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GUEST: Oh, it's a van Dyck.

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And in the 1800s, it hung
in a museum in Germany.

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In the early 1900s, it was
transferred to my grandmother.

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So it's been in the family for
125 years, somewhere around
there.

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APPRAISER: Give or take.

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Yeah.

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GUEST: And it's on
four parchment panels.

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APPRAISER: Mm-hmm.

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You told me your family
name was Habisch?

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GUEST: Habisch, yes.

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APPRAISER: Habisch was
the German collector.

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GUEST: That was the family
name of my grandmother.

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APPRAISER: So, what we have is a
purported drawing by Sir Anthony
van Dyck...

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GUEST: Correct.

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APPRAISER: ...who was one of the
more noted artists of the 17th
century.

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He was a prodigy in the
Netherlands in, at, at 18 years
old.

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By the 1630s, he was called to
work for the king in England.

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He sort of had reached the peak,
uh, in terms of, uh, artistry
and portraiture at the time.

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GUEST: Mm-hmm.

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APPRAISER: This is a charcoal
drawing and it appears to be an
ecclesiastical portrait,

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to me.

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It is on four sheets.

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GUEST: Right.

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APPRAISER: You can see
the dividing lines here.

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GUEST: Right.

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APPRAISER: Uh, they are joined,
and it is glued down to another
sheet of paper.

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GUEST: Mm-hmm.

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APPRAISER: Now, van Dyck was
very famous in his day.

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And one of the odd things to me
is the idea of him joining four
sheets of paper and drawing

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on it.

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That strikes me as a red flag.

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GUEST: Right, mm-hmm,
I understand.

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APPRAISER: That, that, that an
artist of his stature would do
that.

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GUEST: Yeah.

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APPRAISER: The drawing itself
has passages that are very
strong and also ones that seem

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very thick...

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GUEST: Mm-hmm.

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APPRAISER: ...and undetermined.

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And there's not the, the usual
bravura that you get with a van
Dyck sketch.

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GUEST: Hm.

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APPRAISER: The positive side is
that your family, the Habisch
family...

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GUEST: Right.

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APPRAISER: ...were
noted collectors.

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Right.

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And had built a collection
in Kassel, Germany...

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GUEST: Right.

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APPRAISER: ...during the late
1800s that was widely exhibited.

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And in 1899, over a thousand of
the works in the collection were
sold at auction...

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GUEST: Okay.

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APPRAISER: ...by the
estate in Stuttgart.

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This obviously was not.

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It continued down to
you in the family.

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GUEST: Mm-hmm, right.

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APPRAISER: It strikes me as odd
that these works would have been
shown and this potentially

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published and on
museum checklists.

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GUEST: Right.

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APPRAISER: And later scholars in
the 20th century putting
together the catalogues of

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van Dyck's works...

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GUEST: Hm.

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APPRAISER: ...would not
have known about it.

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But then again, perhaps this was
just a sketch that was missed...

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GUEST: Mm-hmm.

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APPRAISER: ...and
stayed in the family.

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Now, the big question is...
(both laugh) ...if it's
correct...

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GUEST: Right.

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APPRAISER: ...what is it worth,
if we can determine it is by
Anthony van Dyck?

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GUEST: Right.

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Right.

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APPRAISER: If we have something
that is a contemporaneous
imitator of van Dyck's, you're

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looking at a very strong
portrait this size, from the
17th century.

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We can determine perhaps who
the sitter is down the line.

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GUEST: Mm-hmm.

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APPRAISER: Maybe
even the artist.

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That would be in the $5,000 to
$10,000, perhaps even up to
$15,000,

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GUEST: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

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APPRAISER: ...price
range at auction.

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Now if, doing more
work on this...

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GUEST: Right.

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APPRAISER: ...and having it
established with authorship to
van Dyck...

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GUEST: Mm-hmm.

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APPRAISER: ...this would be a
drawing worth about $100,000 to
$150,000 at auction.

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GUEST: Wow, mm-hmm.

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APPRAISER: So it, it certainly
warrants further work.

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GUEST: It's something
regardless, yeah.

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APPRAISER: It has
promises, to me...

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GUEST: Mm-hmm.

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APPRAISER: ...based so much on
the family history, and the fact
that other van Dyck

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drawings and paintings from this
collector are in museum
collections...

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GUEST: Right.

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APPRAISER: ...and have been
accepted as works by van Dyck.

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But it just needs...

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More research.

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More scholarship, more research.

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GUEST: Yeah.

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Thank you very much, yeah.

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APPRAISER: Thank you
for bringing it in.

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GUEST: Yeah, I enjoyed it.