WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:23.689 >>> FROM ARIZONA TO DELAWARE, TUCSON JOURNALISTS FOLLOW AN 00:23.691 --> 00:24.857 TUCSON JOURNALISTS FOLLOW AN UNDOCUMENTED WOMAN AND HER CHILD 00:24.859 --> 00:26.225 UNDOCUMENTED WOMAN AND HER CHILD ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 00:26.227 --> 00:27.359 ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >>> AND THEN BEING IN 00:27.361 --> 00:29.228 >>> AND THEN BEING IN WASHINGTON, D.C., IN THE 00:29.230 --> 00:33.298 WASHINGTON, D.C., IN THE CAPITAL, I REMEMBER YOU 00:33.300 --> 00:33.966 CAPITAL, I REMEMBER YOU MENTIONED IN SPANISH, BUT I 00:33.968 --> 00:35.467 MENTIONED IN SPANISH, BUT I PICKED UP ON IT, YOU MENTIONED 00:35.469 --> 00:36.468 PICKED UP ON IT, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF 00:36.470 --> 00:37.403 THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF THE UNITED STATES. 00:37.405 --> 00:38.270 THE UNITED STATES. I THINK THAT WAS A SURREAL 00:38.272 --> 00:38.604 I THINK THAT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT. 00:38.606 --> 00:40.339 MOMENT. >> AND HAS THE INFLUX OF UNA 00:40.341 --> 00:41.907 >> AND HAS THE INFLUX OF UNA COMPANIED MINORS FROM CENTRAL 00:41.909 --> 00:43.609 COMPANIED MINORS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA AFFECTED BORDER 00:43.611 --> 00:43.976 AMERICA AFFECTED BORDER SECURITY? 00:43.978 --> 00:46.445 SECURITY? ONE ANALYST WEIGHS IN. 00:46.447 --> 00:47.913 ONE ANALYST WEIGHS IN. >> THAT'S WHERE THE BORDER 00:47.915 --> 00:49.982 >> THAT'S WHERE THE BORDER SECURITY PROBLEM COMES IN THAT 00:49.984 --> 00:52.484 SECURITY PROBLEM COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE PAD 00:52.486 --> 00:53.819 WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE PAD GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH 00:53.821 --> 00:56.989 GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LEGISLATIVE INABILITY TO 00:56.991 --> 00:57.256 THE LEGISLATIVE INABILITY TO ACT. 00:57.258 --> 01:05.564 ACT. >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." 01:05.566 --> 01:05.898 >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." ¶ 01:05.900 --> 01:07.933 ¶ >>> IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE 01:07.935 --> 01:09.268 >>> IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF 01:09.270 --> 01:10.402 TENS OF THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED WOMEN AND CHILDREN 01:10.404 --> 01:12.438 UNDOCUMENTED WOMEN AND CHILDREN BEGAN MAKING THE TRIP TO THE 01:12.440 --> 01:13.172 BEGAN MAKING THE TRIP TO THE U.S. 01:13.174 --> 01:15.240 U.S. LAST WEEK TWO JOURNALISTS FROM 01:15.242 --> 01:19.845 LAST WEEK TWO JOURNALISTS FROM THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR" MET A 01:19.847 --> 01:21.180 THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR" MET A GAL MALAN WOMAN AND HER 01:21.182 --> 01:22.147 GAL MALAN WOMAN AND HER 6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. 01:22.149 --> 01:27.052 6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. THE 22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN AGREED TO 01:27.054 --> 01:27.619 THE 22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN AGREED TO LET THE REPORTER AND 01:27.621 --> 01:28.754 LET THE REPORTER AND PHOTOGRAPHER JOIN THEM ON THE 01:28.756 --> 01:31.790 PHOTOGRAPHER JOIN THEM ON THE LAST LEG OF THE JOURNEY. 01:31.792 --> 01:33.358 LAST LEG OF THE JOURNEY. HERE'S MIKE CHRISTIE OF "THE 01:33.360 --> 01:34.626 HERE'S MIKE CHRISTIE OF "THE ARIZONA DAILY STAR". 01:34.628 --> 01:39.465 ARIZONA DAILY STAR". >> I HAD BEEN THERE PROBABLY 01:39.467 --> 01:41.233 >> I HAD BEEN THERE PROBABLY AROUND 3:00, AND THERE WERE 01:41.235 --> 01:42.701 AROUND 3:00, AND THERE WERE SEVEN WOMEN WITH THEIR KIDS. 01:42.703 --> 01:43.869 SEVEN WOMEN WITH THEIR KIDS. THEY HAD JUST BEEN DROPPED OFF 01:43.871 --> 01:46.004 THEY HAD JUST BEEN DROPPED OFF BY BORDER PATROL AND I WAS JUST 01:46.006 --> 01:47.172 BY BORDER PATROL AND I WAS JUST TALKING TO ALL OF THEM AND 01:47.174 --> 01:48.640 TALKING TO ALL OF THEM AND SOMETHING CLICKED WITH KAREN. 01:48.642 --> 01:50.409 SOMETHING CLICKED WITH KAREN. SHE SEEMED OUTGOING AND I SAT 01:50.411 --> 01:52.978 SHE SEEMED OUTGOING AND I SAT DOWN AND STARTED TALKING TO HER 01:52.980 --> 01:54.480 DOWN AND STARTED TALKING TO HER AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HER 01:54.482 --> 01:57.082 AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HER STORY AND ASKED HER IF WE CAN 01:57.084 --> 01:57.583 STORY AND ASKED HER IF WE CAN COME ALONG. 01:57.585 --> 02:00.552 COME ALONG. WE ASKED IF THEY STILL HAD BUS 02:00.554 --> 02:02.454 WE ASKED IF THEY STILL HAD BUS TICKETS THAT TOOK US THE SAME 02:02.456 --> 02:04.289 TICKETS THAT TOOK US THE SAME ROUTE, AND BOUGHT OUR TICKETS 02:04.291 --> 02:06.091 ROUTE, AND BOUGHT OUR TICKETS AND GRABBED A BAG AND WE WERE 02:06.093 --> 02:06.558 AND GRABBED A BAG AND WE WERE READY TO GO. 02:06.560 --> 02:07.459 READY TO GO. >> AT THAT POINT YOU BROUGHT 02:07.461 --> 02:08.961 >> AT THAT POINT YOU BROUGHT YOUR PHOTOGRAPHER OVER AND SAID 02:08.963 --> 02:10.863 YOUR PHOTOGRAPHER OVER AND SAID HEY, MIKE, COME MEET KAREN AND 02:10.865 --> 02:12.764 HEY, MIKE, COME MEET KAREN AND HE'S COMING ALONG, TOO. 02:12.766 --> 02:14.900 HE'S COMING ALONG, TOO. >> YEAH, THAT WAS ME. 02:14.902 --> 02:16.969 >> YEAH, THAT WAS ME. I DIVERTED IT TO HER EFFORT 02:16.971 --> 02:18.103 I DIVERTED IT TO HER EFFORT HANDLING THE CONVERSATIONS. 02:18.105 --> 02:19.505 HANDLING THE CONVERSATIONS. I COULD UNDERSTAND AING BIT OF 02:19.507 --> 02:21.707 I COULD UNDERSTAND AING BIT OF SPANISH AND I SHOWED UP TO THE 02:21.709 --> 02:24.276 SPANISH AND I SHOWED UP TO THE BUS STATION PROBABLE ADMIDDAY AT 02:24.278 --> 02:26.712 BUS STATION PROBABLE ADMIDDAY AT 3:00 OR 4:00 AND PEARLA HAD BEEN 02:26.714 --> 02:28.514 3:00 OR 4:00 AND PEARLA HAD BEEN THERE FOR HOURS AND SHE WAS 02:28.516 --> 02:30.282 THERE FOR HOURS AND SHE WAS SITTING WITH KAREN AND I SAT ON 02:30.284 --> 02:31.450 SITTING WITH KAREN AND I SAT ON A BENCH IN FRONT OF THEM AND 02:31.452 --> 02:32.951 A BENCH IN FRONT OF THEM AND JUST KIND OF LISTENED TO THE 02:32.953 --> 02:33.385 JUST KIND OF LISTENED TO THE CONVERSATION. 02:33.387 --> 02:35.254 CONVERSATION. IT WAS ALL IN SPANISH, AND I 02:35.256 --> 02:36.989 IT WAS ALL IN SPANISH, AND I THINK WE WERE ON FOR 10 OR 15 02:36.991 --> 02:38.290 THINK WE WERE ON FOR 10 OR 15 MINUTES AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE 02:38.292 --> 02:40.759 MINUTES AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE LOOKING AT PERL ALIKE, ARE WE 02:40.761 --> 02:42.628 LOOKING AT PERL ALIKE, ARE WE GOOD TO GO, AND THIS IS GOING 02:42.630 --> 02:44.396 GOOD TO GO, AND THIS IS GOING FALL THROUGH AND WE'RE NOT GOING 02:44.398 --> 02:45.397 FALL THROUGH AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL BE 02:45.399 --> 02:46.665 TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL BE OPEN TO US GOING ALONG WITH THEM 02:46.667 --> 02:49.067 OPEN TO US GOING ALONG WITH THEM AND SO FINALLY, PERLA TURNS TO 02:49.069 --> 02:50.402 AND SO FINALLY, PERLA TURNS TO ME AND SAID THEY'RE OKAY WITH US 02:50.404 --> 02:51.603 ME AND SAID THEY'RE OKAY WITH US GOING WITH THEM. 02:51.605 --> 02:55.908 GOING WITH THEM. >> I SAID OKAY, WHERE ARE THEY 02:55.910 --> 02:56.208 >> I SAID OKAY, WHERE ARE THEY GOING? 02:56.210 --> 02:56.742 GOING? SHE SAID DELAWARE. 02:56.744 --> 02:57.976 SHE SAID DELAWARE. I SAID THAT'S ON THE EAST COAST 02:57.978 --> 02:59.578 I SAID THAT'S ON THE EAST COAST AND FROM THERE, WE WENT AND 02:59.580 --> 03:01.180 AND FROM THERE, WE WENT AND FOUND TWO TICKETS THE SAME AND 03:01.182 --> 03:01.947 FOUND TWO TICKETS THE SAME AND OFF WE WENT. 03:01.949 --> 03:03.348 OFF WE WENT. >> AND THE BUS MADE STOPS EVERY 03:03.350 --> 03:07.252 >> AND THE BUS MADE STOPS EVERY FOUR HOURS AND HOW MANY STATES 03:07.254 --> 03:07.986 FOUR HOURS AND HOW MANY STATES DID YOU CROSS THROUGH? 03:07.988 --> 03:08.387 DID YOU CROSS THROUGH? >> 12. 03:08.389 --> 03:09.254 >> 12. >> 12 OF THEM. 03:09.256 --> 03:10.789 >> 12 OF THEM. >> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING IN A 03:10.791 --> 03:11.056 >> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING IN A BUS? 03:11.058 --> 03:12.591 BUS? NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAD EVER 03:12.593 --> 03:14.626 NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAD EVER RIDDEN A BUS FOR THAT LONG OF A 03:14.628 --> 03:16.361 RIDDEN A BUS FOR THAT LONG OF A TIME PERIOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE 03:16.363 --> 03:17.796 TIME PERIOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR 03:17.798 --> 03:19.598 BEEN A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR YOU. 03:19.600 --> 03:20.899 YOU. >> THERE WERE SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL 03:20.901 --> 03:21.800 >> THERE WERE SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL HIGHS AND LOWS. 03:21.802 --> 03:23.669 HIGHS AND LOWS. I THINK YOU'RE ON A LITTLE BIT 03:23.671 --> 03:27.406 I THINK YOU'RE ON A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADRENALINE HIGH AS SOON AS 03:27.408 --> 03:29.374 OF AN ADRENALINE HIGH AS SOON AS YOU LEAVE LIKE, HOLY COW, WE'RE 03:29.376 --> 03:30.275 YOU LEAVE LIKE, HOLY COW, WE'RE REALLY DOING THIS. 03:30.277 --> 03:32.411 REALLY DOING THIS. WE LEFT LATE AT NIGHT AND WHEN 03:32.413 --> 03:34.846 WE LEFT LATE AT NIGHT AND WHEN WE GOT INTO EL PASO IT WAS 1:30 03:34.848 --> 03:37.549 WE GOT INTO EL PASO IT WAS 1:30 ORE 2:00 AND WE GOT IN THERE AND 03:37.551 --> 03:39.351 ORE 2:00 AND WE GOT IN THERE AND I LOOKED AT A MAP AND FELT HOW 03:39.353 --> 03:41.653 I LOOKED AT A MAP AND FELT HOW LONG WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING WHICH 03:41.655 --> 03:43.255 LONG WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING WHICH SEEMED LIKE A LONG TIME AND 03:43.257 --> 03:44.656 SEEMED LIKE A LONG TIME AND FOUND HOW SCANT A DISTANCE WE 03:44.658 --> 03:46.024 FOUND HOW SCANT A DISTANCE WE HAD ACTUALLY TRAVELED FROM 03:46.026 --> 03:47.426 HAD ACTUALLY TRAVELED FROM TUCSON AND THE REMAINDER OF IT 03:47.428 --> 03:48.760 TUCSON AND THE REMAINDER OF IT AND THAT'S WHEN IT SETTLED IN 03:48.762 --> 03:50.762 AND THAT'S WHEN IT SETTLED IN AND YOU KIND OF TRY TO PREPARE 03:50.764 --> 03:52.030 AND YOU KIND OF TRY TO PREPARE YOURSELF PSYCHOLOGICALLY WHILE 03:52.032 --> 03:53.732 YOURSELF PSYCHOLOGICALLY WHILE ALSO KNOWING WE HAVE A JOB TO DO 03:53.734 --> 03:58.971 ALSO KNOWING WE HAVE A JOB TO DO AND A STORY TO TELL. 03:58.973 --> 04:00.872 AND A STORY TO TELL. >> WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, PERLA, 04:00.874 --> 04:02.774 >> WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, PERLA, ASKING QUESTIONS AND MOM KAREN 04:02.776 --> 04:04.509 ASKING QUESTIONS AND MOM KAREN IS DAUGHTER AND HER DAUGHTER 04:04.511 --> 04:06.578 IS DAUGHTER AND HER DAUGHTER LISSETTE IS 6 AND SHE WAS 04:06.580 --> 04:07.079 LISSETTE IS 6 AND SHE WAS EXHAUSTED HERSELF. 04:07.081 --> 04:08.413 EXHAUSTED HERSELF. DID YOU HAVE MUCH OPPORTUNITY 04:08.415 --> 04:09.848 DID YOU HAVE MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR THE Q AND A. 04:09.850 --> 04:10.749 FOR THE Q AND A. >> I WAITED. 04:10.751 --> 04:16.154 >> I WAITED. ANOTHER LADY WAS ALSO TRAVELING. 04:16.156 --> 04:17.689 ANOTHER LADY WAS ALSO TRAVELING. SHE GOT OFF IN MISSISSIPPI. 04:17.691 --> 04:18.957 SHE GOT OFF IN MISSISSIPPI. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THE 04:18.959 --> 04:19.992 AND I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THE PERSONAL QUESTIONS WITH THE 04:19.994 --> 04:21.960 PERSONAL QUESTIONS WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND AND I WAITED 04:21.962 --> 04:23.295 OTHER PEOPLE AROUND AND I WAITED AFTER MISSISSIPPI AND I WAITED 04:23.297 --> 04:25.264 AFTER MISSISSIPPI AND I WAITED UNTIL DAY THREE AND BY THAT 04:25.266 --> 04:26.431 UNTIL DAY THREE AND BY THAT POINT I WAS FEELING ANXIOUS AND 04:26.433 --> 04:28.200 POINT I WAS FEELING ANXIOUS AND YOU'RE SPENDING ALL OF THIS TIME 04:28.202 --> 04:30.736 YOU'RE SPENDING ALL OF THIS TIME AND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED TO 04:30.738 --> 04:31.436 AND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED TO THEM AND SO BASICALLY BEFORE 04:31.438 --> 04:33.272 THEM AND SO BASICALLY BEFORE THAT IT WAS JUST WHEN WE GOT OFF 04:33.274 --> 04:34.873 THAT IT WAS JUST WHEN WE GOT OFF WE WOULD JUST HAVE A NORMAL 04:34.875 --> 04:35.807 WE WOULD JUST HAVE A NORMAL CONVERSATION AND FROM THERE I 04:35.809 --> 04:37.142 CONVERSATION AND FROM THERE I WOULD GET BACK TO THE BUS AND 04:37.144 --> 04:38.610 WOULD GET BACK TO THE BUS AND START TAKING NOTES FROM WHAT WE 04:38.612 --> 04:43.282 START TAKING NOTES FROM WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AND MY FIRST 04:43.284 --> 04:44.883 HAD TALKED ABOUT AND MY FIRST SITDOWN, Q AND A WAS IN DALLAS 04:44.885 --> 04:45.784 SITDOWN, Q AND A WAS IN DALLAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 04:45.786 --> 04:46.952 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS THE THIRD DAY THAT WE 04:46.954 --> 04:49.788 IT WAS THE THIRD DAY THAT WE WERE THERE AND I KNEW I HAD TO 04:49.790 --> 04:51.657 WERE THERE AND I KNEW I HAD TO GET IT DONE BEFORE WE GOT TO 04:51.659 --> 04:52.691 GET IT DONE BEFORE WE GOT TO DELAWARE BECAUSE THEN THERE 04:52.693 --> 04:53.692 DELAWARE BECAUSE THEN THERE WOULD BE OTHER THINGS GOING. 04:53.694 --> 04:55.627 WOULD BE OTHER THINGS GOING. >> MIKE, THERE HAD TOO TO HAVE 04:55.629 --> 04:56.962 >> MIKE, THERE HAD TOO TO HAVE BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR YOU AS A 04:56.964 --> 04:58.363 BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR YOU AS A PHOTOGRAPHER WITH A PRETTY GOOD 04:58.365 --> 05:00.432 PHOTOGRAPHER WITH A PRETTY GOOD SIZED CAMERA, KIND OF RESPECTING 05:00.434 --> 05:01.566 SIZED CAMERA, KIND OF RESPECTING THEIR PRIVACY. 05:01.568 --> 05:02.200 THEIR PRIVACY. >> UH-HUH. 05:02.202 --> 05:04.202 >> UH-HUH. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THING, I 05:04.204 --> 05:05.971 YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THING, I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT WITH MY 05:05.973 --> 05:07.339 SPOKE A LITTLE BIT WITH MY EDITOR ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO 05:07.341 --> 05:08.206 EDITOR ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO ATTACK IT. 05:08.208 --> 05:10.976 ATTACK IT. ON ANY OTHER GENERAL DAILY 05:10.978 --> 05:14.012 ON ANY OTHER GENERAL DAILY ASSIGNMENT I ATTACK THINGS 05:14.014 --> 05:15.280 ASSIGNMENT I ATTACK THINGS FAIRLY AGGRESSIVELY AND I CAN 05:15.282 --> 05:17.516 FAIRLY AGGRESSIVELY AND I CAN PUT IT ON A HIGH BURST RATE AND 05:17.518 --> 05:19.418 PUT IT ON A HIGH BURST RATE AND FIRE OFF FRAMES LIKE IT'S A 05:19.420 --> 05:20.085 FIRE OFF FRAMES LIKE IT'S A MACHINE GUN. 05:20.087 --> 05:22.254 MACHINE GUN. WITH THIS, THE ATTACK WAS ALMOST 05:22.256 --> 05:24.089 WITH THIS, THE ATTACK WAS ALMOST MORE OF AN OLD SCHOOL APPROACH. 05:24.091 --> 05:28.293 MORE OF AN OLD SCHOOL APPROACH. I TOOK ONE CAMERA BODY AND A 05:28.295 --> 05:30.329 I TOOK ONE CAMERA BODY AND A WIDE-ANGLE LENS AND A MID-RANGE 05:30.331 --> 05:31.563 WIDE-ANGLE LENS AND A MID-RANGE LENS AND NOTHING THAT WAS BIGGER 05:31.565 --> 05:33.799 LENS AND NOTHING THAT WAS BIGGER THAN, SAY, OUT TO HERE. 05:33.801 --> 05:35.100 THAN, SAY, OUT TO HERE. SO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS A 05:35.102 --> 05:36.635 SO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE. 05:36.637 --> 05:40.038 LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE. WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, 05:40.040 --> 05:42.007 WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING WITH 05:42.009 --> 05:45.143 YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING WITH THAT AND I TRIED TO FURTHER THAT 05:45.145 --> 05:46.812 THAT AND I TRIED TO FURTHER THAT ALONG AND I COULD KEEP THE 05:46.814 --> 05:48.413 ALONG AND I COULD KEEP THE CONVERSATIONS GOING WITH IT. 05:48.415 --> 05:52.117 CONVERSATIONS GOING WITH IT. AND THE CHALLENGE MORE SO LAY 05:52.119 --> 05:53.852 AND THE CHALLENGE MORE SO LAY WITH THE OTHER PASSENGERS ON THE 05:53.854 --> 05:54.119 WITH THE OTHER PASSENGERS ON THE BUS. 05:54.121 --> 05:57.456 BUS. I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION 05:57.458 --> 05:59.391 I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF BECAUSE AN EXPENSIVE 05:59.393 --> 06:01.226 TO MYSELF BECAUSE AN EXPENSIVE CAMERA BODY KIND OF STICKS OUT. 06:01.228 --> 06:03.628 CAMERA BODY KIND OF STICKS OUT. SO I KIND OF HAD TO METER MY 06:03.630 --> 06:04.329 SO I KIND OF HAD TO METER MY SHOTS. 06:04.331 --> 06:06.331 SHOTS. I COULDN'T FIRE OFF SIX, SEVEN 06:06.333 --> 06:06.965 I COULDN'T FIRE OFF SIX, SEVEN FRAMES A SECOND. 06:06.967 --> 06:10.202 FRAMES A SECOND. I PUT IT ON -- MY CAMERA ON A 06:10.204 --> 06:12.237 I PUT IT ON -- MY CAMERA ON A SLOWER SAFETY MODE, A LITTLE BIT 06:12.239 --> 06:13.939 SLOWER SAFETY MODE, A LITTLE BIT SILENT AND SO I COULD FIRE OFF 06:13.941 --> 06:16.341 SILENT AND SO I COULD FIRE OFF ONE FRAME AT A TIME AND TWO 06:16.343 --> 06:17.776 ONE FRAME AT A TIME AND TWO FRAMES AT A TIME AND LOOK AT IT 06:17.778 --> 06:19.644 FRAMES AT A TIME AND LOOK AT IT AND ADJUF THE FOCUS AND I DIDN'T 06:19.646 --> 06:20.979 AND ADJUF THE FOCUS AND I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF 06:20.981 --> 06:22.247 WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF AND RESPECT A LITTLE BIT OF 06:22.249 --> 06:25.584 AND RESPECT A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR PRIVACY, BUT THEY LET US 06:25.586 --> 06:26.585 THEIR PRIVACY, BUT THEY LET US IN ON THESE MOMENTS AND I DIDN'T 06:26.587 --> 06:28.487 IN ON THESE MOMENTS AND I DIDN'T WANT TO LET THEM SLIP AWAY. 06:28.489 --> 06:30.489 WANT TO LET THEM SLIP AWAY. >> EMOTIONALLY, THERE HAD TO 06:30.491 --> 06:31.690 >> EMOTIONALLY, THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY TOUGH 06:31.692 --> 06:33.225 HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY TOUGH TIMES WHEN MOM IS WORRIED ABOUT 06:33.227 --> 06:35.560 TIMES WHEN MOM IS WORRIED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILD AND 06:35.562 --> 06:36.294 THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILD AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL MAKE IT 06:36.296 --> 06:37.596 WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL MAKE IT ALL OF THE WAY TO DELAWARE AND 06:37.598 --> 06:39.297 ALL OF THE WAY TO DELAWARE AND HOW DID YOU FILTER THROUGH THE 06:39.299 --> 06:40.465 HOW DID YOU FILTER THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RESPECTING THEIR TIME 06:40.467 --> 06:43.135 PROCESS OF RESPECTING THEIR TIME AND THEIR EMOTION DURING THIS 06:43.137 --> 06:44.469 AND THEIR EMOTION DURING THIS PROBABLY PRETTY TERRIFYING 06:44.471 --> 06:44.870 PROBABLY PRETTY TERRIFYING EXPERIENCE? 06:44.872 --> 06:46.638 EXPERIENCE? >> I THINK THE HARDEST PART FOR 06:46.640 --> 06:49.007 >> I THINK THE HARDEST PART FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO 06:49.009 --> 06:49.341 THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO MEXICO. 06:49.343 --> 06:52.177 MEXICO. I THINK HAVING THE VOLUNTEERS AT 06:52.179 --> 06:53.645 I THINK HAVING THE VOLUNTEERS AT THE GREYHOUND STATION MADE A 06:53.647 --> 06:54.980 THE GREYHOUND STATION MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM BECAUSE 06:54.982 --> 06:56.348 HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO 06:56.350 --> 06:58.283 THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO NAVIGATE THIS ON THEIR OWN AND 06:58.285 --> 07:00.051 NAVIGATE THIS ON THEIR OWN AND THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE, YOU 07:00.053 --> 07:01.720 THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH A SMILE AND GIVING 07:01.722 --> 07:03.422 KNOW, WITH A SMILE AND GIVING THEM HUGS AND WALKING THEM 07:03.424 --> 07:04.656 THEM HUGS AND WALKING THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS. 07:04.658 --> 07:06.658 THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO I THINK -- AND ALSO BECAUSE 07:06.660 --> 07:07.926 SO I THINK -- AND ALSO BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE BUS WITH THEM 07:07.928 --> 07:09.294 WE WERE IN THE BUS WITH THEM THEY NEVER REALLY FELT THEY WERE 07:09.296 --> 07:10.429 THEY NEVER REALLY FELT THEY WERE GOING TO GET LOST. 07:10.431 --> 07:11.930 GOING TO GET LOST. I THINK WE ALL AT SOME POINT 07:11.932 --> 07:13.465 I THINK WE ALL AT SOME POINT THOUGHT WE WOULD GET LOST OR THE 07:13.467 --> 07:15.333 THOUGHT WE WOULD GET LOST OR THE BUS WAS LEAVING WITHOUT US, BUT 07:15.335 --> 07:16.568 BUS WAS LEAVING WITHOUT US, BUT I THINK FACT THAT WE WERE THERE 07:16.570 --> 07:19.604 I THINK FACT THAT WE WERE THERE WAS REASSURING AND UNFRNLY, I 07:19.606 --> 07:21.840 WAS REASSURING AND UNFRNLY, I THINK THE MOST DIFFICULT PART 07:21.842 --> 07:24.242 THINK THE MOST DIFFICULT PART FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO 07:24.244 --> 07:26.578 FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO MEXICO AND WE WERE NOT THERE TO 07:26.580 --> 07:27.746 MEXICO AND WE WERE NOT THERE TO SEE THAT. 07:27.748 --> 07:29.581 SEE THAT. WE JUST HAD TO ASK QUESTIONS TO 07:29.583 --> 07:31.817 WE JUST HAD TO ASK QUESTIONS TO NARRATE THAT PART OF THE STORY 07:31.819 --> 07:32.884 NARRATE THAT PART OF THE STORY THROUGH THEIR VOICE, BUT I THINK 07:32.886 --> 07:34.853 THROUGH THEIR VOICE, BUT I THINK THE HARDEST PART FROM THE -- 07:34.855 --> 07:37.889 THE HARDEST PART FROM THE -- FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE WAS JUST 07:37.891 --> 07:41.026 FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE WAS JUST MISSING HER FAMILY AND WE DID 07:41.028 --> 07:42.994 MISSING HER FAMILY AND WE DID SEE ON WEDNESDAY IT HAD BEEN A 07:42.996 --> 07:44.129 SEE ON WEDNESDAY IT HAD BEEN A WOKE SINCE SHE'D LEFT AND SHE 07:44.131 --> 07:45.931 WOKE SINCE SHE'D LEFT AND SHE WAS PONDERING AND I ASKED HER 07:45.933 --> 07:47.432 WAS PONDERING AND I ASKED HER LATER ON WHAT WERE YOU THINKING 07:47.434 --> 07:49.334 LATER ON WHAT WERE YOU THINKING WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING OUT THE 07:49.336 --> 07:49.668 WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW. 07:49.670 --> 07:51.470 WINDOW. SHE SAID TODAY IS A WEEK I LEFT 07:51.472 --> 07:52.571 SHE SAID TODAY IS A WEEK I LEFT MY HOME AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN 07:52.573 --> 07:54.139 MY HOME AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN I'LL SEE MY PARENTS AGAIN. 07:54.141 --> 07:55.907 I'LL SEE MY PARENTS AGAIN. I THINK IT WAS MORE OF AN 07:55.909 --> 07:57.609 I THINK IT WAS MORE OF AN EMOTIONAL MORE THAN A SCARY 07:57.611 --> 08:00.278 EMOTIONAL MORE THAN A SCARY FEELING FOR THEM AT THAT POINT. 08:00.280 --> 08:01.513 FEELING FOR THEM AT THAT POINT. >> MIKE, CAPTURING THAT EMOTION, 08:01.515 --> 08:02.914 >> MIKE, CAPTURING THAT EMOTION, YOU DID VERY WELL IN THE PHOTOS 08:02.916 --> 08:06.852 YOU DID VERY WELL IN THE PHOTOS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE. 08:06.854 --> 08:08.620 THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE. THAT WAS A TRACK TRICKY PART FO 08:08.622 --> 08:09.888 THAT WAS A TRACK TRICKY PART FO BECAUSE WE HAVE A 6-YEAR-OLD 08:09.890 --> 08:11.756 BECAUSE WE HAVE A 6-YEAR-OLD GIRL WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER 08:11.758 --> 08:14.793 GIRL WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER FUTURE HOLDS AND A MOM EMBARKING 08:14.795 --> 08:16.261 FUTURE HOLDS AND A MOM EMBARKING ON THIS JOURNEY. 08:16.263 --> 08:18.029 ON THIS JOURNEY. >> SHE WAS VERY OUTGOING AND SHE 08:18.031 --> 08:21.766 >> SHE WAS VERY OUTGOING AND SHE SLEPT A LOT, BUT THE TIME SHE 08:21.768 --> 08:24.269 SLEPT A LOT, BUT THE TIME SHE WAS AWAKE SHE WAS FURIOUSLY 08:24.271 --> 08:28.006 WAS AWAKE SHE WAS FURIOUSLY COLORING IN A KOHL ORG BOOK OR 08:28.008 --> 08:31.009 COLORING IN A KOHL ORG BOOK OR FEEDING CHEETOS TO A STUFFED 08:31.011 --> 08:31.343 FEEDING CHEETOS TO A STUFFED PENGUIN. 08:31.345 --> 08:32.744 PENGUIN. SHE WAS RECEPTIVE AND YOUNGER 08:32.746 --> 08:34.846 SHE WAS RECEPTIVE AND YOUNGER KIDS ARE ENAMORED WITH THE 08:34.848 --> 08:35.847 KIDS ARE ENAMORED WITH THE CAMERA AND SOMEONE PAYING 08:35.849 --> 08:37.048 CAMERA AND SOMEONE PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM AND I THINK 08:37.050 --> 08:38.850 ATTENTION TO THEM AND I THINK AFTER A WHILE SHE KIND OF 08:38.852 --> 08:40.085 AFTER A WHILE SHE KIND OF LEARNED THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO 08:40.087 --> 08:41.052 LEARNED THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ME. 08:41.054 --> 08:43.221 LOOK AT ME. SHE CAN IGNORE ME AND DO HER OWN 08:43.223 --> 08:44.489 SHE CAN IGNORE ME AND DO HER OWN THING WHICH IS WHAT I NEED AND 08:44.491 --> 08:46.658 THING WHICH IS WHAT I NEED AND THE MOMENTS BETWEEN HER MOM 08:46.660 --> 08:48.026 THE MOMENTS BETWEEN HER MOM AUFSH TIMES, THEY WERE ASLEEP 08:48.028 --> 08:49.494 AUFSH TIMES, THEY WERE ASLEEP AND GROGGY AND YOU CAN CAN SEE 08:49.496 --> 08:51.029 AND GROGGY AND YOU CAN CAN SEE SOME TYPE OF EMOTION IN THEM AND 08:51.031 --> 08:52.464 SOME TYPE OF EMOTION IN THEM AND I THINK THE LEAD PHOTOGRAPH FROM 08:52.466 --> 08:56.801 I THINK THE LEAD PHOTOGRAPH FROM THIS ASSIGNMENT WAS A PICTURE IN 08:56.803 --> 08:58.236 THIS ASSIGNMENT WAS A PICTURE IN THE EARLY MORNING LIGHT AND SHE 08:58.238 --> 09:01.172 THE EARLY MORNING LIGHT AND SHE WAS KIND OF LAYING ASLEEP AND 09:01.174 --> 09:02.941 WAS KIND OF LAYING ASLEEP AND KAREN WAS KIND OF LEANING OVER 09:02.943 --> 09:04.743 KAREN WAS KIND OF LEANING OVER HER AND LOOKING AT HER IN AND 09:04.745 --> 09:05.977 HER AND LOOKING AT HER IN AND OUT WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH THE 09:05.979 --> 09:07.445 OUT WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE TRIP FOR THEM AND IT WAS 09:07.447 --> 09:10.081 WHOLE TRIP FOR THEM AND IT WAS JUST KIND OF THIS MOMENT THAT 09:10.083 --> 09:11.683 JUST KIND OF THIS MOMENT THAT WAS SHARED BETWEEN THEM AND 09:11.685 --> 09:13.151 WAS SHARED BETWEEN THEM AND EMBODIED THEIR TRIP FROM TUCSON 09:13.153 --> 09:13.885 EMBODIED THEIR TRIP FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE. 09:13.887 --> 09:15.654 TO DELAWARE. >> IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING HOW 09:15.656 --> 09:19.090 >> IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING HOW QUICKLY THEY LEARNED TO IGNORE 09:19.092 --> 09:19.391 QUICKLY THEY LEARNED TO IGNORE MIKE. 09:19.393 --> 09:20.725 MIKE. THEY STOPPED PAYING COMPLETE 09:20.727 --> 09:24.162 THEY STOPPED PAYING COMPLETE ATTENTION TO THEM LIKE HAVING A 09:24.164 --> 09:26.831 ATTENTION TO THEM LIKE HAVING A PHOTOGRAPH OR CAMERA SHOOTING 09:26.833 --> 09:28.633 PHOTOGRAPH OR CAMERA SHOOTING PHOTOS AND THAT IS OFTEN 09:28.635 --> 09:29.367 PHOTOS AND THAT IS OFTEN DIFFICULT TO HAVE PEOPLE STARING 09:29.369 --> 09:30.135 DIFFICULT TO HAVE PEOPLE STARING INTO THE CAMERA. 09:30.137 --> 09:31.703 INTO THE CAMERA. THEY GET OVER THAT PRETTY 09:31.705 --> 09:32.037 THEY GET OVER THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. 09:32.039 --> 09:33.772 QUICKLY. >> SO THEN YOU GET CLOSER TO 09:33.774 --> 09:35.507 >> SO THEN YOU GET CLOSER TO DELAWARE, THE EMOTIONS START TO 09:35.509 --> 09:36.074 DELAWARE, THE EMOTIONS START TO FEEL DIFFERENT. 09:36.076 --> 09:38.310 FEEL DIFFERENT. KAREN AND LIZETTE, ARE THEY 09:38.312 --> 09:39.744 KAREN AND LIZETTE, ARE THEY EXCITED ALL OF A SUDDEN? 09:39.746 --> 09:41.479 EXCITED ALL OF A SUDDEN? >> LIZETTE WAS MOSTLY TIRED. 09:41.481 --> 09:43.481 >> LIZETTE WAS MOSTLY TIRED. I THINK THE MORNING BEFORE WE 09:43.483 --> 09:44.816 I THINK THE MORNING BEFORE WE GOT TO DELAWARE, SHE SAID I 09:44.818 --> 09:46.318 GOT TO DELAWARE, SHE SAID I DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL ANYMORE. 09:46.320 --> 09:47.118 DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL ANYMORE. SHE WAS DONE. 09:47.120 --> 09:49.387 SHE WAS DONE. SHE WAS EXHAUSTED AND SHE JUST 09:49.389 --> 09:52.490 SHE WAS EXHAUSTED AND SHE JUST UPONED TO BE OVER WITH IT, AND I 09:52.492 --> 09:54.025 UPONED TO BE OVER WITH IT, AND I THINK, KAREN, A LITTLE BIT OF 09:54.027 --> 09:55.026 THINK, KAREN, A LITTLE BIT OF THE SAME THING. 09:55.028 --> 09:56.494 THE SAME THING. I THINK IT WAS MORE EXHAUSTION 09:56.496 --> 09:58.029 I THINK IT WAS MORE EXHAUSTION THAN EXCITEMENT UNTIL WE GOT TO 09:58.031 --> 09:59.464 THAN EXCITEMENT UNTIL WE GOT TO THE BUS STATION OR TO THE BUS 09:59.466 --> 10:02.400 THE BUS STATION OR TO THE BUS STOP AND SHE SAW THE BROTHER GET 10:02.402 --> 10:04.035 STOP AND SHE SAW THE BROTHER GET OUT, AND YOU REALLY SAW THE 10:04.037 --> 10:05.570 OUT, AND YOU REALLY SAW THE EMOTION AND YOU THINK ABOUT A 10:05.572 --> 10:07.105 EMOTION AND YOU THINK ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU THINK A 10:07.107 --> 10:09.007 YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU THINK A YEAR AND A HALF, NOT THAT LONG 10:09.009 --> 10:11.176 YEAR AND A HALF, NOT THAT LONG OR FOR SOME FAMILIES IT'S A LOT 10:11.178 --> 10:13.144 OR FOR SOME FAMILIES IT'S A LOT LONGER, BUT SEEING THE EMOTION 10:13.146 --> 10:14.613 LONGER, BUT SEEING THE EMOTION BETWEEN THE TWO SIBLINGS AND 10:14.615 --> 10:17.048 BETWEEN THE TWO SIBLINGS AND BETWEEN THE BROTHER AND LIZETTE, 10:17.050 --> 10:18.617 BETWEEN THE BROTHER AND LIZETTE, YOU WOULD HAVE THINK THEY HADN'T 10:18.619 --> 10:20.652 YOU WOULD HAVE THINK THEY HADN'T SEEN EACH OTHER IN A MUCH, MUCH 10:20.654 --> 10:21.252 SEEN EACH OTHER IN A MUCH, MUCH LONGER TIME. 10:21.254 --> 10:23.021 LONGER TIME. THEY WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO 10:23.023 --> 10:24.055 THEY WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO ON HUG EACH OTHER 10:24.057 --> 10:29.628 BE ABLE TO ON HUG EACH OTHER AGAIN. 10:29.630 --> 10:34.699 AGAIN. AND ALSO CAPTURING IT, AND THE 10:34.701 --> 10:36.801 AND ALSO CAPTURING IT, AND THE TRICKY PART IS AT THE END AS WE 10:36.803 --> 10:37.936 TRICKY PART IS AT THE END AS WE WERE BANKING ON HER BROTHER AND 10:37.938 --> 10:39.738 WERE BANKING ON HER BROTHER AND THE FAMILY BEING RECEPTIVE FOR 10:39.740 --> 10:42.507 THE FAMILY BEING RECEPTIVE FOR HAVING US ALONG TO GET MORE OF 10:42.509 --> 10:43.274 HAVING US ALONG TO GET MORE OF THEIR STORY. 10:43.276 --> 10:44.743 THEIR STORY. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO 10:44.745 --> 10:47.278 THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO WHEN HE HOPPED OFF THE MINIVAN 10:47.280 --> 10:48.580 WHEN HE HOPPED OFF THE MINIVAN AND AFTER A YEAR AND A HALF WAS 10:48.582 --> 10:49.781 AND AFTER A YEAR AND A HALF WAS TO BE IN HIS FACE WITH THE 10:49.783 --> 10:51.583 TO BE IN HIS FACE WITH THE CAMERA FIRING OFF FRAMES AND 10:51.585 --> 10:54.586 CAMERA FIRING OFF FRAMES AND WHILE I MAY HAVE SACRIFICED 10:54.588 --> 10:55.920 WHILE I MAY HAVE SACRIFICED MISSING AN INITIAL MOMENT I WAS 10:55.922 --> 10:58.790 MISSING AN INITIAL MOMENT I WAS ABLE TO GET THE MOMENT WITH HIM 10:58.792 --> 11:02.460 ABLE TO GET THE MOMENT WITH HIM AND KAREN WHEN THEY WERE HUGGING 11:02.462 --> 11:03.495 AND KAREN WHEN THEY WERE HUGGING AND SHE WAS QUITE EMOTIONAL AND 11:03.497 --> 11:04.996 AND SHE WAS QUITE EMOTIONAL AND BY GIVING THAT LITTLE RESPECT 11:04.998 --> 11:07.699 BY GIVING THAT LITTLE RESPECT AND BARRIER TO THEM MADE THEM 11:07.701 --> 11:09.901 AND BARRIER TO THEM MADE THEM FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US 11:09.903 --> 11:11.036 FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US BECAUSE UP UNTIL THAT POINT IT 11:11.038 --> 11:13.171 BECAUSE UP UNTIL THAT POINT IT WAS UP IN THE AIR. 11:13.173 --> 11:15.306 WAS UP IN THE AIR. AS THEY WERE SAYING YEAH, COME 11:15.308 --> 11:16.441 AS THEY WERE SAYING YEAH, COME ON ALONG WITH US OR YOU'VE COME 11:16.443 --> 11:18.009 ON ALONG WITH US OR YOU'VE COME TOO FAR. 11:18.011 --> 11:18.943 TOO FAR. >> WHAT ABOUT THOSE MOMENTS OF 11:18.945 --> 11:22.013 >> WHAT ABOUT THOSE MOMENTS OF BEING INSIDE A STORE, WATCHING 11:22.015 --> 11:24.249 BEING INSIDE A STORE, WATCHING LITTLE LIZETTE EAT A POPSICLE 11:24.251 --> 11:28.253 LITTLE LIZETTE EAT A POPSICLE AND CHINESE TAKEOUT FOOD AND 11:28.255 --> 11:29.454 AND CHINESE TAKEOUT FOOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN UNUSUAL 11:29.456 --> 11:30.522 THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN UNUSUAL EXPERIENCE AND NOW YOU'RE 11:30.524 --> 11:31.756 EXPERIENCE AND NOW YOU'RE PHOTOGRAPHING THE THINGS SOME OF 11:31.758 --> 11:32.891 PHOTOGRAPHING THE THINGS SOME OF US TAKE FOR GRANTED. 11:32.893 --> 11:33.358 US TAKE FOR GRANTED. >> YEAH. 11:33.360 --> 11:35.427 >> YEAH. YOU KNOW, MY APPROACH KIND OF 11:35.429 --> 11:39.764 YOU KNOW, MY APPROACH KIND OF GOING INTO IT WAS PUTTING THEM 11:39.766 --> 11:41.700 GOING INTO IT WAS PUTTING THEM IN THE CONTEXT. 11:41.702 --> 11:43.368 IN THE CONTEXT. ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE 11:43.370 --> 11:44.936 ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE RUN WAS A PICTURE LATE AT NIGHT 11:44.938 --> 11:47.839 RUN WAS A PICTURE LATE AT NIGHT AND THERE IS A KFC LOGO GOING BY 11:47.841 --> 11:49.507 AND THERE IS A KFC LOGO GOING BY AND TO THAT POINT I KEPT TRYING 11:49.509 --> 11:51.009 AND TO THAT POINT I KEPT TRYING TO MAKE A MOMENT TO FRAME THINGS 11:51.011 --> 11:53.211 TO MAKE A MOMENT TO FRAME THINGS AND WE WENT TO BARSTOW, TEXAS 11:53.213 --> 11:55.780 AND WE WENT TO BARSTOW, TEXAS AND THERE WAS A WATER TOWER THAT 11:55.782 --> 11:59.117 AND THERE WAS A WATER TOWER THAT WAS JUST EMPTY DESERT AND TEXAS 11:59.119 --> 11:59.417 WAS JUST EMPTY DESERT AND TEXAS LAND. 11:59.419 --> 12:01.386 LAND. SO WELL IS A PICTURE OF KAREN 12:01.388 --> 12:02.987 SO WELL IS A PICTURE OF KAREN STARING OUT THE WINDOW WHILE YOU 12:02.989 --> 12:05.423 STARING OUT THE WINDOW WHILE YOU HAVE THIS AMERICANA FLYING BY IN 12:05.425 --> 12:07.659 HAVE THIS AMERICANA FLYING BY IN THE WINDSHIELD AND WALMART. 12:07.661 --> 12:10.195 THE WINDSHIELD AND WALMART. WALMART IS A QUINT ESSENTIAL 12:10.197 --> 12:11.463 WALMART IS A QUINT ESSENTIAL KIND OF AMERICA AND IT'S COMMON 12:11.465 --> 12:13.565 KIND OF AMERICA AND IT'S COMMON TO US AND NOT SO MUCH TO THEM. 12:13.567 --> 12:16.034 TO US AND NOT SO MUCH TO THEM. I FIGURED A PICTURE OR TWO IN 12:16.036 --> 12:17.368 I FIGURED A PICTURE OR TWO IN THERE WHILE TRYING TO STAY LOW 12:17.370 --> 12:20.071 THERE WHILE TRYING TO STAY LOW AND NOT DRAWING ATTENTION TO 12:20.073 --> 12:21.539 AND NOT DRAWING ATTENTION TO MYSELF WAS QUINT ESSENTIAL TO 12:21.541 --> 12:23.374 MYSELF WAS QUINT ESSENTIAL TO THAT AS WELL. 12:23.376 --> 12:25.176 THAT AS WELL. >> AFTER DAYS, YOU SAID WE'RE 12:25.178 --> 12:26.377 >> AFTER DAYS, YOU SAID WE'RE HERE AND NOW WE'LL WATCH. 12:26.379 --> 12:27.846 HERE AND NOW WE'LL WATCH. YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT THE 12:27.848 --> 12:29.214 YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT THE FAMILY JUST WANTED TO BE A 12:29.216 --> 12:29.881 FAMILY JUST WANTED TO BE A FAMILY AGAIN. 12:29.883 --> 12:30.849 FAMILY AGAIN. >> YEAH. 12:30.851 --> 12:34.152 >> YEAH. IT JUST HAPPENS SO THAT THE 12:34.154 --> 12:35.820 IT JUST HAPPENS SO THAT THE FIRST DAY THAT -- AS SOON AS WE 12:35.822 --> 12:38.022 FIRST DAY THAT -- AS SOON AS WE GOT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 12:38.024 --> 12:39.557 GOT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HAVING DINNER TOGETHER AND 12:39.559 --> 12:40.759 HAVING DINNER TOGETHER AND TAKING BATHS AND IT WAS REALLY 12:40.761 --> 12:42.427 TAKING BATHS AND IT WAS REALLY CUTE THAT LIZETTE RIGHT AWAY 12:42.429 --> 12:43.762 CUTE THAT LIZETTE RIGHT AWAY WANTED TO WEAR THE NEW CLOTHES 12:43.764 --> 12:45.930 WANTED TO WEAR THE NEW CLOTHES THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FOR HER AT 12:45.932 --> 12:49.501 THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FOR HER AT WALMART, AND THEY WANTED TIME -- 12:49.503 --> 12:51.870 WALMART, AND THEY WANTED TIME -- YOU COULD TELL THEY WANTED TIME 12:51.872 --> 12:53.505 YOU COULD TELL THEY WANTED TIME FOR THEMSELVES AND IT'S NOT THE 12:53.507 --> 12:55.140 FOR THEMSELVES AND IT'S NOT THE SAME THING TO HAVE A REUNION 12:55.142 --> 12:56.641 SAME THING TO HAVE A REUNION WITH TWO JOURNALISTS IN YOUR 12:56.643 --> 12:58.777 WITH TWO JOURNALISTS IN YOUR FACE AND SO WE -- EVEN THOUGH 12:58.779 --> 13:00.411 FACE AND SO WE -- EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD BEEN VERY OPEN AND 13:00.413 --> 13:02.480 THEY HAD BEEN VERY OPEN AND RECEPTIVE TO US, YOU KIND OF GOT 13:02.482 --> 13:04.516 RECEPTIVE TO US, YOU KIND OF GOT THE FEELING THAT THEY WANTED THE 13:04.518 --> 13:06.351 THE FEELING THAT THEY WANTED THE DOWN TIME TO TALK ABOUT THEIR 13:06.353 --> 13:07.819 DOWN TIME TO TALK ABOUT THEIR FAMILY BACK IN GUATEMALA AND 13:07.821 --> 13:10.288 FAMILY BACK IN GUATEMALA AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THEIR 13:10.290 --> 13:12.023 WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS, ABOUT THEIR FUTURE SO 13:12.025 --> 13:14.058 FEELINGS, ABOUT THEIR FUTURE SO WE LEFT THEM THAT THURSDAY 13:14.060 --> 13:14.425 WE LEFT THEM THAT THURSDAY EVENING. 13:14.427 --> 13:15.326 EVENING. >> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING BORDER 13:15.328 --> 13:17.128 >> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING BORDER ISSUES FOR A REALLY LONG TIME 13:17.130 --> 13:17.428 ISSUES FOR A REALLY LONG TIME NOW. 13:17.430 --> 13:18.129 NOW. WHERE DOES THIS FARE IN YOUR 13:18.131 --> 13:21.099 WHERE DOES THIS FARE IN YOUR EXPERIENCES? 13:21.101 --> 13:26.704 EXPERIENCES? >> I THINK THIS IS THE DEEPEST, 13:26.706 --> 13:28.606 >> I THINK THIS IS THE DEEPEST, MORE IN-DEPTH STORY THAT I TOLD 13:28.608 --> 13:30.074 MORE IN-DEPTH STORY THAT I TOLD JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME I HAD 13:30.076 --> 13:31.075 JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME I HAD SPENT WITH HER. 13:31.077 --> 13:32.944 SPENT WITH HER. I HAD DONE OTHER TRAVELING 13:32.946 --> 13:34.579 I HAD DONE OTHER TRAVELING PROJECTS, BUT YOU KIND OF OF GO 13:34.581 --> 13:35.880 PROJECTS, BUT YOU KIND OF OF GO IN AND OUT AND DON'T SPEND THE 13:35.882 --> 13:38.449 IN AND OUT AND DON'T SPEND THE NIGHT WITH THE FAMILY AND HERE 13:38.451 --> 13:39.851 NIGHT WITH THE FAMILY AND HERE YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, 13:39.853 --> 13:41.553 YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE BATHROOM WITH THEM 13:41.555 --> 13:43.521 GOING TO THE BATHROOM WITH THEM AND SEE HER BRUSHING HER TEETH 13:43.523 --> 13:45.023 AND SEE HER BRUSHING HER TEETH AND THINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF 13:45.025 --> 13:46.491 AND THINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE WE WERE I GOT TO SEE A LOT 13:46.493 --> 13:47.859 WHERE WE WERE I GOT TO SEE A LOT MORE AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WITH 13:47.861 --> 13:50.128 MORE AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WITH THE STORY WAS TO SHOW THE 13:50.130 --> 13:51.729 THE STORY WAS TO SHOW THE COMPLEXITIES OF IMMIGRATION. 13:51.731 --> 13:53.665 COMPLEXITIES OF IMMIGRATION. THIS IT'S NOT ONE SINGLE REASON 13:53.667 --> 13:55.867 THIS IT'S NOT ONE SINGLE REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND IN 13:55.869 --> 13:57.268 WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND IN ORDER TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, IT'S 13:57.270 --> 14:00.171 ORDER TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, IT'S GOING TO -- IT HAS TO BE 14:00.173 --> 14:01.940 GOING TO -- IT HAS TO BE APPROACHED FROM DIFFERENT WAYS 14:01.942 --> 14:03.274 APPROACHED FROM DIFFERENT WAYS AND THAT DOING THINGS HERE IN 14:03.276 --> 14:04.709 AND THAT DOING THINGS HERE IN THE U.S. WILL NOT SOLVE THE 14:04.711 --> 14:05.810 THE U.S. WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM ON ITS OWN. 14:05.812 --> 14:07.478 PROBLEM ON ITS OWN. WITH THIS FAMILY, THE FATHER 14:07.480 --> 14:10.081 WITH THIS FAMILY, THE FATHER CAME IN THE LATE '90s AND SENT 14:10.083 --> 14:11.382 CAME IN THE LATE '90s AND SENT MONEY BACK WHICH GAVE THEM A 14:11.384 --> 14:13.351 MONEY BACK WHICH GAVE THEM A BETTER EDUCATION, BUT THAT STILL 14:13.353 --> 14:14.285 BETTER EDUCATION, BUT THAT STILL WASN'T ENOUGH AND THE BROTHER 14:14.287 --> 14:16.254 WASN'T ENOUGH AND THE BROTHER LEFT AND NOW SHE LEFT AND IT 14:16.256 --> 14:17.488 LEFT AND NOW SHE LEFT AND IT ALSO MADE ME THINK OF THE CYCLE 14:17.490 --> 14:19.457 ALSO MADE ME THINK OF THE CYCLE OF IMMIGRATION AND INSTEAD OF 14:19.459 --> 14:21.292 OF IMMIGRATION AND INSTEAD OF LIZETTE BEING LEFT BEHIND AND 14:21.294 --> 14:22.594 LIZETTE BEING LEFT BEHIND AND EVENTUALLY COMING, SHE'S COMING 14:22.596 --> 14:24.696 EVENTUALLY COMING, SHE'S COMING ALREADY WITH THE MOM, AND I 14:24.698 --> 14:26.164 ALREADY WITH THE MOM, AND I WONDER WHAT THAT'S GOING TO PLAY 14:26.166 --> 14:27.866 WONDER WHAT THAT'S GOING TO PLAY IN THE FUTURE IMMIGRATION TRENDS 14:27.868 --> 14:29.167 IN THE FUTURE IMMIGRATION TRENDS WITH ALL OF THESE WOMEN AND 14:29.169 --> 14:29.968 WITH ALL OF THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN TRAVELING. 14:29.970 --> 14:31.970 CHILDREN TRAVELING. SO THAT WAS THE MAIN THING FOR 14:31.972 --> 14:34.172 SO THAT WAS THE MAIN THING FOR ME, JUST SHOWING THE 14:34.174 --> 14:35.173 ME, JUST SHOWING THE COMPLEXITIES OF WHY PEOPLE 14:35.175 --> 14:37.909 COMPLEXITIES OF WHY PEOPLE DECIDE TO LEAVE, AND I UPONED TO 14:37.911 --> 14:38.209 DECIDE TO LEAVE, AND I UPONED TO KNOW. 14:38.211 --> 14:39.777 KNOW. I WANTED TO KNOW THAT, AS WELL. 14:39.779 --> 14:41.479 I WANTED TO KNOW THAT, AS WELL. >> WAS THERE A FINE LINE THAT 14:41.481 --> 14:44.249 >> WAS THERE A FINE LINE THAT YOU HAD TO WALK AS JOURNALISTS 14:44.251 --> 14:46.050 YOU HAD TO WALK AS JOURNALISTS AND SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE A 14:46.052 --> 14:49.287 AND SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE A FELLOW PASSENGER ON THIS BUS? 14:49.289 --> 14:51.322 FELLOW PASSENGER ON THIS BUS? DID EITHER ONE OF YOU FEEL THAT 14:51.324 --> 14:52.457 DID EITHER ONE OF YOU FEEL THAT WAY AT ANY POINT? 14:52.459 --> 14:53.791 WAY AT ANY POINT? >> FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD HAVE 14:53.793 --> 14:56.194 >> FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO CAPTURE THEM REALLY 14:56.196 --> 14:58.663 LOVED TO CAPTURE THEM REALLY BEING -- GETTING LOST WITH THE 14:58.665 --> 15:00.231 BEING -- GETTING LOST WITH THE BUS SYSTEM AND MIKE HAVING 15:00.233 --> 15:01.966 BUS SYSTEM AND MIKE HAVING CAPTURED THAT IN PHOTOS, BUT AT 15:01.968 --> 15:03.635 CAPTURED THAT IN PHOTOS, BUT AT THE SAM TIME YOU'RE A HUMAN 15:03.637 --> 15:05.803 THE SAM TIME YOU'RE A HUMAN BEING AND YOU CANNOT GO TO 15:05.805 --> 15:07.605 BEING AND YOU CANNOT GO TO SOMEONE AND WHEN THEY ASK YOU, 15:07.607 --> 15:10.541 SOMEONE AND WHEN THEY ASK YOU, DO WE GET OFF YOU, YOU TELL ME, 15:10.543 --> 15:13.878 DO WE GET OFF YOU, YOU TELL ME, AND I'M THE JOURNALIST AND ONLY 15:13.880 --> 15:15.346 AND I'M THE JOURNALIST AND ONLY WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE 15:15.348 --> 15:15.713 WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE CAPTURED. 15:15.715 --> 15:17.682 CAPTURED. AS A JOURNALIST I WOULD HAVE 15:17.684 --> 15:19.517 AS A JOURNALIST I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE BEEN FLY ON THE 15:19.519 --> 15:21.552 LOVED TO HAVE BEEN FLY ON THE WALL, WHERE IF THEY MISSED THE 15:21.554 --> 15:23.588 WALL, WHERE IF THEY MISSED THE WALL OR GOT ON THE WRONG ONE, AT 15:23.590 --> 15:24.956 WALL OR GOT ON THE WRONG ONE, AT THE SAME TIME I CANNOT PRETEND 15:24.958 --> 15:27.959 THE SAME TIME I CANNOT PRETEND I'M GETTING OFF THIS BUS. 15:27.961 --> 15:29.460 I'M GETTING OFF THIS BUS. THAT WAS A TOUGH -- YOU DID NOT 15:29.462 --> 15:31.696 THAT WAS A TOUGH -- YOU DID NOT WANT TO ACTUALLY LEAD THEM, BUT 15:31.698 --> 15:32.697 WANT TO ACTUALLY LEAD THEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU DIDN'T WANT 15:32.699 --> 15:34.532 AT THE SAME TIME YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT 15:34.534 --> 15:36.501 TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING JUST SO YOU COULD 15:36.503 --> 15:37.902 WAS HAPPENING JUST SO YOU COULD HAVE THE PARAGRAPH ON YOUR 15:37.904 --> 15:38.202 HAVE THE PARAGRAPH ON YOUR STORY. 15:38.204 --> 15:38.970 STORY. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FELT. 15:38.972 --> 15:41.005 I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FELT. >> I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY FOUND 15:41.007 --> 15:42.974 >> I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY FOUND MYSELF SLIPPING INTO PASSENGER 15:42.976 --> 15:44.676 MYSELF SLIPPING INTO PASSENGER MODE AS WE GOT FURTHER ON IN THE 15:44.678 --> 15:47.345 MODE AS WE GOT FURTHER ON IN THE DEEP SOUTH, IN MISSISSIPPI AND 15:47.347 --> 15:48.646 DEEP SOUTH, IN MISSISSIPPI AND ALABAMA TRYING TO FIND SEATS 15:48.648 --> 15:49.747 ALABAMA TRYING TO FIND SEATS BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT 15:49.749 --> 15:50.915 BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT HAVING A SEAT CLOSE TO THEM 15:50.917 --> 15:52.483 HAVING A SEAT CLOSE TO THEM BECAUSE THE BUS WAS PACKED. 15:52.485 --> 15:54.018 BECAUSE THE BUS WAS PACKED. THERE WERE NO EMPTY SEATS BY THE 15:54.020 --> 15:56.487 THERE WERE NO EMPTY SEATS BY THE TIME WE REACHED THE MIDDLE PART 15:56.489 --> 15:57.655 TIME WE REACHED THE MIDDLE PART OF OUR JOURNEY. 15:57.657 --> 15:59.324 OF OUR JOURNEY. SO THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE 15:59.326 --> 16:00.992 SO THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE SHUFFLED WAY BACK AND IT WAS 16:00.994 --> 16:01.993 SHUFFLED WAY BACK AND IT WAS QUESTIONABLE IF I WOULD SIT 16:01.995 --> 16:03.928 QUESTIONABLE IF I WOULD SIT ACROSS FROM THEM, IN FRONT OF 16:03.930 --> 16:05.630 ACROSS FROM THEM, IN FRONT OF THEM OR HAVE A VIEW OF THEM AT 16:05.632 --> 16:07.598 THEM OR HAVE A VIEW OF THEM AT ALL AND I FOUND MYSELF TRYING TO 16:07.600 --> 16:09.033 ALL AND I FOUND MYSELF TRYING TO COORDINATE SEATING ARRANGEMENTS 16:09.035 --> 16:11.035 COORDINATE SEATING ARRANGEMENTS AND WE HAD TO LET THIS ALL PLAY 16:11.037 --> 16:11.502 AND WE HAD TO LET THIS ALL PLAY OUT BY MYSELF. 16:11.504 --> 16:17.642 OUT BY MYSELF. >> AND BEING IN WASHINGTON, DUMP 16:17.644 --> 16:18.743 >> AND BEING IN WASHINGTON, DUMP C., IN T 16:18.745 --> 16:21.312 C., IN T C, AND YOU MENTIONED -- IT WAS 16:21.314 --> 16:22.347 C, AND YOU MENTIONED -- IT WAS IN SPANISH, AND SHE MENTIONED 16:22.349 --> 16:23.381 IN SPANISH, AND SHE MENTIONED THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF 16:23.383 --> 16:24.349 THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF THE UNITED STATES AND I TAUGHT 16:24.351 --> 16:26.184 THE UNITED STATES AND I TAUGHT IT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT THERE. 16:26.186 --> 16:28.619 IT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT THERE. >> PERLA SAYS THE MOTHER AND 16:28.621 --> 16:29.988 >> PERLA SAYS THE MOTHER AND DAUGHTER ARE DUE TO APPEAR 16:29.990 --> 16:32.390 DAUGHTER ARE DUE TO APPEAR BEFORE AN IMMIGRATION JUDGE NEXT 16:32.392 --> 16:32.724 BEFORE AN IMMIGRATION JUDGE NEXT MONTH. 16:32.726 --> 16:34.125 MONTH. >>> TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY 16:34.127 --> 16:35.326 >>> TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY NOW AND TO THE QUESTION OF 16:35.328 --> 16:36.060 NOW AND TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT BORDER SECURITY 16:36.062 --> 16:38.062 WHETHER OR NOT BORDER SECURITY HAS SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE 16:38.064 --> 16:40.331 HAS SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS. 16:40.333 --> 16:42.900 INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS. HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH SILVIA 16:42.902 --> 16:44.736 HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH SILVIA LONGMEYER, AN AUTHOR AND BORDER 16:44.738 --> 16:45.069 LONGMEYER, AN AUTHOR AND BORDER ANALYST. 16:45.071 --> 16:46.971 ANALYST. >> SUPPLY AND DEMAND. 16:46.973 --> 16:48.139 >> SUPPLY AND DEMAND. IT'S LONG BEEN SAID THAT 16:48.141 --> 16:50.675 IT'S LONG BEEN SAID THAT AMERICANS WANT THE LABOR, THEY 16:50.677 --> 16:52.810 AMERICANS WANT THE LABOR, THEY WANT THE ILLICIT DRUGS. 16:52.812 --> 16:54.712 WANT THE ILLICIT DRUGS. HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PLAYING A 16:54.714 --> 16:55.713 HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PLAYING A ROLE IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING 16:55.715 --> 16:56.781 ROLE IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING HAPPENING AT THE BORDER RIGHT 16:56.783 --> 16:57.048 HAPPENING AT THE BORDER RIGHT NOW? 16:57.050 --> 16:58.683 NOW? >> IT'S A HUGE ROLE. 16:58.685 --> 17:00.118 >> IT'S A HUGE ROLE. ANYTHING RELATED TO THE BORDER 17:00.120 --> 17:02.120 ANYTHING RELATED TO THE BORDER WILL BE LARGELY POLITICIZED. 17:02.122 --> 17:03.454 WILL BE LARGELY POLITICIZED. WHAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK 17:03.456 --> 17:05.423 WHAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IS HOW BOTH DEMOCRATS AND 17:05.425 --> 17:07.158 ABOUT IS HOW BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE BENEFITING FROM 17:07.160 --> 17:09.794 REPUBLICANS ARE BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR, FROM ILLEGAL 17:09.796 --> 17:10.194 CHEAP LABOR, FROM ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. 17:10.196 --> 17:12.230 IMMIGRATION. YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT SOME 17:12.232 --> 17:13.731 YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY THESE FOLKS WILL 17:13.733 --> 17:15.566 PEOPLE WILL SAY THESE FOLKS WILL SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND 17:15.568 --> 17:17.835 SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND LATER ON IF THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE 17:17.837 --> 17:19.537 LATER ON IF THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE TO VOTE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU 17:19.539 --> 17:20.738 TO VOTE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE THE HUGE SUPPORT BASE 17:20.740 --> 17:22.206 HAVE THE HUGE SUPPORT BASE BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE 17:22.208 --> 17:24.609 BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES CATERING TO THIS GROWING 17:24.611 --> 17:25.910 ONES CATERING TO THIS GROWING LATINO POPULATION, BUT THEN ON 17:25.912 --> 17:27.678 LATINO POPULATION, BUT THEN ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE 17:27.680 --> 17:29.380 THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE LARGE BUSINESSES THAT ARE 17:29.382 --> 17:31.115 LARGE BUSINESSES THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR. 17:31.117 --> 17:32.884 BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR. YOU HAVE HUGE FARMS AND RANCHES 17:32.886 --> 17:34.318 YOU HAVE HUGE FARMS AND RANCHES THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM ILLEGAL 17:34.320 --> 17:36.621 THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM ILLEGAL LABOR AND ALL OF THOSE PLAY INTO 17:36.623 --> 17:38.022 LABOR AND ALL OF THOSE PLAY INTO THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT GOES 17:38.024 --> 17:38.923 THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT GOES TO THE GOP. 17:38.925 --> 17:40.258 TO THE GOP. SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT 17:40.260 --> 17:43.127 SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT GO AWAY, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT, 17:43.129 --> 17:44.929 GO AWAY, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT, POLITICALLY SPEAKING TO SAY 17:44.931 --> 17:45.229 POLITICALLY SPEAKING TO SAY THAT. 17:45.231 --> 17:46.764 THAT. SO YOU HAVE -- THE DEMAND IS 17:46.766 --> 17:48.066 SO YOU HAVE -- THE DEMAND IS COMING FROM BOTH SIDES NO MATTER 17:48.068 --> 17:50.368 COMING FROM BOTH SIDES NO MATTER HOW IT PLAYS OUT ON TV OR IN THE 17:50.370 --> 17:52.403 HOW IT PLAYS OUT ON TV OR IN THE NEWS, THAT DEMAND FOR CHEAP 17:52.405 --> 17:54.005 NEWS, THAT DEMAND FOR CHEAP LABOR IS THERE, AND IT'S NOT 17:54.007 --> 17:55.873 LABOR IS THERE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON, 17:55.875 --> 17:58.009 GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON, AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS 17:58.011 --> 18:00.044 AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS HERE THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS 18:00.046 --> 18:01.145 HERE THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING, 18:01.147 --> 18:03.381 AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING, WILLING TO DO OR ABLE TO DO, 18:03.383 --> 18:05.083 WILLING TO DO OR ABLE TO DO, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPPLY TO 18:05.085 --> 18:06.317 THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPPLY TO FILL THAT AND A LOT OF TIMES 18:06.319 --> 18:07.685 FILL THAT AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT SUPPLY WILL TAKE THE FORM 18:07.687 --> 18:09.587 THAT SUPPLY WILL TAKE THE FORM OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO DO THAT 18:09.589 --> 18:10.855 OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO DO THAT LABOR FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. 18:10.857 --> 18:12.924 LABOR FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. >> HOW DOES THAT SUPPLY AND 18:12.926 --> 18:14.559 >> HOW DOES THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND AFFECT BORDER SECURITY 18:14.561 --> 18:16.394 DEMAND AFFECT BORDER SECURITY WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S 18:16.396 --> 18:17.728 WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S CONTINUING TO BE THE TOPIC AS WE 18:17.730 --> 18:18.696 CONTINUING TO BE THE TOPIC AS WE SEE THE CHILDREN COMING ACROSS 18:18.698 --> 18:19.497 SEE THE CHILDREN COMING ACROSS THE BORDER? 18:19.499 --> 18:20.064 THE BORDER? >> SURE. 18:20.066 --> 18:21.766 >> SURE. ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH 18:21.768 --> 18:26.270 ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH THE SURGE IS THAT THERE'S NO -- 18:26.272 --> 18:28.039 THE SURGE IS THAT THERE'S NO -- TRYING TO SEGREGATE THE THREATS 18:28.041 --> 18:29.874 TRYING TO SEGREGATE THE THREATS FROM THE NON-THREATS IS ONE OF 18:29.876 --> 18:30.808 FROM THE NON-THREATS IS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES. 18:30.810 --> 18:33.144 THE BIG ISSUES. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT'S MORE 18:33.146 --> 18:34.712 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT'S MORE GENERALLY AND MORE BROADLY 18:34.714 --> 18:35.913 GENERALLY AND MORE BROADLY SPEAK, WHAT IS BORDER SECURITY 18:35.915 --> 18:37.415 SPEAK, WHAT IS BORDER SECURITY AND WHAT DOES A SECURE BORDER 18:37.417 --> 18:38.749 AND WHAT DOES A SECURE BORDER LOOK LIKE? 18:38.751 --> 18:40.284 LOOK LIKE? YOU HAVE THIS 57,000 WAS THE 18:40.286 --> 18:42.420 YOU HAVE THIS 57,000 WAS THE LATEST COUNT OF UNACCOMPANIED 18:42.422 --> 18:44.222 LATEST COUNT OF UNACCOMPANIED MINORS OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY 18:44.224 --> 18:45.590 MINORS OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY UNITS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER 18:45.592 --> 18:47.658 UNITS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER AND THAT'S PLACING A HUGE STRAIN 18:47.660 --> 18:49.560 AND THAT'S PLACING A HUGE STRAIN ON SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT ARE THEY 18:49.562 --> 18:50.828 ON SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT ARE THEY REALLY A THREAT? 18:50.830 --> 18:53.731 REALLY A THREAT? THAT IS KIND OF AN 18:53.733 --> 18:54.966 THAT IS KIND OF AN ADMINISTRATION PROBLEM FOR THE 18:54.968 --> 18:56.200 ADMINISTRATION PROBLEM FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH, BUT 18:56.202 --> 18:58.469 ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH, BUT IT'S AT A SECURITY ISSUE. 18:58.471 --> 18:59.871 IT'S AT A SECURITY ISSUE. IT HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT SO 18:59.873 --> 19:01.339 IT HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE CAN COME ACROSS AND 19:01.341 --> 19:02.907 MANY PEOPLE CAN COME ACROSS AND WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING 19:02.909 --> 19:05.810 WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING AND THEN AGAIN THE REAL SECURITY 19:05.812 --> 19:07.044 AND THEN AGAIN THE REAL SECURITY ISSUE IS WHILE THESE FOLKS ARE 19:07.046 --> 19:09.046 ISSUE IS WHILE THESE FOLKS ARE BEING DEALT WITH ON AN 19:09.048 --> 19:10.481 BEING DEALT WITH ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND BEING 19:10.483 --> 19:11.649 ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND BEING PROCESSED AND PLACED IN 19:11.651 --> 19:13.184 PROCESSED AND PLACED IN DETENTION CENTERS FOR A LITTLE 19:13.186 --> 19:16.254 DETENTION CENTERS FOR A LITTLE WHILE, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT 19:16.256 --> 19:19.290 WHILE, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE ROLL BEAL BAD GUYS AND PEOP 19:19.292 --> 19:21.025 THE ROLL BEAL BAD GUYS AND PEOP RELATED TO HEZBOLLAH OR OTHER 19:21.027 --> 19:21.993 RELATED TO HEZBOLLAH OR OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND WHO 19:21.995 --> 19:24.028 TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND WHO IS TENDING TO THEM WHILE THE 19:24.030 --> 19:25.229 IS TENDING TO THEM WHILE THE AGENTS ARE BEING PULLED OFF THE 19:25.231 --> 19:26.864 AGENTS ARE BEING PULLED OFF THE LINE TO DEAL WITH AN 19:26.866 --> 19:28.266 LINE TO DEAL WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THAT CAN BE 19:28.268 --> 19:29.867 ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH AT A LEGISLATIVE 19:29.869 --> 19:30.168 DEALT WITH AT A LEGISLATIVE LEVEL. 19:30.170 --> 19:32.336 LEVEL. IN MY MIND THAT'S HOW IT'S 19:32.338 --> 19:33.905 IN MY MIND THAT'S HOW IT'S AFFECTING BORDER SECURITY THAT 19:33.907 --> 19:36.807 AFFECTING BORDER SECURITY THAT IT IS BEING BOGGED DOWN BECAUSE 19:36.809 --> 19:39.810 IT IS BEING BOGGED DOWN BECAUSE IT IS NOT BEING HANDLED AT THE 19:39.812 --> 19:40.945 IT IS NOT BEING HANDLED AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, COM 19:40.947 --> 19:42.079 ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, COM PREHUNDREDSIVE REFORM OR 19:42.081 --> 19:43.281 PREHUNDREDSIVE REFORM OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT'S 19:43.283 --> 19:44.615 SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT 19:44.617 --> 19:46.150 WHERE IT COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE BAD GUYS WHILE 19:46.152 --> 19:47.685 TENDING WITH THE BAD GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE 19:47.687 --> 19:48.786 WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LEGISLATIVE BACKLOG AND 19:48.788 --> 19:49.387 LEGISLATIVE BACKLOG AND INABILITY TO ACT. 19:49.389 --> 19:50.855 INABILITY TO ACT. >> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT SOME 19:50.857 --> 19:52.623 >> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT SOME OF THESE CHILDREN MAY, IN FACT, 19:52.625 --> 19:54.192 OF THESE CHILDREN MAY, IN FACT, BE MEMBERS OF THESE GANGS FROM 19:54.194 --> 19:54.892 BE MEMBERS OF THESE GANGS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA? 19:54.894 --> 19:57.428 CENTRAL AMERICA? >> WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, I 19:57.430 --> 19:59.497 >> WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, I THINK MAYBE A DOZEN OR SO -- A 19:59.499 --> 20:00.631 THINK MAYBE A DOZEN OR SO -- A COUPLE DOZEN HAVE BEEN 20:00.633 --> 20:02.166 COUPLE DOZEN HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THEIR TATTOOS AND 20:02.168 --> 20:03.734 IDENTIFIED BY THEIR TATTOOS AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S, I THINK, 20:03.736 --> 20:06.170 EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S, I THINK, TO BE EXPECTED, BUT OVERALL, AT 20:06.172 --> 20:07.905 TO BE EXPECTED, BUT OVERALL, AT LEAST THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN 20:07.907 --> 20:09.540 LEAST THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE DOZEN OUT 20:09.542 --> 20:11.342 THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE DOZEN OUT OF THE 57,000 THAT HAVE BEEN 20:11.344 --> 20:13.144 OF THE 57,000 THAT HAVE BEEN APPREHENDED SO IT MAKES GOOD 20:13.146 --> 20:14.245 APPREHENDED SO IT MAKES GOOD HEADLINES AND OF COURSE, IT'S 20:14.247 --> 20:15.813 HEADLINES AND OF COURSE, IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE 20:15.815 --> 20:18.349 ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE GANG MEMBERS COMING OVER AND 20:18.351 --> 20:19.050 GANG MEMBERS COMING OVER AND THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT 20:19.052 --> 20:20.151 THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT RECRUITING ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN 20:20.153 --> 20:21.919 RECRUITING ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN HAPPENING AT DETENTION 20:21.921 --> 20:22.920 HAPPENING AT DETENTION FACILITIES AND THAT WILL HAPPEN 20:22.922 --> 20:24.822 FACILITIES AND THAT WILL HAPPEN AND SOME GRAFFITI THAT HAS BEEN 20:24.824 --> 20:26.457 AND SOME GRAFFITI THAT HAS BEEN FOUND IN THE BATHROOMS AND SUCH 20:26.459 --> 20:28.125 FOUND IN THE BATHROOMS AND SUCH IN THE DETENTION FACILITIES AND 20:28.127 --> 20:29.493 IN THE DETENTION FACILITIES AND IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN AND THESE 20:29.495 --> 20:30.828 IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN AND THESE ARE NOT THE ROUTES THAT GANG 20:30.830 --> 20:32.063 ARE NOT THE ROUTES THAT GANG MEMBERS TRADITIONALLY TAKE TO 20:32.065 --> 20:33.264 MEMBERS TRADITIONALLY TAKE TO COME INTO THE UNITED STATES. 20:33.266 --> 20:35.032 COME INTO THE UNITED STATES. THEY DON'T NEED TO INSERT 20:35.034 --> 20:36.033 THEY DON'T NEED TO INSERT THEMSELVES WITH THESE KIDS AND 20:36.035 --> 20:37.101 THEMSELVES WITH THESE KIDS AND THESE FAMILIES. 20:37.103 --> 20:38.202 THESE FAMILIES. THEY'RE GETTING IN AND OUT. 20:38.204 --> 20:40.037 THEY'RE GETTING IN AND OUT. A LOT OF THEM HAVE DUAL 20:40.039 --> 20:41.272 A LOT OF THEM HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP AND THEY DON'T HAVE 20:41.274 --> 20:42.673 CITIZENSHIP AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN ARREST RECORD JUST YET AT 20:42.675 --> 20:43.474 AN ARREST RECORD JUST YET AT LEAST NOT HERE IN THE UNITED 20:43.476 --> 20:44.875 LEAST NOT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES SO THEY CAN COME AND GO 20:44.877 --> 20:46.344 STATES SO THEY CAN COME AND GO IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BORDER 20:46.346 --> 20:48.079 IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BORDER WITHOUT HAVING TO GET INVOLVED 20:48.081 --> 20:49.547 WITHOUT HAVING TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE MESS. 20:49.549 --> 20:51.115 IN THIS WHOLE MESS. SO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT 20:51.117 --> 20:53.451 SO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT GANG MEMBERS COMING HERE FROM 20:53.453 --> 20:54.518 GANG MEMBERS COMING HERE FROM CENTRAL AMERICA AND AS FOR AS 20:54.520 --> 20:56.053 CENTRAL AMERICA AND AS FOR AS THE CONTEXT OF THE CRISIS THAT'S 20:56.055 --> 20:57.622 THE CONTEXT OF THE CRISIS THAT'S GOING ON IN SOUTH TECHNOLOGY 20:57.624 --> 20:59.056 GOING ON IN SOUTH TECHNOLOGY RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S NOT AS 20:59.058 --> 21:00.324 RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN AS IT SHOULD 21:00.326 --> 21:00.925 MUCH OF A CONCERN AS IT SHOULD BE ELSEWHERE. 21:00.927 --> 21:03.127 BE ELSEWHERE. >> IN TEXAS, THE GOVERNOR WANTS 21:03.129 --> 21:04.462 >> IN TEXAS, THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD IN 21:04.464 --> 21:06.631 TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD IN THE BORDER. 21:06.633 --> 21:07.365 THE BORDER. THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS 21:07.367 --> 21:08.399 THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS VERY ISSUE UNFOLD AND SAYING 21:08.401 --> 21:10.268 VERY ISSUE UNFOLD AND SAYING IT'S NOT GETTING PEOPLE. 21:10.270 --> 21:12.036 IT'S NOT GETTING PEOPLE. THESE PEOPLE ARE SURRENDERING, 21:12.038 --> 21:13.237 THESE PEOPLE ARE SURRENDERING, WHY SEND THE GUARD TO THE 21:13.239 --> 21:13.571 WHY SEND THE GUARD TO THE BORDER? 21:13.573 --> 21:15.306 BORDER? >> THERE IS A HISTORY OF SENDING 21:15.308 --> 21:16.374 >> THERE IS A HISTORY OF SENDING GUARD TO THE SOUTHWEST BORDER 21:16.376 --> 21:19.910 GUARD TO THE SOUTHWEST BORDER AND THIS WAS IN 2006-2008 AND 21:19.912 --> 21:21.312 AND THIS WAS IN 2006-2008 AND THERE WERE ROUGHLY 6,000 WERE AT 21:21.314 --> 21:22.446 THERE WERE ROUGHLY 6,000 WERE AT THE PEAK. 21:22.448 --> 21:23.481 THE PEAK. 6,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS THAT 21:23.483 --> 21:25.249 6,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS THAT WERE SENT DOWN AND IT WAS VERY 21:25.251 --> 21:25.616 WERE SENT DOWN AND IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE. 21:25.618 --> 21:26.884 EFFECTIVE. WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T 21:26.886 --> 21:28.052 WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT NATIONAL 21:28.054 --> 21:29.887 UNDERSTAND IS THAT NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS CANNOT ENFORCE 21:29.889 --> 21:31.455 GUARD TROOPS CANNOT ENFORCE CIVILIAN LAW. 21:31.457 --> 21:32.723 CIVILIAN LAW. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ARREST 21:32.725 --> 21:34.292 THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ARREST ANYBODY, APPREHEND ANYBODY. 21:34.294 --> 21:36.327 ANYBODY, APPREHEND ANYBODY. THEY ACT AS EXTRA EYES AND EARS. 21:36.329 --> 21:37.662 THEY ACT AS EXTRA EYES AND EARS. THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF OTHER 21:37.664 --> 21:38.963 THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF OTHER JOBS AS WELL AND THEY CAN BE 21:38.965 --> 21:40.998 JOBS AS WELL AND THEY CAN BE VERY HELPFUL, BUT IF THEY CATCH 21:41.000 --> 21:42.166 VERY HELPFUL, BUT IF THEY CATCH ANYBODY OR SEE ANYBODY THEY HAVE 21:42.168 --> 21:45.036 ANYBODY OR SEE ANYBODY THEY HAVE TO TURN THEM OVER TO BORDER 21:45.038 --> 21:47.004 TO TURN THEM OVER TO BORDER PATROL ESPECIALLY THE MINORS AND 21:47.006 --> 21:48.639 PATROL ESPECIALLY THE MINORS AND THE FAMILIES THAT ARE TURNING 21:48.641 --> 21:49.874 THE FAMILIES THAT ARE TURNING THEMSELVES IN AND SAYING HEY, 21:49.876 --> 21:51.942 THEMSELVES IN AND SAYING HEY, WE'RE HERE, PROCESS ME AND GIVE 21:51.944 --> 21:53.744 WE'RE HERE, PROCESS ME AND GIVE ME MY PERMISO. 21:53.746 --> 21:55.313 ME MY PERMISO. SO IF THEY START TURNING 21:55.315 --> 22:00.151 SO IF THEY START TURNING THEMSELVES INTO BORDER PATROL 22:00.153 --> 22:01.686 THEMSELVES INTO BORDER PATROL AGENTS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO 22:01.688 --> 22:02.019 AGENTS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 22:02.021 --> 22:04.088 HAPPEN. AND IF THEY TURN THEMSELVES INTO 22:04.090 --> 22:05.523 AND IF THEY TURN THEMSELVES INTO SOLDIERS, THEY'LL HAND THEM OVER 22:05.525 --> 22:07.491 SOLDIERS, THEY'LL HAND THEM OVER FOR THE SAME THING. 22:07.493 --> 22:08.326 FOR THE SAME THING. IT'S JUST FOR SHOW AND I THINK 22:08.328 --> 22:10.027 IT'S JUST FOR SHOW AND I THINK IT'S A LOT OF POLITICAL 22:10.029 --> 22:11.062 IT'S A LOT OF POLITICAL POSTURING AND IF THAT'S WHAT 22:11.064 --> 22:12.430 POSTURING AND IF THAT'S WHAT TECHNOLOGY FEELS THEY NEED TO DO 22:12.432 --> 22:14.031 TECHNOLOGY FEELS THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE THE CONSTITUENTS HAPPY 22:14.033 --> 22:15.366 TO MAKE THE CONSTITUENTS HAPPY AND FEEL MORE SECURE, I GET 22:15.368 --> 22:17.234 AND FEEL MORE SECURE, I GET THAT, BUT AS FAR AS A PRACTICAL 22:17.236 --> 22:19.203 THAT, BUT AS FAR AS A PRACTICAL SOLUTION, NOT EVEN CLOSE. 22:19.205 --> 22:21.105 SOLUTION, NOT EVEN CLOSE. >> AND JOINING ME NOW WITH THE 22:21.107 --> 22:23.407 >> AND JOINING ME NOW WITH THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IS FERNANDA, 22:23.409 --> 22:25.976 LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IS FERNANDA, CHAFF RIA, A REPORTER WITH 22:25.978 --> 22:27.445 CHAFF RIA, A REPORTER WITH ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. 22:27.447 --> 22:29.146 ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. LET'S START WITH THE NUMBER OF 22:29.148 --> 22:30.581 LET'S START WITH THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN, HERE IN NOGALES, IN 22:30.583 --> 22:32.683 CHILDREN, HERE IN NOGALES, IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA IT'S DWINDLED 22:32.685 --> 22:33.317 SOUTHERN ARIZONA IT'S DWINDLED QUITE A BIT. 22:33.319 --> 22:35.386 QUITE A BIT. >> WHEN I TOURED THE FACILITY IN 22:35.388 --> 22:37.254 >> WHEN I TOURED THE FACILITY IN A LITTLE OVER A MONTH NOW, THERE 22:37.256 --> 22:39.223 A LITTLE OVER A MONTH NOW, THERE WERE ABOUT A THOUSAND CHILDREN. 22:39.225 --> 22:40.991 WERE ABOUT A THOUSAND CHILDREN. AS OF EARLIER THIS WEEK THERE 22:40.993 --> 22:42.093 AS OF EARLIER THIS WEEK THERE WERE LESS THAN TEN. 22:42.095 --> 22:45.262 WERE LESS THAN TEN. EVEN BEFORE THAT WE STOPPED 22:45.264 --> 22:46.797 EVEN BEFORE THAT WE STOPPED SEEING THE CHILDREN BASICALLY 22:46.799 --> 22:48.599 SEEING THE CHILDREN BASICALLY BUSSED OVER HERE, FLOWN OVER 22:48.601 --> 22:50.568 BUSSED OVER HERE, FLOWN OVER HERE FROM TEXAS QUITE A FEW 22:50.570 --> 22:52.970 HERE FROM TEXAS QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO SO THE TEXAS INFLUX 22:52.972 --> 22:53.938 YEARS AGO SO THE TEXAS INFLUX STOPPED A LITTLE BIT AGO AND NOW 22:53.940 --> 22:55.940 STOPPED A LITTLE BIT AGO AND NOW THE NUMBER IN GENERAL OF 22:55.942 --> 22:57.041 THE NUMBER IN GENERAL OF UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 22:57.043 --> 22:58.309 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN APPREHENDED IN THE TUCSON SECTOR 22:58.311 --> 23:00.344 APPREHENDED IN THE TUCSON SECTOR IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND BORDER 23:00.346 --> 23:02.847 IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND BORDER PATROL OFFICIALS TELL ME THERE'S 23:02.849 --> 23:04.115 PATROL OFFICIALS TELL ME THERE'S ABOUT LESS THAN TEN KIDS IN 23:04.117 --> 23:06.517 ABOUT LESS THAN TEN KIDS IN THERE AND THEN AGAIN THERE COULD 23:06.519 --> 23:07.818 THERE AND THEN AGAIN THERE COULD HAVE BEEN OTHER KIDS DROPPED OFF 23:07.820 --> 23:09.453 HAVE BEEN OTHER KIDS DROPPED OFF AT THE PROCESSING FACILITY THIS 23:09.455 --> 23:11.255 AT THE PROCESSING FACILITY THIS MORNING OR WILL BE TAKEN THERE 23:11.257 --> 23:11.622 MORNING OR WILL BE TAKEN THERE TOMORROW. 23:11.624 --> 23:12.490 TOMORROW. SO -- 23:12.492 --> 23:14.258 SO -- >> WHAT LED TO THAT DECREASE IN 23:14.260 --> 23:15.393 >> WHAT LED TO THAT DECREASE IN NUMBERS SUDDENLY? 23:15.395 --> 23:16.794 NUMBERS SUDDENLY? IS IT IT BECAUSE WORD WAS 23:16.796 --> 23:17.595 IS IT IT BECAUSE WORD WAS STARTING TO SPREAD? 23:17.597 --> 23:20.131 STARTING TO SPREAD? >> IT'S DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT 23:20.133 --> 23:22.566 >> IT'S DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT WHAT EXACTLY -- DID THAT, BUT 23:22.568 --> 23:23.667 WHAT EXACTLY -- DID THAT, BUT THERE WAS THIS WAVE THAT 23:23.669 --> 23:25.369 THERE WAS THIS WAVE THAT HAPPENED IN TEXAS, SO WE HAVE TO 23:25.371 --> 23:27.805 HAPPENED IN TEXAS, SO WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT AS FAR AS TUCSON 23:27.807 --> 23:30.474 REMEMBER THAT AS FAR AS TUCSON GOES, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE 23:30.476 --> 23:31.475 GOES, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN CROSS 23:31.477 --> 23:33.644 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN CROSS ILLEGALLY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT 23:33.646 --> 23:35.880 ILLEGALLY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT WHAT WE WERE SEEING A COUPLE OF 23:35.882 --> 23:37.415 WHAT WE WERE SEEING A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK WITH WHAT WAS 23:37.417 --> 23:38.682 MONTHS BACK WITH WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN TEXAS AND THAT WAS 23:38.684 --> 23:39.483 HAPPENING IN TEXAS AND THAT WAS THE WAY THAT WAS COMING UP. 23:39.485 --> 23:41.051 THE WAY THAT WAS COMING UP. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHETHER 23:41.053 --> 23:42.219 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHETHER THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A 23:42.221 --> 23:42.853 THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A MONTH OR SO. 23:42.855 --> 23:44.455 MONTH OR SO. >> OKAY. 23:44.457 --> 23:46.090 >> OKAY. SO THOSE CHILDREN WHO WERE HERE. 23:46.092 --> 23:46.891 SO THOSE CHILDREN WHO WERE HERE. WHERE ARE THEY NOW? 23:46.893 --> 23:49.293 WHERE ARE THEY NOW? THEY'RE NO LONGER UNDER DHS. 23:49.295 --> 23:50.795 THEY'RE NO LONGER UNDER DHS. THEY WERE IN HEALTH AND HUMAN 23:50.797 --> 23:51.729 THEY WERE IN HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY 23:51.731 --> 23:52.763 SERVICES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY STILL AT THIS POINT? 23:52.765 --> 23:53.731 STILL AT THIS POINT? >> THAT'S RIGHT. 23:53.733 --> 23:55.566 >> THAT'S RIGHT. SO THE CHILDREN THAT WE SAW, THE 23:55.568 --> 23:57.802 SO THE CHILDREN THAT WE SAW, THE THOUSANDS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT 23:57.804 --> 23:59.403 THOUSANDS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT NOGALES PROCESSING FACILITY WERE 23:59.405 --> 24:01.138 NOGALES PROCESSING FACILITY WERE IN THE CUSTODY OF THE DEPARTMENT 24:01.140 --> 24:02.807 IN THE CUSTODY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AS YOU 24:02.809 --> 24:03.107 OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AS YOU SAID. 24:03.109 --> 24:04.508 SAID. AFTER THEY LEAVE THEIR CUSTODY 24:04.510 --> 24:06.677 AFTER THEY LEAVE THEIR CUSTODY THEY GO TO HEALTH AND HUMAN 24:06.679 --> 24:08.546 THEY GO TO HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND THE OFFICE OF 24:08.548 --> 24:09.613 SERVICES AND THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT. 24:09.615 --> 24:11.148 REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT. WE GOT NUMBERS EARLIER THIS WEEK 24:11.150 --> 24:12.850 WE GOT NUMBERS EARLIER THIS WEEK FROM THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE 24:12.852 --> 24:14.151 FROM THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT THAT SAID ABOUT 24:14.153 --> 24:15.386 RESETTLEMENT THAT SAID ABOUT 30,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 24:15.388 --> 24:17.154 30,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEIR 24:17.156 --> 24:18.956 ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEIR CUSTODY AND THEY HAVE NOW BEEN 24:18.958 --> 24:20.391 CUSTODY AND THEY HAVE NOW BEEN RELEASED TO WHAT THEY CALL 24:20.393 --> 24:22.393 RELEASED TO WHAT THEY CALL QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SPONSORS. 24:22.395 --> 24:24.695 QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SPONSORS. SO THESE SPONSORS COULD BE A 24:24.697 --> 24:26.330 SO THESE SPONSORS COULD BE A TRUE SPONSOR NOT RELATED TO THE 24:26.332 --> 24:28.265 TRUE SPONSOR NOT RELATED TO THE CHILD, BUT WHO IS SPONSORING THE 24:28.267 --> 24:29.500 CHILD, BUT WHO IS SPONSORING THE TEEN OR YOUNG CHILD OR IT COULD 24:29.502 --> 24:30.968 TEEN OR YOUNG CHILD OR IT COULD BE A FAMILY MEMBER. 24:30.970 --> 24:33.270 BE A FAMILY MEMBER. IT COULD BE A PARENT. 24:33.272 --> 24:34.371 IT COULD BE A PARENT. SO WE WERE TALKING AND IF YOU 24:34.373 --> 24:36.006 SO WE WERE TALKING AND IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR 24:36.008 --> 24:38.008 WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR A SECOND, WE HAD 52,000 AND 24:38.010 --> 24:40.110 A SECOND, WE HAD 52,000 AND CLOSE TO 60,000 UNACCOMPANIED 24:40.112 --> 24:40.478 CLOSE TO 60,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN. 24:40.480 --> 24:42.112 CHILDREN. ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE NO LONGER 24:42.114 --> 24:43.747 ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE NO LONGER IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 24:43.749 --> 24:44.114 IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CUSTODY. 24:44.116 --> 24:45.015 CUSTODY. THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO 24:45.017 --> 24:47.051 THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO PEOPLE AND THAT IS ANYWHERE 24:47.053 --> 24:47.952 PEOPLE AND THAT IS ANYWHERE ACROSS THE U.S. 24:47.954 --> 24:50.688 ACROSS THE U.S. IN ARIZONA, 186 HAVE BEEN 24:50.690 --> 24:52.156 IN ARIZONA, 186 HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO SPONSORS. 24:52.158 --> 24:53.724 RELEASED TO SPONSORS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE 24:53.726 --> 24:54.725 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN 24:54.727 --> 24:56.160 TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN THE TUCSON SHELTER BECAUSE THEY 24:56.162 --> 24:57.294 THE TUCSON SHELTER BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL IN THE CUSTODY OF 24:57.296 --> 24:58.996 ARE STILL IN THE CUSTODY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. 24:58.998 --> 25:00.764 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. SO THE CHILDREN ARE EVERYWHERE 25:00.766 --> 25:01.165 SO THE CHILDREN ARE EVERYWHERE ESSENTIALLY. 25:01.167 --> 25:02.733 ESSENTIALLY. THE CHILDREN THAT YOU AND I SAW 25:02.735 --> 25:05.569 THE CHILDREN THAT YOU AND I SAW AT THE NOGALES WAREHOUSE COULD 25:05.571 --> 25:07.204 AT THE NOGALES WAREHOUSE COULD BE IN MAINE, COULD BE IN THE 25:07.206 --> 25:08.973 BE IN MAINE, COULD BE IN THE TUCSON SHELTER OR COULD BE AT 25:08.975 --> 25:10.708 TUCSON SHELTER OR COULD BE AT HOME WITH A PARENT HERE IN THE 25:10.710 --> 25:11.141 HOME WITH A PARENT HERE IN THE U.S. 25:11.143 --> 25:12.743 U.S. >> AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE 25:12.745 --> 25:13.611 >> AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE CHILDREN UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF 25:13.613 --> 25:16.614 CHILDREN UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN 25:16.616 --> 25:17.882 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN TEMPORARY HOME SHELTERS. 25:17.884 --> 25:18.549 TEMPORARY HOME SHELTERS. >> YES. 25:18.551 --> 25:20.417 >> YES. >> YOU DID SOME WORK HERE AT 25:20.419 --> 25:21.952 >> YOU DID SOME WORK HERE AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA ON THE 25:21.954 --> 25:23.287 ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA ON THE RADIO SIDE OF THINGS AND TALKING 25:23.289 --> 25:24.755 RADIO SIDE OF THINGS AND TALKING ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY RESPONSE 25:24.757 --> 25:26.490 ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY RESPONSE AND HOW IT'S REAL WILLY HELPED 25:26.492 --> 25:28.292 AND HOW IT'S REAL WILLY HELPED FOSTER SOME OF THEIR LIFESTYLE 25:28.294 --> 25:29.994 FOSTER SOME OF THEIR LIFESTYLE HERE SINCE THEY'VE ARRIVED. 25:29.996 --> 25:31.762 HERE SINCE THEY'VE ARRIVED. >> YES, PARTICULARLY, I FOCUS ON 25:31.764 --> 25:33.797 >> YES, PARTICULARLY, I FOCUS ON THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT 25:33.799 --> 25:35.432 THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT THE GREYHOUND STATION AS WE'VE 25:35.434 --> 25:36.567 THE GREYHOUND STATION AS WE'VE BEEN REPORTING. 25:36.569 --> 25:38.202 BEEN REPORTING. THOUSANDS BY NOW OF CENTRAL 25:38.204 --> 25:39.570 THOUSANDS BY NOW OF CENTRAL AMERICAN WOMEN, MOST OF THEM 25:39.572 --> 25:41.138 AMERICAN WOMEN, MOST OF THEM FROM GUATEMALA THAT ARRIVE WITH 25:41.140 --> 25:42.606 FROM GUATEMALA THAT ARRIVE WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND ARE 25:42.608 --> 25:44.875 THEIR CHILDREN AND ARE APPREHENDED CROSSING THE BORDER 25:44.877 --> 25:46.210 APPREHENDED CROSSING THE BORDER ILLEGALLY WITH THEIR CHILDREN, 25:46.212 --> 25:47.411 ILLEGALLY WITH THEIR CHILDREN, SOMETIMES INFANTS AND SOME OF 25:47.413 --> 25:48.712 SOMETIMES INFANTS AND SOME OF THEM ARE PREGNANT AND THEY'RE 25:48.714 --> 25:50.881 THEM ARE PREGNANT AND THEY'RE TAKEN AND PROCESSED BY BORDER 25:50.883 --> 25:52.216 TAKEN AND PROCESSED BY BORDER PATROL AND THEN THEY'RE DROPPED 25:52.218 --> 25:54.084 PATROL AND THEN THEY'RE DROPPED OFF AT THE GREYHOUND STATION IN 25:54.086 --> 25:55.486 OFF AT THE GREYHOUND STATION IN TUCSON AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE 25:55.488 --> 25:56.921 TUCSON AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS THEY CANNOT DEPORT THEM 25:56.923 --> 25:58.489 LAW SAYS THEY CANNOT DEPORT THEM RIGHT AWAY AND THEY DROP THEM 25:58.491 --> 26:00.457 RIGHT AWAY AND THEY DROP THEM OFF IN THE GREYHOUND STATION AND 26:00.459 --> 26:02.493 OFF IN THE GREYHOUND STATION AND THE STORY I DID THIS WEEK ON 26:02.495 --> 26:05.129 THE STORY I DID THIS WEEK ON RADIO FOCUS, POLITICS ASIDE, 26:05.131 --> 26:07.898 RADIO FOCUS, POLITICS ASIDE, POLICY ASIDE WHAT IS THE TUCSON 26:07.900 --> 26:08.999 POLICY ASIDE WHAT IS THE TUCSON COMMUNITY DOING TO HELP THESE 26:09.001 --> 26:10.200 COMMUNITY DOING TO HELP THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I SPOKE 26:10.202 --> 26:13.137 WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I SPOKE WITH THE MAN WHO HAS -- HE AND 26:13.139 --> 26:15.039 WITH THE MAN WHO HAS -- HE AND HIS PARTNER HAVE TAKEN IN MORE 26:15.041 --> 26:16.307 HIS PARTNER HAVE TAKEN IN MORE THAN 45 WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR 26:16.309 --> 26:16.974 THAN 45 WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR THE NIGHT. 26:16.976 --> 26:18.976 THE NIGHT. SO WHEN THE BUSSES ARE NOT 26:18.978 --> 26:20.878 SO WHEN THE BUSSES ARE NOT LEAVING THAT DAY FOR THESE WOMEN 26:20.880 --> 26:23.047 LEAVING THAT DAY FOR THESE WOMEN TO GO TO PLACES LIKE TENNESSEE, 26:23.049 --> 26:24.748 TO GO TO PLACES LIKE TENNESSEE, FLORIDA, DELAWARE AS WE HEARD 26:24.750 --> 26:27.918 FLORIDA, DELAWARE AS WE HEARD FROM PERLA EARLIER TODAY OR 26:27.920 --> 26:29.219 FROM PERLA EARLIER TODAY OR EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THESE WOMEN 26:29.221 --> 26:31.655 EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN NEED A PLACE TO 26:31.657 --> 26:31.956 AND CHILDREN NEED A PLACE TO SLEEP. 26:31.958 --> 26:34.291 SLEEP. SO THERE ARE TUCSONIANS OPENING 26:34.293 --> 26:35.960 SO THERE ARE TUCSONIANS OPENING THEIR DOORS TO COMPLETE 26:35.962 --> 26:38.329 THEIR DOORS TO COMPLETE STRANGERS, GIVING THEM A PLACE 26:38.331 --> 26:39.363 STRANGERS, GIVING THEM A PLACE TO SLEEP, A HOT MEAL AND ALLOW 26:39.365 --> 26:41.265 TO SLEEP, A HOT MEAL AND ALLOW THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND SOME 26:41.267 --> 26:42.633 THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND SOME TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT REALLY DOES 26:42.635 --> 26:44.435 TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT REALLY DOES TO SOMEBODY, TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN 26:44.437 --> 26:46.103 TO SOMEBODY, TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN YOURSELF PHYSICALLY AND ALSO 26:46.105 --> 26:48.639 YOURSELF PHYSICALLY AND ALSO EMOTIONALLY TO GIVE YOU A BREAK 26:48.641 --> 26:49.873 EMOTIONALLY TO GIVE YOU A BREAK FROM -- THESE ARE WOMEN AND 26:49.875 --> 26:50.841 FROM -- THESE ARE WOMEN AND CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN 26:50.843 --> 26:52.409 CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN TRAVELING FOR WEEKS, THOUSANDS 26:52.411 --> 26:53.277 TRAVELING FOR WEEKS, THOUSANDS OF MILES. 26:53.279 --> 26:54.578 OF MILES. SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY IS 26:54.580 --> 26:55.946 SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY IS STEPPING UP. 26:55.948 --> 26:57.615 STEPPING UP. CATHOLIC COMMUNITY SERVICES IS 26:57.617 --> 26:59.183 CATHOLIC COMMUNITY SERVICES IS NOW THE LEAD ORGANIZATION TAKING 26:59.185 --> 27:01.018 NOW THE LEAD ORGANIZATION TAKING IN THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT AND THEY 27:01.020 --> 27:02.019 IN THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE 27:02.021 --> 27:04.121 TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE PEOPLE SHOWING UP WITH THEIR 27:04.123 --> 27:05.789 PEOPLE SHOWING UP WITH THEIR PICKUP TRUCKS FULL OF DONATIONS, 27:05.791 --> 27:06.991 PICKUP TRUCKS FULL OF DONATIONS, DIAPERS, BABY CLOTHES AND 27:06.993 --> 27:08.492 DIAPERS, BABY CLOTHES AND HYGIENE ITEMS FOR WOMEN. 27:08.494 --> 27:10.194 HYGIENE ITEMS FOR WOMEN. SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY HAS 27:10.196 --> 27:12.463 SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY HAS RESPONDED IN A WAY THAT I THINK 27:12.465 --> 27:14.064 RESPONDED IN A WAY THAT I THINK MAYBE DIDN'T SURPRISE SOME OF US 27:14.066 --> 27:16.300 MAYBE DIDN'T SURPRISE SOME OF US BECAUSE TUCSONIANS DO THOSE 27:16.302 --> 27:16.634 BECAUSE TUCSONIANS DO THOSE THINGS. 27:16.636 --> 27:18.636 THINGS. >> I MEANT TO ASK YOU, DO WE 27:18.638 --> 27:20.771 >> I MEANT TO ASK YOU, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE IN 27:20.773 --> 27:23.607 KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE IN THE PROCESS THROUGH THE NOGALES 27:23.609 --> 27:23.974 THE PROCESS THROUGH THE NOGALES FACILITY. 27:23.976 --> 27:26.644 FACILITY. >> THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND 27:26.646 --> 27:29.380 >> THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY TOLD ME THAT A TOTAL OF 27:29.382 --> 27:30.781 SECURITY TOLD ME THAT A TOTAL OF 5,479 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 27:30.783 --> 27:32.383 5,479 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN WENT THROUGH THAT NOGALES 27:32.385 --> 27:33.617 WENT THROUGH THAT NOGALES FACILITY YOU AND I VISITED. 27:33.619 --> 27:36.320 FACILITY YOU AND I VISITED. >> AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY, YOU SAY 27:36.322 --> 27:37.554 >> AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY, YOU SAY ROUGHLY ABOUT 700 OR SO. 27:37.556 --> 27:38.756 ROUGHLY ABOUT 700 OR SO. >> ROUGHLY 800. 27:38.758 --> 27:41.358 >> ROUGHLY 800. >> FERNANDA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR 27:41.360 --> 27:42.292 >> FERNANDA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR EXCELLENT REPORTING AND 27:42.294 --> 27:44.528 YOUR EXCELLENT REPORTING AND YOUR ANALYSIS. 27:44.530 --> 27:46.330 YOUR ANALYSIS. WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR YOUR 27:46.332 --> 27:46.664 WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR YOUR REPORTS. 27:46.666 --> 27:47.231 REPORTS. THAT'S OUR PROGRAM. 27:47.233 --> 27:50.034 THAT'S OUR PROGRAM. BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK AS 27:50.036 --> 27:51.735 BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK AS WE DIVE BACK INTO THE UPCOMING 27:51.737 --> 27:52.069 WE DIVE BACK INTO THE UPCOMING PRIMARY. 27:52.071 --> 27:54.672 PRIMARY. I'LL BE MONITORING A 27:54.674 --> 27:55.239 I'LL BE MONITORING A GUBERNATORIAL FORUM. 27:55.241 --> 28:00.310 GUBERNATORIAL FORUM. FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC 28:00.312 --> 28:01.545 FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA, I'M