1 00:00:01,201 --> 00:00:04,337 GUEST: Oh, it's a van Dyck. 2 00:00:04,337 --> 00:00:09,576 And in the 1800s, it hung in a museum in Germany. 3 00:00:09,576 --> 00:00:15,815 In the early 1900s, it was transferred to my grandmother. 4 00:00:15,815 --> 00:00:18,985 So it's been in the family for 125 years, somewhere around there. 5 00:00:18,985 --> 00:00:19,753 APPRAISER: Give or take. 6 00:00:19,753 --> 00:00:21,454 Yeah. 7 00:00:21,454 --> 00:00:21,988 GUEST: And it's on four parchment panels. 8 00:00:21,988 --> 00:00:23,456 APPRAISER: Mm-hmm. 9 00:00:23,456 --> 00:00:24,391 You told me your family name was Habisch? 10 00:00:24,391 --> 00:00:25,925 GUEST: Habisch, yes. 11 00:00:25,925 --> 00:00:26,960 APPRAISER: Habisch was the German collector. 12 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,763 GUEST: That was the family name of my grandmother. 13 00:00:29,763 --> 00:00:34,134 APPRAISER: So, what we have is a purported drawing by Sir Anthony van Dyck... 14 00:00:34,134 --> 00:00:36,236 GUEST: Correct. 15 00:00:36,236 --> 00:00:39,672 APPRAISER: ...who was one of the more noted artists of the 17th century. 16 00:00:39,672 --> 00:00:44,944 He was a prodigy in the Netherlands in, at, at 18 years old. 17 00:00:44,944 --> 00:00:51,051 By the 1630s, he was called to work for the king in England. 18 00:00:51,051 --> 00:00:54,587 He sort of had reached the peak, uh, in terms of, uh, artistry and portraiture at the time. 19 00:00:54,587 --> 00:00:56,923 GUEST: Mm-hmm. 20 00:00:56,923 --> 00:00:59,692 APPRAISER: This is a charcoal drawing and it appears to be an ecclesiastical portrait, 21 00:00:59,692 --> 00:01:00,960 to me. 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,828 It is on four sheets. 23 00:01:01,828 --> 00:01:03,430 GUEST: Right. 24 00:01:03,430 --> 00:01:03,997 APPRAISER: You can see the dividing lines here. 25 00:01:03,997 --> 00:01:06,166 GUEST: Right. 26 00:01:06,166 --> 00:01:09,135 APPRAISER: Uh, they are joined, and it is glued down to another sheet of paper. 27 00:01:09,135 --> 00:01:10,837 GUEST: Mm-hmm. 28 00:01:10,837 --> 00:01:15,442 APPRAISER: Now, van Dyck was very famous in his day. 29 00:01:15,442 --> 00:01:18,878 And one of the odd things to me is the idea of him joining four sheets of paper and drawing 30 00:01:18,878 --> 00:01:20,280 on it. 31 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,514 That strikes me as a red flag. 32 00:01:21,514 --> 00:01:23,149 GUEST: Right, mm-hmm, I understand. 33 00:01:23,149 --> 00:01:23,850 APPRAISER: That, that, that an artist of his stature would do that. 34 00:01:23,850 --> 00:01:26,352 GUEST: Yeah. 35 00:01:26,352 --> 00:01:30,356 APPRAISER: The drawing itself has passages that are very strong and also ones that seem 36 00:01:30,356 --> 00:01:31,357 very thick... 37 00:01:31,357 --> 00:01:32,592 GUEST: Mm-hmm. 38 00:01:32,592 --> 00:01:34,961 APPRAISER: ...and undetermined. 39 00:01:34,961 --> 00:01:36,896 And there's not the, the usual bravura that you get with a van Dyck sketch. 40 00:01:36,896 --> 00:01:39,132 GUEST: Hm. 41 00:01:39,132 --> 00:01:41,901 APPRAISER: The positive side is that your family, the Habisch family... 42 00:01:41,901 --> 00:01:43,403 GUEST: Right. 43 00:01:43,403 --> 00:01:43,770 APPRAISER: ...were noted collectors. 44 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:45,605 Right. 45 00:01:45,605 --> 00:01:46,773 And had built a collection in Kassel, Germany... 46 00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:48,641 GUEST: Right. 47 00:01:48,641 --> 00:01:52,378 APPRAISER: ...during the late 1800s that was widely exhibited. 48 00:01:52,378 --> 00:01:57,350 And in 1899, over a thousand of the works in the collection were sold at auction... 49 00:01:57,350 --> 00:01:58,952 GUEST: Okay. 50 00:01:58,952 --> 00:01:59,819 APPRAISER: ...by the estate in Stuttgart. 51 00:01:59,819 --> 00:02:01,387 This obviously was not. 52 00:02:01,387 --> 00:02:02,288 It continued down to you in the family. 53 00:02:02,288 --> 00:02:04,557 GUEST: Mm-hmm, right. 54 00:02:04,557 --> 00:02:07,760 APPRAISER: It strikes me as odd that these works would have been shown and this potentially 55 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,229 published and on museum checklists. 56 00:02:09,229 --> 00:02:11,498 GUEST: Right. 57 00:02:11,498 --> 00:02:14,234 APPRAISER: And later scholars in the 20th century putting together the catalogues of 58 00:02:14,234 --> 00:02:15,101 van Dyck's works... 59 00:02:15,101 --> 00:02:16,736 GUEST: Hm. 60 00:02:16,736 --> 00:02:18,004 APPRAISER: ...would not have known about it. 61 00:02:18,004 --> 00:02:20,740 But then again, perhaps this was just a sketch that was missed... 62 00:02:20,740 --> 00:02:22,308 GUEST: Mm-hmm. 63 00:02:22,308 --> 00:02:23,810 APPRAISER: ...and stayed in the family. 64 00:02:23,810 --> 00:02:27,280 Now, the big question is... (both laugh) ...if it's correct... 65 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,549 GUEST: Right. 66 00:02:29,549 --> 00:02:31,985 APPRAISER: ...what is it worth, if we can determine it is by Anthony van Dyck? 67 00:02:31,985 --> 00:02:32,852 GUEST: Right. 68 00:02:32,852 --> 00:02:35,421 Right. 69 00:02:35,421 --> 00:02:38,758 APPRAISER: If we have something that is a contemporaneous imitator of van Dyck's, you're 70 00:02:38,758 --> 00:02:42,762 looking at a very strong portrait this size, from the 17th century. 71 00:02:42,762 --> 00:02:43,897 We can determine perhaps who the sitter is down the line. 72 00:02:43,897 --> 00:02:45,198 GUEST: Mm-hmm. 73 00:02:45,198 --> 00:02:46,966 APPRAISER: Maybe even the artist. 74 00:02:46,966 --> 00:02:49,235 That would be in the $5,000 to $10,000, perhaps even up to $15,000, 75 00:02:49,235 --> 00:02:50,770 GUEST: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 76 00:02:50,770 --> 00:02:53,673 APPRAISER: ...price range at auction. 77 00:02:53,673 --> 00:02:55,308 Now if, doing more work on this... 78 00:02:55,308 --> 00:02:57,510 GUEST: Right. 79 00:02:57,510 --> 00:02:59,345 APPRAISER: ...and having it established with authorship to van Dyck... 80 00:02:59,345 --> 00:03:01,681 GUEST: Mm-hmm. 81 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:03,550 APPRAISER: ...this would be a drawing worth about $100,000 to $150,000 at auction. 82 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:05,218 GUEST: Wow, mm-hmm. 83 00:03:05,218 --> 00:03:09,022 APPRAISER: So it, it certainly warrants further work. 84 00:03:09,022 --> 00:03:09,956 GUEST: It's something regardless, yeah. 85 00:03:09,956 --> 00:03:10,456 APPRAISER: It has promises, to me... 86 00:03:10,456 --> 00:03:12,792 GUEST: Mm-hmm. 87 00:03:12,792 --> 00:03:16,229 APPRAISER: ...based so much on the family history, and the fact that other van Dyck 88 00:03:16,229 --> 00:03:20,133 drawings and paintings from this collector are in museum collections... 89 00:03:20,133 --> 00:03:22,001 GUEST: Right. 90 00:03:22,001 --> 00:03:22,435 APPRAISER: ...and have been accepted as works by van Dyck. 91 00:03:22,435 --> 00:03:24,370 But it just needs... 92 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:25,605 More research. 93 00:03:25,605 --> 00:03:26,706 More scholarship, more research. 94 00:03:26,706 --> 00:03:27,941 GUEST: Yeah. 95 00:03:27,941 --> 00:03:29,442 Thank you very much, yeah. 96 00:03:29,442 --> 00:03:30,109 APPRAISER: Thank you for bringing it in. 97 00:03:30,109 --> 00:03:29,676 GUEST: Yeah, I enjoyed it.