>>> FROM ARIZONA TO DELAWARE,
TUCSON JOURNALISTS FOLLOW AN
TUCSON JOURNALISTS FOLLOW AN
UNDOCUMENTED WOMAN AND HER CHILD
UNDOCUMENTED WOMAN AND HER CHILD
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
>>> AND THEN BEING IN
>>> AND THEN BEING IN
WASHINGTON, D.C., IN THE
WASHINGTON, D.C., IN THE
CAPITAL, I REMEMBER YOU
CAPITAL, I REMEMBER YOU
MENTIONED IN SPANISH, BUT I
MENTIONED IN SPANISH, BUT I
PICKED UP ON IT, YOU MENTIONED
PICKED UP ON IT, YOU MENTIONED
THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF
THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF
THE UNITED STATES.
THE UNITED STATES.
I THINK THAT WAS A SURREAL
I THINK THAT WAS A SURREAL
MOMENT.
MOMENT.
>> AND HAS THE INFLUX OF UNA
>> AND HAS THE INFLUX OF UNA
COMPANIED MINORS FROM CENTRAL
COMPANIED MINORS FROM CENTRAL
AMERICA AFFECTED BORDER
AMERICA AFFECTED BORDER
SECURITY?
SECURITY?
ONE ANALYST WEIGHS IN.
ONE ANALYST WEIGHS IN.
>> THAT'S WHERE THE BORDER
>> THAT'S WHERE THE BORDER
SECURITY PROBLEM COMES IN THAT
SECURITY PROBLEM COMES IN THAT
WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE PAD
WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE PAD
GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH
GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH
THE LEGISLATIVE INABILITY TO
THE LEGISLATIVE INABILITY TO
ACT.
ACT.
>> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK."
>> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK."
¶
¶
>>> IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE
>>> IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
UNDOCUMENTED WOMEN AND CHILDREN
UNDOCUMENTED WOMEN AND CHILDREN
BEGAN MAKING THE TRIP TO THE
BEGAN MAKING THE TRIP TO THE
U.S.
U.S.
LAST WEEK TWO JOURNALISTS FROM
LAST WEEK TWO JOURNALISTS FROM
THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR" MET A
THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR" MET A
GAL MALAN WOMAN AND HER
GAL MALAN WOMAN AND HER
6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
THE 22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN AGREED TO
THE 22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN AGREED TO
LET THE REPORTER AND
LET THE REPORTER AND
PHOTOGRAPHER JOIN THEM ON THE
PHOTOGRAPHER JOIN THEM ON THE
LAST LEG OF THE JOURNEY.
LAST LEG OF THE JOURNEY.
HERE'S MIKE CHRISTIE OF "THE
HERE'S MIKE CHRISTIE OF "THE
ARIZONA DAILY STAR".
ARIZONA DAILY STAR".
>> I HAD BEEN THERE PROBABLY
>> I HAD BEEN THERE PROBABLY
AROUND 3:00, AND THERE WERE
AROUND 3:00, AND THERE WERE
SEVEN WOMEN WITH THEIR KIDS.
SEVEN WOMEN WITH THEIR KIDS.
THEY HAD JUST BEEN DROPPED OFF
THEY HAD JUST BEEN DROPPED OFF
BY BORDER PATROL AND I WAS JUST
BY BORDER PATROL AND I WAS JUST
TALKING TO ALL OF THEM AND
TALKING TO ALL OF THEM AND
SOMETHING CLICKED WITH KAREN.
SOMETHING CLICKED WITH KAREN.
SHE SEEMED OUTGOING AND I SAT
SHE SEEMED OUTGOING AND I SAT
DOWN AND STARTED TALKING TO HER
DOWN AND STARTED TALKING TO HER
AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HER
AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HER
STORY AND ASKED HER IF WE CAN
STORY AND ASKED HER IF WE CAN
COME ALONG.
COME ALONG.
WE ASKED IF THEY STILL HAD BUS
WE ASKED IF THEY STILL HAD BUS
TICKETS THAT TOOK US THE SAME
TICKETS THAT TOOK US THE SAME
ROUTE, AND BOUGHT OUR TICKETS
ROUTE, AND BOUGHT OUR TICKETS
AND GRABBED A BAG AND WE WERE
AND GRABBED A BAG AND WE WERE
READY TO GO.
READY TO GO.
>> AT THAT POINT YOU BROUGHT
>> AT THAT POINT YOU BROUGHT
YOUR PHOTOGRAPHER OVER AND SAID
YOUR PHOTOGRAPHER OVER AND SAID
HEY, MIKE, COME MEET KAREN AND
HEY, MIKE, COME MEET KAREN AND
HE'S COMING ALONG, TOO.
HE'S COMING ALONG, TOO.
>> YEAH, THAT WAS ME.
>> YEAH, THAT WAS ME.
I DIVERTED IT TO HER EFFORT
I DIVERTED IT TO HER EFFORT
HANDLING THE CONVERSATIONS.
HANDLING THE CONVERSATIONS.
I COULD UNDERSTAND AING BIT OF
I COULD UNDERSTAND AING BIT OF
SPANISH AND I SHOWED UP TO THE
SPANISH AND I SHOWED UP TO THE
BUS STATION PROBABLE ADMIDDAY AT
BUS STATION PROBABLE ADMIDDAY AT
3:00 OR 4:00 AND PEARLA HAD BEEN
3:00 OR 4:00 AND PEARLA HAD BEEN
THERE FOR HOURS AND SHE WAS
THERE FOR HOURS AND SHE WAS
SITTING WITH KAREN AND I SAT ON
SITTING WITH KAREN AND I SAT ON
A BENCH IN FRONT OF THEM AND
A BENCH IN FRONT OF THEM AND
JUST KIND OF LISTENED TO THE
JUST KIND OF LISTENED TO THE
CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION.
IT WAS ALL IN SPANISH, AND I
IT WAS ALL IN SPANISH, AND I
THINK WE WERE ON FOR 10 OR 15
THINK WE WERE ON FOR 10 OR 15
MINUTES AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE
MINUTES AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE
LOOKING AT PERL ALIKE, ARE WE
LOOKING AT PERL ALIKE, ARE WE
GOOD TO GO, AND THIS IS GOING
GOOD TO GO, AND THIS IS GOING
FALL THROUGH AND WE'RE NOT GOING
FALL THROUGH AND WE'RE NOT GOING
TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL BE
TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL BE
OPEN TO US GOING ALONG WITH THEM
OPEN TO US GOING ALONG WITH THEM
AND SO FINALLY, PERLA TURNS TO
AND SO FINALLY, PERLA TURNS TO
ME AND SAID THEY'RE OKAY WITH US
ME AND SAID THEY'RE OKAY WITH US
GOING WITH THEM.
GOING WITH THEM.
>> I SAID OKAY, WHERE ARE THEY
>> I SAID OKAY, WHERE ARE THEY
GOING?
GOING?
SHE SAID DELAWARE.
SHE SAID DELAWARE.
I SAID THAT'S ON THE EAST COAST
I SAID THAT'S ON THE EAST COAST
AND FROM THERE, WE WENT AND
AND FROM THERE, WE WENT AND
FOUND TWO TICKETS THE SAME AND
FOUND TWO TICKETS THE SAME AND
OFF WE WENT.
OFF WE WENT.
>> AND THE BUS MADE STOPS EVERY
>> AND THE BUS MADE STOPS EVERY
FOUR HOURS AND HOW MANY STATES
FOUR HOURS AND HOW MANY STATES
DID YOU CROSS THROUGH?
DID YOU CROSS THROUGH?
>> 12.
>> 12.
>> 12 OF THEM.
>> 12 OF THEM.
>> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING IN A
>> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING IN A
BUS?
BUS?
NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAD EVER
NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAD EVER
RIDDEN A BUS FOR THAT LONG OF A
RIDDEN A BUS FOR THAT LONG OF A
TIME PERIOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE
TIME PERIOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE
BEEN A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR
BEEN A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR
YOU.
YOU.
>> THERE WERE SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL
>> THERE WERE SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL
HIGHS AND LOWS.
HIGHS AND LOWS.
I THINK YOU'RE ON A LITTLE BIT
I THINK YOU'RE ON A LITTLE BIT
OF AN ADRENALINE HIGH AS SOON AS
OF AN ADRENALINE HIGH AS SOON AS
YOU LEAVE LIKE, HOLY COW, WE'RE
YOU LEAVE LIKE, HOLY COW, WE'RE
REALLY DOING THIS.
REALLY DOING THIS.
WE LEFT LATE AT NIGHT AND WHEN
WE LEFT LATE AT NIGHT AND WHEN
WE GOT INTO EL PASO IT WAS 1:30
WE GOT INTO EL PASO IT WAS 1:30
ORE 2:00 AND WE GOT IN THERE AND
ORE 2:00 AND WE GOT IN THERE AND
I LOOKED AT A MAP AND FELT HOW
I LOOKED AT A MAP AND FELT HOW
LONG WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING WHICH
LONG WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING WHICH
SEEMED LIKE A LONG TIME AND
SEEMED LIKE A LONG TIME AND
FOUND HOW SCANT A DISTANCE WE
FOUND HOW SCANT A DISTANCE WE
HAD ACTUALLY TRAVELED FROM
HAD ACTUALLY TRAVELED FROM
TUCSON AND THE REMAINDER OF IT
TUCSON AND THE REMAINDER OF IT
AND THAT'S WHEN IT SETTLED IN
AND THAT'S WHEN IT SETTLED IN
AND YOU KIND OF TRY TO PREPARE
AND YOU KIND OF TRY TO PREPARE
YOURSELF PSYCHOLOGICALLY WHILE
YOURSELF PSYCHOLOGICALLY WHILE
ALSO KNOWING WE HAVE A JOB TO DO
ALSO KNOWING WE HAVE A JOB TO DO
AND A STORY TO TELL.
AND A STORY TO TELL.
>> WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, PERLA,
>> WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, PERLA,
ASKING QUESTIONS AND MOM KAREN
ASKING QUESTIONS AND MOM KAREN
IS DAUGHTER AND HER DAUGHTER
IS DAUGHTER AND HER DAUGHTER
LISSETTE IS 6 AND SHE WAS
LISSETTE IS 6 AND SHE WAS
EXHAUSTED HERSELF.
EXHAUSTED HERSELF.
DID YOU HAVE MUCH OPPORTUNITY
DID YOU HAVE MUCH OPPORTUNITY
FOR THE Q AND A.
FOR THE Q AND A.
>> I WAITED.
>> I WAITED.
ANOTHER LADY WAS ALSO TRAVELING.
ANOTHER LADY WAS ALSO TRAVELING.
SHE GOT OFF IN MISSISSIPPI.
SHE GOT OFF IN MISSISSIPPI.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THE
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THE
PERSONAL QUESTIONS WITH THE
PERSONAL QUESTIONS WITH THE
OTHER PEOPLE AROUND AND I WAITED
OTHER PEOPLE AROUND AND I WAITED
AFTER MISSISSIPPI AND I WAITED
AFTER MISSISSIPPI AND I WAITED
UNTIL DAY THREE AND BY THAT
UNTIL DAY THREE AND BY THAT
POINT I WAS FEELING ANXIOUS AND
POINT I WAS FEELING ANXIOUS AND
YOU'RE SPENDING ALL OF THIS TIME
YOU'RE SPENDING ALL OF THIS TIME
AND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED TO
AND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED TO
THEM AND SO BASICALLY BEFORE
THEM AND SO BASICALLY BEFORE
THAT IT WAS JUST WHEN WE GOT OFF
THAT IT WAS JUST WHEN WE GOT OFF
WE WOULD JUST HAVE A NORMAL
WE WOULD JUST HAVE A NORMAL
CONVERSATION AND FROM THERE I
CONVERSATION AND FROM THERE I
WOULD GET BACK TO THE BUS AND
WOULD GET BACK TO THE BUS AND
START TAKING NOTES FROM WHAT WE
START TAKING NOTES FROM WHAT WE
HAD TALKED ABOUT AND MY FIRST
HAD TALKED ABOUT AND MY FIRST
SITDOWN, Q AND A WAS IN DALLAS
SITDOWN, Q AND A WAS IN DALLAS
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS THE THIRD DAY THAT WE
IT WAS THE THIRD DAY THAT WE
WERE THERE AND I KNEW I HAD TO
WERE THERE AND I KNEW I HAD TO
GET IT DONE BEFORE WE GOT TO
GET IT DONE BEFORE WE GOT TO
DELAWARE BECAUSE THEN THERE
DELAWARE BECAUSE THEN THERE
WOULD BE OTHER THINGS GOING.
WOULD BE OTHER THINGS GOING.
>> MIKE, THERE HAD TOO TO HAVE
>> MIKE, THERE HAD TOO TO HAVE
BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR YOU AS A
BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR YOU AS A
PHOTOGRAPHER WITH A PRETTY GOOD
PHOTOGRAPHER WITH A PRETTY GOOD
SIZED CAMERA, KIND OF RESPECTING
SIZED CAMERA, KIND OF RESPECTING
THEIR PRIVACY.
THEIR PRIVACY.
>> UH-HUH.
>> UH-HUH.
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THING, I
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THING, I
SPOKE A LITTLE BIT WITH MY
SPOKE A LITTLE BIT WITH MY
EDITOR ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO
EDITOR ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO
ATTACK IT.
ATTACK IT.
ON ANY OTHER GENERAL DAILY
ON ANY OTHER GENERAL DAILY
ASSIGNMENT I ATTACK THINGS
ASSIGNMENT I ATTACK THINGS
FAIRLY AGGRESSIVELY AND I CAN
FAIRLY AGGRESSIVELY AND I CAN
PUT IT ON A HIGH BURST RATE AND
PUT IT ON A HIGH BURST RATE AND
FIRE OFF FRAMES LIKE IT'S A
FIRE OFF FRAMES LIKE IT'S A
MACHINE GUN.
MACHINE GUN.
WITH THIS, THE ATTACK WAS ALMOST
WITH THIS, THE ATTACK WAS ALMOST
MORE OF AN OLD SCHOOL APPROACH.
MORE OF AN OLD SCHOOL APPROACH.
I TOOK ONE CAMERA BODY AND A
I TOOK ONE CAMERA BODY AND A
WIDE-ANGLE LENS AND A MID-RANGE
WIDE-ANGLE LENS AND A MID-RANGE
LENS AND NOTHING THAT WAS BIGGER
LENS AND NOTHING THAT WAS BIGGER
THAN, SAY, OUT TO HERE.
THAN, SAY, OUT TO HERE.
SO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS A
SO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS A
LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT,
WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT,
YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING WITH
YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING WITH
THAT AND I TRIED TO FURTHER THAT
THAT AND I TRIED TO FURTHER THAT
ALONG AND I COULD KEEP THE
ALONG AND I COULD KEEP THE
CONVERSATIONS GOING WITH IT.
CONVERSATIONS GOING WITH IT.
AND THE CHALLENGE MORE SO LAY
AND THE CHALLENGE MORE SO LAY
WITH THE OTHER PASSENGERS ON THE
WITH THE OTHER PASSENGERS ON THE
BUS.
BUS.
I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION
I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION
TO MYSELF BECAUSE AN EXPENSIVE
TO MYSELF BECAUSE AN EXPENSIVE
CAMERA BODY KIND OF STICKS OUT.
CAMERA BODY KIND OF STICKS OUT.
SO I KIND OF HAD TO METER MY
SO I KIND OF HAD TO METER MY
SHOTS.
SHOTS.
I COULDN'T FIRE OFF SIX, SEVEN
I COULDN'T FIRE OFF SIX, SEVEN
FRAMES A SECOND.
FRAMES A SECOND.
I PUT IT ON -- MY CAMERA ON A
I PUT IT ON -- MY CAMERA ON A
SLOWER SAFETY MODE, A LITTLE BIT
SLOWER SAFETY MODE, A LITTLE BIT
SILENT AND SO I COULD FIRE OFF
SILENT AND SO I COULD FIRE OFF
ONE FRAME AT A TIME AND TWO
ONE FRAME AT A TIME AND TWO
FRAMES AT A TIME AND LOOK AT IT
FRAMES AT A TIME AND LOOK AT IT
AND ADJUF THE FOCUS AND I DIDN'T
AND ADJUF THE FOCUS AND I DIDN'T
WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF
WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF
AND RESPECT A LITTLE BIT OF
AND RESPECT A LITTLE BIT OF
THEIR PRIVACY, BUT THEY LET US
THEIR PRIVACY, BUT THEY LET US
IN ON THESE MOMENTS AND I DIDN'T
IN ON THESE MOMENTS AND I DIDN'T
WANT TO LET THEM SLIP AWAY.
WANT TO LET THEM SLIP AWAY.
>> EMOTIONALLY, THERE HAD TO
>> EMOTIONALLY, THERE HAD TO
HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY TOUGH
HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY TOUGH
TIMES WHEN MOM IS WORRIED ABOUT
TIMES WHEN MOM IS WORRIED ABOUT
THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILD AND
THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILD AND
WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL MAKE IT
WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL MAKE IT
ALL OF THE WAY TO DELAWARE AND
ALL OF THE WAY TO DELAWARE AND
HOW DID YOU FILTER THROUGH THE
HOW DID YOU FILTER THROUGH THE
PROCESS OF RESPECTING THEIR TIME
PROCESS OF RESPECTING THEIR TIME
AND THEIR EMOTION DURING THIS
AND THEIR EMOTION DURING THIS
PROBABLY PRETTY TERRIFYING
PROBABLY PRETTY TERRIFYING
EXPERIENCE?
EXPERIENCE?
>> I THINK THE HARDEST PART FOR
>> I THINK THE HARDEST PART FOR
THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO
THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO
MEXICO.
MEXICO.
I THINK HAVING THE VOLUNTEERS AT
I THINK HAVING THE VOLUNTEERS AT
THE GREYHOUND STATION MADE A
THE GREYHOUND STATION MADE A
HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM BECAUSE
HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM BECAUSE
THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO
THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO
NAVIGATE THIS ON THEIR OWN AND
NAVIGATE THIS ON THEIR OWN AND
THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE, YOU
THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE, YOU
KNOW, WITH A SMILE AND GIVING
KNOW, WITH A SMILE AND GIVING
THEM HUGS AND WALKING THEM
THEM HUGS AND WALKING THEM
THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO I THINK -- AND ALSO BECAUSE
SO I THINK -- AND ALSO BECAUSE
WE WERE IN THE BUS WITH THEM
WE WERE IN THE BUS WITH THEM
THEY NEVER REALLY FELT THEY WERE
THEY NEVER REALLY FELT THEY WERE
GOING TO GET LOST.
GOING TO GET LOST.
I THINK WE ALL AT SOME POINT
I THINK WE ALL AT SOME POINT
THOUGHT WE WOULD GET LOST OR THE
THOUGHT WE WOULD GET LOST OR THE
BUS WAS LEAVING WITHOUT US, BUT
BUS WAS LEAVING WITHOUT US, BUT
I THINK FACT THAT WE WERE THERE
I THINK FACT THAT WE WERE THERE
WAS REASSURING AND UNFRNLY, I
WAS REASSURING AND UNFRNLY, I
THINK THE MOST DIFFICULT PART
THINK THE MOST DIFFICULT PART
FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO
FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO
MEXICO AND WE WERE NOT THERE TO
MEXICO AND WE WERE NOT THERE TO
SEE THAT.
SEE THAT.
WE JUST HAD TO ASK QUESTIONS TO
WE JUST HAD TO ASK QUESTIONS TO
NARRATE THAT PART OF THE STORY
NARRATE THAT PART OF THE STORY
THROUGH THEIR VOICE, BUT I THINK
THROUGH THEIR VOICE, BUT I THINK
THE HARDEST PART FROM THE --
THE HARDEST PART FROM THE --
FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE WAS JUST
FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE WAS JUST
MISSING HER FAMILY AND WE DID
MISSING HER FAMILY AND WE DID
SEE ON WEDNESDAY IT HAD BEEN A
SEE ON WEDNESDAY IT HAD BEEN A
WOKE SINCE SHE'D LEFT AND SHE
WOKE SINCE SHE'D LEFT AND SHE
WAS PONDERING AND I ASKED HER
WAS PONDERING AND I ASKED HER
LATER ON WHAT WERE YOU THINKING
LATER ON WHAT WERE YOU THINKING
WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING OUT THE
WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING OUT THE
WINDOW.
WINDOW.
SHE SAID TODAY IS A WEEK I LEFT
SHE SAID TODAY IS A WEEK I LEFT
MY HOME AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN
MY HOME AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN
I'LL SEE MY PARENTS AGAIN.
I'LL SEE MY PARENTS AGAIN.
I THINK IT WAS MORE OF AN
I THINK IT WAS MORE OF AN
EMOTIONAL MORE THAN A SCARY
EMOTIONAL MORE THAN A SCARY
FEELING FOR THEM AT THAT POINT.
FEELING FOR THEM AT THAT POINT.
>> MIKE, CAPTURING THAT EMOTION,
>> MIKE, CAPTURING THAT EMOTION,
YOU DID VERY WELL IN THE PHOTOS
YOU DID VERY WELL IN THE PHOTOS
THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE.
THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE.
THAT WAS A TRACK TRICKY PART FO
THAT WAS A TRACK TRICKY PART FO
BECAUSE WE HAVE A 6-YEAR-OLD
BECAUSE WE HAVE A 6-YEAR-OLD
GIRL WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER
GIRL WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER
FUTURE HOLDS AND A MOM EMBARKING
FUTURE HOLDS AND A MOM EMBARKING
ON THIS JOURNEY.
ON THIS JOURNEY.
>> SHE WAS VERY OUTGOING AND SHE
>> SHE WAS VERY OUTGOING AND SHE
SLEPT A LOT, BUT THE TIME SHE
SLEPT A LOT, BUT THE TIME SHE
WAS AWAKE SHE WAS FURIOUSLY
WAS AWAKE SHE WAS FURIOUSLY
COLORING IN A KOHL ORG BOOK OR
COLORING IN A KOHL ORG BOOK OR
FEEDING CHEETOS TO A STUFFED
FEEDING CHEETOS TO A STUFFED
PENGUIN.
PENGUIN.
SHE WAS RECEPTIVE AND YOUNGER
SHE WAS RECEPTIVE AND YOUNGER
KIDS ARE ENAMORED WITH THE
KIDS ARE ENAMORED WITH THE
CAMERA AND SOMEONE PAYING
CAMERA AND SOMEONE PAYING
ATTENTION TO THEM AND I THINK
ATTENTION TO THEM AND I THINK
AFTER A WHILE SHE KIND OF
AFTER A WHILE SHE KIND OF
LEARNED THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO
LEARNED THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO
LOOK AT ME.
LOOK AT ME.
SHE CAN IGNORE ME AND DO HER OWN
SHE CAN IGNORE ME AND DO HER OWN
THING WHICH IS WHAT I NEED AND
THING WHICH IS WHAT I NEED AND
THE MOMENTS BETWEEN HER MOM
THE MOMENTS BETWEEN HER MOM
AUFSH TIMES, THEY WERE ASLEEP
AUFSH TIMES, THEY WERE ASLEEP
AND GROGGY AND YOU CAN CAN SEE
AND GROGGY AND YOU CAN CAN SEE
SOME TYPE OF EMOTION IN THEM AND
SOME TYPE OF EMOTION IN THEM AND
I THINK THE LEAD PHOTOGRAPH FROM
I THINK THE LEAD PHOTOGRAPH FROM
THIS ASSIGNMENT WAS A PICTURE IN
THIS ASSIGNMENT WAS A PICTURE IN
THE EARLY MORNING LIGHT AND SHE
THE EARLY MORNING LIGHT AND SHE
WAS KIND OF LAYING ASLEEP AND
WAS KIND OF LAYING ASLEEP AND
KAREN WAS KIND OF LEANING OVER
KAREN WAS KIND OF LEANING OVER
HER AND LOOKING AT HER IN AND
HER AND LOOKING AT HER IN AND
OUT WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH THE
OUT WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH THE
WHOLE TRIP FOR THEM AND IT WAS
WHOLE TRIP FOR THEM AND IT WAS
JUST KIND OF THIS MOMENT THAT
JUST KIND OF THIS MOMENT THAT
WAS SHARED BETWEEN THEM AND
WAS SHARED BETWEEN THEM AND
EMBODIED THEIR TRIP FROM TUCSON
EMBODIED THEIR TRIP FROM TUCSON
TO DELAWARE.
TO DELAWARE.
>> IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING HOW
>> IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING HOW
QUICKLY THEY LEARNED TO IGNORE
QUICKLY THEY LEARNED TO IGNORE
MIKE.
MIKE.
THEY STOPPED PAYING COMPLETE
THEY STOPPED PAYING COMPLETE
ATTENTION TO THEM LIKE HAVING A
ATTENTION TO THEM LIKE HAVING A
PHOTOGRAPH OR CAMERA SHOOTING
PHOTOGRAPH OR CAMERA SHOOTING
PHOTOS AND THAT IS OFTEN
PHOTOS AND THAT IS OFTEN
DIFFICULT TO HAVE PEOPLE STARING
DIFFICULT TO HAVE PEOPLE STARING
INTO THE CAMERA.
INTO THE CAMERA.
THEY GET OVER THAT PRETTY
THEY GET OVER THAT PRETTY
QUICKLY.
QUICKLY.
>> SO THEN YOU GET CLOSER TO
>> SO THEN YOU GET CLOSER TO
DELAWARE, THE EMOTIONS START TO
DELAWARE, THE EMOTIONS START TO
FEEL DIFFERENT.
FEEL DIFFERENT.
KAREN AND LIZETTE, ARE THEY
KAREN AND LIZETTE, ARE THEY
EXCITED ALL OF A SUDDEN?
EXCITED ALL OF A SUDDEN?
>> LIZETTE WAS MOSTLY TIRED.
>> LIZETTE WAS MOSTLY TIRED.
I THINK THE MORNING BEFORE WE
I THINK THE MORNING BEFORE WE
GOT TO DELAWARE, SHE SAID I
GOT TO DELAWARE, SHE SAID I
DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL ANYMORE.
DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL ANYMORE.
SHE WAS DONE.
SHE WAS DONE.
SHE WAS EXHAUSTED AND SHE JUST
SHE WAS EXHAUSTED AND SHE JUST
UPONED TO BE OVER WITH IT, AND I
UPONED TO BE OVER WITH IT, AND I
THINK, KAREN, A LITTLE BIT OF
THINK, KAREN, A LITTLE BIT OF
THE SAME THING.
THE SAME THING.
I THINK IT WAS MORE EXHAUSTION
I THINK IT WAS MORE EXHAUSTION
THAN EXCITEMENT UNTIL WE GOT TO
THAN EXCITEMENT UNTIL WE GOT TO
THE BUS STATION OR TO THE BUS
THE BUS STATION OR TO THE BUS
STOP AND SHE SAW THE BROTHER GET
STOP AND SHE SAW THE BROTHER GET
OUT, AND YOU REALLY SAW THE
OUT, AND YOU REALLY SAW THE
EMOTION AND YOU THINK ABOUT A
EMOTION AND YOU THINK ABOUT A
YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU THINK A
YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU THINK A
YEAR AND A HALF, NOT THAT LONG
YEAR AND A HALF, NOT THAT LONG
OR FOR SOME FAMILIES IT'S A LOT
OR FOR SOME FAMILIES IT'S A LOT
LONGER, BUT SEEING THE EMOTION
LONGER, BUT SEEING THE EMOTION
BETWEEN THE TWO SIBLINGS AND
BETWEEN THE TWO SIBLINGS AND
BETWEEN THE BROTHER AND LIZETTE,
BETWEEN THE BROTHER AND LIZETTE,
YOU WOULD HAVE THINK THEY HADN'T
YOU WOULD HAVE THINK THEY HADN'T
SEEN EACH OTHER IN A MUCH, MUCH
SEEN EACH OTHER IN A MUCH, MUCH
LONGER TIME.
LONGER TIME.
THEY WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO
THEY WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO
BE ABLE TO ON HUG EACH OTHER
BE ABLE TO ON HUG EACH OTHER
AGAIN.
AGAIN.
AND ALSO CAPTURING IT, AND THE
AND ALSO CAPTURING IT, AND THE
TRICKY PART IS AT THE END AS WE
TRICKY PART IS AT THE END AS WE
WERE BANKING ON HER BROTHER AND
WERE BANKING ON HER BROTHER AND
THE FAMILY BEING RECEPTIVE FOR
THE FAMILY BEING RECEPTIVE FOR
HAVING US ALONG TO GET MORE OF
HAVING US ALONG TO GET MORE OF
THEIR STORY.
THEIR STORY.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO
WHEN HE HOPPED OFF THE MINIVAN
WHEN HE HOPPED OFF THE MINIVAN
AND AFTER A YEAR AND A HALF WAS
AND AFTER A YEAR AND A HALF WAS
TO BE IN HIS FACE WITH THE
TO BE IN HIS FACE WITH THE
CAMERA FIRING OFF FRAMES AND
CAMERA FIRING OFF FRAMES AND
WHILE I MAY HAVE SACRIFICED
WHILE I MAY HAVE SACRIFICED
MISSING AN INITIAL MOMENT I WAS
MISSING AN INITIAL MOMENT I WAS
ABLE TO GET THE MOMENT WITH HIM
ABLE TO GET THE MOMENT WITH HIM
AND KAREN WHEN THEY WERE HUGGING
AND KAREN WHEN THEY WERE HUGGING
AND SHE WAS QUITE EMOTIONAL AND
AND SHE WAS QUITE EMOTIONAL AND
BY GIVING THAT LITTLE RESPECT
BY GIVING THAT LITTLE RESPECT
AND BARRIER TO THEM MADE THEM
AND BARRIER TO THEM MADE THEM
FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US
FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US
BECAUSE UP UNTIL THAT POINT IT
BECAUSE UP UNTIL THAT POINT IT
WAS UP IN THE AIR.
WAS UP IN THE AIR.
AS THEY WERE SAYING YEAH, COME
AS THEY WERE SAYING YEAH, COME
ON ALONG WITH US OR YOU'VE COME
ON ALONG WITH US OR YOU'VE COME
TOO FAR.
TOO FAR.
>> WHAT ABOUT THOSE MOMENTS OF
>> WHAT ABOUT THOSE MOMENTS OF
BEING INSIDE A STORE, WATCHING
BEING INSIDE A STORE, WATCHING
LITTLE LIZETTE EAT A POPSICLE
LITTLE LIZETTE EAT A POPSICLE
AND CHINESE TAKEOUT FOOD AND
AND CHINESE TAKEOUT FOOD AND
THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN UNUSUAL
THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN UNUSUAL
EXPERIENCE AND NOW YOU'RE
EXPERIENCE AND NOW YOU'RE
PHOTOGRAPHING THE THINGS SOME OF
PHOTOGRAPHING THE THINGS SOME OF
US TAKE FOR GRANTED.
US TAKE FOR GRANTED.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH.
YOU KNOW, MY APPROACH KIND OF
YOU KNOW, MY APPROACH KIND OF
GOING INTO IT WAS PUTTING THEM
GOING INTO IT WAS PUTTING THEM
IN THE CONTEXT.
IN THE CONTEXT.
ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE
ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE
RUN WAS A PICTURE LATE AT NIGHT
RUN WAS A PICTURE LATE AT NIGHT
AND THERE IS A KFC LOGO GOING BY
AND THERE IS A KFC LOGO GOING BY
AND TO THAT POINT I KEPT TRYING
AND TO THAT POINT I KEPT TRYING
TO MAKE A MOMENT TO FRAME THINGS
TO MAKE A MOMENT TO FRAME THINGS
AND WE WENT TO BARSTOW, TEXAS
AND WE WENT TO BARSTOW, TEXAS
AND THERE WAS A WATER TOWER THAT
AND THERE WAS A WATER TOWER THAT
WAS JUST EMPTY DESERT AND TEXAS
WAS JUST EMPTY DESERT AND TEXAS
LAND.
LAND.
SO WELL IS A PICTURE OF KAREN
SO WELL IS A PICTURE OF KAREN
STARING OUT THE WINDOW WHILE YOU
STARING OUT THE WINDOW WHILE YOU
HAVE THIS AMERICANA FLYING BY IN
HAVE THIS AMERICANA FLYING BY IN
THE WINDSHIELD AND WALMART.
THE WINDSHIELD AND WALMART.
WALMART IS A QUINT ESSENTIAL
WALMART IS A QUINT ESSENTIAL
KIND OF AMERICA AND IT'S COMMON
KIND OF AMERICA AND IT'S COMMON
TO US AND NOT SO MUCH TO THEM.
TO US AND NOT SO MUCH TO THEM.
I FIGURED A PICTURE OR TWO IN
I FIGURED A PICTURE OR TWO IN
THERE WHILE TRYING TO STAY LOW
THERE WHILE TRYING TO STAY LOW
AND NOT DRAWING ATTENTION TO
AND NOT DRAWING ATTENTION TO
MYSELF WAS QUINT ESSENTIAL TO
MYSELF WAS QUINT ESSENTIAL TO
THAT AS WELL.
THAT AS WELL.
>> AFTER DAYS, YOU SAID WE'RE
>> AFTER DAYS, YOU SAID WE'RE
HERE AND NOW WE'LL WATCH.
HERE AND NOW WE'LL WATCH.
YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT THE
YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT THE
FAMILY JUST WANTED TO BE A
FAMILY JUST WANTED TO BE A
FAMILY AGAIN.
FAMILY AGAIN.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH.
IT JUST HAPPENS SO THAT THE
IT JUST HAPPENS SO THAT THE
FIRST DAY THAT -- AS SOON AS WE
FIRST DAY THAT -- AS SOON AS WE
GOT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE
GOT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE
HAVING DINNER TOGETHER AND
HAVING DINNER TOGETHER AND
TAKING BATHS AND IT WAS REALLY
TAKING BATHS AND IT WAS REALLY
CUTE THAT LIZETTE RIGHT AWAY
CUTE THAT LIZETTE RIGHT AWAY
WANTED TO WEAR THE NEW CLOTHES
WANTED TO WEAR THE NEW CLOTHES
THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FOR HER AT
THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FOR HER AT
WALMART, AND THEY WANTED TIME --
WALMART, AND THEY WANTED TIME --
YOU COULD TELL THEY WANTED TIME
YOU COULD TELL THEY WANTED TIME
FOR THEMSELVES AND IT'S NOT THE
FOR THEMSELVES AND IT'S NOT THE
SAME THING TO HAVE A REUNION
SAME THING TO HAVE A REUNION
WITH TWO JOURNALISTS IN YOUR
WITH TWO JOURNALISTS IN YOUR
FACE AND SO WE -- EVEN THOUGH
FACE AND SO WE -- EVEN THOUGH
THEY HAD BEEN VERY OPEN AND
THEY HAD BEEN VERY OPEN AND
RECEPTIVE TO US, YOU KIND OF GOT
RECEPTIVE TO US, YOU KIND OF GOT
THE FEELING THAT THEY WANTED THE
THE FEELING THAT THEY WANTED THE
DOWN TIME TO TALK ABOUT THEIR
DOWN TIME TO TALK ABOUT THEIR
FAMILY BACK IN GUATEMALA AND
FAMILY BACK IN GUATEMALA AND
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THEIR
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THEIR
FEELINGS, ABOUT THEIR FUTURE SO
FEELINGS, ABOUT THEIR FUTURE SO
WE LEFT THEM THAT THURSDAY
WE LEFT THEM THAT THURSDAY
EVENING.
EVENING.
>> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING BORDER
>> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING BORDER
ISSUES FOR A REALLY LONG TIME
ISSUES FOR A REALLY LONG TIME
NOW.
NOW.
WHERE DOES THIS FARE IN YOUR
WHERE DOES THIS FARE IN YOUR
EXPERIENCES?
EXPERIENCES?
>> I THINK THIS IS THE DEEPEST,
>> I THINK THIS IS THE DEEPEST,
MORE IN-DEPTH STORY THAT I TOLD
MORE IN-DEPTH STORY THAT I TOLD
JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME I HAD
JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME I HAD
SPENT WITH HER.
SPENT WITH HER.
I HAD DONE OTHER TRAVELING
I HAD DONE OTHER TRAVELING
PROJECTS, BUT YOU KIND OF OF GO
PROJECTS, BUT YOU KIND OF OF GO
IN AND OUT AND DON'T SPEND THE
IN AND OUT AND DON'T SPEND THE
NIGHT WITH THE FAMILY AND HERE
NIGHT WITH THE FAMILY AND HERE
YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW,
YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW,
GOING TO THE BATHROOM WITH THEM
GOING TO THE BATHROOM WITH THEM
AND SEE HER BRUSHING HER TEETH
AND SEE HER BRUSHING HER TEETH
AND THINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF
AND THINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF
WHERE WE WERE I GOT TO SEE A LOT
WHERE WE WERE I GOT TO SEE A LOT
MORE AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WITH
MORE AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WITH
THE STORY WAS TO SHOW THE
THE STORY WAS TO SHOW THE
COMPLEXITIES OF IMMIGRATION.
COMPLEXITIES OF IMMIGRATION.
THIS IT'S NOT ONE SINGLE REASON
THIS IT'S NOT ONE SINGLE REASON
WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND IN
WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND IN
ORDER TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, IT'S
ORDER TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, IT'S
GOING TO -- IT HAS TO BE
GOING TO -- IT HAS TO BE
APPROACHED FROM DIFFERENT WAYS
APPROACHED FROM DIFFERENT WAYS
AND THAT DOING THINGS HERE IN
AND THAT DOING THINGS HERE IN
THE U.S. WILL NOT SOLVE THE
THE U.S. WILL NOT SOLVE THE
PROBLEM ON ITS OWN.
PROBLEM ON ITS OWN.
WITH THIS FAMILY, THE FATHER
WITH THIS FAMILY, THE FATHER
CAME IN THE LATE '90s AND SENT
CAME IN THE LATE '90s AND SENT
MONEY BACK WHICH GAVE THEM A
MONEY BACK WHICH GAVE THEM A
BETTER EDUCATION, BUT THAT STILL
BETTER EDUCATION, BUT THAT STILL
WASN'T ENOUGH AND THE BROTHER
WASN'T ENOUGH AND THE BROTHER
LEFT AND NOW SHE LEFT AND IT
LEFT AND NOW SHE LEFT AND IT
ALSO MADE ME THINK OF THE CYCLE
ALSO MADE ME THINK OF THE CYCLE
OF IMMIGRATION AND INSTEAD OF
OF IMMIGRATION AND INSTEAD OF
LIZETTE BEING LEFT BEHIND AND
LIZETTE BEING LEFT BEHIND AND
EVENTUALLY COMING, SHE'S COMING
EVENTUALLY COMING, SHE'S COMING
ALREADY WITH THE MOM, AND I
ALREADY WITH THE MOM, AND I
WONDER WHAT THAT'S GOING TO PLAY
WONDER WHAT THAT'S GOING TO PLAY
IN THE FUTURE IMMIGRATION TRENDS
IN THE FUTURE IMMIGRATION TRENDS
WITH ALL OF THESE WOMEN AND
WITH ALL OF THESE WOMEN AND
CHILDREN TRAVELING.
CHILDREN TRAVELING.
SO THAT WAS THE MAIN THING FOR
SO THAT WAS THE MAIN THING FOR
ME, JUST SHOWING THE
ME, JUST SHOWING THE
COMPLEXITIES OF WHY PEOPLE
COMPLEXITIES OF WHY PEOPLE
DECIDE TO LEAVE, AND I UPONED TO
DECIDE TO LEAVE, AND I UPONED TO
KNOW.
KNOW.
I WANTED TO KNOW THAT, AS WELL.
I WANTED TO KNOW THAT, AS WELL.
>> WAS THERE A FINE LINE THAT
>> WAS THERE A FINE LINE THAT
YOU HAD TO WALK AS JOURNALISTS
YOU HAD TO WALK AS JOURNALISTS
AND SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE A
AND SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE A
FELLOW PASSENGER ON THIS BUS?
FELLOW PASSENGER ON THIS BUS?
DID EITHER ONE OF YOU FEEL THAT
DID EITHER ONE OF YOU FEEL THAT
WAY AT ANY POINT?
WAY AT ANY POINT?
>> FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD HAVE
>> FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD HAVE
LOVED TO CAPTURE THEM REALLY
LOVED TO CAPTURE THEM REALLY
BEING -- GETTING LOST WITH THE
BEING -- GETTING LOST WITH THE
BUS SYSTEM AND MIKE HAVING
BUS SYSTEM AND MIKE HAVING
CAPTURED THAT IN PHOTOS, BUT AT
CAPTURED THAT IN PHOTOS, BUT AT
THE SAM TIME YOU'RE A HUMAN
THE SAM TIME YOU'RE A HUMAN
BEING AND YOU CANNOT GO TO
BEING AND YOU CANNOT GO TO
SOMEONE AND WHEN THEY ASK YOU,
SOMEONE AND WHEN THEY ASK YOU,
DO WE GET OFF YOU, YOU TELL ME,
DO WE GET OFF YOU, YOU TELL ME,
AND I'M THE JOURNALIST AND ONLY
AND I'M THE JOURNALIST AND ONLY
WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE
WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE
CAPTURED.
CAPTURED.
AS A JOURNALIST I WOULD HAVE
AS A JOURNALIST I WOULD HAVE
LOVED TO HAVE BEEN FLY ON THE
LOVED TO HAVE BEEN FLY ON THE
WALL, WHERE IF THEY MISSED THE
WALL, WHERE IF THEY MISSED THE
WALL OR GOT ON THE WRONG ONE, AT
WALL OR GOT ON THE WRONG ONE, AT
THE SAME TIME I CANNOT PRETEND
THE SAME TIME I CANNOT PRETEND
I'M GETTING OFF THIS BUS.
I'M GETTING OFF THIS BUS.
THAT WAS A TOUGH -- YOU DID NOT
THAT WAS A TOUGH -- YOU DID NOT
WANT TO ACTUALLY LEAD THEM, BUT
WANT TO ACTUALLY LEAD THEM, BUT
AT THE SAME TIME YOU DIDN'T WANT
AT THE SAME TIME YOU DIDN'T WANT
TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
WAS HAPPENING JUST SO YOU COULD
WAS HAPPENING JUST SO YOU COULD
HAVE THE PARAGRAPH ON YOUR
HAVE THE PARAGRAPH ON YOUR
STORY.
STORY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FELT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FELT.
>> I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY FOUND
>> I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY FOUND
MYSELF SLIPPING INTO PASSENGER
MYSELF SLIPPING INTO PASSENGER
MODE AS WE GOT FURTHER ON IN THE
MODE AS WE GOT FURTHER ON IN THE
DEEP SOUTH, IN MISSISSIPPI AND
DEEP SOUTH, IN MISSISSIPPI AND
ALABAMA TRYING TO FIND SEATS
ALABAMA TRYING TO FIND SEATS
BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT
BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT
HAVING A SEAT CLOSE TO THEM
HAVING A SEAT CLOSE TO THEM
BECAUSE THE BUS WAS PACKED.
BECAUSE THE BUS WAS PACKED.
THERE WERE NO EMPTY SEATS BY THE
THERE WERE NO EMPTY SEATS BY THE
TIME WE REACHED THE MIDDLE PART
TIME WE REACHED THE MIDDLE PART
OF OUR JOURNEY.
OF OUR JOURNEY.
SO THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE
SO THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE
SHUFFLED WAY BACK AND IT WAS
SHUFFLED WAY BACK AND IT WAS
QUESTIONABLE IF I WOULD SIT
QUESTIONABLE IF I WOULD SIT
ACROSS FROM THEM, IN FRONT OF
ACROSS FROM THEM, IN FRONT OF
THEM OR HAVE A VIEW OF THEM AT
THEM OR HAVE A VIEW OF THEM AT
ALL AND I FOUND MYSELF TRYING TO
ALL AND I FOUND MYSELF TRYING TO
COORDINATE SEATING ARRANGEMENTS
COORDINATE SEATING ARRANGEMENTS
AND WE HAD TO LET THIS ALL PLAY
AND WE HAD TO LET THIS ALL PLAY
OUT BY MYSELF.
OUT BY MYSELF.
>> AND BEING IN WASHINGTON, DUMP
>> AND BEING IN WASHINGTON, DUMP
C., IN T
C., IN T
C, AND YOU MENTIONED -- IT WAS
C, AND YOU MENTIONED -- IT WAS
IN SPANISH, AND SHE MENTIONED
IN SPANISH, AND SHE MENTIONED
THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF
THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF
THE UNITED STATES AND I TAUGHT
THE UNITED STATES AND I TAUGHT
IT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT THERE.
IT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT THERE.
>> PERLA SAYS THE MOTHER AND
>> PERLA SAYS THE MOTHER AND
DAUGHTER ARE DUE TO APPEAR
DAUGHTER ARE DUE TO APPEAR
BEFORE AN IMMIGRATION JUDGE NEXT
BEFORE AN IMMIGRATION JUDGE NEXT
MONTH.
MONTH.
>>> TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY
>>> TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY
NOW AND TO THE QUESTION OF
NOW AND TO THE QUESTION OF
WHETHER OR NOT BORDER SECURITY
WHETHER OR NOT BORDER SECURITY
HAS SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE
HAS SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE
INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS.
INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS.
HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH SILVIA
HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH SILVIA
LONGMEYER, AN AUTHOR AND BORDER
LONGMEYER, AN AUTHOR AND BORDER
ANALYST.
ANALYST.
>> SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
>> SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
IT'S LONG BEEN SAID THAT
IT'S LONG BEEN SAID THAT
AMERICANS WANT THE LABOR, THEY
AMERICANS WANT THE LABOR, THEY
WANT THE ILLICIT DRUGS.
WANT THE ILLICIT DRUGS.
HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PLAYING A
HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PLAYING A
ROLE IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING
ROLE IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING
HAPPENING AT THE BORDER RIGHT
HAPPENING AT THE BORDER RIGHT
NOW?
NOW?
>> IT'S A HUGE ROLE.
>> IT'S A HUGE ROLE.
ANYTHING RELATED TO THE BORDER
ANYTHING RELATED TO THE BORDER
WILL BE LARGELY POLITICIZED.
WILL BE LARGELY POLITICIZED.
WHAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK
WHAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK
ABOUT IS HOW BOTH DEMOCRATS AND
ABOUT IS HOW BOTH DEMOCRATS AND
REPUBLICANS ARE BENEFITING FROM
REPUBLICANS ARE BENEFITING FROM
CHEAP LABOR, FROM ILLEGAL
CHEAP LABOR, FROM ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION.
IMMIGRATION.
YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT SOME
YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT SOME
PEOPLE WILL SAY THESE FOLKS WILL
PEOPLE WILL SAY THESE FOLKS WILL
SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND
SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND
LATER ON IF THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE
LATER ON IF THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE
TO VOTE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU
TO VOTE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU
HAVE THE HUGE SUPPORT BASE
HAVE THE HUGE SUPPORT BASE
BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE
BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE
ONES CATERING TO THIS GROWING
ONES CATERING TO THIS GROWING
LATINO POPULATION, BUT THEN ON
LATINO POPULATION, BUT THEN ON
THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE
THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE
LARGE BUSINESSES THAT ARE
LARGE BUSINESSES THAT ARE
BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR.
BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR.
YOU HAVE HUGE FARMS AND RANCHES
YOU HAVE HUGE FARMS AND RANCHES
THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM ILLEGAL
THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM ILLEGAL
LABOR AND ALL OF THOSE PLAY INTO
LABOR AND ALL OF THOSE PLAY INTO
THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT GOES
THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT GOES
TO THE GOP.
TO THE GOP.
SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT
SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT
GO AWAY, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT,
GO AWAY, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT,
POLITICALLY SPEAKING TO SAY
POLITICALLY SPEAKING TO SAY
THAT.
THAT.
SO YOU HAVE -- THE DEMAND IS
SO YOU HAVE -- THE DEMAND IS
COMING FROM BOTH SIDES NO MATTER
COMING FROM BOTH SIDES NO MATTER
HOW IT PLAYS OUT ON TV OR IN THE
HOW IT PLAYS OUT ON TV OR IN THE
NEWS, THAT DEMAND FOR CHEAP
NEWS, THAT DEMAND FOR CHEAP
LABOR IS THERE, AND IT'S NOT
LABOR IS THERE, AND IT'S NOT
GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON,
GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON,
AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS
AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS
HERE THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS
HERE THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS
AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING,
AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING,
WILLING TO DO OR ABLE TO DO,
WILLING TO DO OR ABLE TO DO,
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPPLY TO
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPPLY TO
FILL THAT AND A LOT OF TIMES
FILL THAT AND A LOT OF TIMES
THAT SUPPLY WILL TAKE THE FORM
THAT SUPPLY WILL TAKE THE FORM
OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO DO THAT
OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO DO THAT
LABOR FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
LABOR FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
>> HOW DOES THAT SUPPLY AND
>> HOW DOES THAT SUPPLY AND
DEMAND AFFECT BORDER SECURITY
DEMAND AFFECT BORDER SECURITY
WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S
WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S
CONTINUING TO BE THE TOPIC AS WE
CONTINUING TO BE THE TOPIC AS WE
SEE THE CHILDREN COMING ACROSS
SEE THE CHILDREN COMING ACROSS
THE BORDER?
THE BORDER?
>> SURE.
>> SURE.
ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH
ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH
THE SURGE IS THAT THERE'S NO --
THE SURGE IS THAT THERE'S NO --
TRYING TO SEGREGATE THE THREATS
TRYING TO SEGREGATE THE THREATS
FROM THE NON-THREATS IS ONE OF
FROM THE NON-THREATS IS ONE OF
THE BIG ISSUES.
THE BIG ISSUES.
YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT'S MORE
YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT'S MORE
GENERALLY AND MORE BROADLY
GENERALLY AND MORE BROADLY
SPEAK, WHAT IS BORDER SECURITY
SPEAK, WHAT IS BORDER SECURITY
AND WHAT DOES A SECURE BORDER
AND WHAT DOES A SECURE BORDER
LOOK LIKE?
LOOK LIKE?
YOU HAVE THIS 57,000 WAS THE
YOU HAVE THIS 57,000 WAS THE
LATEST COUNT OF UNACCOMPANIED
LATEST COUNT OF UNACCOMPANIED
MINORS OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY
MINORS OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY
UNITS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER
UNITS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER
AND THAT'S PLACING A HUGE STRAIN
AND THAT'S PLACING A HUGE STRAIN
ON SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT ARE THEY
ON SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT ARE THEY
REALLY A THREAT?
REALLY A THREAT?
THAT IS KIND OF AN
THAT IS KIND OF AN
ADMINISTRATION PROBLEM FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION PROBLEM FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH, BUT
ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH, BUT
IT'S AT A SECURITY ISSUE.
IT'S AT A SECURITY ISSUE.
IT HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT SO
IT HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT SO
MANY PEOPLE CAN COME ACROSS AND
MANY PEOPLE CAN COME ACROSS AND
WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING
WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING
AND THEN AGAIN THE REAL SECURITY
AND THEN AGAIN THE REAL SECURITY
ISSUE IS WHILE THESE FOLKS ARE
ISSUE IS WHILE THESE FOLKS ARE
BEING DEALT WITH ON AN
BEING DEALT WITH ON AN
ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND BEING
ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND BEING
PROCESSED AND PLACED IN
PROCESSED AND PLACED IN
DETENTION CENTERS FOR A LITTLE
DETENTION CENTERS FOR A LITTLE
WHILE, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT
WHILE, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT
THE ROLL BEAL BAD GUYS AND PEOP
THE ROLL BEAL BAD GUYS AND PEOP
RELATED TO HEZBOLLAH OR OTHER
RELATED TO HEZBOLLAH OR OTHER
TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND WHO
TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND WHO
IS TENDING TO THEM WHILE THE
IS TENDING TO THEM WHILE THE
AGENTS ARE BEING PULLED OFF THE
AGENTS ARE BEING PULLED OFF THE
LINE TO DEAL WITH AN
LINE TO DEAL WITH AN
ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THAT CAN BE
ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THAT CAN BE
DEALT WITH AT A LEGISLATIVE
DEALT WITH AT A LEGISLATIVE
LEVEL.
LEVEL.
IN MY MIND THAT'S HOW IT'S
IN MY MIND THAT'S HOW IT'S
AFFECTING BORDER SECURITY THAT
AFFECTING BORDER SECURITY THAT
IT IS BEING BOGGED DOWN BECAUSE
IT IS BEING BOGGED DOWN BECAUSE
IT IS NOT BEING HANDLED AT THE
IT IS NOT BEING HANDLED AT THE
ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, COM
ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, COM
PREHUNDREDSIVE REFORM OR
PREHUNDREDSIVE REFORM OR
SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT'S
SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT'S
WHERE IT COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT
WHERE IT COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT
TENDING WITH THE BAD GUYS WHILE
TENDING WITH THE BAD GUYS WHILE
WE'RE DEALING WITH THE
WE'RE DEALING WITH THE
LEGISLATIVE BACKLOG AND
LEGISLATIVE BACKLOG AND
INABILITY TO ACT.
INABILITY TO ACT.
>> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT SOME
>> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT SOME
OF THESE CHILDREN MAY, IN FACT,
OF THESE CHILDREN MAY, IN FACT,
BE MEMBERS OF THESE GANGS FROM
BE MEMBERS OF THESE GANGS FROM
CENTRAL AMERICA?
CENTRAL AMERICA?
>> WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, I
>> WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, I
THINK MAYBE A DOZEN OR SO -- A
THINK MAYBE A DOZEN OR SO -- A
COUPLE DOZEN HAVE BEEN
COUPLE DOZEN HAVE BEEN
IDENTIFIED BY THEIR TATTOOS AND
IDENTIFIED BY THEIR TATTOOS AND
EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S, I THINK,
EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S, I THINK,
TO BE EXPECTED, BUT OVERALL, AT
TO BE EXPECTED, BUT OVERALL, AT
LEAST THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN
LEAST THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN
THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE DOZEN OUT
THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE DOZEN OUT
OF THE 57,000 THAT HAVE BEEN
OF THE 57,000 THAT HAVE BEEN
APPREHENDED SO IT MAKES GOOD
APPREHENDED SO IT MAKES GOOD
HEADLINES AND OF COURSE, IT'S
HEADLINES AND OF COURSE, IT'S
ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE
ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE
GANG MEMBERS COMING OVER AND
GANG MEMBERS COMING OVER AND
THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT
THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT
RECRUITING ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN
RECRUITING ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN
HAPPENING AT DETENTION
HAPPENING AT DETENTION
FACILITIES AND THAT WILL HAPPEN
FACILITIES AND THAT WILL HAPPEN
AND SOME GRAFFITI THAT HAS BEEN
AND SOME GRAFFITI THAT HAS BEEN
FOUND IN THE BATHROOMS AND SUCH
FOUND IN THE BATHROOMS AND SUCH
IN THE DETENTION FACILITIES AND
IN THE DETENTION FACILITIES AND
IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN AND THESE
IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN AND THESE
ARE NOT THE ROUTES THAT GANG
ARE NOT THE ROUTES THAT GANG
MEMBERS TRADITIONALLY TAKE TO
MEMBERS TRADITIONALLY TAKE TO
COME INTO THE UNITED STATES.
COME INTO THE UNITED STATES.
THEY DON'T NEED TO INSERT
THEY DON'T NEED TO INSERT
THEMSELVES WITH THESE KIDS AND
THEMSELVES WITH THESE KIDS AND
THESE FAMILIES.
THESE FAMILIES.
THEY'RE GETTING IN AND OUT.
THEY'RE GETTING IN AND OUT.
A LOT OF THEM HAVE DUAL
A LOT OF THEM HAVE DUAL
CITIZENSHIP AND THEY DON'T HAVE
CITIZENSHIP AND THEY DON'T HAVE
AN ARREST RECORD JUST YET AT
AN ARREST RECORD JUST YET AT
LEAST NOT HERE IN THE UNITED
LEAST NOT HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES SO THEY CAN COME AND GO
STATES SO THEY CAN COME AND GO
IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BORDER
IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BORDER
WITHOUT HAVING TO GET INVOLVED
WITHOUT HAVING TO GET INVOLVED
IN THIS WHOLE MESS.
IN THIS WHOLE MESS.
SO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT
SO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT
GANG MEMBERS COMING HERE FROM
GANG MEMBERS COMING HERE FROM
CENTRAL AMERICA AND AS FOR AS
CENTRAL AMERICA AND AS FOR AS
THE CONTEXT OF THE CRISIS THAT'S
THE CONTEXT OF THE CRISIS THAT'S
GOING ON IN SOUTH TECHNOLOGY
GOING ON IN SOUTH TECHNOLOGY
RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S NOT AS
RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S NOT AS
MUCH OF A CONCERN AS IT SHOULD
MUCH OF A CONCERN AS IT SHOULD
BE ELSEWHERE.
BE ELSEWHERE.
>> IN TEXAS, THE GOVERNOR WANTS
>> IN TEXAS, THE GOVERNOR WANTS
TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD IN
TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD IN
THE BORDER.
THE BORDER.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS
THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS
VERY ISSUE UNFOLD AND SAYING
VERY ISSUE UNFOLD AND SAYING
IT'S NOT GETTING PEOPLE.
IT'S NOT GETTING PEOPLE.
THESE PEOPLE ARE SURRENDERING,
THESE PEOPLE ARE SURRENDERING,
WHY SEND THE GUARD TO THE
WHY SEND THE GUARD TO THE
BORDER?
BORDER?
>> THERE IS A HISTORY OF SENDING
>> THERE IS A HISTORY OF SENDING
GUARD TO THE SOUTHWEST BORDER
GUARD TO THE SOUTHWEST BORDER
AND THIS WAS IN 2006-2008 AND
AND THIS WAS IN 2006-2008 AND
THERE WERE ROUGHLY 6,000 WERE AT
THERE WERE ROUGHLY 6,000 WERE AT
THE PEAK.
THE PEAK.
6,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS THAT
6,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS THAT
WERE SENT DOWN AND IT WAS VERY
WERE SENT DOWN AND IT WAS VERY
EFFECTIVE.
EFFECTIVE.
WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
UNDERSTAND IS THAT NATIONAL
UNDERSTAND IS THAT NATIONAL
GUARD TROOPS CANNOT ENFORCE
GUARD TROOPS CANNOT ENFORCE
CIVILIAN LAW.
CIVILIAN LAW.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ARREST
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ARREST
ANYBODY, APPREHEND ANYBODY.
ANYBODY, APPREHEND ANYBODY.
THEY ACT AS EXTRA EYES AND EARS.
THEY ACT AS EXTRA EYES AND EARS.
THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF OTHER
THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF OTHER
JOBS AS WELL AND THEY CAN BE
JOBS AS WELL AND THEY CAN BE
VERY HELPFUL, BUT IF THEY CATCH
VERY HELPFUL, BUT IF THEY CATCH
ANYBODY OR SEE ANYBODY THEY HAVE
ANYBODY OR SEE ANYBODY THEY HAVE
TO TURN THEM OVER TO BORDER
TO TURN THEM OVER TO BORDER
PATROL ESPECIALLY THE MINORS AND
PATROL ESPECIALLY THE MINORS AND
THE FAMILIES THAT ARE TURNING
THE FAMILIES THAT ARE TURNING
THEMSELVES IN AND SAYING HEY,
THEMSELVES IN AND SAYING HEY,
WE'RE HERE, PROCESS ME AND GIVE
WE'RE HERE, PROCESS ME AND GIVE
ME MY PERMISO.
ME MY PERMISO.
SO IF THEY START TURNING
SO IF THEY START TURNING
THEMSELVES INTO BORDER PATROL
THEMSELVES INTO BORDER PATROL
AGENTS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO
AGENTS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN.
AND IF THEY TURN THEMSELVES INTO
AND IF THEY TURN THEMSELVES INTO
SOLDIERS, THEY'LL HAND THEM OVER
SOLDIERS, THEY'LL HAND THEM OVER
FOR THE SAME THING.
FOR THE SAME THING.
IT'S JUST FOR SHOW AND I THINK
IT'S JUST FOR SHOW AND I THINK
IT'S A LOT OF POLITICAL
IT'S A LOT OF POLITICAL
POSTURING AND IF THAT'S WHAT
POSTURING AND IF THAT'S WHAT
TECHNOLOGY FEELS THEY NEED TO DO
TECHNOLOGY FEELS THEY NEED TO DO
TO MAKE THE CONSTITUENTS HAPPY
TO MAKE THE CONSTITUENTS HAPPY
AND FEEL MORE SECURE, I GET
AND FEEL MORE SECURE, I GET
THAT, BUT AS FAR AS A PRACTICAL
THAT, BUT AS FAR AS A PRACTICAL
SOLUTION, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
SOLUTION, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
>> AND JOINING ME NOW WITH THE
>> AND JOINING ME NOW WITH THE
LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IS FERNANDA,
LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IS FERNANDA,
CHAFF RIA, A REPORTER WITH
CHAFF RIA, A REPORTER WITH
ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA.
ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA.
LET'S START WITH THE NUMBER OF
LET'S START WITH THE NUMBER OF
CHILDREN, HERE IN NOGALES, IN
CHILDREN, HERE IN NOGALES, IN
SOUTHERN ARIZONA IT'S DWINDLED
SOUTHERN ARIZONA IT'S DWINDLED
QUITE A BIT.
QUITE A BIT.
>> WHEN I TOURED THE FACILITY IN
>> WHEN I TOURED THE FACILITY IN
A LITTLE OVER A MONTH NOW, THERE
A LITTLE OVER A MONTH NOW, THERE
WERE ABOUT A THOUSAND CHILDREN.
WERE ABOUT A THOUSAND CHILDREN.
AS OF EARLIER THIS WEEK THERE
AS OF EARLIER THIS WEEK THERE
WERE LESS THAN TEN.
WERE LESS THAN TEN.
EVEN BEFORE THAT WE STOPPED
EVEN BEFORE THAT WE STOPPED
SEEING THE CHILDREN BASICALLY
SEEING THE CHILDREN BASICALLY
BUSSED OVER HERE, FLOWN OVER
BUSSED OVER HERE, FLOWN OVER
HERE FROM TEXAS QUITE A FEW
HERE FROM TEXAS QUITE A FEW
YEARS AGO SO THE TEXAS INFLUX
YEARS AGO SO THE TEXAS INFLUX
STOPPED A LITTLE BIT AGO AND NOW
STOPPED A LITTLE BIT AGO AND NOW
THE NUMBER IN GENERAL OF
THE NUMBER IN GENERAL OF
UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN
UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN
APPREHENDED IN THE TUCSON SECTOR
APPREHENDED IN THE TUCSON SECTOR
IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND BORDER
IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND BORDER
PATROL OFFICIALS TELL ME THERE'S
PATROL OFFICIALS TELL ME THERE'S
ABOUT LESS THAN TEN KIDS IN
ABOUT LESS THAN TEN KIDS IN
THERE AND THEN AGAIN THERE COULD
THERE AND THEN AGAIN THERE COULD
HAVE BEEN OTHER KIDS DROPPED OFF
HAVE BEEN OTHER KIDS DROPPED OFF
AT THE PROCESSING FACILITY THIS
AT THE PROCESSING FACILITY THIS
MORNING OR WILL BE TAKEN THERE
MORNING OR WILL BE TAKEN THERE
TOMORROW.
TOMORROW.
SO --
SO --
>> WHAT LED TO THAT DECREASE IN
>> WHAT LED TO THAT DECREASE IN
NUMBERS SUDDENLY?
NUMBERS SUDDENLY?
IS IT IT BECAUSE WORD WAS
IS IT IT BECAUSE WORD WAS
STARTING TO SPREAD?
STARTING TO SPREAD?
>> IT'S DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT
>> IT'S DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT
WHAT EXACTLY -- DID THAT, BUT
WHAT EXACTLY -- DID THAT, BUT
THERE WAS THIS WAVE THAT
THERE WAS THIS WAVE THAT
HAPPENED IN TEXAS, SO WE HAVE TO
HAPPENED IN TEXAS, SO WE HAVE TO
REMEMBER THAT AS FAR AS TUCSON
REMEMBER THAT AS FAR AS TUCSON
GOES, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE
GOES, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE
UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN CROSS
UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN CROSS
ILLEGALLY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT
ILLEGALLY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT
WHAT WE WERE SEEING A COUPLE OF
WHAT WE WERE SEEING A COUPLE OF
MONTHS BACK WITH WHAT WAS
MONTHS BACK WITH WHAT WAS
HAPPENING IN TEXAS AND THAT WAS
HAPPENING IN TEXAS AND THAT WAS
THE WAY THAT WAS COMING UP.
THE WAY THAT WAS COMING UP.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHETHER
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHETHER
THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A
THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A
MONTH OR SO.
MONTH OR SO.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY.
SO THOSE CHILDREN WHO WERE HERE.
SO THOSE CHILDREN WHO WERE HERE.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
THEY'RE NO LONGER UNDER DHS.
THEY'RE NO LONGER UNDER DHS.
THEY WERE IN HEALTH AND HUMAN
THEY WERE IN HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY
SERVICES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY
STILL AT THIS POINT?
STILL AT THIS POINT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
SO THE CHILDREN THAT WE SAW, THE
SO THE CHILDREN THAT WE SAW, THE
THOUSANDS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT
THOUSANDS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT
NOGALES PROCESSING FACILITY WERE
NOGALES PROCESSING FACILITY WERE
IN THE CUSTODY OF THE DEPARTMENT
IN THE CUSTODY OF THE DEPARTMENT
OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AS YOU
OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AS YOU
SAID.
SAID.
AFTER THEY LEAVE THEIR CUSTODY
AFTER THEY LEAVE THEIR CUSTODY
THEY GO TO HEALTH AND HUMAN
THEY GO TO HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES AND THE OFFICE OF
SERVICES AND THE OFFICE OF
REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT.
REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT.
WE GOT NUMBERS EARLIER THIS WEEK
WE GOT NUMBERS EARLIER THIS WEEK
FROM THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE
FROM THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE
RESETTLEMENT THAT SAID ABOUT
RESETTLEMENT THAT SAID ABOUT
30,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN
30,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN
ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEIR
ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEIR
CUSTODY AND THEY HAVE NOW BEEN
CUSTODY AND THEY HAVE NOW BEEN
RELEASED TO WHAT THEY CALL
RELEASED TO WHAT THEY CALL
QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SPONSORS.
QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SPONSORS.
SO THESE SPONSORS COULD BE A
SO THESE SPONSORS COULD BE A
TRUE SPONSOR NOT RELATED TO THE
TRUE SPONSOR NOT RELATED TO THE
CHILD, BUT WHO IS SPONSORING THE
CHILD, BUT WHO IS SPONSORING THE
TEEN OR YOUNG CHILD OR IT COULD
TEEN OR YOUNG CHILD OR IT COULD
BE A FAMILY MEMBER.
BE A FAMILY MEMBER.
IT COULD BE A PARENT.
IT COULD BE A PARENT.
SO WE WERE TALKING AND IF YOU
SO WE WERE TALKING AND IF YOU
WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR
WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR
A SECOND, WE HAD 52,000 AND
A SECOND, WE HAD 52,000 AND
CLOSE TO 60,000 UNACCOMPANIED
CLOSE TO 60,000 UNACCOMPANIED
CHILDREN.
CHILDREN.
ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE NO LONGER
ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE NO LONGER
IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
CUSTODY.
CUSTODY.
THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO
THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO
PEOPLE AND THAT IS ANYWHERE
PEOPLE AND THAT IS ANYWHERE
ACROSS THE U.S.
ACROSS THE U.S.
IN ARIZONA, 186 HAVE BEEN
IN ARIZONA, 186 HAVE BEEN
RELEASED TO SPONSORS.
RELEASED TO SPONSORS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN
TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN
THE TUCSON SHELTER BECAUSE THEY
THE TUCSON SHELTER BECAUSE THEY
ARE STILL IN THE CUSTODY OF
ARE STILL IN THE CUSTODY OF
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
SO THE CHILDREN ARE EVERYWHERE
SO THE CHILDREN ARE EVERYWHERE
ESSENTIALLY.
ESSENTIALLY.
THE CHILDREN THAT YOU AND I SAW
THE CHILDREN THAT YOU AND I SAW
AT THE NOGALES WAREHOUSE COULD
AT THE NOGALES WAREHOUSE COULD
BE IN MAINE, COULD BE IN THE
BE IN MAINE, COULD BE IN THE
TUCSON SHELTER OR COULD BE AT
TUCSON SHELTER OR COULD BE AT
HOME WITH A PARENT HERE IN THE
HOME WITH A PARENT HERE IN THE
U.S.
U.S.
>> AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE
>> AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE
CHILDREN UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF
CHILDREN UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN
TEMPORARY HOME SHELTERS.
TEMPORARY HOME SHELTERS.
>> YES.
>> YES.
>> YOU DID SOME WORK HERE AT
>> YOU DID SOME WORK HERE AT
ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA ON THE
ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA ON THE
RADIO SIDE OF THINGS AND TALKING
RADIO SIDE OF THINGS AND TALKING
ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY RESPONSE
ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY RESPONSE
AND HOW IT'S REAL WILLY HELPED
AND HOW IT'S REAL WILLY HELPED
FOSTER SOME OF THEIR LIFESTYLE
FOSTER SOME OF THEIR LIFESTYLE
HERE SINCE THEY'VE ARRIVED.
HERE SINCE THEY'VE ARRIVED.
>> YES, PARTICULARLY, I FOCUS ON
>> YES, PARTICULARLY, I FOCUS ON
THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT
THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT
THE GREYHOUND STATION AS WE'VE
THE GREYHOUND STATION AS WE'VE
BEEN REPORTING.
BEEN REPORTING.
THOUSANDS BY NOW OF CENTRAL
THOUSANDS BY NOW OF CENTRAL
AMERICAN WOMEN, MOST OF THEM
AMERICAN WOMEN, MOST OF THEM
FROM GUATEMALA THAT ARRIVE WITH
FROM GUATEMALA THAT ARRIVE WITH
THEIR CHILDREN AND ARE
THEIR CHILDREN AND ARE
APPREHENDED CROSSING THE BORDER
APPREHENDED CROSSING THE BORDER
ILLEGALLY WITH THEIR CHILDREN,
ILLEGALLY WITH THEIR CHILDREN,
SOMETIMES INFANTS AND SOME OF
SOMETIMES INFANTS AND SOME OF
THEM ARE PREGNANT AND THEY'RE
THEM ARE PREGNANT AND THEY'RE
TAKEN AND PROCESSED BY BORDER
TAKEN AND PROCESSED BY BORDER
PATROL AND THEN THEY'RE DROPPED
PATROL AND THEN THEY'RE DROPPED
OFF AT THE GREYHOUND STATION IN
OFF AT THE GREYHOUND STATION IN
TUCSON AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE
TUCSON AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE
LAW SAYS THEY CANNOT DEPORT THEM
LAW SAYS THEY CANNOT DEPORT THEM
RIGHT AWAY AND THEY DROP THEM
RIGHT AWAY AND THEY DROP THEM
OFF IN THE GREYHOUND STATION AND
OFF IN THE GREYHOUND STATION AND
THE STORY I DID THIS WEEK ON
THE STORY I DID THIS WEEK ON
RADIO FOCUS, POLITICS ASIDE,
RADIO FOCUS, POLITICS ASIDE,
POLICY ASIDE WHAT IS THE TUCSON
POLICY ASIDE WHAT IS THE TUCSON
COMMUNITY DOING TO HELP THESE
COMMUNITY DOING TO HELP THESE
WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I SPOKE
WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I SPOKE
WITH THE MAN WHO HAS -- HE AND
WITH THE MAN WHO HAS -- HE AND
HIS PARTNER HAVE TAKEN IN MORE
HIS PARTNER HAVE TAKEN IN MORE
THAN 45 WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR
THAN 45 WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR
THE NIGHT.
THE NIGHT.
SO WHEN THE BUSSES ARE NOT
SO WHEN THE BUSSES ARE NOT
LEAVING THAT DAY FOR THESE WOMEN
LEAVING THAT DAY FOR THESE WOMEN
TO GO TO PLACES LIKE TENNESSEE,
TO GO TO PLACES LIKE TENNESSEE,
FLORIDA, DELAWARE AS WE HEARD
FLORIDA, DELAWARE AS WE HEARD
FROM PERLA EARLIER TODAY OR
FROM PERLA EARLIER TODAY OR
EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THESE WOMEN
EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THESE WOMEN
AND CHILDREN NEED A PLACE TO
AND CHILDREN NEED A PLACE TO
SLEEP.
SLEEP.
SO THERE ARE TUCSONIANS OPENING
SO THERE ARE TUCSONIANS OPENING
THEIR DOORS TO COMPLETE
THEIR DOORS TO COMPLETE
STRANGERS, GIVING THEM A PLACE
STRANGERS, GIVING THEM A PLACE
TO SLEEP, A HOT MEAL AND ALLOW
TO SLEEP, A HOT MEAL AND ALLOW
THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND SOME
THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND SOME
TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT REALLY DOES
TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT REALLY DOES
TO SOMEBODY, TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN
TO SOMEBODY, TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN
YOURSELF PHYSICALLY AND ALSO
YOURSELF PHYSICALLY AND ALSO
EMOTIONALLY TO GIVE YOU A BREAK
EMOTIONALLY TO GIVE YOU A BREAK
FROM -- THESE ARE WOMEN AND
FROM -- THESE ARE WOMEN AND
CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN
CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN
TRAVELING FOR WEEKS, THOUSANDS
TRAVELING FOR WEEKS, THOUSANDS
OF MILES.
OF MILES.
SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY IS
SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY IS
STEPPING UP.
STEPPING UP.
CATHOLIC COMMUNITY SERVICES IS
CATHOLIC COMMUNITY SERVICES IS
NOW THE LEAD ORGANIZATION TAKING
NOW THE LEAD ORGANIZATION TAKING
IN THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT AND THEY
IN THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT AND THEY
TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE
TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE
PEOPLE SHOWING UP WITH THEIR
PEOPLE SHOWING UP WITH THEIR
PICKUP TRUCKS FULL OF DONATIONS,
PICKUP TRUCKS FULL OF DONATIONS,
DIAPERS, BABY CLOTHES AND
DIAPERS, BABY CLOTHES AND
HYGIENE ITEMS FOR WOMEN.
HYGIENE ITEMS FOR WOMEN.
SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY HAS
SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY HAS
RESPONDED IN A WAY THAT I THINK
RESPONDED IN A WAY THAT I THINK
MAYBE DIDN'T SURPRISE SOME OF US
MAYBE DIDN'T SURPRISE SOME OF US
BECAUSE TUCSONIANS DO THOSE
BECAUSE TUCSONIANS DO THOSE
THINGS.
THINGS.
>> I MEANT TO ASK YOU, DO WE
>> I MEANT TO ASK YOU, DO WE
KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE IN
KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE IN
THE PROCESS THROUGH THE NOGALES
THE PROCESS THROUGH THE NOGALES
FACILITY.
FACILITY.
>> THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
>> THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY TOLD ME THAT A TOTAL OF
SECURITY TOLD ME THAT A TOTAL OF
5,479 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN
5,479 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN
WENT THROUGH THAT NOGALES
WENT THROUGH THAT NOGALES
FACILITY YOU AND I VISITED.
FACILITY YOU AND I VISITED.
>> AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY, YOU SAY
>> AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY, YOU SAY
ROUGHLY ABOUT 700 OR SO.
ROUGHLY ABOUT 700 OR SO.
>> ROUGHLY 800.
>> ROUGHLY 800.
>> FERNANDA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR
>> FERNANDA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR
YOUR EXCELLENT REPORTING AND
YOUR EXCELLENT REPORTING AND
YOUR ANALYSIS.
YOUR ANALYSIS.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR YOUR
WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR YOUR
REPORTS.
REPORTS.
THAT'S OUR PROGRAM.
THAT'S OUR PROGRAM.
BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK AS
BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK AS
WE DIVE BACK INTO THE UPCOMING
WE DIVE BACK INTO THE UPCOMING
PRIMARY.
PRIMARY.
I'LL BE MONITORING A
I'LL BE MONITORING A
GUBERNATORIAL FORUM.
GUBERNATORIAL FORUM.
FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC
FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC
MEDIA, I'M