1 00:00:05,672 --> 00:00:08,840 >> YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY. 2 00:00:08,843 --> 00:00:10,641 A DISCUSSION IN TUCSON. 3 00:00:10,644 --> 00:00:15,413 >> WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT 4 00:00:15,416 --> 00:00:16,581 SEEMS TO BE ALMOST COMPLETELY 5 00:00:16,584 --> 00:00:17,015 UNRESTRAINED BY LAW OR THE 6 00:00:17,018 --> 00:00:18,116 CONSTITUTION. 7 00:00:18,119 --> 00:00:19,851 >> STAYING AHEAD OF THE GAME 8 00:00:19,854 --> 00:00:21,552 WHEN IT COMES TO CYBER CRIME. 9 00:00:21,555 --> 00:00:23,588 >> INTHE STALLING CERTAIN PIECES 10 00:00:23,591 --> 00:00:25,023 OF SOFTWARE ON YOUR PHONE BUT 11 00:00:25,026 --> 00:00:25,890 THEY ARE REALLY MONITORING AND 12 00:00:25,893 --> 00:00:27,525 COLLECTING DATA. 13 00:00:27,528 --> 00:00:27,825 A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE 14 00:00:27,828 --> 00:00:30,094 THAT. 15 00:00:30,097 --> 00:00:31,763 >> COVERING THE STATE CAPITOL A 16 00:00:31,766 --> 00:00:35,299 CHALLENGE FOR JOURNALISTS, THIS 17 00:00:40,507 --> 00:00:42,740 >>> HELLO AND THANKS FOR JOINING 18 00:00:42,743 --> 00:00:45,009 US. 19 00:00:45,012 --> 00:00:47,011 A UNIQUE FORUM AT THE UNIVERSITY 20 00:00:47,014 --> 00:00:49,280 OF ARIZONA, THE COLLEGE OF 21 00:00:49,283 --> 00:00:50,415 SOCIAL AND BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES 22 00:00:50,418 --> 00:00:52,517 HOSTED A CONVERSATION ON 23 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,721 PRIVACY, THE FEATURED GUEST, AN 24 00:00:56,724 --> 00:00:58,790 AMERICAN CHARGED WITH ESPIONAGE 25 00:00:58,793 --> 00:01:00,324 LIVING IN RUSSIA. 26 00:01:00,327 --> 00:01:02,093 A RARE PANEL DISCUSSION AT 27 00:01:02,096 --> 00:01:02,794 CENTENNIAL HALL ON THE U OF A 28 00:01:02,797 --> 00:01:05,196 CAM PUGS. 29 00:01:05,199 --> 00:01:06,097 ON STAGE FROM RUSSIA, EDWARD 30 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:09,734 SNOWED BE. 31 00:01:09,737 --> 00:01:10,435 THE FORMER CONTRACTOR FOR THE 32 00:01:10,438 --> 00:01:11,202 NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY WHO 33 00:01:11,205 --> 00:01:14,238 LEAKED TOP SECRET INFORMATION 34 00:01:14,241 --> 00:01:15,573 AND WAS CHARGED WITH ESPIONAGE. 35 00:01:15,576 --> 00:01:18,976 DPLEN GREENWALD THE JOURNALIST 36 00:01:18,979 --> 00:01:20,812 WHO PUBLISHED THE INFORMATION 37 00:01:20,815 --> 00:01:24,349 AND SNOWDEN REFLECTED ON HIS 38 00:01:24,352 --> 00:01:29,020 TIME AS A CONTRACTOR. 39 00:01:29,023 --> 00:01:35,660 >> AWARENESS OF WHAT THE 40 00:01:35,663 --> 00:01:37,261 GOVERNMENT -- I SAW THE PUBLIC 41 00:01:37,264 --> 00:01:38,763 OF GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WERE 42 00:01:38,766 --> 00:01:39,797 DIFFERENT FROM THE REALITY OF 43 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,935 WHAT WAS HAPPENING. 44 00:01:43,938 --> 00:01:45,370 IN FACT, WE WERE OPERATING IN A 45 00:01:45,373 --> 00:01:45,870 WAY THAT MANY ARGUED WAS 46 00:01:45,873 --> 00:01:47,071 UNCONSTITUTIONAL. 47 00:01:47,074 --> 00:01:49,073 THE COURTS HAVE SINCE CONFIRMED 48 00:01:49,076 --> 00:01:51,442 THAT DECLARING THESE PROGRAMS 49 00:01:51,445 --> 00:01:52,777 LIKELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND EVEN 50 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:53,678 CALLING THEM OR WELLIAN. 51 00:01:53,681 --> 00:01:55,346 >> HE HAS BEEN CALLED EVERYTHING 52 00:01:55,349 --> 00:01:57,382 FROM A HERO TO A TRAITOR. 53 00:01:57,385 --> 00:02:01,219 >> WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT 54 00:02:01,222 --> 00:02:04,689 SEEMS TO BE ALMOST COMPLETELY 55 00:02:04,692 --> 00:02:05,156 UNRESTRAINED BY LAW, OR THE 56 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:06,124 CONSTITUTION. 57 00:02:06,127 --> 00:02:09,327 WE HAD FORMER GOVERNMENT 58 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:13,464 OFFICIALS SAY THINGS LIKE WE DO 59 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:13,898 IT ILLEGAL, THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL 60 00:02:13,901 --> 00:02:16,834 TAKES LONGER. 61 00:02:16,837 --> 00:02:17,235 >> A CONVERSATION ON PRIVACY AND 62 00:02:17,238 --> 00:02:20,104 INFORMATION. 63 00:02:20,107 --> 00:02:21,773 >> I WAS WORKING IN THE LAB 64 00:02:21,776 --> 00:02:24,475 WHERE THE EARLY STAGES OF THE 65 00:02:24,478 --> 00:02:27,545 INTERNET WERE DEVELOPED, 66 00:02:27,548 --> 00:02:32,016 PENTAGON FUNDED LABORATORY AT 67 00:02:32,019 --> 00:02:37,088 M.I.T., AFTER THE LONG PERIOD OF 68 00:02:37,091 --> 00:02:39,691 RISKY CREATIVE WORK AT TAXPAYER 69 00:02:39,694 --> 00:02:43,027 EXPENSE, THE INTERNET WAS HANDED 70 00:02:43,030 --> 00:02:45,263 OVER TO PRIVATE ENTERPRISE FOR 71 00:02:45,266 --> 00:02:46,664 MARKETING AND PROFIT MAKING. 72 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:48,833 >> THE PROFESSOR AT THE 73 00:02:48,836 --> 00:02:50,335 MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF 74 00:02:50,338 --> 00:02:52,537 TECHNOLOGY ARGUES SURVEILLANCE 75 00:02:52,540 --> 00:02:52,904 IS NOT EFFECTIVE AT STOPPING 76 00:02:52,907 --> 00:02:55,340 TERRORISM. 77 00:02:55,343 --> 00:02:59,177 >> INTERNET WAS INTENDED BY THE 78 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:04,182 EARLY DESIGNERS TO BE A FREE, 79 00:03:04,185 --> 00:03:05,783 OPEN MEANS OF COMMUNICATION 80 00:03:05,786 --> 00:03:08,252 WHICH WOULD BE ORIGINALLY IT WAS 81 00:03:08,255 --> 00:03:09,987 INTENDED ACTUALLY FOR SCIENTISTS 82 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:12,323 TO INTERCHANGE REALLY, BUT THEN 83 00:03:12,326 --> 00:03:12,657 MORE BROADLY FOR THE GENERAL 84 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:16,327 PUBLIC. 85 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:17,195 >> GREENWALD, A FORMER LAWYER 86 00:03:17,198 --> 00:03:17,562 STANDS BY PUBLISHING THE 87 00:03:17,565 --> 00:03:18,963 DOCUMENTS. 88 00:03:18,966 --> 00:03:21,833 >> EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE IN THIS 89 00:03:21,836 --> 00:03:23,234 MATTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE I TRY 90 00:03:23,237 --> 00:03:25,036 AND DO IN MY JOURNALISM IS ABOUT 91 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:26,904 TRYING TO MAKE THINGS MORE 92 00:03:26,907 --> 00:03:28,072 DIFFICULT FOR THOSE WHO WE WOULD 93 00:03:28,075 --> 00:03:30,808 THE GREATEST POWER. 94 00:03:30,811 --> 00:03:33,211 >> IT'S UNKNOWN IF SNOWDEN WILL 95 00:03:33,214 --> 00:03:35,213 STEP FOOT ON U.S. SOIL AGAIN HE 96 00:03:35,216 --> 00:03:37,782 HAS NO REGRETS. 97 00:03:37,785 --> 00:03:43,621 >> HOW DO WE REACH THE POINT 98 00:03:43,624 --> 00:03:47,492 WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL -- BECAUSE 99 00:03:47,495 --> 00:03:49,727 OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT THE 100 00:03:49,730 --> 00:03:51,863 INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN TO BE THE 101 00:03:51,866 --> 00:03:53,831 LAST SAFEGUARD. 102 00:03:53,834 --> 00:03:54,966 >> MORE NOW FROM GLENN 103 00:03:54,969 --> 00:03:56,601 GREENWALD, A FORMER LAWYER 104 00:03:56,604 --> 00:03:58,236 WORKING FOR THE GUARDIAN AT THE 105 00:03:58,239 --> 00:04:01,305 TIME HE PUBLISHED THOUSANDS OF 106 00:04:01,308 --> 00:04:01,572 TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS FROM THE 107 00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:03,875 NSA. 108 00:04:03,878 --> 00:04:05,309 >> OVERWHELMINGLY I FEEL 109 00:04:05,312 --> 00:04:08,513 EXTREMELY POSITIVE ABOUT IT. 110 00:04:08,516 --> 00:04:11,516 THERE HAVE BEEN COSTS AND RISKS 111 00:04:11,519 --> 00:04:12,784 AND PRESSURES AND VARIOUS FORMS 112 00:04:12,787 --> 00:04:15,186 OF ATTACK AND THE LIKE I WOULD 113 00:04:15,189 --> 00:04:17,789 PUT IN THE NEGATIVE COLUMN BUT 114 00:04:17,792 --> 00:04:19,290 IF YOU GO INTO JOURNALISM AS I 115 00:04:19,293 --> 00:04:21,926 DID 10 YEARS AGO YOU DO SO IN 116 00:04:21,929 --> 00:04:25,029 ORDER TO HAVE A STORY LIKE THIS, 117 00:04:25,032 --> 00:04:26,898 ONE THAT TRIGGERS A GLOBAL 118 00:04:26,901 --> 00:04:28,866 DEBATE AND DOZENS OF COUNTRIES 119 00:04:28,869 --> 00:04:31,302 ON MULTIPLE CONTINENTS ABOUT A 120 00:04:31,305 --> 00:04:32,804 VARIETY OF ISSUES INCLUDING THE 121 00:04:32,807 --> 00:04:34,906 VALUE OF PRIVACY IN THE DIGITAL 122 00:04:34,909 --> 00:04:37,208 AGE AND THE DANGERS OF 123 00:04:37,211 --> 00:04:39,277 GOVERNMENT SECRECY AND THE ROLE 124 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:41,713 OF JOURNALISM IN DEMOCRACY, IT 125 00:04:41,716 --> 00:04:43,181 HAS LED TO REFORMS OF MULTIPLE 126 00:04:43,184 --> 00:04:44,449 KIND, SHIFTED THE LANDSCAPE IN 127 00:04:44,452 --> 00:04:46,317 TERMS OF THE GOVERNMENT'S 128 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,821 ABILITY TO SPY ON PEOPLE OVER 129 00:04:49,824 --> 00:04:51,322 THE INTERNET, AND SO I FEEL 130 00:04:51,325 --> 00:04:52,990 EXTREMELY POSITIVE ABOUT THE 131 00:04:52,993 --> 00:04:54,225 CHOICES THAT I MADE AND THE 132 00:04:54,228 --> 00:04:55,026 JOURNALISM I HAVE DONE AND THE 133 00:04:55,029 --> 00:04:57,462 EFFECT IT HAD. 134 00:04:57,465 --> 00:04:57,996 >> DO YOU HAVE REGRETS HOW THIS 135 00:04:57,999 --> 00:04:58,563 TURNED OUT? 136 00:04:58,566 --> 00:05:02,367 >> NO. 137 00:05:02,370 --> 00:05:05,670 IN FACT, IF YOU -- IT'S FUNNY 138 00:05:05,673 --> 00:05:07,271 WHEN MY REPORTING PARTNER, WHO 139 00:05:07,274 --> 00:05:09,841 FILMED A LOT OF WHAT TOOK PLACE 140 00:05:09,844 --> 00:05:11,676 IN HONG KONG FOR THE FILM 141 00:05:11,679 --> 00:05:13,077 CITIZEN 4, I WATCHED THE RAW 142 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,846 FOOTAGE BEFORE SHE WAS DONE 143 00:05:14,849 --> 00:05:16,547 EDITING THE FILM IT REMINDED ME 144 00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:18,316 WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, 145 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:20,651 SNOWDEN AND I, IN HONG KONG 146 00:05:20,654 --> 00:05:22,387 ABOUT WHAT WE HOPED TO GENERATE 147 00:05:22,390 --> 00:05:24,555 THE KIND OF DEBATE WE HOPED TO 148 00:05:24,558 --> 00:05:27,258 TRIGGER WITH THE REPORTING. 149 00:05:27,261 --> 00:05:29,994 AND HIS BIG CONCERN AT THE TIME 150 00:05:29,997 --> 00:05:32,764 WAS THAT WE WOULD REVEAL THIS, 151 00:05:32,767 --> 00:05:34,198 HE WOULD UNRAVEL HIS LIFE AND 152 00:05:34,201 --> 00:05:36,901 THE WORLD WOULD SHRUG AND IT 153 00:05:36,904 --> 00:05:38,703 WOULD BE A ONE OR TWO-DAY STORY 154 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:40,338 AND I DON'T CARE AND MOVE ON. 155 00:05:40,341 --> 00:05:43,074 AND THE FACT THAT THERE HAS BEEN 156 00:05:43,077 --> 00:05:45,376 THIS YOU KNOW, TIDAL WAVE OF 157 00:05:45,379 --> 00:05:47,779 INTEREST AROUND THE WORLD AND 158 00:05:47,782 --> 00:05:51,749 ALL KINDS OF FALLOUT THAT TO 159 00:05:51,752 --> 00:05:53,885 THIS DAY CONTINUES TO UNFOLD, 160 00:05:53,888 --> 00:05:54,719 HAS BEEN REALLY GRATIFYING. 161 00:05:54,722 --> 00:05:55,987 OF COURSE THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL 162 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:58,222 DECISIONS I MIGHT DO DIFFERENTLY 163 00:05:58,225 --> 00:06:00,091 IF I HAD THEM TO DO OVER AGAIN 164 00:06:00,094 --> 00:06:01,859 AS TO WHICH DOCUMENTS RELEASED 165 00:06:01,862 --> 00:06:02,460 OR WHICH ORDER OR HOW THEY WERE 166 00:06:02,463 --> 00:06:04,529 TALKED ABOUT. 167 00:06:04,532 --> 00:06:06,264 SMALL DECISIONS I COULD 168 00:06:06,267 --> 00:06:09,701 RE-EVALUATE BUT OVERALL I'M 169 00:06:09,704 --> 00:06:10,401 REALLY -- I FEEL ABOUT TWA WE 170 00:06:10,404 --> 00:06:11,969 DID THE JOURNALISM. 171 00:06:11,972 --> 00:06:14,138 >> WHAT DID YOU WANT THE PUBLIC 172 00:06:14,141 --> 00:06:16,641 TO GAIN, TO KNOW ABOUT THE NSA? 173 00:06:16,644 --> 00:06:17,909 >> MORE THAN ANYTHING, I 174 00:06:17,912 --> 00:06:19,811 REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I READ 175 00:06:19,814 --> 00:06:22,814 THROUGH THE HUGE ARCHIVE THAT 176 00:06:22,817 --> 00:06:30,088 SNOWDEN PROVIDED US, WHAT STRUCK 177 00:06:30,091 --> 00:06:31,622 ME WAS NOT THE SUBVERSION OF 178 00:06:31,625 --> 00:06:33,524 DEMOCRACY THOUGH THAT WAS QUITE 179 00:06:33,527 --> 00:06:35,693 SEVERE AND VERY SIGNIFICANT. 180 00:06:35,696 --> 00:06:37,328 INSTEAD IT WAS THE SUBVERSION OF 181 00:06:37,331 --> 00:06:39,897 DEMOCRACY THAT THEY REVEALED BY 182 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:41,532 WHICH I MEAN THAT THESE 183 00:06:41,535 --> 00:06:42,567 INCREDIBLY CONSEQUENTIAL 184 00:06:42,570 --> 00:06:43,968 DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT THE 185 00:06:43,971 --> 00:06:45,003 INTERNET WOULD BE AND THE EXTENT 186 00:06:45,006 --> 00:06:46,771 TO WHICH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT 187 00:06:46,774 --> 00:06:48,272 WOULD SPY ON IT AND THE WAY IN 188 00:06:48,275 --> 00:06:50,375 WHICH IT WOULD COMPROMISE 189 00:06:50,378 --> 00:06:53,578 PEOPLE'S PRIVACY, WAS DONE 190 00:06:53,581 --> 00:06:55,113 COMPLETELY IN THE DARK WITH NO 191 00:06:55,116 --> 00:06:57,348 PUBLIC DEBATE AND NO ROLE OF ANY 192 00:06:57,351 --> 00:06:58,516 KIND ON THE PART OF THE 193 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:00,852 CITIZENRY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT 194 00:07:00,855 --> 00:07:04,822 DECISION MAKING PROCESS WHICH TO 195 00:07:04,825 --> 00:07:06,691 ME SEEMED TO BE THE ANTITHESIS. 196 00:07:06,694 --> 00:07:07,859 I FELT IT WAS MY ROLE NOT TO 197 00:07:07,862 --> 00:07:09,594 DICTATE TO PEOPLE HOW THEY 198 00:07:09,597 --> 00:07:11,763 SHOULD THINK ABOUT THESE DEBATES 199 00:07:11,766 --> 00:07:14,132 OR TO TRY AND FORCE OUTCOMES 200 00:07:14,135 --> 00:07:15,466 THAT WERE IN LINE WITH MY 201 00:07:15,469 --> 00:07:16,634 PREFERENCES, BUT INSTEAD TO 202 00:07:16,637 --> 00:07:18,036 SHINE A LIGHT ON WHAT THE 203 00:07:18,039 --> 00:07:20,938 GOVERNMENT HAD DONE IN THE DARK 204 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:22,240 SO THAT PEOPLE COULD BE INFORMED 205 00:07:22,243 --> 00:07:23,274 ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS 206 00:07:23,277 --> 00:07:24,542 DOING, THEY COULD BECOME AWARE 207 00:07:24,545 --> 00:07:26,678 OF WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS 208 00:07:26,681 --> 00:07:28,546 TRYING TO HIDE, SO THAT A 209 00:07:28,549 --> 00:07:28,946 REASONED INFORMED DEBATE COULD 210 00:07:28,949 --> 00:07:30,348 TAKE PLACE. 211 00:07:30,351 --> 00:07:33,384 >> GIVEN OUR STATE OF TECHNOLOGY 212 00:07:33,387 --> 00:07:34,619 AND THE INTERNET, ARE WE SAFE, 213 00:07:34,622 --> 00:07:34,986 TO DO WE HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY 214 00:07:34,989 --> 00:07:36,521 ANY MORE? 215 00:07:36,524 --> 00:07:37,689 >> YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PRIVACY 216 00:07:37,692 --> 00:07:39,524 FOR CERTAIN. 217 00:07:39,527 --> 00:07:39,824 THE CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES 218 00:07:39,827 --> 00:07:41,159 THAT. 219 00:07:41,162 --> 00:07:43,795 COURTS THAT HAVE EVALUATE WHAT 220 00:07:43,798 --> 00:07:45,997 HAD THE NSA IS DOING IN LIGHT OF 221 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,298 THESE REVELATIONS HAVE CONCLUDED 222 00:07:47,301 --> 00:07:49,801 REPEATEDLY THAT IT VIOLATES THE 223 00:07:49,804 --> 00:07:51,602 LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION BASED 224 00:07:51,605 --> 00:07:53,604 ON PRIVACY RIGHTS OF THE FOURTH 225 00:07:53,607 --> 00:07:55,740 AMENDMENT AND OTHER COMPONENTS 226 00:07:55,743 --> 00:07:56,974 OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS GUARANTEE. 227 00:07:56,977 --> 00:07:58,409 THE QUESTION BECOMES DO YOU 228 00:07:58,412 --> 00:08:00,244 REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO 229 00:08:00,247 --> 00:08:01,045 MAINTAIN PRIVACY ON THE 230 00:08:01,048 --> 00:08:02,380 INTERNET? 231 00:08:02,383 --> 00:08:03,648 PRIOR TO THIS SNOWDEN REPORTING 232 00:08:03,651 --> 00:08:06,351 THE ANSWER WAS DEFINITELY NOT. 233 00:08:06,354 --> 00:08:08,853 THE NSA AND ITS PARTNERS IN THE 234 00:08:08,856 --> 00:08:10,154 UK, CANADA AND NEW ZEALAND AND 235 00:08:10,157 --> 00:08:12,957 AUSTRALIA DEVISED A SYSTEM THAT 236 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,792 WAS THE ESSENTIALLY UBIQUITOUS. 237 00:08:14,795 --> 00:08:16,627 BECAUSE THEY DID IT IN SECRET 238 00:08:16,630 --> 00:08:18,830 THERE WERE NO DEFENSES SO EVERY 239 00:08:18,833 --> 00:08:20,064 E-MAIL YOU SENT, EVERY CHAT, 240 00:08:20,067 --> 00:08:22,033 EVERY SEARCH YOU DID ON THE 241 00:08:22,036 --> 00:08:23,234 INTERNET WAS SUSCEPTIBLE TO 242 00:08:23,237 --> 00:08:26,904 BEING COLLECTED AND STORED AND 243 00:08:26,907 --> 00:08:27,271 IF THE NSA WANTED, MONITORED AND 244 00:08:27,274 --> 00:08:28,439 ANALYZED. 245 00:08:28,442 --> 00:08:29,741 MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT'S WHAT 246 00:08:29,744 --> 00:08:31,542 HAS CHANGED IN THE WAKE OF THE 247 00:08:31,545 --> 00:08:33,077 REPORTING IS THAT NOW BECAUSE 248 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,545 PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT TO 249 00:08:34,548 --> 00:08:36,047 WHICH PRIVACY HAS BEEN 250 00:08:36,050 --> 00:08:38,049 COMPROMISE THEY HAD CAN AND DO 251 00:08:38,052 --> 00:08:40,618 USE THEIR OWN ENCRYPTION THAT 252 00:08:40,621 --> 00:08:43,354 BUILDS A MATHEMATICAL 253 00:08:43,357 --> 00:08:45,123 IMPENETRABLE WALL AROUND THEIR 254 00:08:45,126 --> 00:08:47,658 COMMUNICATIONS ON THE INTERNET. 255 00:08:47,661 --> 00:08:49,293 MORE SIGNIFICANT, COMPANIES LIKE 256 00:08:49,296 --> 00:08:50,962 APPLE AND GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK 257 00:08:50,965 --> 00:08:51,896 ARE FEELING A HUGE AMOUNT OF 258 00:08:51,899 --> 00:08:52,997 PRESSURE TO DEMONSTRATE 259 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,667 COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING THE 260 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:56,968 PRIVACY OF THEIR USERS AS 261 00:08:56,971 --> 00:08:58,202 OPPOSED TO COOPERATING WITH THE 262 00:08:58,205 --> 00:08:59,971 NSA AND YOU SEE THAT IN THE 263 00:08:59,974 --> 00:09:02,707 FIGHT BETWEEN THE FBI AND APPLE 264 00:09:02,710 --> 00:09:04,108 OVER APPLE'S EMBEDDING OF 265 00:09:04,111 --> 00:09:06,911 ENCRYPTION PRODUCTS IN iPHONES 266 00:09:06,914 --> 00:09:09,147 AND THAT REALLY IS A BYPRODUCT 267 00:09:09,150 --> 00:09:11,049 OF THIS INCREASED DEMAND ON THE 268 00:09:11,052 --> 00:09:12,116 PART OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT 269 00:09:12,119 --> 00:09:15,153 PRIVACY BE PROTECTED AND THAT'S 270 00:09:15,156 --> 00:09:17,188 THE BATTLE NOW IS CAN 271 00:09:17,191 --> 00:09:18,322 TECHNOLOGIES BE DEVELOPED FAST 272 00:09:18,325 --> 00:09:20,658 ENOUGH THAT ALLOWS YOU PRIVACY 273 00:09:20,661 --> 00:09:21,826 ON THE INTERNET, WHILE THE 274 00:09:21,829 --> 00:09:22,894 GOVERNMENT NOT JUST THE U.S. 275 00:09:22,897 --> 00:09:24,896 GOVERNMENT BUT AROUND THE WORLD 276 00:09:24,899 --> 00:09:25,797 ARE SPENDING BILLIONS TRYING TO 277 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,097 FIGURE OUT HOW TO CRACK THROUGH 278 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:28,266 THAT. 279 00:09:28,269 --> 00:09:32,403 >> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO CALLED 280 00:09:32,406 --> 00:09:33,137 YOU AND SNOWDEN A TRAITOR, 281 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:34,072 BETRAYING YOUR GOVERNMENT, EVERY 282 00:09:34,075 --> 00:09:34,806 NAME IN THE BOOK. 283 00:09:34,809 --> 00:09:35,340 DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE 284 00:09:35,343 --> 00:09:36,174 YOU DID THIS? 285 00:09:36,177 --> 00:09:39,877 >> SURE. 286 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,612 MY CHILDHOOD HERO WAS DANIEL 287 00:09:41,615 --> 00:09:43,047 ALSBERG I HAVE NOW HAD THE 288 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:44,449 OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW 289 00:09:44,452 --> 00:09:45,983 REALLY WELL AND BECOME FRIENDS 290 00:09:45,986 --> 00:09:49,320 WITH AND COLLEAGUES WITH ON AN 291 00:09:49,323 --> 00:09:50,922 ORGANIZATION WE FOUNDED TO 292 00:09:50,925 --> 00:09:52,423 DEFEND THE FREE PRESS. 293 00:09:52,426 --> 00:09:55,360 I KNOW FROM READING HISTORY 294 00:09:55,363 --> 00:09:57,695 BOOKS THAT WHEN DANIEL ELLSBERG 295 00:09:57,698 --> 00:09:58,596 LEAKED THE PENTAGON PAPERS TENS 296 00:09:58,599 --> 00:10:00,398 OF THOUSANDS OF TOP SECRET 297 00:10:00,401 --> 00:10:01,599 DOCUMENTS SHOWING THAT THE U.S. 298 00:10:01,602 --> 00:10:03,134 GOVERNMENT WAS LYING TO THE 299 00:10:03,137 --> 00:10:06,170 AMERICAN POPULATION ABOUT THE 300 00:10:06,173 --> 00:10:08,072 VIETNAM WAR, THAT HE WAS CALLED 301 00:10:08,075 --> 00:10:10,041 A TRAIT E GUILTY OF TREASON, 302 00:10:10,044 --> 00:10:10,341 BEING AN AGENT OF THE SOVIET 303 00:10:10,344 --> 00:10:12,777 UNION. 304 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:15,213 HE WAS INDICTED AND CHARGED AND 305 00:10:15,216 --> 00:10:18,850 TRIED BUT ULTIMATELY ACQUITTED 306 00:10:18,853 --> 00:10:21,686 AND 30, 40 YEARS LATER VIRTUALLY 307 00:10:21,689 --> 00:10:24,822 EVERYBODY VIEWS HIM AS A HERO. 308 00:10:24,825 --> 00:10:27,425 SOMEBODY WHO ENGAGED IN NOBLE 309 00:10:27,428 --> 00:10:27,792 BEHAVIOR TO INFORM PEOPLE ON THE 310 00:10:27,795 --> 00:10:29,827 DEMOCRACY. 311 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:31,062 >> AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA 312 00:10:31,065 --> 00:10:32,463 IN THE ELLER COLLEGE OF 313 00:10:32,466 --> 00:10:34,432 MANAGEMENT THERE IS AN 314 00:10:34,435 --> 00:10:37,735 ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE LAB, I'M 315 00:10:37,738 --> 00:10:40,071 JOINED BY THE DIRECTOR DR. 316 00:10:40,074 --> 00:10:41,606 HSINCHUN CHEN AND SAGAR SAMTANI. 317 00:10:41,609 --> 00:10:43,775 FIRST LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS 318 00:10:43,778 --> 00:10:44,075 ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE LAB, DR. 319 00:10:44,078 --> 00:10:47,412 CHEN. 320 00:10:47,415 --> 00:10:58,456 HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS? 321 00:10:58,459 --> 00:10:59,057 >> MY ADVISER, HE CAME FROM THE 322 00:10:59,060 --> 00:11:03,328 CARNEGIE LAB, DR. HERBERT SIMON. 323 00:11:03,331 --> 00:11:06,364 CARNEGIE LAB, DR. HERBERT SIMON. 324 00:11:06,367 --> 00:11:11,035 EVERYTHING WITH THE LAB CAME IN 325 00:11:11,038 --> 00:11:12,637 1989, THE LAB HAS BEEN BRANDED 326 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,607 ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE LAB. 327 00:11:16,610 --> 00:11:16,941 I THINK THE ONLY ONE IN THE 328 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:24,782 COLLEGE. 329 00:11:24,785 --> 00:11:26,317 >> THESE DAYS AI, IN THE SIMPLE 330 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,453 FORM YOU ARE TRYING TO TEACH 331 00:11:28,456 --> 00:11:31,456 COMPUTER TO DO THINGS THAT HUMAN 332 00:11:31,459 --> 00:11:35,026 ARE GOOD AT LIKE PLAYING CHESS 333 00:11:35,029 --> 00:11:38,730 AND SONGS, IT REQUIRE HUMAN 334 00:11:38,733 --> 00:11:42,900 INTELLIGENCE AND TEACHING YOUR 335 00:11:42,903 --> 00:11:47,038 COMPUTER TO EMULATE THAT. 336 00:11:47,041 --> 00:11:50,108 WE CALL DATA MINING, REQUIRE A 337 00:11:50,111 --> 00:11:51,409 LOT OF DEVELOPMENT AND THAT YOU 338 00:11:51,412 --> 00:11:54,812 NEED IN GREATER. 339 00:11:54,815 --> 00:11:55,613 >> PART OF THAT IS THE AZ SECURE 340 00:11:55,616 --> 00:11:57,415 PROGRAM. 341 00:11:57,418 --> 00:11:58,683 YOU ARE A PH.D. STUDENT. 342 00:11:58,686 --> 00:12:01,119 WHAT IS IT THAT INTERESTED YOU? 343 00:12:01,122 --> 00:12:03,121 >> THE EMPHASIS ON CYBER 344 00:12:03,124 --> 00:12:04,889 SECURITY AND GROWING EMPHASIS IN 345 00:12:04,892 --> 00:12:07,625 SOCIETY HOW PEOPLE NEED TO BE 346 00:12:07,628 --> 00:12:08,860 MORE AWARE OF THEIR CYBER 347 00:12:08,863 --> 00:12:10,795 SECURITY CONCERNS. 348 00:12:10,798 --> 00:12:13,231 AND ALSO THE APPROACHES THAT DR. 349 00:12:13,234 --> 00:12:14,632 CHEN IS TAKING IN THE ARTIFICIAL 350 00:12:14,635 --> 00:12:16,067 INTELLIGENCE LAB AS FAR AS USING 351 00:12:16,070 --> 00:12:18,403 ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE 352 00:12:18,406 --> 00:12:20,171 APPROACHES IN CYBER SECURITY 353 00:12:20,174 --> 00:12:21,506 CONTEXT, SOMETHING THAT IS TRULY 354 00:12:21,509 --> 00:12:23,141 UNIQUE, NOT ONLY THAT BUT ALSO 355 00:12:23,144 --> 00:12:25,943 LOOKING AT SPECIFIC TYPES OF 356 00:12:25,946 --> 00:12:26,844 DATA THAT OTHER SECURITY 357 00:12:26,847 --> 00:12:27,912 RESEARCHERS AREN'T LOOKING AT 358 00:12:27,915 --> 00:12:30,581 ALL THAT MUCH. 359 00:12:30,584 --> 00:12:31,582 >> SO YOU'RE TRYING TO OUTSMART 360 00:12:31,585 --> 00:12:32,950 THE HACKERS? 361 00:12:32,953 --> 00:12:36,554 >> YEAH. 362 00:12:36,557 --> 00:12:40,658 I THINK WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL DO 363 00:12:40,661 --> 00:12:41,426 SOMETHING GOOD UNDERSTANDING THE 364 00:12:41,429 --> 00:12:43,361 INTENT, MOTIVATION. 365 00:12:43,364 --> 00:12:45,797 IN THE PAST IN SECURITY SPACE 366 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,200 OVER THE PAST ALMOST 10 YEARS 367 00:12:49,203 --> 00:12:49,801 HAS BEEN VERY REACTIVE. 368 00:12:49,804 --> 00:12:52,670 PROTECTING YOURSELF. 369 00:12:52,673 --> 00:12:54,238 YOU TRY TO BLOCK THE BULLET THAT 370 00:12:54,241 --> 00:12:55,473 IS SHOOTING AT YOU. 371 00:12:55,476 --> 00:12:57,442 IN OUR RESEARCH WE TRY TO 372 00:12:57,445 --> 00:12:59,243 UNDERSTAND THE SHOOTERS BEHIND 373 00:12:59,246 --> 00:13:01,012 THE BULLET, AND THE HACKERS ARE 374 00:13:01,015 --> 00:13:04,549 THE PEOPLE WHO CREATE A BULLET, 375 00:13:04,552 --> 00:13:08,353 A WEAPON SHOOT AT YOU. 376 00:13:08,356 --> 00:13:10,221 SO THIS PROGRAM, SCHOLARSHIP AND 377 00:13:10,224 --> 00:13:11,422 ANOTHER RELATED PROGRAM CALLED 378 00:13:11,425 --> 00:13:13,891 HACKER WEB WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND 379 00:13:13,894 --> 00:13:16,361 THE WEB OF HACKERS. 380 00:13:16,364 --> 00:13:18,963 WHERE THEY RESIDE, WHAT DO THEY 381 00:13:18,966 --> 00:13:19,797 CREATE, WHAT KIND OF MALWEAR DO 382 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,066 THEY CREATE. 383 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:25,103 WHAT DATA DO THEY STEAL FROM YOU 384 00:13:25,106 --> 00:13:25,470 AND SO IT'S A VERY EXCITING 385 00:13:25,473 --> 00:13:27,171 PROGRAM. 386 00:13:27,174 --> 00:13:27,805 >> SAGAR, WHAT CAN THEY TAKE 387 00:13:27,808 --> 00:13:30,008 FROM US? 388 00:13:30,011 --> 00:13:31,075 >> THEY CAN TAKE A LOT OF 389 00:13:31,078 --> 00:13:32,677 PERSONAL RELATED INFORMATION, SO 390 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:35,546 A LOT OF OUR RESEARCH WHAT WE 391 00:13:35,549 --> 00:13:36,247 FIND IS THAT A LOT OF THE SOCIAL 392 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:37,482 SECURITY NUMBERS, PERSONAL 393 00:13:37,485 --> 00:13:40,485 IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS ARE FOUND 394 00:13:40,488 --> 00:13:42,120 IN THESE HACKER FORUMS OR 395 00:13:42,123 --> 00:13:44,022 COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY TRADE AND 396 00:13:44,025 --> 00:13:44,322 SELL THAT INFORMATION WITH EACH 397 00:13:44,325 --> 00:13:45,656 OTHER. 398 00:13:45,659 --> 00:13:47,091 THAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS AFTER 399 00:13:47,094 --> 00:13:48,192 THEY BREACHED OR ATTACKED US. 400 00:13:48,195 --> 00:13:50,094 >> IS MOST OF THAT HAPPENING 401 00:13:50,097 --> 00:13:51,229 THROUGH OUR CELL PHONES OR 402 00:13:51,232 --> 00:13:53,865 COMPUTERS OR WHERE? 403 00:13:53,868 --> 00:13:55,800 >> I THINK DEFINITELY THESE DAYS 404 00:13:55,803 --> 00:13:57,935 THE DEVICES CREATE DIFFERENT 405 00:13:57,938 --> 00:13:58,236 AVENUE FOR THEM TO STEAL YOUR 406 00:13:58,239 --> 00:14:01,472 DATA. 407 00:14:01,475 --> 00:14:04,876 BUT EVEN WHEN YOU GO TO ATM 408 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:07,779 MACHINE, WHEN YOU GO TO TARGET, 409 00:14:07,782 --> 00:14:09,881 SWIPE YOUR CREDIT CARD, THERE IS 410 00:14:09,884 --> 00:14:12,283 MALWARE VIRUSES THAT EMBEDDED 411 00:14:12,286 --> 00:14:13,518 AND COLLECTING NOT 10, 20, 412 00:14:13,521 --> 00:14:15,720 RECORDS, THEY ARE COLLECTING 413 00:14:15,723 --> 00:14:18,022 HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF RECORDS 414 00:14:18,025 --> 00:14:19,724 PER DAY FROM MERCHANTS, FROM 415 00:14:19,727 --> 00:14:20,024 YOUR CELL PHONE AND ONLINE 416 00:14:20,027 --> 00:14:21,225 SHOPS. 417 00:14:21,228 --> 00:14:23,961 WHEN THERE IS A DATA BREACH THIS 418 00:14:23,964 --> 00:14:24,562 IS TYPICALLY NOT IN ORDER OF 419 00:14:24,565 --> 00:14:27,565 THOUSANDS. 420 00:14:27,568 --> 00:14:28,433 IT'S TENS OF MILLIONS OF 421 00:14:28,436 --> 00:14:30,201 RECORDS. 422 00:14:30,204 --> 00:14:32,370 AND THIS HAS BEEN THE DAILY 423 00:14:32,373 --> 00:14:34,439 EVENT OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS. 424 00:14:34,442 --> 00:14:34,739 IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP ANY DAY 425 00:14:34,742 --> 00:14:35,973 SOON. 426 00:14:35,976 --> 00:14:37,108 >> THE PROGRAM IS REALLY TRYING 427 00:14:37,111 --> 00:14:37,975 TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE 428 00:14:37,978 --> 00:14:39,210 GETTING THIS INFORMATION, HOW 429 00:14:39,213 --> 00:14:40,778 THEY ARE GETTING IT AND WHAT 430 00:14:40,781 --> 00:14:41,245 THEY INTEND TO DO WITH IT, IS 431 00:14:41,248 --> 00:14:42,980 THAT CORRECT? 432 00:14:42,983 --> 00:14:44,716 >> TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE 433 00:14:44,719 --> 00:14:46,050 ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM OF THE EXACT 434 00:14:46,053 --> 00:14:47,218 PEOPLE BEHIND IT, WHAT THEIR 435 00:14:47,221 --> 00:14:49,620 MOTIVATIONS ARE AND WHAT THEIR 436 00:14:49,623 --> 00:14:49,987 TOOLS ARE, WHAT THEY ARE USING, 437 00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:52,924 ET CETERA. 438 00:14:52,927 --> 00:14:55,326 >> SO, THE PROGRAM TEACHES 439 00:14:55,329 --> 00:14:56,494 STUDENTS LIKE SAGART PROGRAM IS 440 00:14:56,497 --> 00:14:58,563 FUNDED BY A GRANT. 441 00:14:58,566 --> 00:15:02,166 >> THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN FUNDED 442 00:15:02,169 --> 00:15:03,001 BY TWO OR THREE NATIONAL SCIENCE 443 00:15:03,004 --> 00:15:05,937 FOUNDATION GRANT. 444 00:15:05,940 --> 00:15:07,872 AND THEY ARE ONE IN SCHOLARSHIP 445 00:15:07,875 --> 00:15:10,508 THAT HE WOULD GRADUATE AND 446 00:15:10,511 --> 00:15:12,944 BECOME A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE, 447 00:15:12,947 --> 00:15:16,347 BUT DURING THE TRAINING THERE 448 00:15:16,350 --> 00:15:18,416 WILL BE LEARNING, AT THE SAME 449 00:15:18,419 --> 00:15:21,486 TIME LEARNING A LOT OF CUTTING 450 00:15:21,489 --> 00:15:23,788 EDGE TOOLS THAT ALLOW THEM TO BE 451 00:15:23,791 --> 00:15:24,122 ONE TO 10 STEP AHEAD OF THE 452 00:15:24,125 --> 00:15:27,291 HACKERS. 453 00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:28,660 WE COLLECT DATA, WE DO LIN 454 00:15:28,663 --> 00:15:30,128 QUISTIES ANALYSIS. 455 00:15:30,131 --> 00:15:32,930 RUSSIAN SHARING INFORMATION 456 00:15:32,933 --> 00:15:34,365 ABOUT STOLEN CREDIT CARDS, ABOUT 457 00:15:34,368 --> 00:15:35,800 MALWEAR AND OUR PROGRAM LOOKING 458 00:15:35,803 --> 00:15:39,704 AT THE CHINESE MOBILE PAYMENT, 459 00:15:39,707 --> 00:15:41,072 AGAIN A LOT OF -- NOT JUST 460 00:15:41,075 --> 00:15:43,808 DEALING ENGLISH, DEALING WITH 461 00:15:43,811 --> 00:15:45,376 MANY LANGUAGES, RUSSIAN, CHINESE 462 00:15:45,379 --> 00:15:50,448 AND ARABIC AND SO ON. 463 00:15:50,451 --> 00:15:53,384 AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE 464 00:15:53,387 --> 00:15:54,218 KIND OF MO DES OPENER RANDA OF 465 00:15:54,221 --> 00:15:57,855 THE GROUP. 466 00:15:57,858 --> 00:15:59,424 WORKING AS A GROUP IN DIFFERENT 467 00:15:59,427 --> 00:16:01,793 SPECIALTY AREAS, FOR THE 468 00:16:01,796 --> 00:16:07,732 RUSSIANS TO THE MOBILE OR CYBER 469 00:16:07,735 --> 00:16:08,666 WAR FAIR FOR THE CHINESE FOR 470 00:16:08,669 --> 00:16:13,037 TURKISH GROUPS. 471 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,541 IT'S DIVIDED, VERY INTERNATIONAL 472 00:16:16,544 --> 00:16:19,243 BUT ALSO VERY TIGHT GROUP. 473 00:16:19,246 --> 00:16:21,079 >> WHAT DRIVES THESE HACKERS? 474 00:16:21,082 --> 00:16:22,613 WHAT IS THEIR MOTIVATION? 475 00:16:22,616 --> 00:16:24,282 >> DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF GROUP 476 00:16:24,285 --> 00:16:25,717 YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 477 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,053 SO, DR. CHEN MENTIONED A FEW OF 478 00:16:29,056 --> 00:16:31,222 THE GROUPS, THE HACKTIVISTS 479 00:16:31,225 --> 00:16:32,490 MOTIVATED BY ACTIVIST CAMPAIGNS, 480 00:16:32,493 --> 00:16:33,524 THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 481 00:16:33,527 --> 00:16:36,294 SOME FOR FINANCIAL GAIN, SOME OF 482 00:16:36,297 --> 00:16:38,463 THEM DO IT FOR CYBER WAR FAIR. 483 00:16:38,466 --> 00:16:40,098 SO IT DEPENDS ON THE DEMOGRAPHIC 484 00:16:40,101 --> 00:16:41,199 THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT 485 00:16:41,202 --> 00:16:43,001 THEIR MOTIVATIONS ARE. 486 00:16:43,004 --> 00:16:45,603 >> AND DR. CHEN MENTIONED THAT 487 00:16:45,606 --> 00:16:47,071 YOU WILL EVENTUALLY WORK FOR THE 488 00:16:47,074 --> 00:16:48,473 GOVERNMENT OR A SECURITY AGENCY? 489 00:16:48,476 --> 00:16:51,609 THAT'S THE GOAL TO GET THESE 490 00:16:51,612 --> 00:16:53,778 STUDENTS JOBS? 491 00:16:53,781 --> 00:16:55,913 >> THE PROGRAM WE HAVE GRADUATED 492 00:16:55,916 --> 00:16:57,682 FOUR STUDENTS, WE HAVE 13 493 00:16:57,685 --> 00:17:01,019 RESIDENT IN THE PROGRAM NOW. 494 00:17:01,022 --> 00:17:03,287 WE HAVE FUNDING FOR ABOUT $4.5 495 00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:04,689 MILLION TO TRAIN 40 STUDENTS. 496 00:17:04,692 --> 00:17:09,327 THEY WILL BE SERVING FOR MOST OF 497 00:17:09,330 --> 00:17:11,863 THEM FOR THE AGENCIES IN FEDERAL 498 00:17:11,866 --> 00:17:12,330 GOVERNMENT PROTECTING THE 499 00:17:12,333 --> 00:17:13,464 INFRASTRUCTURE. 500 00:17:13,467 --> 00:17:14,899 AFTER THEY FINISH SERVING FOR 501 00:17:14,902 --> 00:17:16,334 THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE 502 00:17:16,337 --> 00:17:20,038 EQUIVALENT NUMBER OF YEARS IN 503 00:17:20,041 --> 00:17:23,541 THE SCHOLARSHIP FUNDING, THEN 504 00:17:23,544 --> 00:17:25,910 THEY CAN GO THE INDUSTRY, THEY 505 00:17:25,913 --> 00:17:26,444 CAN GO TO GOOGLE, FACEBOOK, AND 506 00:17:26,447 --> 00:17:27,745 COMPANIES AS WELL. 507 00:17:27,748 --> 00:17:29,414 >> IS THAT THE GOAL FOR YOU? 508 00:17:29,417 --> 00:17:29,981 THIS IS WHAT YOU HOPE TO DO? 509 00:17:29,984 --> 00:17:32,116 >> RIGHT. 510 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,518 I MEAN, ONE OF THE MOTIVATING 511 00:17:33,521 --> 00:17:35,119 FACTORS FOR ME TO GET IN THE 512 00:17:35,122 --> 00:17:36,721 PROGRAM WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO 513 00:17:36,724 --> 00:17:37,889 SERVE THE COUNTRY IN A CYBER 514 00:17:37,892 --> 00:17:39,791 SECURITY POSITION. 515 00:17:39,794 --> 00:17:41,426 AND YOU KNOW, ACADEMIA IS ONE 516 00:17:41,429 --> 00:17:43,328 WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING THIS. 517 00:17:43,331 --> 00:17:45,196 SO IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE 518 00:17:45,199 --> 00:17:46,864 GOVERNMENT SECTOR BUT ALSO 519 00:17:46,867 --> 00:17:48,399 BECOMING A PROFESSOR IN CYBER 520 00:17:48,402 --> 00:17:50,134 SECURITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 521 00:17:50,137 --> 00:17:52,270 MY TRAINING AS FAR AS THE PH.D. 522 00:17:52,273 --> 00:17:53,471 PROGRAM IS TRAINING MORE TOWARD 523 00:17:53,474 --> 00:17:55,139 ACADEMIA AND BECOMING A 524 00:17:55,142 --> 00:17:58,376 PROFESSOR BUT I CAN USE THE 525 00:17:58,379 --> 00:18:01,512 SKILLS I USED FROM THE PROGRAM 526 00:18:01,515 --> 00:18:01,879 TO MAKE A NOVEL CONTRIBUTION IN 527 00:18:01,882 --> 00:18:03,381 ACADEMIA. 528 00:18:03,384 --> 00:18:03,748 >> HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE 529 00:18:03,751 --> 00:18:04,682 ENROLLED? 530 00:18:04,685 --> 00:18:05,983 YOU PROBABLY HAVE STUDENTS 531 00:18:05,986 --> 00:18:08,953 COMING FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY 532 00:18:08,956 --> 00:18:11,022 WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE. 533 00:18:11,025 --> 00:18:12,423 >> FOR THE PROGRAM HAS TO BE 534 00:18:12,426 --> 00:18:15,526 U.S. CITIZEN. 535 00:18:15,529 --> 00:18:15,793 OR RESIDENTS, GREEN CARD HOLDER 536 00:18:15,796 --> 00:18:16,961 SO. 537 00:18:16,964 --> 00:18:19,364 WE HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST FROM 538 00:18:19,367 --> 00:18:21,499 LOCAL ARIZONA STUDENTS BUT ALSO 539 00:18:21,502 --> 00:18:23,234 FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 540 00:18:23,237 --> 00:18:24,535 BUT OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS WE 541 00:18:24,538 --> 00:18:26,537 HAVE BEEN VERY CAREFUL IN 542 00:18:26,540 --> 00:18:29,507 SELECTING OUR STUDENTS. 543 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:32,877 THE GOVERNMENT HAS A VERY 544 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:33,244 STRINGENT ACCEPTANCE AND SUCCESS 545 00:18:33,247 --> 00:18:36,414 RATE. 546 00:18:36,417 --> 00:18:39,250 THE SUCCESS RATE IS 94%. 547 00:18:39,253 --> 00:18:40,218 WHICH MEANS 100 STUDENT YOU ONLY 548 00:18:40,221 --> 00:18:42,353 LOSE FIVE. 549 00:18:42,356 --> 00:18:42,887 SO THE SUCCESS RATE IS VERY 550 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:45,456 HIGH. 551 00:18:45,459 --> 00:18:48,860 SELECTIVE. 552 00:18:48,863 --> 00:18:50,395 THE PROGRAM ALSO -- THIS IS 553 00:18:50,398 --> 00:18:51,529 CYBER CULT. 554 00:18:51,532 --> 00:18:53,631 IT HAS BEEN CALLED THE WEST 555 00:18:53,634 --> 00:18:53,998 POINT FOR CYBER SECURITY 556 00:18:54,001 --> 00:18:55,366 TRAINING. 557 00:18:55,369 --> 00:18:58,436 IT'S PRESTIGIOUS, WE GIVE THE 558 00:18:58,439 --> 00:19:00,738 STUDENT $80,000 PER YEAR, EVEN 559 00:19:00,741 --> 00:19:04,542 HIGHER THAN A TYPICAL STIPEND IN 560 00:19:04,545 --> 00:19:08,413 A PH.D. PROGRAM. 561 00:19:08,416 --> 00:19:08,780 ALMOST $80,000 FOR TWO YEARS. 562 00:19:08,783 --> 00:19:13,017 $160,000. 563 00:19:13,020 --> 00:19:14,318 THEN GOVERNMENT GIVE YOU 564 00:19:14,321 --> 00:19:15,253 TRAINING, SECURITY CLEARANCE, 565 00:19:15,256 --> 00:19:17,422 PREVAILING RATE IN THE 566 00:19:17,425 --> 00:19:18,156 GOVERNMENT SETTING TYPICALLY IN 567 00:19:18,159 --> 00:19:19,924 WASHINGTON, D.C. AREA AND ALSO 568 00:19:19,927 --> 00:19:22,727 IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL. 569 00:19:22,730 --> 00:19:27,065 WITH TWO YEARS OF TRAINING WITH 570 00:19:27,068 --> 00:19:28,766 A DEGREE, TWO YEARS, WILL GET A 571 00:19:28,769 --> 00:19:29,133 SECURITY, A TOP SECRET 572 00:19:29,136 --> 00:19:31,069 CLEARANCE. 573 00:19:31,072 --> 00:19:31,369 FOUR YEARS, THEN SKY'S THE 574 00:19:31,372 --> 00:19:33,838 LIMIT. 575 00:19:33,841 --> 00:19:35,373 YOU CAN CONTINUE IN THE AGENCY. 576 00:19:35,376 --> 00:19:35,840 I THINK 50% CONTINUE TO STAY IN 577 00:19:35,843 --> 00:19:39,177 THE GOVERNMENT. 578 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:44,015 THE OTHER 50% MAY DECIDE TO MOVE 579 00:19:44,018 --> 00:19:49,087 INTO OTHER E-COMMERCE OR 580 00:19:49,090 --> 00:19:51,322 CONSULTING FIRM. 581 00:19:51,325 --> 00:19:51,789 >> IT'S FUNDED BECAUSE THIS IS 582 00:19:51,792 --> 00:19:52,623 IMPORTANT WORK. 583 00:19:52,626 --> 00:19:54,158 >> IT IS. 584 00:19:54,161 --> 00:19:55,660 >> WHAT WOULD MOTIVATE YOU? 585 00:19:55,663 --> 00:19:56,361 YOU SAID EARLIER TO SERVE THE 586 00:19:56,364 --> 00:19:58,296 COUNTRY. 587 00:19:58,299 --> 00:19:59,430 I MEAN BECAUSE WE'RE VULNERABLE. 588 00:19:59,433 --> 00:20:00,264 >> RIGHT. 589 00:20:00,267 --> 00:20:01,499 SOCIETAL IMPACT. 590 00:20:01,502 --> 00:20:03,434 THE AREA OF WORK THAT WE'RE IN 591 00:20:03,437 --> 00:20:04,335 RIGHT NOW HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL 592 00:20:04,338 --> 00:20:05,970 FOR SOCIETAL IMPACT. 593 00:20:05,973 --> 00:20:09,874 SOME OF THE RESEARCH AVENUES 594 00:20:09,877 --> 00:20:11,009 THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT CAN 595 00:20:11,012 --> 00:20:12,477 POTENTIALLY CYBER CRIME MOVING 596 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,878 FORWARD SO THAT'S A BIG 597 00:20:13,881 --> 00:20:14,379 MOTIVATION TO PURSUE THIS LINE 598 00:20:14,382 --> 00:20:15,713 OF RESEARCH. 599 00:20:15,716 --> 00:20:16,948 >> YOU THINK MOST PEOPLE 600 00:20:16,951 --> 00:20:17,215 UNDERSTAND HOW VULNERABLE WE 601 00:20:17,218 --> 00:20:19,317 ARE? 602 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:19,617 >> KIND OF. 603 00:20:19,620 --> 00:20:21,786 YEAH. 604 00:20:21,789 --> 00:20:22,820 IT DEPENDS. 605 00:20:22,823 --> 00:20:23,788 THERE ARE CERTAIN TECHNICAL 606 00:20:23,791 --> 00:20:26,791 MEASURES THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE 607 00:20:26,794 --> 00:20:27,191 THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF 608 00:20:27,194 --> 00:20:28,693 WHATSOEVER. 609 00:20:28,696 --> 00:20:30,561 SO INSTALLING CERTAIN PIECES OF 610 00:20:30,564 --> 00:20:31,696 SOFTWARE ON YOUR PHONE THAT ARE 611 00:20:31,699 --> 00:20:33,831 BENIGN BUT ARE COLLECTING DATA, 612 00:20:33,834 --> 00:20:34,132 A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE 613 00:20:34,135 --> 00:20:35,066 THAT. 614 00:20:35,069 --> 00:20:37,135 BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE A 615 00:20:37,138 --> 00:20:39,871 LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE YOU KNOW, 616 00:20:39,874 --> 00:20:41,639 VERY PRO ACTIVE ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS 617 00:20:41,642 --> 00:20:43,107 AND PASS WORD PROTECTION AND 618 00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:44,742 THINGS LIKE THAT BUT NOT AWARE 619 00:20:44,745 --> 00:20:45,243 OF THE TECHNICAL 620 00:20:45,246 --> 00:20:46,511 IMPLEMENTATIONS. 621 00:20:46,514 --> 00:20:50,415 >> WHAT ARE SIMPLE THINGS WE CAN 622 00:20:50,418 --> 00:20:52,417 DO AS PRIVATE CITIZENS TO REALLY 623 00:20:52,420 --> 00:20:52,884 MONITOR AND SECURE OUR OWN 624 00:20:52,887 --> 00:20:55,486 SAFETY? 625 00:20:55,489 --> 00:20:57,455 >> I THINK THESE DAYS THE MOBILE 626 00:20:57,458 --> 00:21:00,124 DEVICES POST THE MOST THREATS. 627 00:21:00,127 --> 00:21:01,893 THE MOBILE DEVICES OF CELL 628 00:21:01,896 --> 00:21:04,162 PHONES TO iPAD AND WHAT NOT 629 00:21:04,165 --> 00:21:07,031 ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE 630 00:21:07,034 --> 00:21:08,733 ACCESSING SEEMINGLY BENIGN 631 00:21:08,736 --> 00:21:09,000 WEBSITES, FREE SERVICES AND SO 632 00:21:09,003 --> 00:21:11,669 ON. 633 00:21:11,672 --> 00:21:13,705 YOU HAVE TO CAREFULLY THESE DAYS 634 00:21:13,708 --> 00:21:16,174 MORE SO THAN THREE OR FOUR YEARS 635 00:21:16,177 --> 00:21:18,976 AGO, CAREFULLY LOOK AT THE 636 00:21:18,979 --> 00:21:20,878 PRIVACY SETTING, THE OPT IN OR 637 00:21:20,881 --> 00:21:23,414 OPT OUT THAT MAKE SURE YOU ARE 638 00:21:23,417 --> 00:21:24,982 UNDER THE MOST SECURE MECHANISM. 639 00:21:24,985 --> 00:21:25,283 IN THE PAST WE DON'T THINK ABOUT 640 00:21:25,286 --> 00:21:28,186 THAT. 641 00:21:28,189 --> 00:21:30,355 A LOT OF DATA COLLECTED BY 642 00:21:30,358 --> 00:21:32,457 APPLICATION, IT COULD BE A 643 00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:33,324 FACEBOOK APP, AND TYPICALLY 644 00:21:33,327 --> 00:21:34,926 BETTER PROTECTED. 645 00:21:34,929 --> 00:21:38,129 WHEN YOU ARE CONNECTED TO OTHER 646 00:21:38,132 --> 00:21:40,932 FREE WEBSITES, DICTIONARIES AND 647 00:21:40,935 --> 00:21:42,633 FREE SERVICES, THEY ENTER 648 00:21:42,636 --> 00:21:43,935 COOKIES ON YOUR BROWSER, ON YOUR 649 00:21:43,938 --> 00:21:46,704 PHONES, THAT THEY CAN COLLECT 650 00:21:46,707 --> 00:21:48,172 YOUR IP ADDRESS, THE TIME, THERE 651 00:21:48,175 --> 00:21:49,707 ARE KEY WORDS YOU ARE USING. 652 00:21:49,710 --> 00:21:51,109 EVEN COLLECTED BY INDIVIDUAL 653 00:21:51,112 --> 00:21:53,678 VENDORS IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 654 00:21:53,681 --> 00:21:54,078 BUT THESE DAYS THEY ARE SHARING 655 00:21:54,081 --> 00:21:56,014 INFORMATION. 656 00:21:56,017 --> 00:21:58,516 THEY BECOME DATA VENDORS. 657 00:21:58,519 --> 00:21:58,850 HOW DO THEY MAKE MONEY FOR FREE 658 00:21:58,853 --> 00:22:00,685 SERVICE. 659 00:22:00,688 --> 00:22:02,286 THEY MUST MAKE MONEY SELLING 660 00:22:02,289 --> 00:22:02,954 YOUR DATA, YOUR ACTIVITY TO 661 00:22:02,957 --> 00:22:04,789 OTHER VENDORS. 662 00:22:04,792 --> 00:22:06,424 WHEN THEY ARE SHARING ACROSS ALL 663 00:22:06,427 --> 00:22:09,527 INDUSTRIES THAT BECOMES VERY 664 00:22:09,530 --> 00:22:11,029 SCARY SCENARIO THAT A LOT OF 665 00:22:11,032 --> 00:22:14,065 PEOPLE OUTSIDE KNOW ABOUT YOU, 666 00:22:14,068 --> 00:22:17,168 AND THEN THEY CAN USE THE DATA 667 00:22:17,171 --> 00:22:19,837 TO TRY AND YOUR VOTING RECORD, 668 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,406 THAT POSES VERY STRONG SECURITY 669 00:22:21,409 --> 00:22:22,640 CONCERN AND PRIVACY CONCERN. 670 00:22:22,643 --> 00:22:24,842 >> SO TECHNOLOGY IS REALLY SORT 671 00:22:24,845 --> 00:22:25,677 OF FOSTERING THESE HACKERS. 672 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,512 >> EXACTLY. 673 00:22:27,515 --> 00:22:30,548 THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS YOU 674 00:22:30,551 --> 00:22:32,517 SEE THE PERFECT STORM FORMING. 675 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:32,950 MORE INFORMATION, MORE MOBILE 676 00:22:32,953 --> 00:22:34,986 DEVICES. 677 00:22:34,989 --> 00:22:37,488 PERFECT STORM ALSO MEANING THAT 678 00:22:37,491 --> 00:22:38,990 HACKER COMMUNITY BECOME MORE 679 00:22:38,993 --> 00:22:40,692 POWERFUL, MORE INTENT GETTING 680 00:22:40,695 --> 00:22:43,428 INFORMATION AND THEY CAN AGAIN 681 00:22:43,431 --> 00:22:43,761 FOR THEIR PERSONAL OR FINANCIAL 682 00:22:43,764 --> 00:22:45,063 BENEFIT. 683 00:22:45,066 --> 00:22:49,000 THIS IS THE TIME YOU HAVE TO PAY 684 00:22:49,003 --> 00:22:52,670 ATTENTION TO PRIVACY AND CYBER 685 00:22:52,673 --> 00:22:54,305 SECURITY. 686 00:22:54,308 --> 00:22:56,407 >>> THE BUZZ NOW WITH MY 687 00:22:56,410 --> 00:23:00,578 COLLEAGUE HERE AT ARIZONA PUBLIC 688 00:23:00,581 --> 00:23:01,779 MEDIA CHRISTOPHER CONOVER. 689 00:23:01,782 --> 00:23:03,348 BUSY WEEK. 690 00:23:03,351 --> 00:23:05,917 DREAMERS, DRIVERS LICENSES AND 691 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,217 NOW THEY ARE ABLE TO USE THEM 692 00:23:06,220 --> 00:23:07,685 HERE. 693 00:23:07,688 --> 00:23:09,921 >> THE U.S. NINTH CIRCUIT COURT 694 00:23:09,924 --> 00:23:12,390 OF APPEALS, FEDERAL COURT RULED 695 00:23:12,393 --> 00:23:13,958 THAT ARIZONA CANNOT DENY DRIVERS 696 00:23:13,961 --> 00:23:16,494 LICENSE TO THE FOLKS WE CALL 697 00:23:16,497 --> 00:23:18,262 DREAMERS AND 2012, THEN GOVERNOR 698 00:23:18,265 --> 00:23:20,698 BREWER ISSUED EXECUTIVE ORDER 699 00:23:20,701 --> 00:23:21,733 THAT SAID NO, THEY CANNOT HAVE 700 00:23:21,736 --> 00:23:22,667 ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSES. 701 00:23:22,670 --> 00:23:23,201 THIS IS WORKING THROUGH THE 702 00:23:23,204 --> 00:23:24,669 COURT SYSTEM. 703 00:23:24,672 --> 00:23:25,570 THE NINTH CIRCUIT THIS WEEK SAID 704 00:23:25,573 --> 00:23:27,238 YES, THEY CAN. 705 00:23:27,241 --> 00:23:29,140 THEY ARE IN THE COUNTRY WITH A 706 00:23:29,143 --> 00:23:31,476 LEGAL STATUS, THEREFORE THEY CAN 707 00:23:31,479 --> 00:23:33,511 HAVE DRIVER'S LICENSES. 708 00:23:33,514 --> 00:23:36,047 WE HAVEN'T HEARD AN OFFICIAL 709 00:23:36,050 --> 00:23:37,448 RESPONSE YET BUT MOST PEOPLE 710 00:23:37,451 --> 00:23:38,783 EXPECT THAT THIS WILL BE 711 00:23:38,786 --> 00:23:39,083 APPEALED TO THE U.S. SUPREME 712 00:23:39,086 --> 00:23:41,119 COURT. 713 00:23:41,122 --> 00:23:41,452 >> DREAMERS CAN DRIVE LEGALLY NO 714 00:23:41,455 --> 00:23:43,087 PROBLEM? 715 00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:44,689 >> AT THIS POINT YES. 716 00:23:44,692 --> 00:23:46,357 WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IF THERE IS AN 717 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:48,092 APPEAL TO THE SUPREME COURT. 718 00:23:48,095 --> 00:23:50,428 THE ISSUANCE OF THE LICENSES 719 00:23:50,431 --> 00:23:51,596 COULD BE PUT ON HOLD AS AN 720 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:51,929 INJUNCTION IF THIS WORKS 721 00:23:51,932 --> 00:23:53,498 THROUGH. 722 00:23:53,501 --> 00:23:56,334 BUT UNLESS THAT HAPPENS, 723 00:23:56,337 --> 00:23:58,069 DREAMERS WILL BE ABLE TO GET 724 00:23:58,072 --> 00:23:59,037 LICENSES PER THE NINTH CIRCUIT 725 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,304 COURT OF APPEALS. 726 00:24:00,307 --> 00:24:01,673 >> OTHER NEWS NOW. 727 00:24:01,676 --> 00:24:02,774 THE PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE 728 00:24:02,777 --> 00:24:04,409 PRIMARY THAT WILL NOT END. 729 00:24:04,412 --> 00:24:06,144 WHAT IS THE STATUS THERE? 730 00:24:06,147 --> 00:24:08,279 >> WE NOW HAVE OFFICIAL RESULTS, 731 00:24:08,282 --> 00:24:10,114 THAT'S THE NEW PART THIS WEEK, 732 00:24:10,117 --> 00:24:11,616 OR THE NEWEST PART THIS WEEK. 733 00:24:11,619 --> 00:24:12,050 AS YOU SAID IT'S JUST NOT 734 00:24:12,053 --> 00:24:13,985 ENDING. 735 00:24:13,988 --> 00:24:15,987 THE VOTE HAS BEEN CERTIFIED. 736 00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:18,156 THE QUESTIONS NOW REMAIN ABOUT 737 00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:18,489 THOSE LONG LINES IN MARICOPA 738 00:24:18,492 --> 00:24:20,291 COUNTY. 739 00:24:20,294 --> 00:24:22,327 THE U.S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT 740 00:24:22,330 --> 00:24:22,760 ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE 741 00:24:22,763 --> 00:24:26,197 INVESTIGATING. 742 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:26,597 WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR IS AN 743 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,799 EXPLANATION. 744 00:24:27,802 --> 00:24:29,400 IT'S REALLY THE EXPLANATION 745 00:24:29,403 --> 00:24:31,269 EVERYBODY IS ASKING FOR. 746 00:24:31,272 --> 00:24:33,538 HOW WAS IT DECIDED THERE WOULD 747 00:24:33,541 --> 00:24:36,874 ONLY BE 60 POLLING PLACES? 748 00:24:36,877 --> 00:24:40,278 WHERE WERE THEY PLACED? 749 00:24:40,281 --> 00:24:40,845 WHY WERE SOME WHOLE DISTRICTS 750 00:24:40,848 --> 00:24:43,247 FOR EXAMPLE LEFT OUT? 751 00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:44,949 WERE THERE CERTAIN MINORITY 752 00:24:44,952 --> 00:24:45,249 GROUPS HURT MORE THAN OTHERS BUY 753 00:24:45,252 --> 00:24:46,417 THIS? 754 00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:47,952 THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS 755 00:24:47,955 --> 00:24:49,721 LOOKING INTO ALL THIS. 756 00:24:49,724 --> 00:24:52,557 NO TIME TABLE ON WHEN THEY'LL 757 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:52,990 HAVE A WRAP-UP OF THEIR 758 00:24:52,993 --> 00:24:54,425 INVESTIGATION. 759 00:24:54,428 --> 00:24:56,527 STATE OFFICIALS, COUNTY 760 00:24:56,530 --> 00:24:58,096 OFFICIALS, MARICOPA COUNTY, ARE 761 00:24:58,099 --> 00:25:00,198 COOPERATING AND THEY HAVE ALSO 762 00:25:00,201 --> 00:25:02,734 SAID THIS WON'T HAPPEN FOR THE 763 00:25:02,737 --> 00:25:04,602 MAY SPECIAL ELECTION, IT WON'T 764 00:25:04,605 --> 00:25:05,470 FOR THE AUGUST PRIMARY AND WON'T 765 00:25:05,473 --> 00:25:07,372 HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER. 766 00:25:07,375 --> 00:25:08,773 >> I SAW IT MIRT BE RELATED TO 767 00:25:08,776 --> 00:25:10,208 FUNDING IN REMOVING POLLING 768 00:25:10,211 --> 00:25:11,075 PLACES BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE 769 00:25:11,078 --> 00:25:14,312 BUDGET CUTS? 770 00:25:14,315 --> 00:25:15,446 >> THAT'S WHAT THE MARICOPA 771 00:25:15,449 --> 00:25:16,981 COUNTY RECORDER WAS TRYING TO 772 00:25:16,984 --> 00:25:18,883 SAY WHEN SHE APPEARED BEFORE THE 773 00:25:18,886 --> 00:25:20,551 LEGISLATURE AND IN FRONT OF THE 774 00:25:20,554 --> 00:25:21,085 MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF 775 00:25:21,088 --> 00:25:22,520 SUPERVISORS. 776 00:25:22,523 --> 00:25:24,122 THE LEGISLATURE DIDN'T BUY IT. 777 00:25:24,125 --> 00:25:25,490 SAID LOOK, YOU ALWAYS HAD THE 778 00:25:25,493 --> 00:25:27,725 SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY. 779 00:25:27,728 --> 00:25:29,494 WE WERE HOPING TO GIVE YOU MORE 780 00:25:29,497 --> 00:25:30,728 MONEY, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY 781 00:25:30,731 --> 00:25:33,331 DECREASED THE AMOUNT OF MONEY 782 00:25:33,334 --> 00:25:35,433 THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN. 783 00:25:35,436 --> 00:25:35,967 SO THE LEGISLATURE WASN'T BUYING 784 00:25:35,970 --> 00:25:36,334 THAT. 785 00:25:36,337 --> 00:25:36,734 ENTIRELY. 786 00:25:36,737 --> 00:25:38,336 >> OKAY. 787 00:25:38,339 --> 00:25:39,504 LET'S MOVE ON. 788 00:25:39,507 --> 00:25:41,305 NEWS THAT CAME OUT LATE IN THE 789 00:25:41,308 --> 00:25:43,741 WEEK HERE, REPORTERS NO LONGER 790 00:25:43,744 --> 00:25:46,477 ALLOWED ON THE HOUSE FLOOR OF 791 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,745 THE ARIZONA CAPITOL UNLESS THEY 792 00:25:47,748 --> 00:25:48,780 CONSENT TO A BACKGROUND CHECK. 793 00:25:48,783 --> 00:25:51,315 >> EXACTLY. 794 00:25:51,318 --> 00:25:53,518 THE HOUSE SPEAKER DAVID GALLEN 795 00:25:53,521 --> 00:25:54,452 PUT IN NEW SECURITY RULES THAT 796 00:25:54,455 --> 00:25:55,987 SAID ALL NON-STAFF MEMBERS IN 797 00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:58,222 ORDER TO HAVE ACCESS TO SECURE 798 00:25:58,225 --> 00:26:00,224 AREAS WHICH THE THE FLOOR IS 799 00:26:00,227 --> 00:26:02,026 WHICH MEMBERS OFFICES ARE ALSO, 800 00:26:02,029 --> 00:26:02,327 MUST GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND 801 00:26:02,330 --> 00:26:03,795 CHECK. 802 00:26:03,798 --> 00:26:06,364 THAT CHECK MEANS THAT YOU HAVE 803 00:26:06,367 --> 00:26:08,066 TO GIVE YOUR NAME, YOUR DRIVER'S 804 00:26:08,069 --> 00:26:11,235 LICENSE, YOUR BIRTH DATE, AND 805 00:26:11,238 --> 00:26:12,637 ANY ALIASES THAT YOU HAVE AND 806 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,571 SOME REPORTERS WORK UNDER 807 00:26:13,574 --> 00:26:14,872 DIFFERENT NAMES. 808 00:26:14,875 --> 00:26:16,774 IT'S COMMON IN OUR BUSINESS. 809 00:26:16,777 --> 00:26:17,108 AND THE REPORTERS SAID WAIT A 810 00:26:17,111 --> 00:26:18,776 MINUTE. 811 00:26:18,779 --> 00:26:19,877 WE HAVE NEVER HAD THIS. 812 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,446 THIS IS THREE QUARTERS OF THE 813 00:26:21,449 --> 00:26:23,247 WAY THROUGH THE SESSION WE'RE 814 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:24,916 APPROACHING THE 100th DAY. 815 00:26:24,919 --> 00:26:26,684 THIS ISN'T NEEDED. 816 00:26:26,687 --> 00:26:27,051 GALLEN SAID IT'S ALL ABOUT 817 00:26:27,054 --> 00:26:28,720 SECURITY. 818 00:26:28,723 --> 00:26:30,188 NOW, PART OF THIS BACKGROUND 819 00:26:30,191 --> 00:26:31,823 CHECK IS ANY REPORTER WHO IS 820 00:26:31,826 --> 00:26:33,291 FOUND TO HAVE A FELONY 821 00:26:33,294 --> 00:26:34,859 CONVICTION IN THE LAST 10 YEARS 822 00:26:34,862 --> 00:26:35,960 WOULD BE BARRED FROM THE FLOOR 823 00:26:35,963 --> 00:26:37,328 OF THE HOUSE. 824 00:26:37,331 --> 00:26:38,696 OR A MISDEMEANOR CONVICTION IN 825 00:26:38,699 --> 00:26:40,398 THE LAST FIVE YEARS WOULD ALSO 826 00:26:40,401 --> 00:26:40,765 BE BARRED FROM THE FLOOR OF THE 827 00:26:40,768 --> 00:26:43,001 HOUSE. 828 00:26:43,004 --> 00:26:44,502 THERE IS A REPORTER WHO HAS 829 00:26:44,505 --> 00:26:46,537 WRITTEN SOME VERY CRITICAL 830 00:26:46,540 --> 00:26:48,639 STORIES OF SPEAKER GALLEN, SOME 831 00:26:48,642 --> 00:26:49,774 THAT HAVE LAUNCHED AN ATTORNEY 832 00:26:49,777 --> 00:26:52,810 GENERAL'S INVESTIGATION ABOUT 833 00:26:52,813 --> 00:26:55,713 HIS USE OF STATE VEHICLES, WHO 834 00:26:55,716 --> 00:26:56,114 HAS AN ADMITTED MISDEMEANOR 835 00:26:56,117 --> 00:26:57,482 CONVICTION. 836 00:26:57,485 --> 00:26:59,484 AND SO HE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED 837 00:26:59,487 --> 00:26:59,951 ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE UNDER 838 00:26:59,954 --> 00:27:01,919 THIS. 839 00:27:01,922 --> 00:27:04,188 REPORTERS SAY THIS IS TARGETING, 840 00:27:04,191 --> 00:27:04,555 THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 841 00:27:04,558 --> 00:27:05,823 SECURITY. 842 00:27:05,826 --> 00:27:07,792 >> TIMING IS PRETTY UNIQUE. 843 00:27:07,795 --> 00:27:09,360 YOU HAVE COVERED THE CAPITOL FOR 844 00:27:09,363 --> 00:27:10,328 YEARS IN ARIZONA AND OTHER 845 00:27:10,331 --> 00:27:10,928 STATES, HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING 846 00:27:10,931 --> 00:27:13,164 LIKE THIS? 847 00:27:13,167 --> 00:27:14,465 >> IN FLORIDA WHEN I COVERED THE 848 00:27:14,468 --> 00:27:16,300 CAPITOL FOLLOWING SEPTEMBER 11 849 00:27:16,303 --> 00:27:17,869 WE HAD TO DO BACKGROUND CHECKS, 850 00:27:17,872 --> 00:27:20,738 JEB BUSH WAS GOVERNOR, WHAT 851 00:27:20,741 --> 00:27:22,106 THOSE CHECKS ALLOWED US TO DO 852 00:27:22,109 --> 00:27:24,142 WAS BYPASS SECURITY. 853 00:27:24,145 --> 00:27:26,711 ANY REPORTER, THOUGH, WITH A 854 00:27:26,714 --> 00:27:27,612 CREDENTIAL, A NON-CAPITOL 855 00:27:27,615 --> 00:27:29,781 CREDENTIAL COULD STILL GET INTO 856 00:27:29,784 --> 00:27:31,616 THE REPORTERS GALLERIES OR ON 857 00:27:31,619 --> 00:27:32,750 THE FLOOR AT SPECIFIC TIMES. 858 00:27:32,753 --> 00:27:33,651 THEY JUST COULDN'T BYPASS 859 00:27:33,654 --> 00:27:35,553 SECURITY TO DO IT. 860 00:27:35,556 --> 00:27:36,487 >> THIS COULD MAKE OUR JOBS A 861 00:27:36,490 --> 00:27:37,722 TAD MORE CHALLENGING. 862 00:27:37,725 --> 00:27:38,890 >> A BIT MORE. 863 00:27:38,893 --> 00:27:40,158 >> CHRISTOPHER, THANK YOU. 864 00:27:40,161 --> 00:27:40,758 AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR 865 00:27:40,761 --> 00:27:41,426 JOINING US. 866 00:27:41,429 --> 00:27:43,328 THAT'S OUR PROGRAM. 867 00:27:43,331 --> 00:27:44,862 FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC