01:12,938 ABOUND AND MUCH IS IN THE WORKS. THIS WEEK, THE MORRISON 35 00:01:12,940 --> 00:01:14,606 THIS WEEK, THE MORRISON INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC POLICY AT 36 00:01:14,608 --> 00:01:16,942 INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC POLICY AT ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY HELD A 37 00:01:16,944 --> 00:01:19,344 ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY HELD A FORUM ON WATER AND AZPM'S 38 00:01:19,346 --> 00:01:20,546 FORUM ON WATER AND AZPM'S CHRISTOPHER CONOVER CAUGHT UP 39 00:01:20,548 --> 00:01:22,714 CHRISTOPHER CONOVER CAUGHT UP WITH ONE OF ITS PARTICIPANTS, 40 00:01:22,716 --> 00:01:24,616 WITH ONE OF ITS PARTICIPANTS, FORMER U.S. SENATOR JON KYL, WHO 41 00:01:24,618 --> 00:01:25,284 FORMER U.S. SENATOR JON KYL, WHO REMAINS ACTIVE IN ARIZONA'S 42 00:01:25,286 --> 00:01:29,688 REMAINS ACTIVE IN ARIZONA'S WATER FUTURE. 43 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:30,923 WATER FUTURE. >> SENATOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH 44 00:01:30,925 --> 00:01:32,257 >> SENATOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SITTING DOWN WITH US. 45 00:01:32,259 --> 00:01:33,158 FOR SITTING DOWN WITH US. >> GLAD TO BE HERE. 46 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,593 >> GLAD TO BE HERE. >> YOU JUST SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR 47 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:36,295 >> YOU JUST SPENT ABOUT AN HOUR DOING A PANEL DISCUSSION TALKING 48 00:01:36,297 --> 00:01:38,097 DOING A PANEL DISCUSSION TALKING ABOUT WATER AND ONE OF THE BIG 49 00:01:38,099 --> 00:01:39,932 ABOUT WATER AND ONE OF THE BIG TAKE-AWAYS I HEARD FROM YOU WAS 50 00:01:39,934 --> 00:01:41,567 TAKE-AWAYS I HEARD FROM YOU WAS IT'S A TWOFOLD PROBLEM. 51 00:01:41,569 --> 00:01:43,168 IT'S A TWOFOLD PROBLEM. SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM. 52 00:01:43,170 --> 00:01:44,603 SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM. FOR ARIZONA AND REALLY, THE 53 00:01:44,605 --> 00:01:47,306 FOR ARIZONA AND REALLY, THE NATION AS A WHOLE, BUT REALLY, 54 00:01:47,308 --> 00:01:47,639 NATION AS A WHOLE, BUT REALLY, ARIZONA. 55 00:01:47,641 --> 00:01:48,674 ARIZONA. IF YOU CAN FOR OUR VIEWERS, TALK 56 00:01:48,676 --> 00:01:50,375 IF YOU CAN FOR OUR VIEWERS, TALK A LITTLE ABOUT SOME OF THE SHORT 57 00:01:50,377 --> 00:01:51,376 A LITTLE ABOUT SOME OF THE SHORT TERM VERSUS LONG TERM PROBLEMS. 58 00:01:51,378 --> 00:01:51,944 TERM VERSUS LONG TERM PROBLEMS. >> SURE. 59 00:01:51,946 --> 00:01:53,378 >> SURE. FIRST LET'S TALK ABOUT LONG 60 00:01:53,380 --> 00:01:54,113 FIRST LET'S TALK ABOUT LONG TERM, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE EASILY 61 00:01:54,115 --> 00:01:57,716 TERM, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE EASILY UNDERSTOOD. 62 00:01:57,718 --> 00:01:59,351 UNDERSTOOD. EVENTUALLY, ARIZONA WILL HAVE 63 00:01:59,353 --> 00:02:01,253 EVENTUALLY, ARIZONA WILL HAVE MORE WATER DEMANDS BECAUSE IT 64 00:02:01,255 --> 00:02:03,522 MORE WATER DEMANDS BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN THE 65 00:02:03,524 --> 00:02:04,490 WILL HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN THE EXISTING WATER SUPPLY, WHICH 66 00:02:04,492 --> 00:02:06,058 EXISTING WATER SUPPLY, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO FIND 67 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:07,292 MEANS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO FIND MORE WATER SOMEWHERE. 68 00:02:07,294 --> 00:02:09,995 MORE WATER SOMEWHERE. WE CAN'T CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT OF 69 00:02:09,997 --> 00:02:10,262 WE CAN'T CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT OF IT. 70 00:02:10,264 --> 00:02:10,929 IT. THAT HELPS BUT IT'S NOT THE 71 00:02:10,931 --> 00:02:14,233 THAT HELPS BUT IT'S NOT THE SILVER BULLET. 72 00:02:14,235 --> 00:02:15,734 SILVER BULLET. SO AUGMENTATION OF OUR WATER 73 00:02:15,736 --> 00:02:16,935 SO AUGMENTATION OF OUR WATER SUPPLY EVENTUALLY WILL BE PART 74 00:02:16,937 --> 00:02:17,836 SUPPLY EVENTUALLY WILL BE PART OF THE SOLUTION, AND THAT WILL 75 00:02:17,838 --> 00:02:19,471 OF THE SOLUTION, AND THAT WILL BE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE, 76 00:02:19,473 --> 00:02:26,578 BE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE, SOMETHING LIKE DESALINIZATION. 77 00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:27,346 SOMETHING LIKE DESALINIZATION. THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. 78 00:02:27,348 --> 00:02:29,114 THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TODAY 79 00:02:29,116 --> 00:02:32,751 WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TODAY TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD AND DEVELOP 80 00:02:32,753 --> 00:02:33,986 TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD AND DEVELOP POLITICAL SUPPORT FOR THOSE 81 00:02:33,988 --> 00:02:34,987 POLITICAL SUPPORT FOR THOSE SOLUTIONS SO THEY ARE IN PLACE 82 00:02:34,989 --> 00:02:36,054 SOLUTIONS SO THEY ARE IN PLACE AND READY WHEN THE TIME COMES. 83 00:02:36,056 --> 00:02:37,723 AND READY WHEN THE TIME COMES. IN THE SHORT TERM, WE HAVE A 84 00:02:37,725 --> 00:02:38,590 IN THE SHORT TERM, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF ISSUES THAT HAVE TO 85 00:02:38,592 --> 00:02:40,659 VARIETY OF ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH. 86 00:02:40,661 --> 00:02:42,394 BE DEALT WITH. FIRST, WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED NOW 87 00:02:42,396 --> 00:02:48,634 FIRST, WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED NOW FOR SEVERAL DECADES IN THE WATER 88 00:02:48,636 --> 00:02:50,068 FOR SEVERAL DECADES IN THE WATER ADJUDICATION, FIGURING OUT WHO 89 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:51,303 ADJUDICATION, FIGURING OUT WHO HAS THE RIGHTS TO THE SURFACE 90 00:02:51,305 --> 00:02:52,371 HAS THE RIGHTS TO THE SURFACE WATER IN THE STATE. 91 00:02:52,373 --> 00:02:54,106 WATER IN THE STATE. WE'VE MADE A LOT OF HEADWAY IN 92 00:02:54,108 --> 00:02:54,406 WE'VE MADE A LOT OF HEADWAY IN COURT. 93 00:02:54,408 --> 00:02:55,874 COURT. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL INDIAN 94 00:02:55,876 --> 00:02:57,376 THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL INDIAN WATER SETTLEMENTS BECAUSE INDIAN 95 00:02:57,378 --> 00:02:59,344 WATER SETTLEMENTS BECAUSE INDIAN TRIBES ARE CLAIMANTS AND WHEN 96 00:02:59,346 --> 00:03:00,879 TRIBES ARE CLAIMANTS AND WHEN THE PARTIES CAN GET TOGETHER AND 97 00:03:00,881 --> 00:03:01,613 THE PARTIES CAN GET TOGETHER AND SETTLE THOSE DIFFERENCES RATHER 98 00:03:01,615 --> 00:03:02,915 SETTLE THOSE DIFFERENCES RATHER THAN FIGHTING ABOUT THEM IN 99 00:03:02,917 --> 00:03:04,850 THAN FIGHTING ABOUT THEM IN COURT, THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF THE 100 00:03:04,852 --> 00:03:05,484 COURT, THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF THE PUZZLE SOLVED. 101 00:03:05,486 --> 00:03:07,419 PUZZLE SOLVED. BUT THE CONGRESS ISN'T GOING TO 102 00:03:07,421 --> 00:03:09,288 BUT THE CONGRESS ISN'T GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE MONEY TO SUPPORT 103 00:03:09,290 --> 00:03:10,789 HAVE ANY MORE MONEY TO SUPPORT THESE INDIAN WATER SETTLEMENTS 104 00:03:10,791 --> 00:03:11,490 THESE INDIAN WATER SETTLEMENTS IN THE NEAR TERM, SO THAT'S A 105 00:03:11,492 --> 00:03:13,892 IN THE NEAR TERM, SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. 106 00:03:13,894 --> 00:03:15,194 PROBLEM. SECONDLY, THERE ARE SOME LEGAL 107 00:03:15,196 --> 00:03:16,261 SECONDLY, THERE ARE SOME LEGAL ISSUES THAT HAVE BECOME VERY, 108 00:03:16,263 --> 00:03:17,529 ISSUES THAT HAVE BECOME VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. 109 00:03:17,531 --> 00:03:21,300 VERY DIFFICULT. AND THIRD, THE STATE COURT THAT 110 00:03:21,302 --> 00:03:22,067 AND THIRD, THE STATE COURT THAT ADJUDICATES THESE WATER CLAIMS 111 00:03:22,069 --> 00:03:23,101 ADJUDICATES THESE WATER CLAIMS HAS THE ASSISTANCE OF THE 112 00:03:23,103 --> 00:03:25,170 HAS THE ASSISTANCE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES AS 113 00:03:25,172 --> 00:03:26,638 DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES AS ITS TECHNICAL SUPPORT ENTITY. 114 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,273 ITS TECHNICAL SUPPORT ENTITY. THEY BRING ALL THE DATA TO THE 115 00:03:28,275 --> 00:03:29,841 THEY BRING ALL THE DATA TO THE TABLE AND INTERPRET IT FOR THE 116 00:03:29,843 --> 00:03:30,142 TABLE AND INTERPRET IT FOR THE COURT. 117 00:03:30,144 --> 00:03:31,777 COURT. IF THEY'RE NOT ADEQUATELY FUNDED 118 00:03:31,779 --> 00:03:33,979 IF THEY'RE NOT ADEQUATELY FUNDED SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE THE 119 00:03:33,981 --> 00:03:36,415 SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE THE ANALYSIS THE COURT NEEDS, THEN 120 00:03:36,417 --> 00:03:38,083 ANALYSIS THE COURT NEEDS, THEN THE COURT COULD DECIDE THAT IT 121 00:03:38,085 --> 00:03:39,151 THE COURT COULD DECIDE THAT IT CANNOT USE THE ARIZONA COURT 122 00:03:39,153 --> 00:03:40,619 CANNOT USE THE ARIZONA COURT SYSTEM TO RESOLVE THESE THINGS 123 00:03:40,621 --> 00:03:41,920 SYSTEM TO RESOLVE THESE THINGS AND IT MAY TRY TO GO TO THE 124 00:03:41,922 --> 00:03:42,654 AND IT MAY TRY TO GO TO THE FEDERAL COURT, WHERE SOME OF THE 125 00:03:42,656 --> 00:03:44,623 FEDERAL COURT, WHERE SOME OF THE PARTIES WOULD RATHER BE. 126 00:03:44,625 --> 00:03:46,959 PARTIES WOULD RATHER BE. WELL, THAT WOULD UPSET AN ENTIRE 127 00:03:46,961 --> 00:03:48,894 WELL, THAT WOULD UPSET AN ENTIRE APPLE CART OF LAW THAT WE HAVE 128 00:03:48,896 --> 00:03:51,029 APPLE CART OF LAW THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL 129 00:03:51,031 --> 00:03:52,998 DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES HERE, SO AMONG THE SHORT 130 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:53,966 DECADES HERE, SO AMONG THE SHORT TERM PROBLEMS ARE JUST FUNDING 131 00:03:53,968 --> 00:03:55,267 TERM PROBLEMS ARE JUST FUNDING THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER 132 00:03:55,269 --> 00:03:56,868 THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES SO IT CAN PROVIDE THE 133 00:03:56,870 --> 00:03:59,238 RESOURCES SO IT CAN PROVIDE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO THE 134 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,207 TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO THE COURT, FIND A WAY TO CONTINUE TO 135 00:04:02,209 --> 00:04:04,710 COURT, FIND A WAY TO CONTINUE TO GET INDIAN WATER SETTLEMENTS 136 00:04:04,712 --> 00:04:06,578 GET INDIAN WATER SETTLEMENTS ACCOMPLISHED, FIND A WAY TO DEAL 137 00:04:06,580 --> 00:04:09,281 ACCOMPLISHED, FIND A WAY TO DEAL WITH PROBLEMS LIKE THE NAVAJO 138 00:04:09,283 --> 00:04:09,982 WITH PROBLEMS LIKE THE NAVAJO GENERATING STATION WHICH 139 00:04:09,984 --> 00:04:11,850 GENERATING STATION WHICH PROVIDES THE POWER BY WHICH 140 00:04:11,852 --> 00:04:14,253 PROVIDES THE POWER BY WHICH CENTRAL ARIZONA PROJECT WATER IS 141 00:04:14,255 --> 00:04:15,587 CENTRAL ARIZONA PROJECT WATER IS PUMPED AND DELIVERED AT A MUCH 142 00:04:15,589 --> 00:04:16,655 PUMPED AND DELIVERED AT A MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE RATE THAN WOULD 143 00:04:16,657 --> 00:04:20,525 LESS EXPENSIVE RATE THAN WOULD BE THE CASE OTHERWISE, A VARIETY 144 00:04:20,527 --> 00:04:22,294 BE THE CASE OTHERWISE, A VARIETY OF SHORT AND INTERMEDIATE RANGE 145 00:04:22,296 --> 00:04:23,295 OF SHORT AND INTERMEDIATE RANGE PROBLEMS LIKE THAT THAT REQUIRE 146 00:04:23,297 --> 00:04:23,862 PROBLEMS LIKE THAT THAT REQUIRE OUR ATTENTION. 147 00:04:23,864 --> 00:04:25,797 OUR ATTENTION. >> YOU TOUCHED ON A NUMBER OF 148 00:04:25,799 --> 00:04:27,299 >> YOU TOUCHED ON A NUMBER OF THINGS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU 149 00:04:27,301 --> 00:04:29,735 THINGS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED WAS ARIZONA'S 150 00:04:29,737 --> 00:04:31,770 JUST MENTIONED WAS ARIZONA'S COURTS RESOLVING SOME OF THIS 151 00:04:31,772 --> 00:04:32,204 COURTS RESOLVING SOME OF THIS ADJUDICATION. 152 00:04:32,206 --> 00:04:33,405 ADJUDICATION. ARIZONA IS IN A UNIQUE POSITION 153 00:04:33,407 --> 00:04:34,673 ARIZONA IS IN A UNIQUE POSITION THAT OUR STATE COURTS CAN DO 154 00:04:34,675 --> 00:04:34,973 THAT OUR STATE COURTS CAN DO THAT. 155 00:04:34,975 --> 00:04:35,874 THAT. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO CONGRESS 156 00:04:35,876 --> 00:04:36,608 WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO CONGRESS OR THE FEDERAL COURTS FOR THIS. 157 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:38,243 OR THE FEDERAL COURTS FOR THIS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 158 00:04:38,245 --> 00:04:41,013 >> THAT'S RIGHT. AND WHEN THE SUPREME COURT MADE 159 00:04:41,015 --> 00:04:42,381 AND WHEN THE SUPREME COURT MADE ITS HISTORIC DECISION THAT THE 160 00:04:42,383 --> 00:04:44,449 ITS HISTORIC DECISION THAT THE ARIZONA COURT SYSTEM WAS THE 161 00:04:44,451 --> 00:04:45,384 ARIZONA COURT SYSTEM WAS THE PROPER PLACE FOR EVERYBODY, THE 162 00:04:45,386 --> 00:04:47,619 PROPER PLACE FOR EVERYBODY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE INDIAN 163 00:04:47,621 --> 00:04:48,854 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE INDIAN TRIBES, THE STATE CLAIMANTS, 164 00:04:48,856 --> 00:04:49,988 TRIBES, THE STATE CLAIMANTS, EVERYBODY ELSE, TO BE IN ONE 165 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:55,294 EVERYBODY ELSE, TO BE IN ONE PLACE TO HAVE ALL OF THE CLAIMS 166 00:04:55,296 --> 00:04:57,629 PLACE TO HAVE ALL OF THE CLAIMS ASSERTED ONE AGAINST ANOTHER SO 167 00:04:57,631 --> 00:04:59,031 ASSERTED ONE AGAINST ANOTHER SO THAT WHEN A COURT FINALLY MAKES 168 00:04:59,033 --> 00:05:00,499 THAT WHEN A COURT FINALLY MAKES A DECISION AND SAYS HERE'S THE 169 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:01,233 A DECISION AND SAYS HERE'S THE DECREE, YOU HAVE THE FIRST RIGHT 170 00:05:01,235 --> 00:05:02,467 DECREE, YOU HAVE THE FIRST RIGHT TO THIS MUCH WATER, YOU HAVE THE 171 00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:03,602 TO THIS MUCH WATER, YOU HAVE THE SECOND RIGHT TO THIS MUCH WATER 172 00:05:03,604 --> 00:05:05,604 SECOND RIGHT TO THIS MUCH WATER AND SO ON DOWN THE LINE, IT 173 00:05:05,606 --> 00:05:09,041 AND SO ON DOWN THE LINE, IT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY EQUALLY. 174 00:05:09,043 --> 00:05:10,475 APPLIES TO EVERYBODY EQUALLY. JUST IMAGINE THE SITUATION IF 175 00:05:10,477 --> 00:05:12,144 JUST IMAGINE THE SITUATION IF YOU HAD FEDERAL COURTS ISSUING 176 00:05:12,146 --> 00:05:14,046 YOU HAD FEDERAL COURTS ISSUING ONE DECREE AND THE STATE COURTS 177 00:05:14,048 --> 00:05:15,614 ONE DECREE AND THE STATE COURTS ISSUING A COMPETING DECREE. 178 00:05:15,616 --> 00:05:17,883 ISSUING A COMPETING DECREE. HOW DO YOU RESOLVE THAT? 179 00:05:17,885 --> 00:05:19,951 HOW DO YOU RESOLVE THAT? SO THE SUPREME COURT SAID GET 180 00:05:19,953 --> 00:05:21,386 SO THE SUPREME COURT SAID GET TOGETHER, ONE PLACE, STATE COURT 181 00:05:21,388 --> 00:05:23,789 TOGETHER, ONE PLACE, STATE COURT IS THE RIGHT PLACE BECAUSE THE 182 00:05:23,791 --> 00:05:25,490 IS THE RIGHT PLACE BECAUSE THE STATE CAN BE SUPPORTED BY THE 183 00:05:25,492 --> 00:05:27,893 STATE CAN BE SUPPORTED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES 184 00:05:27,895 --> 00:05:29,428 DEPARTMENT OF WATER RESOURCES AND THE ARIZONA LAW THAT ENABLES 185 00:05:29,430 --> 00:05:32,064 AND THE ARIZONA LAW THAT ENABLES THAT SUPPORT. 186 00:05:32,066 --> 00:05:34,599 THAT SUPPORT. >> AS ARIZONA CONTINUES TO GROW, 187 00:05:34,601 --> 00:05:35,834 >> AS ARIZONA CONTINUES TO GROW, OBVIOUSLY YOU SAID WE CAN'T 188 00:05:35,836 --> 00:05:37,135 OBVIOUSLY YOU SAID WE CAN'T CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT OF THIS. 189 00:05:37,137 --> 00:05:39,104 CONSERVE OUR WAY OUT OF THIS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN TO 190 00:05:39,106 --> 00:05:39,805 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TURN TO SCIENCE AND INDUSTRY. 191 00:05:39,807 --> 00:05:41,506 SCIENCE AND INDUSTRY. IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE A 192 00:05:41,508 --> 00:05:42,874 IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE A POINT OR I GUESS MORE CORRECTLY, 193 00:05:42,876 --> 00:05:44,543 POINT OR I GUESS MORE CORRECTLY, THERE WILL BE A POINT WHERE 194 00:05:44,545 --> 00:05:45,977 THERE WILL BE A POINT WHERE ARIZONA'S GOING TO LOOK 195 00:05:45,979 --> 00:05:47,312 ARIZONA'S GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT AS A RESULT OF WATER. 196 00:05:47,314 --> 00:05:48,080 DIFFERENT AS A RESULT OF WATER. WHAT DO YOU THINK ARIZONA WILL 197 00:05:48,082 --> 00:05:49,781 WHAT DO YOU THINK ARIZONA WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE 198 00:05:49,783 --> 00:05:50,248 LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE REGARDING WATER? 199 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:50,949 REGARDING WATER? >> IT'S ALREADY LOOKING A LOT 200 00:05:50,951 --> 00:05:52,851 >> IT'S ALREADY LOOKING A LOT DIFFERENT. 201 00:05:52,853 --> 00:05:54,519 DIFFERENT. A LOT OF WATER THAT HAD BEEN 202 00:05:54,521 --> 00:05:56,188 A LOT OF WATER THAT HAD BEEN USED FOR AGRICULTURE IS NOW 203 00:05:56,190 --> 00:05:57,222 USED FOR AGRICULTURE IS NOW BEING USED FOR DOMESTIC AND 204 00:05:57,224 --> 00:06:02,260 BEING USED FOR DOMESTIC AND INDUSTRIAL USE. 205 00:06:02,262 --> 00:06:05,364 INDUSTRIAL USE. WATER -- AGRICULTURE CONSUMES A 206 00:06:05,366 --> 00:06:07,132 WATER -- AGRICULTURE CONSUMES A LOT OF WATER AND SO THAT'S ONE 207 00:06:07,134 --> 00:06:07,966 LOT OF WATER AND SO THAT'S ONE WAY THE STATE LOOKS DIFFERENT 208 00:06:07,968 --> 00:06:08,667 WAY THE STATE LOOKS DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT DID LET'S SAY 30 209 00:06:08,669 --> 00:06:10,535 NOW THAN IT DID LET'S SAY 30 YEARS AGO. 210 00:06:10,537 --> 00:06:11,803 YEARS AGO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME 211 00:06:11,805 --> 00:06:12,537 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS. 212 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:14,206 TOUGH DECISIONS. DO WE WANT PHOENIX, FOR EXAMPLE, 213 00:06:14,208 --> 00:06:16,641 DO WE WANT PHOENIX, FOR EXAMPLE, TO LOOK A LOT LIKE THE MORE 214 00:06:16,643 --> 00:06:18,276 TO LOOK A LOT LIKE THE MORE DESERT ORIENTED COMMUNITY OF 215 00:06:18,278 --> 00:06:18,610 DESERT ORIENTED COMMUNITY OF TUCSON. 216 00:06:18,612 --> 00:06:20,545 TUCSON. THEY DON'T USE AS MUCH WATER PER 217 00:06:20,547 --> 00:06:23,014 THEY DON'T USE AS MUCH WATER PER CAPITA AS WE DO IN PHOENIX, BUT 218 00:06:23,016 --> 00:06:25,417 CAPITA AS WE DO IN PHOENIX, BUT A LOT OF THE WEALTH THAT IS 219 00:06:25,419 --> 00:06:28,186 A LOT OF THE WEALTH THAT IS GENERATED FOR THE STATE COMES AS 220 00:06:28,188 --> 00:06:30,489 GENERATED FOR THE STATE COMES AS A RESULT OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT 221 00:06:30,491 --> 00:06:32,090 A RESULT OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE SALT RIVER 222 00:06:32,092 --> 00:06:34,192 WE HAVE HERE IN THE SALT RIVER VALLEY WITH ALL THE RESORTS AND 223 00:06:34,194 --> 00:06:35,394 VALLEY WITH ALL THE RESORTS AND GOLF COURSES AND THE OTHER 224 00:06:35,396 --> 00:06:36,628 GOLF COURSES AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT MAKE OUR COMMUNITY 225 00:06:36,630 --> 00:06:37,028 THINGS THAT MAKE OUR COMMUNITY HERE UNIQUE. 226 00:06:37,030 --> 00:06:39,498 HERE UNIQUE. SO THERE'S A TRADE-OFF THERE. 227 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:41,500 SO THERE'S A TRADE-OFF THERE. THERE'S ALSO A TRADE-OFF IN 228 00:06:41,502 --> 00:06:43,268 THERE'S ALSO A TRADE-OFF IN TERMS OF PLANTS THAT USE A LOT 229 00:06:43,270 --> 00:06:46,138 TERMS OF PLANTS THAT USE A LOT OF WATER ALSO REDUCE THE HEAT. 230 00:06:46,140 --> 00:06:47,005 OF WATER ALSO REDUCE THE HEAT. THE HEAT SINK EFFECT. 231 00:06:47,007 --> 00:06:48,507 THE HEAT SINK EFFECT. SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF 232 00:06:48,509 --> 00:06:50,876 SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE DEBATES AND WHAT I'M 233 00:06:50,878 --> 00:06:54,346 THOSE DEBATES AND WHAT I'M HOPING IS THAT WE WILL DO THAT 234 00:06:54,348 --> 00:06:56,248 HOPING IS THAT WE WILL DO THAT IN A WAY THAT DEVELOPS CONSENSUS 235 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:57,582 IN A WAY THAT DEVELOPS CONSENSUS AND DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF 236 00:06:57,584 --> 00:06:59,050 AND DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF CONFLICT IN THE MEANTIME. 237 00:06:59,052 --> 00:07:01,987 CONFLICT IN THE MEANTIME. >> YOU MENTIONED ENVIRONMENT AND 238 00:07:01,989 --> 00:07:03,822 >> YOU MENTIONED ENVIRONMENT AND SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT SEE 239 00:07:03,824 --> 00:07:04,556 SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT SEE ENVIRONMENT I DON'T WANT TO SAY 240 00:07:04,558 --> 00:07:05,857 ENVIRONMENT I DON'T WANT TO SAY IN CONFLICT BUT THAT'S PROBABLY 241 00:07:05,859 --> 00:07:08,760 IN CONFLICT BUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY IT, WITH 242 00:07:08,762 --> 00:07:14,199 THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY IT, WITH WATER, BUT THE NAVAJO GENERATING 243 00:07:14,201 --> 00:07:15,901 WATER, BUT THE NAVAJO GENERATING CENTER, WE HAVE AN ARGUMENT THAT 244 00:07:15,903 --> 00:07:17,803 CENTER, WE HAVE AN ARGUMENT THAT DOES BOIL DOWN TO -- 245 00:07:17,805 --> 00:07:19,971 DOES BOIL DOWN TO -- >> THEY ARE TWO ISSUES, AIR 246 00:07:19,973 --> 00:07:20,772 >> THEY ARE TWO ISSUES, AIR VERSUS WATER. 247 00:07:20,774 --> 00:07:23,041 VERSUS WATER. THE NAVAJO GENERATING STATION IS 248 00:07:23,043 --> 00:07:25,277 THE NAVAJO GENERATING STATION IS BEING ASKED BY THE EPA AND ASKED 249 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:26,912 BEING ASKED BY THE EPA AND ASKED AS A EUPHEMISM, THEY ORDER YOU 250 00:07:26,914 --> 00:07:30,115 AS A EUPHEMISM, THEY ORDER YOU TO REDUCE YOUR POLLUTION AND IN 251 00:07:30,117 --> 00:07:31,216 TO REDUCE YOUR POLLUTION AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO 252 00:07:31,218 --> 00:07:33,118 ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO SPEND OVER $1 BILLION TO PUT NEW 253 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,486 SPEND OVER $1 BILLION TO PUT NEW POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT ON A 254 00:07:34,488 --> 00:07:36,154 POLLUTION CONTROL EQUIPMENT ON A PLANT THAT, WELL, THE OWNERS 255 00:07:36,156 --> 00:07:37,155 PLANT THAT, WELL, THE OWNERS HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH MORE 256 00:07:37,157 --> 00:07:38,290 HAVE TO DECIDE HOW MUCH MORE THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT INTO THE 257 00:07:38,292 --> 00:07:39,157 THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT INTO THE PLANT TO KEEP IT OPERATING IN 258 00:07:39,159 --> 00:07:41,092 PLANT TO KEEP IT OPERATING IN THE LONG TERM. 259 00:07:41,094 --> 00:07:43,762 THE LONG TERM. THE BUREAU OF RECLAMATION U.S. 260 00:07:43,764 --> 00:07:46,064 THE BUREAU OF RECLAMATION U.S. GOVERNMENT OWNS 30% OF THAT 261 00:07:46,066 --> 00:07:49,534 GOVERNMENT OWNS 30% OF THAT PLANT, AND THAT POWER IS WHAT'S 262 00:07:49,536 --> 00:07:51,069 PLANT, AND THAT POWER IS WHAT'S USED TO PUMP C.A.P. WATER OUT OF 263 00:07:51,071 --> 00:07:52,137 USED TO PUMP C.A.P. WATER OUT OF THE COLORADO RIVER ALL THE WAY 264 00:07:52,139 --> 00:07:52,938 THE COLORADO RIVER ALL THE WAY TO PHOENIX AND FURTHER UPHILL TO 265 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:57,242 TO PHOENIX AND FURTHER UPHILL TO TUCSON. 266 00:07:57,244 --> 00:08:00,045 TUCSON. IT WOULD COST USERS AN ENORMOUS 267 00:08:00,047 --> 00:08:01,513 IT WOULD COST USERS AN ENORMOUS SUM OF MONEY IF WE DIDN'T HAVE 268 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:04,449 SUM OF MONEY IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RELATIVELY CHEAP HYDROPOWER 269 00:08:04,451 --> 00:08:05,851 THE RELATIVELY CHEAP HYDROPOWER COMING OUT OF GLEN CANYON DAM TO 270 00:08:05,853 --> 00:08:06,284 COMING OUT OF GLEN CANYON DAM TO DO THAT. 271 00:08:06,286 --> 00:08:09,087 DO THAT. SO THERE'S A CASE WHERE 272 00:08:09,089 --> 00:08:13,525 SO THERE'S A CASE WHERE ALLEGEDLY PROTECTING THE AIR 273 00:08:13,527 --> 00:08:14,893 ALLEGEDLY PROTECTING THE AIR QUALITY AROUND PAGE, ARIZONA IS 274 00:08:14,895 --> 00:08:17,295 QUALITY AROUND PAGE, ARIZONA IS A REASON TO REQUIRE SACRIFICE OF 275 00:08:17,297 --> 00:08:18,330 A REASON TO REQUIRE SACRIFICE OF EVERYONE ELSE WITH RESPECT TO 276 00:08:18,332 --> 00:08:19,931 EVERYONE ELSE WITH RESPECT TO THE COST OF WATER. 277 00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:21,766 THE COST OF WATER. WITH REGARD TO WATER ITSELF, THE 278 00:08:21,768 --> 00:08:23,235 WITH REGARD TO WATER ITSELF, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS BEGINNING 279 00:08:23,237 --> 00:08:27,672 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS BEGINNING TO ASSERT WHAT IT CALLS RESERVED 280 00:08:27,674 --> 00:08:29,808 TO ASSERT WHAT IT CALLS RESERVED WATER RIGHT CLAIMS TO WATER IN 281 00:08:29,810 --> 00:08:33,411 WATER RIGHT CLAIMS TO WATER IN WATER COURSES, IN STREAMS, IN 282 00:08:33,413 --> 00:08:36,147 WATER COURSES, IN STREAMS, IN RIVERS, TO SUPPORT THE FLORA AND 283 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:37,649 RIVERS, TO SUPPORT THE FLORA AND FAUNA AS PART OF THAT WATERSHED, 284 00:08:37,651 --> 00:08:41,386 FAUNA AS PART OF THAT WATERSHED, THE FISH, TURTLES, FROGS, REEDS 285 00:08:41,388 --> 00:08:42,821 THE FISH, TURTLES, FROGS, REEDS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BANKS, THE 286 00:08:42,823 --> 00:08:43,922 ALONG THE SIDE OF THE BANKS, THE BIRDS THAT LIVE IN THERE AND THE 287 00:08:43,924 --> 00:08:44,990 BIRDS THAT LIVE IN THERE AND THE REST OF IT. 288 00:08:44,992 --> 00:08:46,658 REST OF IT. IF YOU CREATE A WILDERNESS AREA, 289 00:08:46,660 --> 00:08:47,893 IF YOU CREATE A WILDERNESS AREA, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT YOU'RE 290 00:08:47,895 --> 00:08:48,994 THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE ENOUGH WATER TO 291 00:08:48,996 --> 00:08:50,629 GOING TO SAVE ENOUGH WATER TO KEEP THAT WILDERNESS AREA GOING. 292 00:08:50,631 --> 00:08:51,363 KEEP THAT WILDERNESS AREA GOING. WELL, THAT MEANS THE WATER HAS 293 00:08:51,365 --> 00:08:54,666 WELL, THAT MEANS THE WATER HAS TO FLOW DOWN THE RIVER. 294 00:08:54,668 --> 00:08:57,602 TO FLOW DOWN THE RIVER. YOU, LET'S SAY A FARMER, CAN'T 295 00:08:57,604 --> 00:08:59,571 YOU, LET'S SAY A FARMER, CAN'T TAKE WATER OUT UPSTREAM, DIVERT 296 00:08:59,573 --> 00:09:01,540 TAKE WATER OUT UPSTREAM, DIVERT IT FOR IRRIGATING YOUR FARM, 297 00:09:01,542 --> 00:09:02,874 IT FOR IRRIGATING YOUR FARM, BECAUSE THAT WATER HAS TO STAY 298 00:09:02,876 --> 00:09:05,277 BECAUSE THAT WATER HAS TO STAY IN THE RIVER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 299 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:06,545 IN THE RIVER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHEREVER IT EVENTUALLY FLOWS. 300 00:09:06,547 --> 00:09:08,046 WHEREVER IT EVENTUALLY FLOWS. THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE 301 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:08,413 THOSE ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE RESOLVED. 302 00:09:08,415 --> 00:09:09,781 RESOLVED. THEY ARE LEGAL ISSUES, THEY ARE 303 00:09:09,783 --> 00:09:11,016 THEY ARE LEGAL ISSUES, THEY ARE POLITICAL ISSUES, AND IT'S GOING 304 00:09:11,018 --> 00:09:12,017 POLITICAL ISSUES, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF WORK. 305 00:09:12,019 --> 00:09:14,152 TO TAKE A LOT OF WORK. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SHORT AND 306 00:09:14,154 --> 00:09:16,121 THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SHORT AND INTERMEDIATE TERM ISSUES THAT I 307 00:09:16,123 --> 00:09:18,757 INTERMEDIATE TERM ISSUES THAT I SPOKE OF THAT HAVE TO BE 308 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:20,258 SPOKE OF THAT HAVE TO BE RESOLVED SO THAT WE WILL IN 309 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:21,092 RESOLVED SO THAT WE WILL IN EFFECT KNOW HOW MUCH WE WILL 310 00:09:21,094 --> 00:09:22,527 EFFECT KNOW HOW MUCH WE WILL NEED TO AUGMENT OUR SUPPLY ON 311 00:09:22,529 --> 00:09:23,528 NEED TO AUGMENT OUR SUPPLY ON DOWN THE ROAD. 312 00:09:23,530 --> 00:09:25,030 DOWN THE ROAD. >> IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANY OF 313 00:09:25,032 --> 00:09:27,699 >> IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANY OF THE SHORT INTERMEDIATE OR LONG 314 00:09:27,701 --> 00:09:31,937 THE SHORT INTERMEDIATE OR LONG TERM ISSUES ARE WHAT IS KNOWN AS 315 00:09:31,939 --> 00:09:32,437 TERM ISSUES ARE WHAT IS KNOWN AS LOW-HANGING FRUIT. 316 00:09:32,439 --> 00:09:33,538 LOW-HANGING FRUIT. ALL THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN 317 00:09:33,540 --> 00:09:33,872 ALL THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN PICKED. 318 00:09:33,874 --> 00:09:34,205 PICKED. >> YES. 319 00:09:34,207 --> 00:09:36,274 >> YES. AS WE DISCUSSED TODAY, THE 320 00:09:36,276 --> 00:09:37,008 AS WE DISCUSSED TODAY, THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE 321 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:37,943 DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE IN THE FUTURE ARE GOING TO BE 322 00:09:37,945 --> 00:09:40,345 IN THE FUTURE ARE GOING TO BE TOUGH DECISIONS. 323 00:09:40,347 --> 00:09:43,014 TOUGH DECISIONS. THERE MAY HAVE TO BE TRADE-OFFS 324 00:09:43,016 --> 00:09:44,816 THERE MAY HAVE TO BE TRADE-OFFS AMONG WATER USERS, AMONG AREAS 325 00:09:44,818 --> 00:09:45,283 AMONG WATER USERS, AMONG AREAS OF THE STATE. 326 00:09:45,285 --> 00:09:47,185 OF THE STATE. THERE MAY BE SOME PRETTY BIG 327 00:09:47,187 --> 00:09:48,086 THERE MAY BE SOME PRETTY BIG COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. 328 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:51,723 COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. BUT HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. 329 00:09:51,725 --> 00:09:53,258 BUT HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. ARIZONA HAS ALWAYS MANAGED TO BE 330 00:09:53,260 --> 00:09:55,093 ARIZONA HAS ALWAYS MANAGED TO BE AHEAD OF EVERYONE ELSE IN TERMS 331 00:09:55,095 --> 00:09:56,261 AHEAD OF EVERYONE ELSE IN TERMS OF ITS WATER AVAILABILITY 332 00:09:56,263 --> 00:09:58,296 OF ITS WATER AVAILABILITY BECAUSE WE HAVE LEADERS WITH 333 00:09:58,298 --> 00:10:00,332 BECAUSE WE HAVE LEADERS WITH FORESIGHT TO LOBBY FOR THE 334 00:10:00,334 --> 00:10:01,032 FORESIGHT TO LOBBY FOR THE RECLAMATION ACTS CREATION AND 335 00:10:01,034 --> 00:10:02,300 RECLAMATION ACTS CREATION AND THE CREATION OF THE SALT RIVER 336 00:10:02,302 --> 00:10:03,568 THE CREATION OF THE SALT RIVER PROJECT, TO LOBBY FOR THE 337 00:10:03,570 --> 00:10:04,636 PROJECT, TO LOBBY FOR THE CENTRAL ARIZONA PROJECT AND THE 338 00:10:04,638 --> 00:10:05,670 CENTRAL ARIZONA PROJECT AND THE FUNDING THAT CAN BEGIN TO 339 00:10:05,672 --> 00:10:07,572 FUNDING THAT CAN BEGIN TO DELIVER OUR SHARE OF COLORADO 340 00:10:07,574 --> 00:10:09,441 DELIVER OUR SHARE OF COLORADO RIVER WATER TO ARIZONA, THE 341 00:10:09,443 --> 00:10:10,475 RIVER WATER TO ARIZONA, THE FORESIGHT TO DEVELOP THE GROUND 342 00:10:10,477 --> 00:10:11,843 FORESIGHT TO DEVELOP THE GROUND WATER MANAGEMENT ACT TO BEGIN 343 00:10:11,845 --> 00:10:12,577 WATER MANAGEMENT ACT TO BEGIN CONSERVING OUR GROUND WATER AND 344 00:10:12,579 --> 00:10:15,180 CONSERVING OUR GROUND WATER AND USING IT SENSIBLY AND SO ON. 345 00:10:15,182 --> 00:10:16,314 USING IT SENSIBLY AND SO ON. THIS ISN'T A SITUATION WHERE 346 00:10:16,316 --> 00:10:17,382 THIS ISN'T A SITUATION WHERE ARIZONA FACES A CRISIS. 347 00:10:17,384 --> 00:10:18,116 ARIZONA FACES A CRISIS. WE'RE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN MOST 348 00:10:18,118 --> 00:10:19,651 WE'RE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN MOST PLACES. 349 00:10:19,653 --> 00:10:21,419 PLACES. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW THE 350 00:10:21,421 --> 00:10:23,655 WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW THE SAME HISTORIC MODEL THAT 351 00:10:23,657 --> 00:10:25,056 SAME HISTORIC MODEL THAT ARIZONANS DID IN THE PAST, 352 00:10:25,058 --> 00:10:26,558 ARIZONANS DID IN THE PAST, ANTICIPATE WAY OUT INTO THE 353 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:28,193 ANTICIPATE WAY OUT INTO THE FUTURE A PROBLEM, GET TOGETHER 354 00:10:28,195 --> 00:10:29,060 FUTURE A PROBLEM, GET TOGETHER AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM SO THAT 355 00:10:29,062 --> 00:10:31,096 AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM SO THAT IT'S NEVER A CRISIS. 356 00:10:31,098 --> 00:10:32,764 IT'S NEVER A CRISIS. AND BY WORKING AT IT EARLY ON 357 00:10:32,766 --> 00:10:34,532 AND BY WORKING AT IT EARLY ON HERE, I THINK WE CAN AVOID THAT 358 00:10:34,534 --> 00:10:35,266 HERE, I THINK WE CAN AVOID THAT AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO SAY TO 359 00:10:35,268 --> 00:10:36,768 AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO SAY TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, HEY, 360 00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:38,103 THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, HEY, COME OUT TO ARIZONA, WE'RE GOING 361 00:10:38,105 --> 00:10:39,537 COME OUT TO ARIZONA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WONDERFUL ENVIRONMENT 362 00:10:39,539 --> 00:10:42,374 TO HAVE A WONDERFUL ENVIRONMENT FOR YOU, PLENTY OF WATER TO 363 00:10:42,376 --> 00:10:42,674 FOR YOU, PLENTY OF WATER TO BOOT. 364 00:10:42,676 --> 00:10:43,241 BOOT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. 365 00:10:43,243 --> 00:10:43,675 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. 366 00:10:43,677 --> 00:10:44,643 >> THANK YOU. YOU BET. 367 00:10:44,645 --> 00:10:45,877 YOU BET. >> FOR ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW ON 368 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:47,479 >> FOR ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW ON THE STATE'S WATER PICTURE, 369 00:10:47,481 --> 00:10:48,847 THE STATE'S WATER PICTURE, CHRISTOPHER CONOVER SPOKE WITH 370 00:10:48,849 --> 00:10:51,349 CHRISTOPHER CONOVER SPOKE WITH UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA LAW 371 00:10:51,351 --> 00:10:52,117 UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA LAW PROFESSOR AND WATER LAW EXPERT, 372 00:10:52,119 --> 00:10:56,955 PROFESSOR AND WATER LAW EXPERT, ROBERT GLENNON. 373 00:10:56,957 --> 00:10:58,390 ROBERT GLENNON. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SITTING 374 00:10:58,392 --> 00:10:59,090 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SITTING DOWN WITH US. 375 00:10:59,092 --> 00:11:00,592 DOWN WITH US. WE HEARD FROM SENATOR KYL ABOUT 376 00:11:00,594 --> 00:11:03,695 WE HEARD FROM SENATOR KYL ABOUT SOME OF THE WATER ISSUES IN THE 377 00:11:03,697 --> 00:11:06,264 SOME OF THE WATER ISSUES IN THE STATE, AND THE BIG TAKE-AWAY IT 378 00:11:06,266 --> 00:11:08,466 STATE, AND THE BIG TAKE-AWAY IT SEEMS FOR EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE 379 00:11:08,468 --> 00:11:10,468 SEEMS FOR EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE TALKED TO ABOUT WATER IS NOBODY 380 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:12,070 TALKED TO ABOUT WATER IS NOBODY DISAGREES WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT 381 00:11:12,072 --> 00:11:14,406 DISAGREES WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF WATER IF NOTHING CHANGES. 382 00:11:14,408 --> 00:11:15,740 OF WATER IF NOTHING CHANGES. BUT CONSERVATION ISN'T GOING TO 383 00:11:15,742 --> 00:11:17,142 BUT CONSERVATION ISN'T GOING TO GET US OUT OF THIS. 384 00:11:17,144 --> 00:11:18,610 GET US OUT OF THIS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK TO 385 00:11:18,612 --> 00:11:19,878 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK TO SCIENCE OR SOME OTHER METHOD TO 386 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:20,278 SCIENCE OR SOME OTHER METHOD TO SAVE US. 387 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:20,979 SAVE US. NOT SURE YOU SEE IT QUITE THE 388 00:11:20,981 --> 00:11:24,182 NOT SURE YOU SEE IT QUITE THE SAME WAY. 389 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:26,217 SAME WAY. >> I THINK IT MAY DEPEND ON WHAT 390 00:11:26,219 --> 00:11:27,786 >> I THINK IT MAY DEPEND ON WHAT WE MEAN BY CONSERVATION, BECAUSE 391 00:11:27,788 --> 00:11:29,487 WE MEAN BY CONSERVATION, BECAUSE THE BUREAU OF RECLAMATION ISSUED 392 00:11:29,489 --> 00:11:32,123 THE BUREAU OF RECLAMATION ISSUED A STUDY LAST YEAR THAT SAID THAT 393 00:11:32,125 --> 00:11:33,525 A STUDY LAST YEAR THAT SAID THAT CONSERVATION IS, IN FACT, ONE OF 394 00:11:33,527 --> 00:11:35,527 CONSERVATION IS, IN FACT, ONE OF THE BEST WAYS GOING FORWARD. 395 00:11:35,529 --> 00:11:37,595 THE BEST WAYS GOING FORWARD. WHAT WON'T WORK IS THE OLD WAY 396 00:11:37,597 --> 00:11:40,965 WHAT WON'T WORK IS THE OLD WAY OF DOING THINGS, MASSIVE 397 00:11:40,967 --> 00:11:43,334 OF DOING THINGS, MASSIVE PIPELINES, BIZARRE IDEAS TO TOW 398 00:11:43,336 --> 00:11:45,904 PIPELINES, BIZARRE IDEAS TO TOW ICEBERGS FROM THE ARCTIC, TAP 399 00:11:45,906 --> 00:11:46,838 ICEBERGS FROM THE ARCTIC, TAP INTO THE MISSOURI RIVER. 400 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,708 INTO THE MISSOURI RIVER. THOSE THINGS ARE NOT FEASIBLE, 401 00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:51,976 THOSE THINGS ARE NOT FEASIBLE, SAID THE BUREAU, BUT WHAT IS 402 00:11:51,978 --> 00:11:55,747 SAID THE BUREAU, BUT WHAT IS FEASIBLE IS CONSERVATION, REUSE, 403 00:11:55,749 --> 00:12:00,351 FEASIBLE IS CONSERVATION, REUSE, MAYBE SOME DESAL OF BRACKISH 404 00:12:00,353 --> 00:12:01,152 MAYBE SOME DESAL OF BRACKISH WATER. 405 00:12:01,154 --> 00:12:02,220 WATER. CONSERVATION'S A BIG PART. 406 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:04,022 CONSERVATION'S A BIG PART. IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK SIMPLY IF 407 00:12:04,024 --> 00:12:06,257 IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK SIMPLY IF YOU AND I OR A FEW NEW PEOPLE 408 00:12:06,259 --> 00:12:07,792 YOU AND I OR A FEW NEW PEOPLE JOIN US IN NOT LEAVING THE WATER 409 00:12:07,794 --> 00:12:09,527 JOIN US IN NOT LEAVING THE WATER RUNNING WHILE THEY BRUSH THEIR 410 00:12:09,529 --> 00:12:09,928 RUNNING WHILE THEY BRUSH THEIR TEETH. 411 00:12:09,930 --> 00:12:11,663 TEETH. THAT'S A TRIVIAL AMOUNT. 412 00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:12,330 THAT'S A TRIVIAL AMOUNT. IT'S A SYMBOLIC AMOUNT BUT 413 00:12:12,332 --> 00:12:14,833 IT'S A SYMBOLIC AMOUNT BUT TRIVIAL. 414 00:12:14,835 --> 00:12:17,335 TRIVIAL. BUT A LOT OF FARMING STILL IS 415 00:12:17,337 --> 00:12:19,971 BUT A LOT OF FARMING STILL IS PRETTY INEFFICIENT AND IF 416 00:12:19,973 --> 00:12:22,340 PRETTY INEFFICIENT AND IF FARMERS WERE TO BECOME MORE 417 00:12:22,342 --> 00:12:24,375 FARMERS WERE TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT, THAT WOULD FREE UP A 418 00:12:24,377 --> 00:12:25,510 EFFICIENT, THAT WOULD FREE UP A LOT OF NEW WATER. 419 00:12:25,512 --> 00:12:27,212 LOT OF NEW WATER. NOW, THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THAT 420 00:12:27,214 --> 00:12:27,946 NOW, THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THAT WATER OF COURSE ARE THE CITIES. 421 00:12:27,948 --> 00:12:29,981 WATER OF COURSE ARE THE CITIES. THAT'S THE GROWTH. 422 00:12:29,983 --> 00:12:32,517 THAT'S THE GROWTH. AND SO IT SEEMS SIMPLE ENOUGH TO 423 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:34,319 AND SO IT SEEMS SIMPLE ENOUGH TO SAY TO THE CITIES PUT SOME MONEY 424 00:12:34,321 --> 00:12:37,021 SAY TO THE CITIES PUT SOME MONEY ON THE TABLE, PAY FARMERS TO 425 00:12:37,023 --> 00:12:39,057 ON THE TABLE, PAY FARMERS TO MOVE FROM FLOOD IRRIGATION TO A 426 00:12:39,059 --> 00:12:40,859 MOVE FROM FLOOD IRRIGATION TO A CENTER PIVOT OR FROM A CENTER 427 00:12:40,861 --> 00:12:44,395 CENTER PIVOT OR FROM A CENTER PIVOT TO DRIP OR MICRO, REALLY 428 00:12:44,397 --> 00:12:45,029 PIVOT TO DRIP OR MICRO, REALLY EFFICIENT SYSTEMS. 429 00:12:45,031 --> 00:12:47,766 EFFICIENT SYSTEMS. THEY WILL USE LESS WATER, GROW 430 00:12:47,768 --> 00:12:49,400 THEY WILL USE LESS WATER, GROW THE SAME PRODUCT, BUT THE CITIES 431 00:12:49,402 --> 00:12:51,236 THE SAME PRODUCT, BUT THE CITIES AND INDUSTRY WILL GET THE EXTRA 432 00:12:51,238 --> 00:12:52,237 AND INDUSTRY WILL GET THE EXTRA WORK THAT'S SAVED. 433 00:12:52,239 --> 00:12:53,638 WORK THAT'S SAVED. THAT'S CONSERVATION OF THE BEST 434 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:54,038 THAT'S CONSERVATION OF THE BEST SORT. 435 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,975 SORT. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE VAST 436 00:12:56,977 --> 00:12:58,409 >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR WATER, OUR 437 00:12:58,411 --> 00:12:59,711 MAJORITY OF OUR WATER, OUR C.A.P. WATER, ACTUALLY GOES TO 438 00:12:59,713 --> 00:13:00,111 C.A.P. WATER, ACTUALLY GOES TO AGRICULTURE. 439 00:13:00,113 --> 00:13:01,913 AGRICULTURE. VERY LITTLE OF IT COMES TO YOUR 440 00:13:01,915 --> 00:13:04,182 VERY LITTLE OF IT COMES TO YOUR HOUSE, MY HOUSE, OUR VIEWERS' 441 00:13:04,184 --> 00:13:04,482 HOUSE, MY HOUSE, OUR VIEWERS' HOUSE. 442 00:13:04,484 --> 00:13:05,850 HOUSE. SO LITTLE CHANGE IN AGRICULTURE 443 00:13:05,852 --> 00:13:07,619 SO LITTLE CHANGE IN AGRICULTURE WOULD HAVE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR 444 00:13:07,621 --> 00:13:07,886 WOULD HAVE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR US. 445 00:13:07,888 --> 00:13:10,121 US. >> WELL, STATE-WIDE, IF YOU 446 00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:11,723 >> WELL, STATE-WIDE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT GROUND WATER AND 447 00:13:11,725 --> 00:13:13,591 THINK ABOUT GROUND WATER AND SALT RIVER AS A SYSTEM, FARMERS 448 00:13:13,593 --> 00:13:15,593 SALT RIVER AS A SYSTEM, FARMERS USE ABOUT 70% OF THE WATER. 449 00:13:15,595 --> 00:13:17,829 USE ABOUT 70% OF THE WATER. SO IF WE COULD GET FARMERS FROM 450 00:13:17,831 --> 00:13:20,365 SO IF WE COULD GET FARMERS FROM 70% TO 60%, THAT WOULD ALMOST 451 00:13:20,367 --> 00:13:22,567 70% TO 60%, THAT WOULD ALMOST DOUBLE THE SUPPLY FOR CITIES. 452 00:13:22,569 --> 00:13:24,269 DOUBLE THE SUPPLY FOR CITIES. SO IT'S A TREMENDOUS 453 00:13:24,271 --> 00:13:24,669 SO IT'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY. 454 00:13:24,671 --> 00:13:26,571 OPPORTUNITY. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, FARMERS 455 00:13:26,573 --> 00:13:28,640 BUT THE PROBLEM IS, FARMERS REALLY, MOST OF THEM, AREN'T IN 456 00:13:28,642 --> 00:13:29,808 REALLY, MOST OF THEM, AREN'T IN A POSITION FINANCIALLY TO BEAR 457 00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:33,611 A POSITION FINANCIALLY TO BEAR THE COSTS OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE 458 00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:33,978 THE COSTS OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE OVERHAUL. 459 00:13:33,980 --> 00:13:36,414 OVERHAUL. FOR THE CITIES, IT'S A ROUNDING 460 00:13:36,416 --> 00:13:36,714 FOR THE CITIES, IT'S A ROUNDING ERROR. 461 00:13:36,716 --> 00:13:39,284 ERROR. SO LET'S GET THE CITIES ON BOARD 462 00:13:39,286 --> 00:13:41,719 SO LET'S GET THE CITIES ON BOARD OF HELPING THE FARMERS MODERNIZE 463 00:13:41,721 --> 00:13:44,455 OF HELPING THE FARMERS MODERNIZE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEY 464 00:13:44,457 --> 00:13:45,657 THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEY WILL GET THE WATER THAT'S SAVED 465 00:13:45,659 --> 00:13:48,760 WILL GET THE WATER THAT'S SAVED AND THE FARMERS STAY IN 466 00:13:48,762 --> 00:13:49,127 AND THE FARMERS STAY IN BUSINESS. 467 00:13:49,129 --> 00:13:50,361 BUSINESS. >> AGRICULTURE IS HUGE BUSINESS 468 00:13:50,363 --> 00:13:51,629 >> AGRICULTURE IS HUGE BUSINESS IN ARIZONA, ONE OF THE THINGS 469 00:13:51,631 --> 00:13:53,031 IN ARIZONA, ONE OF THE THINGS OUR ECONOMY RESTS ON, SO ANY 470 00:13:53,033 --> 00:13:54,532 OUR ECONOMY RESTS ON, SO ANY CHANGE COULD HAVE BIG 471 00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:55,400 CHANGE COULD HAVE BIG TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECTS BUT IT 472 00:13:55,402 --> 00:13:57,168 TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECTS BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU ARE 473 00:13:57,170 --> 00:13:59,204 DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU ARE SAYING THAT'S IT, YOU KNOW, PUT 474 00:13:59,206 --> 00:14:00,572 SAYING THAT'S IT, YOU KNOW, PUT HOUSES OR SHOPPING MALLS IN ALL 475 00:14:00,574 --> 00:14:02,006 HOUSES OR SHOPPING MALLS IN ALL THE FIELDS, WE'RE OUT OF 476 00:14:02,008 --> 00:14:02,941 THE FIELDS, WE'RE OUT OF AGRICULTURE, JUST NEED TO DO 477 00:14:02,943 --> 00:14:03,708 AGRICULTURE, JUST NEED TO DO SOME MODIFICATION. 478 00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:04,909 SOME MODIFICATION. >> ACTUALLY, THE ROLE OF 479 00:14:04,911 --> 00:14:06,277 >> ACTUALLY, THE ROLE OF AGRICULTURE IS MUCH REDUCED FROM 480 00:14:06,279 --> 00:14:09,147 AGRICULTURE IS MUCH REDUCED FROM WHERE IT WAS WHEN WE HAD THE 481 00:14:09,149 --> 00:14:11,716 WHERE IT WAS WHEN WE HAD THE FOUR OR FIVE Cs THAT INCLUDED 482 00:14:11,718 --> 00:14:14,319 FOUR OR FIVE Cs THAT INCLUDED COTTON AND CITRUS. 483 00:14:14,321 --> 00:14:16,487 COTTON AND CITRUS. AGRICULTURE'S PROBABLY LESS THAN 484 00:14:16,489 --> 00:14:17,655 AGRICULTURE'S PROBABLY LESS THAN 1% OF GROSS STATE PRODUCT BUT 485 00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:18,923 1% OF GROSS STATE PRODUCT BUT STILL, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF 486 00:14:18,925 --> 00:14:20,792 STILL, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHO WE ARE AS A PEOPLE, AS A 487 00:14:20,794 --> 00:14:21,226 WHO WE ARE AS A PEOPLE, AS A CULTURE. 488 00:14:21,228 --> 00:14:22,327 CULTURE. MOREOVER, THE FARMERS HAVE 489 00:14:22,329 --> 00:14:24,028 MOREOVER, THE FARMERS HAVE RIGHTS TO THE WATER. 490 00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:24,729 RIGHTS TO THE WATER. IT'S THEIR WATER RIGHTS THAT 491 00:14:24,731 --> 00:14:27,632 IT'S THEIR WATER RIGHTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 492 00:14:27,634 --> 00:14:29,868 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO YOU NEED TO GIVE FARMERS AN 493 00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:31,269 SO YOU NEED TO GIVE FARMERS AN INCENTIVE IF YOU EXPECT THEM TO 494 00:14:31,271 --> 00:14:32,637 INCENTIVE IF YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. 495 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:33,404 DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. OTHERWISE, THEY WILL CONTINUE 496 00:14:33,406 --> 00:14:34,672 OTHERWISE, THEY WILL CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING, WHICH 497 00:14:34,674 --> 00:14:36,875 DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING, WHICH IS SOMETIMES NOT VERY EFFICIENT. 498 00:14:36,877 --> 00:14:38,443 IS SOMETIMES NOT VERY EFFICIENT. >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WATER 499 00:14:38,445 --> 00:14:39,978 >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WATER RIGHTS, ARIZONA'S A JUNIOR 500 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:42,447 RIGHTS, ARIZONA'S A JUNIOR PARTNER ON THE COLORADO RIVER. 501 00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:44,549 PARTNER ON THE COLORADO RIVER. SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT'S TIME 502 00:14:44,551 --> 00:14:47,752 SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID IT'S TIME TO RELOOK AT THAT LEGISLATION, 503 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:49,721 TO RELOOK AT THAT LEGISLATION, THAT BODY OF LAW REALISTICALLY. 504 00:14:49,723 --> 00:14:51,155 THAT BODY OF LAW REALISTICALLY. YOU ARE ALSO A LAW PROFESSOR. 505 00:14:51,157 --> 00:14:53,124 YOU ARE ALSO A LAW PROFESSOR. WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT 506 00:14:53,126 --> 00:14:56,394 WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT WATER LAW MASSIVELY EVER 507 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:57,595 WATER LAW MASSIVELY EVER CHANGING ON RIGHTS OF THE 508 00:14:57,597 --> 00:14:57,962 CHANGING ON RIGHTS OF THE COLORADO? 509 00:14:57,964 --> 00:14:59,330 COLORADO? >> I'M PRETTY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT 510 00:14:59,332 --> 00:14:59,964 >> I'M PRETTY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THAT, CHRISTOPHER. 511 00:14:59,966 --> 00:15:01,266 THAT, CHRISTOPHER. OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, YOU'VE 512 00:15:01,268 --> 00:15:03,534 OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, YOU'VE SEEN AN UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT OF 513 00:15:03,536 --> 00:15:05,403 SEEN AN UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT OF COOPERATION AND CONCILIATION 514 00:15:05,405 --> 00:15:07,071 COOPERATION AND CONCILIATION AMONG SEVEN BASIN STATES. 515 00:15:07,073 --> 00:15:08,606 AMONG SEVEN BASIN STATES. THEY DID SO IN AN IMPORTANT 516 00:15:08,608 --> 00:15:10,441 THEY DID SO IN AN IMPORTANT AGREEMENT IN 2007. 517 00:15:10,443 --> 00:15:13,044 AGREEMENT IN 2007. THEY DID SO JUST LAST YEAR IN 518 00:15:13,046 --> 00:15:15,380 THEY DID SO JUST LAST YEAR IN WHAT IS CALLED MINUTE 319, WHERE 519 00:15:15,382 --> 00:15:16,714 WHAT IS CALLED MINUTE 319, WHERE STATES ARE PUTTING FORWARD MONEY 520 00:15:16,716 --> 00:15:19,417 STATES ARE PUTTING FORWARD MONEY TO MODERNIZE INFRASTRUCTURE, TO 521 00:15:19,419 --> 00:15:21,019 TO MODERNIZE INFRASTRUCTURE, TO HELP WITH EFFICIENCY 522 00:15:21,021 --> 00:15:21,753 HELP WITH EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN GETTING 523 00:15:21,755 --> 00:15:24,789 IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN GETTING SOME RIGHTS AS A RESULT OF THAT. 524 00:15:24,791 --> 00:15:26,958 SOME RIGHTS AS A RESULT OF THAT. THE BIG WILD CARD IN ALL OF THIS 525 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,961 THE BIG WILD CARD IN ALL OF THIS IS CLIMATE CHANGE, AND OUR 526 00:15:29,963 --> 00:15:31,095 IS CLIMATE CHANGE, AND OUR RIGHTS TRADITIONALLY WERE SET UP 527 00:15:31,097 --> 00:15:32,664 RIGHTS TRADITIONALLY WERE SET UP ON A ZERO SUM GAME. 528 00:15:32,666 --> 00:15:34,332 ON A ZERO SUM GAME. IT'S MY RIGHT OR YOUR RIGHT. 529 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:35,366 IT'S MY RIGHT OR YOUR RIGHT. IT'S NOT A SHARED RIGHT. 530 00:15:35,368 --> 00:15:37,568 IT'S NOT A SHARED RIGHT. BUT WHAT WE NEED TO BE BUILDING 531 00:15:37,570 --> 00:15:41,239 BUT WHAT WE NEED TO BE BUILDING IN IS RESILIENCY IN THE FORM OF 532 00:15:41,241 --> 00:15:44,008 IN IS RESILIENCY IN THE FORM OF RISK STRATEGIES THAT HELP US 533 00:15:44,010 --> 00:15:47,211 RISK STRATEGIES THAT HELP US WHEN THE DROUGHT PERSISTS. 534 00:15:47,213 --> 00:15:48,446 WHEN THE DROUGHT PERSISTS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETHING AS 535 00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:52,583 SO FOR EXAMPLE, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS A DRY YEAR OPTION, 536 00:15:52,585 --> 00:15:53,217 SIMPLE AS A DRY YEAR OPTION, WHERE THE CITY SAYS TO AN 537 00:15:53,219 --> 00:15:55,486 WHERE THE CITY SAYS TO AN ALFALFA FARMER, WE ARE IN TOUGH 538 00:15:55,488 --> 00:15:57,188 ALFALFA FARMER, WE ARE IN TOUGH SHAPE THIS YEAR, HOW ABOUT YOU 539 00:15:57,190 --> 00:15:58,756 SHAPE THIS YEAR, HOW ABOUT YOU FALLOW YOUR LAND, WE WILL PAY 540 00:15:58,758 --> 00:15:59,958 FALLOW YOUR LAND, WE WILL PAY YOU FOR WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE 541 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:01,259 YOU FOR WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE GROWN BUT WE'LL TAKE THE WATER 542 00:16:01,261 --> 00:16:02,427 GROWN BUT WE'LL TAKE THE WATER THIS YEAR. 543 00:16:02,429 --> 00:16:03,294 THIS YEAR. THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF, THE 544 00:16:03,296 --> 00:16:04,896 THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF, THE OUT OF THE BOX THINKING THAT WE 545 00:16:04,898 --> 00:16:05,830 OUT OF THE BOX THINKING THAT WE NEED GOING FORWARD. 546 00:16:05,832 --> 00:16:07,999 NEED GOING FORWARD. >> HOW DO WE CHANGE OVERALL 547 00:16:08,001 --> 00:16:09,934 >> HOW DO WE CHANGE OVERALL THINKING, I GUESS EVERYBODY'S 548 00:16:09,936 --> 00:16:11,369 THINKING, I GUESS EVERYBODY'S THINKING, TUCSON A NUMBER OF 549 00:16:11,371 --> 00:16:12,637 THINKING, TUCSON A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO EMBARKED ON A PROGRAM 550 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:14,172 YEARS AGO EMBARKED ON A PROGRAM TO GET PEOPLE TO PULL OUT THEIR 551 00:16:14,174 --> 00:16:15,807 TO GET PEOPLE TO PULL OUT THEIR LAWNS AND REALLY DO A LOT OF 552 00:16:15,809 --> 00:16:17,175 LAWNS AND REALLY DO A LOT OF CONSERVATION AROUND THE HOME 553 00:16:17,177 --> 00:16:18,142 CONSERVATION AROUND THE HOME WITH ZERO SCAPING. 554 00:16:18,144 --> 00:16:20,078 WITH ZERO SCAPING. WE LOOK UP AT PHOENIX AND THERE 555 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,613 WE LOOK UP AT PHOENIX AND THERE ARE STILL PLENTY OF LAWNS, IT 556 00:16:22,615 --> 00:16:24,048 ARE STILL PLENTY OF LAWNS, IT HAS BEEN SAID WELL, PHOENIX 557 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:25,316 HAS BEEN SAID WELL, PHOENIX NEEDS THAT, MORE TOURISTS GO 558 00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:26,250 NEEDS THAT, MORE TOURISTS GO THERE, THEY NEED THE WATER FOR 559 00:16:26,252 --> 00:16:27,919 THERE, THEY NEED THE WATER FOR THE GOLF COURSES AND THINGS LIKE 560 00:16:27,921 --> 00:16:28,987 THE GOLF COURSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BRING PEOPLE IN. 561 00:16:28,989 --> 00:16:30,288 THAT TO BRING PEOPLE IN. HOW DO WE CHANGE THIS THINKING? 562 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:34,025 HOW DO WE CHANGE THIS THINKING? >> SECESSION? 563 00:16:34,027 --> 00:16:36,661 >> SECESSION? THAT'S RIDICULOUS THAT THEY NEED 564 00:16:36,663 --> 00:16:37,729 THAT'S RIDICULOUS THAT THEY NEED IT FOR TOURISM. 565 00:16:37,731 --> 00:16:42,033 IT FOR TOURISM. GOLF COURSES HELP TOURISM, BUT 566 00:16:42,035 --> 00:16:44,435 GOLF COURSES HELP TOURISM, BUT LAS VEGAS HAS SPENT $200 MILLION 567 00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:46,204 LAS VEGAS HAS SPENT $200 MILLION RIPPING OUT LAWNS AND 40 MILLION 568 00:16:46,206 --> 00:16:48,306 RIPPING OUT LAWNS AND 40 MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR GO TO LAS VEGAS. 569 00:16:48,308 --> 00:16:50,641 PEOPLE A YEAR GO TO LAS VEGAS. SO YOU CAN HAVE A TOURIST MAGNET 570 00:16:50,643 --> 00:16:53,011 SO YOU CAN HAVE A TOURIST MAGNET WITHOUT WATER RUNNING DOWN THE 571 00:16:53,013 --> 00:16:53,344 WITHOUT WATER RUNNING DOWN THE STREET. 572 00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:55,046 STREET. YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I, 573 00:16:55,048 --> 00:16:56,381 YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I, CHRISTOPHER, WHENEVER YOU GO TO 574 00:16:56,383 --> 00:16:57,281 CHRISTOPHER, WHENEVER YOU GO TO PHOENIX, YOU SEE WATER RUNNING 575 00:16:57,283 --> 00:16:59,484 PHOENIX, YOU SEE WATER RUNNING DOWN THE STREET. 576 00:16:59,486 --> 00:17:01,152 DOWN THE STREET. YOU SEE LAWNS NOT WHERE KIDS ARE 577 00:17:01,154 --> 00:17:05,223 YOU SEE LAWNS NOT WHERE KIDS ARE PLAYING ON THE LAWNS, BUT LOS 578 00:17:05,225 --> 00:17:08,693 PLAYING ON THE LAWNS, BUT LOS ANGELES AS -- LAWNS AS A BUFFER 579 00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:10,128 ANGELES AS -- LAWNS AS A BUFFER A SIDEWALK OR A FENCE TO ANOTHER 580 00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:11,162 A SIDEWALK OR A FENCE TO ANOTHER FENCE, WHERE NO ONE CAN EVEN SEE 581 00:17:11,164 --> 00:17:11,863 FENCE, WHERE NO ONE CAN EVEN SEE THE LAWN. 582 00:17:11,865 --> 00:17:12,830 THE LAWN. WE CAN DO BETTER. 583 00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:15,633 WE CAN DO BETTER. >> LONG TERM, OBVIOUSLY THESE 584 00:17:15,635 --> 00:17:18,002 >> LONG TERM, OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO MAKE. 585 00:17:18,004 --> 00:17:19,370 ARE DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO MAKE. IT'S EASY FOR US TO SIT HERE AND 586 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:20,438 IT'S EASY FOR US TO SIT HERE AND SAY THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE 587 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,374 SAY THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BUT GETTING PEOPLE TO DO 588 00:17:23,376 --> 00:17:25,109 DONE BUT GETTING PEOPLE TO DO IT, THERE ARE A LITTLE MORE 589 00:17:25,111 --> 00:17:25,476 IT, THERE ARE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT. 590 00:17:25,478 --> 00:17:26,511 DIFFICULT. LONG TERM, ARE YOU HOPEFUL THESE 591 00:17:26,513 --> 00:17:27,912 LONG TERM, ARE YOU HOPEFUL THESE DECISIONS CAN BE MADE BEFORE WE 592 00:17:27,914 --> 00:17:29,213 DECISIONS CAN BE MADE BEFORE WE REACH A CRISIS LEVEL OR IS IT 593 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:30,581 REACH A CRISIS LEVEL OR IS IT GOING TO TAKE A REAL CRISIS 594 00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:31,916 GOING TO TAKE A REAL CRISIS LEVEL WHERE PEOPLE TURN ON THEIR 595 00:17:31,918 --> 00:17:33,851 LEVEL WHERE PEOPLE TURN ON THEIR TAP AND NOTHING COMES OUT BEFORE 596 00:17:33,853 --> 00:17:34,619 TAP AND NOTHING COMES OUT BEFORE BIG CHANGES COME? 597 00:17:34,621 --> 00:17:36,954 BIG CHANGES COME? >> WELL, WE'RE IN A CRISIS RIGHT 598 00:17:36,956 --> 00:17:37,221 >> WELL, WE'RE IN A CRISIS RIGHT NOW. 599 00:17:37,223 --> 00:17:40,792 NOW. WATER STILL COMES OUT OF THE 600 00:17:40,794 --> 00:17:44,062 WATER STILL COMES OUT OF THE TAP, BUT POWER PLANTS ARE NOT 601 00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:44,896 TAP, BUT POWER PLANTS ARE NOT BEING BUILT. 602 00:17:44,898 --> 00:17:46,597 BEING BUILT. RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL 603 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:47,432 RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS CANCELED. 604 00:17:47,434 --> 00:17:50,201 DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS CANCELED. FACTORIES CLOSING. 605 00:17:50,203 --> 00:17:51,669 FACTORIES CLOSING. SOME PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY 606 00:17:51,671 --> 00:17:52,570 SOME PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY HAVE RUN OUT OF WATER. 607 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:55,840 HAVE RUN OUT OF WATER. SO THE CRISIS IS HERE. 608 00:17:55,842 --> 00:17:59,811 SO THE CRISIS IS HERE. BUT THERE ARE STILL CHOICES AND 609 00:17:59,813 --> 00:18:01,012 BUT THERE ARE STILL CHOICES AND PATHS TO SELECT BETWEEN AND 610 00:18:01,014 --> 00:18:02,747 PATHS TO SELECT BETWEEN AND AMONG TO KEEP THE CRISIS FROM 611 00:18:02,749 --> 00:18:03,347 AMONG TO KEEP THE CRISIS FROM BECOMING A CATASTROPHE. 612 00:18:03,349 --> 00:18:05,483 BECOMING A CATASTROPHE. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. 613 00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:08,352 THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. AND THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE 614 00:18:08,354 --> 00:18:09,887 AND THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE POLITICAL WILL AND MORAL 615 00:18:09,889 --> 00:18:10,221 POLITICAL WILL AND MORAL COURAGE. 616 00:18:10,223 --> 00:18:11,289 COURAGE. >> THANKS FOR SITTING DOWN WITH 617 00:18:11,291 --> 00:18:11,556 >> THANKS FOR SITTING DOWN WITH US. 618 00:18:11,558 --> 00:18:13,858 US. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU, CHRISTOPHER. 619 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:15,860 >> GOOD TO SEE YOU, CHRISTOPHER. >> MANY AMERICANS OF A CERTAIN 620 00:18:15,862 --> 00:18:17,195 >> MANY AMERICANS OF A CERTAIN AGE REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE 50 621 00:18:17,197 --> 00:18:18,496 AGE REMEMBER WHERE WE WERE 50 YEARS AGO WHEN WE HEARD THE NEWS 622 00:18:18,498 --> 00:18:20,998 YEARS AGO WHEN WE HEARD THE NEWS OF JOHN F. KENNEDY'S 623 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:21,432 OF JOHN F. KENNEDY'S ASSASSINATION. 624 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:22,900 ASSASSINATION. TO MARK THE ANNIVERSARY, WE'LL 625 00:18:22,902 --> 00:18:25,570 TO MARK THE ANNIVERSARY, WE'LL LOOK AT KENNEDY'S TIME AND 626 00:18:25,572 --> 00:18:26,504 LOOK AT KENNEDY'S TIME AND CONNECTIONS TO ARIZONA. 627 00:18:26,506 --> 00:18:28,372 CONNECTIONS TO ARIZONA. JOINING ME IS TUCSON HISTORIAN 628 00:18:28,374 --> 00:18:30,808 JOINING ME IS TUCSON HISTORIAN JIM TURNER, WHO HAS RESEARCHED 629 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:32,510 JIM TURNER, WHO HAS RESEARCHED AND WRITTEN ABOUT JFK IN OUR 630 00:18:32,512 --> 00:18:32,810 AND WRITTEN ABOUT JFK IN OUR STATE. 631 00:18:32,812 --> 00:18:33,811 STATE. WELCOME, MR. TURNER. 632 00:18:33,813 --> 00:18:34,846 WELCOME, MR. TURNER. >> THANK YOU, MICHAEL. 633 00:18:34,848 --> 00:18:36,581 >> THANK YOU, MICHAEL. >> TELL US ABOUT THE FIRST TIME 634 00:18:36,583 --> 00:18:38,049 >> TELL US ABOUT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU KNOW OF THROUGH YOUR 635 00:18:38,051 --> 00:18:38,683 THAT YOU KNOW OF THROUGH YOUR RESEARCH THAT JFK CAME TO 636 00:18:38,685 --> 00:18:40,518 RESEARCH THAT JFK CAME TO ARIZONA. 637 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,188 ARIZONA. >> WELL, IT WAS 1936, IN THE 638 00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:46,023 >> WELL, IT WAS 1936, IN THE SPRING AND SUMMER OF 1936. 639 00:18:46,025 --> 00:18:47,625 SPRING AND SUMMER OF 1936. >> AND WHAT WAS HE DOING HERE? 640 00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:49,260 >> AND WHAT WAS HE DOING HERE? >> WELL, SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH, HE 641 00:18:49,262 --> 00:18:51,896 >> WELL, SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH, HE WAS WORKING ON A RANCH JUST 642 00:18:51,898 --> 00:18:54,098 WAS WORKING ON A RANCH JUST SOUTH OF -- WELL, IT WAS OUTSIDE 643 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:54,832 SOUTH OF -- WELL, IT WAS OUTSIDE OF BENSON. 644 00:18:54,834 --> 00:18:58,302 OF BENSON. THE MAN WHO OWNED THE RANCH, 645 00:18:58,304 --> 00:19:00,872 THE MAN WHO OWNED THE RANCH, JOHN G.F.SPIDEN, HAD THIS RANCH. 646 00:19:00,874 --> 00:19:02,607 JOHN G.F.SPIDEN, HAD THIS RANCH. HE CAME TO ARIZONA IN 1932. 647 00:19:02,609 --> 00:19:05,943 HE CAME TO ARIZONA IN 1932. HE WAS A WALL STREET BANKER, BUT 648 00:19:05,945 --> 00:19:07,812 HE WAS A WALL STREET BANKER, BUT HE HAD HEALTH PROBLEMS, SO LIKE 649 00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:10,748 HE HAD HEALTH PROBLEMS, SO LIKE MANY OTHERS, HE CAME TO ARIZONA. 650 00:19:10,750 --> 00:19:12,183 MANY OTHERS, HE CAME TO ARIZONA. >> AND KENNEDY CAME TO HIS RANCH 651 00:19:12,185 --> 00:19:14,886 >> AND KENNEDY CAME TO HIS RANCH AS A TEENAGER 17, 18 YEARS OLD, 652 00:19:14,888 --> 00:19:16,954 AS A TEENAGER 17, 18 YEARS OLD, AROUND THERE, WITH HIS OLDER 653 00:19:16,956 --> 00:19:18,456 AROUND THERE, WITH HIS OLDER BROTHER, JOE, AND THEY SPENT HOW 654 00:19:18,458 --> 00:19:20,091 BROTHER, JOE, AND THEY SPENT HOW MUCH TIME ON THAT RANCH? 655 00:19:20,093 --> 00:19:22,994 MUCH TIME ON THAT RANCH? >> ABOUT SIX MONTHS. 656 00:19:22,996 --> 00:19:27,832 >> ABOUT SIX MONTHS. SPRING AND SUMMER, AND JFK HAD 657 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:30,201 SPRING AND SUMMER, AND JFK HAD BEEN IN LONDON ATTENDING THE 658 00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:31,669 BEEN IN LONDON ATTENDING THE LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS, AND 659 00:19:31,671 --> 00:19:32,403 LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS, AND GOT VERY SICK. 660 00:19:32,405 --> 00:19:34,372 GOT VERY SICK. I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF IT WAS 661 00:19:34,374 --> 00:19:35,773 I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF IT WAS PNEUMONIA BUT IT WAS SOMETHING 662 00:19:35,775 --> 00:19:38,976 PNEUMONIA BUT IT WAS SOMETHING PRETTY BAD, SO HE HAD TO COME 663 00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:41,445 PRETTY BAD, SO HE HAD TO COME HOME AND HIS FATHER JOSEPH HAD A 664 00:19:41,447 --> 00:19:44,649 HOME AND HIS FATHER JOSEPH HAD A FRIEND WHO WAS A JOURNALIST WHO 665 00:19:44,651 --> 00:19:47,218 FRIEND WHO WAS A JOURNALIST WHO KNEW MR. SPIDEN AND SAID WHY 666 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:49,053 KNEW MR. SPIDEN AND SAID WHY DON'T YOU SEND JACK OUT TO THE 667 00:19:49,055 --> 00:19:50,688 DON'T YOU SEND JACK OUT TO THE RANCH TO RECUPERATE. 668 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:52,490 RANCH TO RECUPERATE. AND EVIDENTLY, THEY JUST SENT 669 00:19:52,492 --> 00:19:53,858 AND EVIDENTLY, THEY JUST SENT JOE ALONG TO BE HIS COMPANION. 670 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:55,726 JOE ALONG TO BE HIS COMPANION. >> WHAT DID THEY DO ON THE 671 00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:56,027 >> WHAT DID THEY DO ON THE RANCH? 672 00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:57,495 RANCH? DID THEY JUST HANG OUT OR -- 673 00:19:57,497 --> 00:19:59,030 DID THEY JUST HANG OUT OR -- >> NO, THEY DID REAL COWBOY 674 00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:00,965 >> NO, THEY DID REAL COWBOY STUFF AND IT WAS A PAID JOB. 675 00:20:00,967 --> 00:20:02,633 STUFF AND IT WAS A PAID JOB. THEIR FATHER FELT THAT THEY 676 00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:04,035 THEIR FATHER FELT THAT THEY SHOULD LEARN, ACTUALLY DO 677 00:20:04,037 --> 00:20:06,237 SHOULD LEARN, ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR HANDS, SO 678 00:20:06,239 --> 00:20:08,573 SOMETHING WITH THEIR HANDS, SO THEY RODE FENCE, THEY FIXED, 679 00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:10,975 THEY RODE FENCE, THEY FIXED, MENDED FENCES, HERDED CATTLE, 680 00:20:10,977 --> 00:20:16,047 MENDED FENCES, HERDED CATTLE, BUT ALSO BUILT AN ADOBE OFFICE 681 00:20:16,049 --> 00:20:17,515 BUT ALSO BUILT AN ADOBE OFFICE FOR THE RANCH OWNER AND LATER 682 00:20:17,517 --> 00:20:19,183 FOR THE RANCH OWNER AND LATER ON, MR. SPIDEN SAID HE WOULD 683 00:20:19,185 --> 00:20:21,319 ON, MR. SPIDEN SAID HE WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT THE HOUSE THAT 684 00:20:21,321 --> 00:20:22,420 LIKE TO CALL IT THE HOUSE THAT JACK BUILT BECAUSE HE HAD 685 00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:24,255 JACK BUILT BECAUSE HE HAD ACTUALLY BUILT IT OUT OF ADOBE 686 00:20:24,257 --> 00:20:24,589 ACTUALLY BUILT IT OUT OF ADOBE BRICKS. 687 00:20:24,591 --> 00:20:26,624 BRICKS. >> AFTER THAT, THE KENNEDY 688 00:20:26,626 --> 00:20:28,359 >> AFTER THAT, THE KENNEDY BROTHERS WENT BACK HOME AND THEY 689 00:20:28,361 --> 00:20:30,094 BROTHERS WENT BACK HOME AND THEY BOTH WENT -- ENROLLED IN 690 00:20:30,096 --> 00:20:30,428 BOTH WENT -- ENROLLED IN HARVARD. 691 00:20:30,430 --> 00:20:32,630 HARVARD. BUT KENNEDY, JOHN KENNEDY, CAME 692 00:20:32,632 --> 00:20:34,632 BUT KENNEDY, JOHN KENNEDY, CAME BACK TO ARIZONA AGAIN FOR HEALTH 693 00:20:34,634 --> 00:20:36,234 BACK TO ARIZONA AGAIN FOR HEALTH REASONS A FEW YEARS LATER. 694 00:20:36,236 --> 00:20:38,402 REASONS A FEW YEARS LATER. THIS WAS AFTER HIS WORLD WAR II 695 00:20:38,404 --> 00:20:40,004 THIS WAS AFTER HIS WORLD WAR II INJURIES, RIGHT? 696 00:20:40,006 --> 00:20:40,838 INJURIES, RIGHT? >> RIGHT. 697 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,241 >> RIGHT. AFTER P.T. 109 WAS RAMMED IN 698 00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:46,844 AFTER P.T. 109 WAS RAMMED IN AUGUST OF 1942, HE OF COURSE 699 00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:49,447 AUGUST OF 1942, HE OF COURSE REINJURED HIS BACK. 700 00:20:49,449 --> 00:20:51,249 REINJURED HIS BACK. HE AND BROTHER JOE JOINED THE 701 00:20:51,251 --> 00:20:52,550 HE AND BROTHER JOE JOINED THE HARVARD FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE 702 00:20:52,552 --> 00:20:55,353 HARVARD FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE FALL OF '36 AND HE INJURED IT 703 00:20:55,355 --> 00:20:59,223 FALL OF '36 AND HE INJURED IT THERE, BUT -- SO AFTER THE P.T. 704 00:20:59,225 --> 00:21:02,627 THERE, BUT -- SO AFTER THE P.T. 109 CRASH, HE WENT TO THE CASTLE 705 00:21:02,629 --> 00:21:04,262 109 CRASH, HE WENT TO THE CASTLE HOT SPRINGS RESORT OUTSIDE OF 706 00:21:04,264 --> 00:21:05,563 HOT SPRINGS RESORT OUTSIDE OF PHOENIX AND RECUPERATED FOR 707 00:21:05,565 --> 00:21:06,297 PHOENIX AND RECUPERATED FOR THREE MONTHS THERE. 708 00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:07,031 THREE MONTHS THERE. >> FOR THREE MONTHS. 709 00:21:07,033 --> 00:21:08,266 >> FOR THREE MONTHS. >> YEAH. 710 00:21:08,268 --> 00:21:10,334 >> YEAH. >> BUT HE ALSO, AS YOUR STORY 711 00:21:10,336 --> 00:21:13,137 >> BUT HE ALSO, AS YOUR STORY TELLS IT, GOT A LITTLE BIT BORED 712 00:21:13,139 --> 00:21:14,772 TELLS IT, GOT A LITTLE BIT BORED WITH -- THERE WASN'T MUCH ACTION 713 00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:15,072 WITH -- THERE WASN'T MUCH ACTION THERE. 714 00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:16,807 THERE. >> RIGHT. 715 00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:18,442 >> RIGHT. IT'S 55 MILES OUTSIDE OF 716 00:21:18,444 --> 00:21:20,611 IT'S 55 MILES OUTSIDE OF PHOENIX, NORTHWEST OF PHOENIX, 717 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:23,681 PHOENIX, NORTHWEST OF PHOENIX, AND IT WAS BUILT IN 1896, SO IT 718 00:21:23,683 --> 00:21:26,417 AND IT WAS BUILT IN 1896, SO IT WAS A RESORT FOR THE 719 00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:28,686 WAS A RESORT FOR THE VANDERBILTS, ASTORS, BUT HE'S 23 720 00:21:28,688 --> 00:21:30,121 VANDERBILTS, ASTORS, BUT HE'S 23 YEARS OLD AND IT WAS PRETTY 721 00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:32,690 YEARS OLD AND IT WAS PRETTY BORING, SO THEN HE WENT TO THE 722 00:21:32,692 --> 00:21:35,192 BORING, SO THEN HE WENT TO THE BILTMORE, ARIZONA BILTMORE IN 723 00:21:35,194 --> 00:21:37,295 BILTMORE, ARIZONA BILTMORE IN PHOENIX, AND THAT WAS TOO PROPER 724 00:21:37,297 --> 00:21:37,628 PHOENIX, AND THAT WAS TOO PROPER FOR HIM. 725 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,697 FOR HIM. HE WOUND UP AT THE CAMELBACK INN 726 00:21:39,699 --> 00:21:42,300 HE WOUND UP AT THE CAMELBACK INN AND STAYED I'M NOT QUOTE SURE 727 00:21:42,302 --> 00:21:42,667 AND STAYED I'M NOT QUOTE SURE HOW LONG. 728 00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:44,168 HOW LONG. BUT THAT WAS MORE TO HIS LIKING. 729 00:21:44,170 --> 00:21:45,202 BUT THAT WAS MORE TO HIS LIKING. A LOT MORE ACTION. 730 00:21:45,204 --> 00:21:47,271 A LOT MORE ACTION. >> THEN HE WENT BACK TO 731 00:21:47,273 --> 00:21:48,839 >> THEN HE WENT BACK TO MASSACHUSETTS, RAN FOR CONGRESS, 732 00:21:48,841 --> 00:21:50,141 MASSACHUSETTS, RAN FOR CONGRESS, BECAME A U.S. SENATOR, MADE 733 00:21:50,143 --> 00:21:51,542 BECAME A U.S. SENATOR, MADE ANOTHER VISIT TO ARIZONA NOW AS 734 00:21:51,544 --> 00:21:53,978 ANOTHER VISIT TO ARIZONA NOW AS A PUBLIC FIGURE, 1958. 735 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:54,312 A PUBLIC FIGURE, 1958. CORRECT? 736 00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:54,879 CORRECT? >> YES. 737 00:21:54,881 --> 00:21:55,646 >> YES. >> U.S. SENATOR. 738 00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:58,482 >> U.S. SENATOR. >> I WAS REALLY SURPRISED TO 739 00:21:58,484 --> 00:21:59,850 >> I WAS REALLY SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT, THAT TUCSON HISTORY 740 00:21:59,852 --> 00:22:01,452 LEARN THAT, THAT TUCSON HISTORY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBJECTS, 741 00:22:01,454 --> 00:22:03,220 IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SUBJECTS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN BE 742 00:22:03,222 --> 00:22:05,156 AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN BE REALLY PROUD OF IS THE ARIZONA 743 00:22:05,158 --> 00:22:06,390 REALLY PROUD OF IS THE ARIZONA FORUM. 744 00:22:06,392 --> 00:22:09,093 FORUM. WE WERE ABLE TO BRING LEADING 745 00:22:09,095 --> 00:22:11,262 WE WERE ABLE TO BRING LEADING FIGURES IN POLITICS AND THEATER 746 00:22:11,264 --> 00:22:13,531 FIGURES IN POLITICS AND THEATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD COME 747 00:22:13,533 --> 00:22:14,965 AND EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD COME TO APPEAR ON THE SUNDAY EVENING 748 00:22:14,967 --> 00:22:16,667 TO APPEAR ON THE SUNDAY EVENING FORUM WHICH WAS OPEN TO THE 749 00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:19,003 FORUM WHICH WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND IT WAS A PANEL 750 00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:20,538 PUBLIC AND IT WAS A PANEL SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE 751 00:22:20,540 --> 00:22:20,938 SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERVIEWED. 752 00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:21,939 INTERVIEWED. >> HERE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF 753 00:22:21,941 --> 00:22:24,275 >> HERE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA IN WHAT IS NOW CALLED 754 00:22:24,277 --> 00:22:24,742 ARIZONA IN WHAT IS NOW CALLED CENTENNIAL HALL. 755 00:22:24,744 --> 00:22:25,276 CENTENNIAL HALL. >> RIGHT. 756 00:22:25,278 --> 00:22:26,143 >> RIGHT. >> ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF CROWD 757 00:22:26,145 --> 00:22:29,046 >> ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF CROWD KENNEDY DREW AT THAT TIME? 758 00:22:29,048 --> 00:22:31,382 KENNEDY DREW AT THAT TIME? >> I'M REALLY NOT SURE. 759 00:22:31,384 --> 00:22:33,718 >> I'M REALLY NOT SURE. BUT THE BEST QUESTION THAT I 760 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,919 BUT THE BEST QUESTION THAT I LEARNED ABOUT WAS SOMEBODY IN 761 00:22:34,921 --> 00:22:37,521 LEARNED ABOUT WAS SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE ASKED HIM, IT'S A 762 00:22:37,523 --> 00:22:39,123 THE AUDIENCE ASKED HIM, IT'S A PANEL SITUATION, DO YOU THINK A 763 00:22:39,125 --> 00:22:41,058 PANEL SITUATION, DO YOU THINK A 42-YEAR-OLD MAN COULD RUN FOR 764 00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:44,261 42-YEAR-OLD MAN COULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT, AND THIS IS IN 1958, 765 00:22:44,263 --> 00:22:45,763 PRESIDENT, AND THIS IS IN 1958, SO JACK REALLY QUICK ON HIS 766 00:22:45,765 --> 00:22:47,565 SO JACK REALLY QUICK ON HIS HEELS, SAID NO, BUT I THINK A 767 00:22:47,567 --> 00:22:48,265 HEELS, SAID NO, BUT I THINK A 43-YEAR-OLD MAN COULD RUN FOR 768 00:22:48,267 --> 00:22:49,567 43-YEAR-OLD MAN COULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT. 769 00:22:49,569 --> 00:22:51,235 PRESIDENT. >> WHICH WOULD BE JUST A COUPLE 770 00:22:51,237 --> 00:22:52,236 >> WHICH WOULD BE JUST A COUPLE YEARS LATER. 771 00:22:52,238 --> 00:22:52,737 YEARS LATER. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 772 00:22:52,739 --> 00:22:54,004 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND HE DID RUN FOR PRESIDENT 773 00:22:54,006 --> 00:22:54,839 >> AND HE DID RUN FOR PRESIDENT A COUPLE YEARS LATER. 774 00:22:54,841 --> 00:22:55,573 A COUPLE YEARS LATER. >> ABSOLUTELY. 775 00:22:55,575 --> 00:22:57,708 >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THEN HIS NEXT TIME THAT WE 776 00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:00,010 >> THEN HIS NEXT TIME THAT WE KNOW OF AT LEAST BASED ON YOUR 777 00:23:00,012 --> 00:23:02,713 KNOW OF AT LEAST BASED ON YOUR RESEARCH THAT HE WAS IN ARIZONA 778 00:23:02,715 --> 00:23:04,315 RESEARCH THAT HE WAS IN ARIZONA WAS JUST BEFORE THAT 1960 779 00:23:04,317 --> 00:23:05,116 WAS JUST BEFORE THAT 1960 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. 780 00:23:05,118 --> 00:23:05,583 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. >> RIGHT. 781 00:23:05,585 --> 00:23:08,853 >> RIGHT. HIS PLANE LANDED IN PHOENIX, 782 00:23:08,855 --> 00:23:10,588 HIS PLANE LANDED IN PHOENIX, PHOENIX AIRPORT, AT 3:00 IN THE 783 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:10,921 PHOENIX AIRPORT, AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING. 784 00:23:10,923 --> 00:23:13,891 MORNING. HE GOT OFF THE PLANE AND THIS IS 785 00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:15,993 HE GOT OFF THE PLANE AND THIS IS NOVEMBER 3rd, AND THERE WAS A 786 00:23:15,995 --> 00:23:17,828 NOVEMBER 3rd, AND THERE WAS A LITTLE TINY CROWD THERE AND HE 787 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:20,264 LITTLE TINY CROWD THERE AND HE MADE -- HE GAVE A FEW WORDS, AND 788 00:23:20,266 --> 00:23:22,767 MADE -- HE GAVE A FEW WORDS, AND THEN GOT BACK ON THE PLANE AND 789 00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:24,001 THEN GOT BACK ON THE PLANE AND TWO DAYS LATER, WE HAD THE 790 00:23:24,003 --> 00:23:25,503 TWO DAYS LATER, WE HAD THE ELECTION AND HE WAS PRESIDENT. 791 00:23:25,505 --> 00:23:27,371 ELECTION AND HE WAS PRESIDENT. SO THIS WAS KIND OF THE LAST 792 00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:28,606 SO THIS WAS KIND OF THE LAST CAMPAIGN STOP THAT HE HAD. 793 00:23:28,608 --> 00:23:32,276 CAMPAIGN STOP THAT HE HAD. >> HE WAS PROBABLY ON HIS WAY TO 794 00:23:32,278 --> 00:23:33,344 >> HE WAS PROBABLY ON HIS WAY TO CALIFORNIA, WHICH HE WON -- NO, 795 00:23:33,346 --> 00:23:35,379 CALIFORNIA, WHICH HE WON -- NO, HE LOST IN THAT ELECTION, AND HE 796 00:23:35,381 --> 00:23:36,614 HE LOST IN THAT ELECTION, AND HE LOST ARIZONA TO RICHARD NIXON IN 797 00:23:36,616 --> 00:23:39,350 LOST ARIZONA TO RICHARD NIXON IN THAT ELECTION AS WELL, ALTHOUGH 798 00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,684 THAT ELECTION AS WELL, ALTHOUGH AT THAT AIRPORT SPEECH, AND I 799 00:23:40,686 --> 00:23:44,989 AT THAT AIRPORT SPEECH, AND I SAW A COPY OF IT, HE SAID THAT 800 00:23:44,991 --> 00:23:47,124 SAW A COPY OF IT, HE SAID THAT BARRY GOLDWATER WAS WRONG, THAT 801 00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:48,692 BARRY GOLDWATER WAS WRONG, THAT HE WOULD -- THAT THE DEMOCRATS 802 00:23:48,694 --> 00:23:51,662 HE WOULD -- THAT THE DEMOCRATS WOULD PREVAIL IN ARIZONA. 803 00:23:51,664 --> 00:23:54,865 WOULD PREVAIL IN ARIZONA. NIXON TOOK ARIZONA 56% TO ABOUT 804 00:23:54,867 --> 00:23:57,468 NIXON TOOK ARIZONA 56% TO ABOUT 44% FOR KENNEDY. 805 00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:58,869 44% FOR KENNEDY. OTHER ARIZONA CONNECTIONS FOR 806 00:23:58,871 --> 00:24:01,038 OTHER ARIZONA CONNECTIONS FOR KENNEDY, ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW 807 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:01,305 KENNEDY, ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW OF? 808 00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:04,175 OF? >> 1961, BACK IN PHOENIX AT THE 809 00:24:04,177 --> 00:24:04,608 >> 1961, BACK IN PHOENIX AT THE WESTWARD -- 810 00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:05,176 WESTWARD -- >> HE'S PRESIDENT NOW. 811 00:24:05,178 --> 00:24:08,612 >> HE'S PRESIDENT NOW. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. 812 00:24:08,614 --> 00:24:10,414 >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. VERY FEW PRESIDENTS ACTUALLY -- 813 00:24:10,416 --> 00:24:12,082 VERY FEW PRESIDENTS ACTUALLY -- WELL, I GUESS MAYBE HALF A DOZEN 814 00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:12,817 WELL, I GUESS MAYBE HALF A DOZEN VISITED ARIZONA WHILE THEY WERE 815 00:24:12,819 --> 00:24:15,820 VISITED ARIZONA WHILE THEY WERE PRESIDENT. 816 00:24:15,822 --> 00:24:17,822 PRESIDENT. BUT SENATOR CARL HAYDEN WAS 817 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:19,523 BUT SENATOR CARL HAYDEN WAS CELEBRATING HIS 50th YEAR IN 818 00:24:19,525 --> 00:24:20,458 CELEBRATING HIS 50th YEAR IN CONGRESS. 819 00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:22,560 CONGRESS. HE WENT TO CONGRESS IN 1912, 820 00:24:22,562 --> 00:24:25,529 HE WENT TO CONGRESS IN 1912, WHEN ARIZONA BECAME A STATE, SO 821 00:24:25,531 --> 00:24:30,734 WHEN ARIZONA BECAME A STATE, SO IN 1961, '62, JACK KENNEDY CAME 822 00:24:30,736 --> 00:24:32,436 IN 1961, '62, JACK KENNEDY CAME TO ARIZONA TO HELP CARL HAYDEN 823 00:24:32,438 --> 00:24:32,803 TO ARIZONA TO HELP CARL HAYDEN CELEBRATE. 824 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:34,171 CELEBRATE. >> THEN CARL HAYDEN WAS A U.S. 825 00:24:34,173 --> 00:24:35,139 >> THEN CARL HAYDEN WAS A U.S. SENATOR, WE HAVE A PICTURE OF 826 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:36,807 SENATOR, WE HAVE A PICTURE OF HIM COMING UP IN A FEW MINUTES, 827 00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:39,543 HIM COMING UP IN A FEW MINUTES, HE WAS A U.S. SENATOR AND AT 828 00:24:39,545 --> 00:24:41,111 HE WAS A U.S. SENATOR AND AT THAT TIME, HE SET THE LONGEVITY 829 00:24:41,113 --> 00:24:42,379 THAT TIME, HE SET THE LONGEVITY RECORD FOR BEING A MEMBER OF 830 00:24:42,381 --> 00:24:42,746 RECORD FOR BEING A MEMBER OF CONGRESS. 831 00:24:42,748 --> 00:24:43,214 CONGRESS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. 832 00:24:43,216 --> 00:24:44,482 >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IT'S SINCE BEEN BROKEN. 833 00:24:44,484 --> 00:24:45,683 >> IT'S SINCE BEEN BROKEN. BUT KENNEDY WAS HERE TO 834 00:24:45,685 --> 00:24:46,984 BUT KENNEDY WAS HERE TO CELEBRATE WITH CARL HAYDEN, WHO 835 00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:48,552 CELEBRATE WITH CARL HAYDEN, WHO WAS A DEMOCRAT, BY THE WAY, 836 00:24:48,554 --> 00:24:48,853 WAS A DEMOCRAT, BY THE WAY, RIGHT? 837 00:24:48,855 --> 00:24:49,753 RIGHT? >> OH, I KNEW THAT. 838 00:24:49,755 --> 00:24:51,522 >> OH, I KNEW THAT. >> NOW, WHAT LED YOU TO DO YOUR 839 00:24:51,524 --> 00:24:53,457 >> NOW, WHAT LED YOU TO DO YOUR RESEARCH IN THIS? 840 00:24:53,459 --> 00:24:54,892 RESEARCH IN THIS? WE JUST HAVE A SHORT TIME 841 00:24:54,894 --> 00:24:55,793 WE JUST HAVE A SHORT TIME REMAINING, LESS THAN A MINUTE. 842 00:24:55,795 --> 00:24:56,327 REMAINING, LESS THAN A MINUTE. >> SURE. 843 00:24:56,329 --> 00:24:58,596 >> SURE. I WAS WORKING AT THE ARIZONA 844 00:24:58,598 --> 00:25:00,030 I WAS WORKING AT THE ARIZONA HISTORICAL SOCIETY, AND RETIRED 845 00:25:00,032 --> 00:25:01,632 HISTORICAL SOCIETY, AND RETIRED FROM THE HISTORIAN POSITION 846 00:25:01,634 --> 00:25:04,134 FROM THE HISTORIAN POSITION THERE, AND A FRIEND OF MINE WHO 847 00:25:04,136 --> 00:25:05,603 THERE, AND A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WAS VOLUNTEERING AT THE MUSEUM 848 00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:08,372 WAS VOLUNTEERING AT THE MUSEUM IN BENSON, ARIZONA, SHOWED ME 849 00:25:08,374 --> 00:25:11,275 IN BENSON, ARIZONA, SHOWED ME THIS PHOTOCOPY OF A NEWSPAPER 850 00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:12,309 THIS PHOTOCOPY OF A NEWSPAPER PICTURE, AND HE SAID CAN YOU 851 00:25:12,311 --> 00:25:13,611 PICTURE, AND HE SAID CAN YOU TELL WHO'S IN THAT PICTURE. 852 00:25:13,613 --> 00:25:15,746 TELL WHO'S IN THAT PICTURE. I WENT OH, MY GOSH, IT'S JFK AS 853 00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:16,680 I WENT OH, MY GOSH, IT'S JFK AS A TEENAGER. 854 00:25:16,682 --> 00:25:18,249 A TEENAGER. >> SO YOU STARTED INTO THAT. 855 00:25:18,251 --> 00:25:19,083 >> SO YOU STARTED INTO THAT. >> YEAH. 856 00:25:19,085 --> 00:25:19,517 >> YEAH. >> EXCELLENT. 857 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,319 >> EXCELLENT. MR. TURNER, JIM TURNER, ARIZONA 858 00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:23,287 MR. TURNER, JIM TURNER, ARIZONA HISTORIAN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR 859 00:25:23,289 --> 00:25:23,888 HISTORIAN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING WITH US TODAY. 860 00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:26,123 SPEAKING WITH US TODAY. >> WELL, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 861 00:25:26,125 --> 00:25:28,325 >> WELL, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. >>> AS A 14-YEAR-OLD FRESHMAN AT 862 00:25:28,327 --> 00:25:29,860 >>> AS A 14-YEAR-OLD FRESHMAN AT A CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL, I WAS AS 863 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:30,594 A CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL, I WAS AS TAKEN WITH KENNEDY'S CHARISMA AS 864 00:25:30,596 --> 00:25:32,830 TAKEN WITH KENNEDY'S CHARISMA AS ANYONE. 865 00:25:32,832 --> 00:25:35,866 ANYONE. MY MEMORY IS OF HEARING THE NEWS 866 00:25:35,868 --> 00:25:40,170 MY MEMORY IS OF HEARING THE NEWS ON MY TRAN SISTOR RADIO WHEN 867 00:25:40,172 --> 00:25:41,372 ON MY TRAN SISTOR RADIO WHEN HOME FROM SCHOOL IN TUCSON. 868 00:25:41,374 --> 00:25:42,640 HOME FROM SCHOOL IN TUCSON. I IMMEDIATELY CALLED MY DAD AND 869 00:25:42,642 --> 00:25:44,275 I IMMEDIATELY CALLED MY DAD AND TRIED TO REACH MY MOM, THEN 870 00:25:44,277 --> 00:25:45,075 TRIED TO REACH MY MOM, THEN REMAINED GLUED TO THE RADIO FOR 871 00:25:45,077 --> 00:25:47,244 REMAINED GLUED TO THE RADIO FOR THE REST OF THE DAY. 872 00:25:47,246 --> 00:25:48,412 THE REST OF THE DAY. KENNEDY'S LIFE AND DEATH MADE 873 00:25:48,414 --> 00:25:51,081 KENNEDY'S LIFE AND DEATH MADE THEIR MARKS ON OUR NATION AND ON 874 00:25:51,083 --> 00:25:53,350 THEIR MARKS ON OUR NATION AND ON EACH OF US AS INDIVIDUAL 875 00:25:53,352 --> 00:25:53,717 EACH OF US AS INDIVIDUAL AMERICANS. 876 00:25:53,719 --> 00:25:55,352 AMERICANS. FOR ME, HE WAS AN ADULT WITH 877 00:25:55,354 --> 00:25:57,688 FOR ME, HE WAS AN ADULT WITH WHOM I COULD IDENTIFY, BECAUSE 878 00:25:57,690 --> 00:26:00,257 WHOM I COULD IDENTIFY, BECAUSE HE WAS YOUTHFUL AND CLEAR IN 879 00:26:00,259 --> 00:26:02,393 HE WAS YOUTHFUL AND CLEAR IN ENUNCIATING HIS VIEW OF WHAT THE 880 00:26:02,395 --> 00:26:03,294 ENUNCIATING HIS VIEW OF WHAT THE WORLD SHOULD BE LIKE. 881 00:26:03,296 --> 00:26:05,596 WORLD SHOULD BE LIKE. FOR AN IDEALISTIC TEENAGER, THAT 882 00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:07,731 FOR AN IDEALISTIC TEENAGER, THAT WAS CAPTIVATING AND THE SUDDEN 883 00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:09,600 WAS CAPTIVATING AND THE SUDDEN LOSS LEFT A VOID NOT FILLED IN 884 00:26:09,602 --> 00:26:15,439 LOSS LEFT A VOID NOT FILLED IN THAT TIME BY ANY OTHER LEADER. 885 00:26:15,441 --> 00:26:16,440 THAT TIME BY ANY OTHER LEADER. WE'LL END THIS EVENING WITH A 886 00:26:16,442 --> 00:26:18,509 WE'LL END THIS EVENING WITH A MONTAGE OF PHOTOS MARKING JFK'S 887 00:26:18,511 --> 00:26:20,044 MONTAGE OF PHOTOS MARKING JFK'S CONNECTION TO ARIZONA STARTING 888 00:26:20,046 --> 00:26:22,046 CONNECTION TO ARIZONA STARTING WITH THIS 1961 IMAGE FROM THE 889 00:26:22,048 --> 00:26:24,815 WITH THIS 1961 IMAGE FROM THE TUCSON CITIZEN OF THE PRESIDENT 890 00:26:24,817 --> 00:26:27,251 TUCSON CITIZEN OF THE PRESIDENT AT A NEWS CONFERENCE IN TUCSON. 891 00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:28,352 AT A NEWS CONFERENCE IN TUCSON. KENNEDY VISITED ARIZONA MORE 892 00:26:28,354 --> 00:26:31,855 KENNEDY VISITED ARIZONA MORE THAN WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN AWARE, 893 00:26:31,857 --> 00:26:33,390 THAN WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN AWARE, INCLUDING AS HISTORIAN JIM 894 00:26:33,392 --> 00:26:35,192 INCLUDING AS HISTORIAN JIM TURNER MENTIONED, TIME AS A 895 00:26:35,194 --> 00:26:36,493 TURNER MENTIONED, TIME AS A TEENAGER ON A RANCH NEAR BENSON. 896 00:26:36,495 --> 00:26:39,964 TEENAGER ON A RANCH NEAR BENSON. HERE HE IS WITH COWBOY PETE 897 00:26:39,966 --> 00:26:41,098 HERE HE IS WITH COWBOY PETE HAVERTY IN A PHOTO DATED 1936 898 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:44,501 HAVERTY IN A PHOTO DATED 1936 FROM THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC. 899 00:26:44,503 --> 00:26:45,603 FROM THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC. SOUTHERN ARIZONA CONGRESSMAN 900 00:26:45,605 --> 00:26:47,004 SOUTHERN ARIZONA CONGRESSMAN STUART UDALL BECAME KENNEDY'S 901 00:26:47,006 --> 00:26:50,074 STUART UDALL BECAME KENNEDY'S SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR AND 902 00:26:50,076 --> 00:26:51,842 SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR AND MORRIS UDALL, SHOWN WITH KENNEDY 903 00:26:51,844 --> 00:26:54,144 MORRIS UDALL, SHOWN WITH KENNEDY IN THIS PHOTO FROM THE UDALL 904 00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:56,680 IN THIS PHOTO FROM THE UDALL ARCHIVES AT THE U OF A SUCCEEDED 905 00:26:56,682 --> 00:26:58,215 ARCHIVES AT THE U OF A SUCCEEDED HIS BROTHER IN CONGRESS. 906 00:26:58,217 --> 00:27:00,517 HIS BROTHER IN CONGRESS. FINALLY, THIS IMAGE ALSO FROM 907 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,253 FINALLY, THIS IMAGE ALSO FROM THE U OF A UDALL ARCHIVES SHOW 908 00:27:03,255 --> 00:27:05,222 THE U OF A UDALL ARCHIVES SHOW ARIZONA POLITICAL LEADERS DURING 909 00:27:05,224 --> 00:27:07,625 ARIZONA POLITICAL LEADERS DURING KENNEDY'S PRESIDENCY FROM LEFT, 910 00:27:07,627 --> 00:27:08,492 KENNEDY'S PRESIDENCY FROM LEFT, CONGRESSMAN JOHN RHODES, SENATOR 911 00:27:08,494 --> 00:27:12,730 CONGRESSMAN JOHN RHODES, SENATOR BARRY GOLDWATER, GOVERNOR PAUL 912 00:27:12,732 --> 00:27:14,131 BARRY GOLDWATER, GOVERNOR PAUL FANNON, CONGRESSMAN MORRIS 913 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:17,234 FANNON, CONGRESSMAN MORRIS UDALL, SENATOR CARL HAYDEN, AND 914 00:27:17,236 --> 00:27:19,136 UDALL, SENATOR CARL HAYDEN, AND INTERIOR SECRETARY STUART UDALL. 915 00:27:19,138 --> 00:27:20,371 INTERIOR SECRETARY STUART UDALL. THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR FRIDAY, 916 00:27:20,373 --> 00:27:23,040 THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 22nd, 2013. 917 00:27:23,042 --> 00:27:25,776 NOVEMBER 22nd, 2013. NEXT FRIDAY, A LOOK AT ARIZONA'S 918 00:27:25,778 --> 00:27:28,112 NEXT FRIDAY, A LOOK AT ARIZONA'S BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS WITH 919 00:27:28,114 --> 00:27:28,445 BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS WITH MEXICO. 920 00:27:28,447 --> 00:27:29,179 MEXICO. FOR "ARIZONA WEEK" I'M MICHAEL 921 00:27:29,181 --> 00:27:31,215 FOR "ARIZONA WEEK" I'M MICHAEL CHIHAK. 922 00:27:31,217 --> 00:27:32,216 CHIHAK. >> PRODUCTION OF "ARIZONA WEEK" 923 00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:33,917 >> PRODUCTION OF "ARIZONA WEEK" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PARTS BY A 924 00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:35,586 IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PARTS BY A GRANT FROM THE STONEWALL 925 00:27:35,588 --> 00:27:37,154 GRANT FROM THE STONEWALL FOUNDATION AND BY THE MEMBERS OF 926 00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:37,821 FOUNDATION AND BY THE MEMBERS OF ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. 927 00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:38,522 ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED 928 00:27:38,524 --> 00:27:40,357 THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT.