>>> FROM ARIZONA TO DELAWARE,
TUCSON JOURNALISTS FOLLOW AN

TUCSON JOURNALISTS FOLLOW AN
UNDOCUMENTED WOMAN AND HER CHILD

UNDOCUMENTED WOMAN AND HER CHILD
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
>>> AND THEN BEING IN

>>> AND THEN BEING IN
WASHINGTON, D.C., IN THE

WASHINGTON, D.C., IN THE
CAPITAL, I REMEMBER YOU

CAPITAL, I REMEMBER YOU
MENTIONED IN SPANISH, BUT I

MENTIONED IN SPANISH, BUT I
PICKED UP ON IT, YOU MENTIONED

PICKED UP ON IT, YOU MENTIONED
THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF

THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF
THE UNITED STATES.

THE UNITED STATES.
I THINK THAT WAS A SURREAL

I THINK THAT WAS A SURREAL
MOMENT.

MOMENT.
>> AND HAS THE INFLUX OF UNA

>> AND HAS THE INFLUX OF UNA
COMPANIED MINORS FROM CENTRAL

COMPANIED MINORS FROM CENTRAL
AMERICA AFFECTED BORDER

AMERICA AFFECTED BORDER
SECURITY?

SECURITY?
ONE ANALYST WEIGHS IN.

ONE ANALYST WEIGHS IN.
>> THAT'S WHERE THE BORDER

>> THAT'S WHERE THE BORDER
SECURITY PROBLEM COMES IN THAT

SECURITY PROBLEM COMES IN THAT
WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE PAD

WE'RE NOT TENDING WITH THE PAD
GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH

GUYS WHILE WE'RE DEALING WITH
THE LEGISLATIVE INABILITY TO

THE LEGISLATIVE INABILITY TO
ACT.

ACT.
>> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK."

>> THIS IS "ARIZONA WEEK."
¶

¶
>>> IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE

>>> IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF

TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
UNDOCUMENTED WOMEN AND CHILDREN

UNDOCUMENTED WOMEN AND CHILDREN
BEGAN MAKING THE TRIP TO THE

BEGAN MAKING THE TRIP TO THE
U.S.

U.S.
LAST WEEK TWO JOURNALISTS FROM

LAST WEEK TWO JOURNALISTS FROM
THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR" MET A

THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR" MET A
GAL MALAN WOMAN AND HER

GAL MALAN WOMAN AND HER
6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.

6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.
THE 22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN AGREED TO

THE 22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN AGREED TO
LET THE REPORTER AND

LET THE REPORTER AND
PHOTOGRAPHER JOIN THEM ON THE

PHOTOGRAPHER JOIN THEM ON THE
LAST LEG OF THE JOURNEY.

LAST LEG OF THE JOURNEY.
HERE'S MIKE CHRISTIE OF "THE

HERE'S MIKE CHRISTIE OF "THE
ARIZONA DAILY STAR".

ARIZONA DAILY STAR".
>> I HAD BEEN THERE PROBABLY

>> I HAD BEEN THERE PROBABLY
AROUND 3:00, AND THERE WERE

AROUND 3:00, AND THERE WERE
SEVEN WOMEN WITH THEIR KIDS.

SEVEN WOMEN WITH THEIR KIDS.
THEY HAD JUST BEEN DROPPED OFF

THEY HAD JUST BEEN DROPPED OFF
BY BORDER PATROL AND I WAS JUST

BY BORDER PATROL AND I WAS JUST
TALKING TO ALL OF THEM AND

TALKING TO ALL OF THEM AND
SOMETHING CLICKED WITH KAREN.

SOMETHING CLICKED WITH KAREN.
SHE SEEMED OUTGOING AND I SAT

SHE SEEMED OUTGOING AND I SAT
DOWN AND STARTED TALKING TO HER

DOWN AND STARTED TALKING TO HER
AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HER

AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT HER
STORY AND ASKED HER IF WE CAN

STORY AND ASKED HER IF WE CAN
COME ALONG.

COME ALONG.
WE ASKED IF THEY STILL HAD BUS

WE ASKED IF THEY STILL HAD BUS
TICKETS THAT TOOK US THE SAME

TICKETS THAT TOOK US THE SAME
ROUTE, AND BOUGHT OUR TICKETS

ROUTE, AND BOUGHT OUR TICKETS
AND GRABBED A BAG AND WE WERE

AND GRABBED A BAG AND WE WERE
READY TO GO.

READY TO GO.
>> AT THAT POINT YOU BROUGHT

>> AT THAT POINT YOU BROUGHT
YOUR PHOTOGRAPHER OVER AND SAID

YOUR PHOTOGRAPHER OVER AND SAID
HEY, MIKE, COME MEET KAREN AND

HEY, MIKE, COME MEET KAREN AND
HE'S COMING ALONG, TOO.

HE'S COMING ALONG, TOO.
>> YEAH, THAT WAS ME.

>> YEAH, THAT WAS ME.
I DIVERTED IT TO HER EFFORT

I DIVERTED IT TO HER EFFORT
HANDLING THE CONVERSATIONS.

HANDLING THE CONVERSATIONS.
I COULD UNDERSTAND AING BIT OF

I COULD UNDERSTAND AING BIT OF
SPANISH AND I SHOWED UP TO THE

SPANISH AND I SHOWED UP TO THE
BUS STATION PROBABLE ADMIDDAY AT

BUS STATION PROBABLE ADMIDDAY AT
3:00 OR 4:00 AND PEARLA HAD BEEN

3:00 OR 4:00 AND PEARLA HAD BEEN
THERE FOR HOURS AND SHE WAS

THERE FOR HOURS AND SHE WAS
SITTING WITH KAREN AND I SAT ON

SITTING WITH KAREN AND I SAT ON
A BENCH IN FRONT OF THEM AND

A BENCH IN FRONT OF THEM AND
JUST KIND OF LISTENED TO THE

JUST KIND OF LISTENED TO THE
CONVERSATION.

CONVERSATION.
IT WAS ALL IN SPANISH, AND I

IT WAS ALL IN SPANISH, AND I
THINK WE WERE ON FOR 10 OR 15

THINK WE WERE ON FOR 10 OR 15
MINUTES AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE

MINUTES AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE
LOOKING AT PERL ALIKE, ARE WE

LOOKING AT PERL ALIKE, ARE WE
GOOD TO GO, AND THIS IS GOING

GOOD TO GO, AND THIS IS GOING
FALL THROUGH AND WE'RE NOT GOING

FALL THROUGH AND WE'RE NOT GOING
TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL BE

TO FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL BE
OPEN TO US GOING ALONG WITH THEM

OPEN TO US GOING ALONG WITH THEM
AND SO FINALLY, PERLA TURNS TO

AND SO FINALLY, PERLA TURNS TO
ME AND SAID THEY'RE OKAY WITH US

ME AND SAID THEY'RE OKAY WITH US
GOING WITH THEM.

GOING WITH THEM.
>> I SAID OKAY, WHERE ARE THEY

>> I SAID OKAY, WHERE ARE THEY
GOING?

GOING?
SHE SAID DELAWARE.

SHE SAID DELAWARE.
I SAID THAT'S ON THE EAST COAST

I SAID THAT'S ON THE EAST COAST
AND FROM THERE, WE WENT AND

AND FROM THERE, WE WENT AND
FOUND TWO TICKETS THE SAME AND

FOUND TWO TICKETS THE SAME AND
OFF WE WENT.

OFF WE WENT.
>> AND THE BUS MADE STOPS EVERY

>> AND THE BUS MADE STOPS EVERY
FOUR HOURS AND HOW MANY STATES

FOUR HOURS AND HOW MANY STATES
DID YOU CROSS THROUGH?

DID YOU CROSS THROUGH?
>> 12.

>> 12.
>> 12 OF THEM.

>> 12 OF THEM.
>> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING IN A

>> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING IN A
BUS?

BUS?
NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAD EVER

NEITHER ONE OF YOU HAD EVER
RIDDEN A BUS FOR THAT LONG OF A

RIDDEN A BUS FOR THAT LONG OF A
TIME PERIOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE

TIME PERIOD AND THAT HAD TO HAVE
BEEN A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR

BEEN A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE FOR
YOU.

YOU.
>> THERE WERE SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL

>> THERE WERE SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL
HIGHS AND LOWS.

HIGHS AND LOWS.
I THINK YOU'RE ON A LITTLE BIT

I THINK YOU'RE ON A LITTLE BIT
OF AN ADRENALINE HIGH AS SOON AS

OF AN ADRENALINE HIGH AS SOON AS
YOU LEAVE LIKE, HOLY COW, WE'RE

YOU LEAVE LIKE, HOLY COW, WE'RE
REALLY DOING THIS.

REALLY DOING THIS.
WE LEFT LATE AT NIGHT AND WHEN

WE LEFT LATE AT NIGHT AND WHEN
WE GOT INTO EL PASO IT WAS 1:30

WE GOT INTO EL PASO IT WAS 1:30
ORE 2:00 AND WE GOT IN THERE AND

ORE 2:00 AND WE GOT IN THERE AND
I LOOKED AT A MAP AND FELT HOW

I LOOKED AT A MAP AND FELT HOW
LONG WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING WHICH

LONG WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING WHICH
SEEMED LIKE A LONG TIME AND

SEEMED LIKE A LONG TIME AND
FOUND HOW SCANT A DISTANCE WE

FOUND HOW SCANT A DISTANCE WE
HAD ACTUALLY TRAVELED FROM

HAD ACTUALLY TRAVELED FROM
TUCSON AND THE REMAINDER OF IT

TUCSON AND THE REMAINDER OF IT
AND THAT'S WHEN IT SETTLED IN

AND THAT'S WHEN IT SETTLED IN
AND YOU KIND OF TRY TO PREPARE

AND YOU KIND OF TRY TO PREPARE
YOURSELF PSYCHOLOGICALLY WHILE

YOURSELF PSYCHOLOGICALLY WHILE
ALSO KNOWING WE HAVE A JOB TO DO

ALSO KNOWING WE HAVE A JOB TO DO
AND A STORY TO TELL.

AND A STORY TO TELL.
>> WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, PERLA,

>> WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, PERLA,
ASKING QUESTIONS AND MOM KAREN

ASKING QUESTIONS AND MOM KAREN
IS DAUGHTER AND HER DAUGHTER

IS DAUGHTER AND HER DAUGHTER
LISSETTE IS 6 AND SHE WAS

LISSETTE IS 6 AND SHE WAS
EXHAUSTED HERSELF.

EXHAUSTED HERSELF.
DID YOU HAVE MUCH OPPORTUNITY

DID YOU HAVE MUCH OPPORTUNITY
FOR THE Q AND A.

FOR THE Q AND A.
>> I WAITED.

>> I WAITED.
ANOTHER LADY WAS ALSO TRAVELING.

ANOTHER LADY WAS ALSO TRAVELING.
SHE GOT OFF IN MISSISSIPPI.

SHE GOT OFF IN MISSISSIPPI.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THE

AND I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK THE
PERSONAL QUESTIONS WITH THE

PERSONAL QUESTIONS WITH THE
OTHER PEOPLE AROUND AND I WAITED

OTHER PEOPLE AROUND AND I WAITED
AFTER MISSISSIPPI AND I WAITED

AFTER MISSISSIPPI AND I WAITED
UNTIL DAY THREE AND BY THAT

UNTIL DAY THREE AND BY THAT
POINT I WAS FEELING ANXIOUS AND

POINT I WAS FEELING ANXIOUS AND
YOU'RE SPENDING ALL OF THIS TIME

YOU'RE SPENDING ALL OF THIS TIME
AND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED TO

AND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED TO
THEM AND SO BASICALLY BEFORE

THEM AND SO BASICALLY BEFORE
THAT IT WAS JUST WHEN WE GOT OFF

THAT IT WAS JUST WHEN WE GOT OFF
WE WOULD JUST HAVE A NORMAL

WE WOULD JUST HAVE A NORMAL
CONVERSATION AND FROM THERE I

CONVERSATION AND FROM THERE I
WOULD GET BACK TO THE BUS AND

WOULD GET BACK TO THE BUS AND
START TAKING NOTES FROM WHAT WE

START TAKING NOTES FROM WHAT WE
HAD TALKED ABOUT AND MY FIRST

HAD TALKED ABOUT AND MY FIRST
SITDOWN, Q AND A WAS IN DALLAS

SITDOWN, Q AND A WAS IN DALLAS
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS THE THIRD DAY THAT WE

IT WAS THE THIRD DAY THAT WE
WERE THERE AND I KNEW I HAD TO

WERE THERE AND I KNEW I HAD TO
GET IT DONE BEFORE WE GOT TO

GET IT DONE BEFORE WE GOT TO
DELAWARE BECAUSE THEN THERE

DELAWARE BECAUSE THEN THERE
WOULD BE OTHER THINGS GOING.

WOULD BE OTHER THINGS GOING.
>> MIKE, THERE HAD TOO TO HAVE

>> MIKE, THERE HAD TOO TO HAVE
BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR YOU AS A

BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR YOU AS A
PHOTOGRAPHER WITH A PRETTY GOOD

PHOTOGRAPHER WITH A PRETTY GOOD
SIZED CAMERA, KIND OF RESPECTING

SIZED CAMERA, KIND OF RESPECTING
THEIR PRIVACY.

THEIR PRIVACY.
>> UH-HUH.

>> UH-HUH.
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THING, I

YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THING, I
SPOKE A LITTLE BIT WITH MY

SPOKE A LITTLE BIT WITH MY
EDITOR ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO

EDITOR ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO
ATTACK IT.

ATTACK IT.
ON ANY OTHER GENERAL DAILY

ON ANY OTHER GENERAL DAILY
ASSIGNMENT I ATTACK THINGS

ASSIGNMENT I ATTACK THINGS
FAIRLY AGGRESSIVELY AND I CAN

FAIRLY AGGRESSIVELY AND I CAN
PUT IT ON A HIGH BURST RATE AND

PUT IT ON A HIGH BURST RATE AND
FIRE OFF FRAMES LIKE IT'S A

FIRE OFF FRAMES LIKE IT'S A
MACHINE GUN.

MACHINE GUN.
WITH THIS, THE ATTACK WAS ALMOST

WITH THIS, THE ATTACK WAS ALMOST
MORE OF AN OLD SCHOOL APPROACH.

MORE OF AN OLD SCHOOL APPROACH.
I TOOK ONE CAMERA BODY AND A

I TOOK ONE CAMERA BODY AND A
WIDE-ANGLE LENS AND A MID-RANGE

WIDE-ANGLE LENS AND A MID-RANGE
LENS AND NOTHING THAT WAS BIGGER

LENS AND NOTHING THAT WAS BIGGER
THAN, SAY, OUT TO HERE.

THAN, SAY, OUT TO HERE.
SO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS A

SO, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS A
LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.

LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT,

WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT,
YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING WITH

YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING WITH
THAT AND I TRIED TO FURTHER THAT

THAT AND I TRIED TO FURTHER THAT
ALONG AND I COULD KEEP THE

ALONG AND I COULD KEEP THE
CONVERSATIONS GOING WITH IT.

CONVERSATIONS GOING WITH IT.
AND THE CHALLENGE MORE SO LAY

AND THE CHALLENGE MORE SO LAY
WITH THE OTHER PASSENGERS ON THE

WITH THE OTHER PASSENGERS ON THE
BUS.

BUS.
I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION

I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION
TO MYSELF BECAUSE AN EXPENSIVE

TO MYSELF BECAUSE AN EXPENSIVE
CAMERA BODY KIND OF STICKS OUT.

CAMERA BODY KIND OF STICKS OUT.
SO I KIND OF HAD TO METER MY

SO I KIND OF HAD TO METER MY
SHOTS.

SHOTS.
I COULDN'T FIRE OFF SIX, SEVEN

I COULDN'T FIRE OFF SIX, SEVEN
FRAMES A SECOND.

FRAMES A SECOND.
I PUT IT ON -- MY CAMERA ON A

I PUT IT ON -- MY CAMERA ON A
SLOWER SAFETY MODE, A LITTLE BIT

SLOWER SAFETY MODE, A LITTLE BIT
SILENT AND SO I COULD FIRE OFF

SILENT AND SO I COULD FIRE OFF
ONE FRAME AT A TIME AND TWO

ONE FRAME AT A TIME AND TWO
FRAMES AT A TIME AND LOOK AT IT

FRAMES AT A TIME AND LOOK AT IT
AND ADJUF THE FOCUS AND I DIDN'T

AND ADJUF THE FOCUS AND I DIDN'T
WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF

WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO MYSELF
AND RESPECT A LITTLE BIT OF

AND RESPECT A LITTLE BIT OF
THEIR PRIVACY, BUT THEY LET US

THEIR PRIVACY, BUT THEY LET US
IN ON THESE MOMENTS AND I DIDN'T

IN ON THESE MOMENTS AND I DIDN'T
WANT TO LET THEM SLIP AWAY.

WANT TO LET THEM SLIP AWAY.
>> EMOTIONALLY, THERE HAD TO

>> EMOTIONALLY, THERE HAD TO
HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY TOUGH

HAVE BEEN SOME REALLY TOUGH
TIMES WHEN MOM IS WORRIED ABOUT

TIMES WHEN MOM IS WORRIED ABOUT
THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILD AND

THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILD AND
WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL MAKE IT

WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL MAKE IT
ALL OF THE WAY TO DELAWARE AND

ALL OF THE WAY TO DELAWARE AND
HOW DID YOU FILTER THROUGH THE

HOW DID YOU FILTER THROUGH THE
PROCESS OF RESPECTING THEIR TIME

PROCESS OF RESPECTING THEIR TIME
AND THEIR EMOTION DURING THIS

AND THEIR EMOTION DURING THIS
PROBABLY PRETTY TERRIFYING

PROBABLY PRETTY TERRIFYING
EXPERIENCE?

EXPERIENCE?
>> I THINK THE HARDEST PART FOR

>> I THINK THE HARDEST PART FOR
THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO

THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO
MEXICO.

MEXICO.
I THINK HAVING THE VOLUNTEERS AT

I THINK HAVING THE VOLUNTEERS AT
THE GREYHOUND STATION MADE A

THE GREYHOUND STATION MADE A
HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM BECAUSE

HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM BECAUSE
THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO

THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO
NAVIGATE THIS ON THEIR OWN AND

NAVIGATE THIS ON THEIR OWN AND
THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE, YOU

THERE WERE PEOPLE THERE, YOU
KNOW, WITH A SMILE AND GIVING

KNOW, WITH A SMILE AND GIVING
THEM HUGS AND WALKING THEM

THEM HUGS AND WALKING THEM
THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO I THINK -- AND ALSO BECAUSE

SO I THINK -- AND ALSO BECAUSE
WE WERE IN THE BUS WITH THEM

WE WERE IN THE BUS WITH THEM
THEY NEVER REALLY FELT THEY WERE

THEY NEVER REALLY FELT THEY WERE
GOING TO GET LOST.

GOING TO GET LOST.
I THINK WE ALL AT SOME POINT

I THINK WE ALL AT SOME POINT
THOUGHT WE WOULD GET LOST OR THE

THOUGHT WE WOULD GET LOST OR THE
BUS WAS LEAVING WITHOUT US, BUT

BUS WAS LEAVING WITHOUT US, BUT
I THINK FACT THAT WE WERE THERE

I THINK FACT THAT WE WERE THERE
WAS REASSURING AND UNFRNLY, I

WAS REASSURING AND UNFRNLY, I
THINK THE MOST DIFFICULT PART

THINK THE MOST DIFFICULT PART
FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO

FOR THEM WAS FROM GUATEMALA TO
MEXICO AND WE WERE NOT THERE TO

MEXICO AND WE WERE NOT THERE TO
SEE THAT.

SEE THAT.
WE JUST HAD TO ASK QUESTIONS TO

WE JUST HAD TO ASK QUESTIONS TO
NARRATE THAT PART OF THE STORY

NARRATE THAT PART OF THE STORY
THROUGH THEIR VOICE, BUT I THINK

THROUGH THEIR VOICE, BUT I THINK
THE HARDEST PART FROM THE --

THE HARDEST PART FROM THE --
FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE WAS JUST

FROM TUCSON TO DELAWARE WAS JUST
MISSING HER FAMILY AND WE DID

MISSING HER FAMILY AND WE DID
SEE ON WEDNESDAY IT HAD BEEN A

SEE ON WEDNESDAY IT HAD BEEN A
WOKE SINCE SHE'D LEFT AND SHE

WOKE SINCE SHE'D LEFT AND SHE
WAS PONDERING AND I ASKED HER

WAS PONDERING AND I ASKED HER
LATER ON WHAT WERE YOU THINKING

LATER ON WHAT WERE YOU THINKING
WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING OUT THE

WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING OUT THE
WINDOW.

WINDOW.
SHE SAID TODAY IS A WEEK I LEFT

SHE SAID TODAY IS A WEEK I LEFT
MY HOME AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN

MY HOME AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN
I'LL SEE MY PARENTS AGAIN.

I'LL SEE MY PARENTS AGAIN.
I THINK IT WAS MORE OF AN

I THINK IT WAS MORE OF AN
EMOTIONAL MORE THAN A SCARY

EMOTIONAL MORE THAN A SCARY
FEELING FOR THEM AT THAT POINT.

FEELING FOR THEM AT THAT POINT.
>> MIKE, CAPTURING THAT EMOTION,

>> MIKE, CAPTURING THAT EMOTION,
YOU DID VERY WELL IN THE PHOTOS

YOU DID VERY WELL IN THE PHOTOS
THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE.

THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE.
THAT WAS A TRACK TRICKY PART FO

THAT WAS A TRACK TRICKY PART FO
BECAUSE WE HAVE A 6-YEAR-OLD

BECAUSE WE HAVE A 6-YEAR-OLD
GIRL WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER

GIRL WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HER
FUTURE HOLDS AND A MOM EMBARKING

FUTURE HOLDS AND A MOM EMBARKING
ON THIS JOURNEY.

ON THIS JOURNEY.
>> SHE WAS VERY OUTGOING AND SHE

>> SHE WAS VERY OUTGOING AND SHE
SLEPT A LOT, BUT THE TIME SHE

SLEPT A LOT, BUT THE TIME SHE
WAS AWAKE SHE WAS FURIOUSLY

WAS AWAKE SHE WAS FURIOUSLY
COLORING IN A KOHL ORG BOOK OR

COLORING IN A KOHL ORG BOOK OR
FEEDING CHEETOS TO A STUFFED

FEEDING CHEETOS TO A STUFFED
PENGUIN.

PENGUIN.
SHE WAS RECEPTIVE AND YOUNGER

SHE WAS RECEPTIVE AND YOUNGER
KIDS ARE ENAMORED WITH THE

KIDS ARE ENAMORED WITH THE
CAMERA AND SOMEONE PAYING

CAMERA AND SOMEONE PAYING
ATTENTION TO THEM AND I THINK

ATTENTION TO THEM AND I THINK
AFTER A WHILE SHE KIND OF

AFTER A WHILE SHE KIND OF
LEARNED THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO

LEARNED THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO
LOOK AT ME.

LOOK AT ME.
SHE CAN IGNORE ME AND DO HER OWN

SHE CAN IGNORE ME AND DO HER OWN
THING WHICH IS WHAT I NEED AND

THING WHICH IS WHAT I NEED AND
THE MOMENTS BETWEEN HER MOM

THE MOMENTS BETWEEN HER MOM
AUFSH TIMES, THEY WERE ASLEEP

AUFSH TIMES, THEY WERE ASLEEP
AND GROGGY AND YOU CAN CAN SEE

AND GROGGY AND YOU CAN CAN SEE
SOME TYPE OF EMOTION IN THEM AND

SOME TYPE OF EMOTION IN THEM AND
I THINK THE LEAD PHOTOGRAPH FROM

I THINK THE LEAD PHOTOGRAPH FROM
THIS ASSIGNMENT WAS A PICTURE IN

THIS ASSIGNMENT WAS A PICTURE IN
THE EARLY MORNING LIGHT AND SHE

THE EARLY MORNING LIGHT AND SHE
WAS KIND OF LAYING ASLEEP AND

WAS KIND OF LAYING ASLEEP AND
KAREN WAS KIND OF LEANING OVER

KAREN WAS KIND OF LEANING OVER
HER AND LOOKING AT HER IN AND

HER AND LOOKING AT HER IN AND
OUT WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH THE

OUT WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH THE
WHOLE TRIP FOR THEM AND IT WAS

WHOLE TRIP FOR THEM AND IT WAS
JUST KIND OF THIS MOMENT THAT

JUST KIND OF THIS MOMENT THAT
WAS SHARED BETWEEN THEM AND

WAS SHARED BETWEEN THEM AND
EMBODIED THEIR TRIP FROM TUCSON

EMBODIED THEIR TRIP FROM TUCSON
TO DELAWARE.

TO DELAWARE.
>> IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING HOW

>> IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING HOW
QUICKLY THEY LEARNED TO IGNORE

QUICKLY THEY LEARNED TO IGNORE
MIKE.

MIKE.
THEY STOPPED PAYING COMPLETE

THEY STOPPED PAYING COMPLETE
ATTENTION TO THEM LIKE HAVING A

ATTENTION TO THEM LIKE HAVING A
PHOTOGRAPH OR CAMERA SHOOTING

PHOTOGRAPH OR CAMERA SHOOTING
PHOTOS AND THAT IS OFTEN

PHOTOS AND THAT IS OFTEN
DIFFICULT TO HAVE PEOPLE STARING

DIFFICULT TO HAVE PEOPLE STARING
INTO THE CAMERA.

INTO THE CAMERA.
THEY GET OVER THAT PRETTY

THEY GET OVER THAT PRETTY
QUICKLY.

QUICKLY.
>> SO THEN YOU GET CLOSER TO

>> SO THEN YOU GET CLOSER TO
DELAWARE, THE EMOTIONS START TO

DELAWARE, THE EMOTIONS START TO
FEEL DIFFERENT.

FEEL DIFFERENT.
KAREN AND LIZETTE, ARE THEY

KAREN AND LIZETTE, ARE THEY
EXCITED ALL OF A SUDDEN?

EXCITED ALL OF A SUDDEN?
>> LIZETTE WAS MOSTLY TIRED.

>> LIZETTE WAS MOSTLY TIRED.
I THINK THE MORNING BEFORE WE

I THINK THE MORNING BEFORE WE
GOT TO DELAWARE, SHE SAID I

GOT TO DELAWARE, SHE SAID I
DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL ANYMORE.

DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL ANYMORE.
SHE WAS DONE.

SHE WAS DONE.
SHE WAS EXHAUSTED AND SHE JUST

SHE WAS EXHAUSTED AND SHE JUST
UPONED TO BE OVER WITH IT, AND I

UPONED TO BE OVER WITH IT, AND I
THINK, KAREN, A LITTLE BIT OF

THINK, KAREN, A LITTLE BIT OF
THE SAME THING.

THE SAME THING.
I THINK IT WAS MORE EXHAUSTION

I THINK IT WAS MORE EXHAUSTION
THAN EXCITEMENT UNTIL WE GOT TO

THAN EXCITEMENT UNTIL WE GOT TO
THE BUS STATION OR TO THE BUS

THE BUS STATION OR TO THE BUS
STOP AND SHE SAW THE BROTHER GET

STOP AND SHE SAW THE BROTHER GET
OUT, AND YOU REALLY SAW THE

OUT, AND YOU REALLY SAW THE
EMOTION AND YOU THINK ABOUT A

EMOTION AND YOU THINK ABOUT A
YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU THINK A

YEAR AND A HALF AND YOU THINK A
YEAR AND A HALF, NOT THAT LONG

YEAR AND A HALF, NOT THAT LONG
OR FOR SOME FAMILIES IT'S A LOT

OR FOR SOME FAMILIES IT'S A LOT
LONGER, BUT SEEING THE EMOTION

LONGER, BUT SEEING THE EMOTION
BETWEEN THE TWO SIBLINGS AND

BETWEEN THE TWO SIBLINGS AND
BETWEEN THE BROTHER AND LIZETTE,

BETWEEN THE BROTHER AND LIZETTE,
YOU WOULD HAVE THINK THEY HADN'T

YOU WOULD HAVE THINK THEY HADN'T
SEEN EACH OTHER IN A MUCH, MUCH

SEEN EACH OTHER IN A MUCH, MUCH
LONGER TIME.

LONGER TIME.
THEY WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO

THEY WERE VERY, VERY EXCITED TO
BE ABLE TO ON HUG EACH OTHER

BE ABLE TO ON HUG EACH OTHER
AGAIN.

AGAIN.
AND ALSO CAPTURING IT, AND THE

AND ALSO CAPTURING IT, AND THE
TRICKY PART IS AT THE END AS WE

TRICKY PART IS AT THE END AS WE
WERE BANKING ON HER BROTHER AND

WERE BANKING ON HER BROTHER AND
THE FAMILY BEING RECEPTIVE FOR

THE FAMILY BEING RECEPTIVE FOR
HAVING US ALONG TO GET MORE OF

HAVING US ALONG TO GET MORE OF
THEIR STORY.

THEIR STORY.
THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO

THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO
WHEN HE HOPPED OFF THE MINIVAN

WHEN HE HOPPED OFF THE MINIVAN
AND AFTER A YEAR AND A HALF WAS

AND AFTER A YEAR AND A HALF WAS
TO BE IN HIS FACE WITH THE

TO BE IN HIS FACE WITH THE
CAMERA FIRING OFF FRAMES AND

CAMERA FIRING OFF FRAMES AND
WHILE I MAY HAVE SACRIFICED

WHILE I MAY HAVE SACRIFICED
MISSING AN INITIAL MOMENT I WAS

MISSING AN INITIAL MOMENT I WAS
ABLE TO GET THE MOMENT WITH HIM

ABLE TO GET THE MOMENT WITH HIM
AND KAREN WHEN THEY WERE HUGGING

AND KAREN WHEN THEY WERE HUGGING
AND SHE WAS QUITE EMOTIONAL AND

AND SHE WAS QUITE EMOTIONAL AND
BY GIVING THAT LITTLE RESPECT

BY GIVING THAT LITTLE RESPECT
AND BARRIER TO THEM MADE THEM

AND BARRIER TO THEM MADE THEM
FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US

FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH US
BECAUSE UP UNTIL THAT POINT IT

BECAUSE UP UNTIL THAT POINT IT
WAS UP IN THE AIR.

WAS UP IN THE AIR.
AS THEY WERE SAYING YEAH, COME

AS THEY WERE SAYING YEAH, COME
ON ALONG WITH US OR YOU'VE COME

ON ALONG WITH US OR YOU'VE COME
TOO FAR.

TOO FAR.
>> WHAT ABOUT THOSE MOMENTS OF

>> WHAT ABOUT THOSE MOMENTS OF
BEING INSIDE A STORE, WATCHING

BEING INSIDE A STORE, WATCHING
LITTLE LIZETTE EAT A POPSICLE

LITTLE LIZETTE EAT A POPSICLE
AND CHINESE TAKEOUT FOOD AND

AND CHINESE TAKEOUT FOOD AND
THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN UNUSUAL

THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN UNUSUAL
EXPERIENCE AND NOW YOU'RE

EXPERIENCE AND NOW YOU'RE
PHOTOGRAPHING THE THINGS SOME OF

PHOTOGRAPHING THE THINGS SOME OF
US TAKE FOR GRANTED.

US TAKE FOR GRANTED.
>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.
YOU KNOW, MY APPROACH KIND OF

YOU KNOW, MY APPROACH KIND OF
GOING INTO IT WAS PUTTING THEM

GOING INTO IT WAS PUTTING THEM
IN THE CONTEXT.

IN THE CONTEXT.
ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE

ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT WERE
RUN WAS A PICTURE LATE AT NIGHT

RUN WAS A PICTURE LATE AT NIGHT
AND THERE IS A KFC LOGO GOING BY

AND THERE IS A KFC LOGO GOING BY
AND TO THAT POINT I KEPT TRYING

AND TO THAT POINT I KEPT TRYING
TO MAKE A MOMENT TO FRAME THINGS

TO MAKE A MOMENT TO FRAME THINGS
AND WE WENT TO BARSTOW, TEXAS

AND WE WENT TO BARSTOW, TEXAS
AND THERE WAS A WATER TOWER THAT

AND THERE WAS A WATER TOWER THAT
WAS JUST EMPTY DESERT AND TEXAS

WAS JUST EMPTY DESERT AND TEXAS
LAND.

LAND.
SO WELL IS A PICTURE OF KAREN

SO WELL IS A PICTURE OF KAREN
STARING OUT THE WINDOW WHILE YOU

STARING OUT THE WINDOW WHILE YOU
HAVE THIS AMERICANA FLYING BY IN

HAVE THIS AMERICANA FLYING BY IN
THE WINDSHIELD AND WALMART.

THE WINDSHIELD AND WALMART.
WALMART IS A QUINT ESSENTIAL

WALMART IS A QUINT ESSENTIAL
KIND OF AMERICA AND IT'S COMMON

KIND OF AMERICA AND IT'S COMMON
TO US AND NOT SO MUCH TO THEM.

TO US AND NOT SO MUCH TO THEM.
I FIGURED A PICTURE OR TWO IN

I FIGURED A PICTURE OR TWO IN
THERE WHILE TRYING TO STAY LOW

THERE WHILE TRYING TO STAY LOW
AND NOT DRAWING ATTENTION TO

AND NOT DRAWING ATTENTION TO
MYSELF WAS QUINT ESSENTIAL TO

MYSELF WAS QUINT ESSENTIAL TO
THAT AS WELL.

THAT AS WELL.
>> AFTER DAYS, YOU SAID WE'RE

>> AFTER DAYS, YOU SAID WE'RE
HERE AND NOW WE'LL WATCH.

HERE AND NOW WE'LL WATCH.
YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT THE

YOU GOT THE SENSE THAT THE
FAMILY JUST WANTED TO BE A

FAMILY JUST WANTED TO BE A
FAMILY AGAIN.

FAMILY AGAIN.
>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.
IT JUST HAPPENS SO THAT THE

IT JUST HAPPENS SO THAT THE
FIRST DAY THAT -- AS SOON AS WE

FIRST DAY THAT -- AS SOON AS WE
GOT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE

GOT THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE
HAVING DINNER TOGETHER AND

HAVING DINNER TOGETHER AND
TAKING BATHS AND IT WAS REALLY

TAKING BATHS AND IT WAS REALLY
CUTE THAT LIZETTE RIGHT AWAY

CUTE THAT LIZETTE RIGHT AWAY
WANTED TO WEAR THE NEW CLOTHES

WANTED TO WEAR THE NEW CLOTHES
THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FOR HER AT

THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN FOR HER AT
WALMART, AND THEY WANTED TIME --

WALMART, AND THEY WANTED TIME --
YOU COULD TELL THEY WANTED TIME

YOU COULD TELL THEY WANTED TIME
FOR THEMSELVES AND IT'S NOT THE

FOR THEMSELVES AND IT'S NOT THE
SAME THING TO HAVE A REUNION

SAME THING TO HAVE A REUNION
WITH TWO JOURNALISTS IN YOUR

WITH TWO JOURNALISTS IN YOUR
FACE AND SO WE -- EVEN THOUGH

FACE AND SO WE -- EVEN THOUGH
THEY HAD BEEN VERY OPEN AND

THEY HAD BEEN VERY OPEN AND
RECEPTIVE TO US, YOU KIND OF GOT

RECEPTIVE TO US, YOU KIND OF GOT
THE FEELING THAT THEY WANTED THE

THE FEELING THAT THEY WANTED THE
DOWN TIME TO TALK ABOUT THEIR

DOWN TIME TO TALK ABOUT THEIR
FAMILY BACK IN GUATEMALA AND

FAMILY BACK IN GUATEMALA AND
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THEIR

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT THEIR
FEELINGS, ABOUT THEIR FUTURE SO

FEELINGS, ABOUT THEIR FUTURE SO
WE LEFT THEM THAT THURSDAY

WE LEFT THEM THAT THURSDAY
EVENING.

EVENING.
>> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING BORDER

>> YOU'VE BEEN COVERING BORDER
ISSUES FOR A REALLY LONG TIME

ISSUES FOR A REALLY LONG TIME
NOW.

NOW.
WHERE DOES THIS FARE IN YOUR

WHERE DOES THIS FARE IN YOUR
EXPERIENCES?

EXPERIENCES?
>> I THINK THIS IS THE DEEPEST,

>> I THINK THIS IS THE DEEPEST,
MORE IN-DEPTH STORY THAT I TOLD

MORE IN-DEPTH STORY THAT I TOLD
JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME I HAD

JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIME I HAD
SPENT WITH HER.

SPENT WITH HER.
I HAD DONE OTHER TRAVELING

I HAD DONE OTHER TRAVELING
PROJECTS, BUT YOU KIND OF OF GO

PROJECTS, BUT YOU KIND OF OF GO
IN AND OUT AND DON'T SPEND THE

IN AND OUT AND DON'T SPEND THE
NIGHT WITH THE FAMILY AND HERE

NIGHT WITH THE FAMILY AND HERE
YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW,

YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW,
GOING TO THE BATHROOM WITH THEM

GOING TO THE BATHROOM WITH THEM
AND SEE HER BRUSHING HER TEETH

AND SEE HER BRUSHING HER TEETH
AND THINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF

AND THINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF
WHERE WE WERE I GOT TO SEE A LOT

WHERE WE WERE I GOT TO SEE A LOT
MORE AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WITH

MORE AND THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WITH
THE STORY WAS TO SHOW THE

THE STORY WAS TO SHOW THE
COMPLEXITIES OF IMMIGRATION.

COMPLEXITIES OF IMMIGRATION.
THIS IT'S NOT ONE SINGLE REASON

THIS IT'S NOT ONE SINGLE REASON
WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND IN

WHY PEOPLE ARE COMING AND IN
ORDER TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, IT'S

ORDER TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, IT'S
GOING TO -- IT HAS TO BE

GOING TO -- IT HAS TO BE
APPROACHED FROM DIFFERENT WAYS

APPROACHED FROM DIFFERENT WAYS
AND THAT DOING THINGS HERE IN

AND THAT DOING THINGS HERE IN
THE U.S. WILL NOT SOLVE THE

THE U.S. WILL NOT SOLVE THE
PROBLEM ON ITS OWN.

PROBLEM ON ITS OWN.
WITH THIS FAMILY, THE FATHER

WITH THIS FAMILY, THE FATHER
CAME IN THE LATE '90s AND SENT

CAME IN THE LATE '90s AND SENT
MONEY BACK WHICH GAVE THEM A

MONEY BACK WHICH GAVE THEM A
BETTER EDUCATION, BUT THAT STILL

BETTER EDUCATION, BUT THAT STILL
WASN'T ENOUGH AND THE BROTHER

WASN'T ENOUGH AND THE BROTHER
LEFT AND NOW SHE LEFT AND IT

LEFT AND NOW SHE LEFT AND IT
ALSO MADE ME THINK OF THE CYCLE

ALSO MADE ME THINK OF THE CYCLE
OF IMMIGRATION AND INSTEAD OF

OF IMMIGRATION AND INSTEAD OF
LIZETTE BEING LEFT BEHIND AND

LIZETTE BEING LEFT BEHIND AND
EVENTUALLY COMING, SHE'S COMING

EVENTUALLY COMING, SHE'S COMING
ALREADY WITH THE MOM, AND I

ALREADY WITH THE MOM, AND I
WONDER WHAT THAT'S GOING TO PLAY

WONDER WHAT THAT'S GOING TO PLAY
IN THE FUTURE IMMIGRATION TRENDS

IN THE FUTURE IMMIGRATION TRENDS
WITH ALL OF THESE WOMEN AND

WITH ALL OF THESE WOMEN AND
CHILDREN TRAVELING.

CHILDREN TRAVELING.
SO THAT WAS THE MAIN THING FOR

SO THAT WAS THE MAIN THING FOR
ME, JUST SHOWING THE

ME, JUST SHOWING THE
COMPLEXITIES OF WHY PEOPLE

COMPLEXITIES OF WHY PEOPLE
DECIDE TO LEAVE, AND I UPONED TO

DECIDE TO LEAVE, AND I UPONED TO
KNOW.

KNOW.
I WANTED TO KNOW THAT, AS WELL.

I WANTED TO KNOW THAT, AS WELL.
>> WAS THERE A FINE LINE THAT

>> WAS THERE A FINE LINE THAT
YOU HAD TO WALK AS JOURNALISTS

YOU HAD TO WALK AS JOURNALISTS
AND SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE A

AND SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS TO BE A
FELLOW PASSENGER ON THIS BUS?

FELLOW PASSENGER ON THIS BUS?
DID EITHER ONE OF YOU FEEL THAT

DID EITHER ONE OF YOU FEEL THAT
WAY AT ANY POINT?

WAY AT ANY POINT?
>> FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD HAVE

>> FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD HAVE
LOVED TO CAPTURE THEM REALLY

LOVED TO CAPTURE THEM REALLY
BEING -- GETTING LOST WITH THE

BEING -- GETTING LOST WITH THE
BUS SYSTEM AND MIKE HAVING

BUS SYSTEM AND MIKE HAVING
CAPTURED THAT IN PHOTOS, BUT AT

CAPTURED THAT IN PHOTOS, BUT AT
THE SAM TIME YOU'RE A HUMAN

THE SAM TIME YOU'RE A HUMAN
BEING AND YOU CANNOT GO TO

BEING AND YOU CANNOT GO TO
SOMEONE AND WHEN THEY ASK YOU,

SOMEONE AND WHEN THEY ASK YOU,
DO WE GET OFF YOU, YOU TELL ME,

DO WE GET OFF YOU, YOU TELL ME,
AND I'M THE JOURNALIST AND ONLY

AND I'M THE JOURNALIST AND ONLY
WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE

WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE
CAPTURED.

CAPTURED.
AS A JOURNALIST I WOULD HAVE

AS A JOURNALIST I WOULD HAVE
LOVED TO HAVE BEEN FLY ON THE

LOVED TO HAVE BEEN FLY ON THE
WALL, WHERE IF THEY MISSED THE

WALL, WHERE IF THEY MISSED THE
WALL OR GOT ON THE WRONG ONE, AT

WALL OR GOT ON THE WRONG ONE, AT
THE SAME TIME I CANNOT PRETEND

THE SAME TIME I CANNOT PRETEND
I'M GETTING OFF THIS BUS.

I'M GETTING OFF THIS BUS.
THAT WAS A TOUGH -- YOU DID NOT

THAT WAS A TOUGH -- YOU DID NOT
WANT TO ACTUALLY LEAD THEM, BUT

WANT TO ACTUALLY LEAD THEM, BUT
AT THE SAME TIME YOU DIDN'T WANT

AT THE SAME TIME YOU DIDN'T WANT
TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT

TO PRETEND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
WAS HAPPENING JUST SO YOU COULD

WAS HAPPENING JUST SO YOU COULD
HAVE THE PARAGRAPH ON YOUR

HAVE THE PARAGRAPH ON YOUR
STORY.

STORY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FELT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FELT.
>> I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY FOUND

>> I THINK I ACCIDENTALLY FOUND
MYSELF SLIPPING INTO PASSENGER

MYSELF SLIPPING INTO PASSENGER
MODE AS WE GOT FURTHER ON IN THE

MODE AS WE GOT FURTHER ON IN THE
DEEP SOUTH, IN MISSISSIPPI AND

DEEP SOUTH, IN MISSISSIPPI AND
ALABAMA TRYING TO FIND SEATS

ALABAMA TRYING TO FIND SEATS
BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT

BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT
HAVING A SEAT CLOSE TO THEM

HAVING A SEAT CLOSE TO THEM
BECAUSE THE BUS WAS PACKED.

BECAUSE THE BUS WAS PACKED.
THERE WERE NO EMPTY SEATS BY THE

THERE WERE NO EMPTY SEATS BY THE
TIME WE REACHED THE MIDDLE PART

TIME WE REACHED THE MIDDLE PART
OF OUR JOURNEY.

OF OUR JOURNEY.
SO THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE

SO THERE WERE TIMES WHEN WE WERE
SHUFFLED WAY BACK AND IT WAS

SHUFFLED WAY BACK AND IT WAS
QUESTIONABLE IF I WOULD SIT

QUESTIONABLE IF I WOULD SIT
ACROSS FROM THEM, IN FRONT OF

ACROSS FROM THEM, IN FRONT OF
THEM OR HAVE A VIEW OF THEM AT

THEM OR HAVE A VIEW OF THEM AT
ALL AND I FOUND MYSELF TRYING TO

ALL AND I FOUND MYSELF TRYING TO
COORDINATE SEATING ARRANGEMENTS

COORDINATE SEATING ARRANGEMENTS
AND WE HAD TO LET THIS ALL PLAY

AND WE HAD TO LET THIS ALL PLAY
OUT BY MYSELF.

OUT BY MYSELF.
>> AND BEING IN WASHINGTON, DUMP

>> AND BEING IN WASHINGTON, DUMP
C., IN T

C., IN T
C, AND YOU MENTIONED -- IT WAS

C, AND YOU MENTIONED -- IT WAS
IN SPANISH, AND SHE MENTIONED

IN SPANISH, AND SHE MENTIONED
THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF

THAT WE WERE IN THE CAPITAL OF
THE UNITED STATES AND I TAUGHT

THE UNITED STATES AND I TAUGHT
IT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT THERE.

IT WAS A SURREAL MOMENT THERE.
>> PERLA SAYS THE MOTHER AND

>> PERLA SAYS THE MOTHER AND
DAUGHTER ARE DUE TO APPEAR

DAUGHTER ARE DUE TO APPEAR
BEFORE AN IMMIGRATION JUDGE NEXT

BEFORE AN IMMIGRATION JUDGE NEXT
MONTH.

MONTH.
>>> TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY

>>> TO ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STORY
NOW AND TO THE QUESTION OF

NOW AND TO THE QUESTION OF
WHETHER OR NOT BORDER SECURITY

WHETHER OR NOT BORDER SECURITY
HAS SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE

HAS SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THE
INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS.

INFLUX OF IMMIGRANTS.
HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH SILVIA

HERE'S MY INTERVIEW WITH SILVIA
LONGMEYER, AN AUTHOR AND BORDER

LONGMEYER, AN AUTHOR AND BORDER
ANALYST.

ANALYST.
>> SUPPLY AND DEMAND.

>> SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
IT'S LONG BEEN SAID THAT

IT'S LONG BEEN SAID THAT
AMERICANS WANT THE LABOR, THEY

AMERICANS WANT THE LABOR, THEY
WANT THE ILLICIT DRUGS.

WANT THE ILLICIT DRUGS.
HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PLAYING A

HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PLAYING A
ROLE IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING

ROLE IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING
HAPPENING AT THE BORDER RIGHT

HAPPENING AT THE BORDER RIGHT
NOW?

NOW?
>> IT'S A HUGE ROLE.

>> IT'S A HUGE ROLE.
ANYTHING RELATED TO THE BORDER

ANYTHING RELATED TO THE BORDER
WILL BE LARGELY POLITICIZED.

WILL BE LARGELY POLITICIZED.
WHAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK

WHAT NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO TALK
ABOUT IS HOW BOTH DEMOCRATS AND

ABOUT IS HOW BOTH DEMOCRATS AND
REPUBLICANS ARE BENEFITING FROM

REPUBLICANS ARE BENEFITING FROM
CHEAP LABOR, FROM ILLEGAL

CHEAP LABOR, FROM ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION.

IMMIGRATION.
YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT SOME

YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS THAT SOME
PEOPLE WILL SAY THESE FOLKS WILL

PEOPLE WILL SAY THESE FOLKS WILL
SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND

SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND
LATER ON IF THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE

LATER ON IF THEY BECOME ELIGIBLE
TO VOTE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU

TO VOTE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU
HAVE THE HUGE SUPPORT BASE

HAVE THE HUGE SUPPORT BASE
BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE

BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE
ONES CATERING TO THIS GROWING

ONES CATERING TO THIS GROWING
LATINO POPULATION, BUT THEN ON

LATINO POPULATION, BUT THEN ON
THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE

THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE
LARGE BUSINESSES THAT ARE

LARGE BUSINESSES THAT ARE
BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR.

BENEFITING FROM CHEAP LABOR.
YOU HAVE HUGE FARMS AND RANCHES

YOU HAVE HUGE FARMS AND RANCHES
THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM ILLEGAL

THAT ARE BENEFITING FROM ILLEGAL
LABOR AND ALL OF THOSE PLAY INTO

LABOR AND ALL OF THOSE PLAY INTO
THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT GOES

THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT GOES
TO THE GOP.

TO THE GOP.
SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT

SO THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT
GO AWAY, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT,

GO AWAY, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT,
POLITICALLY SPEAKING TO SAY

POLITICALLY SPEAKING TO SAY
THAT.

THAT.
SO YOU HAVE -- THE DEMAND IS

SO YOU HAVE -- THE DEMAND IS
COMING FROM BOTH SIDES NO MATTER

COMING FROM BOTH SIDES NO MATTER
HOW IT PLAYS OUT ON TV OR IN THE

HOW IT PLAYS OUT ON TV OR IN THE
NEWS, THAT DEMAND FOR CHEAP

NEWS, THAT DEMAND FOR CHEAP
LABOR IS THERE, AND IT'S NOT

LABOR IS THERE, AND IT'S NOT
GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON,

GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON,
AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS

AND AS LONG AS THERE ARE JOBS
HERE THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS

HERE THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS
AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING,

AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING,
WILLING TO DO OR ABLE TO DO,

WILLING TO DO OR ABLE TO DO,
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPPLY TO

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A SUPPLY TO
FILL THAT AND A LOT OF TIMES

FILL THAT AND A LOT OF TIMES
THAT SUPPLY WILL TAKE THE FORM

THAT SUPPLY WILL TAKE THE FORM
OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO DO THAT

OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO DO THAT
LABOR FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.

LABOR FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
>> HOW DOES THAT SUPPLY AND

>> HOW DOES THAT SUPPLY AND
DEMAND AFFECT BORDER SECURITY

DEMAND AFFECT BORDER SECURITY
WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S

WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S
CONTINUING TO BE THE TOPIC AS WE

CONTINUING TO BE THE TOPIC AS WE
SEE THE CHILDREN COMING ACROSS

SEE THE CHILDREN COMING ACROSS
THE BORDER?

THE BORDER?
>> SURE.

>> SURE.
ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH

ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH
THE SURGE IS THAT THERE'S NO --

THE SURGE IS THAT THERE'S NO --
TRYING TO SEGREGATE THE THREATS

TRYING TO SEGREGATE THE THREATS
FROM THE NON-THREATS IS ONE OF

FROM THE NON-THREATS IS ONE OF
THE BIG ISSUES.

THE BIG ISSUES.
YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT'S MORE

YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT'S MORE
GENERALLY AND MORE BROADLY

GENERALLY AND MORE BROADLY
SPEAK, WHAT IS BORDER SECURITY

SPEAK, WHAT IS BORDER SECURITY
AND WHAT DOES A SECURE BORDER

AND WHAT DOES A SECURE BORDER
LOOK LIKE?

LOOK LIKE?
YOU HAVE THIS 57,000 WAS THE

YOU HAVE THIS 57,000 WAS THE
LATEST COUNT OF UNACCOMPANIED

LATEST COUNT OF UNACCOMPANIED
MINORS OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY

MINORS OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY
UNITS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER

UNITS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER
AND THAT'S PLACING A HUGE STRAIN

AND THAT'S PLACING A HUGE STRAIN
ON SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT ARE THEY

ON SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT ARE THEY
REALLY A THREAT?

REALLY A THREAT?
THAT IS KIND OF AN

THAT IS KIND OF AN
ADMINISTRATION PROBLEM FOR THE

ADMINISTRATION PROBLEM FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH, BUT

ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH, BUT
IT'S AT A SECURITY ISSUE.

IT'S AT A SECURITY ISSUE.
IT HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT SO

IT HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT SO
MANY PEOPLE CAN COME ACROSS AND

MANY PEOPLE CAN COME ACROSS AND
WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING

WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM COMING
AND THEN AGAIN THE REAL SECURITY

AND THEN AGAIN THE REAL SECURITY
ISSUE IS WHILE THESE FOLKS ARE

ISSUE IS WHILE THESE FOLKS ARE
BEING DEALT WITH ON AN

BEING DEALT WITH ON AN
ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND BEING

ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL AND BEING
PROCESSED AND PLACED IN

PROCESSED AND PLACED IN
DETENTION CENTERS FOR A LITTLE

DETENTION CENTERS FOR A LITTLE
WHILE, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT

WHILE, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT
THE ROLL BEAL BAD GUYS AND PEOP

THE ROLL BEAL BAD GUYS AND PEOP
RELATED TO HEZBOLLAH OR OTHER

RELATED TO HEZBOLLAH OR OTHER
TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND WHO

TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND WHO
IS TENDING TO THEM WHILE THE

IS TENDING TO THEM WHILE THE
AGENTS ARE BEING PULLED OFF THE

AGENTS ARE BEING PULLED OFF THE
LINE TO DEAL WITH AN

LINE TO DEAL WITH AN
ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THAT CAN BE

ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUE THAT CAN BE
DEALT WITH AT A LEGISLATIVE

DEALT WITH AT A LEGISLATIVE
LEVEL.

LEVEL.
IN MY MIND THAT'S HOW IT'S

IN MY MIND THAT'S HOW IT'S
AFFECTING BORDER SECURITY THAT

AFFECTING BORDER SECURITY THAT
IT IS BEING BOGGED DOWN BECAUSE

IT IS BEING BOGGED DOWN BECAUSE
IT IS NOT BEING HANDLED AT THE

IT IS NOT BEING HANDLED AT THE
ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, COM

ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, COM
PREHUNDREDSIVE REFORM OR

PREHUNDREDSIVE REFORM OR
SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT'S

SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT'S
WHERE IT COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT

WHERE IT COMES IN THAT WE'RE NOT
TENDING WITH THE BAD GUYS WHILE

TENDING WITH THE BAD GUYS WHILE
WE'RE DEALING WITH THE

WE'RE DEALING WITH THE
LEGISLATIVE BACKLOG AND

LEGISLATIVE BACKLOG AND
INABILITY TO ACT.

INABILITY TO ACT.
>> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT SOME

>> ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT SOME
OF THESE CHILDREN MAY, IN FACT,

OF THESE CHILDREN MAY, IN FACT,
BE MEMBERS OF THESE GANGS FROM

BE MEMBERS OF THESE GANGS FROM
CENTRAL AMERICA?

CENTRAL AMERICA?
>> WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, I

>> WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR, I
THINK MAYBE A DOZEN OR SO -- A

THINK MAYBE A DOZEN OR SO -- A
COUPLE DOZEN HAVE BEEN

COUPLE DOZEN HAVE BEEN
IDENTIFIED BY THEIR TATTOOS AND

IDENTIFIED BY THEIR TATTOOS AND
EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S, I THINK,

EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S, I THINK,
TO BE EXPECTED, BUT OVERALL, AT

TO BE EXPECTED, BUT OVERALL, AT
LEAST THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN

LEAST THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN
THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE DOZEN OUT

THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE DOZEN OUT
OF THE 57,000 THAT HAVE BEEN

OF THE 57,000 THAT HAVE BEEN
APPREHENDED SO IT MAKES GOOD

APPREHENDED SO IT MAKES GOOD
HEADLINES AND OF COURSE, IT'S

HEADLINES AND OF COURSE, IT'S
ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE

ALWAYS A CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE
GANG MEMBERS COMING OVER AND

GANG MEMBERS COMING OVER AND
THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT

THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT
RECRUITING ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN

RECRUITING ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN
HAPPENING AT DETENTION

HAPPENING AT DETENTION
FACILITIES AND THAT WILL HAPPEN

FACILITIES AND THAT WILL HAPPEN
AND SOME GRAFFITI THAT HAS BEEN

AND SOME GRAFFITI THAT HAS BEEN
FOUND IN THE BATHROOMS AND SUCH

FOUND IN THE BATHROOMS AND SUCH
IN THE DETENTION FACILITIES AND

IN THE DETENTION FACILITIES AND
IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN AND THESE

IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN AND THESE
ARE NOT THE ROUTES THAT GANG

ARE NOT THE ROUTES THAT GANG
MEMBERS TRADITIONALLY TAKE TO

MEMBERS TRADITIONALLY TAKE TO
COME INTO THE UNITED STATES.

COME INTO THE UNITED STATES.
THEY DON'T NEED TO INSERT

THEY DON'T NEED TO INSERT
THEMSELVES WITH THESE KIDS AND

THEMSELVES WITH THESE KIDS AND
THESE FAMILIES.

THESE FAMILIES.
THEY'RE GETTING IN AND OUT.

THEY'RE GETTING IN AND OUT.
A LOT OF THEM HAVE DUAL

A LOT OF THEM HAVE DUAL
CITIZENSHIP AND THEY DON'T HAVE

CITIZENSHIP AND THEY DON'T HAVE
AN ARREST RECORD JUST YET AT

AN ARREST RECORD JUST YET AT
LEAST NOT HERE IN THE UNITED

LEAST NOT HERE IN THE UNITED
STATES SO THEY CAN COME AND GO

STATES SO THEY CAN COME AND GO
IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BORDER

IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BORDER
WITHOUT HAVING TO GET INVOLVED

WITHOUT HAVING TO GET INVOLVED
IN THIS WHOLE MESS.

IN THIS WHOLE MESS.
SO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT

SO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT
GANG MEMBERS COMING HERE FROM

GANG MEMBERS COMING HERE FROM
CENTRAL AMERICA AND AS FOR AS

CENTRAL AMERICA AND AS FOR AS
THE CONTEXT OF THE CRISIS THAT'S

THE CONTEXT OF THE CRISIS THAT'S
GOING ON IN SOUTH TECHNOLOGY

GOING ON IN SOUTH TECHNOLOGY
RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S NOT AS

RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S NOT AS
MUCH OF A CONCERN AS IT SHOULD

MUCH OF A CONCERN AS IT SHOULD
BE ELSEWHERE.

BE ELSEWHERE.
>> IN TEXAS, THE GOVERNOR WANTS

>> IN TEXAS, THE GOVERNOR WANTS
TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD IN

TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD IN
THE BORDER.

THE BORDER.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS

THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS
VERY ISSUE UNFOLD AND SAYING

VERY ISSUE UNFOLD AND SAYING
IT'S NOT GETTING PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT GETTING PEOPLE.
THESE PEOPLE ARE SURRENDERING,

THESE PEOPLE ARE SURRENDERING,
WHY SEND THE GUARD TO THE

WHY SEND THE GUARD TO THE
BORDER?

BORDER?
>> THERE IS A HISTORY OF SENDING

>> THERE IS A HISTORY OF SENDING
GUARD TO THE SOUTHWEST BORDER

GUARD TO THE SOUTHWEST BORDER
AND THIS WAS IN 2006-2008 AND

AND THIS WAS IN 2006-2008 AND
THERE WERE ROUGHLY 6,000 WERE AT

THERE WERE ROUGHLY 6,000 WERE AT
THE PEAK.

THE PEAK.
6,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS THAT

6,000 NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS THAT
WERE SENT DOWN AND IT WAS VERY

WERE SENT DOWN AND IT WAS VERY
EFFECTIVE.

EFFECTIVE.
WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T

WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T
UNDERSTAND IS THAT NATIONAL

UNDERSTAND IS THAT NATIONAL
GUARD TROOPS CANNOT ENFORCE

GUARD TROOPS CANNOT ENFORCE
CIVILIAN LAW.

CIVILIAN LAW.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ARREST

THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ARREST
ANYBODY, APPREHEND ANYBODY.

ANYBODY, APPREHEND ANYBODY.
THEY ACT AS EXTRA EYES AND EARS.

THEY ACT AS EXTRA EYES AND EARS.
THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF OTHER

THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF OTHER
JOBS AS WELL AND THEY CAN BE

JOBS AS WELL AND THEY CAN BE
VERY HELPFUL, BUT IF THEY CATCH

VERY HELPFUL, BUT IF THEY CATCH
ANYBODY OR SEE ANYBODY THEY HAVE

ANYBODY OR SEE ANYBODY THEY HAVE
TO TURN THEM OVER TO BORDER

TO TURN THEM OVER TO BORDER
PATROL ESPECIALLY THE MINORS AND

PATROL ESPECIALLY THE MINORS AND
THE FAMILIES THAT ARE TURNING

THE FAMILIES THAT ARE TURNING
THEMSELVES IN AND SAYING HEY,

THEMSELVES IN AND SAYING HEY,
WE'RE HERE, PROCESS ME AND GIVE

WE'RE HERE, PROCESS ME AND GIVE
ME MY PERMISO.

ME MY PERMISO.
SO IF THEY START TURNING

SO IF THEY START TURNING
THEMSELVES INTO BORDER PATROL

THEMSELVES INTO BORDER PATROL
AGENTS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO

AGENTS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN.

HAPPEN.
AND IF THEY TURN THEMSELVES INTO

AND IF THEY TURN THEMSELVES INTO
SOLDIERS, THEY'LL HAND THEM OVER

SOLDIERS, THEY'LL HAND THEM OVER
FOR THE SAME THING.

FOR THE SAME THING.
IT'S JUST FOR SHOW AND I THINK

IT'S JUST FOR SHOW AND I THINK
IT'S A LOT OF POLITICAL

IT'S A LOT OF POLITICAL
POSTURING AND IF THAT'S WHAT

POSTURING AND IF THAT'S WHAT
TECHNOLOGY FEELS THEY NEED TO DO

TECHNOLOGY FEELS THEY NEED TO DO
TO MAKE THE CONSTITUENTS HAPPY

TO MAKE THE CONSTITUENTS HAPPY
AND FEEL MORE SECURE, I GET

AND FEEL MORE SECURE, I GET
THAT, BUT AS FAR AS A PRACTICAL

THAT, BUT AS FAR AS A PRACTICAL
SOLUTION, NOT EVEN CLOSE.

SOLUTION, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
>> AND JOINING ME NOW WITH THE

>> AND JOINING ME NOW WITH THE
LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IS FERNANDA,

LATEST DEVELOPMENTS IS FERNANDA,
CHAFF RIA, A REPORTER WITH

CHAFF RIA, A REPORTER WITH
ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA.

ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA.
LET'S START WITH THE NUMBER OF

LET'S START WITH THE NUMBER OF
CHILDREN, HERE IN NOGALES, IN

CHILDREN, HERE IN NOGALES, IN
SOUTHERN ARIZONA IT'S DWINDLED

SOUTHERN ARIZONA IT'S DWINDLED
QUITE A BIT.

QUITE A BIT.
>> WHEN I TOURED THE FACILITY IN

>> WHEN I TOURED THE FACILITY IN
A LITTLE OVER A MONTH NOW, THERE

A LITTLE OVER A MONTH NOW, THERE
WERE ABOUT A THOUSAND CHILDREN.

WERE ABOUT A THOUSAND CHILDREN.
AS OF EARLIER THIS WEEK THERE

AS OF EARLIER THIS WEEK THERE
WERE LESS THAN TEN.

WERE LESS THAN TEN.
EVEN BEFORE THAT WE STOPPED

EVEN BEFORE THAT WE STOPPED
SEEING THE CHILDREN BASICALLY

SEEING THE CHILDREN BASICALLY
BUSSED OVER HERE, FLOWN OVER

BUSSED OVER HERE, FLOWN OVER
HERE FROM TEXAS QUITE A FEW

HERE FROM TEXAS QUITE A FEW
YEARS AGO SO THE TEXAS INFLUX

YEARS AGO SO THE TEXAS INFLUX
STOPPED A LITTLE BIT AGO AND NOW

STOPPED A LITTLE BIT AGO AND NOW
THE NUMBER IN GENERAL OF

THE NUMBER IN GENERAL OF
UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN

UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN
APPREHENDED IN THE TUCSON SECTOR

APPREHENDED IN THE TUCSON SECTOR
IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND BORDER

IS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND BORDER
PATROL OFFICIALS TELL ME THERE'S

PATROL OFFICIALS TELL ME THERE'S
ABOUT LESS THAN TEN KIDS IN

ABOUT LESS THAN TEN KIDS IN
THERE AND THEN AGAIN THERE COULD

THERE AND THEN AGAIN THERE COULD
HAVE BEEN OTHER KIDS DROPPED OFF

HAVE BEEN OTHER KIDS DROPPED OFF
AT THE PROCESSING FACILITY THIS

AT THE PROCESSING FACILITY THIS
MORNING OR WILL BE TAKEN THERE

MORNING OR WILL BE TAKEN THERE
TOMORROW.

TOMORROW.
SO --

SO --
>> WHAT LED TO THAT DECREASE IN

>> WHAT LED TO THAT DECREASE IN
NUMBERS SUDDENLY?

NUMBERS SUDDENLY?
IS IT IT BECAUSE WORD WAS

IS IT IT BECAUSE WORD WAS
STARTING TO SPREAD?

STARTING TO SPREAD?
>> IT'S DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT

>> IT'S DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT
WHAT EXACTLY -- DID THAT, BUT

WHAT EXACTLY -- DID THAT, BUT
THERE WAS THIS WAVE THAT

THERE WAS THIS WAVE THAT
HAPPENED IN TEXAS, SO WE HAVE TO

HAPPENED IN TEXAS, SO WE HAVE TO
REMEMBER THAT AS FAR AS TUCSON

REMEMBER THAT AS FAR AS TUCSON
GOES, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE

GOES, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE
UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN CROSS

UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN CROSS
ILLEGALLY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT

ILLEGALLY ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT
WHAT WE WERE SEEING A COUPLE OF

WHAT WE WERE SEEING A COUPLE OF
MONTHS BACK WITH WHAT WAS

MONTHS BACK WITH WHAT WAS
HAPPENING IN TEXAS AND THAT WAS

HAPPENING IN TEXAS AND THAT WAS
THE WAY THAT WAS COMING UP.

THE WAY THAT WAS COMING UP.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHETHER

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHETHER
THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A

THAT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A
MONTH OR SO.

MONTH OR SO.
>> OKAY.

>> OKAY.
SO THOSE CHILDREN WHO WERE HERE.

SO THOSE CHILDREN WHO WERE HERE.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
THEY'RE NO LONGER UNDER DHS.

THEY'RE NO LONGER UNDER DHS.
THEY WERE IN HEALTH AND HUMAN

THEY WERE IN HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY

SERVICES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY
STILL AT THIS POINT?

STILL AT THIS POINT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.
SO THE CHILDREN THAT WE SAW, THE

SO THE CHILDREN THAT WE SAW, THE
THOUSANDS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT

THOUSANDS THAT CAME THROUGH THAT
NOGALES PROCESSING FACILITY WERE

NOGALES PROCESSING FACILITY WERE
IN THE CUSTODY OF THE DEPARTMENT

IN THE CUSTODY OF THE DEPARTMENT
OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AS YOU

OF HOMELAND SECURITY, AS YOU
SAID.

SAID.
AFTER THEY LEAVE THEIR CUSTODY

AFTER THEY LEAVE THEIR CUSTODY
THEY GO TO HEALTH AND HUMAN

THEY GO TO HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES AND THE OFFICE OF

SERVICES AND THE OFFICE OF
REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT.

REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT.
WE GOT NUMBERS EARLIER THIS WEEK

WE GOT NUMBERS EARLIER THIS WEEK
FROM THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE

FROM THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE
RESETTLEMENT THAT SAID ABOUT

RESETTLEMENT THAT SAID ABOUT
30,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN

30,000 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN
ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEIR

ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEIR
CUSTODY AND THEY HAVE NOW BEEN

CUSTODY AND THEY HAVE NOW BEEN
RELEASED TO WHAT THEY CALL

RELEASED TO WHAT THEY CALL
QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SPONSORS.

QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SPONSORS.
SO THESE SPONSORS COULD BE A

SO THESE SPONSORS COULD BE A
TRUE SPONSOR NOT RELATED TO THE

TRUE SPONSOR NOT RELATED TO THE
CHILD, BUT WHO IS SPONSORING THE

CHILD, BUT WHO IS SPONSORING THE
TEEN OR YOUNG CHILD OR IT COULD

TEEN OR YOUNG CHILD OR IT COULD
BE A FAMILY MEMBER.

BE A FAMILY MEMBER.
IT COULD BE A PARENT.

IT COULD BE A PARENT.
SO WE WERE TALKING AND IF YOU

SO WE WERE TALKING AND IF YOU
WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR

WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOR
A SECOND, WE HAD 52,000 AND

A SECOND, WE HAD 52,000 AND
CLOSE TO 60,000 UNACCOMPANIED

CLOSE TO 60,000 UNACCOMPANIED
CHILDREN.

CHILDREN.
ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE NO LONGER

ABOUT HALF OF THEM ARE NO LONGER
IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
CUSTODY.

CUSTODY.
THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO

THEY HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO
PEOPLE AND THAT IS ANYWHERE

PEOPLE AND THAT IS ANYWHERE
ACROSS THE U.S.

ACROSS THE U.S.
IN ARIZONA, 186 HAVE BEEN

IN ARIZONA, 186 HAVE BEEN
RELEASED TO SPONSORS.

RELEASED TO SPONSORS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN

TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN IN
THE TUCSON SHELTER BECAUSE THEY

THE TUCSON SHELTER BECAUSE THEY
ARE STILL IN THE CUSTODY OF

ARE STILL IN THE CUSTODY OF
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.

HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
SO THE CHILDREN ARE EVERYWHERE

SO THE CHILDREN ARE EVERYWHERE
ESSENTIALLY.

ESSENTIALLY.
THE CHILDREN THAT YOU AND I SAW

THE CHILDREN THAT YOU AND I SAW
AT THE NOGALES WAREHOUSE COULD

AT THE NOGALES WAREHOUSE COULD
BE IN MAINE, COULD BE IN THE

BE IN MAINE, COULD BE IN THE
TUCSON SHELTER OR COULD BE AT

TUCSON SHELTER OR COULD BE AT
HOME WITH A PARENT HERE IN THE

HOME WITH A PARENT HERE IN THE
U.S.

U.S.
>> AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE

>> AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE
CHILDREN UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF

CHILDREN UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF
HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN

HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES IN
TEMPORARY HOME SHELTERS.

TEMPORARY HOME SHELTERS.
>> YES.

>> YES.
>> YOU DID SOME WORK HERE AT

>> YOU DID SOME WORK HERE AT
ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA ON THE

ARIZONA PUBLIC MEDIA ON THE
RADIO SIDE OF THINGS AND TALKING

RADIO SIDE OF THINGS AND TALKING
ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY RESPONSE

ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY RESPONSE
AND HOW IT'S REAL WILLY HELPED

AND HOW IT'S REAL WILLY HELPED
FOSTER SOME OF THEIR LIFESTYLE

FOSTER SOME OF THEIR LIFESTYLE
HERE SINCE THEY'VE ARRIVED.

HERE SINCE THEY'VE ARRIVED.
>> YES, PARTICULARLY, I FOCUS ON

>> YES, PARTICULARLY, I FOCUS ON
THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT

THE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE AT
THE GREYHOUND STATION AS WE'VE

THE GREYHOUND STATION AS WE'VE
BEEN REPORTING.

BEEN REPORTING.
THOUSANDS BY NOW OF CENTRAL

THOUSANDS BY NOW OF CENTRAL
AMERICAN WOMEN, MOST OF THEM

AMERICAN WOMEN, MOST OF THEM
FROM GUATEMALA THAT ARRIVE WITH

FROM GUATEMALA THAT ARRIVE WITH
THEIR CHILDREN AND ARE

THEIR CHILDREN AND ARE
APPREHENDED CROSSING THE BORDER

APPREHENDED CROSSING THE BORDER
ILLEGALLY WITH THEIR CHILDREN,

ILLEGALLY WITH THEIR CHILDREN,
SOMETIMES INFANTS AND SOME OF

SOMETIMES INFANTS AND SOME OF
THEM ARE PREGNANT AND THEY'RE

THEM ARE PREGNANT AND THEY'RE
TAKEN AND PROCESSED BY BORDER

TAKEN AND PROCESSED BY BORDER
PATROL AND THEN THEY'RE DROPPED

PATROL AND THEN THEY'RE DROPPED
OFF AT THE GREYHOUND STATION IN

OFF AT THE GREYHOUND STATION IN
TUCSON AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE

TUCSON AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE
LAW SAYS THEY CANNOT DEPORT THEM

LAW SAYS THEY CANNOT DEPORT THEM
RIGHT AWAY AND THEY DROP THEM

RIGHT AWAY AND THEY DROP THEM
OFF IN THE GREYHOUND STATION AND

OFF IN THE GREYHOUND STATION AND
THE STORY I DID THIS WEEK ON

THE STORY I DID THIS WEEK ON
RADIO FOCUS, POLITICS ASIDE,

RADIO FOCUS, POLITICS ASIDE,
POLICY ASIDE WHAT IS THE TUCSON

POLICY ASIDE WHAT IS THE TUCSON
COMMUNITY DOING TO HELP THESE

COMMUNITY DOING TO HELP THESE
WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I SPOKE

WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND I SPOKE
WITH THE MAN WHO HAS -- HE AND

WITH THE MAN WHO HAS -- HE AND
HIS PARTNER HAVE TAKEN IN MORE

HIS PARTNER HAVE TAKEN IN MORE
THAN 45 WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR

THAN 45 WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR
THE NIGHT.

THE NIGHT.
SO WHEN THE BUSSES ARE NOT

SO WHEN THE BUSSES ARE NOT
LEAVING THAT DAY FOR THESE WOMEN

LEAVING THAT DAY FOR THESE WOMEN
TO GO TO PLACES LIKE TENNESSEE,

TO GO TO PLACES LIKE TENNESSEE,
FLORIDA, DELAWARE AS WE HEARD

FLORIDA, DELAWARE AS WE HEARD
FROM PERLA EARLIER TODAY OR

FROM PERLA EARLIER TODAY OR
EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THESE WOMEN

EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THESE WOMEN
AND CHILDREN NEED A PLACE TO

AND CHILDREN NEED A PLACE TO
SLEEP.

SLEEP.
SO THERE ARE TUCSONIANS OPENING

SO THERE ARE TUCSONIANS OPENING
THEIR DOORS TO COMPLETE

THEIR DOORS TO COMPLETE
STRANGERS, GIVING THEM A PLACE

STRANGERS, GIVING THEM A PLACE
TO SLEEP, A HOT MEAL AND ALLOW

TO SLEEP, A HOT MEAL AND ALLOW
THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND SOME

THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND SOME
TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT REALLY DOES

TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT REALLY DOES
TO SOMEBODY, TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN

TO SOMEBODY, TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN
YOURSELF PHYSICALLY AND ALSO

YOURSELF PHYSICALLY AND ALSO
EMOTIONALLY TO GIVE YOU A BREAK

EMOTIONALLY TO GIVE YOU A BREAK
FROM -- THESE ARE WOMEN AND

FROM -- THESE ARE WOMEN AND
CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN

CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN
TRAVELING FOR WEEKS, THOUSANDS

TRAVELING FOR WEEKS, THOUSANDS
OF MILES.

OF MILES.
SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY IS

SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY IS
STEPPING UP.

STEPPING UP.
CATHOLIC COMMUNITY SERVICES IS

CATHOLIC COMMUNITY SERVICES IS
NOW THE LEAD ORGANIZATION TAKING

NOW THE LEAD ORGANIZATION TAKING
IN THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT AND THEY

IN THE VOLUNTEER EFFORT AND THEY
TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE

TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE
PEOPLE SHOWING UP WITH THEIR

PEOPLE SHOWING UP WITH THEIR
PICKUP TRUCKS FULL OF DONATIONS,

PICKUP TRUCKS FULL OF DONATIONS,
DIAPERS, BABY CLOTHES AND

DIAPERS, BABY CLOTHES AND
HYGIENE ITEMS FOR WOMEN.

HYGIENE ITEMS FOR WOMEN.
SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY HAS

SO THE TUCSON COMMUNITY HAS
RESPONDED IN A WAY THAT I THINK

RESPONDED IN A WAY THAT I THINK
MAYBE DIDN'T SURPRISE SOME OF US

MAYBE DIDN'T SURPRISE SOME OF US
BECAUSE TUCSONIANS DO THOSE

BECAUSE TUCSONIANS DO THOSE
THINGS.

THINGS.
>> I MEANT TO ASK YOU, DO WE

>> I MEANT TO ASK YOU, DO WE
KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE IN

KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE IN
THE PROCESS THROUGH THE NOGALES

THE PROCESS THROUGH THE NOGALES
FACILITY.

FACILITY.
>> THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND

>> THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY TOLD ME THAT A TOTAL OF

SECURITY TOLD ME THAT A TOTAL OF
5,479 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN

5,479 UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN
WENT THROUGH THAT NOGALES

WENT THROUGH THAT NOGALES
FACILITY YOU AND I VISITED.

FACILITY YOU AND I VISITED.
>> AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY, YOU SAY

>> AND ON ANY GIVEN DAY, YOU SAY
ROUGHLY ABOUT 700 OR SO.

ROUGHLY ABOUT 700 OR SO.
>> ROUGHLY 800.

>> ROUGHLY 800.
>> FERNANDA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR

>> FERNANDA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR
YOUR EXCELLENT REPORTING AND

YOUR EXCELLENT REPORTING AND
YOUR ANALYSIS.

YOUR ANALYSIS.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR YOUR

WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR YOUR
REPORTS.

REPORTS.
THAT'S OUR PROGRAM.

THAT'S OUR PROGRAM.
BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK AS

BE SURE TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK AS
WE DIVE BACK INTO THE UPCOMING

WE DIVE BACK INTO THE UPCOMING
PRIMARY.

PRIMARY.
I'LL BE MONITORING A

I'LL BE MONITORING A
GUBERNATORIAL FORUM.

GUBERNATORIAL FORUM.
FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC

FOR ALL OF US AT ARIZONA PUBLIC
MEDIA, I'M