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- [Interviewer] I'm
trying to get you to.

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- What?

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- [Interviewer]
Explain who you are.

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- Well, that, I find that
kind of a non-question.

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- [Interviewer] I know.

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- So I don't know what it means.

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- [Interviewer] Well, how
would you describe yourself?

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- I wouldn't, I wouldn't.

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- I started talking to Jerry

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about thinking of
running for governor.

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Now, Pat Brown, his
father, he said,

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"Tom, you're destroying
my son's career,

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"and you're destroying
your career."

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He said, "You'll never recover."

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- He was so new.

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He was so attractive
as a candidate

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following what we all
experienced with the Kennedys.

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- The cabinet was half
women, people of color,

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first gay judge.

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It was for the people, by the
people, and that was real.

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- We have Bernie Sanders,

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we have Elizabeth Warren
focusing on climate change,

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and that's something Jerry
Brown was talking about in 1975.

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- Ray called me and said,

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"Jerry wants you to
run his campaign."

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I said, "His campaign for what?"

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He says, "Campaign
for president."

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I said, "You're kidding."

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- Long shot?

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Well, I wouldn't say that
I've got it locked up yet.

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(crowd laughs)

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- You would just show up,

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and there was 20,000 people
in Maryland at a rally.

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And celebrities who
were flying on planes

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and being his
spokespeople everywhere.

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He was like, for
real, a rockstar.

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- I'm sitting in a holding
room, but I could see it.

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Oh God, Clinton is
really getting angry.

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I hope he doesn't hit him.

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- I've come to the idea
that you can have an idea,

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and you can be clear about
it and certain about it

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and completely wrong.

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- He went back into
the practical arena
for the second time

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and worked his way up,

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that made him this
master craftsman.

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- When Jerry was
elected the second time,

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I said, "That is fantastic."

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- Governors, you're
governing for your time

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and maybe five
years down the road,

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but he is decades down the
road, decades down the road.

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- [Interviewer] There was
never a light touch with Jerry.

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He was a disruptor
from the beginning.

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(solemn music)