>>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON"ARIZONA HORIZON," THE LATEST ON FACEBOOK'S OUTAGE, AS WELL AS CONCERNS OVER FACEBOOK'S ROLE IN SPREADING MISINFORMATION. ON "CRONKITE NEWS," WE'LL TAKE YOU TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WHERE WORKERS ARE TRYING TO CONTAIN AN OIL SPILL AND RESCUE WILDLIFE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, AND ON AND ON "BREAK IT DOWN," THE IMPACT OF OBESITY ON CHRONIC DISEASE AMONG MILLENNIALS. THAT'S ALL IN THE NEXT HOUR ON ARIZONA PBS. >>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON." I'M TED SIMONS. THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TODAY ORDERED GOVERNOR DUCEY TO STOP USING FEDERAL PANDEMIC FUNDING ON EDUCATION GRANTS THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS LIMITED TO SCHOOLS THAT DON'T HAVE MASK MANDATES. THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT HAD THE SAME MESSAGE REGARDING ANOTHER GRANTS THAT OF OUR VOUCHERS TO SCHOOLS THAT DO REQUIRE MASK MANDATES. DUCEY HAS 30 DAYS TO RESPOND, OTHERWISE THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT COULD DEMAND PAYBACK. >>> THE INDEPENDENT REDISTRICTING COMMISSION MET AGAIN TODAY. THE "ARIZONA MIRROR" REPORTS THAT YESTERDAY'S MEETING INCLUDED SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TOEN A INITIAL GRID MAP WITH A FOCUS ON COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST AND CITY AND COUNTY BOUNDARIES. >>> FORMER FORMER MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO TODAY, ANNOUNCED THAT HE IS RUNNING FOR MAYOR OF FOUND HILLS. ARPAIO WAS MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF FOR 24 YEARS AND HAS LIVED IN FOUNTAIN HILLS FOR OVER 20 YEARS. >>> TODAY'S COVID COUNT. THE STATE'S SEVEN-DAY DEATH RATE IS NOW 11TH HIGHEST IN THE COUNTRY. ARIZONA'S VACCINATION RATE REMAINS STAGNANT. THAT IS ABOUT 5% BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. >>> TESTIMONY TODAY FROM FACEBOOK WHISTLEBLOWER FRANCES HAUGEN. SHE TESTIFIED THAT FACEBOOK NEW THAT ITS PRODUCTS WERE NOT HEALTHY FOR PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY KIDS. >> THERE IS A BROOD SWATHE OF MATERIAL THAT SHOWINGS THAT FACEBOOK IS A HARM TO CHILDREN. THE KIDS ARE SAYING, I'M UNHAPPY WHEN I USE INSTAGRAM, BUT I CAN'T STOP. >> AND SHE USED THE TERM MORAL BANKRUPTCY. >> THEY FEEL TRAPPED, RIGHT? LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE COME FORWARD IF THEY HAD SOLUTIONS. THEY NEED TO ADMIT THAT THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG AND THEY NEED HELP TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. >>> TODAY'S FACEBOOK TESTIMONY OCCURRED A DAY AFTER FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, AND WHATSAPP ALL EXPERIENCED A SHUTDOWN. TO LEARN MORE, WITH WE SPOKE WITH VICTOR BENJAMIN, FROM ASU'S W.P. CAREY SCHOOL OF BUSINESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, AND FOR JOINING US ON "ARIZONA HORIZON." WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED YESTERDAY AS BEST WE KNOW? >> OKAY. THE ASSUMED THOUGHT OF WHAT HAPPENED IS FACEBOOK'S DNS SERVERS WERE UNAVAILABLE, OR WENT DOWN FOR SOMEONE REASON. AND THAT STANDS FOR A DOMAIN NAME SERVICE, SO THAT MEANS WHEN YOU GO TO YOUR COMPUTER AND TYPE WWW.FACEBOOK.COM, YOUR COMPUTER TRIES TO SOLVE THAT TO A SEQUENCE OF NUMBERS TO COMMUNICATE FROM THEM. THAT SYSTEM SEEMED TO HAVE GONE DOWN, AND BECAUSE OF THE WORK AT HOME ARRANGEMENT, THE PEOPLE WHO COULD FIX IT COULD NOT FIX THE SITE. SO THERE WAS A BIT OF A HICCUP IN TERMS OF GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE THERE TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE, AND THUS EVERYONE WAS HAVING LIMITATIONS WITH CONTACTING FACEBOOK.COM, CONTACT CONNECTING TO THOSE SERVERS, AND THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO RESOLVE IT IN TIME. >> SO A HICCUP AS OPPOSED TO A HACK? >> THAT'S THE EARLY SPECULATION. LIKELY A HICCUP, AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO RESOLVE IT QUICKLY. >> AND THIS REALLY PROVED HOW INDEPENDENT SO MANY PEOPLE ARE ON FACEBOOK. I MEAN IT SURPRISES -- IT SURPRISED ME -- I'M NOT A BIG FACEBOOK GUY. BUT YOU SOME OF THESE COUNTRIES BASICALLY SHUTDOWN. >> YEAH, I THINK THE PANDEMIC AND EVENTS SUCH AS WHAT HAPPENED AT FACEBOOK YESTERDAY ARE REALLY CALLING INTO QUESTION ON HOW ORGANIZATIONS AND GOVERNMENTS APPLY CONTINUITY. IF WE'RE SO RELIANT ON INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT IS SUDDENLY MADE UNAVAILABLE OR TAKEN AWAY FROM US, WHAT DO WE DO? AND I THINK WE'RE FINDING A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS DON'T HAVE A BACKUP PLAN, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR THESE UNFORESEEN EVENTS. >> WE MENTIONED COUNTRIES, PRIVATE BUSINESSES. I HAD NO IDEA THAT FACEBOOK WAS IN SO MUCH ON ALL OF THIS. >> YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING HOW IT HAS BECOME A REPLACEMENT FOR MORE TRADITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES OUT THERE, SO WHEN -- WHEN SOMETHING SO CENTRALIZED WHERE EVERYONE IS RELYING ON IT GOES DOWN, IT TAKES DOWN A BETTER PART OF SOCIETY. >> IT IS INTERESTING THIS HAPPENED A DAY BEFORE CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY OF THE WHISTLEBLOWER, THE DAY AFTER SHE APPEARED ON "60 MINUTES", YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT THIS WHISTLEBLOWER HAS BEEN SAYING OUT THERE. >> YEAH, I THINK THERE IS SOME CONTROVERSIAL CONTENT ON THAT, THAT CAN CAUSE DISCORD, AND THAT IS WHAT GETS USERS TO SPENDING EVEN MORE TIME ON FACEBOOK. IF YOU WENT THERE AND EVERYTHING WAS ROSY, YOU MIGHT FEEL GOOD, BUT THEN DISENGAGE, QUICKLY, WHEREAS IF IT GETS YOU GOING, YOU MIGHT SPEND MORE TIME ON THE PLATFORM. SO IN GENERAL, THESE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS ARE NOT ALWAYS ICENTIVISED TO MODERATE THEIR CON TENT AND GET RID OF THE BAD STUFF, BECAUSE IT CAUSES INCREASED USER ENGAGEMENT, AND THAT DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTES TO THE VALUE PROPOSITION OF THE PRODUCT. THEY CAN SAY LOOK AT HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS WE HAVE, AND LONG THEY STAY ON OUR CONTENT. AND I THINK IT DOES CALL INTO QUESTION, IS IT IN THE INTEREST OF THESE PLATFORMS TO REALLY CLEAN UP THAT CONTENT, AND IF IT'S NOT, HOW DO WE GET THEM TO DO SO FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SOCIETY. >> AND THEY KNOW IT IS HAPPENING, AND THEY ARE HIDING EVIDENCE THAT IT IS HAPPENING, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? >> YES, EXACTLY. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO TO TRY TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM, POSSIBLY. FOR EXAMPLE, FACEBOOK COULD RELEASE MORE METADATA ON WHAT THEY ARE FEEDING TO YOU. WHEN YOU GO TO YOUR CONTENT, YOU HAVE TO REALLY ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AM I LOOKING AT THE OVERALL CONVERSATION? IS THERE A BIAS IN WHAT THE ALGORITHM IS SHOWING ME? FURTHERMORE, HOW ABOUT IF A HASHTAG BECAME POPULAR OVERNIGHT. WAS IT ORGANIC GROWTH, OR INORGANIC, WHERE THOUSANDS OF USERS USED THE SAME HASHTAG WITHIN A 10-MINUTE TIME SPAN, AND ALL OF THE IP ADDRESSES BELONG TO PEOPLE IN RUSSIA OR SOMETHING. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE PLATFORM CAN MAKE AVAILABLE, AND THAT WOULD HELP USERS BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CONTENT OF THE INFORMATION WE'RE VIEWING. >> VICTOR BENJAMIN THANK YOU SO MUCH, WE APPRECIATE. >> THANK >>> UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," A CONVERSATION WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ASU'S BIODESIGN INSTITUTE. >>> ASU'S BIODESIGN INSTITUTE IS APPROACHING THE MILLION MARK IN COVID-19 TESTS. DR. JOSH LABAER IS THE BIODESIGN INSTITUTES'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. WE SPOKE WITH HIM EARLIER TODAY. DR. JOSH LABAER, GOOD TO SEE YOU -- GOOD TO SEE YOU IN PERSON. >> IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK. >> WE HAVE TALKED SO MUCH TO YOU, AND WITH YOU, AND ABOUT YOU, GOOD TO HAVE YOU IN STUDIO. >> IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. >> THIS SALIVA TEST, YOU ARE AT OR NEAR THE 1 MILLION MARK. >> YEAH, WE WILL PROBABLY REACH A MILLION THIS WEEK. THIS ALL BEGAN BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2020, FROM A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE PRESIDENT, WHERE HE SAID HOW ARE WE GOING TO TEST ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ON OUR CAMPUS. SO WE MET, THE SEVEN OF US IN A ROOM, AND THOUGHT LET'S GIVE THIS A TRY, AND PRETTY SOON THAT GROUP OF SEVEN STARTED MEETING DAILY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND IT GROW TO 150 PEOPLE. WE REALIZED THERE WAS NO WAY TO GET THE NUMBERS WE NEEDED TO GET TO WITH NASAL SWABS. SO WE SWITCHED TO SALIVA, AND BY END OF MAY AND EARLY JUNE WE WERE SWITCHING OVER. >> DID YOU KNOW IT WOULD HAPPEN THAT FAST? >> WE KNEW WE HAD TO. IT WAS CLEAR WE WERE IN A SURGE, AND WE THOUGHT, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO WAIT. >> WAS THIS THE KIND OF THING THE BIODESIGN OUGHT TO WAS DESIGNED TO DO? >> IT IS. >> I WAS WONDERING IF WHAT YOU WERE DOING BEFORE HAD TO BE MOVED TO THE BACK BURNER TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. >> TO SOME EXTENT, YES. WE ALWAYS CONTINUED DOING RESEARCH THROUGHOUT THAT TIME, BUT WE FOCUSSED THE TEAMS ON THIS. >> HAS DEVELOPING THIS OPENED UP FOR OTHER RESEARCH. >> YEAH, WE WON A CONTRACT FROM THE NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTION TO LOOK AT SURROLLGY EXAMS. >> THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR. THE IMPORTANCE OF TESTING JUST IN GENERAL? >> CERTAINLY IN THE BEGINNING, IT WAS THE ONLY TOOL WE HAD FOR IDENTIFYING PEOPLE WHO ARE ILL. PEOPLE ARE SPREADING THIS VIRUS BEFORE THEY KNOW THEY ARE SICK, SO THE ONLY WAY TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE WAS TO DO A TEST, AND YOU HAVE TO DO THAT QUICKLY. WE HAVE NEVER GONE OVER 48 HOURS. WE HAVE ALWAYS AIMED TO GET CLOSER TO A DAY, AND EVEN NOW, THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT IF YOU ARE ILL IS TO GET A TEST. >> WHERE ARE WE NOW? >> IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED NOW. THIS DELTA VARIANT IS SO TRANSMISSIBLE, THAT EVEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED CAN SOMETIMES GET ILL, AND PEOPLE WHO WERE PREVIOUSLY INFECTED CAN SOMETIMES GET ILL. THAT BEING SAID, THE VACCINE CERTAINLY HELPS KEEP YOU OUT OF THE HOSPITAL, AND EVEN KEEP YOU FROM GETTING INFECTED. WE'RE DOING A STUDY RIGHT NOW AT ASU, WE HAVE HAD A THOUSAND VOLUNTEERS. AND WE'LL FIND OUT ANSWERS PRETTY SOON, BUT THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE AROUND WHO HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED, WHO HAVE NOT BEEN INFECTED AND THEY ARE FUEL FOR THIS VIRUS FIRE. >> YEAH, IN EARLY 2020, DID YOU IMAGINE WE WOULD BE WHERE WE ARE NOW IN LATE 2021? >> NO, NOT AT ALL. >> HOW SO? >> EARLY 2020, THE INITIAL IMPRESSION WAS THIS WAS LIKE A FLU, MAYBE NOT AS BAD AS THE FLU. NO ONE ENVISIONED THIS WOULD BE THE KILLER THAT IT TURNED OUT TO BE, THAT WOULD SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE PLANET. >> YOU MENTIONED THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT VACCINATED AND HAVEN'T BEEN INFECTED. ARE WE PLAYING WITH FIRE OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THESE VARIANTS. >> YEAH, WE CAN GET THE NUMBER OF VIRUSES DOWN ON THE EARTH, WE WILL BE LESS LIKELY TO DEVELOP THE NEXT VARIANT. DELTA IS PRETTY BAD, BUT WHO KNOWS IF WE'LL GET A VERSION THAT IS TRANSMISSIBLE, AND AVOIDED THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. RIGHT NOW DELTA DOES NOT AVOID THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. SO WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE PROTECTED. >> LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, WHAT HAS SURPRISED YOU THE MOST THROUGHOUT THIS ORDEAL? >> I THINK OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT SURPRISED ME WAS THE LEVEL OF CHAOS WE SAW WITH THIS WHOLE VIRUS THING. I GUESS I THOUGHT PEOPLE WOULD SAY, THERE IS A VACCINE, I'LL GO GET IT, AND THERE'S A TEST, I'LL GO GET TESTED, AND WE HAVE SEEN SUCH A WIDE RANGE OF BEHAVIORS. >> YOU WONDER IF THERE IS ANOTHER PANDEMIC, IF THERE WILL BE PANDEMIC FATIGUE. >> EXACTLY. >>> CONGRATULATIONS, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING YOUR INFORMATION WITH US ON A REGULAR BASIS. >> IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE. >> THANKS, DOC. >>> THE PHOENIX SYMPHONY IS THE LARGEST PERFORMING ARTS GROUP IN THE STATE, AND THIS YEAR THEY ARE CELEBRATING THEIR 75TH ANNIVERSARY. MUSIC DIRECTOR TITO MUNOS AND TALKED TO US ABOUT GETTING THE COMPANY BACK ON THE STAGE AFTER COVID SHUTDOWN. >>> GOOD TO SEE YOU. I'M GUESSING IT IS GOOD FOR YOU TO BE SEEN. >> NO KIDDING. THIS HAS BEEN AN AMAZINGLY DIFFICULT YEAR FOR US, BUT WE'RE SO HAPPY TO BE BACK TO PLAY FOR EVERYBODY ONCE AGAIN. >> AND THIS IS THE 75TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE PHOENIX SYMPHONY. TALK MORE ABOUT THE CHALLENGES FACING YOU AND THE SYMPHONY IN THAT 74TH YEAR. >> AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, AS AN ORCHESTRA, OUR WHOLE THING IS LARGE GATHERINGS. SO LIKE EVERY ORCHESTRA IN THE WORLD, WE HAD TO PAUSE. SO WE WERE PAUSED FOR A YEAR, WHICH WAS REALLY HEART BREAKING AND HEART WRENCHING. OUR MUSICIANS WERE FURLOUGHED FOR THE YEAR, AND MANY HAD TO BE LAID OFF, AND IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT, BUT IT TOOK AN ENORMOUS EFFORT TO GET OURSELVES BACK. OUR COMMUNITY REALLY LISTENED TO US AND CAME TO OUR HELP, AND WE WERE ABLE TO COME BACK REALLY STRONGLY FOR THE 75TH YEAR. >> AND YOU LOSE CONNECTION TO THOSE YOU PERFORM FOR IN THE AUDIENCE, AND THE SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS, AND HOMELESS SHELTERS WHERE YOU PERFORM. HOW DO YOU GET THAT BACK? >> WELL, OUR INCREDIBLE TEAM, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SMALL FOR THIS PAST YEAR, THEY REALLY HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, FINDING WAYS TO CONNECT WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS, OUR EDUCATION PROGRAMS, OUR HEALTH AND WELLNESS, HOMELESS SHELTERS. THERE WERE PERIODS OF TIME WHEN OUR MUSICIANS WERE ABLE TO BE BACK WITH US, AND OUR MUSICIANS THEMSELVES ON THEIR OWN PUT TOGETHER A LOT OF PROGRAMS, CONCERTS, CONNECTIONS WITH HEALTHCARE WORKERS WITH OUR HOSPICE CENTERS, THE PLACES WE USUALLY GO TO DURING THE YEAR, THEY KEPT THAT GOING AS WELL. SO THIS IS REALLY A TEAM EFFORT TO MAINTAIN THAT CONNECTION WITH THIS COMMUNITY. >> AND HOW IS THE ORCHESTRA DOING NOW? >> WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL. WE'RE SO THANKFUL FOR ALL OF THE INCREDIBLE GIFTS WE RECEIVED DURING THIS TIME. OUR TEAM IS REALLY HYPED TO START, OUR MUSICIANS CAN'T WAIT TO GET BACK TO REHEARSAL. >> IS IT THE KIND OF THING WHERE YOU RAMP UP SLOWLY TO GET THERE, OR IS IT A LIGHT SWITCH, YOU TURN ON, AND LET'S START PLAYING? >> IT'S REALLY MORE OF A LIGHT SWITCH. WE HAD NO SEASON THIS PAST YEAR, AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE IS A FULL ROBUST SEASON. IT'S STILL OUR FULL CLASSICS, POP SPECIALS, MESSIAH CHORUS, MOVIES, YOU NAME IT. WE HAVE IT. >> I'M SEEING JAZZ, POP STANDARDS, AND OF COURSE BEETHOVEN. >> EXACTLY. WE'RE MAINTAINING WHAT WE DO BEST. WE HAVE A FULL SEASON OF AMAZING CLASSIC PROGRAMS. WE HAVE AMAZING POPS PROGRAMS. WE ARE GOING COCOA FILMS. WE HAVE MESSIAH, AND OUR CHORUS, AND IT IS REALLY A JAM-PACKED SEASON. >> WHAT KIND OF MASK REQUIREMENTS ARE IN PLACE? >> YEAH, SO OF COURSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. OUR HEALTH AND WELLNESS EVENTS WE HAVE BEEN DOING, WE KEEP HEALTH IN MIND. SO EVERYBODY ATTENDING MUST WEAR A MASK. OUR MUSICIANS CAN'T WEAR A MASK WHILE THEY PLAY, BUT OUR STAFF AND MUSICIANS WILL ALL HAVE VACCINE MANDATES AND TESTING. AND FOR OUR PATRONS, WE WILL REQUIRE A VACCINE REQUIREMENT OR A NEGATIVE TEST WITHIN 72 HOURS. >> WHAT KIND OF REACTION HAVE YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY? >> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT HAS BEEN 50/50. WE HAVE HAD A MIX -- MIX OF REACTIONS. I THINK FOR THE MOST PART PEOPLE WANTED TO BE SAFE. GENERALLY OUR COMMUNITY, OUR AUDIENCES, ARE -- YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES A LITTLE OLDER, AND THEY WANT TO BE SAFE, SO I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE QUITE POSITIVE, AND YOU ARE GOING TO UP SET SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT CLIMATE WE ARE IN, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EARN IS SAFE IN THE HALL. >> AND TITO, LAST QUESTION -- I CAN SENSE YOUR ENERGY. YOU ARE EXCITED TO BE BACK WAVING THAT BATON, AREN'T YOU? >> YOU HAVE NO IDEA. WE DON'T HAVE OUR ORCHESTRA TO -- TO LEAD. I HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY VERY LUCKY TO LEAD A FEW OTHER GROUPS DURING THIS YEAR. I ACTUALLY WENT OVERSEAS AND WAS ABLE TO DO A FEW THINGS IN EUROPE, BUT TO BE HOME, TO BE WITH MY PLAYERS AND WITH MY ORCHESTRA, IT'S REALLY EXCITING. >> MUSIC DIRECTOR TITO MUNOS, ALWAYS A PLEASURE. THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU, TED. ♪ ♪ >>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW. I'M TED SIMONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING. ♪ >>> COMING UP IN THE NEXT HALF HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS ON ARIZONA PBS, ON CRONKITE NEWS, HOW WATER CATCHMENTS ARE HELPING WILDLIFE SURVIVE THE DROUGHT, AND ON AND ON "BREAK IT DOWN," THE IMPACT OF OBESITY ON CHRONIC DISEASE AMONG MILLENNIALS.