1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:23,689 >>> FROM ARIZONA TO DELAWARE, TUCSON JOURNALISTS FOLLOW AN 2 00:00:23,691 --> 00:00:24,857 TUCSON JOURNALISTS FOLLOW AN UNDOCUMENTED WOMAN AND HER CHILD 3 00:00:24,859 --> 00:00:26,225 UNDOCUMENTED WOMAN AND HER CHILD ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 4 00:00:26,227 --> 00:00:27,359 ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >>> AND THEN BEING IN 5 00:00:27,361 --> 00:00:29,228 >>> AND THEN BEING IN WASHINGTON, D.C., IN THE 6 00:00:29,230 --> 00:00:33,298 WASHINGTON, D.C., IN THE CAPITAL, I REMEMBER YOU 7 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:33,966 CAPITAL, I REMEMBER YOU MENTIONED IN SPANISH, BUT I 8 00:00:33,968 --> 00:00:35,467 MENTIONED IN SPANISH, BUT I PICKED UP ON IT, YOU MENTIONED 9 00:00:35,469 --> 00:00:36,468 PICKED UP ON IT, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF 10 00:00:36,470 --> 00:00:37,403 THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF THE UNITED STATES. 11 00:00:37,405 --> 00:00:38,270 THE UNITED STATES. I THINK THAT WAS A SURREAL 12 00:00:38,272 --> 00:00:38,604 I THINK THAT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT. 13 00:00:38,606 --> 00:00:40,339 MOMENT. >> AND HAS THE INFLUX OF UNA 14 00:00:40,341 --> 00:00:41,907 >> AND HAS THE INFLUX OF UNA COMPANIED MINORS FROM CENTRAL 15 00:00:41,909 --> 00:00:43,609 COMPANIED MINORS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA AFFECTED BORDER 16 00:00:43,611 --> 00:00:43,976 AMERICA AFFECTED BORDER SECURITY? 17 00:00:43,978 --> 00:00:46,445 SECURITY? ONE ANALYST WEIGHS IN. 18 00:00:46,447 --> 00:00:47,913 ONE ANALYST WEIGHS IN. >> THAT'S WHERE THE BORDER 19 00:00:47,915 --> 00:00:49,982 >> THAT'S WHERE THE BORDER SECURITY PROBLEM COMES IN THAT 20 00:00:49,984 --> 00:00:52,484 SECURITY PROBLEM COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE PAD 21 00:00:52,486 --> 00:00:53,819 WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE PAD GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH 22 00:00:53,821 --> 00:00:56,989 GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LEGISLATIVE INABILITY TO 23 00:00:56,991 --> 00:00:57,256 THE LEGISLATIVE INABILITY TO ACT. 24 00:00:57,258 --> 00:01:05,564 ACT. >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." 25 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:05,898 >> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK." ¶ 26 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,933 ¶ >>> IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE 27 00:01:07,935 --> 00:01:09,268 >>> IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF 28 00:01:09,270 --> 00:01:10,402 TENS OF THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED WOMEN AND CHILDREN 29 00:01:10,404 --> 00:01:12,438 UNDOCUMENTED WOMEN AND CHILDREN BEGAN MAKING THE TRIP TO THE 30 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,172 BEGAN MAKING THE TRIP TO THE U.S. 31 00:01:13,174 --> 00:01:15,240 U.S. LAST WEEK TWO JOURNALISTS FROM 32 00:01:15,242 --> 00:01:19,845 LAST WEEK TWO JOURNALISTS FROM THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR" MET A 33 00:01:19,847 --> 00:01:21,180 THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR" MET A GAL MALAN WOMAN AND HER 34 00:01:21,182 --> 00:01:22,147 GAL MALAN WOMAN AND HER 6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. 35 00:01:22,149 --> 00:01:27,052 6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. THE 22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN AGREED TO 36 00:01:27,054 --> 00:01:27,619 THE 22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN AGREED TO LET THE REPORTER AND 37 00:01:27,621 --> 00:01:28,754 LET THE REPORTER AND PHOTOGRAPHER JOIN THEM ON THE 38 00:01:28,756 --> 00:01:31,790 PHOTOGRAPHER JOIN THEM ON THE LAST LEG OF THE JOURNEY. 39 00:01:31,792 --> 00:01:33,358 LAST LEG OF THE JOURNEY. HERE'S MIKE CHRISTIE OF "THE 40 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,626 HERE'S MIKE CHRISTIE OF "THE ARIZONA DAILY STAR". 41 00:01:34,628 --> 00:01:39,465 ARIZONA DAILY STAR". >> I HAD BEEN THERE PROBABLY 42 00:01:39,467 --> 00:01:41,233 >> I HAD BEEN THERE PROBABLY AROUND 3:00, AND THERE WERE 43 00:01:41,235 --> 00:01:42,701 AROUND 3:00, AND THERE WERE SEVEN WOMEN WITH THEIR KIDS. 44 00:01:42,703 --> 00:01:43,869 SEVEN WOMEN WITH THEIR KIDS. THEY HAD JUST BEEN DROPPED OFF 45 00:01:43,871 --> 00:01:46,004 THEY HAD JUST BEEN DROPPED OFF BY BORDER PATROL AND I WAS JUST 46 00:01:46,006 --> 00:01:47,172 BY BORDER PATROL AND I WAS JUST TALKING TO ALL OF THEM AND 47 00:01:47,174 --> 00:01:48,640 TALKING TO ALL OF THEM AND SOMETHING CLICKED WITH KAREN. 48 00:01:48,642 --> 00:01:50,409 SOMETHING CLICKED WITH KAREN. SHE SEEMED OUTGOING AND I SAT 49 00:01:50,411 --> 00:01:52,978 SHE SEEMED OUTGOING AND I SAT DOWN AND STARTED TALKING TO HER 50 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:54,480 DOWN AND STARTED TALKING TO HER AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HER 51 00:01:54,482 --> 00:01:57,082 AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HER STORY AND ASKED HER IF WE CAN 52 00:01:57,084 --> 00:01:57,583 STORY AND ASKED HER IF WE CAN COME ALONG. 53 00:01:57,585 --> 00:02:00,552 COME ALONG. WE ASKED IF THEY STILL HAD BUS 54 00:02:00,554 --> 00:02:02,454 WE ASKED IF THEY STILL HAD BUS TICKETS THAT TOOK US THE SAME 55 00:02:02,456 --> 00:02:04,289 TICKETS THAT TOOK US THE SAME ROUTE, AND BOUGHT OUR TICKETS 56 00:02:04,291 --> 00:02:06,091 ROUTE, AND BOUGHT OUR TICKETS AND GRABBED A BAG AND WE WERE 57 00:02:06,093 --> 00:02:06,558 AND GRABBED A BAG AND WE WERE READY TO GO. 58 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,459 READY TO GO. >> AT THAT POINT YOU BROUGHT 59 00:02:07,461 --> 00:02:08,961 >> AT THAT POINT YOU BROUGHT YOUR PHOTOGRAPHER OVER AND SAID 60 00:02:08,963 --> 00:02:10,863 YOUR PHOTOGRAPHER OVER AND SAID HEY, MIKE, COME MEET KAREN AND 61 00:02:10,865 --> 00:02:12,764 HEY, MIKE, COME MEET KAREN AND HE'S COMING ALONG, TOO. 62 00:02:12,766 --> 00:02:14,900 HE'S COMING ALONG, TOO. >> YEAH, THAT WAS ME. 63 00:02:14,902 --> 00:02:16,969 >> YEAH, THAT WAS ME. I DIVERTED IT TO HER EFFORT 64 00:02:16,971 --> 00:02:18,103 I DIVERTED IT TO HER EFFORT HANDLING THE CONVERSATIONS. 65 00:02:18,105 --> 00:02:19,505 HANDLING THE CONVERSATIONS. I COULD UNDERSTAND AING BIT OF 66 00:02:19,507 --> 00:02:21,707 I COULD UNDERSTAND AING BIT OF SPANISH AND I SHOWED UP TO THE 67 00:02:21,709 --> 00:02:24,276 SPANISH AND I SHOWED UP TO THE BUS STATION PROBABLE ADMIDDAY AT 68 00:02:24,278 --> 00:02:26,712 BUS STATION PROBABLE ADMIDDAY AT 3:00 OR 4:00 AND PEARLA HAD BEEN 69 00:02:26,714 --> 00:02:28,514 3:00 OR 4:00 AND PEARLA HAD BEEN THERE FOR HOURS AND SHE WAS 70 00:02:28,516 --> 00:02:30,282 THERE FOR HOURS AND SHE WAS SITTING WITH KAREN AND I SAT ON 71 00:02:30,284 --> 00:02:31,450 SITTING WITH KAREN AND I SAT ON A BENCH IN FRONT OF THEM AND 72 00:02:31,452 --> 00:02:32,951 A BENCH IN FRONT OF THEM AND JUST KIND OF LISTENED TO THE 73 00:02:32,953 --> 00:02:33,385 JUST KIND OF LISTENED TO THE CONVERSATION. 74 00:02:33,387 --> 00:02:35,254 CONVERSATION. IT WAS ALL IN SPANISH, AND I 75 00:02:35,256 --> 00:02:36,989 IT WAS ALL IN SPANISH, AND I THINK WE WERE ON FOR 10 OR 15 76 00:02:36,991 --> 00:02:38,290 THINK WE WERE ON FOR 10 OR 15 MINUTES AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE 77 00:02:38,292 --> 00:02:40,759 MINUTES AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE LOOKING AT PERL ALIKE, ARE WE 78 00:02:40,761 --> 00:02:42,628 LOOKING AT PERL ALIKE, ARE WE GOOD TO GO, AND THIS IS GOING 79 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:44,396 GOOD TO GO, AND THIS IS GOING FALL THROUGH AND WE'RE NOT GOING 80 00:02:44,398 --> 00:02:45,397 FALL THROUGH AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL BE 81 00:02:45,399 --> 00:02:46,665 TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL BE OPEN TO US GOING ALONG WITH THEM 82 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:49,067 OPEN TO US GOING ALONG WITH THEM AND SO FINALLY, PERLA TURNS TO 83 00:02:49,069 --> 00:02:50,402 AND SO FINALLY, PERLA TURNS TO ME AND SAID THEY'RE OKAY WITH US 84 00:02:50,404 --> 00:02:51,603 ME AND SAID THEY'RE OKAY WITH US GOING WITH THEM. 85 00:02:51,605 --> 00:02:55,908 GOING WITH THEM. >> I SAID OKAY, WHERE ARE THEY 86 00:02:55,910 --> 00:02:56,208 >> I SAID OKAY, WHERE ARE THEY GOING? 87 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:56,742 GOING? SHE SAID DELAWARE. 88 00:02:56,744 --> 00:02:57,976 SHE SAID DELAWARE. I SAID THAT'S ON THE EAST COAST 89 00:02:57,978 --> 00:02:59,578 I SAID THAT'S ON THE EAST COAST AND FROM THERE, WE WENT AND 90 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:01,180 AND FROM THERE, WE WENT AND FOUND TWO TICKETS THE SAME AND 91 00:03:01,182 --> 00:03:01,947 FOUND TWO TICKETS THE SAME AND OFF WE WENT. 92 00:03:01,949 --> 00:03:03,348 OFF WE WENT. >> AND THE BUS MADE STOPS EVERY 93 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:07,252 >> AND THE BUS MADE STOPS EVERY FOUR HOURS AND HOW MANY STATES 94 00:03:07,254 --> 00:03:07,986 FOUR HOURS AND HOW MANY STATES DID YOU CROSS THROUGH? 95 00:03:07,988 --> 00:03:08,387 DID YOU CROSS THROUGH? >> 12. 96 00:03:08,389 --> 00:03:09,254 >> 12. >> 12 OF THEM. 97 00:03:09,256 --> 00:03:10,789 >> 12 OF THEM. >> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING IN A 98 00:03:10,791 --> 00:03:11,056 >> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING IN A BUS? 99 00:03:11,058 --> 00:03:12,591 BUS? NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAD EVER 100 00:03:12,593 --> 00:03:14,626 NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAD EVER RIDDEN A BUS FOR THAT LONG OF A 101 00:03:14,628 --> 00:03:16,361 RIDDEN A BUS FOR THAT LONG OF A TIME PERIOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE 102 00:03:16,363 --> 00:03:17,796 TIME PERIOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR 103 00:03:17,798 --> 00:03:19,598 BEEN A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR YOU. 104 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:20,899 YOU. >> THERE WERE SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL 105 00:03:20,901 --> 00:03:21,800 >> THERE WERE SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL HIGHS AND LOWS. 106 00:03:21,802 --> 00:03:23,669 HIGHS AND LOWS. I THINK YOU'RE ON A LITTLE BIT 107 00:03:23,671 --> 00:03:27,406 I THINK YOU'RE ON A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADRENALINE HIGH AS SOON AS 108 00:03:27,408 --> 00:03:29,374 OF AN ADRENALINE HIGH AS SOON AS YOU LEAVE LIKE, HOLY COW, WE'RE 109 00:03:29,376 --> 00:03:30,275 YOU LEAVE LIKE, HOLY COW, WE'RE REALLY DOING THIS. 110 00:03:30,277 --> 00:03:32,411 REALLY DOING THIS. WE LEFT LATE AT NIGHT AND WHEN 111 00:03:32,413 --> 00:03:34,846 WE LEFT LATE AT NIGHT AND WHEN WE GOT INTO EL PASO IT WAS 1:30 112 00:03:34,848 --> 00:03:37,549 WE GOT INTO EL PASO IT WAS 1:30 ORE 2:00 AND WE GOT IN THERE AND 113 00:03:37,551 --> 00:03:39,351 ORE 2:00 AND WE GOT IN THERE AND I LOOKED AT A MAP AND FELT HOW 114 00:03:39,353 --> 00:03:41,653 I LOOKED AT A MAP AND FELT HOW LONG WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING WHICH 115 00:03:41,655 --> 00:03:43,255 LONG WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING WHICH SEEMED LIKE A LONG TIME AND 116 00:03:43,257 --> 00:03:44,656 SEEMED LIKE A LONG TIME AND FOUND HOW SCANT A DISTANCE WE 117 00:03:44,658 --> 00:03:46,024 FOUND HOW SCANT A DISTANCE WE HAD ACTUALLY TRAVELED FROM 118 00:03:46,026 --> 00:03:47,426 HAD ACTUALLY TRAVELED FROM TUCSON AND THE REMAINDER OF IT 119 00:03:47,428 --> 00:03:48,760 TUCSON AND THE REMAINDER OF IT AND THAT'S WHEN IT SETTLED IN 120 00:03:48,762 --> 00:03:50,762 AND THAT'S WHEN IT SETTLED IN AND YOU KIND OF TRY TO PREPARE 121 00:03:50,764 --> 00:03:52,030 AND YOU KIND OF TRY TO PREPARE YOURSELF PSYCHOLOGICALLY WHILE 122 00:03:52,032 --> 00:03:53,732 YOURSELF PSYCHOLOGICALLY WHILE ALSO KNOWING WE HAVE A JOB TO DO 123 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:58,971 ALSO KNOWING WE HAVE A JOB TO DO AND A STORY TO TELL. 124 00:03:58,973 --> 00:04:00,872 AND A STORY TO TELL. >> WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, PERLA, 125 00:04:00,874 --> 00:04:02,774 >> WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, PERLA, ASKING QUESTIONS AND MOM KAREN 126 00:04:02,776 --> 00:04:04,509 ASKING QUESTIONS AND MOM KAREN IS DAUGHTER AND HER DAUGHTER 127 00:04:04,511 --> 00:04:06,578 IS DAUGHTER AND HER DAUGHTER LISSETTE IS 6 AND SHE WAS 128 00:04:06,580 --> 00:04:07,079 LISSETTE IS 6 AND SHE WAS EXHAUSTED HERSELF. 129 00:04:07,081 --> 00:04:08,413 EXHAUSTED HERSELF. DID YOU HAVE MUCH OPPORTUNITY 130 00:04:08,415 --> 00:04:09,848 DID YOU HAVE MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR THE Q AND A. 131 00:04:09,850 --> 00:04:10,749 FOR THE Q AND A. >> I WAITED. 132 00:04:10,751 --> 00:04:16,154 >> I WAITED. ANOTHER LADY WAS ALSO TRAVELING. 133 00:04:16,156 --> 00:04:17,689 ANOTHER LADY WAS ALSO TRAVELING. SHE GOT OFF IN MISSISSIPPI. 134 00:04:17,691 --> 00:04:18,957 SHE GOT OFF IN MISSISSIPPI. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THE 135 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:19,992 AND I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THE PERSONAL QUESTIONS WITH THE 136 00:04:19,994 --> 00:04:21,960 PERSONAL QUESTIONS WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND AND I WAITED 137 00:04:21,962 --> 00:04:23,295 OTHER PEOPLE AROUND AND I WAITED AFTER MISSISSIPPI AND I WAITED 138 00:04:23,297 --> 00:04:25,264 AFTER MISSISSIPPI AND I WAITED UNTIL DAY THREE AND BY THAT 139 00:04:25,266 --> 00:04:26,431 UNTIL DAY THREE AND BY THAT POINT I WAS FEELING ANXIOUS AND 140 00:04:26,433 --> 00:04:28,200 POINT I WAS FEELING ANXIOUS AND YOU'RE SPENDING ALL OF THIS TIME 141 00:04:28,202 --> 00:04:30,736 YOU'RE SPENDING ALL OF THIS TIME AND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED TO 142 00:04:30,738 --> 00:04:31,436 AND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED TO THEM AND SO BASICALLY BEFORE 143 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:33,272 THEM AND SO BASICALLY BEFORE THAT IT WAS JUST WHEN WE GOT OFF 144 00:04:33,274 --> 00:04:34,873 THAT IT WAS JUST WHEN WE GOT OFF WE WOULD JUST HAVE A NORMAL 145 00:04:34,875 --> 00:04:35,807 WE WOULD JUST HAVE A NORMAL CONVERSATION AND FROM THERE I 146 00:04:35,809 --> 00:04:37,142 CONVERSATION AND FROM THERE I WOULD GET BACK TO THE BUS AND 147 00:04:37,144 --> 00:04:38,610 WOULD GET BACK TO THE BUS AND START TAKING NOTES FROM WHAT WE 148 00:04:38,612 --> 00:04:43,282 START TAKING NOTES FROM WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AND MY FIRST 149 00:04:43,284 --> 00:04:44,883 HAD TALKED ABOUT AND MY FIRST SITDOWN, Q AND A WAS IN DALLAS 150 00:04:44,885 --> 00:04:45,784 SITDOWN, Q AND A WAS IN DALLAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 151 00:04:45,786 --> 00:04:46,952 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS THE THIRD DAY THAT WE 152 00:04:46,954 --> 00:04:49,788 IT WAS THE THIRD DAY THAT WE WERE THERE AND I KNEW I HAD TO 153 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:51,657 WERE THERE AND I KNEW I HAD TO GET IT DONE BEFORE WE GOT TO 154 00:04:51,659 --> 00:04:52,691 GET IT DONE BEFORE WE GOT TO DELAWARE BECAUSE THEN THERE 155 00:04:52,693 --> 00:04:53,692 DELAWARE BECAUSE THEN THERE WOULD BE OTHER THINGS GOING. 156 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:55,627 WOULD BE OTHER THINGS GOING. >> MIKE, THERE HAD TOO TO HAVE 157 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:56,962 >> MIKE, THERE HAD TOO TO HAVE BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR YOU AS A 158 00:04:56,964 --> 00:04:58,363 BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR YOU AS A PHOTOGRAPHER WITH A PRETTY GOOD 159 00:04:58,365 --> 00:05:00,432 PHOTOGRAPHER WITH A PRETTY GOOD SIZED CAMERA, KIND OF RESPECTING 160 00:05:00,434 --> 00:05:01,566 SIZED CAMERA, KIND OF RESPECTING THEIR PRIVACY. 161 00:05:01,568 --> 00:05:02,200 THEIR PRIVACY. >> UH-HUH. 162 00:05:02,202 --> 00:05:04,202 >> UH-HUH. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THING, I 163 00:05:04,204 --> 00:05:05,971 YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THING, I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT WITH MY 164 00:05:05,973 --> 00:05:07,339 SPOKE A LITTLE BIT WITH MY EDITOR ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO 165 00:05:07,341 --> 00:05:08,206 EDITOR ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO ATTACK IT. 166 00:05:08,208 --> 00:05:10,976 ATTACK IT. ON ANY OTHER GENERAL DAILY 167 00:05:10,978 --> 00:05:14,012 ON ANY OTHER GENERAL DAILY ASSIGNMENT I ATTACK THINGS 168 00:05:14,014 --> 00:05:15,280 ASSIGNMENT I ATTACK THINGS FAIRLY AGGRESSIVELY AND I CAN 169 00:05:15,282 --> 00:05:17,516 FAIRLY AGGRESSIVELY AND I CAN PUT IT ON A HIGH BURST RATE AND 170 00:05:17,518 --> 00:05:19,418 PUT IT ON A HIGH BURST RATE AND FIRE OFF FRAMES LIKE IT'S A 171 00:05:19,420 --> 00:05:20,085 FIRE OFF FRAMES LIKE IT'S A MACHINE GUN. 172 00:05:20,087 --> 00:05:22,254 MACHINE GUN. WITH THIS, THE ATTACK WAS ALMOST 173 00:05:22,256 --> 00:05:24,089 WITH THIS, THE ATTACK WAS ALMOST MORE OF AN OLD SCHOOL APPROACH. 174 00:05:24,091 --> 00:05:28,293 MORE OF AN OLD SCHOOL APPROACH. I TOOK ONE CAMERA BODY AND A 175 00:05:28,295 --> 00:05:30,329 I TOOK ONE CAMERA BODY AND A WIDE-ANGLE LENS AND A MID-RANGE 176 00:05:30,331 --> 00:05:31,563 WIDE-ANGLE LENS AND A MID-RANGE LENS AND NOTHING THAT WAS BIGGER 177 00:05:31,565 --> 00:05:33,799 LENS AND NOTHING THAT WAS BIGGER THAN, SAY, OUT TO HERE. 178 00:05:33,801 --> 00:05:35,100 THAN, SAY, OUT TO HERE. SO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS A 179 00:05:35,102 --> 00:05:36,635 SO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE. 180 00:05:36,637 --> 00:05:40,038 LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE. WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, 181 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,007 WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING WITH 182 00:05:42,009 --> 00:05:45,143 YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING WITH THAT AND I TRIED TO FURTHER THAT 183 00:05:45,145 --> 00:05:46,812 THAT AND I TRIED TO FURTHER THAT ALONG AND I COULD KEEP THE 184 00:05:46,814 --> 00:05:48,413 ALONG AND I COULD KEEP THE CONVERSATIONS GOING WITH IT. 185 00:05:48,415 --> 00:05:52,117 CONVERSATIONS GOING WITH IT. AND THE CHALLENGE MORE SO LAY 186 00:05:52,119 --> 00:05:53,852 AND THE CHALLENGE MORE SO LAY WITH THE OTHER PASSENGERS ON THE 187 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:54,119 WITH THE OTHER PASSENGERS ON THE BUS. 188 00:05:54,121 --> 00:05:57,456 BUS. I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION 189 00:05:57,458 --> 00:05:59,391 I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF BECAUSE AN EXPENSIVE 190 00:05:59,393 --> 00:06:01,226 TO MYSELF BECAUSE AN EXPENSIVE CAMERA BODY KIND OF STICKS OUT. 191 00:06:01,228 --> 00:06:03,628 CAMERA BODY KIND OF STICKS OUT. SO I KIND OF HAD TO METER MY 192 00:06:03,630 --> 00:06:04,329 SO I KIND OF HAD TO METER MY SHOTS. 193 00:06:04,331 --> 00:06:06,331 SHOTS. I COULDN'T FIRE OFF SIX, SEVEN 194 00:06:06,333 --> 00:06:06,965 I COULDN'T FIRE OFF SIX, SEVEN FRAMES A SECOND. 195 00:06:06,967 --> 00:06:10,202 FRAMES A SECOND. I PUT IT ON -- MY CAMERA ON A 196 00:06:10,204 --> 00:06:12,237 I PUT IT ON -- MY CAMERA ON A SLOWER SAFETY MODE, A LITTLE BIT 197 00:06:12,239 --> 00:06:13,939 SLOWER SAFETY MODE, A LITTLE BIT SILENT AND SO I COULD FIRE OFF 198 00:06:13,941 --> 00:06:16,341 SILENT AND SO I COULD FIRE OFF ONE FRAME AT A TIME AND TWO 199 00:06:16,343 --> 00:06:17,776 ONE FRAME AT A TIME AND TWO FRAMES AT A TIME AND LOOK AT IT 200 00:06:17,778 --> 00:06:19,644 FRAMES AT A TIME AND LOOK AT IT AND ADJUF THE FOCUS AND I DIDN'T 201 00:06:19,646 --> 00:06:20,979 AND ADJUF THE FOCUS AND I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF 202 00:06:20,981 --> 00:06:22,247 WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF AND RESPECT A LITTLE BIT OF 203 00:06:22,249 --> 00:06:25,584 AND RESPECT A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR PRIVACY, BUT THEY LET US 204 00:06:25,586 --> 00:06:26,585 THEIR PRIVACY, BUT THEY LET US IN ON THESE MOMENTS AND I DIDN'T 205 00:06:26,587 --> 00:06:28,487 IN ON THESE MOMENTS AND I DIDN'T WANT TO LET THEM SLIP AWAY. 206 00:06:28,489 --> 00:06:30,489 WANT TO LET THEM SLIP AWAY. >> EMOTIONALLY, THERE HAD TO 207 00:06:30,491 --> 00:06:31,690 >> EMOTIONALLY, THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY TOUGH 208 00:06:31,692 --> 00:06:33,225 HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY TOUGH TIMES WHEN MOM IS WORRIED ABOUT 209 00:06:33,227 --> 00:06:35,560 TIMES WHEN MOM IS WORRIED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILD AND 210 00:06:35,562 --> 00:06:36,294 THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILD AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL MAKE IT 211 00:06:36,296 --> 00:06:37,596 WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL MAKE IT ALL OF THE WAY TO DELAWARE AND 212 00:06:37,598 --> 00:06:39,297 ALL OF THE WAY TO DELAWARE AND HOW DID YOU FILTER THROUGH THE 213 00:06:39,299 --> 00:06:40,465 HOW DID YOU FILTER THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RESPECTING THEIR TIME 214 00:06:40,467 --> 00:06:43,135 PROCESS OF RESPECTING THEIR TIME AND THEIR EMOTION DURING THIS 215 00:06:43,137 --> 00:06:44,469 AND THEIR EMOTION DURING THIS PROBABLY PRETTY TERRIFYING 216 00:06:44,471 --> 00:06:44,870 PROBABLY PRETTY TERRIFYING EXPERIENCE? 217 00:06:44,872 --> 00:06:46,638 EXPERIENCE? >> I THINK THE HARDEST PART FOR 218 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,007 >> I THINK THE HARDEST PART FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO 219 00:06:49,009 --> 00:06:49,341 THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO MEXICO. 220 00:06:49,343 --> 00:06:52,177 MEXICO. I THINK HAVING THE VOLUNTEERS AT 221 00:06:52,179 --> 00:06:53,645 I THINK HAVING THE VOLUNTEERS AT THE GREYHOUND STATION MADE A 222 00:06:53,647 --> 00:06:54,980 THE GREYHOUND STATION MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM BECAUSE 223 00:06:54,982 --> 00:06:56,348 HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO 224 00:06:56,350 --> 00:06:58,283 THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO NAVIGATE THIS ON THEIR OWN AND 225 00:06:58,285 --> 00:07:00,051 NAVIGATE THIS ON THEIR OWN AND THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE, YOU 226 00:07:00,053 --> 00:07:01,720 THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH A SMILE AND GIVING 227 00:07:01,722 --> 00:07:03,422 KNOW, WITH A SMILE AND GIVING THEM HUGS AND WALKING THEM 228 00:07:03,424 --> 00:07:04,656 THEM HUGS AND WALKING THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS. 229 00:07:04,658 --> 00:07:06,658 THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO I THINK -- AND ALSO BECAUSE 230 00:07:06,660 --> 00:07:07,926 SO I THINK -- AND ALSO BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE BUS WITH THEM 231 00:07:07,928 --> 00:07:09,294 WE WERE IN THE BUS WITH THEM THEY NEVER REALLY FELT THEY WERE 232 00:07:09,296 --> 00:07:10,429 THEY NEVER REALLY FELT THEY WERE GOING TO GET LOST. 233 00:07:10,431 --> 00:07:11,930 GOING TO GET LOST. I THINK WE ALL AT SOME POINT 234 00:07:11,932 --> 00:07:13,465 I THINK WE ALL AT SOME POINT THOUGHT WE WOULD GET LOST OR THE 235 00:07:13,467 --> 00:07:15,333 THOUGHT WE WOULD GET LOST OR THE BUS WAS LEAVING WITHOUT US, BUT 236 00:07:15,335 --> 00:07:16,568 BUS WAS LEAVING WITHOUT US, BUT I THINK FACT THAT WE WERE THERE 237 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:19,604 I THINK FACT THAT WE WERE THERE WAS REASSURING AND UNFRNLY, I 238 00:07:19,606 --> 00:07:21,840 WAS REASSURING AND UNFRNLY, I THINK THE MOST DIFFICULT PART 239 00:07:21,842 --> 00:07:24,242 THINK THE MOST DIFFICULT PART FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO 240 00:07:24,244 --> 00:07:26,578 FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO MEXICO AND WE WERE NOT THERE TO 241 00:07:26,580 --> 00:07:27,746 MEXICO AND WE WERE NOT THERE TO SEE THAT. 242 00:07:27,748 --> 00:07:29,581 SEE THAT. WE JUST HAD TO ASK QUESTIONS TO 243 00:07:29,583 --> 00:07:31,817 WE JUST HAD TO ASK QUESTIONS TO NARRATE THAT PART OF THE STORY 244 00:07:31,819 --> 00:07:32,884 NARRATE THAT PART OF THE STORY THROUGH THEIR VOICE, BUT I THINK 245 00:07:32,886 --> 00:07:34,853 THROUGH THEIR VOICE, BUT I THINK THE HARDEST PART FROM THE -- 246 00:07:34,855 --> 00:07:37,889 THE HARDEST PART FROM THE -- FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE WAS JUST 247 00:07:37,891 --> 00:07:41,026 FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE WAS JUST MISSING HER FAMILY AND WE DID 248 00:07:41,028 --> 00:07:42,994 MISSING HER FAMILY AND WE DID SEE ON WEDNESDAY IT HAD BEEN A 249 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:44,129 SEE ON WEDNESDAY IT HAD BEEN A WOKE SINCE SHE'D LEFT AND SHE 250 00:07:44,131 --> 00:07:45,931 WOKE SINCE SHE'D LEFT AND SHE WAS PONDERING AND I ASKED HER 251 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:47,432 WAS PONDERING AND I ASKED HER LATER ON WHAT WERE YOU THINKING 252 00:07:47,434 --> 00:07:49,334 LATER ON WHAT WERE YOU THINKING WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING OUT THE 253 00:07:49,336 --> 00:07:49,668 WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW. 254 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:51,470 WINDOW. SHE SAID TODAY IS A WEEK I LEFT 255 00:07:51,472 --> 00:07:52,571 SHE SAID TODAY IS A WEEK I LEFT MY HOME AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN 256 00:07:52,573 --> 00:07:54,139 MY HOME AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN I'LL SEE MY PARENTS AGAIN. 257 00:07:54,141 --> 00:07:55,907 I'LL SEE MY PARENTS AGAIN. I THINK IT WAS MORE OF AN 258 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:57,609 I THINK IT WAS MORE OF AN EMOTIONAL MORE THAN A SCARY 259 00:07:57,611 --> 00:08:00,278 EMOTIONAL MORE THAN A SCARY FEELING FOR THEM AT THAT POINT. 260 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,513 FEELING FOR THEM AT THAT POINT. >> MIKE, CAPTURING THAT EMOTION, 261 00:08:01,515 --> 00:08:02,914 >> MIKE, CAPTURING THAT EMOTION, YOU DID VERY WELL IN THE PHOTOS 262 00:08:02,916 --> 00:08:06,852 YOU DID VERY WELL IN THE PHOTOS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE. 263 00:08:06,854 --> 00:08:08,620 THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE. THAT WAS A TRACK TRICKY PART FO 264 00:08:08,622 --> 00:08:09,888 THAT WAS A TRACK TRICKY PART FO BECAUSE WE HAVE A 6-YEAR-OLD 265 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:11,756 BECAUSE WE HAVE A 6-YEAR-OLD GIRL WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER 266 00:08:11,758 --> 00:08:14,793 GIRL WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER FUTURE HOLDS AND A MOM EMBARKING 267 00:08:14,795 --> 00:08:16,261 FUTURE HOLDS AND A MOM EMBARKING ON THIS JOURNEY. 268 00:08:16,263 --> 00:08:18,029 ON THIS JOURNEY. >> SHE WAS VERY OUTGOING AND SHE 269 00:08:18,031 --> 00:08:21,766 >> SHE WAS VERY OUTGOING AND SHE SLEPT A LOT, BUT THE TIME SHE 270 00:08:21,768 --> 00:08:24,269 SLEPT A LOT, BUT THE TIME SHE WAS AWAKE SHE WAS FURIOUSLY 271 00:08:24,271 --> 00:08:28,006 WAS AWAKE SHE WAS FURIOUSLY COLORING IN A KOHL ORG BOOK OR 272 00:08:28,008 --> 00:08:31,009 COLORING IN A KOHL ORG BOOK OR FEEDING CHEETOS TO A STUFFED 273 00:08:31,011 --> 00:08:31,343 FEEDING CHEETOS TO A STUFFED PENGUIN. 274 00:08:31,345 --> 00:08:32,744 PENGUIN. SHE WAS RECEPTIVE AND YOUNGER 275 00:08:32,746 --> 00:08:34,846 SHE WAS RECEPTIVE AND YOUNGER KIDS ARE ENAMORED WITH THE 276 00:08:34,848 --> 00:08:35,847 KIDS ARE ENAMORED WITH THE CAMERA AND SOMEONE PAYING 277 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:37,048 CAMERA AND SOMEONE PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM AND I THINK 278 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:38,850 ATTENTION TO THEM AND I THINK AFTER A WHILE SHE KIND OF 279 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:40,085 AFTER A WHILE SHE KIND OF LEARNED THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO 280 00:08:40,087 --> 00:08:41,052 LEARNED THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ME. 281 00:08:41,054 --> 00:08:43,221 LOOK AT ME. SHE CAN IGNORE ME AND DO HER OWN 282 00:08:43,223 --> 00:08:44,489 SHE CAN IGNORE ME AND DO HER OWN THING WHICH IS WHAT I NEED AND 283 00:08:44,491 --> 00:08:46,658 THING WHICH IS WHAT I NEED AND THE MOMENTS BETWEEN HER MOM 284 00:08:46,660 --> 00:08:48,026 THE MOMENTS BETWEEN HER MOM AUFSH TIMES, THEY WERE ASLEEP 285 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:49,494 AUFSH TIMES, THEY WERE ASLEEP AND GROGGY AND YOU CAN CAN SEE 286 00:08:49,496 --> 00:08:51,029 AND GROGGY AND YOU CAN CAN SEE SOME TYPE OF EMOTION IN THEM AND 287 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:52,464 SOME TYPE OF EMOTION IN THEM AND I THINK THE LEAD PHOTOGRAPH FROM 288 00:08:52,466 --> 00:08:56,801 I THINK THE LEAD PHOTOGRAPH FROM THIS ASSIGNMENT WAS A PICTURE IN 289 00:08:56,803 --> 00:08:58,236 THIS ASSIGNMENT WAS A PICTURE IN THE EARLY MORNING LIGHT AND SHE 290 00:08:58,238 --> 00:09:01,172 THE EARLY MORNING LIGHT AND SHE WAS KIND OF LAYING ASLEEP AND 291 00:09:01,174 --> 00:09:02,941 WAS KIND OF LAYING ASLEEP AND KAREN WAS KIND OF LEANING OVER 292 00:09:02,943 --> 00:09:04,743 KAREN WAS KIND OF LEANING OVER HER AND LOOKING AT HER IN AND 293 00:09:04,745 --> 00:09:05,977 HER AND LOOKING AT HER IN AND OUT WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH THE 294 00:09:05,979 --> 00:09:07,445 OUT WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE TRIP FOR THEM AND IT WAS 295 00:09:07,447 --> 00:09:10,081 WHOLE TRIP FOR THEM AND IT WAS JUST KIND OF THIS MOMENT THAT 296 00:09:10,083 --> 00:09:11,683 JUST KIND OF THIS MOMENT THAT WAS SHARED BETWEEN THEM AND 297 00:09:11,685 --> 00:09:13,151 WAS SHARED BETWEEN THEM AND EMBODIED THEIR TRIP FROM TUCSON 298 00:09:13,153 --> 00:09:13,885 EMBODIED THEIR TRIP FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE. 299 00:09:13,887 --> 00:09:15,654 TO DELAWARE. >> IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING HOW 300 00:09:15,656 --> 00:09:19,090 >> IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING HOW QUICKLY THEY LEARNED TO IGNORE 301 00:09:19,092 --> 00:09:19,391 QUICKLY THEY LEARNED TO IGNORE MIKE. 302 00:09:19,393 --> 00:09:20,725 MIKE. THEY STOPPED PAYING COMPLETE 303 00:09:20,727 --> 00:09:24,162 THEY STOPPED PAYING COMPLETE ATTENTION TO THEM LIKE HAVING A 304 00:09:24,164 --> 00:09:26,831 ATTENTION TO THEM LIKE HAVING A PHOTOGRAPH OR CAMERA SHOOTING 305 00:09:26,833 --> 00:09:28,633 PHOTOGRAPH OR CAMERA SHOOTING PHOTOS AND THAT IS OFTEN 306 00:09:28,635 --> 00:09:29,367 PHOTOS AND THAT IS OFTEN DIFFICULT TO HAVE PEOPLE STARING 307 00:09:29,369 --> 00:09:30,135 DIFFICULT TO HAVE PEOPLE STARING INTO THE CAMERA. 308 00:09:30,137 --> 00:09:31,703 INTO THE CAMERA. THEY GET OVER THAT PRETTY 309 00:09:31,705 --> 00:09:32,037 THEY GET OVER THAT PRETTY QUICKLY. 310 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:33,772 QUICKLY. >> SO THEN YOU GET CLOSER TO 311 00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:35,507 >> SO THEN YOU GET CLOSER TO DELAWARE, THE EMOTIONS START TO 312 00:09:35,509 --> 00:09:36,074 DELAWARE, THE EMOTIONS START TO FEEL DIFFERENT. 313 00:09:36,076 --> 00:09:38,310 FEEL DIFFERENT. KAREN AND LIZETTE, ARE THEY 314 00:09:38,312 --> 00:09:39,744 KAREN AND LIZETTE, ARE THEY EXCITED ALL OF A SUDDEN? 315 00:09:39,746 --> 00:09:41,479 EXCITED ALL OF A SUDDEN? >> LIZETTE WAS MOSTLY TIRED. 316 00:09:41,481 --> 00:09:43,481 >> LIZETTE WAS MOSTLY TIRED. I THINK THE MORNING BEFORE WE 317 00:09:43,483 --> 00:09:44,816 I THINK THE MORNING BEFORE WE GOT TO DELAWARE, SHE SAID I 318 00:09:44,818 --> 00:09:46,318 GOT TO DELAWARE, SHE SAID I DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL ANYMORE. 319 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,118 DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL ANYMORE. SHE WAS DONE. 320 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,387 SHE WAS DONE. SHE WAS EXHAUSTED AND SHE JUST 321 00:09:49,389 --> 00:09:52,490 SHE WAS EXHAUSTED AND SHE JUST UPONED TO BE OVER WITH IT, AND I 322 00:09:52,492 --> 00:09:54,025 UPONED TO BE OVER WITH IT, AND I THINK, KAREN, A LITTLE BIT OF 323 00:09:54,027 --> 00:09:55,026 THINK, KAREN, A LITTLE BIT OF THE SAME THING. 324 00:09:55,028 --> 00:09:56,494 THE SAME THING. I THINK IT WAS MORE EXHAUSTION 325 00:09:56,496 --> 00:09:58,029 I THINK IT WAS MORE EXHAUSTION THAN EXCITEMENT UNTIL WE GOT TO 326 00:09:58,031 --> 00:09:59,464 THAN EXCITEMENT UNTIL WE GOT TO THE BUS STATION OR TO THE BUS 327 00:09:59,466 --> 00:10:02,400 THE BUS STATION OR TO THE BUS STOP AND SHE SAW THE BROTHER GET 328 00:10:02,402 --> 00:10:04,035 STOP AND SHE SAW THE BROTHER GET OUT, AND YOU REALLY SAW THE 329 00:10:04,037 --> 00:10:05,570 OUT, AND YOU REALLY SAW THE EMOTION AND YOU THINK ABOUT A 330 00:10:05,572 --> 00:10:07,105 EMOTION AND YOU THINK ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU THINK A 331 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:09,007 YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU THINK A YEAR AND A HALF, NOT THAT LONG 332 00:10:09,009 --> 00:10:11,176 YEAR AND A HALF, NOT THAT LONG OR FOR SOME FAMILIES IT'S A LOT 333 00:10:11,178 --> 00:10:13,144 OR FOR SOME FAMILIES IT'S A LOT LONGER, BUT SEEING THE EMOTION 334 00:10:13,146 --> 00:10:14,613 LONGER, BUT SEEING THE EMOTION BETWEEN THE TWO SIBLINGS AND 335 00:10:14,615 --> 00:10:17,048 BETWEEN THE TWO SIBLINGS AND BETWEEN THE BROTHER AND LIZETTE, 336 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:18,617 BETWEEN THE BROTHER AND LIZETTE, YOU WOULD HAVE THINK THEY HADN'T 337 00:10:18,619 --> 00:10:20,652 YOU WOULD HAVE THINK THEY HADN'T SEEN EACH OTHER IN A MUCH, MUCH 338 00:10:20,654 --> 00:10:21,252 SEEN EACH OTHER IN A MUCH, MUCH LONGER TIME. 339 00:10:21,254 --> 00:10:23,021 LONGER TIME. THEY WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO 340 00:10:23,023 --> 00:10:24,055 THEY WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO ON HUG EACH OTHER 341 00:10:24,057 --> 00:10:29,628 BE ABLE TO ON HUG EACH OTHER AGAIN. 342 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:34,699 AGAIN. AND ALSO CAPTURING IT, AND THE 343 00:10:34,701 --> 00:10:36,801 AND ALSO CAPTURING IT, AND THE TRICKY PART IS AT THE END AS WE 344 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:37,936 TRICKY PART IS AT THE END AS WE WERE BANKING ON HER BROTHER AND 345 00:10:37,938 --> 00:10:39,738 WERE BANKING ON HER BROTHER AND THE FAMILY BEING RECEPTIVE FOR 346 00:10:39,740 --> 00:10:42,507 THE FAMILY BEING RECEPTIVE FOR HAVING US ALONG TO GET MORE OF 347 00:10:42,509 --> 00:10:43,274 HAVING US ALONG TO GET MORE OF THEIR STORY. 348 00:10:43,276 --> 00:10:44,743 THEIR STORY. THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO 349 00:10:44,745 --> 00:10:47,278 THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO WHEN HE HOPPED OFF THE MINIVAN 350 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,580 WHEN HE HOPPED OFF THE MINIVAN AND AFTER A YEAR AND A HALF WAS 351 00:10:48,582 --> 00:10:49,781 AND AFTER A YEAR AND A HALF WAS TO BE IN HIS FACE WITH THE 352 00:10:49,783 --> 00:10:51,583 TO BE IN HIS FACE WITH THE CAMERA FIRING OFF FRAMES AND 353 00:10:51,585 --> 00:10:54,586 CAMERA FIRING OFF FRAMES AND WHILE I MAY HAVE SACRIFICED 354 00:10:54,588 --> 00:10:55,920 WHILE I MAY HAVE SACRIFICED MISSING AN INITIAL MOMENT I WAS 355 00:10:55,922 --> 00:10:58,790 MISSING AN INITIAL MOMENT I WAS ABLE TO GET THE MOMENT WITH HIM 356 00:10:58,792 --> 00:11:02,460 ABLE TO GET THE MOMENT WITH HIM AND KAREN WHEN THEY WERE HUGGING 357 00:11:02,462 --> 00:11:03,495 AND KAREN WHEN THEY WERE HUGGING AND SHE WAS QUITE EMOTIONAL AND 358 00:11:03,497 --> 00:11:04,996 AND SHE WAS QUITE EMOTIONAL AND BY GIVING THAT LITTLE RESPECT 359 00:11:04,998 --> 00:11:07,699 BY GIVING THAT LITTLE RESPECT AND BARRIER TO THEM MADE THEM 360 00:11:07,701 --> 00:11:09,901 AND BARRIER TO THEM MADE THEM FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US 361 00:11:09,903 --> 00:11:11,036 FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US BECAUSE UP UNTIL THAT POINT IT 362 00:11:11,038 --> 00:11:13,171 BECAUSE UP UNTIL THAT POINT IT WAS UP IN THE AIR. 363 00:11:13,173 --> 00:11:15,306 WAS UP IN THE AIR. AS THEY WERE SAYING YEAH, COME 364 00:11:15,308 --> 00:11:16,441 AS THEY WERE SAYING YEAH, COME ON ALONG WITH US OR YOU'VE COME 365 00:11:16,443 --> 00:11:18,009 ON ALONG WITH US OR YOU'VE COME TOO FAR. 366 00:11:18,011 --> 00:11:18,943 TOO FAR. >> WHAT ABOUT THOSE MOMENTS OF 367 00:11:18,945 --> 00:11:22,013 >> WHAT ABOUT THOSE MOMENTS OF BEING INSIDE A STORE, WATCHING 368 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:24,249 BEING INSIDE A STORE, WATCHING LITTLE LIZETTE EAT A POPSICLE 369 00:11:24,251 --> 00:11:28,253 LITTLE LIZETTE EAT A POPSICLE AND CHINESE TAKEOUT FOOD AND 370 00:11:28,255 --> 00:11:29,454 AND CHINESE TAKEOUT FOOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN UNUSUAL 371 00:11:29,456 --> 00:11:30,522 THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN UNUSUAL EXPERIENCE AND NOW YOU'RE 372 00:11:30,524 --> 00:11:31,756 EXPERIENCE AND NOW YOU'RE PHOTOGRAPHING THE THINGS SOME OF 373 00:11:31,758 --> 00:11:32,891 PHOTOGRAPHING THE THINGS SOME OF US TAKE FOR GRANTED. 374 00:11:32,893 --> 00:11:33,358 US TAKE FOR GRANTED. >> YEAH. 375 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,427 >> YEAH. YOU KNOW, MY APPROACH KIND OF 376 00:11:35,429 --> 00:11:39,764 YOU KNOW, MY APPROACH KIND OF GOING INTO IT WAS PUTTING THEM 377 00:11:39,766 --> 00:11:41,700 GOING INTO IT WAS PUTTING THEM IN THE CONTEXT. 378 00:11:41,702 --> 00:11:43,368 IN THE CONTEXT. ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE 379 00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:44,936 ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE RUN WAS A PICTURE LATE AT NIGHT 380 00:11:44,938 --> 00:11:47,839 RUN WAS A PICTURE LATE AT NIGHT AND THERE IS A KFC LOGO GOING BY 381 00:11:47,841 --> 00:11:49,507 AND THERE IS A KFC LOGO GOING BY AND TO THAT POINT I KEPT TRYING 382 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:51,009 AND TO THAT POINT I KEPT TRYING TO MAKE A MOMENT TO FRAME THINGS 383 00:11:51,011 --> 00:11:53,211 TO MAKE A MOMENT TO FRAME THINGS AND WE WENT TO BARSTOW, TEXAS 384 00:11:53,213 --> 00:11:55,780 AND WE WENT TO BARSTOW, TEXAS AND THERE WAS A WATER TOWER THAT 385 00:11:55,782 --> 00:11:59,117 AND THERE WAS A WATER TOWER THAT WAS JUST EMPTY DESERT AND TEXAS 386 00:11:59,119 --> 00:11:59,417 WAS JUST EMPTY DESERT AND TEXAS LAND. 387 00:11:59,419 --> 00:12:01,386 LAND. SO WELL IS A PICTURE OF KAREN 388 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:02,987 SO WELL IS A PICTURE OF KAREN STARING OUT THE WINDOW WHILE YOU 389 00:12:02,989 --> 00:12:05,423 STARING OUT THE WINDOW WHILE YOU HAVE THIS AMERICANA FLYING BY IN 390 00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:07,659 HAVE THIS AMERICANA FLYING BY IN THE WINDSHIELD AND WALMART. 391 00:12:07,661 --> 00:12:10,195 THE WINDSHIELD AND WALMART. WALMART IS A QUINT ESSENTIAL 392 00:12:10,197 --> 00:12:11,463 WALMART IS A QUINT ESSENTIAL KIND OF AMERICA AND IT'S COMMON 393 00:12:11,465 --> 00:12:13,565 KIND OF AMERICA AND IT'S COMMON TO US AND NOT SO MUCH TO THEM. 394 00:12:13,567 --> 00:12:16,034 TO US AND NOT SO MUCH TO THEM. I FIGURED A PICTURE OR TWO IN 395 00:12:16,036 --> 00:12:17,368 I FIGURED A PICTURE OR TWO IN THERE WHILE TRYING TO STAY LOW 396 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:20,071 THERE WHILE TRYING TO STAY LOW AND NOT DRAWING ATTENTION TO 397 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:21,539 AND NOT DRAWING ATTENTION TO MYSELF WAS QUINT ESSENTIAL TO 398 00:12:21,541 --> 00:12:23,374 MYSELF WAS QUINT ESSENTIAL TO THAT AS WELL. 399 00:12:23,376 --> 00:12:25,176 THAT AS WELL. >> AFTER DAYS, YOU SAID WE'RE 400 00:12:25,178 --> 00:12:26,377 >> AFTER DAYS, YOU SAID WE'RE HERE AND NOW WE'LL WATCH. 401 00:12:26,379 --> 00:12:27,846 HERE AND NOW WE'LL WATCH. YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT THE 402 00:12:27,848 --> 00:12:29,214 YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT THE FAMILY JUST WANTED TO BE A 403 00:12:29,216 --> 00:12:29,881 FAMILY JUST WANTED TO BE A FAMILY AGAIN. 404 00:12:29,883 --> 00:12:30,849 FAMILY AGAIN. >> YEAH. 405 00:12:30,851 --> 00:12:34,152 >> YEAH. IT JUST HAPPENS SO THAT THE 406 00:12:34,154 --> 00:12:35,820 IT JUST HAPPENS SO THAT THE FIRST DAY THAT -- AS SOON AS WE 407 00:12:35,822 --> 00:12:38,022 FIRST DAY THAT -- AS SOON AS WE GOT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 408 00:12:38,024 --> 00:12:39,557 GOT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HAVING DINNER TOGETHER AND 409 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:40,759 HAVING DINNER TOGETHER AND TAKING BATHS AND IT WAS REALLY 410 00:12:40,761 --> 00:12:42,427 TAKING BATHS AND IT WAS REALLY CUTE THAT LIZETTE RIGHT AWAY 411 00:12:42,429 --> 00:12:43,762 CUTE THAT LIZETTE RIGHT AWAY WANTED TO WEAR THE NEW CLOTHES 412 00:12:43,764 --> 00:12:45,930 WANTED TO WEAR THE NEW CLOTHES THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FOR HER AT 413 00:12:45,932 --> 00:12:49,501 THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FOR HER AT WALMART, AND THEY WANTED TIME -- 414 00:12:49,503 --> 00:12:51,870 WALMART, AND THEY WANTED TIME -- YOU COULD TELL THEY WANTED TIME 415 00:12:51,872 --> 00:12:53,505 YOU COULD TELL THEY WANTED TIME FOR THEMSELVES AND IT'S NOT THE 416 00:12:53,507 --> 00:12:55,140 FOR THEMSELVES AND IT'S NOT THE SAME THING TO HAVE A REUNION 417 00:12:55,142 --> 00:12:56,641 SAME THING TO HAVE A REUNION WITH TWO JOURNALISTS IN YOUR 418 00:12:56,643 --> 00:12:58,777 WITH TWO JOURNALISTS IN YOUR FACE AND SO WE -- EVEN THOUGH 419 00:12:58,779 --> 00:13:00,411 FACE AND SO WE -- EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD BEEN VERY OPEN AND 420 00:13:00,413 --> 00:13:02,480 THEY HAD BEEN VERY OPEN AND RECEPTIVE TO US, YOU KIND OF GOT 421 00:13:02,482 --> 00:13:04,516 RECEPTIVE TO US, YOU KIND OF GOT THE FEELING THAT THEY WANTED THE 422 00:13:04,518 --> 00:13:06,351 THE FEELING THAT THEY WANTED THE DOWN TIME TO TALK ABOUT THEIR 423 00:13:06,353 --> 00:13:07,819 DOWN TIME TO TALK ABOUT THEIR FAMILY BACK IN GUATEMALA AND 424 00:13:07,821 --> 00:13:10,288 FAMILY BACK IN GUATEMALA AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THEIR 425 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:12,023 WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS, ABOUT THEIR FUTURE SO 426 00:13:12,025 --> 00:13:14,058 FEELINGS, ABOUT THEIR FUTURE SO WE LEFT THEM THAT THURSDAY 427 00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:14,425 WE LEFT THEM THAT THURSDAY EVENING. 428 00:13:14,427 --> 00:13:15,326 EVENING. >> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING BORDER 429 00:13:15,328 --> 00:13:17,128 >> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING BORDER ISSUES FOR A REALLY LONG TIME 430 00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:17,428 ISSUES FOR A REALLY LONG TIME NOW. 431 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:18,129 NOW. WHERE DOES THIS FARE IN YOUR 432 00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:21,099 WHERE DOES THIS FARE IN YOUR EXPERIENCES? 433 00:13:21,101 --> 00:13:26,704 EXPERIENCES? >> I THINK THIS IS THE DEEPEST, 434 00:13:26,706 --> 00:13:28,606 >> I THINK THIS IS THE DEEPEST, MORE IN-DEPTH STORY THAT I TOLD 435 00:13:28,608 --> 00:13:30,074 MORE IN-DEPTH STORY THAT I TOLD JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME I HAD 436 00:13:30,076 --> 00:13:31,075 JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME I HAD SPENT WITH HER. 437 00:13:31,077 --> 00:13:32,944 SPENT WITH HER. I HAD DONE OTHER TRAVELING 438 00:13:32,946 --> 00:13:34,579 I HAD DONE OTHER TRAVELING PROJECTS, BUT YOU KIND OF OF GO 439 00:13:34,581 --> 00:13:35,880 PROJECTS, BUT YOU KIND OF OF GO IN AND OUT AND DON'T SPEND THE 440 00:13:35,882 --> 00:13:38,449 IN AND OUT AND DON'T SPEND THE NIGHT WITH THE FAMILY AND HERE 441 00:13:38,451 --> 00:13:39,851 NIGHT WITH THE FAMILY AND HERE YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, 442 00:13:39,853 --> 00:13:41,553 YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE BATHROOM WITH THEM 443 00:13:41,555 --> 00:13:43,521 GOING TO THE BATHROOM WITH THEM AND SEE HER BRUSHING HER TEETH 444 00:13:43,523 --> 00:13:45,023 AND SEE HER BRUSHING HER TEETH AND THINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF 445 00:13:45,025 --> 00:13:46,491 AND THINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE WE WERE I GOT TO SEE A LOT 446 00:13:46,493 --> 00:13:47,859 WHERE WE WERE I GOT TO SEE A LOT MORE AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WITH 447 00:13:47,861 --> 00:13:50,128 MORE AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WITH THE STORY WAS TO SHOW THE 448 00:13:50,130 --> 00:13:51,729 THE STORY WAS TO SHOW THE COMPLEXITIES OF IMMIGRATION. 449 00:13:51,731 --> 00:13:53,665 COMPLEXITIES OF IMMIGRATION. THIS IT'S NOT ONE SINGLE REASON 450 00:13:53,667 --> 00:13:55,867 THIS IT'S NOT ONE SINGLE REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND IN 451 00:13:55,869 --> 00:13:57,268 WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND IN ORDER TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, IT'S 452 00:13:57,270 --> 00:14:00,171 ORDER TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, IT'S GOING TO -- IT HAS TO BE 453 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:01,940 GOING TO -- IT HAS TO BE APPROACHED FROM DIFFERENT WAYS 454 00:14:01,942 --> 00:14:03,274 APPROACHED FROM DIFFERENT WAYS AND THAT DOING THINGS HERE IN 455 00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:04,709 AND THAT DOING THINGS HERE IN THE U.S. WILL NOT SOLVE THE 456 00:14:04,711 --> 00:14:05,810 THE U.S. WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM ON ITS OWN. 457 00:14:05,812 --> 00:14:07,478 PROBLEM ON ITS OWN. WITH THIS FAMILY, THE FATHER 458 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,081 WITH THIS FAMILY, THE FATHER CAME IN THE LATE '90s AND SENT 459 00:14:10,083 --> 00:14:11,382 CAME IN THE LATE '90s AND SENT MONEY BACK WHICH GAVE THEM A 460 00:14:11,384 --> 00:14:13,351 MONEY BACK WHICH GAVE THEM A BETTER EDUCATION, BUT THAT STILL 461 00:14:13,353 --> 00:14:14,285 BETTER EDUCATION, BUT THAT STILL WASN'T ENOUGH AND THE BROTHER 462 00:14:14,287 --> 00:14:16,254 WASN'T ENOUGH AND THE BROTHER LEFT AND NOW SHE LEFT AND IT 463 00:14:16,256 --> 00:14:17,488 LEFT AND NOW SHE LEFT AND IT ALSO MADE ME THINK OF THE CYCLE 464 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:19,457 ALSO MADE ME THINK OF THE CYCLE OF IMMIGRATION AND INSTEAD OF 465 00:14:19,459 --> 00:14:21,292 OF IMMIGRATION AND INSTEAD OF LIZETTE BEING LEFT BEHIND AND 466 00:14:21,294 --> 00:14:22,594 LIZETTE BEING LEFT BEHIND AND EVENTUALLY COMING, SHE'S COMING 467 00:14:22,596 --> 00:14:24,696 EVENTUALLY COMING, SHE'S COMING ALREADY WITH THE MOM, AND I 468 00:14:24,698 --> 00:14:26,164 ALREADY WITH THE MOM, AND I WONDER WHAT THAT'S GOING TO PLAY 469 00:14:26,166 --> 00:14:27,866 WONDER WHAT THAT'S GOING TO PLAY IN THE FUTURE IMMIGRATION TRENDS 470 00:14:27,868 --> 00:14:29,167 IN THE FUTURE IMMIGRATION TRENDS WITH ALL OF THESE WOMEN AND 471 00:14:29,169 --> 00:14:29,968 WITH ALL OF THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN TRAVELING. 472 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:31,970 CHILDREN TRAVELING. SO THAT WAS THE MAIN THING FOR 473 00:14:31,972 --> 00:14:34,172 SO THAT WAS THE MAIN THING FOR ME, JUST SHOWING THE 474 00:14:34,174 --> 00:14:35,173 ME, JUST SHOWING THE COMPLEXITIES OF WHY PEOPLE 475 00:14:35,175 --> 00:14:37,909 COMPLEXITIES OF WHY PEOPLE DECIDE TO LEAVE, AND I UPONED TO 476 00:14:37,911 --> 00:14:38,209 DECIDE TO LEAVE, AND I UPONED TO KNOW. 477 00:14:38,211 --> 00:14:39,777 KNOW. I WANTED TO KNOW THAT, AS WELL. 478 00:14:39,779 --> 00:14:41,479 I WANTED TO KNOW THAT, AS WELL. >> WAS THERE A FINE LINE THAT 479 00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:44,249 >> WAS THERE A FINE LINE THAT YOU HAD TO WALK AS JOURNALISTS 480 00:14:44,251 --> 00:14:46,050 YOU HAD TO WALK AS JOURNALISTS AND SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE A 481 00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:49,287 AND SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE A FELLOW PASSENGER ON THIS BUS? 482 00:14:49,289 --> 00:14:51,322 FELLOW PASSENGER ON THIS BUS? DID EITHER ONE OF YOU FEEL THAT 483 00:14:51,324 --> 00:14:52,457 DID EITHER ONE OF YOU FEEL THAT WAY AT ANY POINT? 484 00:14:52,459 --> 00:14:53,791 WAY AT ANY POINT? >> FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD HAVE 485 00:14:53,793 --> 00:14:56,194 >> FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO CAPTURE THEM REALLY 486 00:14:56,196 --> 00:14:58,663 LOVED TO CAPTURE THEM REALLY BEING -- GETTING LOST WITH THE 487 00:14:58,665 --> 00:15:00,231 BEING -- GETTING LOST WITH THE BUS SYSTEM AND MIKE HAVING 488 00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:01,966 BUS SYSTEM AND MIKE HAVING CAPTURED THAT IN PHOTOS, BUT AT 489 00:15:01,968 --> 00:15:03,635 CAPTURED THAT IN PHOTOS, BUT AT THE SAM TIME YOU'RE A HUMAN 490 00:15:03,637 --> 00:15:05,803 THE SAM TIME YOU'RE A HUMAN BEING AND YOU CANNOT GO TO 491 00:15:05,805 --> 00:15:07,605 BEING AND YOU CANNOT GO TO SOMEONE AND WHEN THEY ASK YOU, 492 00:15:07,607 --> 00:15:10,541 SOMEONE AND WHEN THEY ASK YOU, DO WE GET OFF YOU, YOU TELL ME, 493 00:15:10,543 --> 00:15:13,878 DO WE GET OFF YOU, YOU TELL ME, AND I'M THE JOURNALIST AND ONLY 494 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,346 AND I'M THE JOURNALIST AND ONLY WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE 495 00:15:15,348 --> 00:15:15,713 WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE CAPTURED. 496 00:15:15,715 --> 00:15:17,682 CAPTURED. AS A JOURNALIST I WOULD HAVE 497 00:15:17,684 --> 00:15:19,517 AS A JOURNALIST I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE BEEN FLY ON THE 498 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:21,552 LOVED TO HAVE BEEN FLY ON THE WALL, WHERE IF THEY MISSED THE 499 00:15:21,554 --> 00:15:23,588 WALL, WHERE IF THEY MISSED THE WALL OR GOT ON THE WRONG ONE, AT 500 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:24,956 WALL OR GOT ON THE WRONG ONE, AT THE SAME TIME I CANNOT PRETEND 501 00:15:24,958 --> 00:15:27,959 THE SAME TIME I CANNOT PRETEND I'M GETTING OFF THIS BUS. 502 00:15:27,961 --> 00:15:29,460 I'M GETTING OFF THIS BUS. THAT WAS A TOUGH -- YOU DID NOT 503 00:15:29,462 --> 00:15:31,696 THAT WAS A TOUGH -- YOU DID NOT WANT TO ACTUALLY LEAD THEM, BUT 504 00:15:31,698 --> 00:15:32,697 WANT TO ACTUALLY LEAD THEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU DIDN'T WANT 505 00:15:32,699 --> 00:15:34,532 AT THE SAME TIME YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT 506 00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:36,501 TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING JUST SO YOU COULD 507 00:15:36,503 --> 00:15:37,902 WAS HAPPENING JUST SO YOU COULD HAVE THE PARAGRAPH ON YOUR 508 00:15:37,904 --> 00:15:38,202 HAVE THE PARAGRAPH ON YOUR STORY. 509 00:15:38,204 --> 00:15:38,970 STORY. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FELT. 510 00:15:38,972 --> 00:15:41,005 I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FELT. >> I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY FOUND 511 00:15:41,007 --> 00:15:42,974 >> I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY FOUND MYSELF SLIPPING INTO PASSENGER 512 00:15:42,976 --> 00:15:44,676 MYSELF SLIPPING INTO PASSENGER MODE AS WE GOT FURTHER ON IN THE 513 00:15:44,678 --> 00:15:47,345 MODE AS WE GOT FURTHER ON IN THE DEEP SOUTH, IN MISSISSIPPI AND 514 00:15:47,347 --> 00:15:48,646 DEEP SOUTH, IN MISSISSIPPI AND ALABAMA TRYING TO FIND SEATS 515 00:15:48,648 --> 00:15:49,747 ALABAMA TRYING TO FIND SEATS BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT 516 00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:50,915 BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT HAVING A SEAT CLOSE TO THEM 517 00:15:50,917 --> 00:15:52,483 HAVING A SEAT CLOSE TO THEM BECAUSE THE BUS WAS PACKED. 518 00:15:52,485 --> 00:15:54,018 BECAUSE THE BUS WAS PACKED. THERE WERE NO EMPTY SEATS BY THE 519 00:15:54,020 --> 00:15:56,487 THERE WERE NO EMPTY SEATS BY THE TIME WE REACHED THE MIDDLE PART 520 00:15:56,489 --> 00:15:57,655 TIME WE REACHED THE MIDDLE PART OF OUR JOURNEY. 521 00:15:57,657 --> 00:15:59,324 OF OUR JOURNEY. SO THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE 522 00:15:59,326 --> 00:16:00,992 SO THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE SHUFFLED WAY BACK AND IT WAS 523 00:16:00,994 --> 00:16:01,993 SHUFFLED WAY BACK AND IT WAS QUESTIONABLE IF I WOULD SIT 524 00:16:01,995 --> 00:16:03,928 QUESTIONABLE IF I WOULD SIT ACROSS FROM THEM, IN FRONT OF 525 00:16:03,930 --> 00:16:05,630 ACROSS FROM THEM, IN FRONT OF THEM OR HAVE A VIEW OF THEM AT 526 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:07,598 THEM OR HAVE A VIEW OF THEM AT ALL AND I FOUND MYSELF TRYING TO 527 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,033 ALL AND I FOUND MYSELF TRYING TO COORDINATE SEATING ARRANGEMENTS 528 00:16:09,035 --> 00:16:11,035 COORDINATE SEATING ARRANGEMENTS AND WE HAD TO LET THIS ALL PLAY 529 00:16:11,037 --> 00:16:11,502 AND WE HAD TO LET THIS ALL PLAY OUT BY MYSELF. 530 00:16:11,504 --> 00:16:17,642 OUT BY MYSELF. >> AND BEING IN WASHINGTON, DUMP 531 00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:18,743 >> AND BEING IN WASHINGTON, DUMP C., IN T 532 00:16:18,745 --> 00:16:21,312 C., IN T C, AND YOU MENTIONED -- IT WAS 533 00:16:21,314 --> 00:16:22,347 C, AND YOU MENTIONED -- IT WAS IN SPANISH, AND SHE MENTIONED 534 00:16:22,349 --> 00:16:23,381 IN SPANISH, AND SHE MENTIONED THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF 535 00:16:23,383 --> 00:16:24,349 THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF THE UNITED STATES AND I TAUGHT 536 00:16:24,351 --> 00:16:26,184 THE UNITED STATES AND I TAUGHT IT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT THERE. 537 00:16:26,186 --> 00:16:28,619 IT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT THERE. >> PERLA SAYS THE MOTHER AND 538 00:16:28,621 --> 00:16:29,988 >> PERLA SAYS THE MOTHER AND DAUGHTER ARE DUE TO APPEAR 539 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:32,390 DAUGHTER ARE DUE TO APPEAR BEFORE AN IMMIGRATION JUDGE NEXT 540 00:16:32,392 --> 00:16:32,724 BEFORE AN IMMIGRATION JUDGE NEXT MONTH. 541 00:16:32,726 --> 00:16:34,125 MONTH. >>> TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY 542 00:16:34,127 --> 00:16:35,326 >>> TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY NOW AND TO THE QUESTION OF 543 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:36,060 NOW AND TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT BORDER SECURITY 544 00:16:36,062 --> 00:16:38,062 WHETHER OR NOT BORDER SECURITY HAS SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE 545 00:16:38,064 --> 00:16:40,331 HAS SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS. 546 00:16:40,333 --> 00:16:42,900 INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS. HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH SILVIA 547 00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:44,736 HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH SILVIA LONGMEYER, AN AUTHOR AND BORDER 548 00:16:44,738 --> 00:16:45,069 LONGMEYER, AN AUTHOR AND BORDER ANALYST. 549 00:16:45,071 --> 00:16:46,971 ANALYST. >> SUPPLY AND DEMAND. 550 00:16:46,973 --> 00:16:48,139 >> SUPPLY AND DEMAND. IT'S LONG BEEN SAID THAT 551 00:16:48,141 --> 00:16:50,675 IT'S LONG BEEN SAID THAT AMERICANS WANT THE LABOR, THEY 552 00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:52,810 AMERICANS WANT THE LABOR, THEY WANT THE ILLICIT DRUGS. 553 00:16:52,812 --> 00:16:54,712 WANT THE ILLICIT DRUGS. HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PLAYING A 554 00:16:54,714 --> 00:16:55,713 HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PLAYING A ROLE IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING 555 00:16:55,715 --> 00:16:56,781 ROLE IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING HAPPENING AT THE BORDER RIGHT 556 00:16:56,783 --> 00:16:57,048 HAPPENING AT THE BORDER RIGHT NOW? 557 00:16:57,050 --> 00:16:58,683 NOW? >> IT'S A HUGE ROLE. 558 00:16:58,685 --> 00:17:00,118 >> IT'S A HUGE ROLE. ANYTHING RELATED TO THE BORDER 559 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,120 ANYTHING RELATED TO THE BORDER WILL BE LARGELY POLITICIZED. 560 00:17:02,122 --> 00:17:03,454 WILL BE LARGELY POLITICIZED. WHAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK 561 00:17:03,456 --> 00:17:05,423 WHAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IS HOW BOTH DEMOCRATS AND 562 00:17:05,425 --> 00:17:07,158 ABOUT IS HOW BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE BENEFITING FROM 563 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,794 REPUBLICANS ARE BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR, FROM ILLEGAL 564 00:17:09,796 --> 00:17:10,194 CHEAP LABOR, FROM ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. 565 00:17:10,196 --> 00:17:12,230 IMMIGRATION. YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT SOME 566 00:17:12,232 --> 00:17:13,731 YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY THESE FOLKS WILL 567 00:17:13,733 --> 00:17:15,566 PEOPLE WILL SAY THESE FOLKS WILL SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND 568 00:17:15,568 --> 00:17:17,835 SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND LATER ON IF THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE 569 00:17:17,837 --> 00:17:19,537 LATER ON IF THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE TO VOTE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU 570 00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:20,738 TO VOTE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE THE HUGE SUPPORT BASE 571 00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:22,206 HAVE THE HUGE SUPPORT BASE BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE 572 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:24,609 BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES CATERING TO THIS GROWING 573 00:17:24,611 --> 00:17:25,910 ONES CATERING TO THIS GROWING LATINO POPULATION, BUT THEN ON 574 00:17:25,912 --> 00:17:27,678 LATINO POPULATION, BUT THEN ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE 575 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,380 THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE LARGE BUSINESSES THAT ARE 576 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:31,115 LARGE BUSINESSES THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR. 577 00:17:31,117 --> 00:17:32,884 BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR. YOU HAVE HUGE FARMS AND RANCHES 578 00:17:32,886 --> 00:17:34,318 YOU HAVE HUGE FARMS AND RANCHES THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM ILLEGAL 579 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,621 THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM ILLEGAL LABOR AND ALL OF THOSE PLAY INTO 580 00:17:36,623 --> 00:17:38,022 LABOR AND ALL OF THOSE PLAY INTO THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT GOES 581 00:17:38,024 --> 00:17:38,923 THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT GOES TO THE GOP. 582 00:17:38,925 --> 00:17:40,258 TO THE GOP. SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT 583 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:43,127 SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT GO AWAY, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT, 584 00:17:43,129 --> 00:17:44,929 GO AWAY, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT, POLITICALLY SPEAKING TO SAY 585 00:17:44,931 --> 00:17:45,229 POLITICALLY SPEAKING TO SAY THAT. 586 00:17:45,231 --> 00:17:46,764 THAT. SO YOU HAVE -- THE DEMAND IS 587 00:17:46,766 --> 00:17:48,066 SO YOU HAVE -- THE DEMAND IS COMING FROM BOTH SIDES NO MATTER 588 00:17:48,068 --> 00:17:50,368 COMING FROM BOTH SIDES NO MATTER HOW IT PLAYS OUT ON TV OR IN THE 589 00:17:50,370 --> 00:17:52,403 HOW IT PLAYS OUT ON TV OR IN THE NEWS, THAT DEMAND FOR CHEAP 590 00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:54,005 NEWS, THAT DEMAND FOR CHEAP LABOR IS THERE, AND IT'S NOT 591 00:17:54,007 --> 00:17:55,873 LABOR IS THERE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON, 592 00:17:55,875 --> 00:17:58,009 GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON, AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS 593 00:17:58,011 --> 00:18:00,044 AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS HERE THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS 594 00:18:00,046 --> 00:18:01,145 HERE THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING, 595 00:18:01,147 --> 00:18:03,381 AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING, WILLING TO DO OR ABLE TO DO, 596 00:18:03,383 --> 00:18:05,083 WILLING TO DO OR ABLE TO DO, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPPLY TO 597 00:18:05,085 --> 00:18:06,317 THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPPLY TO FILL THAT AND A LOT OF TIMES 598 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:07,685 FILL THAT AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT SUPPLY WILL TAKE THE FORM 599 00:18:07,687 --> 00:18:09,587 THAT SUPPLY WILL TAKE THE FORM OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO DO THAT 600 00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:10,855 OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO DO THAT LABOR FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. 601 00:18:10,857 --> 00:18:12,924 LABOR FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. >> HOW DOES THAT SUPPLY AND 602 00:18:12,926 --> 00:18:14,559 >> HOW DOES THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND AFFECT BORDER SECURITY 603 00:18:14,561 --> 00:18:16,394 DEMAND AFFECT BORDER SECURITY WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S 604 00:18:16,396 --> 00:18:17,728 WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S CONTINUING TO BE THE TOPIC AS WE 605 00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:18,696 CONTINUING TO BE THE TOPIC AS WE SEE THE CHILDREN COMING ACROSS 606 00:18:18,698 --> 00:18:19,497 SEE THE CHILDREN COMING ACROSS THE BORDER? 607 00:18:19,499 --> 00:18:20,064 THE BORDER? >> SURE. 608 00:18:20,066 --> 00:18:21,766 >> SURE. ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH 609 00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:26,270 ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH THE SURGE IS THAT THERE'S NO -- 610 00:18:26,272 --> 00:18:28,039 THE SURGE IS THAT THERE'S NO -- TRYING TO SEGREGATE THE THREATS 611 00:18:28,041 --> 00:18:29,874 TRYING TO SEGREGATE THE THREATS FROM THE NON-THREATS IS ONE OF 612 00:18:29,876 --> 00:18:30,808 FROM THE NON-THREATS IS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES. 613 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:33,144 THE BIG ISSUES. YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT'S MORE 614 00:18:33,146 --> 00:18:34,712 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT'S MORE GENERALLY AND MORE BROADLY 615 00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:35,913 GENERALLY AND MORE BROADLY SPEAK, WHAT IS BORDER SECURITY 616 00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:37,415 SPEAK, WHAT IS BORDER SECURITY AND WHAT DOES A SECURE BORDER 617 00:18:37,417 --> 00:18:38,749 AND WHAT DOES A SECURE BORDER LOOK LIKE? 618 00:18:38,751 --> 00:18:40,284 LOOK LIKE? YOU HAVE THIS 57,000 WAS THE 619 00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:42,420 YOU HAVE THIS 57,000 WAS THE LATEST COUNT OF UNACCOMPANIED 620 00:18:42,422 --> 00:18:44,222 LATEST COUNT OF UNACCOMPANIED MINORS OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY 621 00:18:44,224 --> 00:18:45,590 MINORS OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY UNITS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER 622 00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:47,658 UNITS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER AND THAT'S PLACING A HUGE STRAIN 623 00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:49,560 AND THAT'S PLACING A HUGE STRAIN ON SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT ARE THEY 624 00:18:49,562 --> 00:18:50,828 ON SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT ARE THEY REALLY A THREAT? 625 00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:53,731 REALLY A THREAT? THAT IS KIND OF AN 626 00:18:53,733 --> 00:18:54,966 THAT IS KIND OF AN ADMINISTRATION PROBLEM FOR THE 627 00:18:54,968 --> 00:18:56,200 ADMINISTRATION PROBLEM FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH, BUT 628 00:18:56,202 --> 00:18:58,469 ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH, BUT IT'S AT A SECURITY ISSUE. 629 00:18:58,471 --> 00:18:59,871 IT'S AT A SECURITY ISSUE. IT HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT SO 630 00:18:59,873 --> 00:19:01,339 IT HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT SO MANY PEOPLE CAN COME ACROSS AND 631 00:19:01,341 --> 00:19:02,907 MANY PEOPLE CAN COME ACROSS AND WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING 632 00:19:02,909 --> 00:19:05,810 WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING AND THEN AGAIN THE REAL SECURITY 633 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:07,044 AND THEN AGAIN THE REAL SECURITY ISSUE IS WHILE THESE FOLKS ARE 634 00:19:07,046 --> 00:19:09,046 ISSUE IS WHILE THESE FOLKS ARE BEING DEALT WITH ON AN 635 00:19:09,048 --> 00:19:10,481 BEING DEALT WITH ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND BEING 636 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:11,649 ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND BEING PROCESSED AND PLACED IN 637 00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:13,184 PROCESSED AND PLACED IN DETENTION CENTERS FOR A LITTLE 638 00:19:13,186 --> 00:19:16,254 DETENTION CENTERS FOR A LITTLE WHILE, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT 639 00:19:16,256 --> 00:19:19,290 WHILE, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE ROLL BEAL BAD GUYS AND PEOP 640 00:19:19,292 --> 00:19:21,025 THE ROLL BEAL BAD GUYS AND PEOP RELATED TO HEZBOLLAH OR OTHER 641 00:19:21,027 --> 00:19:21,993 RELATED TO HEZBOLLAH OR OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND WHO 642 00:19:21,995 --> 00:19:24,028 TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND WHO IS TENDING TO THEM WHILE THE 643 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:25,229 IS TENDING TO THEM WHILE THE AGENTS ARE BEING PULLED OFF THE 644 00:19:25,231 --> 00:19:26,864 AGENTS ARE BEING PULLED OFF THE LINE TO DEAL WITH AN 645 00:19:26,866 --> 00:19:28,266 LINE TO DEAL WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THAT CAN BE 646 00:19:28,268 --> 00:19:29,867 ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH AT A LEGISLATIVE 647 00:19:29,869 --> 00:19:30,168 DEALT WITH AT A LEGISLATIVE LEVEL. 648 00:19:30,170 --> 00:19:32,336 LEVEL. IN MY MIND THAT'S HOW IT'S 649 00:19:32,338 --> 00:19:33,905 IN MY MIND THAT'S HOW IT'S AFFECTING BORDER SECURITY THAT 650 00:19:33,907 --> 00:19:36,807 AFFECTING BORDER SECURITY THAT IT IS BEING BOGGED DOWN BECAUSE 651 00:19:36,809 --> 00:19:39,810 IT IS BEING BOGGED DOWN BECAUSE IT IS NOT BEING HANDLED AT THE 652 00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:40,945 IT IS NOT BEING HANDLED AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, COM 653 00:19:40,947 --> 00:19:42,079 ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, COM PREHUNDREDSIVE REFORM OR 654 00:19:42,081 --> 00:19:43,281 PREHUNDREDSIVE REFORM OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT'S 655 00:19:43,283 --> 00:19:44,615 SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT'S WHERE IT COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT 656 00:19:44,617 --> 00:19:46,150 WHERE IT COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE BAD GUYS WHILE 657 00:19:46,152 --> 00:19:47,685 TENDING WITH THE BAD GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE 658 00:19:47,687 --> 00:19:48,786 WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LEGISLATIVE BACKLOG AND 659 00:19:48,788 --> 00:19:49,387 LEGISLATIVE BACKLOG AND INABILITY TO ACT. 660 00:19:49,389 --> 00:19:50,855 INABILITY TO ACT. >> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT SOME 661 00:19:50,857 --> 00:19:52,623 >> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT SOME OF THESE CHILDREN MAY, IN FACT, 662 00:19:52,625 --> 00:19:54,192 OF THESE CHILDREN MAY, IN FACT, BE MEMBERS OF THESE GANGS FROM 663 00:19:54,194 --> 00:19:54,892 BE MEMBERS OF THESE GANGS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA? 664 00:19:54,894 --> 00:19:57,428 CENTRAL AMERICA? >> WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, I 665 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:59,497 >> WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, I THINK MAYBE A DOZEN OR SO -- A 666 00:19:59,499 --> 00:20:00,631 THINK MAYBE A DOZEN OR SO -- A COUPLE DOZEN HAVE BEEN 667 00:20:00,633 --> 00:20:02,166 COUPLE DOZEN HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THEIR TATTOOS AND 668 00:20:02,168 --> 00:20:03,734 IDENTIFIED BY THEIR TATTOOS AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S, I THINK, 669 00:20:03,736 --> 00:20:06,170 EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S, I THINK, TO BE EXPECTED, BUT OVERALL, AT 670 00:20:06,172 --> 00:20:07,905 TO BE EXPECTED, BUT OVERALL, AT LEAST THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN 671 00:20:07,907 --> 00:20:09,540 LEAST THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE DOZEN OUT 672 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:11,342 THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE DOZEN OUT OF THE 57,000 THAT HAVE BEEN 673 00:20:11,344 --> 00:20:13,144 OF THE 57,000 THAT HAVE BEEN APPREHENDED SO IT MAKES GOOD 674 00:20:13,146 --> 00:20:14,245 APPREHENDED SO IT MAKES GOOD HEADLINES AND OF COURSE, IT'S 675 00:20:14,247 --> 00:20:15,813 HEADLINES AND OF COURSE, IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE 676 00:20:15,815 --> 00:20:18,349 ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE GANG MEMBERS COMING OVER AND 677 00:20:18,351 --> 00:20:19,050 GANG MEMBERS COMING OVER AND THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT 678 00:20:19,052 --> 00:20:20,151 THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT RECRUITING ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN 679 00:20:20,153 --> 00:20:21,919 RECRUITING ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN HAPPENING AT DETENTION 680 00:20:21,921 --> 00:20:22,920 HAPPENING AT DETENTION FACILITIES AND THAT WILL HAPPEN 681 00:20:22,922 --> 00:20:24,822 FACILITIES AND THAT WILL HAPPEN AND SOME GRAFFITI THAT HAS BEEN 682 00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:26,457 AND SOME GRAFFITI THAT HAS BEEN FOUND IN THE BATHROOMS AND SUCH 683 00:20:26,459 --> 00:20:28,125 FOUND IN THE BATHROOMS AND SUCH IN THE DETENTION FACILITIES AND 684 00:20:28,127 --> 00:20:29,493 IN THE DETENTION FACILITIES AND IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN AND THESE 685 00:20:29,495 --> 00:20:30,828 IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN AND THESE ARE NOT THE ROUTES THAT GANG 686 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:32,063 ARE NOT THE ROUTES THAT GANG MEMBERS TRADITIONALLY TAKE TO 687 00:20:32,065 --> 00:20:33,264 MEMBERS TRADITIONALLY TAKE TO COME INTO THE UNITED STATES. 688 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:35,032 COME INTO THE UNITED STATES. THEY DON'T NEED TO INSERT 689 00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:36,033 THEY DON'T NEED TO INSERT THEMSELVES WITH THESE KIDS AND 690 00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:37,101 THEMSELVES WITH THESE KIDS AND THESE FAMILIES. 691 00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:38,202 THESE FAMILIES. THEY'RE GETTING IN AND OUT. 692 00:20:38,204 --> 00:20:40,037 THEY'RE GETTING IN AND OUT. A LOT OF THEM HAVE DUAL 693 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:41,272 A LOT OF THEM HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP AND THEY DON'T HAVE 694 00:20:41,274 --> 00:20:42,673 CITIZENSHIP AND THEY DON'T HAVE AN ARREST RECORD JUST YET AT 695 00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:43,474 AN ARREST RECORD JUST YET AT LEAST NOT HERE IN THE UNITED 696 00:20:43,476 --> 00:20:44,875 LEAST NOT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES SO THEY CAN COME AND GO 697 00:20:44,877 --> 00:20:46,344 STATES SO THEY CAN COME AND GO IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BORDER 698 00:20:46,346 --> 00:20:48,079 IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BORDER WITHOUT HAVING TO GET INVOLVED 699 00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:49,547 WITHOUT HAVING TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE MESS. 700 00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:51,115 IN THIS WHOLE MESS. SO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT 701 00:20:51,117 --> 00:20:53,451 SO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT GANG MEMBERS COMING HERE FROM 702 00:20:53,453 --> 00:20:54,518 GANG MEMBERS COMING HERE FROM CENTRAL AMERICA AND AS FOR AS 703 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,053 CENTRAL AMERICA AND AS FOR AS THE CONTEXT OF THE CRISIS THAT'S 704 00:20:56,055 --> 00:20:57,622 THE CONTEXT OF THE CRISIS THAT'S GOING ON IN SOUTH TECHNOLOGY 705 00:20:57,624 --> 00:20:59,056 GOING ON IN SOUTH TECHNOLOGY RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S NOT AS 706 00:20:59,058 --> 00:21:00,324 RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN AS IT SHOULD 707 00:21:00,326 --> 00:21:00,925 MUCH OF A CONCERN AS IT SHOULD BE ELSEWHERE. 708 00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:03,127 BE ELSEWHERE. >> IN TEXAS, THE GOVERNOR WANTS 709 00:21:03,129 --> 00:21:04,462 >> IN TEXAS, THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD IN 710 00:21:04,464 --> 00:21:06,631 TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD IN THE BORDER. 711 00:21:06,633 --> 00:21:07,365 THE BORDER. THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS 712 00:21:07,367 --> 00:21:08,399 THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS VERY ISSUE UNFOLD AND SAYING 713 00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:10,268 VERY ISSUE UNFOLD AND SAYING IT'S NOT GETTING PEOPLE. 714 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:12,036 IT'S NOT GETTING PEOPLE. THESE PEOPLE ARE SURRENDERING, 715 00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:13,237 THESE PEOPLE ARE SURRENDERING, WHY SEND THE GUARD TO THE 716 00:21:13,239 --> 00:21:13,571 WHY SEND THE GUARD TO THE BORDER? 717 00:21:13,573 --> 00:21:15,306 BORDER? >> THERE IS A HISTORY OF SENDING 718 00:21:15,308 --> 00:21:16,374 >> THERE IS A HISTORY OF SENDING GUARD TO THE SOUTHWEST BORDER 719 00:21:16,376 --> 00:21:19,910 GUARD TO THE SOUTHWEST BORDER AND THIS WAS IN 2006-2008 AND 720 00:21:19,912 --> 00:21:21,312 AND THIS WAS IN 2006-2008 AND THERE WERE ROUGHLY 6,000 WERE AT 721 00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:22,446 THERE WERE ROUGHLY 6,000 WERE AT THE PEAK. 722 00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:23,481 THE PEAK. 6,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS THAT 723 00:21:23,483 --> 00:21:25,249 6,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS THAT WERE SENT DOWN AND IT WAS VERY 724 00:21:25,251 --> 00:21:25,616 WERE SENT DOWN AND IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE. 725 00:21:25,618 --> 00:21:26,884 EFFECTIVE. WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T 726 00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:28,052 WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT NATIONAL 727 00:21:28,054 --> 00:21:29,887 UNDERSTAND IS THAT NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS CANNOT ENFORCE 728 00:21:29,889 --> 00:21:31,455 GUARD TROOPS CANNOT ENFORCE CIVILIAN LAW. 729 00:21:31,457 --> 00:21:32,723 CIVILIAN LAW. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ARREST 730 00:21:32,725 --> 00:21:34,292 THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ARREST ANYBODY, APPREHEND ANYBODY. 731 00:21:34,294 --> 00:21:36,327 ANYBODY, APPREHEND ANYBODY. THEY ACT AS EXTRA EYES AND EARS. 732 00:21:36,329 --> 00:21:37,662 THEY ACT AS EXTRA EYES AND EARS. THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF OTHER 733 00:21:37,664 --> 00:21:38,963 THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF OTHER JOBS AS WELL AND THEY CAN BE 734 00:21:38,965 --> 00:21:40,998 JOBS AS WELL AND THEY CAN BE VERY HELPFUL, BUT IF THEY CATCH 735 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,166 VERY HELPFUL, BUT IF THEY CATCH ANYBODY OR SEE ANYBODY THEY HAVE 736 00:21:42,168 --> 00:21:45,036 ANYBODY OR SEE ANYBODY THEY HAVE TO TURN THEM OVER TO BORDER 737 00:21:45,038 --> 00:21:47,004 TO TURN THEM OVER TO BORDER PATROL ESPECIALLY THE MINORS AND 738 00:21:47,006 --> 00:21:48,639 PATROL ESPECIALLY THE MINORS AND THE FAMILIES THAT ARE TURNING 739 00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:49,874 THE FAMILIES THAT ARE TURNING THEMSELVES IN AND SAYING HEY, 740 00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:51,942 THEMSELVES IN AND SAYING HEY, WE'RE HERE, PROCESS ME AND GIVE 741 00:21:51,944 --> 00:21:53,744 WE'RE HERE, PROCESS ME AND GIVE ME MY PERMISO. 742 00:21:53,746 --> 00:21:55,313 ME MY PERMISO. SO IF THEY START TURNING 743 00:21:55,315 --> 00:22:00,151 SO IF THEY START TURNING THEMSELVES INTO BORDER PATROL 744 00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:01,686 THEMSELVES INTO BORDER PATROL AGENTS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO 745 00:22:01,688 --> 00:22:02,019 AGENTS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. 746 00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:04,088 HAPPEN. AND IF THEY TURN THEMSELVES INTO 747 00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:05,523 AND IF THEY TURN THEMSELVES INTO SOLDIERS, THEY'LL HAND THEM OVER 748 00:22:05,525 --> 00:22:07,491 SOLDIERS, THEY'LL HAND THEM OVER FOR THE SAME THING. 749 00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:08,326 FOR THE SAME THING. IT'S JUST FOR SHOW AND I THINK 750 00:22:08,328 --> 00:22:10,027 IT'S JUST FOR SHOW AND I THINK IT'S A LOT OF POLITICAL 751 00:22:10,029 --> 00:22:11,062 IT'S A LOT OF POLITICAL POSTURING AND IF THAT'S WHAT 752 00:22:11,064 --> 00:22:12,430 POSTURING AND IF THAT'S WHAT TECHNOLOGY FEELS THEY NEED TO DO 753 00:22:12,432 --> 00:22:14,031 TECHNOLOGY FEELS THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE THE CONSTITUENTS HAPPY 754 00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:15,366 TO MAKE THE CONSTITUENTS HAPPY AND FEEL MORE SECURE, I GET 755 00:22:15,368 --> 00:22:17,234 AND FEEL MORE SECURE, I GET THAT, BUT AS FAR AS A PRACTICAL 756 00:22:17,236 --> 00:22:19,203 THAT, BUT AS FAR AS A PRACTICAL SOLUTION, NOT EVEN CLOSE. 757 00:22:19,205 --> 00:22:21,105 SOLUTION, NOT EVEN CLOSE. >> AND JOINING ME NOW WITH THE 758 00:22:21,107 --> 00:22:23,407 >> AND JOINING ME NOW WITH THE LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IS FERNANDA, 759 00:22:23,409 --> 00:22:25,976 LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IS FERNANDA, CHAFF RIA, A REPORTER WITH 760 00:22:25,978 --> 00:22:27,445 CHAFF RIA, A REPORTER WITH ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. 761 00:22:27,447 --> 00:22:29,146 ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA. LET'S START WITH THE NUMBER OF 762 00:22:29,148 --> 00:22:30,581 LET'S START WITH THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN, HERE IN NOGALES, IN 763 00:22:30,583 --> 00:22:32,683 CHILDREN, HERE IN NOGALES, IN SOUTHERN ARIZONA IT'S DWINDLED 764 00:22:32,685 --> 00:22:33,317 SOUTHERN ARIZONA IT'S DWINDLED QUITE A BIT. 765 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,386 QUITE A BIT. >> WHEN I TOURED THE FACILITY IN 766 00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:37,254 >> WHEN I TOURED THE FACILITY IN A LITTLE OVER A MONTH NOW, THERE 767 00:22:37,256 --> 00:22:39,223 A LITTLE OVER A MONTH NOW, THERE WERE ABOUT A THOUSAND CHILDREN. 768 00:22:39,225 --> 00:22:40,991 WERE ABOUT A THOUSAND CHILDREN. AS OF EARLIER THIS WEEK THERE 769 00:22:40,993 --> 00:22:42,093 AS OF EARLIER THIS WEEK THERE WERE LESS THAN TEN. 770 00:22:42,095 --> 00:22:45,262 WERE LESS THAN TEN. EVEN BEFORE THAT WE STOPPED 771 00:22:45,264 --> 00:22:46,797 EVEN BEFORE THAT WE STOPPED SEEING THE CHILDREN BASICALLY 772 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:48,599 SEEING THE CHILDREN BASICALLY BUSSED OVER HERE, FLOWN OVER 773 00:22:48,601 --> 00:22:50,568 BUSSED OVER HERE, FLOWN OVER HERE FROM TEXAS QUITE A FEW 774 00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:52,970 HERE FROM TEXAS QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO SO THE TEXAS INFLUX 775 00:22:52,972 --> 00:22:53,938 YEARS AGO SO THE TEXAS INFLUX STOPPED A LITTLE BIT AGO AND NOW 776 00:22:53,940 --> 00:22:55,940 STOPPED A LITTLE BIT AGO AND NOW THE NUMBER IN GENERAL OF 777 00:22:55,942 --> 00:22:57,041 THE NUMBER IN GENERAL OF UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 778 00:22:57,043 --> 00:22:58,309 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN APPREHENDED IN THE TUCSON SECTOR 779 00:22:58,311 --> 00:23:00,344 APPREHENDED IN THE TUCSON SECTOR IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND BORDER 780 00:23:00,346 --> 00:23:02,847 IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND BORDER PATROL OFFICIALS TELL ME THERE'S 781 00:23:02,849 --> 00:23:04,115 PATROL OFFICIALS TELL ME THERE'S ABOUT LESS THAN TEN KIDS IN 782 00:23:04,117 --> 00:23:06,517 ABOUT LESS THAN TEN KIDS IN THERE AND THEN AGAIN THERE COULD 783 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:07,818 THERE AND THEN AGAIN THERE COULD HAVE BEEN OTHER KIDS DROPPED OFF 784 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:09,453 HAVE BEEN OTHER KIDS DROPPED OFF AT THE PROCESSING FACILITY THIS 785 00:23:09,455 --> 00:23:11,255 AT THE PROCESSING FACILITY THIS MORNING OR WILL BE TAKEN THERE 786 00:23:11,257 --> 00:23:11,622 MORNING OR WILL BE TAKEN THERE TOMORROW. 787 00:23:11,624 --> 00:23:12,490 TOMORROW. SO -- 788 00:23:12,492 --> 00:23:14,258 SO -- >> WHAT LED TO THAT DECREASE IN 789 00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:15,393 >> WHAT LED TO THAT DECREASE IN NUMBERS SUDDENLY? 790 00:23:15,395 --> 00:23:16,794 NUMBERS SUDDENLY? IS IT IT BECAUSE WORD WAS 791 00:23:16,796 --> 00:23:17,595 IS IT IT BECAUSE WORD WAS STARTING TO SPREAD? 792 00:23:17,597 --> 00:23:20,131 STARTING TO SPREAD? >> IT'S DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT 793 00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:22,566 >> IT'S DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT WHAT EXACTLY -- DID THAT, BUT 794 00:23:22,568 --> 00:23:23,667 WHAT EXACTLY -- DID THAT, BUT THERE WAS THIS WAVE THAT 795 00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:25,369 THERE WAS THIS WAVE THAT HAPPENED IN TEXAS, SO WE HAVE TO 796 00:23:25,371 --> 00:23:27,805 HAPPENED IN TEXAS, SO WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT AS FAR AS TUCSON 797 00:23:27,807 --> 00:23:30,474 REMEMBER THAT AS FAR AS TUCSON GOES, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE 798 00:23:30,476 --> 00:23:31,475 GOES, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN CROSS 799 00:23:31,477 --> 00:23:33,644 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN CROSS ILLEGALLY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT 800 00:23:33,646 --> 00:23:35,880 ILLEGALLY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT WHAT WE WERE SEEING A COUPLE OF 801 00:23:35,882 --> 00:23:37,415 WHAT WE WERE SEEING A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK WITH WHAT WAS 802 00:23:37,417 --> 00:23:38,682 MONTHS BACK WITH WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN TEXAS AND THAT WAS 803 00:23:38,684 --> 00:23:39,483 HAPPENING IN TEXAS AND THAT WAS THE WAY THAT WAS COMING UP. 804 00:23:39,485 --> 00:23:41,051 THE WAY THAT WAS COMING UP. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHETHER 805 00:23:41,053 --> 00:23:42,219 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHETHER THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A 806 00:23:42,221 --> 00:23:42,853 THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A MONTH OR SO. 807 00:23:42,855 --> 00:23:44,455 MONTH OR SO. >> OKAY. 808 00:23:44,457 --> 00:23:46,090 >> OKAY. SO THOSE CHILDREN WHO WERE HERE. 809 00:23:46,092 --> 00:23:46,891 SO THOSE CHILDREN WHO WERE HERE. WHERE ARE THEY NOW? 810 00:23:46,893 --> 00:23:49,293 WHERE ARE THEY NOW? THEY'RE NO LONGER UNDER DHS. 811 00:23:49,295 --> 00:23:50,795 THEY'RE NO LONGER UNDER DHS. THEY WERE IN HEALTH AND HUMAN 812 00:23:50,797 --> 00:23:51,729 THEY WERE IN HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY 813 00:23:51,731 --> 00:23:52,763 SERVICES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY STILL AT THIS POINT? 814 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:53,731 STILL AT THIS POINT? >> THAT'S RIGHT. 815 00:23:53,733 --> 00:23:55,566 >> THAT'S RIGHT. SO THE CHILDREN THAT WE SAW, THE 816 00:23:55,568 --> 00:23:57,802 SO THE CHILDREN THAT WE SAW, THE THOUSANDS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT 817 00:23:57,804 --> 00:23:59,403 THOUSANDS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT NOGALES PROCESSING FACILITY WERE 818 00:23:59,405 --> 00:24:01,138 NOGALES PROCESSING FACILITY WERE IN THE CUSTODY OF THE DEPARTMENT 819 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:02,807 IN THE CUSTODY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AS YOU 820 00:24:02,809 --> 00:24:03,107 OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AS YOU SAID. 821 00:24:03,109 --> 00:24:04,508 SAID. AFTER THEY LEAVE THEIR CUSTODY 822 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:06,677 AFTER THEY LEAVE THEIR CUSTODY THEY GO TO HEALTH AND HUMAN 823 00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:08,546 THEY GO TO HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES AND THE OFFICE OF 824 00:24:08,548 --> 00:24:09,613 SERVICES AND THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT. 825 00:24:09,615 --> 00:24:11,148 REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT. WE GOT NUMBERS EARLIER THIS WEEK 826 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:12,850 WE GOT NUMBERS EARLIER THIS WEEK FROM THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE 827 00:24:12,852 --> 00:24:14,151 FROM THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT THAT SAID ABOUT 828 00:24:14,153 --> 00:24:15,386 RESETTLEMENT THAT SAID ABOUT 30,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 829 00:24:15,388 --> 00:24:17,154 30,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEIR 830 00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:18,956 ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEIR CUSTODY AND THEY HAVE NOW BEEN 831 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:20,391 CUSTODY AND THEY HAVE NOW BEEN RELEASED TO WHAT THEY CALL 832 00:24:20,393 --> 00:24:22,393 RELEASED TO WHAT THEY CALL QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SPONSORS. 833 00:24:22,395 --> 00:24:24,695 QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SPONSORS. SO THESE SPONSORS COULD BE A 834 00:24:24,697 --> 00:24:26,330 SO THESE SPONSORS COULD BE A TRUE SPONSOR NOT RELATED TO THE 835 00:24:26,332 --> 00:24:28,265 TRUE SPONSOR NOT RELATED TO THE CHILD, BUT WHO IS SPONSORING THE 836 00:24:28,267 --> 00:24:29,500 CHILD, BUT WHO IS SPONSORING THE TEEN OR YOUNG CHILD OR IT COULD 837 00:24:29,502 --> 00:24:30,968 TEEN OR YOUNG CHILD OR IT COULD BE A FAMILY MEMBER. 838 00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:33,270 BE A FAMILY MEMBER. IT COULD BE A PARENT. 839 00:24:33,272 --> 00:24:34,371 IT COULD BE A PARENT. SO WE WERE TALKING AND IF YOU 840 00:24:34,373 --> 00:24:36,006 SO WE WERE TALKING AND IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR 841 00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:38,008 WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR A SECOND, WE HAD 52,000 AND 842 00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:40,110 A SECOND, WE HAD 52,000 AND CLOSE TO 60,000 UNACCOMPANIED 843 00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:40,478 CLOSE TO 60,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN. 844 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,112 CHILDREN. ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE NO LONGER 845 00:24:42,114 --> 00:24:43,747 ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE NO LONGER IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 846 00:24:43,749 --> 00:24:44,114 IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CUSTODY. 847 00:24:44,116 --> 00:24:45,015 CUSTODY. THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO 848 00:24:45,017 --> 00:24:47,051 THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO PEOPLE AND THAT IS ANYWHERE 849 00:24:47,053 --> 00:24:47,952 PEOPLE AND THAT IS ANYWHERE ACROSS THE U.S. 850 00:24:47,954 --> 00:24:50,688 ACROSS THE U.S. IN ARIZONA, 186 HAVE BEEN 851 00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:52,156 IN ARIZONA, 186 HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO SPONSORS. 852 00:24:52,158 --> 00:24:53,724 RELEASED TO SPONSORS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE 853 00:24:53,726 --> 00:24:54,725 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN 854 00:24:54,727 --> 00:24:56,160 TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN THE TUCSON SHELTER BECAUSE THEY 855 00:24:56,162 --> 00:24:57,294 THE TUCSON SHELTER BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL IN THE CUSTODY OF 856 00:24:57,296 --> 00:24:58,996 ARE STILL IN THE CUSTODY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. 857 00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:00,764 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. SO THE CHILDREN ARE EVERYWHERE 858 00:25:00,766 --> 00:25:01,165 SO THE CHILDREN ARE EVERYWHERE ESSENTIALLY. 859 00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:02,733 ESSENTIALLY. THE CHILDREN THAT YOU AND I SAW 860 00:25:02,735 --> 00:25:05,569 THE CHILDREN THAT YOU AND I SAW AT THE NOGALES WAREHOUSE COULD 861 00:25:05,571 --> 00:25:07,204 AT THE NOGALES WAREHOUSE COULD BE IN MAINE, COULD BE IN THE 862 00:25:07,206 --> 00:25:08,973 BE IN MAINE, COULD BE IN THE TUCSON SHELTER OR COULD BE AT 863 00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:10,708 TUCSON SHELTER OR COULD BE AT HOME WITH A PARENT HERE IN THE 864 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:11,141 HOME WITH A PARENT HERE IN THE U.S. 865 00:25:11,143 --> 00:25:12,743 U.S. >> AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE 866 00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:13,611 >> AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE CHILDREN UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF 867 00:25:13,613 --> 00:25:16,614 CHILDREN UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN 868 00:25:16,616 --> 00:25:17,882 HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN TEMPORARY HOME SHELTERS. 869 00:25:17,884 --> 00:25:18,549 TEMPORARY HOME SHELTERS. >> YES. 870 00:25:18,551 --> 00:25:20,417 >> YES. >> YOU DID SOME WORK HERE AT 871 00:25:20,419 --> 00:25:21,952 >> YOU DID SOME WORK HERE AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA ON THE 872 00:25:21,954 --> 00:25:23,287 ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA ON THE RADIO SIDE OF THINGS AND TALKING 873 00:25:23,289 --> 00:25:24,755 RADIO SIDE OF THINGS AND TALKING ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY RESPONSE 874 00:25:24,757 --> 00:25:26,490 ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY RESPONSE AND HOW IT'S REAL WILLY HELPED 875 00:25:26,492 --> 00:25:28,292 AND HOW IT'S REAL WILLY HELPED FOSTER SOME OF THEIR LIFESTYLE 876 00:25:28,294 --> 00:25:29,994 FOSTER SOME OF THEIR LIFESTYLE HERE SINCE THEY'VE ARRIVED. 877 00:25:29,996 --> 00:25:31,762 HERE SINCE THEY'VE ARRIVED. >> YES, PARTICULARLY, I FOCUS ON 878 00:25:31,764 --> 00:25:33,797 >> YES, PARTICULARLY, I FOCUS ON THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT 879 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,432 THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT THE GREYHOUND STATION AS WE'VE 880 00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:36,567 THE GREYHOUND STATION AS WE'VE BEEN REPORTING. 881 00:25:36,569 --> 00:25:38,202 BEEN REPORTING. THOUSANDS BY NOW OF CENTRAL 882 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:39,570 THOUSANDS BY NOW OF CENTRAL AMERICAN WOMEN, MOST OF THEM 883 00:25:39,572 --> 00:25:41,138 AMERICAN WOMEN, MOST OF THEM FROM GUATEMALA THAT ARRIVE WITH 884 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:42,606 FROM GUATEMALA THAT ARRIVE WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND ARE 885 00:25:42,608 --> 00:25:44,875 THEIR CHILDREN AND ARE APPREHENDED CROSSING THE BORDER 886 00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:46,210 APPREHENDED CROSSING THE BORDER ILLEGALLY WITH THEIR CHILDREN, 887 00:25:46,212 --> 00:25:47,411 ILLEGALLY WITH THEIR CHILDREN, SOMETIMES INFANTS AND SOME OF 888 00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:48,712 SOMETIMES INFANTS AND SOME OF THEM ARE PREGNANT AND THEY'RE 889 00:25:48,714 --> 00:25:50,881 THEM ARE PREGNANT AND THEY'RE TAKEN AND PROCESSED BY BORDER 890 00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:52,216 TAKEN AND PROCESSED BY BORDER PATROL AND THEN THEY'RE DROPPED 891 00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:54,084 PATROL AND THEN THEY'RE DROPPED OFF AT THE GREYHOUND STATION IN 892 00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:55,486 OFF AT THE GREYHOUND STATION IN TUCSON AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE 893 00:25:55,488 --> 00:25:56,921 TUCSON AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS THEY CANNOT DEPORT THEM 894 00:25:56,923 --> 00:25:58,489 LAW SAYS THEY CANNOT DEPORT THEM RIGHT AWAY AND THEY DROP THEM 895 00:25:58,491 --> 00:26:00,457 RIGHT AWAY AND THEY DROP THEM OFF IN THE GREYHOUND STATION AND 896 00:26:00,459 --> 00:26:02,493 OFF IN THE GREYHOUND STATION AND THE STORY I DID THIS WEEK ON 897 00:26:02,495 --> 00:26:05,129 THE STORY I DID THIS WEEK ON RADIO FOCUS, POLITICS ASIDE, 898 00:26:05,131 --> 00:26:07,898 RADIO FOCUS, POLITICS ASIDE, POLICY ASIDE WHAT IS THE TUCSON 899 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:08,999 POLICY ASIDE WHAT IS THE TUCSON COMMUNITY DOING TO HELP THESE 900 00:26:09,001 --> 00:26:10,200 COMMUNITY DOING TO HELP THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I SPOKE 901 00:26:10,202 --> 00:26:13,137 WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I SPOKE WITH THE MAN WHO HAS -- HE AND 902 00:26:13,139 --> 00:26:15,039 WITH THE MAN WHO HAS -- HE AND HIS PARTNER HAVE TAKEN IN MORE 903 00:26:15,041 --> 00:26:16,307 HIS PARTNER HAVE TAKEN IN MORE THAN 45 WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR 904 00:26:16,309 --> 00:26:16,974 THAN 45 WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR THE NIGHT. 905 00:26:16,976 --> 00:26:18,976 THE NIGHT. SO WHEN THE BUSSES ARE NOT 906 00:26:18,978 --> 00:26:20,878 SO WHEN THE BUSSES ARE NOT LEAVING THAT DAY FOR THESE WOMEN 907 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,047 LEAVING THAT DAY FOR THESE WOMEN TO GO TO PLACES LIKE TENNESSEE, 908 00:26:23,049 --> 00:26:24,748 TO GO TO PLACES LIKE TENNESSEE, FLORIDA, DELAWARE AS WE HEARD 909 00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:27,918 FLORIDA, DELAWARE AS WE HEARD FROM PERLA EARLIER TODAY OR 910 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,219 FROM PERLA EARLIER TODAY OR EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THESE WOMEN 911 00:26:29,221 --> 00:26:31,655 EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THESE WOMEN AND CHILDREN NEED A PLACE TO 912 00:26:31,657 --> 00:26:31,956 AND CHILDREN NEED A PLACE TO SLEEP. 913 00:26:31,958 --> 00:26:34,291 SLEEP. SO THERE ARE TUCSONIANS OPENING 914 00:26:34,293 --> 00:26:35,960 SO THERE ARE TUCSONIANS OPENING THEIR DOORS TO COMPLETE 915 00:26:35,962 --> 00:26:38,329 THEIR DOORS TO COMPLETE STRANGERS, GIVING THEM A PLACE 916 00:26:38,331 --> 00:26:39,363 STRANGERS, GIVING THEM A PLACE TO SLEEP, A HOT MEAL AND ALLOW 917 00:26:39,365 --> 00:26:41,265 TO SLEEP, A HOT MEAL AND ALLOW THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND SOME 918 00:26:41,267 --> 00:26:42,633 THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND SOME TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT REALLY DOES 919 00:26:42,635 --> 00:26:44,435 TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT REALLY DOES TO SOMEBODY, TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN 920 00:26:44,437 --> 00:26:46,103 TO SOMEBODY, TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN YOURSELF PHYSICALLY AND ALSO 921 00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:48,639 YOURSELF PHYSICALLY AND ALSO EMOTIONALLY TO GIVE YOU A BREAK 922 00:26:48,641 --> 00:26:49,873 EMOTIONALLY TO GIVE YOU A BREAK FROM -- THESE ARE WOMEN AND 923 00:26:49,875 --> 00:26:50,841 FROM -- THESE ARE WOMEN AND CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN 924 00:26:50,843 --> 00:26:52,409 CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN TRAVELING FOR WEEKS, THOUSANDS 925 00:26:52,411 --> 00:26:53,277 TRAVELING FOR WEEKS, THOUSANDS OF MILES. 926 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,578 OF MILES. SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY IS 927 00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:55,946 SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY IS STEPPING UP. 928 00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:57,615 STEPPING UP. CATHOLIC COMMUNITY SERVICES IS 929 00:26:57,617 --> 00:26:59,183 CATHOLIC COMMUNITY SERVICES IS NOW THE LEAD ORGANIZATION TAKING 930 00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:01,018 NOW THE LEAD ORGANIZATION TAKING IN THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT AND THEY 931 00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:02,019 IN THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE 932 00:27:02,021 --> 00:27:04,121 TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE PEOPLE SHOWING UP WITH THEIR 933 00:27:04,123 --> 00:27:05,789 PEOPLE SHOWING UP WITH THEIR PICKUP TRUCKS FULL OF DONATIONS, 934 00:27:05,791 --> 00:27:06,991 PICKUP TRUCKS FULL OF DONATIONS, DIAPERS, BABY CLOTHES AND 935 00:27:06,993 --> 00:27:08,492 DIAPERS, BABY CLOTHES AND HYGIENE ITEMS FOR WOMEN. 936 00:27:08,494 --> 00:27:10,194 HYGIENE ITEMS FOR WOMEN. SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY HAS 937 00:27:10,196 --> 00:27:12,463 SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY HAS RESPONDED IN A WAY THAT I THINK 938 00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:14,064 RESPONDED IN A WAY THAT I THINK MAYBE DIDN'T SURPRISE SOME OF US 939 00:27:14,066 --> 00:27:16,300 MAYBE DIDN'T SURPRISE SOME OF US BECAUSE TUCSONIANS DO THOSE 940 00:27:16,302 --> 00:27:16,634 BECAUSE TUCSONIANS DO THOSE THINGS. 941 00:27:16,636 --> 00:27:18,636 THINGS. >> I MEANT TO ASK YOU, DO WE 942 00:27:18,638 --> 00:27:20,771 >> I MEANT TO ASK YOU, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE IN 943 00:27:20,773 --> 00:27:23,607 KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE IN THE PROCESS THROUGH THE NOGALES 944 00:27:23,609 --> 00:27:23,974 THE PROCESS THROUGH THE NOGALES FACILITY. 945 00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:26,644 FACILITY. >> THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND 946 00:27:26,646 --> 00:27:29,380 >> THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY TOLD ME THAT A TOTAL OF 947 00:27:29,382 --> 00:27:30,781 SECURITY TOLD ME THAT A TOTAL OF 5,479 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 948 00:27:30,783 --> 00:27:32,383 5,479 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN WENT THROUGH THAT NOGALES 949 00:27:32,385 --> 00:27:33,617 WENT THROUGH THAT NOGALES FACILITY YOU AND I VISITED. 950 00:27:33,619 --> 00:27:36,320 FACILITY YOU AND I VISITED. >> AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY, YOU SAY 951 00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:37,554 >> AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY, YOU SAY ROUGHLY ABOUT 700 OR SO. 952 00:27:37,556 --> 00:27:38,756 ROUGHLY ABOUT 700 OR SO. >> ROUGHLY 800. 953 00:27:38,758 --> 00:27:41,358 >> ROUGHLY 800. >> FERNANDA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR 954 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:42,292 >> FERNANDA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR EXCELLENT REPORTING AND 955 00:27:42,294 --> 00:27:44,528 YOUR EXCELLENT REPORTING AND YOUR ANALYSIS. 956 00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:46,330 YOUR ANALYSIS. WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR YOUR 957 00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:46,664 WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR YOUR REPORTS. 958 00:27:46,666 --> 00:27:47,231 REPORTS. THAT'S OUR PROGRAM. 959 00:27:47,233 --> 00:27:50,034 THAT'S OUR PROGRAM. BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK AS 960 00:27:50,036 --> 00:27:51,735 BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK AS WE DIVE BACK INTO THE UPCOMING 961 00:27:51,737 --> 00:27:52,069 WE DIVE BACK INTO THE UPCOMING PRIMARY. 962 00:27:52,071 --> 00:27:54,672 PRIMARY. I'LL BE MONITORING A 963 00:27:54,674 --> 00:27:55,239 I'LL BE MONITORING A GUBERNATORIAL FORUM. 964 00:27:55,241 --> 00:28:00,310 GUBERNATORIAL FORUM. FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC 965 00:28:00,312 --> 00:28:01,545 FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA, I'M